Community Species Suggestions

[flint sable]

I suppose yeah

even in like the cenozoic

theres gotta be like

one

[glass snow]

What if we got a kalligrammatid butterfly house or at least kalligrammatid effects

[austere sparrow]

Saw this pictures and thought that measurement was in centimeters for a hot second and went 😳 but, alas. 😔

Still like. 30cm Wingspan I believe?

[hollow furnace]

Don't worry, we have published papers that make basically the same mistake

[glass snow]

I like how termites are literally just incredibly social wood eating cockroaches.

[hollow furnace]

that's how we ended up with half-meter carboniforous cockroach

[glass snow]

nobody minecraft bugs

[austere sparrow]

I feel like this thing is probably too small but like. Actually this time

[glass snow]

this and placeable paleo fish are something I want the latter is clearly not because I want to do the same thing I used to do in zoo tycoon 2 with cod

[ancient ibex]

And mantis are for all intents and purposses long raptorial cockroaches, although not nested within modern cockroaches

[austere sparrow]

...Also Confuciusornis is the least obscure flying color-picked animal to have the decency not to be mostly black and I kiiinda want it just for that reason alone now

[glass snow]

I heard of that too. Insect taxonomy is fascinating.

same with fish taxonomy

[austere sparrow]

Insect taxonomy is annoying is what it is. Every time I try to do an insect taxonomy research dive I run into something with an utterly stupid name I have never heard of before. Like Thrips or Firebrats or stuff like that.

I believe Jeholornis appears on like. Really ancient concept art

[flint sable]

correctamundo

[austere sparrow]

So I kinda hope they decide to put it in based on. Just that alone I guess

[flint sable]

that was before mini exhibits were even a thing

[ancient ibex]

(messed up the scaling goddammit)

But yeah, the trio of Jehol, Sape and Confucius, plus Micro, Jinfengo and Caudi, would rock hard

[outer moth]

A wee bit massive, but I can split it into a few packs to make it a lil easier

1. Cretaceous Mongolia pack (Nemegt/Djatochta/Iren)
2. Yixian Pack
3. Cretaceous China pack (Xingezhuang)
4. Jurassic China pack (Shaximiao/Shishugou)

[late swallow]

no, that's a raven

Crow and Raven aren't taxonomic terms by any means

[feral cedar]

the crazy thing is with the exception of Microraptor all of these are Yixian

[wheat shard]

We need Sinosauropteryx prima🙏

fluffy little baby <3
i need to see it curled up in a pile with other sinosauropteryx so bad 😭😭😭😭😭

[slim flare]

Yutyrannus is effectively already confirmed because it was an original EA species

[steep tulip]

Not too fond of xingezhuang...

[desert flame]

Me too
Ringtails are great.

[plush nacelle]

Frog is definitely going for that title

[steep tulip]

Beelzebufo makes it up in width

[late swallow]

Borgor

[plush nacelle]

Tho castorocauda appears to be smaller than it

[steep tulip]

Uh

Didelphodon stocks rising up

[austere sparrow]

Frog isn't confirmed tho?

Neither is beavershrew

[hexed pecan]

both an Australian rep and a Pleistocene rep that isn't mammalian, Varanus priscus, more commonly known as the Megalania would be an interesting addition to the game.

[left spear]

I'm curious on what would Vara's skins be

You would have the obvious grey komodo one but the other 2 would be very interesting

Would really like one like an earless monitor.

[ancient ibex]

Plenty of monitors to take inspiration, no need to go to the thing that is explicity not one and is clearly not one

[left spear]

So? Why is It a bad thing

[ancient ibex]

Tired of big predatory lizards from sleek scaled clades being given large feature scales just because

Don't croc up large predatory lizards

[left spear]

Didn't Talk about osteoderms/Big scales

[ancient ibex]

Yeah this is due to the goddamn JW Mosa

[left spear]

Just coloration

[ancient ibex]

Ah my bad

[left spear]

Lol fair

Yeah osteoderm Varanus would be Honestly disapponting

[plush nacelle]

One yellow

[ancient ibex]

I still have memories of the Zoo Tycoon sites and people going for "realistic" Mosasaurus with large scales and eel-like tail, disregarding any evidence of the contrary as "that's just Plotosaurus"

Perentie patterns are already in use for Dilo lol

But yeah, Komodo, perentie, lace monitor, Nile monitor... even Gila or earless monitor patterns would rock

Juveniles need to be spectacular, even if the adults would have to be muted

[left spear]

Honestly a skin where babies are essentially turqoise monitors and get really pale as they are would be cool

[plush nacelle]

Probably one skin yellow, one brown and one grey

Yellow presumably with spots

[left spear]

A White throated monitor skin would also be fun

[left spear]

Ik its a cliché but i'll rather keep the Gila skin for Palaeosaniwa

Also Palaeosaniwa is cool, it's essentially the only true terrestrial lizard mini, and more hell creek which is always fun.

Bit of a gluppshito but there's nothing much like It and the name is cool, good DLC filler

Oh wait no i mixed them up

Palaeosaniwa is like a jaw is was talking about Gobiderma

It also has quite a fun story

[plush nacelle]

Maybe basilemys for small habitat tutel

[steep carbon]

paleoswania is like, Velociraptor sized, tho. Shouldn't it be a habitat animal

[amber field]

Giraffokeryx ?

[late swallow]

jfif format

[amber field]

I hate it 😤

[late swallow]

Handlebars

[austere sparrow]

It is kinda funny that we have yet to receive a single non-dinosaurian mesozoic or non-mammalian cenozoic animal, come to think of it

Not like we're lacking good options

I do hope that when Megalania comes, we'll get some effort put into the obligatory Komodo Dragon skin (because everything gives Megalania a Komodo Dragon skin). Pls play with the highlights Komodos have and don't just make it all grey, devs... 😔

...Also hoping for some baby Komodo inspired skins

Mostly coloration wise

Since somehow nobody ever seems to think of that

[ancient ibex]

Simosuchus is coming

[austere sparrow]

The mighty Simosuchus is not ingame yet, and has thus not finished the receival process, but I guess it does exist. 😔

...I guess we will receive a good chunk of mini exhibits soon-ish. Probably some more boat-rockers in there. But I do still really want a Cenozoic Bird or Reptile, or a Mesozoic Non-Dinosaurian Reptile or Dicynodont

[late swallow]

I... Rebecca...

[austere sparrow]

...What?

[late swallow]

Simosuchus is a Mesozoic non-Dinosaurian reptile

[austere sparrow]

I meant as a proper enclosure animal xP

Guess I forgot to specify oops

That's why I said "Dicynodont" and not "Synapsid"

[smoky spear]

maybe when deinosuchus or sarcosuchus gets added

[steep tulip]

tbh we still havent gotten allo and stego yet lol

[plush nacelle]

Big turtle or tortoise would be good. Something filling niche of galapagos tortoise in games. Slow moving rock

Meiolania is good candidate, but so is basilemys

[past mist]

Megalochelys could also work, although it’s not too too unique from modern Tortoises aside from the huge size

[plush nacelle]

There is also plenty other crocodile species, which will make good use of deinosuchus rig. There is room for some smaller species

Borealosuchus can be both mesozoic and cenozoic rep with alts

[past mist]

I’d love to see some kind of extinct Gharial in PK

[ancient ibex]

Extinct gharials are kinda messy, because morphological studies tend to conflict with moleculo-morphological phylogenies

Gavialis is surprisingly close to Tomistoma, and Tomistoma hasn't really moved from its position, so most fossil gharials recovered as closer to Gavialis than to Tomistoma likely aren't, specially those far older than the Gavialis-Tomistoma split

[steep tulip]

hanyusuchus is cool

[plush nacelle]

Thoracosaurus sounds great. Again one alt for both mesozoic and cenozoic

[ancient ibex]

Thoracosaurs in particular have this tradition of being found as gharials, but they are older than the gharial-CROCODILE split, and often are outside the croc+gator clade

The Chinese gharial is the one animal I can readily see as a gavialid

[plush nacelle]

Lets say gharial-like

Then

[ancient ibex]

But yeah, Thoracosaurus as a parallel gharial to go with Deinosuchus as a parallel gator

[past mist]

Gharial-like animals then

Gyrposuchus is imo the best one

[plush nacelle]

I like this idea of having single croc genus to be usable alongside dinosaurs and early paleogene mammals

[steep tulip]

I want

no

[past mist]

that would be cool

[steep tulip]

I need champsosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Thoracosaurus goes quite hard

[plush nacelle]

Borealosuchus can go both with hell creek fauna and early mammals like hyracotherium and uintatherium

So is thoracosaurus and champsosaurus (not croc tho)

[ancient ibex]

Champsosaurs are weird things with no close living relatives

Speaking of such, Longisquama has been solved, and drepanosaurs are even weirder

Gryposuchus, Euthecodon, Purussaurus and even Voay are cool true crocodilians

[slim flare]

Piscogavialis

[ancient ibex]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09167-9 Seriously, what the hell

[steep tulip]

I know, but its cool they survived into the paleogene (and even beyond that), also they could easily share rig with crocodilians and kin

[past mist]

Voay mentioned 🔥

[slim flare]

Peters??

