Community Species Suggestions

[low bridge]

So noooo hate

[austere sparrow]

I do feel like Corythosaurus is low enough down the "token favorite dinosaurs" list that the devs will probably still have to try with whatever DLC they put it in 😅
But I mean hey, chances are they would be doing that anyway, so, yeah. Not like we're talking about some of the more baffling Planet Zoo DLC rosters here.

[low bridge]

No spoilers what lived there

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, same issue Mononykus runs into, they could work either way...

[open heron]

You underestimate all the sticklers who will be copping it for the TLW builds

[austere sparrow]

But it's not in TLW tho....

[ancient ibex]

C'mon, Mono and Caudi, I want my 90's revolutionary quasibirds

[open heron]

I swear it was for like a second?

[ancient ibex]

Not you Protoavis

[austere sparrow]

It was in the brochure!

The one. Ludlow or Roland? Was holding

It does appear in JP3 tho

[open heron]

either way, JP fans will want Corythosaurus and there's a lot of them.

[austere sparrow]

I forgot Caudipteryx niche as a "Damn we know this thing had a funky butt and it danced danced danced" in old dinosaur books

I do hope they give it those. Buttwaggling animations, for lack of a better term

(assuming it gets in)

[toxic oriole]

IF Corythosaurus does get implemented, what members of its genus would be selected?

Is there anything noteworthy of any genus members in particular?

[past mist]

plus Cory lived with Para and Lambeo and ive seen some sources say they even herded together (not sure how true that is though) so it would go very well with them

[glass snow]

casuarius

[open heron]

when in doubt, just do the type species.

[toxic oriole]

Oh is there only two members of Corythosaurus?

[glass snow]

yes

[toxic oriole]

Thats what it says on Wikipedia?

[austere sparrow]

Casuarius is definitely going to be the main inclusion. C. intermedius has... I don't know what it has, a less impressive crest I think? I'd rather have one of the two Hypacrosaurs as an alt genus

[past mist]

although if i could choose any Lambeosaurine I’d want Magnapaulia

could be an alt for Lambeo

[low bridge]

Lamb

[austere sparrow]

One of the Lambeosaurus (the huge one) is meant to be a stand-in for Magnapaulia

[past mist]

oh yeah i forgot about that

[austere sparrow]

Sell it in restaurants, call it Muttoneosaurus

[past mist]

it’s the cosmic skin i think

[austere sparrow]

Yes, something like that

[toxic oriole]

No idea why I want Eotriceratops in PK

[past mist]

before i learned it’s a stand in for Big Paul I assumed it was a reference to astronauts getting taller when in space

since it’s called the Cosmic skin

[austere sparrow]

Wasn't that lumped into Triceratops?

[toxic oriole]

No

At least, I think not?

I don't even know

From what I can see its its own thing

[glass snow]

I’d like the second lambeo species as an alt and saurolophus which would have 2 alts maybe 3 with prosaurolophus

[toxic oriole]

Okay so it was given Triceratops xerinsularis by Gregory Paul in 2010, but no other researchers agreed with it

Well, FOLLOW it really

Its way too late to have it be an alt genus to Triceratops, so better have it as its own thing

[austere sparrow]

What I really want is one of those tiny non-North American Hadrosaurs that might be a group (Arenysaurini) or maybe not, but I'm pretty sure they're all represented by rather bad remains

[austere sparrow]

Yeah I looked into it too. Seems it might be synonymous with Ojoceratops but I'm not sure which genus has seniority there

[austere sparrow]

...Yeah, back from my dive and it seems the only worthwhile one (unless you count Tsintaosaurus) is Amurosaurus, which makes it to six meters long, which is. I mean. Could be worse. But kinda misses the point of having a teensy tiny Lambeosaurine.

[ancient ibex]

Torosaurus is closer to Triceratops than Eotrike anyway

[austere sparrow]

Also dang I didn't know Hypacrosaurus was whacky like this

[toxic oriole]

Still too late for Torosaurus to be an alt genus to Triceratops

[austere sparrow]

Torosaurus can probably hold it's own, it looks outwardly distinct and that's all a Ceratopsian needs

I would hope they save it as more "DLC buying bait" though

[outer crater]

Toro isn't a good choice tbh

[toxic oriole]

How so?

[austere sparrow]

If we get another Ceratopsian soon-ish at all I hope it's either Chasmosaurus or Pentaceratops just cuz. Out of all the Ceratopsians, the ones left closest to being needed is a non-Triceratopsini Chasmosaurine

And Pentaceratops and Chasmosaurus are the only two that come even close to being considered maybe famous

Even though my heart slightly weeps for all the whacky frill and horn combinations we'd be missing out on

[past mist]

Kosmo, Diablo, Centro, so many cool Ceratopsians

but can’t have all of them

Loki

[toxic oriole]

I'd say Zuniceratops, but there arent any adult specimens of that ceratopsian that isnt from North America

Just a juvie

[austere sparrow]

Medusa... Einio... 😔

Really sad we missed out on that Stellasaurus alt for Styracosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Are there any other Non-North American ceratopsians?

Including those from Canada

[austere sparrow]

...Should probably not get too sad, tho. Modders will hopefully run wild with leftover Ceratopsians.

