Community Species Suggestions

[late swallow]

Regression analyses are where the 150 comes from, and seems the most reliable

[sharp plinth]

He is so schlong shaped

[plush nacelle]

These are extinct animals quagga and bluebuck coexisted with

[steep tulip]

I think I will stick with palaeoloxodon even if they didn't live together

More majestic to look at and more likely to come

[plush nacelle]

African palaeoloxodon. One of the EZ wishes

[steep tulip]

Tbh

Namadicus is like 1 bone and might be oversized

Getting recki wouldn't be so bad

Or the other one

I think there's 2 african species

At some point they must have overlapped with zebras

Even if not with quagga specifically

[late swallow]

I hate that you're right

[late swallow]

Would also really want to see what's his nut

Cannot think of the name

Ol shovelface

[steep tulip]

Platybelodon?

[gray wharf]

stegotetrabelodon tho

[late swallow]

Yes

[plush nacelle]

I think namadicus has decent fossil record. It is just that 1 fraud bone most people use in their reconstruction so it appears all we have is that femur

[steep tulip]

Oh I know

[shell sonnet]

the illustration takes it from subtext to text

[late swallow]

That man has chopsticks foe a face

[steep tulip]

I was referring to the giant size estimates

All the others are average sized

[hollow furnace]

Hot take but I would much prefer to get a weirder basal elephant like Platy over Paleoloxodon

[steep tulip]

I mean yeah same

[shell sonnet]

(only chose that tortoise because we have taxidermy remains as opposed to just bones)

[steep tulip]

But palaeoloxodon is cool too, especially if we can get falconeri

Tho kinda doubt it unfortunately

Not only do they have very different proportions, but also how would it work with ontogeny

Like adult falconeri is probably the size of the calf of antiquus

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-robinson-penis-thats-a-penis-himym-how-i-met-your-mother-gif-4703463

[shell sonnet]

Would personally chose Deinotherium, Platybelodon, Tetralophodon, or the more unique looking Proboscideans. Palaeoloxodon just looks rather boring actually, even with the large size

[plush nacelle]

Dwarf palaeoloxodon is the best one

[late swallow]

I never noticed the smile when he looked down before

[shell sonnet]

your subconscious thoughts perhaps

[steep tulip]

Yeah it's a pretty normal elephant

I still really like it

[late swallow]

Mouthful of a name but looks sick af tbh

[steep tulip]

Also a dwarf proboscidean could be cool

[shell sonnet]

I mean it is an elephant elephant

[late swallow]

If we were to get a canid, I would really like something that's not the dire wolf

[steep tulip]

Give me dire wolf, give me palaeoloxodon, give me quagga, give me bison (bos?) latifrons, give me teratornis

I love my normal looking animals

[shell sonnet]

Deinotherium isn't even an Elephantoid

[shell sonnet]

there's a great game for that

[late swallow]

Give Borophagus

[steep tulip]

Yall boooring

Next thing you gonna tell me is that mastodon is just a funny mammoth

[austere sparrow]

Mastodon is indeed a funny mammut

😉

[shell sonnet]

No, because mammoths are explicitly hairy whereas the evidence that mastodons are is scarce

[austere sparrow]

Wooly mammoths are explicitly hairy; we do keep reconstructing the other ones nekkid

Although realistically at worst they had the same sparsehair condition seen in modern elephants. Which I guess might not be true for Mastodons, I suppose?

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-cute-smile-happy-blush-gif-17827539

[austere sparrow]

Epicly trolled

This is my epic trolling face

:]< <

[plush nacelle]

We need basic ass croc for normal kingdom

[austere sparrow]

Normal Kingdom heck yeah

How about basic ass croc with horns? Seem good for the job

[shell sonnet]

Voay robustus or Hanyusuchus sinensis

[austere sparrow]

Voay be like: >:(

[plush nacelle]

Is cretaceous croc still normal kingdom, if it looks basic enough?

[shell sonnet]

which one

[austere sparrow]

Deinosuchus is alligator which is even more basic than croc so I'm counting it

[late swallow]

Says paleoloxodon and Aenocyon :3

[austere sparrow]

If you can find it in a golf course its extra basic

Boost to the basic stat

[shell sonnet]

so rich people

[austere sparrow]

Sorry, Alligators, Roe Deer, and White Grandfathers

[late swallow]

Don't forget the seagulls

[austere sparrow]

Ichthyornis for PK when

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Something medium in size to not stick out like albertochampsa

[late swallow]

What the hell did I return to, I took one phone call

[austere sparrow]

Normal Kingdom

We should add Barbary Lion to Panthera to have a normal lion alt

[shell sonnet]

Pelagornis sandersi

[austere sparrow]

Since they're basically extinct. More or less.

[shell sonnet]

we have that already

[austere sparrow]

We do?

[shell sonnet]

boring ass lion

[austere sparrow]

Damn. Normal lions are already ingame but only the femboy ones are allowed. Catboys for PK was true all along

[steep tulip]

Epic ass lion

[late swallow]

Jocat stays winning

[shell sonnet]

still the worst addition to the game

[austere sparrow]

Jocat for PK

[austere sparrow]

You say that after the addition of big bear? 😔

[late swallow]

[late swallow]

La brea good

[late swallow]

Yoink

[shell sonnet]

at least we didn't have a bear before that; we already had a feline

[steep tulip]

Maybe the reason why we got panthera it's because we already had a feline ingame

Don't you think

[austere sparrow]

I do hope we get an even more normal kingdom core addition to replace Big bear as my main bullying target

[steep tulip]

Quagga

Literally a zebra

Can't get more normal than that

[austere sparrow]

Gosh I do hope we get like. A third Feline rig user that is more ancient and obscure

[austere sparrow]

Zebra with a brown ass tho

I am hyped for zebra with a brown ass

[steep tulip]

Same

I put them in the starting area

Peak

[austere sparrow]

Maybe if Big bear had a skin where it had a non-brown ass I wouldn't be so r00d to it 😔

[low bridge]

2nd pick after 1st place holded by Backword Elephant: Deinotherium

[austere sparrow]

Quagga is a Jurassic Park (book) canon species yknow

Put it in an enclosure with Segisaurus

Backword?

[steep tulip]

Added to jwe3

[austere sparrow]

Based

[steep tulip]

It's just the pz2 model

[austere sparrow]

JWE3 needs to grow tf up and get a mammal DLC

[steep tulip]

With a brown tint

[austere sparrow]

Peak

[late swallow]

I'm lost a bit

The sorting in the nursery menu

[plush nacelle]

Woah. You want to tell me devs are going to use elephant rig at some point

[late swallow]

Doesn't seem to use uniform cladistic levels

[steep tulip]

No

Mammoth is the only one

[plush nacelle]

No more elephants

Quick, add more ceratopsids

Work efficiency important

[steep tulip]

All I'm saying is that panthera isn't as hard to make compared to another elephant

[low bridge]

African Mammoth last elephant

[austere sparrow]

The devs when opportunity to use big cat rig:
The devs when opportunity to use a rig that would work for animals people actually care about: 😴
Same as before, but the animals people care about are Ceratopsians:

[plush nacelle]

Frontier weird policy about not making more than new 2 rigs in DLC would pose small problem while making mammal DLC

[austere sparrow]

Loxodonta for PK??? (based)

[late swallow]

You've got Mirorder Euungulata, Superorder Afrotheria, Unranked Therapoda

[low bridge]

African Mammoth ain't Luxodonta

[digital pendant]

ah yes the cat rig that was reused once instead of the dinosaur ones which have been reused quite a fair bit

[austere sparrow]

🙄 They have that? Dang. Guess they'll have to do a Cenozoic DLC with two mammals, a sebeccid and a Marine critter and THEN a Mammal DLC.

[low bridge]

"Mammuthus Africanavus"

[late swallow]

Loxodonta is the genus that holds the African Bush Elephant

[austere sparrow]

Oh that one, I see

[digital pendant]

they have PZ mammal rigs, they can reuse that

[austere sparrow]

Frontier seems oddly averse to use PZ rigs in JWE and vice versa?

