Community Species Suggestions

[hollow furnace]

Talos, Albertavenator, Saurornithoides

[ancient ibex]

Saurornithoides isn't NA tho 🙃

But I really want it ngl

[hollow furnace]

I know, triple alt split

[shell sonnet]

No what you really want is Pectinodon

[ancient ibex]

I don't think so

[shell sonnet]

I do think so

[ancient ibex]

Pectinodon is a tooth taxon that basically says "this clade was at Hell Creek too"

[glass snow]

tooth taxon

[hollow furnace]

Tooth taxa Tooth taxa, hell creek

[glass snow]

this fr

[feral cedar]

pov: you watched Prehistoric Planet

[shell sonnet]

Damnnit, jedi mind tricks don't work over the internet

[shell sonnet]

It's in PP?

[ancient ibex]

Prehistoric Planet was good at representing biodiversity, but the name fixation paleo fans have leads to weird declarations of favouriteness

[glass snow]

yeah

[ancient ibex]

Hunting "Stigynetta"

[shell sonnet]

I confess I have not watched most of PP

[late swallow]

I haven't watched any of it

[ancient ibex]

Easy to solve, Apple TV's free trial is easy to exploit

[glass snow]

which is funny as php has stuff like the mongolian titan

[ancient ibex]

And that's neat

"Giant titanosaur was here"

[late swallow]

Not everyone has time or energy to sit and watch series

[glass snow]

but people obsessed

[feral cedar]

I swear most of the PHP requests here are solely because of PHP

[glass snow]

over names

[ancient ibex]

Better than arguing on the internet lol

[glass snow]

barbidactylus longrich taxon 💀

[shell sonnet]

Is that not what we are doing

[ancient ibex]

That's why taxo-centric papers are just pretensions of opinion

[late swallow]

Isn't every paper taxo-centric?

[ancient ibex]

Barbaridactylus is neat in that it showed nyctosaurs surviving to the K-Pg, same as Tethydraco for pteranodontids

[glass snow]

also it is martill taxon 💀 💀

[ancient ibex]

But, if you want those clades represented, go with Nyctosaurus and Pteranodon

[glass snow]

like it is a cool animal which shows nyctosaurs and kin survived to the K-Pg

but name wise and fossil wise it is nothing.

but it is cool showing maastrichtian diversity

[feral cedar]

Pteranodon > Tethydraco
Nyctosaurus > Barbaridactylus
Quetz lawsoni > Phosphatodraco

[hollow flower]

Pretty much

[glass snow]

this

[hollow flower]

Still really weird how jwe2 added Barbari instead of nycto

[shell sonnet]

PP

[glass snow]

The dlc was released like around php

[shell sonnet]

is probably the answer

[hollow flower]

Like genuinely

[glass snow]

I have this conspiracy theory that it was a last minute edit to some other pterosaur

[shell sonnet]

Then again, Late K is probably the worst selling DLC

[glass snow]

they saw the femboy barbi memes and popularity of it during php and wanted in on the action.

[late swallow]

Kek

[late swallow]

I'm sorry, the what

[slim flare]

D-dubious 😳

[glass snow]

the sneaky male barbi memes

[feral cedar]

Elasmosaurus > Tuarangisaurus
Tylosaurus > Kaikaifilu
Albertosaurus > Nanuqsaurus
Citipati > Corythoraptor
Euoplocephalus > Anodontosaurus

[glass snow]

there was scene in the doucmentary where there is male barbi who instead of fighting has a smaller crest and acts as female mimic like ruffs

[late swallow]

Tylo is a v good choice, I'd even take it over mosa

[slim flare]

Shoutout to WWD for just not declaring species sometimes

[glass snow]

Garter snakes or cuttlefish for ruffs fun fact female ruff birds are possibly attracted to male homosexuality. And males who mount faeders the female mimic ruffs mount them as they do with other males. Implying they know faeders are males.

[slim flare]

Humans also do that

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, M. hoffmanni or T. proriger is a good Mosasaur rep

[glass snow]

some species have different types of males like ruffs and side blotched lizards. Side blotch lizards each male uses its own strategy yellows are sneakers, reds are agressive and live in harems and blue are chill and tend to look after one female.

[late swallow]

Wouldn't be opposed to attenboroughsaurus, depending on its preservation

[glass snow]

Though female side blotches seemling prefer males with colors that are rarer that year.

[shell sonnet]

the fossil is gone but the cast is pretty good

though I wouldn't go with it given there are better pilosaur reps

[glass snow]

i’d like rhomaleosaurus more ngl

[late swallow]

Let me guess, Munich, 1944?

[ancient ibex]

Corythoraptor is likely Citipati's direct descendant anyway

[shell sonnet]

actually u-boat torpedoed its transport ship in '41 or '42

[late swallow]

Close enough

[glass snow]

rhomaleosaurus is more unique, more complete and fits the basal pliosaur guy well. At least I think rhomaleosaurus is a basal pliosaur.

[ancient ibex]

At times, at others it is earlier diverging

Still, good choice

[shell sonnet]

Geosaurus giganteus or Dakosaurus maximus
Ichthyosaurus communis/anningae
Pleisosaurus dolichodeirus
Kronosaurus queenslandicus
Mosasaurus hoffmanni or Tylosaurus proriger
Dunkleosteus terrelli
Basilosaurus cetoides
Leedsichthys problematicus
Pterygotus grandidentatus or Jaekelopterus rhenaniae
Parapuzosia seppenradensis

Minis
One species of Aspidorhynchus
Gebrayelichthys uyenoi
Henodus chelyops or Psephoderma alpinum
Stethacanthus productus
Tullimonstrum gregarium

That covers quite a bit of diversity

[outer moth]

EZ learns consequences for spamming random species names (Circa 2025, Colorized)

[glass snow]

I’d add like like megalodon and another cetacean

[shell sonnet]

I'm going by the logic that the max is ten

[glass snow]

maybe some “mid sized fish” like xiphacto

[ancient ibex]

If it were to me, for plesiosaurs I'd go with Plesiosaurus, Rhomaleosaurus, Pliosaurus, Elasmosaurus, Aristonectes, Dolichorhynchops

Total, down the line

[slim flare]

Cryptoclidus…

[shell sonnet]

I like Xiphacto and Elasmo amongst others, but I don't have room for them

[late swallow]

Benson & Druckenmiller (2014) has it outside of Pliosauridae

[ancient ibex]

Cryptoclidus and Leptocleidus are cool too

[shell sonnet]

Pilosaurus over Krono, shame on you

[glass snow]

Yeah this a good list maybe liopleurodon because smaller plio and because of wwd. With plio or krono for true big guy

[ancient ibex]

Pliosaurus covers with multiple species quite a bit of Thalassophonean diversity ngl

[glass snow]

plio or krono I’d don’t care which is added they both would be good choices.

[late swallow]

Dunk is obvious - what do you think of O. megalodon joining the fray?

[glass snow]

plio has a lot of species.

[short rover]

You gotta have meg imo

[ancient ibex]

The thing with Plio is that it is an in-between Lio and Krono in most regards

And the different species cover the size range

[shell sonnet]

not a fan but am I already at my ten animal limit anyway

[short rover]

Not having Meg is like not having a mosa

[late swallow]

Obliquis is also an option

[shell sonnet]

Meg is just "big shark" to me, sorry I think that's boring

[short rover]

T. rex is just “big theropod” to me

Like cmon it’s one of the most iconic extinct species ever

[glass snow]

it is a cool animal and big shark is the point. It is like saying rex is big theropod

[waxen grail]

Cave bear is just “big bear”

[shell sonnet]

Rather get Helicorpon or Aquilomops first for shark like animals

[ancient ibex]

Also, single mosa and single ichthyo are disservices lol

[shell sonnet]

I don't really care for that either

[glass snow]

rex and meg are like extremely popular and meg is not just a big shark it had cool ecology

[glass snow]

this

[late swallow]

That's reasonable honesty

[glass snow]

icthys especially

[shell sonnet]

big therapods don't exisit anymore, sharks do

[glass snow]

like no shoni, no temnodonto

[ancient ibex]

Shoni Ichthyo Eurhino Temnodonto Ophthalmo

[late swallow]

Leedsichthys

[shell sonnet]

Once again, my list is trying to make the most with a ten animal limit

[waxen grail]

Depends on if you consider an Ostrich big

[ancient ibex]

Ostriches are by definition megafauna

[short rover]

I’d kick Leeds out for Meg in a heartbeat

Even tho I like Leeds

[glass snow]

I like leeds but meg before it

[waxen grail]

Which definition?