[ancient ibex]

Lol that guy making it past peer review at Nature

Quite big team

[slim flare]

So is it related to Longisquama?

[ancient ibex]

I mean, you can skim the paper

[slim flare]

Oh it’s free

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, it is found to be the sister taxon to Longisquama, and they form a clade at the base of drepanosaurs

[slim flare]

Abstract was unclear but yeah

Awesome

[outer moth]

Wonder what PtHr has to say about this article
/j

[desert flame]

I'd like to see a giant crocodile, but I'd also like to see dinosaur-like crocodiles added, like Sillosuchus.

[wild relic]

Or effigia

[desert flame]

true

[steep tulip]

peak metioned

[desert flame]

Efifgia may be substituted with a terrarium?

[slim flare]

Looks Velociraptor sized

[wild relic]

Was just gonna say that yeah

[slim flare]

Or at least close enough

[ancient ibex]

Literally the size of Coelo

[desert flame]

It's the perfect size for a regular exhibition.

[wild relic]

I remember seeing this little guy in a prehistoric animal book that I got from my grandma when I was a younger

This was my introduction to dinosaur-like croc relatives

Oh I didn't know Gabriel Ugueto drew Effigia once

[desert flame]

~~When I first saw it I thought it was a dinosaur. ~~
But that's so fascinating I wish PK would add it.

[amber field]

Hope we seeing it one day

Koolasuchus

[slim flare]

Pretty kool guy

[ancient ibex]

The clade is cool, Koolasuchus is just a telltale sign of having watched WWD lol

[amber field]

yes and no lol , I'm Temnospondyls fan in general

[hollow flower]

Well it seems now is probably a good time for the addition of a Drepanosaur

[low bridge]

Archaeotherium should be Daeodon alt

[short rover]

Wouldn’t work

[glass snow]

I want koola as Australian cretaceous guy, mastodonsaurus as big guy who is basically the temno, and Prionosuchus.

koola is the round headed Australian guy, mastodon is the big complete guy with a lot of history and priono is like a gharial guy.

[short rover]

“The clade is cool, Liopleurodon is just a telltale sign of having watched WWD lol”

[hollow flower]

If I remember correctly Koola is a fragmentary beast

[glass snow]

koola while frag is pretty unique and especially since it is the last and is an austrailian animal which is a plus.

also stuff like mastodono is not similar in the slightest

mastodono is huge and has different proportions and niche.

[hollow flower]

Fair enough

[glass snow]

though I kind of like mastodono more but koola is popular for reason though yeah it was popularized by wwd and is frag. But same with lio and trope(called ornithocheirus but you get my point)

koola is a fairly huge Chigutisaurid

it could be a Brachyopid but as far as I know it is a Chigutisaurid but yet again is a substancially sized member of either groups

[steep tulip]

koola is cool indeed, just the fact that it survived into the early cretaceous makes it cool

[austere sparrow]

Only a WWD-watcher-only would want Koolasuchus, especially ever since three years after WWD, where we discovered Coolersuchus; a more complete relative of Koolasuchus that shows evidence of skateboarding

[steep tulip]

not like amphibians change all that much between close relatives

[glass snow]

though Siderops is also cool and more complete. Being an earlier relative from austrailia in the jurassic

it could be I guess in alt

[steep tulip]

theres also one in shaximiao

forgot the name

also decently complete

[glass snow]

I’m saying siderops as it is very closely related to koola so it could be an alt really.

also both are austrailian

and big for their clade

Temnos are diverse so I want like Brachyopoid like Koola, something like mastodono and priono

they have fairly different heads and bodies

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[plush nacelle]

Mfker this big and complete?

[modern totem]

big salamanders

[ancient ibex]

Yes, Krono and Plio are cooler, Lio wouldn't be on anybody's radar otherwise

[steep tulip]

I like lio smaller size

[amber field]

But I don't think can come because nesting and ontogeny

[plush nacelle]

Liopleurodon bonus point for not having saurus in name

[amber field]

It needs wet nests

[plush nacelle]

What other species are ,,sign of having watched walking with X,,

[amber field]

Polar Allosaur oops....Australovenator

[steep tulip]

Torosaurus ig

[plush nacelle]

Entire australia episode 🥀

[steep tulip]

Not me tho
Wwd toro lame af

[glass snow]

leally

[austere sparrow]

Ackshoealley, Liopleurodon was a tropical species, whereas Krono was temperate ☝️ 🤓

[steep tulip]

Not true I lied

[glass snow]

we have leally in game a frag genus whose tail might not even be its tail

[steep tulip]

Lol

[plush nacelle]

To be fair plenty obscure species started there. Good documentary = huge boost in popularity

[glass snow]

koola would fit right in

with leally

[steep tulip]

Koola is just cool idc

[amber field]

actully Anurognathus would fit as mini

[glass snow]

as wwd animals

who are frag

[plush nacelle]

Cant be mad at WWD species

[glass snow]

and from Australia

[plush nacelle]

They made them cool

[steep tulip]

Like who cares if its just a mandible
We have close relatives, not like amphibians are known to be extremely diverse body wise

[plucky mantle]

Koolasuchus is yes a WWD alum but it's also unfortunately just about the post-Triassic Temnospondylid (the ones people think of when they think 'Temnospondylid' traditionally) of any realistic chance to get in tbh

[glass snow]

It also is a large member of its group meaning it is an easier full

[glass snow]

there is multiple from the triassic though

like big ones

the triassic had so many of those freaks

[amber field]

we need sailed one

[plucky mantle]

Yes but they're very different from Chigutisaurids, or very poorly known by the general public

[glass snow]

jurassic ones are kind of mostly koolas relatives and clade with koola being a big one and the last one

[plush nacelle]

Siderops sounds good, even as alt

[plucky mantle]

Siderops alt would be extremely based

[glass snow]

big triassic guy

[plucky mantle]

Mastodonsaurus is cool but very distinct from Chigutisaurids

[steep tulip]

I hope we get at least one temnospondyl as full exhibit

[glass snow]

I know I was takking about temnos in general

[plucky mantle]

Ah yeah

[glass snow]

It would work as temno babies aren’t tadpoles but so is tiktallik and tiktaalik is like 3 meters long

[plucky mantle]

Temno babies are just mini adults with external gills

[glass snow]

temnos could have like a water nest

[steep tulip]

It's also about mobility tbh

[open heron]

Mastodonsaurus should defo be the first Temno they add but if we're only talking Brachyopoids I think Siderops is probably the best pick personally.

[steep tulip]

Like how much time would have these guy spent on land

Or walking in general

I know its a game

[plucky mantle]

As cool as Siderops is I can't see it being added unless it's an alt for Koola because it's not really well known

[glass snow]

they could be mostly aquatic and have a water nest

[steep tulip]

Devs could probably just turn them more active

[glass snow]

I see them being added with aquatics if aquatics are added

[steep tulip]

Fair enough

[glass snow]

with tiktaalik maybe retroactivly becoming one if the devs want

[amber field]

And I think they can add corc rig for it . but it need new nest type

[steep tulip]

Eryops works very well as full exhibit

[glass snow]

tiktaalik being in a box is shame but understandable for ea

I would have prefered it come in an aquatic dlc

[steep tulip]

Carrying its cousin from behind basically
Like mahajangasuchus and kaprosuchus

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Tiktaalik doesn't seem like adept ground dweller yet

[steep tulip]

It probably wouldn't have walked all that much outside the water yeah

[glass snow]

it would be a mostly full aquatic with amphibious tendencies

[steep tulip]

But they are suggesting it for aquatics

[glass snow]

it just is tiktaalik irl was big

[steep tulip]

I think

[glass snow]

pk had to make it holotype sized

[plush nacelle]

I think it is perfect in terrarium. Just sit in favourite corner and smile

[plucky mantle]

The Tiktaalik we're getting is still technically within size estimates

[glass snow]

yeah

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I feel like appearing in a piece of media is a prerequisite for PK additions at this point and Siderops doesn't meet the bar

[plucky mantle]

Sinotherium and Juxia show it doesn't matter how obscure something is that it can get in as an alt species but I do agree it's very unlikely to get anything too crazy as a full species

[open heron]

I think it's less that and more just PK picks popular species because they are popular.