[digital pendant]

also is that policy actually official or something the modding community came up with as a "policy"

[late swallow]

Frontier does frontier things

[plush nacelle]

Remember times when people been using PZ rigs as argument for why megalodon means cenozoic DLC

Only for segisaurus to show up

[digital pendant]

they probably havent had a need, both games reuse a lot of assets from one another

[plush nacelle]

[amber field]

I think Colombian mammoth will be better imo

[lean hound]

I do wish a different bear was picked instead of ursus

[digital pendant]

here we go again

[waxen grail]

Utahraptor (joke)

[marsh mesa]

If you are referring to what I think you are referring to then I am happy to inform it is actually the opposite scenario
L. adaurora is more than likely one of the known African Mammoth species

[late swallow]

Bless up for utah

[lean hound]

It’s basically just “Brown bear but slightly bigger in visible size” to me

[waxen grail]

Cave bear is in the game whether you like it or not

[low bridge]

Super Thin one, on diet diet, not chubby boy

[austere sparrow]

I don't even mind the cave bear in theory it's just. Such a wild choice for a first bear, and without any alt species). People using the different skins as individual variety is clever but like. Not like the cave bear exactly has "animal that forms massive herds" vibes, even ignoring actual ingame requirements

[lean hound]

I do like it

[amber field]

It had more unique appearance

[low bridge]

Tbfh Columbian should be paid Dlc

[marsh mesa]

Chances are Columbians could get just as Woolly in northern ranges

[lean hound]

I just prefer more unique bears

[marsh mesa]

Especially where they overlapped with primigenius

[amber field]

really ?!

But the southern US was as hot for an animal with that size and that amount of hair

[late swallow]

Oh? I'd like to know your thought process. /gen

[marsh mesa]

They reached Canada

[amber field]

Perhaps different populations had different amounts of hair

[waxen grail]

Makes sense

[digital pendant]

mammals can grow hair when needed

plus a lot of mammals in very seasonal ranges will shed it

[steep tulip]

I mean
Arctodus and arctotherium
That's it

[shell sonnet]

tell that to all the bald people

[digital pendant]

bald people generally grow more body hair so

[steep tulip]

Still pretty normal bears anyway

[amber field]

Yeah, I know, the best example is the hyenas

[marsh mesa]

Also Columbian Mammoths are technically an ichnospecies of Woolly Mammoths but that is not a discussion for today lol
But tldr they resulted from hybridization of Steppe Mammoths, from which Woolies evolved to begin with, and early Woolly Mammoths from the first wave that entered NA

So chances are they didn’t look as different as we often depict them

Furthermore Woolies themselves could have looked balder in some areas of their range depending on place and season

[digital pendant]

only ones i can see different are the further south ones being way less hairy

as in the mexican ones

[marsh mesa]

Yeah same

Or the Central American ones

[austere sparrow]

Contrary to the insistence of Scale-Feather-debaters, "bald" elephants are also not actually bald; they still have fine hair all over. So, if they get north it can, in theory, just grow thicker.

[plush nacelle]

Cave bear is based

[marsh mesa]

Iirc they reached Yucatán?

[plush nacelle]

Cave trio must be completed

[digital pendant]

costa rica in fact

[marsh mesa]

Oh shit

[digital pendant]

thats the furthest south we know

[marsh mesa]

I recall there’s also some dubious Mammoth-like tooth from SA

But I can see that being a Notio

[digital pendant]

from brazil

could see potential mammoth stuff popping up in northern SA, but thats science chat territory

[austere sparrow]

"Trio", the blasphemy. No love for Cave Hyena, Cave Leopard and Cave Man to be found? 😔

...Maybe the devs should add Cave Hyena. For the Cave bear haters to explode about. As one of the Cave Bear haters I can attest to the fact that it would be funny.

[plush nacelle]

I am open to leopard

Cave man little controversial

[austere sparrow]

Yeah cave man is hopefully not coming

[waxen grail]

We have descendants of cave man already

[austere sparrow]

The devs seem to be still hoping for some. Ethically questionable features down the line. But I do believe they also said humans in zoos is a bridge too far

[flint sable]

ture

[flint sable]

agreed

[marsh mesa]

We have Cave Men in PK, mostly confined to this chat it seems

[austere sparrow]

Although maybe we could do what ZT2 did and have workers dress up as Cave Man Performers? 🤔

[flint sable]

my rule is that if its closer to humans than chimps then nuh uh

[plush nacelle]

Cave hyeana would be based. True apex predator of mammoth steppe

[flint sable]

ZT2 straight up had cavemen frozen in ice

[waxen grail]

Ethically questionable features? As in combat or something else?

[low bridge]

Fact

[plush nacelle]

Would be also first good looking hyeana in zoo game

[flint sable]

they would melt and then just become a guest in your zoo

[amber field]

I think we had enough of European "ice-age" animals , perhaps a DLC , we need more American one, or Paleogene , Neogene tbh

[flint sable]

so they were just straight up neanderthals or something

[late swallow]

coconuts are mammals

[austere sparrow]

Oh yeah the guest cavemen. I assume PK isn't quite whimsy-pilled enough for that one.

[flint sable]

correct

[austere sparrow]

Live hunting was one, I believe...?

[waxen grail]

Ok

[steep tulip]

Having neathertals walk around the park would be funny

Or straight up australopithecus

[austere sparrow]

I mean I had that opinion before Big Bear and Funky elk joined the game so. Agreed I guess.

[flint sable]

hot take but

adding australopithicus would be worse than neanderthals

since neanderthals can just be ethically questionable workers

[plush nacelle]

What about reconstructing australopithecus as funny bonobo?

[shell sonnet]

Cave men should be those goofy park mascot characters in silly costumes you get in games like Planet Coaster

[marsh mesa]

Jesus Christ can we like just not go there in any form

[shell sonnet]

Also the souvenir shop should sell Flintstone-esque leopards skins

[amber field]

Yeah, because If I'm not wrong, we just have rhinos that represent the other Cenozoic periods

[shell sonnet]

that guests can wear

[austere sparrow]

I like the idea of Cavemen entertainer-educators. Maybe with custom voice lines like, "Hi! I am a Cro Magnon Man! In my free time, I like to paint."

...Having them grunt and such like the likes of the Planet Coaster mascots might be, uh. Weird indeed, come to think of it.

[shell sonnet]

i mean they'd just be paid actors in my version, not other hominids

[marsh mesa]

Paid actors works

[steep crane]

Zt2 sorta did this. But only like for one campaign.

Also the glacier enrichment had a Neanderthal.

[austere sparrow]

ZT2 main game had furries instead.

[steep crane]

Mhm.

[shell sonnet]

honestly just some kind of staff member to add a bit of bling to the current group

[austere sparrow]

Realistically if we did this just having a Cro Magnon type person Caveperson would probably be enough but I'd kinda like to see Neanderthal, Australopithecus and maaaybe Paranthropus actors too, since that covers a lot of human evolution pretty nicely

Homo erectus and Homo habilis actors might be nice I guess but I feel like at that point it might just make more sense to ditch the actor idea entirely in favor of a placeable infographic xP

...Not sure you could realistically differentiate H.erectus and H.habilis actors in any meaningful fashion, come to think of it. 🤔

Welp, if anybody wants to refine the idea and post it as a separate thread they're free to take it, I suppose.

[plush nacelle]

Australopithecus and paranthropus actors sound rather interesting

[austere sparrow]

I do heavily doubt the devs actually read this thread so, yeah.

[steep tulip]

This is the containment chamber

So we don't saturate the pk general chat with suggestions

[late swallow]

It doesn't work

[silver steeple]

Its a containment for the forum

Not general

[austere sparrow]

It's a containment for jack piddly squat 😔

[low bridge]

Non mammoth steppe hyena like grassland dwelling Chasmaporthetes would be Neat addition

Non canid pack hunting predator

[late swallow]

Nono, it's containment for the whole server

[austere sparrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_hyena

This is the animal we're talking about

Issa specific one

[late swallow]

Holy hell a subgenus

Don't see those often

[low bridge]

Cave Hyena is fine

[austere sparrow]

Regular Hyenas are like slim bears but sexier

[plush nacelle]

Cave hyenas swarming anything in game for the win?

[flint sable]

arent cave hyaenas taxonomically weird

like their western populations are closer to african spotted hyaenas than they were to the eastern ones

[amber field]

Dinocrocuta ?