[shell sonnet]

they're massive enough

[glass snow]

you can’t have an aquatic pack with out meg really these days.

like yes it is a big shark but it is THE big shark

[shell sonnet]

I can and would

[ancient ibex]

The 2 ostrich species are the sole clear megafaunal living birds; emus, both northern and southern cassowaries, and the emperor penguin skirt the line with individual variation

[late swallow]

I still stand by C. granulata and/or M. gigas

[short rover]

C and M being?

[waxen grail]

Thanks

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/gmail-dog-explode-epic-ai-gif-8084634080600183106

[glass snow]

I could see mosa and meg getting four skins despite meg being a shark. Like one brownish grayish, one whitetip laterl striped skin and one blue skin and an alt.

[ancient ibex]

More than a single Otodus species

[glass snow]

Yeah there are a lot

[waxen grail]

Tylosaurus has plenty of species for use as alts

[glass snow]

like a skin like this I really want

shark sharks may be dull especially pelagics but there is suprisingly a lot to work with.

with patterns

[waxen grail]

Mosasaurus has a few species too

[shell sonnet]

Look if I want a shark like animal, I'll throw my support on Aquilolamna milarcae or Helicoprion bessonowi

[late swallow]

Ichthyosaurus with dolphin and whale skins

[late swallow]

Helico my disaster child

[glass snow]

the “colorful” meg skin could be like this

[glass snow]

You can have both but meg is like rex

it would be in the top ten of species added

realistically

[short rover]

First meg hater I’ve come across

[shell sonnet]

Not hate, just thinks it's overrated

[short rover]

“Erm it’s just a big shark” yeah? And? It’s badass as hell it’s a 60 foot long shark that’s cool and that’s why people like it!

[short rover]

I mean you’re entitled to your opinion

Just think it’s odd

[glass snow]

it is like hating rex ngl

[short rover]

No prehistoric animal is overrated imo

[glass snow]

like a large generalist species not even genus if shark which lasted a stupidly long time and was the apex predator of its repesctive ecosystem

also was a otodontid species which are a family of fully extinct lamniformes sharks

[outer moth]

Wasn't Meg more of a whale specialist?

[glass snow]

recent studies show it was generalist

and had a broad diet

it did eat whales though

[outer moth]

Maybe even ate marine sloths

[shell sonnet]

Look "living animal but bigger" is a type I prefer to avoid at the moment. If we got over say 25 marine animals, then yeah, I think Otodus delivers a slot. But we're not there yet at all. We don't know how PK much support will get after launch. And if I'm forced to select only ten animals for the marine list, I'm sorry but "big shark" doesn't pass

[outer moth]

Why not have "living animal but smaller"?

(Pls Madagascan hippo)

[shell sonnet]

That would be part of the recently extinct pack, and I'm more relaxed there about size mostly because there's not a lot of good options

[outer moth]

Easily could replace SSC too

[feral cedar]

holy shit we're all megafauna

[feral cedar]

what would you consider to be an appropriate mosasaur roster

[late swallow]

You're entitled to your wrong opinion

[steep tulip]

We should have hoplitomeryx

Its needed at this point
Game can't keep going

Without hoplitomeryx

[low bridge]

Synthetoceras, Syndyoceras,Kyptoceras ALSO

[late swallow]

To Wikipedia I go

Those are nifty

[ancient ibex]

Mosa and Tylo already represent insane diversity due to parallel evo; a small halisaur would work well, and ttbt Phosphatosaurus brings more to the table than Halisaurus. Plioplatecarpus then fills the size range in between and has a different approach to mobility. Aigialosaurus as a mini also works well.

[shell sonnet]

Phosphatosaurus isn't a mosasaur, do you mean Phosphorosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Derp, thanks!

Friggin phosphorous beds

[austere sparrow]

Megalodon sucks. Just a modern species but larger. And it is kind of bad anyway? Like. It didn't live with anything but marine reptiles and fish, but it'd have to be a mini exhibit or even exhibit decoration. It is probably the most complete animal I've seen in suggestions yet, so that's good. But no, I am going full crabbucket veto. If Megalodon, that stupid fucking Jurassic clam, gets ingame, I am refunding the game.

🦪

...Jokes aside tho, I am definitely not a fan of Megalodon the shark either

This might be a shock to our more juvenile members, but not all of us are preoccupied with the giantest carnivores evaaaah, lack of interesting features be damned

[ancient ibex]

Otodus megalodon being differently shaped from your average chunky lamnid makes it more interesting, going by a recent paper

[waxen grail]

Megalodon clam would be a good exhibit decoration/mini exhibit
For the sole reason that it is a clam

[austere sparrow]

Long Megalodon is a funky shape which is like. Neat.
But I still do not really care for it

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, memes aside, I would definitely not mind Megalodon (clam)

Although wasn't long Megalodon replaced by a Sandtiger like condition recently, too...?

I do like Sandtigers but a sandtiger the size of a truck would just look stupid

[waxen grail]

I feel like any reconstruction of Megalodon shouldn’t just be a scaled up modern shark

[austere sparrow]

Damn, don't let the Megalodon fans hear that one

[ancient ibex]

It IS a modern shark

Unlike stuff like Hybodus, which is less of a shark than rays are, or Helicoprion or Stethacanthus, which are ratfish line animals

Otodus is a clear lamniform

[shell sonnet]

wish we had Aquilolamna's teeth

[flint sable]

not to mention that we can barely house great whites or even makos ethically in captivity for more than a few months

[austere sparrow]

Damn, I didn't realize the fact that Otodus as a genus survived until recently meant it was identical to a different shark, but bigger Are all Otodus species identical to the same modern shark genus or does it wary from species to species?

[flint sable]

Otodus is taxonomically speaking a modern shark

in that it clades with 90% of modern sharks and isnt particularly basal

[austere sparrow]

Reading comprehension is a skill that can be honed with practice

[flint sable]

despite having existed since slightly after the KPG iirc?

[flint sable]

so housing megalodon ingame would be unrealistic for one, but thats not that big of an issue, but I think a lot of people would struggle to make good habitats for one

I think I would for sure anyway

[late swallow]

They literally commit toaster

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, but it is wasted if spent on your snide comments

[glass snow]

no otodus just is a true shark

a true crown group lamniformes they are all extinct.

[ancient ibex]

I mean, that applies to the tiger shark as well, by the looks of it

[glass snow]

they coexisted with modern clades

During the cenozoic like many of the sharks we have today coexisted in some form with meg. It is true crown group shark unlike hybodus and heli.

true sharks appeared in the jurassic

[toxic oriole]

Oh my peak

[glass snow]

meg is an extinct lamniforme shark from an extinct family

[toxic oriole]

Didnt know sharks could look like that

[short rover]

No need to be a dick about it

[austere sparrow]

With an outlook like that, it's no wonder you keep stepping into this many rakes

[ancient ibex]

Cetoxyrhina and Otodus are closer to white sharks (makos and porbeagles inclusive) than any other living shark

[glass snow]

no lemon shark and thats very debatable

[late swallow]

It's just factually incorrect

[short rover]

It’s not but okay

[glass snow]

they probably had body similar to lamididae their closet relatives but meg specfically may have had a rorqual esc body

being longer but still great white esc like blue whales are long

[toxic oriole]

Remind me again, the Sand Tiger Shark is the closest living relative of the only living Mitsurkinidae representative, the Goblin Shark, right?