Sinoceratops

[past mist]

Ceratopsians there’s plenty but if you mean Ceratopsids then only Sinoceratops

[austere sparrow]

And if you include basal ones there's quite a few in Eurasia

Maybe we should add Sinoceratops just for Ceratopsian distribution diversity 🤔 I say while we don't even have a Mexican Ceratopsian yet

[toxic oriole]

... Oh

So Zuniceratops is ALSO a north american ceratopsian

Dammit

[low bridge]

Regaliceratops, Wendiceratops

Also

We can get them in PAID expansion if Devs gonna do after full release

[toxic oriole]

If the game does well, then yeah

[past mist]

as much as I love Ceratopsids i’d rather see more unique things be for PDLC

i wouldn’t mind them in PDLC though

if coupled with more unique things than I’d actually like that

[low bridge]

Cygnus Falconeri, Ceratogaulus should be free expansion Animals

Hadar Formation has good mammals in it

[quick ore]

We really do not need that many Ceratopsids in game. Some more would be nice, yes, but going crazy with them doesn't make much sense considering how restricted they were in range. It would be better to pull from other places besides cretaceous Laramidia.

[past mist]

exactly

[low bridge]

Hope for Palaeoloxodon Falconeri

[quick ore]

*Palaeoloxodon falconeri

If I were to add another Ceratopsid I think Zuniceratops would be great, it is a personal favorite of mine and when a Therizinosaur gets eventually added Nothronychus can be a cool Juxia style alt

[toxic oriole]

Unfortunately as far as I know there are no adult specimens of Zuniceratops

Just a juvie or a sub-adult

So theres not much to go off of

[past mist]

i want Falcarius personally but i’m not expecting it since it’s not popular and too distant and unique to work as an alt for any more popular Therizinosaurs

so realistically i think my #1 Therizinosaur is Nothro

[quick ore]

I feel like if either Zuni or Nothro get added then it becomes a lot more likely for the other to get added later so that they aren't alone in their formation

[low bridge]

Duonychus superior bc of claws

[quick ore]

We barely know anything about that species

[austere sparrow]

Ooooh
You were thinking of Turanoceratops then, I think

[toxic oriole]

No idea what that is

[austere sparrow]

"Zuniceratops but Asian"

It's from Bissekty

...Which has a hot load of nothing so not sure why I thought that name was gonna convey anything to you oops

...It was found in Uzbekistan.

...I can't actually find a skeletal depicting which bones we actually have

Someone on devianart did a restoration with unmarked fossil bits from more derived Ceratopsians mixed in

Search did also show that Zuniceratops is reasonably complete anyway so. Uh. That's kinda awkward considering it's like. Both more popular (slightly, thanks to appearing in one documentary once) and lives alongside Nothronychus I believe? Lemme double check that though

Also Ajkaceratops from Hateg might become worthwhile one day but for now its the tip of a beak lol

Yeah, yeah, Zuniceratops and Nothronychus indeed lived together but their formation is pretty empty otherwise

[past mist]

still could be cool penmates

[austere sparrow]

Jeyawati and Suskityrannus are trying their best I assume but like. Yeah

[austere sparrow]

I guess that's true

If Nothronychus is still even coming I mean

[past mist]

i like putting herbivores who lived together irl with each other in my parks

[austere sparrow]

Same

[open heron]

Yeah sussytyrannus just kind of exists.

[austere sparrow]

Will be a little sad once more management aspect and animal needs make that kinda stuff harder

Wish the devs allowed the formation bonus for adjacent pens so we could like. Keep Predators and prey next to each other post-combat update

[past mist]

maybe they could have cohabitation like JWE2 but better thought out

idk if they have plans for how it’s gonna work

[austere sparrow]

JWE2 was real fucking funny for its cohabitation. "Oh, these animals literally cohabited in the movies themselves? Nahhh whole group hates each other lelelel"

[past mist]

yeah it’s a great idea but the execution was… not quite as good

[austere sparrow]

Then again I suppose they were also the sillyfucks who refused to make breeding a thing despite it being a plot point in like. Every single one of the fucking movies

JWE2 Chaos Theory making you rescue the Buck... and the Doe... and what's a Junior who's Junior you don't need Junior Junior was never real

[open heron]

Junior fucking dies. /j

[austere sparrow]

It would be neat if animals like. Liked members of a group if they lived alongside another members of that group that they didn't have to worry about due to niche partitioning and size or whatever

Deinocheirus just being chill af with Ankylosaurus because "Eyy I know this guy dis is my pal Saichania don't have to worry about my pal Saichania" and I guess Ankylosaurus in turn is like "Weirdly clingy oversized Ornithomimus sp.? I mean what-thefuck-ever, I guess"

...Was Saichania in the right formation? oops

...Protoceratops and Ankylosaurus getting along bcuz the former is used to Pinacosaurus and the latter is used to Leptoceratops ❤️

"In what shared biome, Rebecca???" 💔

[past mist]

that would actually be really cool

[austere sparrow]

I guess depending on how much you push the groups I guess. Protoceratops could hang out with Stegosaurus and Scelidosaurus bcuz. Thyreophorans...? :/ Feel like that would be really stretching it tho

[past mist]

i mean to a certain degree large herbivores might not mind small herbivores and vice versa even if they aren’t related to ones they actually lived with

[austere sparrow]

I mean, probably. If modern zoos are any indication, bigger herbivores bullying smaller ones isn't that uncommon, but like. I guess that would be really annoying to put into gameplay

[past mist]

also tbf Elephants at least might not be the best analogy to Dinosaurian megaherbivores since they’re so intelligent which i guess isn’t impossible for the Dinosaurs but doesn’t seem that likely

ofc Hippos and Rhinos are also like that despite not being as smart

[austere sparrow]

Oh I was thinking of like. Different types of antelopes

Where it usually stays at severe bullying but doesn't quite reach, uh. Murder

[low bridge]