[late swallow]

Crocuta (crocuta) spelaea and ultima, as listed above

[low bridge]

Dinocrocuta is way bigger but menacing hyena

[amber field]

no, this different the size

[amber field]

and it's much older

[low bridge]

It likes Sinotherium

[amber field]

yeah

[amber field]

Dinocrocuta ≠ cave hyena

[low bridge]

Hope that it comes with Chilotherium, Amphimachairodus, Tsaidamotherium in one pack

Then Liushu is Finished

[amber field]

Chilotherium 🙏

[low bridge]

Weird Rhino by looking

Hog rhino

Lolll

[amber field]

And brontotheres

[low bridge]

Embolotherium was huge but is neat as Megacerops

🤷

[amber field]

Both will be great addition

[low bridge]

Idk but Climacoceras is neat small mammal

Kyptoceras, Synthetoceras also neat as heck

Prolibytherium would crash the game in half by how crazy it was

Tbh

[amber field]

Prolibytherium ?

[low bridge]

Yep

Animal which mogged everything

Moghara formation lol

🫥

Cenozoic is better than Mesozoic tbh

[willow mason]

Not quite a full species suggestion and more of a store request.

A Bar for our guests to attend where they can get "Amargaritas" and in turn add Amargasaur to the game to build off the in-game/universe restaurant/bar

[lean hound]

Why post it in the species suggestions channel then?

[willow mason]

Cause it is still a species suggestion of Amargasaurus, just also a suggestion to coincide a building/sign with it as well

[low bridge]

That one behind: One million year old mog incident in Pakistan

[flint sable]

similar one, Dunkelosteus and Dunkle Donuts would be really cool

[late swallow]

This is super cool, but could have an adverse impact on the games ESRB/PEGI ratings

[outer moth]

If Ceratosaurus is ever added back to PK, do yall think it should have it's dewlap back?

I feel like a dewlap adds character to Cerato

[steep tulip]

Imo it breaks its silhouette too much

but also dont mind it too much

just prefer it without it

[outer crater]

it could be for one of its skins

[slim flare]

Giant cape zebra are just large plains zebra

[slim flare]

We have tons of bones, including skulls

[hollow furnace]

paleoloxodon namidicus is known from a ton of fossils, the massive size estimate is based on one fragmentary bone

still huge, larger then modern elephants, but not the 20+ ton estimates

[slim flare]

^

[autumn plank]

with oviraptor confirmed for U15 which species do also want to see in the future for oviraptorid dinosaurs

[slim flare]

☝️🤓 Oviraptor only contains a single species

[austere sparrow]

Those, uh. Those are genera

[smoky spear]

Maybe we should wait till we get the skins of oviraptor first

I have a feeling some of these will be redundant depending on the crest variants of the oviraptor skins

[steep tulip]

I know I mentioned it as bit below
I was referred to the giant one since that's what people actually want from namadicus

[ancient ibex]

There is more to Oviraptorosauria than Oviraptorids and Caenagnathids fwiw; hell, the second potential Oviraptorosaur to be added to the game may as well be Yi

[wild relic]

Wait are scansoriopterygids said to be oviraptorosaurs?

[ancient ibex]

They are found at times to be so, yeah

Which makes sense as they are coeval with anchiornithids and thus the entire maniraptoromorph radiation had to have already taken place

[late swallow]

Atm I believe they're Anchiornithids

[ancient ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/tfs-cell-imperfect-cell-wrong-dbza-gif-22046319

[quaint plank]

Thank you cell

[ancient ibex]

It applies to me instead tho, Anchiornithid scansors has been a result

(they have hopped around every position within pennaraptora, and Yi being the sole adult one doesn't help)

[late swallow]

i hate to break it to you

Epidexipterix hui is also known from an adult specimen

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, "only one known adult" comes from the pre-Yi days

[low bridge]

Only felid with living genus should be Acinonyx with species: Pardinensis and Pleistonicaeus

It is so good

Miracinonyx was closer to Puma

Cheetah would be Nice

[outer moth]

Wait, did all scansopterids have that gliding membrane that Yi has?

Would be weird if Yi's the only member that posesses it

[late swallow]

tbf we have like five fossils of them

[ancient ibex]

There is no reason to assume tgey didn't; anatomy is consistent

[plush nacelle]

I remember epidexipteryx in planet dinosaur acting like aye-aye before discovery of yi

[hollow flower]

I am still sort of surprised it wasnt actually a dinosaur equivalent of an Aye-Aye

I mean without the hindsight of Yi it makes alot of sense

[slim flare]

Maybe aye-ayes have a membrane to fly

[hollow furnace]

more research is required...

[late swallow]

Get the stapler

[plush nacelle]

Tbf with skull like this it would have hard time getting through wood

[hollow flower]

Thats a good point

[wary nacelle]

Alaskacephale but do the thing that they did with Pachyrhinosaurus perotorum

[steep crane]

Nah, Miracinonyx.

[low bridge]

It was Not a cheetah

[low bridge]

Closer to Puma he was

Tbh

American Cheetah is just a nickname for it

Lore accurate

Lolll

😵‍💫

[low bridge]

Only Canids that would Fit in Prehistoric Kingdom are Aenocyon, Epicyon

[sharp dock]

Dusicyon, Cynotherium, Canis

[plush nacelle]

cave wolf

[shell sonnet]

That's just a gray wolf subspecies; would be boring

[outer crater]

That makes it better

[late swallow]

Borophagus

[low bridge]

Cat crl to puma, giant cheetahs would be good enough

Hope that 5 camelids will be in game

After all

Stenomylus and 4 other good as first

[feral cedar]

Hey EZ

I’m curious

you’re always suggesting mammals, but are there any dinosaurs you want in the game?

[low bridge]

Concavenator,Giga

And Chasmo

🫥🤷

[quiet stirrup]

Some animals I wouldn't mind seeing in this game include Sivatherium, Equus Giganteus, Hippopotamus Gorgops, Megacerops, Moropus, macrauchenia, toxodon, andrewsarchus, the elephant bird, kelenken, gastornis, deinotherium, barinasuchus, diprotodon, megalania, the short faced bear, paleoloxodon, and dimetrodon.

Oh and Aepycamelus

[slow shoal]

a like a year ot two ago andrewsarchus would be considered sacrilege but genuienly curious as to what the PK team could cook up with it since even tho it likely has the general entelodont bodyplan its head is kinda unique even among that group

[short rover]

Not bad, tho equus giganteus is not a valid species

[outer crater]

Probably only 1 or 0 will be in the game

[late swallow]

neither is Saurophaganax maximus

[short rover]

They didn’t know that before committing to add it to the game

[late swallow]

Ugrunaaluk

[short rover]

Same thing

All animals in game now that are invalid weren’t invalid when planning on implementation

Equus giganteus has been dubious pretty much since discovery

Also sauro and ugruu are def both a unique species of some sort, equus giganteus is just a big equus ferus fossil

[late swallow]

ugru is just E. regalis

[hollow furnace]

Eqqus giganteus: 🤓

[flint sable]

it at the very least lives somewhere interesting though

[outer crater]

Was it just a young one?

[hollow furnace]

It's a bonebed of juveniles, yes

[wary nacelle]

Timimus... though probably didn't look like this

Oh also Leaellynasaurua's name sibling

[outer crater]

They should keep Ugrunaaluk but give it the crest

[quiet stirrup]

If Equus Giganteus isn't valid then I think that Equus Simplicidens (also known as the hagerman horse) would be a good addition.

[short rover]

Would be neat

[quiet stirrup]

In terms of dinosaurs I wouldn't mind seeing kentrosaurus, suchomimus, megaraptor, gigantoraptor, amargasaurus, and cryolophosaurus in the game.

Oh and therizenosaurus

[hollow furnace]

all pretty good picks

[quiet stirrup]

I really hope that Ceratosaurus, Carnotaurus, Yutyrannus, Daeodon, Hyaenodon, Diplodocus, Edmontonia, and Megatherium end up being in the game.

[late swallow]

someone with amazing taste

kentro amarga and cryo

[short rover]

2 bangers and a stinker

[short rover]

In all seriousness, generally good taste

[wary nacelle]

Kumimanu

[outer crater]

Hesperornis better

[cosmic cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[short rover]

Hesperornis is quite different

[silver steeple]

One is a semi aquatic bird and the other is a semi aquatic bird (penguin)

[vivid field]

both is good

[austere sparrow]

Remember kids: Dinosaurs in the same exact niche are very different and worthy of inclusion even if they're literally the same animal with slightly different ornamental features...
Unless they're birds.