[plush nacelle]

What, if PK will make obscure species popular? I remember it being entire point for semi-aquatic mammal

[steep tulip]

I think

It got canned

Idk

[open heron]

I would however be shocked if there is actually something specifically dictating that a lesser known species cannot be chosen

[plush nacelle]

Even after change Mau kept refeering to it as obscure

[steep tulip]

Or maybe mau was lying lol

[inner wedge]

it's so obscure it wasn't formally described yet

i called it, we're getting the sea lepticidium in u16

[austere sparrow]

Maybe Mau thinks the likes of Moeritherium and Arsinoitherium are obscure 🤔

[plush nacelle]

I personally believe it is some sort of water chevrotain like ungulate

[inner wedge]

he said "obscure" for the terrarium mammal buddy

[open heron]

Is Indohyus mini material?

[inner wedge]

it's meme material

[plush nacelle]

Yes. Water chevrotains arent giantic

[steep tulip]

I think it's a different mammal

[plush nacelle]

Small fella jumping into the water

[steep tulip]

Like the name was pretty long of the old one

[open heron]

Disagree, i've seen it in exactly two memes.

[ancient ibex]

Water nest piece and it works fine ngl

[steep tulip]

How many semi aquatic mini mammals are there

[steep tulip]

Fax

[plush nacelle]

There are 2 semi-aquatic mammals. One for terrarium and second for exhibit

[open heron]

WAIT

What is the semi-aquatic mammal and the lizard are the same and it's Procynosuchus? (it is neither a mammal nor a lizard but)

[inner wedge]

lmao no

[steep tulip]

Honestly no clue what the lizard is either

I thought I knew but idk

[inner wedge]

i think it's suminia

or coelurosauravus, lame

[open heron]

would be based

[steep tulip]

I thought so as well, but no heterodontosaur?
I mean possible
Also far from lizard but saying arboreal permian synapsid would give it away

[austere sparrow]

Putting my money on Longisquama because that's the most boring option and I want to win one of these prediction games for once

[inner wedge]

also fits withe the permian theory if it still holds up

[steep tulip]

And it is lizard like

Nah not longisquama

For 2 reasons

[inner wedge]

mirasaura

[steep tulip]

1 its too small

The other I can't say because I wanna be mysterious

[open heron]

I don't think there's a limit on size for minis

[steep tulip]

Yeah but 10 cm of animal is very hard to see

[inner wedge]

mirasaura has cannibalized longisquama's relevance right NOW

[austere sparrow]

Who tf is mirasaura

[steep tulip]

Maybe even less

[inner wedge]

do you think the devs give a crap

[inner wedge]

look it up buddy

[steep tulip]

New guy described today
Related to longisquama

[inner wedge]

behold

[austere sparrow]

No

[open heron]

Ok but Opabinia is less than that and I really fucking want Opabinia.

[austere sparrow]

Thx

[steep tulip]

Which is now a drepanosauromorph

[inner wedge]

wasn't it always?

[austere sparrow]

Damn, I see we're getting hooked on glubshittos at never before seen speeds

[steep tulip]

Uhhh
Opabinia zoom in aquarium feature
Idk

[inner wedge]

it has literally way better material than longi

[steep tulip]

This one is no glupshitto

[austere sparrow]

I mean if one is too small just place twenty

[steep tulip]

Its great

Also too small too

[austere sparrow]

Insectmaxing

[steep tulip]

12 cm at best

[austere sparrow]

If twenty is too small place them in batches of three

[inner wedge]

you know what's the issue with small creatures

[austere sparrow]

Get sixty of the buggers

[austere sparrow]

Damn

[inner wedge]

the devs are making the terrariums too big

[steep tulip]

Nah

[austere sparrow]

Looks like that fucking lizard people thought was a bird from. What was it. Myanmar?

[steep tulip]

Even if they were small you wouldn't be able to see them

Oculodentavis?

[austere sparrow]

Thats the one

[inner wedge]

oh come on don't tell me that

[austere sparrow]

Same fucking

[inner wedge]

i can see insects just fine on PZ

[austere sparrow]

Face

[steep tulip]

The frogs in pz are so ridiculously small I have to zoom in to see them

[inner wedge]

and?

[steep tulip]

I wanna see animals move around without having to be there all the time otherwise I can't see them

[austere sparrow]

Frogs aren't animals btw they're little demons from hecc and herpetologists are just gaslighting u

[inner wedge]

and just for that you'd give up on cool critters like mirasaura?

[open heron]

Does this extend to salamanders and caecillians?

[steep tulip]

Yes
Since drepanosaurus also exist

[austere sparrow]

Animal crossing is trying to get kids into devil worship with froggy chair

[inner wedge]

which is still too small for regular terrariums

[steep tulip]

50 cms

That like 5 times the size

[austere sparrow]

Those are baby dragons but the alpha dragon releases pheromones into the biosphere to prevent them from growing up. Very sad. Make sure to air your residence if you keep salamanders or Sicillians to make sure they don't roid out into dragons

[inner wedge]

and besides there's no reason to not have both especially considering how different they are from each other

[steep tulip]

I mean they are different, but also part of the same group

[inner wedge]

and?

[steep tulip]

They share a lot of similarities too

Drepanosaurus might have had the sail thing too

[austere sparrow]

They are also not dinosaurs or Pleistocene mammals so I'm not sure what makes you think we'd ever get two of them

[plush nacelle]

Dunno. Drepano fossils is remarkable

[inner wedge]

imagine if i said the same about triceratops and styracosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Would probably preserve sail, if it had one

[austere sparrow]

Say the same about Triceratops and Styracosaurus all you want lol 😔 Not like the devs are gonna remove either now

[inner wedge]

well no more udanoceratops, protoceratops is already there

[steep tulip]

The thing is
Styraco and trike have the size to make those differences noticeable

[austere sparrow]

Good, Udanoceratops is a bad animal

[steep tulip]

As I said I don't want to zoom in every time to get a closer look at an animal

[austere sparrow]

🏝️

[inner wedge]

what kind of argument is that anyways

[steep tulip]

And actually kinda hope the devs slightly make them bigger if they got the chance

[inner wedge]

are you kidding

[steep tulip]

Nope

[silver steeple]

You basically already have to do that for Micro

[steep tulip]

I'm being deadass

[silver steeple]

So what's the point

[inner wedge]

yeah so indohynus actually gets in the box

[steep tulip]

You see them fly at least

[silver steeple]

There's no terrarium animal that you're gonna normally see in average gameplay tbh

[austere sparrow]

We should add Microfossils to PK because you could see them if you zoomed in well enough 👌

[silver steeple]

You're just way too zoomed out

[inner wedge]

my problem besides is really about visibility too

but because you'd have a small animal in a 2 meters long exhibit

[steep tulip]

Ig, I've played pz and there's still a difference between small stuff and very small stuff still
Like as I said some of the frogs are so small I have to actively search for them

[inner wedge]

if they could make small sized terrariums it would be so awesome

[plush nacelle]

Fk. Sailless all the way

[austere sparrow]

Considering they added friggin leaf insects in DLC I feel like that one is at least partially purposeful

[inner wedge]

||dont you do that in zoos irl?||

[steep tulip]

This is a game tho
Game design > realism

We can keep discussing this all you want, but that's where I stand at

Then it's up to the devs to decide which species are fir or not for the game

[austere sparrow]

I am still kinda amazed that people are clamoring for Longisquama 2 considering we're still missing stuff like Ground Sloth 1 or Elephant 2 or Therizinosaur 1 or Cenozoic Bird 1

[inner wedge]

a game with design based on realism, at least for pz

[inner wedge]

who is longisquama?

[plush nacelle]

Nothing stopping me from asking for both longisquama 2 and sloth

[austere sparrow]

Mirasaura's big brother in the big city that people actually know about. Background artist in many childrens books, had a minor acting gig with Disney, got drunk and got papparazzi shots where it makes out with David Peters, might've heard of it before.

[inner wedge]

oh yeah

he's a has been

[plush nacelle]

PK needs plenty terrarium critters

[inner wedge]

thought his gig with disney could have gotten him some fame but then the defamation case happened

[open heron]

Well I sure as hell hope our first ground sloth isn't a mini.

[austere sparrow]

Fair enough

[steep tulip]

Megalocnus mini

[austere sparrow]

Can you imagine tho

[inner wedge]

now he's some crackhead that doesn't even make news with his eternal beef with peters

[steep tulip]

Megalocnus but it's kept in a non adequately sized enclosure

[inner wedge]

what a sad story

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, you're right. We should really just add Miragaia instead.