Hmmmm Wooly Mammoth and Coelodonta short fight

[past mist]

oh ok

[austere sparrow]

And tbf to rhinos, it seems quite a few rhinos are actually reasonably chill

just the narrow-lipped ones are particularly aggressive most of the time, seemingly

[past mist]

unless they mistake you for a predator

[austere sparrow]

Humans are predators, there is no mistake 😔

And I mean hey, even the narrow-lipped ones apparently get along with cheetahs, of all things

[past mist]

i meant another herbivore

idk why i said “you”

[austere sparrow]

Broad-lipped and Asian rhinos don't really do that to my knowledge

[past mist]

oh ok

[austere sparrow]

Not sure what the narrow-lipped ones are on

...I mean. Don't wanna bother them too hard but like. Broadlips can be kept with other large herbivores like Zebras and big Antelopes

[outer crater]

They also attack, except using their bite

the Indian and Javan rhinos

[austere sparrow]

Yes, but like. In defense, moreso. Not as readily

I do know about the bite thing

You can keep Broadlip and Asian rhinos with other animals pretty reliably in zoos

...Or well. Indian rhinos. Javan and Sumatran rhinos seem to be too rare to risk Mixed exhibits for

Since they can result in unforeseen consequences for one, but also generally tend to result in less breeding success quite often? As far as I understand?

[low bridge]

Will Mammoths like Bison in exhibit with them?

Wooly Ones

[austere sparrow]

You mean Bison latifrons?

[low bridge]

Priscus

[austere sparrow]

I mean. I am not sure they'll get formation bonus but I doubt they'd mind...?

[low bridge]

How animal size works for Wooly Mammoths in game

I have seen that they can be 4.5 meters tall

[austere sparrow]

Different skins have different adult size, probably

[low bridge]

Not accurate for them

I feel terrible when i see

[austere sparrow]

Represents different populations

[low bridge]

Only on two bigger skins

[austere sparrow]

Lambeosaurus has it too

[low bridge]

Can this be fixed

[lean hound]

You can't fix something that isn't broken

[low bridge]

I don't want to witness Wooly Mammoth equal in size to Palaeoloxodon

😵‍💫😳

[past mist]

which Palaeo

because Palaeoloxodon doesn’t narrow it down

genus has like 13 species or something with some of the most extreme size variation within a genus

[toxic oriole]

Lucky for you theres plenty of species of Palaeoloxodon

A few of them are Mediterranean Island Dwarfs!

Others are mainland

[modern totem]

yuh

[low bridge]

Antiqqus

[toxic oriole]

How is Antiquus equal in size to the Woolly Mammoth?

Are you mistaking this for the Columbian Mammoth or something?

... Is the Columbian Mammoth its own thing or a sub-species?

[austere sparrow]

Palaeoloxodon has dozens of subspecies that get both larger and smaller than all known wooly mammoth adults

[low bridge]

Wooly Mammoth (ml) is between 2.67 m to 3.49 m at shoulder
Fml is from 2.3m to 2.6m at shoulder

[austere sparrow]

Subspecies bleh brainfart

Species. Different species

[low bridge]

But how this is in game

[austere sparrow]

What's fml now

[low bridge]

Female Mammoth

🫣

[toxic oriole]

How would people even know what a male or female mammoth even looked like?

Sure, theres some mummified remains n such

But is there anything else?

[hollow furnace]

We have mummified remains, probably thousands of skeletons, firsthand artistic depictions from cave paintings, over 50 genomes

[low bridge]

Panthera is skinny in game

[austere sparrow]

I mean all modern elephants have larger males so it's probably a safe assumption at worst

[toxic oriole]

Is that surprising?

Not all of them are bulky n such

[low bridge]

It should eat more

[austere sparrow]

Oh did we move on from the mammoth size discussion?

Okay. Glad that was settled then I guess

[toxic oriole]

Not every feline or felid is buff and bulky

Or whatever they are

panther panthera, sabretooth...

scimitartooth... Yeha

[low bridge]

Hope for Mammoth to ram Coelodonta when combat update be released

[modern totem]

why bro

coelodonta my beloved

[austere sparrow]

Hey EZ, isn't it past your bedtime

[toxic oriole]

Knowing how modern proboscideans are, they could somehow manage to scare off a huge pride of lions

[past mist]

combat is cool and all but the only time im gonna see it in my game is if i make an ecosystem

[toxic oriole]

And if they can do that, then so can any other proboscidean

[past mist]

or if smth breaks into another pen

[toxic oriole]

At least, I think

[past mist]

i ain’t letting my creatures fight

[toxic oriole]

Mammoth scares off 50 Cave Lions somehow

That'd be funny to see

[low bridge]

What lol

[low bridge]

Jumpscare

[toxic oriole]

I mean I cant get that clip out of my head where one Elephant managed to scare away an entire pride of lions, there were 20 of them and ONE of the elephant!

[lean hound]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAsfX-MDJo like this?

[austere sparrow]

This is how the one Gorilla can still win

[toxic oriole]

Intimidation

[toxic oriole]

Baby elephants wouldnt be able to intimidate anything, thats for sure

[low bridge]

Meanwhile bby wooly mammoth in game after i release him into exhibit

[low bridge]

Bc they are cute

[austere sparrow]

Weird to think about how PK will be the what. fourth piece of media where you can watch a T.rex and mammoth fight

Actually, hm. The wildlife park series has had both T.rex and the wooly mammoth in every entry. If they had combat that adds three media pieces.

....Oh and fossil fighters.