[short rover]

You can’t be factually correct or incorrect about how much a prehistoric animal is liked and whether or not it deserves it and if you think you can be…uh touch grass I guess

[glass snow]

sand tigers aren’t that related to meg and have a different ecology to meg.

[flint sable]

iirc no

goblins are the sister group to all the other lamniformes

[toxic oriole]

I wonder why people say they are closely related then

Could it just be that similar jaw thing?

[austere sparrow]

Damn seems like nobody else here reads papers on boring old "Big Shark" either

[ancient ibex]

Lame

[glass snow]

And would have different proportions. Meg would look like true lamnididae sharks maybe longer

[glass snow]

I do I like sharks

I read papers on them and meg is a cool animal

[slim flare]

Damn, so much salt and a I’m not even involved

[toxic oriole]

Ironically salty cuz... Y'know

[glass snow]

Meg being big shark is cool.

[toxic oriole]

Saltwater talk

[waxen grail]

I don’t know any lamnididae that are over 11m long…
Whale sharks maybe

[ancient ibex]

Upscaled great white is meh, but the animal appears to be more interesting than that

[toxic oriole]

I'm pretty sure Whale Sharks arent lamniformes

[austere sparrow]

Stepping on rakes is indeed pretty lame, and entirely preventable lol. Not like you only do it around me either, so your claimed "Nyeeh I just don't like to read your mean mean comments" doesn't really check out either 😔

[glass snow]

Also megs ecology, body shape, taxonomy, and lifestyle was pretty unique

[flint sable]

whale sharks arent lamniformes no

[ancient ibex]

Whale sharks are carpet sharks I believe

[glass snow]

whale sharks aren’t lamnids

[waxen grail]

Ok

[glass snow]

yes they are I think

[toxic oriole]

I'm not sure if the Basking Shark is a lamniforme, so correct me if I'm wrong

[ancient ibex]

It is, closest living relative of lamnids

[flint sable]

megalodon would be recognizabley a lamniforme shark

[austere sparrow]

Was about to ask about Basking Sharks too. Not sure they get above 10m long either tho

[waxen grail]

So no over 11m lamniformes unless Basking shark is

[toxic oriole]

And how long can Basking Sharks get?

Whats the longest known Basking Shark?

[flint sable]

it would look a bit different sure

[ancient ibex]

(lamnids, white sharks, true mackerel sharks; great whites, makos and porbeagles)

Eh

[flint sable]

but it would look like one

just a lot bigger

[ancient ibex]

It would lack the nictating membrane, bonafide lamniform

Wouldn't look weirder than goblins or megamouths

[austere sparrow]

I feel like yall are having enough fun talking about Big Shark that the discussion would survive moving to #science-chat at this point

[late swallow]

There are only 3 extant genera of Lamnids

[flint sable]

ok jesus apparently the largest ever recorded basking shark was 12.27 meters long

[austere sparrow]

So. Shoo, shoo. Scram, kids

[glass snow]

Meg is like big lamnid though possibly from a recent study could have had a longer body rorqual esc

think of blue whales and sperm whales

though that is heavily debateable

[short rover]

Fish size range be silly

[glass snow]

either way meg is a cool animal

[waxen grail]

Move to science chat please

[toxic oriole]

How about some Extinct Freshwater Sharks?

[ancient ibex]

And sharks are about the most K-strategist fish and are born large, but, if given room to grow, they WILL grow

[toxic oriole]

If any have been found

[waxen grail]

This is species suggestions

[glass snow]

also it is mentioned in pk multiple times in merch and in staff application

[ancient ibex]

Which would be cool for PK fish

They keep growing

[austere sparrow]

Extinct Freshwater Sharks are cool. I believe Orthacanthus was a freshwater shork?

[toxic oriole]

So there are some Extinct Freshwater Sharks

[short rover]

There’s lots of prehistoric freshwater sharks

[toxic oriole]

Which of them are the most popular and well known?

[glass snow]

theres a lot though not all are true crown group sharks

[austere sparrow]

Probably Orthacanthus on account of that being the first one that jumped to mind for me

[short rover]

Uhhh I guess onchopristis is technically a ray so

[toxic oriole]

And rays are the closest relatives to all sharks

[glass snow]

Xenacanthida are fun

[austere sparrow]

Orthacanthus is less famous these days but I believe it was a mainstay-ish around the pre-dinosaur renaissance era...?

[feral cedar]

Mosasaurus
Tylosaurus
Halisaurine
Plioplatecarpine

hmmm

[glass snow]

they survived the permian fun fact and one species is in chinle

Fun fact they are not crown group sharks

[short rover]

I’d be fine with one species of mosa in base game but further down the line I wouldn’t mind seeing something like tylo, globidens, phosphoro and plotosaurus

[feral cedar]

I'd personally swap out the Plioplatecarpus for the absolute crunchster Globidens

[glass snow]

though I call them sharks as are hybodontids as if they were alive today I’d imagine they’d be classed as sharks and rays in that timeline would be sharks

rays are closer to sharks than they are to sharks

[feral cedar]

And Aigialosaurus is neat but I think Dallasaurus could be a better smol mosasaur

[glass snow]

maybe globidens or a similar cruncher.

[feral cedar]

Mosasaurus
Tylosaurus
Phosphorosaurus
Globidens
Dallasaurus

[toxic oriole]

Are there any known Mosasaurs that were found in trench-like environments?

[glass snow]

no

[short rover]

No ploto is unfortunate, he’s underrated

[glass snow]

that is too deep for even whales

[short rover]

No because they need to breathe air

[glass snow]

Like their deeper sea mosasaurs and plesiosaurs

[feral cedar]

Plotosaurus to me is the yin-yang of Cymbospondylus ngl

[glass snow]

abyssosaurus is a plesiosaur adapted for deep water but none could survive in a trench

[short rover]

Yep. Mosa trying to be an icthyosaur fr

[glass snow]

or that deep they breathe air

[glass snow]

oh yeah cymbo would be neat

[austere sparrow]

I love some utterly random smaller Mosasaurs (Platecarpus, Globidens, Phosphorosaurus etc) but I feel like only Mosasaurus or Tylosaurus at first might honestly be enough, since marine crocs and some of the popular Ichthyosaurs kinda fill a similar niche while having a similar body structure

[feral cedar]

I'd rather get a large ichthyosaur like Temnodontosaurus than a Cymbospondylus because cymbo is just an ichthyosaur that looks like a mosasaur

The same goes for Plotosaurus

I'd rather get another large mosasaur like Tylosaurus instead of Plotosaurus cause ploto is just a mosasaur that looks like an ichthyosaur

[short rover]

I agree, I said before is honestly be fine with just mosa in the base game considering how many cool marine reptiles in so many different clades there are

[austere sparrow]

I would absolutely love some weirdos down the line too tho like uh. What was that one trying to be a humpback whale called again

[glass snow]

I’d make pteranodon and mosa as base games

they would also have 4 skins

[shell sonnet]

Okay serious question for everyone: you've got ten slots for marine animals. Fill them in

[toxic oriole]

Only reason I asked about "Deepwater Mosasaurs" was because of Prognathodon n such

Some game has em spawn directly inside a trench biome

[feral cedar]

1. Mosasaurus
2. Plesiosaurus
3. Ichthyosaurus
4. Elasmosaurus
5. Temnodontosaurus
6. Globidens
7. Basilosaurus
8. Literally any thalattosuchian
9. Archelon
10. Hesperornis

[ancient ibex]

They would 100% have developed that shape if they didn't go extinct 25 million years after going to sea

[short rover]

Archelon
Basilosaurus
Dunkleosteus
Elasmosaurus
Ichthyosaurus
Mosasaurus
Otodus
Pliosaurus
Dakosaurus
Jaekelopterus

[toxic oriole]

Oh dear

[short rover]

Yep

[flint sable]

1. Archelon
   2, Adopodentatus
2. Plesiosaurus
3. Hesperornis (or literally any extinct penguin)
4. Itchthyosaurus
5. Dunkelosteus
6. Mosasaurus
7. Dorudon
8. Jaekelopterus
9. Pliosaurus