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[low bridge]

I hope for Dinocrocuta

[vivid field]

How we feelin about Nanuqsaurus

[outer moth]

Eh

Nanuq's just not the best in terms of uniqueness

not to mention it's pretty frag

[vivid field]

ok what about Qianzhousaurus

[outer moth]

Basically Alioramus from what I've heard

[late swallow]

im with you

[vivid field]

THANK YOU

[late swallow]

counter, carch

[vivid field]

i want Nanuqsaurus and Qianzhousaurus

we need more tyrannosaurs and WAYYYY more thyreophorans imo

[late swallow]

in due time™

[vivid field]

yes

[late swallow]

we get probably 2 more Thyreophorans [capitalise all clade levels above species] in u17

[vivid field]

THANK GOD

what about post-u17 and post-ea?

[plush nacelle]

Both are stegosaurus species

[vivid field]

i’m not mad

[late swallow]

who knows

[outer moth]

Yutyrannus is better than Nanuq

Has better remains

And still is the “fluffy tyrannosauroid”

[vivid field]

i agree but nanuq and qianzho should still come

[outer moth]

Quinzhou’s a decent pick, but we’d have to figure out wtf is going on with Alioramini first

[vivid field]

then HURRY UP PEOPLE 🗣️

[hollow furnace]

Alioramus+Qianzhousaurus would be good

Nanuq is stinky

[plush nacelle]

PK discord fears nanuq

[river perch]

They fear it for it is inevitable

Woolly pachyrhino was merely the first step in the operation

[plush nacelle]

Surviving Earth will ascend nanuq

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-limbs-restricted-kneeling-on-the-floor-screaming-sped-up-gif-14767206172411155766

this dinosaur is an industry plant

[plush nacelle]

A simple recipe for success = die in alaska

Alaska today harsh cold

Thus dinosaurs lived in similar harsh cold

[austere sparrow]

PK seems to add animals based on the associated media entity, not (just) the scientific opinion on the animal

So while cringe, frag-as-crap animals aren't off the list, if they've entered the cultural zeitgeist

See Leaellynasaura and Carcharodontosaurus, or even Brachiosaurus being used over Giraffatitan

[steep tulip]

Yeah, that's why there's a real chance that nanuq gets in the game

Made up dinosaur

Its like a unicorn

[plush nacelle]

Funny how such phenomen is rather rare in mammals. Most famous species are fairly complete

[steep tulip]

Well helps that most are all from the pleistocene

[digital pendant]

cenozoic paleo is wildly different than mesozoic paleo

[digital pendant]

nah not even that, its easier to also study animals that are much more analogous to those living around us thus people have an easier grasp at understanding them

[steep tulip]

Like only one I could think it's even remotely in the same situation are palaeoloxodon namadicus and the thing

[plush nacelle]

Gigantopithecus comes first to mind as popular bone taxon

[steep tulip]

I forgot its name

[digital pendant]

also a lot of the famous mammals were the rockstars of paleontology before dinosaurs took off

[steep tulip]

Adrewsarchus lmao

[steep tulip]

Yeah true

[digital pendant]

nah namadicus isnt incomplete, there is a dubious large specimen, but thats it

[hollow furnace]

The Prince Creek formation, and the late Cretaceous arctic in general, is genuinely fascinating and Nanuqsaurus is by far the least interesting part of it

[austere sparrow]

I mean, the Cenozoic gets way less media coverage, especially outside of "humans wuz here" areas. And for those latter ones it does seem some of the remains that would get destroyed before getting fossilized are still around, so there's more material there

[steep tulip]

Oh I know, was referring to that one
I should probably start to specify it, second time it happened these 2 days lol

[austere sparrow]

...Having human characters for the audience to relate to (ish) seemingly does wonders for paleomedia production, even though quite a few of those kinda stories are just "generic anachrostic crap with cavemen". Don't really get the formation focus you see with documentaries, there.

[steep tulip]

Also true
Mammals bones preserve more easily
Terror birds are keeping alive the family business in the cenozoic

🔥

[austere sparrow]

Also occurs to me Ice Age is a thing. Probably the biggest piece of Cenozoic Paleomedia, and it's a cartoon that refuses to actually say the names of anything that isn't either a mammoth or shares a common name with something modern

[digital pendant]

and im glad it doesnt

imagine them shouting genus names

weird as fuck for an animated movie

[austere sparrow]

Disney "Live Action" Jungle Book moment

Also lots of the Ice Age animals seem to just be modern lol. Pretty sure like half of the pirate crew from the fourth movie is just modern animals

[steep tulip]

Lmao
Someone on the team was clearly a fan

Of gigantopithecus

[austere sparrow]

A singular late surviving Gigantopithecus clearly makes more sense than an Orangutan somehow ending up in India

[steep tulip]

Ice age has hesperornis

[austere sparrow]

Just have him sing about escaping the circus or something lmfao it's not that hard

Ice Age 2 does yeah

Ice Age 3 just said "fuck it" and added dinosaurs

Vastly oversized ones lol

[plush nacelle]

Different bird

Lemme check

[steep tulip]

Ichthyornis?

[plush nacelle]

Baptornis

[steep tulip]

Oh

[plush nacelle]

Obviously because name means diving bird

[austere sparrow]

How the hell do we know its Baptornis instead of Hesperornis? Did a filmcrewmember say so?

[steep tulip]

Ice age 2 also had 2 marine reptiles

That looks nothing like the real thing

[austere sparrow]

Still not sure what the fuck those were meant to be

My best guesses were "Basal Metrorhynchid" and "Carnivorous Placodus"

[plush nacelle]

Yes

[steep tulip]

I always thought metriorhynchus and a weird pliosaur

[austere sparrow]

...I guess Placodus was already carnivorous but you get what I mean

[steep tulip]

But apparently they are an ichthyosaur and a mosasaur

[austere sparrow]

Lmao

[austere sparrow]

Sure they are, Bluesky, sure they are

[feral cedar]

only three dinosaurs?

[austere sparrow]

Three dinosaurs where?

[plush nacelle]

EZ likes giga, conca and chasmo

[austere sparrow]

Oh right

[feral cedar]

EZ only personally wants 3 more dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

And Giga is basically already ingame since that's what most of Carch is based on, soooo... 😭

[feral cedar]

based Chasmosaurus enjoyer but… I dunno I guess I expected more

[digital pendant]

you guys need a better hobby than obsessing about EZ's choices

a bit strange if I say so myself

[austere sparrow]

I was content to ignore him and discuss the weird species inclusions of the Ice Age movies 😔

[feral cedar]

I mean I asked him out of curiosity so yeah I’m gonna reply

Or is that not allowed

[austere sparrow]

Also. You wrote "obessing". Funni.

[digital pendant]

i didnt see the reply

yet my point stands regardless

[austere sparrow]

Anyway

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-awkward-black-kid-gif-14606599

[austere sparrow]

What about everybody else? What dinosaurs would you still want?

[plush nacelle]

Haast eagle

[late swallow]

good dinosaur choice

[austere sparrow]

Haast eagle is a good dinosaur

[digital pendant]

Pentaceratops for sure

and any of the small south american sauropods

[austere sparrow]

Personally I would really like Dromornis

[plush nacelle]

No animal would behave like haast eagle in the game.

[austere sparrow]

Saltasaurus would definitely be great. Amargasaurus too. And well, I do like more than those but I feel that's the main two who have a shot at inclusion

[feral cedar]

hmmm

oh boy

[late swallow]

Amarga and maybe Brachy when it comes to the SA Sauropods

[austere sparrow]

Fingers crossed that flying works out

[late swallow]

Herrera too

[steep tulip]

I'm thinking of one that isn't so obvious but idk

[slim flare]

Amargasaurus and Nigersaurus

[austere sparrow]

Brachytrachelopan? Wasn't that one African? Lemme double check

Oh nope it's South American

Neat

[feral cedar]

Eoraptor and Herrerasaurus for more Triassic rep, and Silesaurus depending on who you ask if we’re talking solely dinosaurs

[late swallow]

doof

[late swallow]

Nigersaurus fan, 👑 you dropped this

[austere sparrow]

I can say Brachytrachelopan from memory and that's good enough for me

[steep tulip]

Silesaurus ig

[austere sparrow]

Nigersaurus and Silesaurus would both be nice

[feral cedar]

Heterodontosaurus, Scutellosaurus, Lesothosaurus as a terrarium trio of smol basal ornithischians

[steep tulip]

Was about to say

Terrarium scutellosaurus would be very lovely

[slim flare]

I think the four sauropods really left is
Amargasaurus
Nigersaurus
Diplodocus
Mamenchisaurus

[steep tulip]

And 1 small titanosaur

Imo

[feral cedar]

Massospondylus would be fun, alongside Vulcanodon and Cryolophosaurus. And I’m only done with the Early Jurassic

[steep tulip]

But yeah

[slim flare]

Sure

[austere sparrow]

I mean I feel like you could have entire expansion packs of Sauropods without really dipping into anything too obscure but like. Idk.