Yeah okay mammoth and T.rex fights are less rare than I initially thought lol

[steep tulip]

First piece of media where cotylorhynchus fights desmostylus

Eventually trust

[low bridge]

In game dinos should fight with dinos and mammals with mammals

I hope for Dinocrocuta for Prehistoric Kingdom and maybe smaller Chasmaporthetes

[austere sparrow]

Chasmaporthetes?

[late swallow]

Do you have any particular reasoning?

[toxic oriole]

I mean, some mammals in the Mesozoic were kinda big enough to be a threat for smaller dinosaurs

Emphasis on KINDA

Kind of but not really

[low bridge]

Yes a lot big mammals don't meet dinos

Like ones we have in game already

[low bridge]

Smaller hyena built for chasing in packs

[late swallow]

But they could potentially be placed in similar exhibits, at which point, they are here now, so temporal and cladistic restrictions to combat is merely asinine

[low bridge]

Also known as running hyena

[steep tulip]

Psittacosaurus fighting rapenomamus

(Rapenomamus dies)

[late swallow]

If two fauna find the fight to be worth it, cladistic and original temporal range shouldn't matter any

[steep tulip]

Psittacosaurus had the hide as thick as the one of an elephant
That mf was built to be tossed around

[late swallow]

Psittacosaurus railgun

[austere sparrow]

"Biri biri, motherf*cker."

[hollow flower]

Id like to see a Paraceratherium fight a Deinocheirus

The only other game I can think of where thats a possibility is Pot

[plush nacelle]

Paraceratherium lowkey stomps

[hollow flower]

That is true

[lean hound]

Para is in pot?!

[hollow flower]

Soon

I hope

I know one team who made a model

Same dudes who made Ankylor, Andrew and Liso

[feral cedar]

who made this and do they have a Polacanthus only render

[ancient ibex]

https://www.instagram.com/ferrutxo/

https://www.instagram.com/p/DIvudNvsvmW/ Got a Polacanthus as well

ferrutxo

Polacantus es la siguiente actualización de modelos y el segundo tireóforo, un dinosaurio que en realidad es bastante desconocido, pese a que yenemos un montón de placas y osteodermos, la disposición de estos muchas veces se deduce de las armaduras de parientes suyos bastante mejor conocidos, Yo he optado por una cosa intermedia, he usado in...

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[steep tulip]

This formation is quite great for triassic minis

Didn't know aetosaurus could get that small

[hollow flower]

This reminded me

Theres a Triassic marine Rynchocephalian

Cant remember the name of it though

[steep tulip]

Pleurosaurus

And kin

[hollow flower]

Yes

Frankly speaking this is ludicrous

My new headcannon is that the rebirth Titanosaurs are mixed with this things DNA

[feral cedar]

Woah, this Polacanthus looks way cooler than I’d expect

[glass snow]

Vespersaurus small Brasilian lad with freaky feet

[wild relic]

Wouldn't mind having Iguanodon's buddies join in PK, I'm talking about Megalosaurus, Hylaeosaurus and yes I'm including Cetiosaurus because well it was technically one of the first four dinosaurs but at the time was thought to be a whale, justice for Cetio

[toxic oriole]

So these are the facts as I understand them

[modern totem]

Dinosauria Season 2

[toxic oriole]

Megalosaurus is the first dinosaur to have been discovered, named, and described

Iguanodon is the second one...

And Pterodactylus antiquus is the first pterosaur discovered and described

So which was the third Dinosaur to have been discovered?

[wild relic]

Hylaeosaurus

In 1833

[modern totem]

Cetiosaurus was the first sauropod to be named

[wild relic]

Yes but it wasn't thought to be a dino at the When it was described in 1841 and was thought to be a whale

[modern totem]

yea

exactly

[wild relic]

But nowadays we do include it

[toxic oriole]

That is true and unsurprising

I mean, they thought Megalosaurus was some sort of crocodile or something?

And what did they think Pterodactylus was, a bat?

I might be misremembering things

I think Iguanodon was thought to be a turtle

[wild relic]

But here's the thing Megalosaurus, Iguanodon and Hylaeosaurus were the only ones included in the original description of Dinosauria in 1842 because they were thought of as dinosaurs, Cetiosaurus wasn't thought to be a dinosaur so again it wasn't included

[toxic oriole]

So was Cetiosaurus the fourth dinosaur?

[wild relic]

Technically yes but at the time no because it was thought to be a way it wasn't until later it was classified as a dinosaur

[toxic oriole]

So would that make it the fifth? If so, then what was the fourth one at the time?

[wild relic]

None

Cetiosaurus is the fourth dinosaur

[hollow furnace]

Figuring out the order after the first three dinosaurs is extremely difficult because most were named and then were recognized as dinosaurs much later

[wild relic]

Yeah

[toxic oriole]

Five Nights at Mesozoics............

[wild relic]

But honestly I'd say Cetiosaurus is the fourth because he was described a year before the term dinosaur was coined

[toxic oriole]

Sorry I just had an idea that was ridiculous

The first four dinosaurs + Pterodactylus antiquus

FNAF

[hollow furnace]

Technically, the next three genera after the original three Dinosauria members were named (before dinosauria was a thing) is Streptospondylus (Streptospondylus technically predates Hyleosaurus too just for some bonus confusion, but was only recognized to be a dinosaur in 2001), Thecodontosaurus, and Plateosaurus

Which were all named long before Cetiosaurus, and Dinosauria

[feral cedar]

ngl Hylaeosaurus looks to just be a marginally less interesting Polacanthus

It's basically a polacanthine but less spiky from what little we can infer

[modern totem]

just

Add both

🗣️ 🔥

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[modern totem]

💢

[ancient ibex]