[glass snow]

mine is basically the same maybe replace one with parapuzosia

[flint sable]

tried to avoid big things since most zoos do not have large marine animals for a reason

[short rover]

Sad I had to cut him

[toxic oriole]

Alright I'll go for a devonian theme of marine animals

[glass snow]

I just want a cephalopod

[flint sable]

touche whoever said that and then immediately deleted it

touche

[feral cedar]

it depends on how we define 'big animals' in this context

[short rover]

I tried including at least one big marine invertebrate tho I could have easily chosen another marine reptile

[feral cedar]

I think that maybe a zoo would have a singular large mosasaur as the 'star attraction'

[flint sable]

something that would fit the cetacean archetype

anything smaller is what I would priorotize over big stuff

[glass snow]

I think pk will have unrealistic marine animals as it is literally implied in the staff log

[flint sable]

since anything larger than that becomes extremely expensive to keep

[flint sable]

they definitely will and I dont see a problem with that

[glass snow]

also pk has stuff like sauropods would would be an upkeep nightmare

[ancient ibex]

I grow weary of "no cetaceans in zoo games" crap surrounding Planet Zoo

Gimme my whales in virtual tanks

[short rover]

Limiting your roster to realistic marine choices is a fools errand tbh

[flint sable]

I personally just dont see myself using them hence why I didnt include them on my list of 10

[glass snow]

I never really liked that as I don’t think people who don’t like cetaceans in facilities would play a zoo game

[flint sable]

I dont see a problem with them being added I just personally wouldnt use them since I like to build realistically

[glass snow]

if I made a zoo game I would make it unrealistic and have sperm whales and stuff

[glass snow]

your limited to minis at that point really

[short rover]

Yeah pretty much

[feral cedar]

you now know the pain of Minecraft players not receiving any charismatic megafauna because Mojang gaslights themselves into thinking their game actually might make kids think incorrect thinks about wild animals

[glass snow]

no sharks because endangered pisses me off

[austere sparrow]

Ten Marine slots Lets go:
(Utterly self indulgent Wishlist version):
Aristonectes, Serpentosuchops, Platecarpus, Megapterygius, Perucetus, Atopodentatus, Leptocleidus, Styxosaurus, Dinocephalosaurus, Pezosiren
(Animals that realistically have an actual chance to be included version)
Basilosaurus, Plesiosaurus, Shonisaurus, Tylosaurus, Nothosaurus, Ichthyosaurus, Orthoceras, Jaekolopterus, Dorudon, Cymbospondylus

[short rover]

Realistically I think a very small mosasaur (within the 4 meter range) is about all a zoo could handle irl

[feral cedar]

it goes beyond that

[waxen grail]

Tylosaurus
Ichthyosaurus
Plesiosaurus
Liopleurodon
Cambrian aquatic invertebrates
Basilosaurus
Shonisaurus
My list of marine animals off the top of my head

[flint sable]

iirc the reason no sharks there were was because they dont want to add hostile IRL mobs

[glass snow]

because you added giant saltwater axolotls who kill laser guardians

[glass snow]

silverfish

[flint sable]

thats entirely fair

but the silverfish ingame also look absolutely nothing like IRL silverfish

[glass snow]

literally destroys that point all of minecrafts animal mobs are unrealistic

[flint sable]

although you can definitely make an arguement for spiders

[glass snow]

goats drop horns

spiders are neutral

[waxen grail]

I was surprised silverfish are real

[glass snow]

just hostile in dark

and at night

but this is off topic

[flint sable]

mhm

[feral cedar]

if Mojang adds an animal that can be dangerous to a person they're afraid of two things. If they make it neutral/passive they think it'll teach kids that it's safe to approach it so they'll do something reckless. If they make it dangerous they think that this'll teach kids that they MUST go kill the animals IRL

this is stupid

my point is, video games shouldn't limit themselves

[flint sable]

last thing, they could just add like a passive shark or something

[glass snow]

but limiting your roster especially for an animal game with dinosaurs like sauropods is just limiting

[feral cedar]

PK should add as many giant aquatic animals as they want

[flint sable]

like a nurse shark or basically any carpet shark

[glass snow]

most of the extinct fish we know of in the past are pelagic or would not do well in captivity

[feral cedar]

Ichthyosaurus would do well though right

[glass snow]

You are not keeping a xiphactinus or a mosasaurus or most plesiosaurs

[glass snow]

possibly it depends

[short rover]

We have no idea

[shell sonnet]

there are some open ocean fish in aquariums though, but they're work less well than kelp forest and coral reef animals

[glass snow]

Actually if I look at most peoples list none of animals could be kept or we would never know

[feral cedar]

well duh

but like

[austere sparrow]

If Ichthyosaurs are deep sea divers, they probably wouldn't do well. If Ichthyosaurs are nocturnal, they'd probably do okay

[feral cedar]

Ichthyosaurus are basically reptilian dolphins

we have dolphins in captivity

so

[glass snow]

socially no

[short rover]

Iirc we have evidence ichtyosaurs probably weren’t social and were pretty nasty

[feral cedar]

I know

[short rover]

So not really

[austere sparrow]

Ichthyosaurs do have those gigantic eyes that indicate they thrive in low-light conditions

[feral cedar]

I mean like

in the context of size and shit

[short rover]

They kinda just look vaguely dolphin like and are similar in size

[glass snow]

Size doesn’t matter really for species

[feral cedar]

we have the means to keep dolphins in captivity so we probably can also keep Ichthyosaurus

[austere sparrow]

Ichthyosaurs and Sharks and Dolphins, oh my

[glass snow]

we struggle to keep sea snakes in captivity and ceratin turtle species.

you are not having a leatherback in captivity

[shell sonnet]

not all dolphins though

[short rover]

Well it does eventually, I don’t think any aquarium would wanna house a 30 foot xiphactinus etc

[feral cedar]

hey so uh

[shell sonnet]

narwhals are complete messes

[austere sparrow]

I feel like Ichthys would do better than dolphins in captivity... Again. Assuming they don't do deep sea diving.

[feral cedar]

if ichthys are nocturnal

then..

[glass snow]

I meant for small animals

[feral cedar]

how do they sleep

[glass snow]

big animals yes it does matter

but even a small icthyosaur might just die

[shell sonnet]

pretty sure we do keep Hydrophis platurus in aquariums

[short rover]

One ichthy was maybe nocturnal, as a whole I don’t most were

[feral cedar]

Ichthyosaurus itself

[austere sparrow]

They have massive eyes, mostly? Adaption to low light conditions?

[short rover]

I don’t think we have any evidence it was nocturnal

[short rover]

Ophthalmo does I believe

[toxic oriole]

1. Dunkleosteus
2. Antarctilamna
3. Cladoselache
4. Icthyostega
5. Orthaceras
6. Hynerpeton
7. Titanicthys
8. Phacops
9. Ptyctodus
10. Pagea

Devonian theme by the way

[short rover]

But I hadn’t heard that about ichthy itself

[feral cedar]

okay but if we assume that Ichthyosaurus was nocturnal then does that mean it slept during the day

[austere sparrow]

I guess they could just do that thing dolphins do where they're just always awake and use their large eyes bcuz they didn't evolve sonar/jacobsens organ or whatever it was called

...Well. Technically dolphins still sleep just like

Only with half of their brain at a time

[hollow furnace]

Potentially

[glass snow]

for prehistoric animals one they are dead captivity is irrelevant in a game with cloned dinosaurs. Many of the aquatic charistmastic creatures and ones which would be full roaming are animals which probably would die in captivity or not do well

[short rover]

Idk why we would assume that but IF we did I’d guess they’d just do half sleeps? Like how cetaceans do

[feral cedar]

Now I have many questions about how marine reptiles slept

[shell sonnet]

closing their eyes

[glass snow]

Depends

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[short rover]

tbf dolphins don’t so do we know that?

[austere sparrow]

I mean its either half sleep or waking up every time they get close to needing to breathe

[glass snow]

some sleep like dolphins other just sleep. Also some cetaceans like physter do sleep vertically.

so who knows

[steep tulip]

Reptiles slower metabolism means that they can hold their breath for longer tbh

[glass snow]

if we have large cloned dinosaurs in pk we shouldn’t limit ourselves like pz.