[plush nacelle]

Come on. Nemegt sauropod. It cant be all theropods

[slim flare]

Amargasaurus is a MUST tho

Way too wacky

[feral cedar]

I’d personally like a few more Morrison fellas like Diplodocus, Camptosaurus, Ceratosaurus, and Ornitholestes. Some contemporaneous dinosaurs across the sea too, like Archaeopteryx, Miragaia, Kentrosaurus, and Elaphrosaurus

Tuojiangosaurus, Mamenchisaurus, Guanlong, Monolophosaurus, and Yangchuanosaurus are my most wanted Chinese Jurassic animals

I could go on

[steep tulip]

Giraffatitan kentro and elaphro
All together in the game
10% chance of actually happening

[plush nacelle]

90% faith tho

[steep tulip]

Fax

[feral cedar]

Does Tendaguru have any prominent predators that don’t tread a bit into obscurosaur territory?

[steep tulip]

No

[slim flare]

No

[feral cedar]

unfortunate

[steep tulip]

Those 3 are the only dinosaurs in the formation known form decent material

[slim flare]

Giraffititan, Elaphrosaurus and Kentrosaurus are the only ones worth anything

[plush nacelle]

It would be probably some sort of allosaurus anyway

There is also that one, which died in thousands

[wild relic]

Yeah the only other predator is Veterupristisaurus but no one is going to know that one

[plush nacelle]

Dysalotosaurus

[feral cedar]

I know that there’s a tooth taxon in Tendaguru lol

[austere sparrow]

Thinking about what mesozoic dinosaurs I would really want at this point.
Saltasaurus is there. Melanorosaurus I would like but probably doesn't have a shot. Miragaia but p sure that one is basically guaranteed. Gastonia? Plump lil' pal. One of the Asian Ankylosaurs. Any Abelisaur that isn't Carnotaurus (Carnotaurus is neat on it's own but would just be so perfect as a DLC headliner further down the line...). I think I would like a Chasmosaur too, ideally something like Chasmosaurus or Utahceratops, bcuz smoll.
And that's probably like. The end of my list before I get to my "Okay enough dinosaurs pls take a break with them and start finally adding more interesting mammals instead pls" breaking point

[feral cedar]

The only value Ostafrika brings to me is I started jokingly calling it Extrafreakysaurus in the JWE Discord server and it kinda stuck

[steep tulip]

I forgot it also had dicraeosaurus
That one isn't terrible either

But it has better known relatives

I believe

[feral cedar]

Dicraeosaurus isn’t bad but there’s two better relatives (amarga/brachy) to add before it

[austere sparrow]

Dicraeosaurus has Amargasaurus. Guess it could get in as an alt, especially if the devs somehow decide to exclude Bajadasaurus

[austere sparrow]

I feel like the potential as a Kentro friendo is worth the Dicra alt slot but idk

[feral cedar]

Bajadasaurus is honestly not that promising

[steep tulip]

It is another saurophaganax

Maybe a bit better

[plush nacelle]

Tendanguru also has one of the smallest croc ever apparently

[steep tulip]

Oh really?
Is it cool

[feral cedar]

The “sail” is a single spine which kicks open the potential of taphonomy

[steep tulip]

Or mostly just a mini croc
Like the african one

[feral cedar]

Like, a single long rod can get twisted over 150 million years

We can’t be certain if the sole reason why people want Bajadasaurus will even hold up

[steep tulip]

Imo it's fine

[austere sparrow]

We have Ugruunaluk already so it wouldn't be the first time

[steep tulip]

Yeah

At worst is amarga with a genetic defect

[feral cedar]

Yeah but Ugrunaaluk is different though

[slim flare]

It’s invalid

[feral cedar]

The debate currently boils down to whether it gets its own genus

[slim flare]

What?

[late swallow]

ugru is literally just E. regalis

[feral cedar]

are we sure it's just E. regalis

[slim flare]

Ugrun is dubious

[steep tulip]

Prince creek washed

[plush nacelle]

Mostly mini croc. Would be nice terrarium critter

[hollow furnace]

from all material we have yes

[late swallow]

unless you're holding onto a fossil we need to know about

[steep tulip]

I would be fine with it, but there's a lot of small crocodiylomorphs that I would see so idk

[hollow furnace]

In theory adults may show distinct characters but all material we have currently is skeletally indistingushable from Edmontosaurus regalis at the same developmental stage

[feral cedar]

Well regardless, Ugrunaaluk and Saurophaganax are a different situation

[steep tulip]

They are

But

[feral cedar]

Bajadasaurus strikes me as a dinosaur hard carried by new toy syndrome

[steep tulip]

Both wooly pachy and croco spino also fit into that category

[feral cedar]

it's a very new discovery

[steep tulip]

I mean true

Its on the same level as nanuqsaurus

And don't get me wrong

If it was added as an actual species with 3 skins I would treat it the same

But as an alt it's fine

[feral cedar]

Yeah but Amargasaurus could get better alts than "Amargasaurusn't"

Dicraeosaurus to go with Tendaguru residents

[digital pendant]

i agree

amarga is cool on its own, it doesnt need an alt

[steep tulip]

I found a lot of its other closer relatives to be too different for alt material

[ancient ibex]

Ttbt, regalis potentially being overlumped is something to ponder

[steep tulip]

So its either badaja or nothing

[austere sparrow]

I think Dicra could work as an Amarga alt? Brachy probably not tho. And Bajada I mean, definitely does on account of probably being Amarga (lol)

[feral cedar]

And on the topic of new toy syndrome... Jakapil

[ancient ibex]

Jakapil is a quite intriguing animal... that we know scrap about

[feral cedar]

Scutellosaurus>>>

[steep tulip]

Dicraeo has different proportions so idk if it could work

[austere sparrow]

I mean to be fair, if Jakapil does indeed look the way people think it looks, it would be very kewl indeed

[slim flare]

And a lot of different interpretations

[feral cedar]

Jakapil is very interesting paleontologically, but for a zoo game?

[steep tulip]

I mean both very different imo

[ancient ibex]

The common depiction of Jakapil is a neat scrugglo, but it is amost completely made up

[steep tulip]

But scutellosaurus goated

And anyway
La colonia about to get its own parankylosaur soon

And it's quite complete

[slim flare]

@feral cedar Are you clear on Ugrun being dubious? Like not diagnostic so it’s not even a junior synonym.

[steep tulip]

We will see if it can take jackapil spot if people really want another

[austere sparrow]

Sometimes I feel like hoping and coping that Jakapil ends up having a long neck and maybe a slight spike crest. Just the ultimate "pseudo-hybrid"

[feral cedar]

idk why people on the JWE Discord have such a strong preference for Jakapil over Scutellosaurus other than new toy syndrome

[feral cedar]

yeah

[feral cedar]

oooh

[steep tulip]

La colonia also about to get its own hadrosaur too

[wild relic]

Oh my god Carno will have neighbors

[steep tulip]

Doubt this one could be added

[feral cedar]

please don't name it something like Coloniapelta 🤞

[ancient ibex]

After 40 years of "only Carnotaurus here", neat to see more stuff

[steep tulip]

But still cool

[steep tulip]

Yep

[feral cedar]

getting a lot of neighbors recently

[steep tulip]

Some of the stuff was collected nit much after carno, but never got described

[ancient ibex]

The SA kritosaurs are neat

[steep tulip]

But I don't believe it was either of these 2

[feral cedar]

Austrokritosauria now, actually 🤓

[wild relic]

Oh wait I forgot Titanomachya was in the la Colonia

[feral cedar]

Titanomachya is so funny

[wild relic]

And Koleken

[feral cedar]

Yet another instance of a name emphasizing sheer size for a sauropod that is relatively speaking very small

Paludititan is in good company

[steep tulip]

Realistically only the paranky could be a cool addition

[ancient ibex]

Still part of a kritosaur clade

[austere sparrow]

I dunno, I wouldn't mind a Kritosaur

[feral cedar]

touche

[steep tulip]

Titanomachya a bit too incomplete

[wild relic]

And Koleken is just.. uh

[austere sparrow]

...Although chances are one of the other ones is probably gonna be both more popular and complete

[wild relic]

Well he's actually not too bad

[feral cedar]

kritosaurins strike me as the 'coverage' tier additions of hadrosaurs ngl

[ancient ibex]

Yep

[feral cedar]

Kinda like struthiosaurins or albertaceratopsins

[ancient ibex]

Saurolophus and Maiasaura are THE sauroloph additions

[low bridge]

Magyarosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Kritosaurs have a funky nose. That's neat.