Hylaeosaurus was just there when Owen erected the clade, in that "yeah that guy may be related to Iguanodon and Megalosaurus"

Well, taxonomic group

No clade until 1986 or so

[feral cedar]

Hylaeosaurus was featured recently in Dinosauria and David Armsby couldn't help himself but to say that it was difficult to research

Because... it is

[ancient ibex]

Partial Barremian European nodosaur

Polacanthus got plenty more work done while also being quite incomplete

[feral cedar]

A niche that Polacanthus already covers

[ancient ibex]

Better than Hylaeosaurus IMO

[feral cedar]

Look at the boy, add him to PK already

[ancient ibex]

Megalosaurus... well, Torvo pseudo-alt would work fine

[feral cedar]

Megalosaurus could be set apart from Torvosaurus by taking a few speculative cues

Like... I dunno... this?

[austere sparrow]

Fucking idiot Germans and French not realizing they were digging up some funky shit (the Brits get a pass this one time because Thescelosaurus is miniscule, wouldn't be impressed even if I did realize it was a new thing)

[feral cedar]

Thescelosaurus?

[austere sparrow]

...

🙃

Thecodontosaurus

[feral cedar]

lol

[austere sparrow]

This is NOT the first time I have mixed up those two

[feral cedar]

I didn't know thecodonto was that old holy shit

[austere sparrow]

...Actually I only ever make the mistake on Thecodonto's side oops

[feral cedar]

oof

[austere sparrow]

Do love mega-scaling an animal without fully known feet for having bigger feet than expected like

Witton buddy Megapodes exist maybe Megalosauce just had them clownshoes 😭

Ngl I do kinda love the crested Megalosaurus tho, as fucking ludicrous as giving an animal an inferred special feature like this is

We already added Shaggy Pachy maybe we can add this too 🤔

[feral cedar]

crested megalo is not ludicrous lol

[ancient ibex]

Not the sole evidence of larger Megalosaurus

[feral cedar]

First of all, rather curiously, we do not have a single megalosaurid with preserved nasals

[ancient ibex]

Spinosaurids are the one clear cut megalosauroids with preserved nasals

[feral cedar]

And second of all, Monolophosaurus is frequently found as a megalosauroid in more recent cladistic analyses. Basal megalosauroids like Monolophosaurus have nasal crests, derived megalosauroids like the spinosaurids have crests... and then there's megalosaurids like Torvosaurus and Megalosaurus sitting in the middle

[ancient ibex]

Monolophosaurus may be one and has its own weird crest, and we have Piatniztkysaur nasals, but they are clading with Allosaurs as well

[feral cedar]

I do think we have specimens that might point, at least, to Torvosaurus sizes for megalo

[austere sparrow]

Fucking whacky shit

[feral cedar]

torvo-sized megalo with a nasal of some kind would be cool in PK

Maybe they can even take a cue from Dinosauria's design and make it so the feathers in the babies don't fully disappear for megalo and there's a small amount of covering on its backside

[austere sparrow]

We should definitely add that in if we find a derived (intermediate?) Megalosaur with a snoot-crest

[wild relic]

That just reminded me of that one video about a planes snoot droop

I don't know why

[austere sparrow]

I mean ngl at the very least I'd like to actually know if these Megalosaur-crests actually exist and what shape they take before I'd try to push anyone to implement them

Although if one of the Torvo skins got them early that would definitely be neat

[open heron]

Eh, would prefer it to be different size wise personally.
It's already sorta torvo-looking due to how closely related it is.

[austere sparrow]

One more case for those retroactive alts :V

[median relic]

it isn't??

[steep tulip]

Tbf not like polacanthus is known from that much better remains
Still want it tho

[low bridge]

Concavenator is needed tbh

Polacanthus

[mint creek]

I'm a big fan of Megalosaurus (and to a lesser extent Hylaeosaurus) being added. It may be a bit fragmentary and doesn't offer much new but I think having the "first" dinosaur would be very sick. I'd probably use it in all my parks.

[lean hound]

It’s too legendary to not have at some point

[low bridge]

I hope for Embolotherium for Prehistoric Kingdom it will be so much neat addition

[lean hound]

I wouldn't mind if conc was the only other carch that got added

[low bridge]

Giganotosaurus with Mapu, Tyrannotitan as Alts would go hard

[lean hound]

ehh

I'd rather just have giga with 3-4 skins

[austere sparrow]

If you think Tyrannotitan is cool, wait till you hear about Gigatitan and Gigantspinosaurus

[plush nacelle]

Gigatitan would be banger addition, if not for small size

[cosmic cosmos]

you say that, but gigatitan would be an amazing terrarium species

[plush nacelle]

Well not really, because animal is ridiculously small. It has body size of a finger.

Something closer to PZ exhibits would be required to keep one.

[plush nacelle]

Mazothairos it the underrated insect

Rivaling griffinflies in size it is one of the first herbivorous animals out there

[cosmic cosmos]

I just mean having it in a box would work great in the game, ofc the current sizes planned are too big

[plush nacelle]

Found something interesting. Maybe gigatitan aint that small

Size comparison for extant and extinct insects

[low bridge]

Mapusaurus will be neat in game with Taurovenator alt

[glass snow]

I’d prefer giga/mapu

[late swallow]

I'd be surprised if they brought mapu in.