[plush nacelle]

Minitherium americanum for terrarium

[inner wedge]

imagine being resurrected after million of years just to be kept in a tiny ahh box

[austere sparrow]

...Yknow I kinda want someone to just go through this servers history and compile all the animals people have requested, and see how expensive to make. Assuming maximal alt lumpage where possible.
If you're at it, also count how often animals have gotten requested.
Have fun! or you know write an algorithm to do it lol.

[inner wedge]

the whole thread is essentially the vinny byeah clip but with random popular dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

...Ngl kinda want someone to build a crawler like that and just. Let it loose on the PK, Planet Zoo and JWE communities

[hollow flower]

I would say with confidence 95% of dinosaurs have been suggested

[inner wedge]

how would it recognize the name of a prehistoric creature

[austere sparrow]

Reveal every last one of our glubshitto sins

[hollow flower]

Maybe not generic sauropod 97 but still

[inner wedge]

or images or even texts

[inner wedge]

||it's carnotaurus AGAIN||

[austere sparrow]

Copypaste the list of names from Wikipedia. If the suggester didn't spell it correctly, well, tough luck

[plush nacelle]

Dont think so. I swear people simply repeat same 20 species in circle

[inner wedge]

ronaldosaurus is a vital and much neeed inclusion to pk's roster

[plush nacelle]

Every mention including giant titanosaur is instantly shut down lol

[inner wedge]

a good 1000 replies are people seething over giga i'd bet lol

[austere sparrow]

Peak crabbucket tbh

[inner wedge]

i just realized many people have requested trilobites but i've seen not even one specific species

[hollow flower]

Isotelus

[inner wedge]

at best that one

[hollow flower]

And honestly trilobites are usually sorta generic

[inner wedge]

there are a lot of crazy ones

[hollow flower]

Seems no ones suggested

Qijianglong

Whatever it may be

[inner wedge]

if i say dicranurus i bet i'd be the 2nd mention in the whole thread

[open heron]

Alright, so welcome everybody to the meeting of the Byeahs, as you know we do this meeting every single month to make sure we agree on things, so let's just get started!
Austroraptor? BYEAH!
Diplodocus? BYEAH!
Dodos? BYEAH!
Barinasuchus? BYEAH!
Dire Wolves? BYEAH!
Ok, well that's it, that's uh... the meeting of the Byeahs has commenced, uh... see you all next month.

[austere sparrow]

Truly an opinion only a Vertebrate-liker could provide 😔

[plush nacelle]

Trilobites are awesome. There is one trilobite basically swimming around in the open

[inner wedge]

most glupshitto name ever lmao

wtf is a Qijianglong guokr

[hollow flower]

Or better yet

Pellegrinisaurus

[austere sparrow]

Literally saying this after just banging on about Mirasaura for half an hour 😔

Diamantinasaurus when

[inner wedge]

cope + mirasaura has a bright future ahead as evidenced by it's name

[plush nacelle]

And then there is this one

[late swallow]

slug

[austere sparrow]

It's also a "Prefix shared with a more well known animal"-saurus

[inner wedge]

does stegosaurus piggyback on tyrannosaurus' popularity for you

[inner wedge]

hellspawn

[austere sparrow]

Every dinosaur piggybacks off of Tyrannosaurus' popularity but also nonsequiter

[inner wedge]

you will regret your words and deeds

[austere sparrow]

x doubt

[late swallow]

i already do that on a daily basis

[low bridge]

Hope for Long Snout Bear: Agriotherium

[flint sable]

wait what

what is Longisquama now

[hollow furnace]

A drepenosaur

[flint sable]

oh wtf thats fire

[autumn plank]

it would be to see on the mini exhibits someday is the recently discovered species called Mirasaura grauvogeli

[lean spindle]

i think more chasmosaurines would be cool even if it’s after ea, id love to see how they color their larger frills if ever added

[shell sonnet]

Ceratopsians should wait for about 20-30 other full species get before we add more of them

[open heron]

Pentaceratops should be the sole exception to this... and also Udanoceratops if we find more material.

(Diabloceratops is goated too but I think it can wait)

[late swallow]

Diablo would be a better exception

[open heron]

Chasmosaurines just need the boost a bit more and Penta's got decently well described postcrania that's fairly distinctive

(has a different bodyshape compared to 99% of other ceratopsids who mostly look the same when the head is obscured)

[shell sonnet]

Udano can disappear for all I care; if there's a Leptoceroid that should be in the games it's Lepto itself

Diablo is honestly overhyped

[late swallow]

be nice to my son 😦

[shell sonnet]

"be nice to my failson", fixed that for ya

[open heron]

Nah, it looks cool and it's fairly small too.
Not sure how much material we have but it at least has the coolest looking skull of any centrosaurine imo.

[open heron]

average ceratopsian remains be like.

[shell sonnet]

nah, other ceratopsians usually some other postcranial material

as it is, there's like only one or two specimen

[open heron]

Often not enough to make it look distinct.
Pentaceratops therefor always wins.

(a lot of it is moreso not being described well from what i've heared, rather than not actually being missing but still)

So peak, slap that guy with an alt or two and make us never need another derived ceratopsid ever again.

[steep tulip]

Udano haters are just intimidated by that jaw

[late swallow]

Throat Goat

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cow-sus-dwayne-the-cow-johnson-cow-cow-eyebrow-cow-suspicious-gif-27165701

[open heron]

TBH I feel like they're more intimidated by the fact it's basically all we have of it lol.

such a goated skull, need more remains now.

[steep tulip]

Who cares

We all know ceratopsids anatomy ends at the head
Rest is spare parts

[open heron]

not true, what if Udanoceratops learns from Pentaceratops and decides to be based.

[steep tulip]

Can't be right

[austere sparrow]

He looks like that reaction image yall keep using. Of the guy putting a hand on a shoulder

[steep tulip]

As udano is already based

[open heron]

You can be based and still make a decision that isn't based.

[modern totem]

Udano my goat

[austere sparrow]

I do like Diabloceratops somewhat. But I like every Ceratopsian I really pay any amount of attention to somewhat so I'm not sure how much that should count in its favor.

We have Protoceratops already we don't need Udano ( 🦀 🪣 ) if you want a bighead beastie start begging for Erythrosuchus instead

He was in a meme once

Very fame

[open heron]

(Leptoceratopsids and Protoceratopsids are two different groups tbf.)

[austere sparrow]

Good point. Remove Protoceratops too in that case, Leptoceratops alone suffices.

...Oh, right. We don't have Leptoceratops.

Uh

Right. Maybe we should delete every Ceratopsian but Triceratops and Psittacosaurus to make things more fair.

...Yknow what Triceratops is favoritism. Psittac only.

[steep tulip]

We add every asian stegosaur instead

[austere sparrow]

Yes.

[open heron]

You can't have a zoo game without Styracosaurus

[steep tulip]

Making space for what really matters

[austere sparrow]

True. Better cancel the game before the absence of Styracosaurus causes a black hole to open or whatever..

[flint sable]

planet zoo

somehow hasnt collapsed into a black hole yet

[open heron]

They're planning on adding it in the dinosaur pack on August 12th 2036.

[flint sable]

maybe because its classified as an animal farming simulator instead of a zoo game, at least in the franchise mode

not sure though

[austere sparrow]

Planet Zoo has Styracosaurus mods and I think that mightbe what's appeasing the Styraco gods for now

[open heron]

If Frontier doesn't make the dinosaur pack on August 12th 2036 they will immediately go backrupt and explode

[austere sparrow]

Looks like they might be going backrupt and eploding already if their financial troubles are any indication. The Styraco gods are capricious, indeed...

[shell sonnet]

Yes you can, the first dino park zoo game didn't have it

[open heron]

And nobody rememered it even existed.

It was punished for its crimes

(actually it was established before the rules were created but we like to pretend it's still affected anyways)

[shell sonnet]

Nah... people remember Dinopark Tycoon if they're old enough; hell that was all one really had

[austere sparrow]

Dinopark Tycoon?

[shell sonnet]

1993 game, probably the oldest dino zoo game

[austere sparrow]

Damn

[austere sparrow]

Damn bitch you live like this

😭

I am sure it was a technological marvel for the time but like. Ooof

[shell sonnet]

this is all we got for animals

looks better when you fill stuff out

[open heron]

It was lucky to release when it did
for when Microsoft and Blue Fang signed the contract with the dark ones back in 2002, things were changed forever...

[austere sparrow]

Tf is "Vegasaurus"

'Panaplosaurus' lel

[open heron]

That one's just a special joke dinosaur IIRC.