[steep tulip]

So maybe they did something like sea turtles do

[open heron]

They had no issue adding camels as passive so I suspect there's more to it than meets the eye.

[steep tulip]

Also true for sea snakes

[flint sable]

foxes too

[steep tulip]

So its possible they just slept at the bottom

[short rover]

Yeah it’s not like a sauropod herd is realistic to house either lol

[open heron]

Like as what i'd expect or what i'd want?

[glass snow]

I like marine biology and plan to go into that field. Studying for it. I don’t care if its inaccurate to marine animal husbandry irl I just want marine animals in a dinosaur game.

[austere sparrow]

Mojang is really funny for getting their panties in a twist about their impact on animal behavior knowledge AFTER they already added friggin polar bears

[shell sonnet]

either or

[steep tulip]

Mojang lies

[flint sable]

theres a slight difference between sauropods and cetaceans I think though

[feral cedar]

my personal theory is it's just an excuse they use when they can't be assed

[open heron]

Foxes aren't as likely to acutally kill you as camels are if they attack.

[open heron]

I think one of the devs has severe Galaeophobia honestly.

[steep tulip]

The frog thing was just and excuse because they didn't want to say that the way they were adding fireflies was lowkey pretty bad

[flint sable]

since you can build an infinitely larger enclosure for sauropods than you can build a highly specialized lagoon for marine animals

[glass snow]

Sauropods are just order of magnitude bigger than many animals and the feed costs and land needed for one

[steep tulip]

The shark thing wasn't even stated by a dev

[short rover]

Didn’t really have cetaceans in mind but broadly they’re both incredibly impractical or impossible to house so I don’t see a meaningful distinction

[glass snow]

would be insane.

[open heron]

I'll do both then

[flint sable]

definitely both are impractical to house but sauropods less so

[glass snow]

like it would hard to make an enclosure for like an argentinosaurus

[ancient ibex]

We have living marine reptiles tho

[low bridge]

Tbh Siva can go with Bramatherium and Shansitherium

[feral cedar]

this reminds me of the old Fossils and Archeology mod for Minecraft where one of the developers was viciously against Euoplocephalus being in the mod for personal reasons

[flint sable]

especially since if you have a big enough enclosure, sauropods could in theory just eat trees for most of their diet, no?

[short rover]

I mean sure but my point is they’re both impossible irl so we shouldn’t limit ourselves to what we deem “realistic”

[short rover]

They’d strip an enclosure within like 3 days

[feral cedar]

...okay, I'm gonna look up how sea turtles and snakes sleep

[glass snow]

Sea turtles at least sleep underwater

[short rover]

Generously

[steep tulip]

So do sea snakes

[ancient ibex]

There is also penguins

[steep tulip]

They can keep their breath and sleep for like a hour or two

[ancient ibex]

Which are warm blooded and spend months at sea

[shell sonnet]

You could do what we do for certain animals, keep them while they're young and easy to manage and then when they get too big release them in the wild/cut them up and serve them in hot dogs

[steep tulip]

Actually idk how many hours they sleep

[ancient ibex]

Sea turtles can use their ass as a gill fwiw

(won booze at a pub quiz with that)

[steep tulip]

Insane

[glass snow]

snappers can live under ice for a stupid amount of time because of that

[ancient ibex]

Penguins take quick naps I believe

[glass snow]

Like them and painteds can just live under the ice

in the winter

[steep tulip]

Sea turtles kinda weird as sea reptiles because their entire anatomy evolved around them needing to go to land and lay a shitton of eggs

[glass snow]

peak animals the ass breathers

[glass snow]

but they can spend like most of their lives underwater

[steep tulip]

Yep
Males do at least

[glass snow]

which is funny to me. Snappers to.

[ancient ibex]

Just like pinnipeds and penguins

[glass snow]

This too

[shell sonnet]

those all spend more time on land though to raise their young

[glass snow]

sleeps can rest underwater

and occasionally nap underwater

[open heron]

Expectations:

• Mosasaurus
• Plesiosaurus
• Ichthyosaurus
• Dunkleosteus
• Otodus (megalodon/obliquus)
• Kronosaurus
• Helicoprion
• Basilosaurus
• Shonisaurus (popularis/I. severensis)
• Archelon

Ideal:

• Temnodontosaurus
• Platecarpus
• Kronosaurus
• Basilosaurus
• Zarafasaura
• Ichthyosaurus
• Helicoprion
• Livyatan
• Trinacromerum (T. bentonianum/P. latipinnis/D. osborni)
• Parapuzosia

[steep tulip]

Yeah
But comparatively seals and penguins do spend a considerable amount of time on land
Sea turtles just stay at sea and just go there to lay eggs
(Except some subpopulations that actively basks on land)
Probably why they didn't diversify all that much tbh

[glass snow]

they didn’t need to really. Not also species groups diversify into many different forms

turtles are good being turtles so that shape ended up staying

[austere sparrow]

Zarafasaura... ❤️

[short rover]

I love Zarafa

[glass snow]

Like some are durophagous specialists(hawksbills), soft bodied specalists(leatherbacks) and grazers(greens)

[short rover]

Would kill for it to be in a dlc one day

[open heron]

Zarafa has my favourite skull of any animal ever I can't lie

[glass snow]

zarafa is peak

[short rover]

Valid take

[glass snow]

another plesio I want is abysso because it head is also cool

[short rover]

Zarafa, fluvio, abysso, aristo, so many peak plesiosaur options

[glass snow]

but zarafa has just aura to put it nicely

[steep tulip]

True, tho they had more than one chance to
But the fact that they survived the kpg and are still alive today, just tells me they did something right lol

[short rover]

Or they were lucky

Probably a combo of both but

[glass snow]

they also still occupy different niches and I pointed earlier

each species is adapted for its own food

[feral cedar]

what if Ichthyosaurus slept like this

[austere sparrow]

Zarafasaura is gonna become semiaquatic Sivatherium and we'll all have a big long cry about it when EZ brings it up near Mau and he shoots it down

[austere sparrow]

...Why did I write semiaquatic, it's fully aquatic lmao

[steep tulip]

I mean
Its always kinda both
But it wasn't just luck imo
Tuatara is kinda in that position, turtles still are in the vast majority of the globe

[glass snow]

on the topic of weird aquatic mammals desmostylians

[steep tulip]

So like they did find a mild success

[flint sable]

tuataras basically retired

[steep tulip]

Even if rn they aren't doing so hot

[flint sable]

they were pretty common througought the mesozoic and essentially retired to new zealand, they had done their part

untill rats showed up and screwed them over tuataras were doing pretty well there

[steep tulip]

Nz tuataras are weird

[flint sable]

they still are actually doing pretty good population wise just not in terms of range

[glass snow]

tuataras are funny.

[steep tulip]

They have like one of the fastest evolution rates of any animal

[ancient ibex]

Gotta keep making sure the thing that works stays the same

[feral cedar]

Is there anything unique about Zarafasaura

[flint sable]

apparently their population is anywhere from 60,003 to 100,001 individuals

[steep tulip]

And their skull is all fucked up compared to the original rhyncocephalian condition

[glass snow]

like one lone last species of a clade who lives on a isolated island.

[flint sable]

exactly

they are retirees

[steep tulip]

Glad they didn't go extinct

[glass snow]

who is a fucked up guy who likes to live in the cold and while many people think is the same is wildly different than its ancestors

[steep tulip]

At some point the only tuataras left were in random islands around nz

[shell sonnet]

Santa Claus

[flint sable]

also if humans do eventually make them go extinct (which I really really hope doesnt happen), it would be a new record for oldest clade made extinct by humans

the current record is held by Meiolaniids which first evolved in the Early Cretaceous

[plush nacelle]

Remember. Tuatara somehow survived extinction event in NZ that took mammal, turtles and croc

[steep tulip]

Fortunately nz has a lot of breeding programs to reintroduce tuataras on the main island
So like rn they are relatively safe

[flint sable]

its also not particularly close, most are clades that arose in the eocene or oligocene at the earliest

[flint sable]

mhm

as I said above they are doing pretty good comparatively speaking

anywhere from 60-100k individuals

just not good in terms of range really

[past mist]

Coelacanths have a shot of taking that record too, out of the 2 living species 1 is endangered and the other is critically endangered

[open heron]

Probably something dietary given its skull proportions and dentition.
I know we have postcrania but I'm not sure if it's properly described? Someone more educated than I can probably add on to this.