I could see Giga coming as a Carch alt [whether it needs to come, whole other story]

[low bridge]

Giga/Mapu/Tauro

Correct way lollll

[sharp plinth]

What about tameryraptor, it could be a unique addition

[late swallow]

That is even more fragmentary than carch

We don't even have a surviving specimen

[golden canopy]

The giga would be awesome especially to compare the pk and jw model

[sharp plinth]

Well, yeah

But

Its unique so why not have it on the roster

[late swallow]

Equivalent logic says let's throw every genus ever into the game

[sharp plinth]

What no

A carcharontdontosaurid with a horn is a bit unique seeming as though no other genus has evolved so,

[late swallow]

A 3 cm rugosity on the nasal

[sharp plinth]

It's not like they are going to add something like struthi after galli

[hollow furnace]

What makes you say that lol

[sharp plinth]

I'd call that a horn (just about)

[hollow furnace]

In fact going of the old post EA ideas list, they’re thinking about adding Ornithomimus

[sharp plinth]

Honestly struthi and galli isnt the greatest analogy

Yeah

[steep tulip]

Don't wanna see another giant carcharodontosaur beyond giga (with mapu alt)

[late swallow]

we don't need 7 large Carcharodontosaurids lol

[steep tulip]

Not that particularly interested in giga either, but it's giga

[late swallow]

same, but if we were to get one, giga has the biggest recog

[golden canopy]

Tyranotitan could be a giga alt as well as mapu

[ancient ibex]

IMO Giga should have gotten in, with a Carcha alt getting revealed as a surprise alongside Spino, but that's just an opinion

[late swallow]

i feel it would be a fool's errand to implement T. markgrafi, as the material of its holotype is completely destroyed, and all that remains are photographs, descriptions [rather good ones, i do say], and an endocast. With the taxon being declared at the beginning of this year, and no further material assigned as of yet.

[late swallow]

yeah, probably the best bet, but here we are lol

[late swallow]

we do not need 6 large Carcharodontosaurids

[golden canopy]

There's always a chance

Also after launch if modding is supported the animal can always be added that way

[late swallow]

if you want mapu just make an 85% Carch

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, let's add the Carcharodontosaur with no known nose and eye areas, those that are the most diverse

[late swallow]

which is this one?

[ancient ibex]

Tyrannotitan

[late swallow]

but hey! dentary!

[golden canopy]

It was just a suggestion

[ancient ibex]

Carcha doesn't have a dentary FWIW

[late swallow]

-# a bad one

[ancient ibex]

Tyrannotitan is quite more complete

Seriously Carcha is a mess, goddammit Sereno

[late swallow]

yeah idk how carch made it and Giga didn't

[ancient ibex]

Giganotosaurins sensu stricto are the better giant Carcharodontosaur rep

[late swallow]

tbf, at the time of implementation, Carch had more material

[ancient ibex]

Eh

[golden canopy]

To be fair all prehistoric fossilized animals are somewhat fragmentary so most designs are based off what we generally know and imagination/traits based on current day biology

[ancient ibex]

iguidensis doesn't count, and the Carcha lectotype/Tameryraptor holotype isn't more complete than any of the 3 bonafide Giganotosaurins

[ancient ibex]

Not a good argument

[late swallow]

i was specifically noting it was more complete than it currently is

[ancient ibex]

Touche

[late swallow]

really hoping conc makes it tho

[ancient ibex]

As long as it can get to Altispinax sizes I'm 100%

[feral cedar]

the power of new toy syndrome

[ancient ibex]

It also has claded next to the Carch neotype quite recently

[steep tulip]

Spino synergy

Plus jpog influence

[feral cedar]

JPOG influence doesn't quite fit

[feral cedar]

Else we'd have gotten Torosaurus as a trike alt lol

[steep tulip]

Trike was made before the alt thing was expanded as it is now

If a lot of older animals were made today, I imagine we would have gotten a lot more alts

[hollow flower]

Brachi I feel would probably have a Europasaurus alt

[ancient ibex]

The alt rhinos opened the floodgates ttbt

[steep tulip]

Nah brachi would 100% have giraffatitan

[steep tulip]

True

[feral cedar]

ngl the elasmothere duo really did shake things up

I know a lot of people suggest ontogeny alts but those two prove that sometimes just having really similar models is enough

[late swallow]

yeah, i don't care much for the idea at large, but if you're asking for a glubshitto that's almost identical to something already in game

[feral cedar]

I genuinely think brachiosaurus/giraffatitan, triceratops/torosaurus, lambeosaurus/corythosaurus, and styracosaurus/centrosaurus could've been in the game

I also think if mammoths and Smilodon were made rn we'd have gotten Columbian mammoths and Smilodon gracilis too

[ancient ibex]

NGL, even if I don't care much for Torosaurus the way paleofans do, those and Giga would make good pseudo-alt DLC choices

[feral cedar]

Some of those could really sell DLCs themselves

[ancient ibex]

Hell, a NA Ornithomimid and Suchomimus would lowkey count as that

[feral cedar]

Giga is basically a free "Successful DLC" button the devs can push at any time

[feral cedar]

Ornithomimus and Suchomimus were both in the post-EA ideas board

Before Mau nuked our speculation

[late swallow]

you won't see me complaining about spinosaurid inclusion

[hollow flower]

Giga is an inevitability

He will come at some point frankly

[feral cedar]

Giga is not an if, it's a when

[hollow flower]

If he doesnt I will be flummoxed and will need to eat a hat perhaps

But really

There is no way they wont add Giga

[feral cedar]

I think two spinosaurids is "enough" in my humble opinion

And they're both free and in the base game

[hollow flower]

Wherever it is put in, it will make money

[quaint plank]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Sucho

[hollow flower]

I quite enjoy Suchomimus

[quaint plank]

As do I

[hollow flower]

Distinct yet still similar

[feral cedar]

Suchomimus does have an amazing name for a spinosaur lol ngl

crocodile mimic

amazing

[quaint plank]

It’s straight to the point

10/10 perfect name

[hollow flower]

Hopefully its not synonymised with a nothingburger specimen from the 19th century

[steep tulip]

Seems like sucho remains as a post ea possible addition considering u18 has no alts

[hollow flower]

It should be a post ea animal

All things considered

[quaint plank]

If Sucho is added with an alt, what would y’all wanna see?