[ancient ibex]

Kritosaurs are "nose guys", where the better use for them is SA rep

[steep tulip]

Average abelisaur

There's really not much about it

[feral cedar]

which one, I wonder

There's only 4 named ones atm

[austere sparrow]

Can play around with the sounds, there. Really do wonderful work for whacky ambience stuff.

We do not have enough animals that sound utterly unhinged, rn.

[hollow furnace]

spin a wheel I don't think anyone particularly cares about any of them as genera lol

[tough marsh]

I think barylambda would be cool

[feral cedar]

Secernosaurus and Huallasaurus have a 1993 Brachiosaurus/Giraffatitan thing going on because of Prehistoric Planet

[austere sparrow]

I guess Secernosaurus is the closest to famous out of these. Probably a non-Austrokritosaur would get in instead, tho? Either Kritosaurus or Gryphosaurus?

[feral cedar]

ngl I want Rhinorex for the sole reason of that being like the PERFECT name for a kritosaurin

[ancient ibex]

KING NOSE

[feral cedar]

I mean COME ON, the NOSE KING

[austere sparrow]

Come on PK devs give me an animal that sounds like you tied a broken trombone to a car exhaust

[feral cedar]

WAIT

idea

Gryposaurus is added to PK

notabilis/monumentensis/Rhinorex alt

[wild relic]

Ah I love seeing wiki using DDinoDan's art

[austere sparrow]

...Y'know sobering down a bit

I would love Kritosaurs in the hypothetical no-budget-issues parade of Paleontology PK that exists in my dreams

But I guess realistically speaking there's. Not much here is there

[ancient ibex]

JWE1's Muttaburrasaurus may as well be the kritosaur rep in zoo sims

[shell sonnet]

South American supporters

[austere sparrow]

They made it quadrupedal, right? Lmfao

[wild relic]

Yep

In the first one, glad they fixed it in the second one

[austere sparrow]

Yee

Honestly looking Scutellosaurus over, I can see why people prefer the Jakapil we made up

[shell sonnet]

I mean we don't even know what Jakapil is

[austere sparrow]

Scutello is kinda just a generic "Hypsilophodont" with scutes, Jakapil has. Whacky cheeks and big osteoderms at the very least

I mean we don't know for sure what it is but we do have some pretty good edge pieces for the puzzle. Definitely less bad than, say, Therizinosaurus (ignoring the lack of relatives to compare to), and that one got into the movies proper, so.

[shell sonnet]

Nah, even beyond the osteoderms they're clearly distinct

The tail, the skull, the arms

[austere sparrow]

What I understand less is why JWE fans want more species so tiny they'll just get swallowed by the grass

[ancient ibex]

Theropods be conservative with the basic dinosaur bauplan but whenever a non-theropod does so...

[steep tulip]

sacrilegious description of scutello

[austere sparrow]

Okay that's neat but still generic "Hypsilophodont"

[shell sonnet]

They look nothing alike

[austere sparrow]

Like. We live in a world where people - accomplished paleoartists, even!, draw Hypsilophodon and Thescelosaurus as nearly identical looking. Which. I guess does mean it's impossible not to count as a "generic "Hypsilophodont"" if you even slightly match the bauplan so uh. RIP small Ornithopods I guess

[shell sonnet]

Just because "accomplished paleoartists" screw things up because they can't bother to learn differences is meaningless.

That's on them and there inability to learn and read

[outer crater]

need doedicurus

[austere sparrow]

I do think Scutellosaurus and Jakapil would both be p worthwhile in a PK or PZ like game with a system for minis

But definitely not friggin JWE lmao

[shell sonnet]

For crying outloud if anyone told me these animals were the same, I'd wouldn't trust any of their opinions about dinos

[ancient ibex]

There is also plenty of echo chambering in the fandom that for some reason surrounds dinosaur paleo

[hollow flower]

Im gonna be honest it is kinda similar

Not the same mind you but definetly similar

[shell sonnet]

One look at the skulls should convince you otherwise

[ancient ibex]

Meanwhile Glupshittotyrannus and Glupshittoceratops are the most unique things ever because potatoes

[hollow flower]

True..

[ancient ibex]

People overplaying the differences between Suchomimus and Baryonyx, but calling "hypsilophodont" any small ornithopod smh

[slim flare]

Well because they’re theropods

[shell sonnet]

Theseclosaurus and Hypsi are different enough that they'd have to be full species; Sucho and Bary could be alts

[slim flare]

Like there’s 4 different sauropods, but goddamit I want Oxalaia and Tyrannotitan NOW

Literally incomplete game

[hollow flower]

I do admit theropods do definetly get special treatment from most people

[slim flare]

Admittedly, theropods are the most diverse of dinosaur clades

[wild relic]

Masiakasaurus my beloved

[hollow flower]

Whats with the spiky tail

[shell sonnet]

sure but they always demand the megatherapods

[slim flare]

Considering they range from megafaunal predator to megafaunal herbivore

[austere sparrow]

The "Theropod difference" thing is helped by the fact that you don't need to get a magnifying glass to actually see the differences

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, maniraptoriforms go wild

[slim flare]

Like ignoring the Late Cretaceous theropods, they’re only a few different forms… but then…

[austere sparrow]

Real "Wow how dare non-Hoofstock fans dare say 'Antelope is antelope' about these two incredibly different antelopes" vibes

[feral cedar]

F&A devs saying "too many theropods" as if theropods weren't one of the oldest and most diverse of the main dinosaur groups 😭

[wild relic]

Idk artist depiction of bristles I guess

[shell sonnet]

it matters when they ask for a third spino or another large tyrannosaur or Carchadont

[ancient ibex]

"Can't tell apart an eland from an wildebeest, but Siberian and Bengal tigers are completely different" is not a respectable opinion either

[austere sparrow]

"One of" they predate the second oldest group and survived past the second youngest

[feral cedar]

Granted I miss those devs cause the new ones are content with like 9 ceratopsians not a single one of which is a chasmosaurine except for trike

so

yeah

[hollow flower]

Wait what dev team are we talking about

[austere sparrow]

Lmao get me someone who can't tell small Ornithopods apart but can tell the different species of Allosaurus apart then, wise guy xP

[feral cedar]

Fossils and Archeology, a Minecraft mod. Just a quick lil comment on the way people interpret theropod diversity at times

[hollow flower]

Oh yeah them

[shell sonnet]

that's your average therapod fan

[glass snow]

like go on any social media site

[feral cedar]

Fun fact those devs considered Austroraptor a good proxy for Baryonyx

[glass snow]

that is the average mega theropod fan

[austere sparrow]

I can guarantee you, your average Theropod fan can not tell Allosaurus species apart 💀

[feral cedar]

and they didn't want to add Stenonychosaurus to their mod because then "the troodon people" would've won

[ancient ibex]

What the crap

[plush nacelle]

Average theropod fan doesnt know genus isnt equal to species to begin with

[austere sparrow]

Okay that's just a peak silly opinion

[feral cedar]

THAT'S NOT ALL

[hollow flower]

I find that I would much rather have a non dinosaur than a dinosaur these days

with exceptions of course

[feral cedar]

One of the developers adamantly refused to add Euoplocephalus because his first ever attempt at making a model was very silly and it gave him an embarrassment-fueled pseudo-PTSD

[hollow flower]

[austere sparrow]

Closest thing to a valid opinion so far tbh

[glass snow]

I mean that is understandable

[feral cedar]