[flint sable]

oh trueeee

although Coelocanths do have the advantage of living in basically the middle of nowhere in addition to being at the bottom of the ocean

[left spear]

Making a saltwater fish extinct is quite the acomplisment

[flint sable]

also I think they might be less endangered than we think they are just due to the fact they are very hard to reach and record due to the depths they live at, but thats just a personal theory

[flint sable]

definitely

[left spear]

Only done once before if i'm not mistaken

[flint sable]

iirc humans havent even managed to do it yet

[left spear]

A ray i think

[flint sable]

except maybe stuff from inland seas

[left spear]

But that's It iirc

[flint sable]

which are saltwater

so like the caspian sea or something like that

but yeah either way its really hard to make an ocean dwelling species go entirely extinct

[left spear]

Just checked only 1

The javan stingaree

[plush nacelle]

Smooth handfish

[shell sonnet]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20241022-the-marine-fish-driven-to-extinction-by-humans

[flint sable]

I remembered that one but it got changed from extinct to data deficient in 2021

[left spear]

That's currently data deficient

[flint sable]

it was declared extinct in 2020 but then changed

[past mist]

fishing and pollution through

[flint sable]

fishing doesnt really effect at that level of the ocean iirc

[left spear]

I mean atleast the fishing is accodental

[flint sable]

pollution is definitely a valid point though

[flint sable]

at least not large scale commercial fishing

its too deep

[left spear]

Indonesian Coelacanths do get netted quite a bit

[past mist]

wasn’t a fishing market how they were rediscovered

[flint sable]

ah ok

[flint sable]

yeah

[plush nacelle]

What do you mean we havent seen one in 200 years lol

I mean smooth handfish

[flint sable]

but seeing as people had been fishing in that area for a long time beforehand and it took untill 1939 to catch one

presumabley most arent fishing at that depth

[past mist]

true

[flint sable]

I mean to be entirely fair I dont really think anyone has actually looked

[ancient ibex]

It is weirdly conservative at the amniotan level

[past mist]

but since they have a rather small range they probably naturally have a low population

[flint sable]

likely

[left spear]

Also it's a handfish, it's not like Its easy to catch them

Also doesn't Tasmania have a shit ton of handfish, they could have been confused for other species and as such not reported

[past mist]

according to wikipedia 2-5 caught per year was a whole 1% of the population

[left spear]

Tbf how many caves at that depth are explored, there are probably quite a few unknown populations.

[past mist]

for West Indian Coelacanths

[past mist]

that’s true

[left spear]

If only they did well on captivity

Essentially Sea olms

[flint sable]

wait, we have had coelocanths in captivity?

like at all?

I thought every single one brought up to the surface was dead or died very shortly afterwards

[shell sonnet]

I don't think we do currently

[left spear]

They died shortly afterwards, so yes they don't do well in captivity

They have hard to emulate feeding behaviors and are very Picky with the chemicals composition of water

[late swallow]

OH FUCK GEAAG HOW DID I FORGET STYXO

[flint sable]

speaking of coelocanths

you guys ever think we will ever find Cenozoic Coelocanth fossils?

[steep tulip]

Doubt it

[left spear]

I mean define Cenozoic

[flint sable]

Danian-Holocene?

[steep tulip]

Seems like all the surface dwelling ones were done good by the meteor

[flint sable]

what other definition is there

[left spear]

I mean like +50-100k years after the impact relic populations

[flint sable]

nah those dont count

[left spear]

That maybe

[left spear]

Then i highly doubt it

Tbh i think it's more likely we find a new modern species than that

Antartic Coelacanth would be so cool

[late swallow]

L. chalumnae come up to as shallow as 55m at night, their eyes are super sensitive.

[flint sable]

interesting

I think that if thats the case

in theory we could possibly keep them in captivity with hyper specific conditions

the main issue isnt keeping them in captivity but getting them there alive methinks

[plush nacelle]

Thats right

[left spear]

I mean one survived on the shitty unfit tank for 20h

[plush nacelle]

Living far away from place, which could reliably keep them also isnt helping

[left spear]

If the tank was close i could see them surviving

Comoros national Coelacanth sanctuary

[plush nacelle]

To be fair this individual survived 20 hours in times, when something like cheetah or tamarin was unthinkable to keep alive

[late swallow]

Their oxygen intake also is heavily affected by water temperature

[left spear]

And they are super sensitive to chemicals, so you would have to regulate that

[late swallow]

They've got a bunch of Rods and also a tapetum lucidem (retroreflector)

[plush nacelle]

If we were using classic trial and error method we would peobably figure out how to keep coelacanth alive. Sadly many would die in process

[left spear]

There's also the problem of breeding them

Fucking 5 year long pregnancies

[flint sable]

also I think that most if not all times that coelocanths have been caught, they werent intentionally trying to catch one, let alone keeping it alive

[flint sable]

I think if you were actually prepared it would be signifigantly more plausible

[left spear]

How do you even do It properly

Like just net It with a gun or?

[late swallow]

Some more interesting hurdles to keeping it

[flint sable]

well first of all

you could have to sucuessfully bring it up slowly but steadily

[plush nacelle]

Dive for it 💀

[flint sable]

so that it can semi acclimate

if you do it too fast it will probably be screwed

[left spear]

Wouldn't then just suffocate

[flint sable]

how so?

Coelocanths arent ram breathers iirc

[left spear]

It needs cold water

[flint sable]

oh yeah right

doing it at night might help with that

[left spear]

Ig at night during winter

[flint sable]

but probably make it infinitely more tedious

[late swallow]

Cold and highly oxygenated

[flint sable]

both of the places coelocanths are found are very close to the equator

[flint sable]

so winter or summer wouldnt really matter

[late swallow]

Off of South Africa isn't somewhere I'd call close to the equator

[flint sable]

oh truee

I forgot they were also found in south africa

[late swallow]

Afria

[plush nacelle]

Good. How awesome would be one in PK

[left spear]

Yeah i was about to say that

[flint sable]

I thought only near madagascar

mb

[late swallow]

I would love it, they're my favourite fish

[flint sable]

ok so yeah that would be the best bet then

[left spear]

Like sure Comoros is kidna close but SA? Enough for It to matter

[late swallow]

But I'd prefer to go with extinct genera

[left spear]

Tbh i'm surprised there's only 2 Coelacanth species, seems like they would fate well almost in any ocean

[flint sable]

Im also not sure but South Africa might have a large enough aquarium to hold one at least temporarily

[plush nacelle]

Axelrodichthys seems like perfect contender

[left spear]

I mean the obvious choice is Mawsonia

[late swallow]

how the hell do you search a thread on mobile

[left spear]

That's the neat part

You don't

[plush nacelle]

Mawsonia from kem kem is probably Axelrodichthys

Both could be alts for each other

[left spear]

Just do like with Rex and keep the cooler name instead of the legitimate one

[plush nacelle]

If they decide to make one as not simple aquarium-terrarium critter

[tough marsh]

how big of an aquarium does one need

[flint sable]

Latimeria are surprisingly large fish

[shell sonnet]

what is the ocean but the biggest aquarium in the world

[flint sable]

heres a deceased one

[left spear]

And unlike most fish very chonky

[tough marsh]

There’s an aquarium here that could house it potentially

[late swallow]

Like 2m I believe

[late swallow]

Yeah I was looking for my desire of Mawsonia and Coelacanthus

[plush nacelle]

Such a perfect fossil

[late swallow]

Oooo, imagine Spino and Axelrodichthys[who let a 12 year old name this?] in an exhibit together

[glass snow]

axelrodicthys btw is named after a icthyologist Herbert R. Axelrod

who was in 2005 sentences to 18 months in prison for tax fraud

[late swallow]

Who let a 12 year old pick his last name

[late swallow]

That's hilarious

Did he not learn from ol Scarface?