[shell sonnet]

a joke animal; if you tired to purchase it the claw that grabs eggs to put in your basket would "accidentally "drop it

[open heron]

Back when zoo games had whimsy and weren't just animal mill simulators.

(Thanks for having like 5% whimsy with all the hidden jokes PK, you're carrying this shit rn)

(the dino gummys with 0 dinosaurs in them, so fun.)

[open heron]

Lowkey based with the large ornithopod selection honestly.

[austere sparrow]

Considering Parasaurolophus isn't among them I feel like that just might be because of an asset recycling situation 😅

...Then again I guess maybe this predates Parasaurolophus getting stupidly famous, I suppose.

[open heron]

I think they just picked the dinosaurs they wanted tbh

[shell sonnet]

Hadro is on the list so no

[shell sonnet]

Para was tied with Cory for the best known hadrosaur by the late eighties

[smoky spear]

add parasaurolophus tubicens

[open heron]

Hadro was fairly frequently used in books and stuff back in the day so it was probably picked based on that... would've been nicer if it was Para or Maia but I'm not gonna complain about it.

[shell sonnet]

like this is roughly how often Para was illustrated in dino books pre-90s

[open heron]

Yo, you've actually got something keeping chart of old books!? Really been interested to see stuff like this.

[smoky spear]

people keep track of this shit?

[open heron]

how frequently do Scelidosaurus, Segnosaurus, and Massospondylus pop up, those three I've always been curious on because they seem to have massive dips at certain points in time from my experience, really want to see the hard data on those..

[shell sonnet]

I do but it only goes up to '89 and well... older books are harder to find

[shell sonnet]

This was a Covid project and well, I'll just give you intro spiel I wrote:

"My questioning mainly emerged from three different questions: at what point did Apatosaurus become preferred over Brontosaurus, how long did it take after the release of the first Jurassic Park film for Velociraptor to become a household and were there dinosaurs that used to be decently known in the past that are basically unknown today besides Trachodon?

Why books over other pieces of media like film? A big reason is sample size. There are way more books with or about dinosaurs than films. Accessibility and speed is another reason; it was much easier to get a large sample of books and complete them in a few hours than to go over a movie and just hope it will call an animal by name. This is not to disregard the massive influence movies and toys have (one would be foolish to think that any of these books had as much impact as King Kong or Jurassic Park), just a statement that this was the best that could be done."

Also Love in the Time of Chasmosaurus is one of my favorite dino blogs

[open heron]

Does Velociraptor show up at all before the dinosaur renaissance? Been trying to find if there's any depictions of pre-renaissance dromies out there.

[shell sonnet]

Give me a few minutes, I need to reset my internet

[feral cedar]

I'm 90% sure Herrerasaurus is coming in post EA

Would it be material to be free or DLC though?

[open heron]

could go either way tbh.

[wild relic]

Honestly yeah If more Triassic animals are coming later post ea Herrera would be one of them

We could even have some other herrerasaurs as alts

[ancient ibex]

Udano+Lepto is the way to go, Lepto can readily be an alt via ontogeny

[late swallow]

Yes you can

[austere sparrow]

No you can't, weren't you listening? If you try, the Styraco gods murder you with a black hole

[austere sparrow]

🦀 🪣 Udano + Lepto can probably wait until after we finally got our second non-pleistocene mammal ngl 😔

[ancient ibex]

We already have 3

[shell sonnet]

@open heron

And no, I don't have any books listed with V-raptor illustrated before 1972 in Glut's dino dictionary, which might the earliest dino encyclopedia

[austere sparrow]

Alts don't count

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, Velociraptor was pretty much just a skull until the fighting dinosaurs, which was discovered at roughly that time, after Deinonychus

[shell sonnet]

They had the claws and the like as well before then as well

[ancient ibex]

Unarticulated and assumed to belong to the hand tho

[shell sonnet]

The reality is that book publishers just went to the same old animals again for the books because the science was in a bad state

[ancient ibex]

Massive glowup

[austere sparrow]

It's kinda funny to me that people found this and their conclusion wasn't "Oh yeah Protoceratops was absolutely eating that motherfucker"

[shell sonnet]

One thing to note about the fighting dinosaurs; it was found by a Polish team and information travels slowly across the iron curtain. Like this is one of the earliest illustrations of V-raptor in a book from '77 in a western book.
Notice the distinct lack of raptor features.

[wary nacelle]

Magyarosaurus cause why not

[modern totem]

Why not all of the dinosaurs and prehistoric mammals

[shell sonnet]

How about the fact we don't have much of Magyaro

[smoky spear]

yeah

unfortunately due to this it got kicked out of my dwarf sauropod wishlist

[shell sonnet]

The reality is that any Magyarosaurus model is going to be essentially Rapetosaurus, and well... sorry people don't have the maturity for that one

[late swallow]

Sauropoda at large tbh

[toxic oriole]

Adult Sauropod shrunken down because of the island it was on

[shell sonnet]

Well yes, but there are still quite a few that aren't fragmentary

[ancient ibex]

Eh, about as complete as Hatzegopteryx lol

[steep tulip]

Its very possible that magyarosaurus was bigger than often depicted tbh
I don't think it's remains are all that well studied

[steep tulip]

Also why do they use rapetosaurus for magyaro? Pretty sure they are often found to belong different groups

[left spear]

Look i like maggy but that doesn't help it's case

[ancient ibex]

IMO it covers the dwarf island sauropod niche quite well, as it has other dwarf island dinosaurs to go with it, versus Europasaurus being on its own

[steep tulip]

If its bigger it still is europasaurus sized (or slightly bigger), so its still is a valid pick yeah

[ancient ibex]

Magyarosaurus/Telmatosaurus/Zalmoxes/Struthiosaurus combo gogogo

[winter willow]

Has anyone suggested Smok? I’d love to see more Triassic species. It’s such a fascinating period that is rarely represented in popular media

[cosmic cosmos]

Try ctrl+f

[winter willow]

The aetosaurs would also be cool inclusions

[winter willow]

I’m on mobile ATM

[shell sonnet]

So does Rapeto; Majung, Maisaka, and we've already got Simosuchus coming as a mini, plus that frog everyone wants for some reason

[ancient ibex]

Rapeto with 2 ceratosaurs and 2 minis doesn't have that energy

Plus it isn't a dwarf titanosaur

[austere sparrow]

Rapeto is too big for my mini needs. But also Europasaurus is clearly the best island mini sauropod hands down if you go by completeness to the point that the focus on Magy is kinda funny imo

Like if you're willing to consider Rapeto as a Mini Sauropod, might as well just go for the more complete (I believe?) Euhelopus at that point

Saltasaurus sweeps also

[shell sonnet]

Rapeto isn't as complete as Euhelopus, but it's still pretty good

[austere sparrow]

Oh. Not that bad I guess

[shell sonnet]

That is a juv, I admit

[austere sparrow]

I was wondering why it was smaller than I remembered lol

[ancient ibex]

That's a juvenile tho

[austere sparrow]

Thought I was just being silly

[shell sonnet]

As I said

[ancient ibex]

As I read later

I personally would prefer Saltasaurus ngl

[shell sonnet]

Well, yes, I would too by a wide margin

[austere sparrow]

...I guess chances are the devs will go for Magyarosaurus if they have an island dwarf Sauropod at all, because it's the most famous one. Unless they release Rapeto alongside Majungasaurus, I suppose.

Yeah Saltasaurus would be neat

[ancient ibex]

Magyarosaurus gets the Hatzeg pass

Saltasaurus is the iconic anchor of titanosaurs and even sauropods as a whole

[shell sonnet]

That's the issue, I think Hatzeg is overhyped

[ancient ibex]

It'd make a neat pack

[austere sparrow]

Damn, Erior shirking all of his "no garbage remains animals" and "no animals included solely for their location" standards?

[tough marsh]

Malawisaurus

[austere sparrow]

Gesundheit!

[shell sonnet]

Plus if we don't get aviary animals, what's the point of a Hateg island pack

[shell sonnet]

That's a good one, just learned about it yesterday

[ancient ibex]

It has the most viable way to get Rhabdodonts, and the better approach to get more diversity via insular dwarfism and gigantism

[austere sparrow]

Malawisaurus is neat

[tough marsh]

Yeah it’s such a small sauropod from Africa

[austere sparrow]

Although I feel like it's probably not standout or popular enough to have much of a chance

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah, it is neat

But, once again, Saltasaurus lol

[ancient ibex]

Rhabdodonts, miniature hadrosaurs, miniature titanosaurs, giant jeholorn

[austere sparrow]

We really found your glubshitto weakness here, Erior

Wouldn't mind any of these either but. Amusement.