The mod had plans to add Altispinax of all things

[glass snow]

ankylosaurs are stupidly hard to model

[shell sonnet]

Does it really matter what the opinion of a bunch of minecraft modders think; they're clearly not smart

[hollow flower]

Now that I think about it yeah Id probably do the same

[shell sonnet]

sorry wrong person

[feral cedar]

I'm sure @slim flare recognizes at least some of the things I'm saying

Anyway to get back on topic

[digital pendant]

you know sometimes people just wanna add things because they like it or find it interesting

[glass snow]

This

[slim flare]

Becklespinax…

[digital pendant]

if they were all going by the opinions of people here, the rosters on anything would be identical all the time

where is the fun in that

[austere sparrow]

British fragmentary Concavenator whoop whoop lets go

[feral cedar]

yeah but you need to have some consistency. Altispinax being a candidate for your lil dino mod thing but not wanting any troodontid out of spite of the people who like the tooth taxon is odd

where do you draw the line in fragmentary species

[shell sonnet]

everyone should just follow my opinion

[feral cedar]

but yeah theropods are very diverse

[shell sonnet]

about everything

[feral cedar]

everyone should follow MY opinion, I'm objectively right

[ancient ibex]

IMO Altispinax is useful for one thing: Restoring Concavenator at slighty larger sizes

[vivid field]

THERIZIONOSAURUS

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I would not mind living in that dystopia; at least we'd finally be getting animal games with healthy rosters 😔

[vivid field]

more Nemegt animals in general

[feral cedar]

Doesn't this imply they're the same animal

I mean we don't say Triceratops is evidence that Chasmosaurus could've grown larger

[shell sonnet]

chasmosaurus and trike are based on way more material

[feral cedar]

Chasmo my beloved

[hollow flower]

The odd thing is they have a Concavenator model

[austere sparrow]

We will receive Gallimimus pretty soon but yet, I yearn for more, too.... 😔
Saurolophus and Mononykus and Saichania, oh my

[hollow flower]

But theyre missing Alti in this new wiki

[feral cedar]

this channel is not the place for this but the dev team was effectively replaced

Concavenator replaced Altispinax in this new iteration of the mod

[hollow flower]

I see I see

[ancient ibex]

The one Conca specimen is nested within larger taxa, and we have evidence of larger animals that may be close relatives from quite similar faunal units

[hollow flower]

Well that seems fairly reasonable

[feral cedar]

oh that's interesting

[austere sparrow]

Do hope that if Conca grows, it doesn't do so too much; we need more "medium size" Theropods with a degree of fame

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, separate in time, so same LINEAGE more like it

Just like we have ornithomimosaurian stuff from Wealden that points towards Pelecanimimus-like animals there

[feral cedar]

The only skeletal I can find for this fragmentary fella doesn't make it significantly larger than Concavenator

[austere sparrow]

That honestly looks smaller?

[digital pendant]

where do you even draw the line on anything tbh, devs are human and some will not want things for their own reasons

[ancient ibex]

Huh, nevermind then, had understood it as "~8 meters, 1 ton", but that'd be Paul estimates

[digital pendant]

at the end of the day its their vision of their mod, game, product, whatever it is

[feral cedar]

-# ~~ "We won't add Baryonyx cause we already have Austroraptor" is a dumb vision~~
Alright, fair enough

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to Mau seemingly just casually blocking one of the most requested cenozoic and paleozoic genera each out of personal dislike right there

I have not given up on coping about him just trolling, tho

[feral cedar]

Mau is just one developer

[ancient ibex]

Still, the point about it being nested within larger animals stands; nested within larger taxa, Allosaurs tend to have wild size fluctuance within a population

[feral cedar]

It'll take more than him to blacklist the mighty Cotylorhynchus from PK

[austere sparrow]

I don't want to single Mau out anyhow lol

[digital pendant]

He is the voice that drowns all others

[hollow flower]

Whats the cenozoic genera? I know about Coty but ive got no clue on the other one

[austere sparrow]

I do assume the devs talk to each other about this kinda stuff

[austere sparrow]

Sivatherium

[feral cedar]

Sivatherium

[hollow flower]

Oh yeah

[digital pendant]

they obviously do

[austere sparrow]

Obviously.

[hollow flower]

Very odd grudge for it

[austere sparrow]

Would be silly if they didn't.

[plush nacelle]

There is no grudge. Mau is simply playing with EZ

[feral cedar]

Mau is just trolling

[austere sparrow]

I'll believe it once the Siva/Coty update hits :V

[feral cedar]

well at least we have Prolibytherium

no these aren't two different species, these are the male and female

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Hopefully

[feral cedar]

peak weirdo

[austere sparrow]

If we do get it I think I'll live without Sivatherium tbf

I'm not a dinosaur fan; I can make due with near-identical close relatives instead of the big ticket

[feral cedar]

Congratulations, you've ascended higher than 90% of JWE fans

Thanatosdrakon and Patagotitan aren't called Hatzegopteryx and Argentinosaurus so they'll keep begging

[austere sparrow]

Sob

I am like. 60% sure Frontier is avoiding the most famoustest names in case canon adds them

Got burnt too bad by Dominion

[feral cedar]

I'm convinced Argentinosaurus is being axed for one of two reasons

[plush nacelle]

It being DLC material

[feral cedar]

1. DLC bait
2. They won't add it to the game cause to do so is to inevitably mention it's the biggest land animal ever, only to then directly go against that with the now contractually-obligated Titanosaurus

[austere sparrow]

I doubt Frontier gives a rats ass about contradicting Movie canon; considering the movies already don't give a rats ass about contradicting movie canon

[late swallow]

What the hell are these

[austere sparrow]

But also if Frontiers DLC are seeded with all the clone species their annoyingest fans have been screaming about I'll. Buy the game even slightly less

[feral cedar]

I'm pretty sure it's nigh impossible that Universal didn't come across Argentinosaurus when trying to find a giant titanosaur for their newest movie, so maybe it IS being suppressed in Titanosaurus' favor

[plush nacelle]

SA hadrosaurs, which migrated to SA at some point during late cretaceous

[austere sparrow]

Austrokritosaurs. South American Kritosaurs. Bignose Hadrosaurs from the south.

[late swallow]

I knew about Patagotitan before I knew Argentinosaurus

[austere sparrow]

I guess. I feel like Universal just ran into all the media circus around "the Titanosaur" being real and decided to add it without noticing it has a real name now (same as ARK)

Just like, what. Three, four years late?

[austere sparrow]

Damn. You're definitely the exception there

[late swallow]

FMNH had one as their front hall exhibit for a while

[feral cedar]

I'm thankful that my introduction to dinosaurs was an educational book tbh

Although that book did make me grow up thinking nodosaurs were just boring ankylosaurids

[late swallow]

Them white encyclopaedia type things?

[feral cedar]

yes but in Spanish

[late swallow]

Real

[hollow flower]

I always prefered Nodosaurs over Ankylosaurs

I think that might be due to the fact my kid brain always prefered more underrated animals

Still sort of do today

[feral cedar]

I didn't because the book had 2 nodosaurs; Polacanthus shown in a cladistic chart detailing a disgustingly summarized tree of dinosaurs

And the second one? Nodosaurus itself. Shown as just an ankylosaurid with tiny pebble armor and nothing else

[late swallow]

My favourite Ankylosaurs are Borealopelta, Sauropelta, and Euoplocephalus

[feral cedar]

"Ankylosaurus was big, covered in spikes, and had a club on its tail. Here we have Euoplocephalus, similar but with a two-headed club and spikes on its back. Pinacosaurus was smaller than Ankylosaurus and had a far rounder club. Oh, here's Nodosaurus. It has no tail club lol"

[hollow flower]

I always liked the lack of a tail club in exchange for more spikes and armor

[feral cedar]

the book didn't even MENTION Sauropelta or Edmontonia, nor it gave Polacanthus any significant attention

smh bias

[hollow flower]

Which is odd considering I actually like ankylosaurs more than stegosaurs

[austere sparrow]

I remember thinking Ankylosaurs looked very samey while Nodosaurs had more variation to them

[feral cedar]

My book is singlehandedly responsible for ingraining certain species in my brain for better or for worse

[late swallow]

[feral cedar]

A sleeper agent is activated whenever I think of Protoavis

[hollow flower]

I had a bunch of books and those usually had lots of different species in their pages

[feral cedar]

Yes, Protoavis

[hollow flower]

What I usually did was pick my favourite out of them

[austere sparrow]

Shush you :P

[late swallow]

That's Nodosaurids

[austere sparrow]

...With a t? 🤔

[left spear]

Same, i just have a brain activation when i see askeptosaurus out of all things

[late swallow]

Mistype

[feral cedar]

My dino book is pre-1993 so I knew of Deinonychus and Ornithomimus before Velociraptor and Gallimimus

[left spear]

Btw Askepto would be a nice mini

[plush nacelle]

Hyeanodon for me

[late swallow]

It's a family, thus -idae. Ankylosauria is an order, thus -ia, and there is also Ankylosauridae

[lean hound]

Askeptosaurus?