[hollow flower]

Hmm

Yknow I always wondered how the describers thought Sucho was a Baryonyx species

Seems kinda silly to me

[quaint plank]

I always forget Sucho is still a relatively young discovery

[hollow flower]

Looking at the family tree its either Riparo or Ceratosuchops

And both are kinda just

C tier? Would be the word

[quaint plank]

I like them

[steep tulip]

Suchomimus but british lol

Wouldn't complain tho

Riparo better than ceratosuchops, since it has more material at least

You can house it together with other british dinosaurs maybe

[quaint plank]

I’ve always prefered Riparovenator

[feral cedar]

Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator are both scrappy spinosaurids

They're both European and from the same place as Baryonyx

[quaint plank]

And both distinct enough to be declared separate

[steep tulip]

Technically baryonyx is not found in the same formation as them

Not sure if they could have lived together tho

Probably

Maybe

[feral cedar]

Eh

distinct? Sure. Decently distinct? Nah

Once you get bary and sucho you're basically done with the baryonychines

[steep tulip]

There's also the possibility that they are synonymous

Like it ain't that much of a stretch

[outer moth]

Icthy would be a neat one too imo

[late swallow]

Look, this took me way too fucking long, don't judge

[modern totem]

Joker

[ancient ibex]

Cristatosaurus is from the year before it or so, and, well, there is a reason we didn't get Suchomimini, but Ceratosuchopsini

[ancient ibex]

Recovered closer to Suchomimus, but from the same place as Baryonyx and slighty younger quite points towards Suchomimus evolving from English Baryonychines, but the details that tell Bary and those apart are after all details

[late swallow]

i also think Suchomimini is a bad name

[ancient ibex]

Sucho in particular would look strikingly like a slighty larger Bary, and that assumes partial specimens represent the full extent of size diversity, which NOPE

Allosaurus and Mapusaurus do show that carnosaurs were diverse in terms of intraspecific size variation

[austere sparrow]

My new crackpot paleontology conspiracy theory is that Tameryraptor is just a male Carcharodontosaurus

[plain knoll]

Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Ceratosaurus, Albertosaurus, kentrosaurus are needed...also medium theropods like utahraptor and deinonychus...

[austere sparrow]

Mostly because funny

[austere sparrow]

You're in luck with half of those! Allosaurus, Stegosaurus and Utahraptor have been confirmed to be coming to the game. The first two will come in the update after this one, and the last one is believed to be coming during the full launch update and was teased in chat before.
(Also, welcome to the community!)

[ancient ibex]

It is a nomenclatural mess that's for sure

Still, Bahariya and Kem Kem don't have the exact same animals by the looks of it

Funny how the one taxon where Sereno didn't try to ape Stromer, Deltadromeus, is the one that may have the highest chance to be synonymous with one of the old ones

[late swallow]

okay Deltadromeus is also a sick ass name

[plain knoll]

thanks for welcomming, also i saw a glimpse of a stego model few months ago, but i hoped it will be in update 15, but i didnt saw it announced, i know what species will next update will bring, but for U16 i dont know...

[late swallow]

stego is coming in u17, alongside the four Allosaurus species

[plain knoll]

i was in this server for few months allready

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, the trello has quite a bit of info, but not like, all of it. I believe the Stego got a remodel from the trailer variant, but we haven't seen the new model yet

[feral cedar]

Curious as to how Sereno was trying to ape Stromer

[ancient ibex]

Assigning stuff to his taxa from completely different localities, media buzz, neotypes

Sereno is very media-savvy and tends to make big deals out of "new shocking discoveries", and that has affected mentees Brusatte and Ibrahim

[feral cedar]

Wouldn't it be better for him to just name new taxa that have his name on them

[ancient ibex]

Yup

(and to not name new species for old genera that don't hold up, or to not erect stuff on shaky ground)

[plain knoll]

i hope there will be more species after full release in form of dlc's i guess, i still consider this roszer quite small and lacking those crucial well known species, i agree that less widely known genera should get a spotlight, but classical ones are classical for a reason...

[late swallow]

[obviously not named after himself]

[ancient ibex]

Hell, Sereno defined plenty of dinosaur clades, and those got quite messy

[feral cedar]

Shout it louder so everyone hears it

[ancient ibex]

That's a cf.Abelisauridae

[feral cedar]

I mean like

[late swallow]

its against the ICZN code

[ancient ibex]

Hell, the approach to Spinosauridae in the Iberian peninsula is utterly bonkers

[feral cedar]

Deinonychus has Ostrom's name on it, you know. Deinonychus (Ostrom, 1969)

[late swallow]

yeyeh

[ancient ibex]

Every scrap is a new taxa (and it looks like there is skeletal copyright infringement in those descriptions)

[plain knoll]

is there a thread where behaviour of humans (guests and workers) are discusted?