[ancient ibex]

Literally all species featured in Prehistoric Planet, sans Balaur

C'mon, tell us what you want

[austere sparrow]

Prehistoric Planet was great for Maastrichtian funky shit

But I do feel like it didn't linger on individual animals enough to consider anything that didn't get multiple segments as no longer obscure, assuming it was before

Like. Olorotitan is an animal I would kinda love to see despite the fact that the only thing it really brings to the table is slightly different aesthetics to an animal that's already ingame but I don't exactly feel like it measures up to even Saurolophus and Maiasaura in terms of Hadrosaur fame now, despite how prominent it was in PP

...Although I suppose maybe that's just because I am biased against PP in a sense for being a new documentary, or hell, even for showering us in dozens of Hadrosaurs, with most of them being pretty interchangeable

[plush nacelle]

I dont feel like PP made any obscure taxon more popular like say walking with series. Famous species got more spotlight

I can be wrong

But cant name anything notable

[shell sonnet]

Even walking with really only made Lio more famous

[austere sparrow]

I wouldn't consider Triceratops and Edmontosaurus roles in WWD to be fame boosters for them either, for comparison

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Literally every single one of the named Australian taxa.

[plush nacelle]

Triceratops in WWD was a cameo corpse lol

[austere sparrow]

Exactly

But it was onscreen

And yet.

[plush nacelle]

Maybe dreadnoughtus got upscale?

[shell sonnet]

Meh... maybe it's because I'm older than most but I already heard of Mutta and Leally (or most animals in the show for that matter)

Also I'm not British

[austere sparrow]

Oh, I guess particularly memorable setpieces might have helped too

I do feel like WWD also improved the popularity of Postosuchus and Placerias but like

...I guess it mostly uses animals that were p famous already

[plush nacelle]

Oh. Mononykus definitely could be one.

[austere sparrow]

Oh, and Eustreptospondylus, relatively (considering it's an utter nothingburger taxon)

Oh Mononykus I can see that

Maybe Barbaridactylus too? Not sure, but JWE2 seemed to think so

[shell sonnet]

the joke is that they it added to give that section more star appeal

[austere sparrow]

Lmao what

In what world

[shell sonnet]

the UK

apparently

and that of David Martill

[austere sparrow]

Dang

Anyway I guess like. One thing to keep in mind with media fame boosting is that it's like. Proportional, I guess?

[ancient ibex]

What the hell is this opinion

[austere sparrow]

Liopleurodon became the most well known Pliosaur thanks to WWD but it also increased more in fame, for lack of a better term, than Polacanthus did. And Koolasuchus probably had a larger overall increase in fame but is still less famous than Lio.

[ancient ibex]

Koolasuchus is literally just this

People fixated on the WW carnivores

[austere sparrow]

Prehistoric Planet is new, and exists in an age where we have dozens of documentaries (even if far lower quality ones) already, so it has less of an impact than something like WWD, which was one of a few options in that genre for a long time

[ancient ibex]

Oh, and the hipster takes on Hell Creek

"no let's not use Triceratops and Edmontosaurus"

Cue utter misunderstanding the biotope

Or going with the crap about "dinosaurs were dying out already" because science advisors for WW were quite regressive

Turned out well with parental care tho

[plush nacelle]

WW isnt the most accurate series out there

[ancient ibex]

But otherwise, sheeesh

WWD is pretty much the one spiritual sequel to JP, but JP was more on point science-wise lol

[austere sparrow]

WWD is definitely outdated as shit lol. And well, was quite inaccruate even when it aired, especially when it cames to creature sizes. But the cultural impact it had is undeniable lol

[shell sonnet]

in the uk

[plush nacelle]

Triassic - dinosaurs are the best, everything else is going to die
Cretaceous- dinosaurs dumb and going to die pretty soon

[austere sparrow]

Idk it seemed pretty impactful in most of central Europe and in the States too

Being easily accesible in those languages helped too, whereas PP now is sequestered onto one of a dozen streaming services

[ancient ibex]

Funny how the Triassic was the age of crocs, but the T-J extinction got rid of the warm blooded ones and only the secondarily cold blooded ones survived

WWD was shown in prime time in major TV stations over here

Literally touted as a big event

[plush nacelle]

Watch out surviving earth bringing nanuqsaurus to super popular levels

[shell sonnet]

I knew absolutely no one who watched WWD in the states and I was at the right age for this stuff; it was on a cable channel that most kids didn't watch

[austere sparrow]

Nanuqsaurus has been in so much stuff lately, lol. PrePla, Amazing Dinoworld had it I believe, Dinosauria...

[shell sonnet]

There's another dino overhyped by documentaries

[ancient ibex]

Back when it premiered in Spain, 3.5M viewers (on a country of 47M), 27% share

[austere sparrow]

I definitely heard from American peeps before that WWD was a big deal for them too

[mint creek]

From Wikipedia By late 2000, 200 million people worldwide had seen the Walking with Dinosaurs.[18] By 2005 the number had increased to almost 400 million[14] and by 2009 it was around 700 million;[30] unprecedented numbers for a palaeontology programme.

[austere sparrow]

Altho I guess probably not as big as it was in Europe if there were indeed numbers like this

[amber field]

And don't forget who they watched online free, so the number would much higher.

[shell sonnet]

that number likely is including online views

[glass snow]

I mean we have leally is basically just this

[plush nacelle]

To be fair idea about south polar dinosaurs is awesome

[glass snow]

There are way more complete ones than leally but we still got leally

Leally is literally mostly known from a tail that possibly isn’t even it and wwd

it still got in

[plush nacelle]

Cretaceous Polar Forests Pack with stegouros, koolasuchus, australovenator and antarctic plants from alexander island would go hard

[glass snow]

I don’t give a crap about koola and never even grew up with wwd but it would be a fine edition with probably a siderops alt.

it is like one of the largest of Brachyopoidea named

from a unique time period for its group and place.

yes its a fragment but its inclusion like leally would mostly because of its niche as a Brachyopoid, its unique time period of being the possible last and its size. Also yes wwd fame but you can say the same of why people know about leally at all other than the tail.

leally is like a cranium and maxilla

[austere sparrow]

Considering Leally and Carch, I really do not think the devs care about remain completeness and honestly like. Why should they anyway lol

Sure, you get a Spinosaurus or Deinocheirus situation every so often but most animals do just tend to resemble their close relatives, and like

The devs do repeatedly say that they aren't aiming for accuraccy

I would love for PK to become an interactive museum for extinct taxa but. It isn't. It doesn't seem whatsoever interested in trying to be

So expecting animals to be disincluded for being fragmentary garbage or included for being relevant specifically to science but not Paleomedia itself is. Probably not realistic honestly

[shell sonnet]

We actually have this, which is still not great admittedly

[glass snow]

the tail as I said is not assiocated with holotype material

and can be from any elasmarian from the formation

and is not confidentially considered leally anymore

all of the postcrania are really.

[shell sonnet]

True

that's just this

With Leally and Carca though, I think thre reasoning probably came down to them wanting to get stuff from WWD and attach something with Spino

Not one I really share

[ancient ibex]

Elasmarians are great, and the ones we got are the biggest names, even if they were mostly known as "Australian hypsilophodont and iguanodont" in their claim to early fame

Thesc and Tenonto are cooler tho lol

[shell sonnet]

I mean Tenonto's fame is being dinner

Would be nice to get the Cloverly gang back though

[wild relic]

Yeah Acro just lonely currently

[austere sparrow]

Leaellyna is cuter than Thesc

Do still want my grumpy grampa "Hypsilophodont" though

Tenonto I like but it has aggressively different vibes from Mutta considering their (seeming) similarities so it feels a bit weird to compare, but I would say Mutta is cooler imo

It has a tootie nose and it lived through polar winters, that's plenty cool

Tooooot. 🎺

Tooting makes you cooler, that's why Parasaurolophus and Corythosaurus are the most famoustest Hadrosaurs. Peer reviewed and scientifically proven, yes yes.

[feral cedar]

Giant jeholorn?