[glass snow]

he was a tropical fish expert and described the cardinal tetra

and has many fish named after him and is also known for the fraud and tax fraud thing

his to me sounds like joke

[plush nacelle]

I hope aquarium pack will bring some simple fish. Not everything has to be 4 - 5 star marine megafauna species

[late swallow]

For sure - any thoughts on some of the "fillers" so to speak?

[plush nacelle]

Gyrodus

[late swallow]

Mini animals from the Cambrian speak to me as fills, think Opabinia, Tullymonstrum

[late swallow]

Please tell me this wasn't named after the pokemon

[plush nacelle]

No. It is named after being round

I personally would look for fish, which co-existed with more famous species to make nice themed areas

[late swallow]

I saw the little reproduction on Wikipedia and like

That's a cute little fucker

[steep tulip]

English speaker don't give a crap about non dinosaurs
Why does the page in my language have way more info about this guy

[plush nacelle]

Like biggest tank in aquarium themed about jurassic seas:

With Leedsichthys - whale shark

Gyrodus and Aspidorhynchus - basic fish

Hybodus - sharkie

And Plesiosaurus

[late swallow]

Paranogmius evolutus is just a liyylr guy

He's a bit bigger than most other Paranogmius species tho

[plush nacelle]

Would have neat skin potential

Bananogmius is big from this family with good fossil I think

[late swallow]

Great name too

[austere sparrow]

🍌

[feral cedar]

I will forever insist upon the mystery maniraptoromorph

This reconstruction in particular is weird and yet neat at the same time; it's covered extensively in fuzz but doesn't have elaborate feathers. Idk how plausible it is though

[late swallow]

Sitting just outside of Maniraptora and Compsognathidae [some authors find it nestled there instead] per various studies done in the 2010s, I wouldn't say pycnofibres would be out of the question

[feral cedar]

I feel like they help to make it seem a bit more "basal" and also allows it to have a silhouette distinct from dromaeosaurs

[late swallow]

We really need to find more specimens, especially given the deformed skull of the holotype

No, phone, I'm not trying to discuss European political affairs of the 1940s

[feral cedar]

Ornitholestes is so weird cause like

it's literally the only thing like it we have

[flint sable]

next closest would be that other theropod from the morrison

Tanycolagreus

they might be closely related idk

wait nvm Tany doesnt have the sickle

well Orni doesnt really either to be fair

[steep tulip]

What
I thought tany was 2 scraps lmao

[flint sable]

but both it and tany are currently maniraptoroformes

[steep tulip]

It actually got a decent amount of stuff

[flint sable]

so they might clade together

who knows

[late swallow]

2 specimens! One of which, a hand, was originally attributed to Onitholestes

[steep tulip]

Which one is the holotype

[steep tulip]

Nvm, this one is

Pretty cool

[tired storm]

Cryolophosaurus

Praepusa

Cute little seal

[smoky spear]

the conclusion here is that all ez mammal suggestions are killed by mau

[late swallow]

Finally, someone with taste

[toxic oriole]

Mainland Antarctica DLC

[flint sable]

cryolophosaurus

antarcticopelta

glacialosaurus

anthropornis

[flint sable]

technically found on an offshore island but within like

a few kilometers of the antarctic peninsula

seymour island

[toxic oriole]

I need to know

Is Antarctilamna from Antarctica or is it just the name?

[flint sable]

it is from

south africa

and

australia

and

get this

a n t a r c t i c a

so thats

n e a t

[toxic oriole]

Ah so one of the first true sharks isnt clickbait after all!

I'd include that shark for that Antarctica DLC, though I know I'd have to save it for when aquatics are added in

[flint sable]

I wouldnt say its a true shark

its an elasmobranch which includes yes sharks

[toxic oriole]

So its nothing like Cladoselache, huh?

[flint sable]

but also stingrays

[flint sable]

so

its one of the oldest elasmobranchs though

[flint sable]

theres also a ton of other extinct groups too

the last common ancestor of all living sharks is only from the early jurassic

[toxic oriole]

MODERN sharks from what I can see

[flint sable]

possibly permian but unlikely

[toxic oriole]

So is Cladoselache...

[flint sable]

modern sharks in this context is Selachii

[flint sable]

Cladoselache is a ratfish

[toxic oriole]

WHAT

SO IF THAT WASNT THE FIRST SHARK, THEN WHAT WAS?!

[flint sable]

thats what wikipedia

says

idk

[flint sable]

possibly these

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synechodontiformes

but unlikely

[toxic oriole]

Arent there early records of Early Sharks in the Devonian or something, or is that a lie?

How many lies have I been fed?

[flint sable]

it basically depends on your definition of shark

shark can either mean the common ancestor of all living sharks and their descendants which is the correct taxonomic term

and then theres the other definition which is basically any cartilaginous fish that developed a sharklike bodyplan

for example, the second definition would include Helicoprion as a shark, but in reality they were actually closer to modern day ratfish and would not be included in the first definition

a vast majority of extinct "sharks" are members of Holocephali which includes the modern day ratfish and a few others

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocephali

[flint sable]

especially during the Paleozoic

[toxic oriole]

And then theres Ferromirum

Late Devonian fish that they say is a shark or something

No idea if thats true or false

[flint sable]

its also

not a shark

and that one is interestingly also not a holocephalian

it split before even those two split being more basal than even those

[toxic oriole]

GOOD GRIEF, WHAT ARE THESE LOOKALIKES!?

[flint sable]

very basal cartilaginous fish

[flint sable]

evolution idk

[toxic oriole]

Now I'm even more confused

Oh well

[flint sable]

although i guess it isnt helping that the basal condition of cartilaginous fish is shark shaped

[flint sable]

basically this

[toxic oriole]

Keeping Antarctilamna in that DLC idea list

[flint sable]

essentially if it isnt in Selachii, it isnt a true shark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark

[toxic oriole]

I swear, there really needs to be a 100% reliable paleontology website

Wikipedia just keeps changing

[austere sparrow]

...Little seal... 🥺

Friendship ended with "Modern animal (big)", I wanna be friends with "Modern animal (tiny)" now

[flint sable]

uhhhhh

closest I can think of is PaleoDB but thats for fossil locations and such

not cladistic info

very accurate and up to date for that stuff though

[open heron]

Basically impossible to maintain if you want it to hold 100% of the knowledge we have.

Stuff changes and goes back and forth a lot in the span of a few years even for just one specific organism/family, and then you gotta times that by thousands.

Unless you had a sufficiently large amount of people editing, you'd be swamped by just how much keeps switching around or being discovered.

[ancient ibex]

Science is ever changing....

[steep tulip]

Maybe there will be a time where we will know everything we can about these animals

But it's not this time

[austere sparrow]

Foolish atheists trying their best to study extinct animals in life when they can just wait to go to heaven and ask them personally

(Note; this may not work for sinful taxa that always go to hell)

[steep tulip]

Or you reincarnate into stegosaurus

[steep tulip]

Probably not that great considering the kinda animals it lived with

[plush nacelle]

Is this paratethys dwarf?

Would be banger, if terrarium semi-aquatic mammal is this one

[steep tulip]

Seal inside terraium seems pretty cruel ngl

I know this is a game but I prefer it getting a bigger tank

[amber field]

I think they said from the Mesozoic

[plush nacelle]

I dont think they ever said it.