Funky looking thing

I like it

[plush nacelle]

Is that feathered pteranodon? Based

[austere sparrow]

I do not remember most of my favourites tbh. My book did have a Paleozoic section and nothing on Cenozoic stuff so it's kinda funky I ended up leaning into mammals as much as I did

[left spear]

Nice fella

[feral cedar]

this is an etymology page

[late swallow]

Pteranodonte no eres un Dinosaurio

[feral cedar]

this book also taught me about Albertosaurus as being “T. rex cousin named after the province we found it in”

[slim flare]

Why are they spelled different?

[feral cedar]

Spanish

[austere sparrow]

I do distinctly remember Kannemeyeria being in the book. Mildly silly choice

[slim flare]

I thought binomials are suppose to be universal

[left spear]

In spanish they aren't

[feral cedar]

They were common-named

[left spear]

Espinosaurio

[feral cedar]

in a sense

OH BOY

[left spear]

Double r raptors

Also Arqueopterix

[ancient ibex]

They are being used as common names

JPOG did that as well fwiw

[austere sparrow]

Espinosaurio was that cactua from monster hunter, right

[feral cedar]

Some day I want to make a PK zoo with this layout

herbivore pen in the center, six carnivore pens on the outside

[silver steeple]

Looks like an inverse of JP3 Sorna

[austere sparrow]

Deinonicus... whoa

[feral cedar]

Also this book is after the Normanpedia cause it features Baryonyx

it has cute art

[left spear]

Pretty much all th and ch are removed since they are silent in spanish

Only in case of like Huayangosaurus they stay

[austere sparrow]

I definitely have seen other books from this. Brand? Series? They're p cute

[feral cedar]

ah, classic

[left spear]

Another reason to add tenonto to the game

(Also holy that's massively oversized)

[slim flare]

PK when

[feral cedar]

for some reason this is nostalgic but it would’ve never happened in life

[austere sparrow]

That tail is something else lmao

[left spear]

Do a mega park with all the species in the book

[feral cedar]

Fun fact

I actually wrote down everything

every animal that is even as much as name dropped

lemme find it

WAIT HERE IT IS

this fuckass page made nodosaurids look lame

[left spear]

I mean no wonder there's only one with a lame ass art doing nothing

[river perch]

Wait these are fire

[feral cedar]

Only Spanish speakers like Erior and that person with the chinese name can read what it says lol

[feral cedar]

anyway lemme find the list of all species

[left spear]

Wait erior speaks spanish too?

[feral cedar]

si

he's from Spain

[left spear]

Damm there's a lot of spanish speakers here (i mean makes sense), Me, you, Erior, Narwhaler etc

[feral cedar]

oh boy this will be a wall of text

[left spear]

Anda otro de España

[feral cedar]

yo soy latino 😔

anyway

hadrosaurs: hadrosaurus, maiasaura, tsintaosaurus, corythosaurus, lambeosaurus, parasaurolophus, hypacrosaurus

ceratopsians: triceratops, pentaceratops, styracosaurus, centrosaurus, protoceratops, psittacosaurus

stegosaurs: stegosaurus, kentrosaurus

ankylosaurs: ankylosaurus, pinacosaurus, nodosaurus, euoplocephalus, polacanthus

sauropodomorphs: brachiosaurus, apatosaurus, diplodocus, cetiosaurus, camarasaurus, plateosaurus, supersaurus (under old name, ultrasaurus/ultrasauros)

misc ornithischians: echinodon, hypsilophodon, tenontosaurus, iguanodon, lesothosaurus, scelidosaurus, pachycephalosaurus, camptosaurus

large theropods: tyrannosaurus, albertosaurus, baryonyx, spinosaurus, allosaurus

small theropods: compsognathus, coelurus, ornitholestes, ornithomimus, dromiceiomimus, coelophysis

maniraptorans: deinonychus, dromaeosaurus, archaeopteryx, oviraptor, saurornithoides

marine reptiles: ichthyosaurus, elasmosaurus, plesiosaurus, mosasaurus, nothosaurus

pterosaurs: pteranodon, rhamphorhynchus, sordes

other reptiles: saltopus, protoavis, euparkeria, saltoposuchus

[digital pendant]

i can

a lot of people dont know that Spanish will try to keep a sense of consistency on words for the sake of the word being read matches phonetically

hence you get stuff like espinosaurio

[feral cedar]

By the way I'm not so sure on Dromaeosaurus and Hadrosaurus

See in Spanish Stegosaurus and Stegosauria are spelled the same way

[ancient ibex]

Wait that never came up?

[feral cedar]

I've seen references to "el Hadrosaurio" but I'm not sure if it referred to HadrosaurUS or just hadrosaurs

[left spear]

I mean you don't even need to go to Dino stuff, fútbol for example

[ancient ibex]

Either espinosaurio or sssspinosaurus lol

[digital pendant]

i love how a lot of active members are spanish speakers yet we are forced to speak the language of the pale islanders 😔

[left spear]

No lol i thought you were from like Canada or something

[digital pendant]

oh i know, i used espinosaurio as an example that better suits the server

[austere sparrow]

Now I kinda want to know the distribution of European Spanish versus American Spanish Speakers lol

[feral cedar]

And also Dromiceiomimus isn't in the book it's just offhandedly mentioned in a "for the parents" note as the fastest dinosaur

[left spear]

Probably like 60/40

Or 70/30

Atleast on regulars

[feral cedar]

The "for the parents" notes seem to be like, "Hey moms and dads, here's some fun dino facts so you can wow your kids!" and they're discretely tucked off in small text while the kids look at the pretty pictures

These notes are also the ones that make me question whether saying "el hadrosaurio" refers to hadrosaurs or Hadrosaurus

But just to be safe I put it on the list anyway

[left spear]

Like rn i know of 3 iberians including me and 3 latin americans, tho one is Warpath which might aswell not count tbh

[late swallow]

Japones, and i'm hardly a spanish speaker

[feral cedar]

It's a bit difficult cause the book is VERY unclear on this type of thing lol. It can say "Anquilosaurios" to refer to several Ankylosauruses OR to be a direct Spanish translation of saying "ankylosaurs" in reference to the larger Ankylosauria clade

[ancient ibex]

European iberian languages will often have less people than the LatAm equivalents by virtue of sheer population

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, the same can happen in english; ankylosaur can refer to a single Ankylosaurus or to any given member of Ankylosauridae or even Ankylosauria

[feral cedar]

poll jumpscare

[left spear]

Nah euskera is more spoken fr

[ancient ibex]

Touche

[feral cedar]

very true

[ancient ibex]

Castillian and Portuguese then

[feral cedar]

oh boy I found the SOLE appearance of Spinosaurus in this book

[left spear]

Actually the most spoken lenguage present in Iberia is english ☝️🤓

[late swallow]

Spain spanish and Portuguese are closer than Portuguese and Brazillian

[ancient ibex]

And borderline Galician too, between the sheer ammount of people who migrated to the Rio de la Plata region, and how certain Brazilian dialects just sound the same lol...

[ancient ibex]

Nope

[left spear]

Tbh they are so close i can't really tell, like i understand 80% of what a portugese says

[feral cedar]

BEHOLD

[austere sparrow]

Espinas!!!

[ancient ibex]

European Portuguese is a weird divergent thing that has a rythm unlike that of other romance languages, while Brazilian is conservative

[left spear]

Oh man i fear how suchomimus would be, sucomimo?

[ancient ibex]

JPOG had Triceratopos for some reason

[late swallow]

while yes, Brazil officially speaks an offshoot of portugues, the words in portugal portugues itself can more reasonably be understood by European spanish speakers