[austere sparrow]

Means these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeholornithidae

The confident declaration of Balaur as a Jeholornithid stroke me as a bit weird but I vaguely recall hearing something like that before so I decided to just not question it lol

[ancient ibex]

It is a weird-ass animal tho

[austere sparrow]

Emphasis on "ass"

Because, damn

Big booty

[shell sonnet]

It is but doesn't change the fact most know as something Deino dined on

Hell you can buy toys of Tenoto corpses

[ancient ibex]

I mean, Jeholornis is pretty much a non-pygostylian bird closer to modern birds than to Archaeopteryx, Balaur keeps getting recovered at that part of the tree

[shell sonnet]

which usually only exisit for household names

[steep tulip]

I'm tenonto pilled idc why its famous I just want it in the game

[ancient ibex]

That's the curse of dinosaur merch; all theropods, plus stegosaurus, ankylosaurus, ceratopsid and lambeosaur headshots, and food clades

[shell sonnet]

eh... the collector market is better; I was able to snag a Tenontosaurus toy for a coworker (because I labeled him as one)

[left spear]

Parasaurolophus is also theropods fodder on media, It wasn't a worth while addition

[feral cedar]

I want Tenontosaurus and Thescelosaurus ngl, it sucks that they were replaced

[austere sparrow]

Dinosaur toy situation has actually kinda improved recently lol

[left spear]

Bruh i'm sorry but that's a shit ass argument

[shell sonnet]

it was tied with Cory as the best known hadrosaur before JP came out

[austere sparrow]

Not sure what counts as a food clade but we do get more and more Sauropods and Stegosaurs and such lately

[feral cedar]

toys are not a good metric for measuring popularity imo

[shell sonnet]

I would argue otherwise

[steep tulip]

Fodder dinos
So hadrosaurs and similarly shaped animals

[late swallow]

Real, especially when you list toys as only being like 80% of Dinosauria

[feral cedar]

The JW franchise’s hyperfixation with “look we’re so smart, we know this extremely obscure species” is on full display

[steep tulip]

I love getting glupshittos in my game

[austere sparrow]

"Look at this obscure dinosaur we know"
Look inside
It's an ichnogenus

[feral cedar]

Name me one child who gets excited and asks mommy and daddy to buy him PIATNITZKYSAURUS

[late swallow]

We've had obscure dinosaur toys since we figured out how to injection mold buckets o dinosaurs

[tacit valley]

I would love to see both a trunked and trunkless Macrauchenia

[steep tulip]

Waiter! Waiter! More dinosaurs known from 2 bones in my franchise please

[late swallow]

I CANT EVEN PRONOUNXE THAT

[feral cedar]

the JW franchise using an ichnogenus was a new low

[austere sparrow]

The most interesting thing that happened to Piatnitzkysaurus this decade is that one time CM Kosemen happenstancedly spat on it during his "what if a medium sized glubshitto theropod decided to eat you" video

[steep tulip]

What ichnogenus

[late swallow]

Wait, which one

[steep tulip]

In the toys you mean?

[shell sonnet]

It's not what got made into a toy, but how often it is that matters especially if you're looking at a pre-JP world

[feral cedar]

https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/Farlowichnus

[steep tulip]

💀

[austere sparrow]

It has "ichnus" in its name lmfao

[steep tulip]

It's beautiful

[late swallow]

I want what they're smoking

[feral cedar]

They’ll give anything but more herbivores a toy

[mint creek]

They were so cool for that

[late swallow]

Other than Theri

[austere sparrow]

They do have quite a few herbivores

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/prezoh-prezoh-letterbox-prezoh-movie-prezoh-one-star-prezoh-sad-gif-1188842066413437196

[steep tulip]

Jw theri is shaped like a carnivore

And not like a theri

[late swallow]

I really wanted that 30 anniversary brachi

[late swallow]

Real

[steep tulip]

Ornithischians getting the low end of the stick

[feral cedar]

It’s because Trevorrow the damn doofus thought theri was a carnivore or something lol

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to the Collector catering brands. The Haolongood Brachiosaurus is a fucking beauty I tell you

[mint creek]

https://tenor.com/view/abysmal-dogshit-gif-12732720091837856159

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/yungviral-gif-9161967965362335111

Trevorrow

[austere sparrow]

PNSO is consistently high quality even if they sometimes get up to bullshit like releasing six Carcharodontosaurs in a row or depicting fragmentary and dubious genera

[late swallow]

Pnso has a Tyrannotitan toy

[steep tulip]

Also cheekless ceratopsians

[ancient ibex]

I got some cool stuff, gotta nab Udano...

[austere sparrow]

Tyrannotitan and Mapusaurus and Meraxes and Giganotosaurus...

[steep tulip]

They give me the freaks

Like that image of the horse witha a dog mouth lol

[austere sparrow]

Don't actually own all that many PNSO models yet cuz they're pretty pricey and like

[steep tulip]

I want to buy the new guy

[austere sparrow]

They're great models but like. Oof

[steep tulip]

Related to tany

I forgot

[austere sparrow]

Which guy?

Oh that guy uh

[steep tulip]

That's one great

[austere sparrow]

Asian Dinocephalosaurus

Great figure, love how happy it looks

[steep tulip]

Mostly because they never make that many toys of pterosaurs and aquatics

[austere sparrow]

They did apparently severely scrunchify it

But it still looks great

[steep tulip]

There are some anatomical stinkers, but idc
It's mostly good as a toy and I ain't complaining

[austere sparrow]

Fair

I usually prefer Haolongood but they did recently coat themselves in 'glory' getting caught copying a skeletal without permission and mulching entire shipments worth of already finished models over it

[tacit valley]

Also would love to have a Sivatherium with Bramatherium and/or Shansitherium alts

[shell sonnet]

that's just a big Okapi

[mint creek]

I'm afraid Sivatherium is kill...

😔

[inland sierra]

Do we or do we not have a big bear and a big deer in the game?

[shell sonnet]

I don't really those ones either; also they're better known

[inland sierra]

Extra points for the sivatherium, if ya ask me

[ancient ibex]

I mean, giraffes are just long okapies

[tacit valley]

We've already established time and time again to never really believe Mau lol

[inland sierra]

Sæd. Far from a fav or priority for me but woulda rly digged it regardless

[mint creek]

Where were you when Sivatherium is kill

[inland sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-china-communism-ccp-cigarette-gif-14199294749066463830

[shell sonnet]

Yes, and giraffes look more interesting than Silva; in any case, there's quite a few more mammals I'd like to see before Silva

[plush nacelle]

Peak animal

[austere sparrow]

Ohhh do you have a list?

[left spear]

Even worse, when he found out It was a herbivore he wanted to remove It from the film.

The one good thing It had

[austere sparrow]

Also as the resident "Big modern animal" hater can I just say.
I actually want big Okapi 🥹

[tacit valley]

Gonna suggest Gigantspino with Yingshano alt for possible future Asian jurassic DLC

[austere sparrow]

feel like I've seen this exact post just a couple days ago

[left spear]

It's this server, what did you expect.

[shell sonnet]

A working list but here are some:

Eohippus angustidens, Megatherium americanum, Anisodon grande, Glyptodon reticulatus/Doedicurus clavicaudatus, Uintatherium insperatus, Amphicyon major/ingens, Ceratogaulus hatcheri, Deinotherium giganteum

yes I know Megatherium is likely to come

[austere sparrow]

Gud list

Big horny gopher spotted

[shell sonnet]

I've got one for aerial, marines, Paleozoic, non-Mesozoic, Cenozoic, and recently extinct, but again, they're works in progress

[austere sparrow]

Neat

[feral cedar]

No Chalicotherium?

[shell sonnet]

Anisodon grande is Chalico after the latter downgraded

[feral cedar]

But Oviraptor

[shell sonnet]

Ovi is much better known

[feral cedar]

give me Anisodon before Chalicotherium if we get Citipati before Oviraptor

[shell sonnet]

And personally, I would have made Citipati an alt

[feral cedar]

Same for Chalicotherium

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, between Oviraptor and Brachiosaurus I do feel like we might actually just get Chalicotherium proper

[plush nacelle]

Chalicotherium proper is such a fraud pick ngl. It always been anisodon - chalicotherium - grande.

[shell sonnet]

yes, but Ovi is on a higher tier than Chalico

same with Brachi; kind of annoying that they mention Giraffititan in the loading screen but don't include it

[feral cedar]

Ah, Deinonychus, Citipati, and Giraffatitan. The holy trinity of animals known by a different name

[shell sonnet]

You forgot Stenonychosaurus

[feral cedar]

not anymore

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah, still Stenonychosaurus

Troodon is but a parasitic name

[feral cedar]

lol whatever happened to the neotype situation?

[plush nacelle]

Wors part is chalicotherium not even being that funny. It had more tame appearance with typical horse head shape, big size and proportionally shorter arms. Meanwhile anisodon is the one going full monkey mode

[feral cedar]

How long does the ICZN take to make a ruling

[low bridge]

Tylocephalonyx & Ancylotherium,Nestoritherium should Fit in Prehistoric Kingdom

[plush nacelle]

I cant even get anisodon alt, if they are going to ultimately pick chalicotherium

[feral cedar]

I’m VERY interested in the Two Medicine troodontid in any case, it’s a great find by NA troodontid standards

Curious to see skeletals

Is it Stenonychosaurus?