[steep tulip]

They didn't

[amber field]

Then I got the Mandela effect lol

[steep tulip]

The 2 most requested semi aquatic mini mammals are mesozoic tbh

So like I don't blame you for thinking that lol

[austere sparrow]

Sinful taxa that always go to hell:
Penguins, Ducks, Schizotheres, Otters, Pantherines, Deinotheres, Drepanosaurs, Koalas
Sinless taxa that always go to heaven:
Most Waterplants, Chalicotheres, Oviraptorosaurs, Elephant shrews, Sloths, Wombats
Anti-baptism taxa that refuse to swim and are thus only found in purgatory:
Apes (except humans), Waterstriders, Fairy flies, Dozens of small mammals and birds, Most Landplants

[steep tulip]

😭

How did you came up with these conclusions

[austere sparrow]

Saint Peter

[steep tulip]

Drepanosaurs in hell...

Nooooo

I hope plesiosaurs and pterossues go to heaven at least

Instead of the white dove, there's the white quetzalcoatlus

How beautiful

[austere sparrow]

Sadly Quetzalcoatlus is shades of brown and grey

But Dsungaripterus is white

...But that reminds me Dsungaripterus is another hell-only species.

Not because they did anything bad, they just kinda fit the aesthetic.

[steep tulip]

💀

Polycotylids plesiosaurs jumping between the clouds like dolphins

[austere sparrow]

Heavenly Polycotylid Plesiosaurs for PK when

[bleak garnet]

dodo

https://tenor.com/view/dodo-walking-bird-natural-history-museum-alive-waddle-gif-4603674700934247407

[desert flame]

Dodo will probably be added in dlc.

[shell sonnet]

yeah not including dodos in a recently extinct pack would be like not including Rex or Trike

[desert flame]

Or extinct birds pack

[late swallow]

Big if tru

I can make out Dodo, Haast's Eagle? Thylacine, MOA, Bos?, Stellar's, and Is that a species of Equus at the end?

[smoky spear]

nice

a feeder animal

now we just need the cow

[short rover]

Quagga

So subspecies but yes

Or did you mean the other horse?

[late swallow]

Silhouette #10

[smoky spear]

theres only 1 horse in that image

[shell sonnet]

Bos is probably Aurochs

Also the Great Auk

[late swallow]

Is that the great Auk then, in spot 1

[desert flame]

Quagga was a zebra with a unique pattern.

[shell sonnet]

also the antelope is probably the bluebuck

[late swallow]

Uggo

[short rover]

There’s two

[shell sonnet]

no clue what the animal below the dodo is

[smoky spear]

wait

i thought that was a dog

i should go to sleep

[hollow furnace]

Tarpan

Hybrid population of wild and feral horses from Eastern Europe

[shell sonnet]

I don't know Equus subspecies that well

so thank you

though we should be a wary that this group probably has gone through a few changes

if a recently extinct pack is coming

[late swallow]

E. f. ferus

[desert flame]

Perhaps recently extinct animals will also be included in the dlc...

[shell sonnet]

my mini selection is

Passenger Pigeon
Carolina Parakeet
Ivory-Billed Woodpecker
Golden Toad
Yunnan lake newt or
Southern pig-footed bandicoot or
Sea mink

[late swallow]

What the flying fuck is that thing (fish)

[shell sonnet]

chinese paddlefish

[late swallow]

We should keep it extinct

[shell sonnet]

it died off a few years ago

know there's only the American one

[glass snow]

they were huge, migratory and predatory and now only the american paddlefish exists

they were much bigger than the american

and just weird it is sad they gone

[shell sonnet]

China and America: the only places that had paddlefish and alligators in the last few hundred years

[short rover]

Few million years I would guess?

[desert flame]

I think passenger pigeons and Carolina parakeets would be good for a terrarium display.

[shell sonnet]

I'm not sure when the others became extinct so I decided to play it safe

[short rover]

I know the two alligator species have been the only ones for awhile I don’t know abt the paddlefish

[shell sonnet]

Also it would be nice if they added some recently extinct reptiles like Hanyusuchus sinensis or Voay robustus (even if the later doesn't really have a common name)

[left spear]

Wait until you find out about goblin sharks

[past mist]

i’ve seen people call Voay the Malagasy Horned Crocodile or just Malagasy Crocodile

[shell sonnet]

i just go by what wiki gives me

[steep tulip]

Call me simple but I love this thing

[desert flame]

As for reptiles, Mecosuchus is also good. It is the last land crocodile that lost the battle for survival against humans.

[steep tulip]

What african pleistocene animals would be cool to have with quagga

[late swallow]

Afrifan

[steep tulip]

Nope

[past mist]

Long Horned Buffalo

[steep tulip]

Its spelled african

[shell sonnet]

Bluebuck

[steep tulip]

Others?
That aren't hippo but big

[shell sonnet]

Granted I wonder what counts as recently extinct to the devs; all the ones on the image died out after 1000 C.E.

[past mist]

the picture says last 2 millennia

[shell sonnet]

so anything not before 0 B.C.E.

[past mist]

not gonna be a lot of Late Pleistocene megafauna from Africa that aren’t still around

it was very lightly hit by the Late Pleistocene extinction

[shell sonnet]

again Bluebuck

[steep tulip]

Palaeoloxodon

[shell sonnet]

though looking it up, I don't know if it's range overlapped with the Quagga

[steep tulip]

That's a cool species to put with quagga

[desert flame]

Aepyornis?

[shell sonnet]

that just lived on Madagascar

so they wouldn't have interacted

[past mist]

Palaeoloxodon wasn’t in Africa by Late Pleistocene iirc

still would go cool together

but it didn’t coexist with the Quagga afaik

[steep tulip]

Sad

Still works kinda

[shell sonnet]

okay I take that back the Bluebuck would have lived alongside the Quagga

[late swallow]

Hippo with turbocancer

[steep tulip]

It gives the feeling ig

[left spear]

Malagasy hippo

[late swallow]

I wonder if Paleoloxodon had internal testes

[left spear]

Good Madagascar pack filler

[past mist]

a Madagascar pack would be so cool

[left spear]

Yes i would like to own Madagascar

Heh

[late swallow]

@low bridge what do you think, any mammals you'd like to see alongside quagga?

[austere sparrow]

Malagasy Hippo is baby and unique and cute and loved and necessary addition and good addition

[steep tulip]

I forgot quagga is from south agrica

[late swallow]

Agrica

[steep tulip]

So they wouldn't have met anyway

Shut your bitch ass up, this ain't school

[past mist]

mini hippos that were more terrestrial, the heaviest bird of all time, giant lemurs

[left spear]

Oh along side quagga

[past mist]

Malagasy Croc is cool but not that unique so idk if it’s a good addition

[past mist]

i meant for Madagascar pack

[steep tulip]

Well more unique than quagga tbh

[left spear]

Voay is interesting

[shell sonnet]

Aepyornis maximus, Hippopotamus laloumena,Voay robustus, Cylindraspis vosmaeri/peltastes, and of course, Raphus cucullatus would work for an African Island pack

[steep tulip]

Imo its cool

Both voay and hanyusuchus are cool picks

[left spear]

Uhhh archeoindris where

[past mist]

Voay is cool but again it’s not the MOST interesting pick for PK and it isn’t a quintessential Pleistocene Madagascar animal like the Hippos are

[shell sonnet]

no monkeys allowed

[steep tulip]

Archaeoindris is my most wanted primate tbh

[past mist]

im not opposed to it for the record

[left spear]

It's a lemur ☝️🤓

[steep tulip]

Not a monkey technically 🤓 👆

[shell sonnet]

To be honest, I just forgot about it

[left spear]

Convergent evolution

[desert flame]

Madagascar pack needs megaladapis.

[left spear]

Nah fam we don't need watto i'm the game

[shell sonnet]

I feel like one extinct lemur would be enough

[left spear]

Archaeo all the way

[steep tulip]

Sloth lemurs gonna be terrarium or special exhibit

[past mist]

i love the Gorilla Lemur

[late swallow]

Alf?

[steep tulip]

Too big and bad recon

[left spear]

Striking resemblance

[steep tulip]

This better but it could be a little oversized still

Not by much if so

[late swallow]

PW spotted

[past mist]

my bad gng 💔

[past mist]

i forgot they’re not reliable with size

[desert flame]

maybe a koala lol.

[shell sonnet]

For giant tortoises

[late swallow]

The 240kg number came from a femoral head diam