A new species distinct from inequalis?

[low bridge]

Deinotherium Bozasi, Stegotetrabelodon Syrticus, Climacoceras where?

[feral cedar]

You already have Deinotherium

[low bridge]

2species for Deinotherium is max

[feral cedar]

Do we need 2 species though

[short rover]

No

[shell sonnet]

I build my list on the idea of 10 habitat and 5 mini; except dinos because well, dinos

[feral cedar]

the hell is a Climacoceras

[late swallow]

A glubshitto

[shell sonnet]

part of the giraffe super family

[plush nacelle]

I am crazy, but are most EZ unusual ungulates giraffes?

[late swallow]

Seems so

[short rover]

EZ has an affinity for giraffes and camels

[feral cedar]

tf

that’s just a deer

[plush nacelle]

Game could use average ungulate tho.

[short rover]

Deer giraffe is actually kinda cool

[feral cedar]

uh

[late swallow]

Oh my God this Wikipedia page

It's abhorrent, even for extinct mammal standards

[plush nacelle]

Probably something from miocene eurasia to go well with deinotherium and chalicotheres

[tacit valley]

Gonna end today with some terrarium species first 2 being Heterodontosaurus and Drepanosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Or white river for daeodon and hyeanodon

[shell sonnet]

You know if you want a weird deer like mammal, you could ask for Prolibytherium

[late swallow]

THERE IS ONE SUBSECTION: REFERENCES

[ancient ibex]

They are lumping Stenonycho onto it just because, because Troodon is a toxic taxon

[feral cedar]

there’s several better giraffe relatives and weird artiodactyls that don’t look just like a deer

[feral cedar]

oh

[late swallow]

We already have "bigass deer"

[feral cedar]

but like, if we look past Troodon, what is the Two Medicine troodontid?

[ancient ibex]

A troodontine

[feral cedar]

that’s it?

[shell sonnet]

Yeah, but that was like the most boring option (though the best known to be fair)

[hollow furnace]

Well, not just because

[ancient ibex]

Because there is no proper work done on NA troodonts other than going down on "is Troodon"

[hollow furnace]

Stenon is an invalid genus

[ancient ibex]

They think so

[feral cedar]

They killed my boy?

[plush nacelle]

Good. Now time for average sized deer

[hollow furnace]

The holotype is undiagnostic

[late swallow]

You know who else is undiagnostic?

[feral cedar]

how??

[hollow furnace]

It’s a foot

[ancient ibex]

Which is quite rich coming from a paper trying to reestablish Troodon

AKA "60 years as a Pachycephalosaur"

[feral cedar]

…yeah, so?

Anomalipes is a foot

[hollow furnace]

A foot with no diagnostic characters

[ancient ibex]

The holotype is a troodont foot and troodont feet aren't really throughly comparable

[late swallow]

We have genera that are just leg

[feral cedar]

oh no

[ancient ibex]

And thus they go with the "historically relevant" argument

Which I call bullshit on it

[feral cedar]

if Troodon is a tooth and Stenon is a foot and these aren’t diagnostic then what do we do

[shell sonnet]

we create a new genera: Stenonodon

[ancient ibex]

Seeing Troodon wasn't linked with Saurornithoids until 1987, 130 years after its description, and spent 60 years as a Pachycephalosaur genus, to the point the type species of Pachycephalosaurus was originally a Troodon species

[ancient ibex]

Neotype

[hollow furnace]

Welcome to the wonders that is the northern United States/southern Canada troodontines

[ancient ibex]

But Troodon IMO should be killed

[hollow furnace]

I’m just waiting for Albertavenator to explode too

[ancient ibex]

It is a sacrifice I'm very willing to make to understand those animals

Trachodon and Deinodon are dead

[hollow furnace]

It’s just been sitting in the background, trying to stay quiet

[ancient ibex]

Mongolian Troodontines are well understood

[feral cedar]

I worship the Saurornithoides/Zanabazar alt duo

[ancient ibex]

We had a nice thing with Saurornithoiididae

[glass snow]

troodon should be killed

but people refuse to let it go

[ancient ibex]

Currie shouldn't have jumped to lump everything in the campanomaastrichian into it

Of course Greg Paul lumped Saurornithoides into it the following year

But going with Troodon for a conserved name and a neotype, for "historical importance", after it spent from 1924 until 1987 as a pachycephalosaur, is just a disregard for history

Stenonychosaurus is the animal that was known to be close to Saurornithoides, and is the animal the Dinosauroid was modelled after. Troodon should have gone the way of Trachodon and Deinodon....

But that's an opinion, and taxonomic-centric papers are at the end of the day opinion-heavy crap

[feral cedar]

To be honest I think if a neotype is the best option and we have to choose between two troodontid genera known from undiagnostic remains, it should default to the geographically closest one, which in this case is Troodon

simple as

[ancient ibex]

So, what do we lump into Deinodon; Albertosaurus, Gorgosaurus or Daspletosaurus?

[glass snow]

^

[feral cedar]

Daspletosaurus ig

lol

Or just avoid the drama and give a new species to the Two Medicine troodontid

[late swallow]

Quick reminder that P. wyomingensis and A. lithographica are also conserved names

[feral cedar]

Montanovenator dagnosticus

[late swallow]

Also isn't this deep into sci chat territory

[feral cedar]

not really

we’re discussing troodontid taxonomy in the context of which NA one could go into PK

[ancient ibex]

wyomingensis is the conserved name, as the type was TROODON wyomingensis, and the type of Pachycephalosaurus was P. grangeri

grangeri was found to be the same as wyomingensis, but the genus name was kept because Troodon was a generic tooth

[late swallow]

The binomen is conserved, that's what I said

[glass snow]

Tylosteus ornatus is the rejected name btw

but this is sci chat

stuff and pachy was considered a species of troodon

the type species is a junior synoymn as Erior said

[ancient ibex]

Tylosteous was also a bone scrap

But seriously, pachycephalosaurs are the main reason I don't think Troodon is useful

[glass snow]

either way troodon is a scrappy tooth taxon which should have never had any value

steno had more historic value

[shell sonnet]

I mean, back then it did

[glass snow]

it is the dinosauroid

[shell sonnet]

when it was found

[glass snow]

it was considered a pachycephalosaur and the pachycephalosaurus itself was in it for a while til relatively recently

[ancient ibex]

We have 60 years of literature of the name being linked to those, and suddenly every single NA saurornithoidiid is Troodon formosus, and Saurornithoidiids are refered to as Troodontids

Stuff about Troodontidae from before 1987 will give you Pachycephalosaurs

[feral cedar]

should the Two Medicine troodontid have its own genus or be a Stenon neotype

[desert flame]

Drepanosaurus is rumored to be an arboreal lizard that will be added in Update 16.

[late swallow]

Make it troodon just to piss everyone off

[glass snow]

I mean we have a ugru and sauro if the devs like the name they can add it.

the reason for ugru is literally the devs liked the name.

[late swallow]

It's a pretty dope name

[ancient ibex]

Being an ass doesn't really bring much to the world

[glass snow]

and that is fine but I don’t really want troodon

but it is up to the devs really also adding species out of spite is not good

[ancient ibex]

I personally wouldn't mind Troodon in-game by the logic of Sauro and Ugru

[shell sonnet]

Not always, but majority yes

[late swallow]

I was talking about Ugru

[ancient ibex]

a large Campanian NA saurornithoiid is IMO a must for the game

[feral cedar]

Wait wait

[ancient ibex]

So Troodon as a name may be likely

[feral cedar]

What about

Latenivenatrix

[ancient ibex]

Give it a Djadotcha alt

[feral cedar]

(did I spell it right?)

[ancient ibex]

It literally was found to be a synonym of Stenonychosaurus by the guy who described it

[glass snow]

saurornitho my beloved

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-confused-gif-15712129875520007531

[glass snow]

the one true troodontid or should I say Saurornithoidid

[ancient ibex]

Only missing member of the Gobi '24 quartet

Overshadowed by the goddamn Troodon discussion

[feral cedar]

wait so what material was used to name Lateni

also undiagnostic feet?

[ancient ibex]

Among other stuff

Keep in mind, Stenonycho has more stuff than the holotype assigned

[feral cedar]

damn

Erior if you had to choose one NA troodont what would it be

[plush nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-17783181506241965318

[ancient ibex]

Stenonycho

[desert flame]

If a Troodontidae family is added, the well-known Mei may be added.