[feral cedar]

Sereno talks about neotypes and all that but like

His name's not on them

Spinosaurus and Carcharodontosaurus get credited to Stromer

But they COULD be credited to him if he didn't pull this nonsense

[ancient ibex]

Carcharodontosaurus to Stromer, but saharicus to Depéret & Savornin

iguidensis is Sereno and Brusatte, but that one never clades with saharicus

[feral cedar]

The neotype carcharodontosaur skull could've been Tameryraptor (Sereno, 2025)

But no. A new genus was erected from Stromer's detailed descriptions of his theropod, and the neotype keeps the species saharicus, so in the long run Sereno's name is just absent

chasing momentary media clout over a less ceremonious but permanent acreditation of his discovery, huh?

[ancient ibex]

Sereno's mark in dino paleontology will be a deep one no matter what, as the sheer ammount of clades and definitions he made are the keystone of modern dinosaur taxonomy

Even messes like Dromaeosauridae and Troodontidae being node-based and anchored on Deinonychus and Troodon

[quick ore]

I feel like a cool thing the devs could do is for "lower effort" alts coming in the form of a free yearly update, For something like Torosaurus and other species that would be easier to model off of existing species and rigs.

[outer moth]

Wait on the scale of paleontology, is sereno good or bad

[quick ore]

good I think

[outer moth]

Sereno recently went to North Africa as far as I remember

Maybe we could get some species from there once the remains are properly described

[ancient ibex]

Productive

He is also 68 despite google images returning stuff from the 90s lol

Then again, Holtz in the 90s was this up and coming young paleontologist being trained by Ostrom, who would change the position of tyrannosaurs in the tree, and he is turning 60 this year

[feral cedar]

Forever grateful to Ostrom

He's the reason we're all here, even if indirectly

[austere sparrow]

He personally convinced my parents to boink that week. True story.

[ancient ibex]

At least the guy managed to be lucid when we first found Sinosauropteryx, Alzheimer's a bitch

[late swallow]

he's no Cope

[low bridge]

I suggest Agriotherium because long snout bear that lived in grasslands of Africa would be as cool as chubby Ursus Spelaeus

[plain knoll]

Hopefully!!

I always thought it will be like too overlap to carcharodontosaurus😓😓

So I basically do not have hope on that

[low bridge]

Devs+Aepycamelus=love

Opinion

Lolll

[austere sparrow]

Thin bear :O

[low bridge]

The Thinnest of them all

[low bridge]

Skinniest in the family lol

[wild relic]

Honestly I could see Gigantspinosaurus and Yingshanosaurus being alts for each other

[austere sparrow]

Funky

Wouldn't mind them being our designated token asian Stegosaur

[late swallow]

Fucking love Gigantspinosaueus

[wild relic]

Honestly they're both pretty much standouts from other stegosaurs

Specifically the Asian variety

I just wanna say I think Jurassic world evolution was like my introduction to Gigantspino

[austere sparrow]

Learned about Yingshanosaurus from a childhood childrens book

[wild relic]

Nice

[austere sparrow]

Author was apparently impressed enough that it got included despite seemingly being dubious at the time

[late swallow]

We could also possibly see the name-bearing type, Huajangosaurus taibaii

[wild relic]

Styracosaurus was the first dinosaur I saw, it was in a children's book

[wild relic]

You mean Huayangosaurus?

[mellow creek]

Styraco mention

[late swallow]

I'm bad at letters and typing

[wild relic]

You were doing so good

[late swallow]

Shut up and go back to work

[austere sparrow]

I do like Huayangosaurus quite a bit! It is a great little goober

[wild relic]

Indeed

Another popular Asian stegosaur I can think of was Tuojiangosaurus

[late swallow]

Chungking is also cool, but pales in comparison to my buddy kentro

[Tanzanian, but like, it's super cool]

[austere sparrow]

Tuojiangosaurus is kinda weird. Feels like the platonic ideal of a Stegosaur in many ways, but also, nothing else quite looks like it

[mellow creek]

I haven't thought about stegos much to have a favorite there tbh

[austere sparrow]

Weird lil triangle plates

I am at that stage where it's hard to pick favorites lol

Miragaia and Dacentrurus are neat but also like. Pretty likely already coming so not as buzzworthy so to speak

[late swallow]

Of Stegosaurids, for me it's Kentrosaurus. For Huayangosaurids, probably Gigantspinosaurus

[late swallow]

Did you mean possibly the same animal

[austere sparrow]

I did not mean that, but that's also a thing yeah :V

[wild relic]

There was actually something recently about that Mira is actually distinct and that some distinguishable traits were overlooked

[austere sparrow]

I do mostly just expect a Dacen alt if Miragaia still makes it ingame. Which, I believe it was...? Back in that blurry pic of EA animals Mau shared?

[wild relic]

Honestly yeah I still think that's the most likely route

Mira is like my favorite stegosaur, second being Kentro

[ancient ibex]

This has been going for 15 years and neither the group that has been assigning Iberian material to Dacentrurus nor the group that named a new dinosaur may bulge; something similar is happening with Allosaurus europaeus

[ancient ibex]

Dacentrurus got named because last year a lumping paper for some reason got popular

IMO the better approach for Dacentrurines is Lourinha and Morrison rep

[wild relic]

True true

[late swallow]

Was it GSP

[ancient ibex]

Nope

[late swallow]

And I'm assuming you meant budge here, and not bulge

[ancient ibex]

Cobos and Escaso will be forever pro-lump, Mateus will be forever pro-split

They are actual workers in the field, not Greg Paul shitposting

[late swallow]

But but but muh T. imperator

[austere sparrow]

Dacentrurus was named in 1902? And I don't want to hate too much on Alcovasaurus but it's criminally fragmentary for a genus from Morrison

[late swallow]

Owen, 1875

[austere sparrow]

I believe that was as. Omosaurus...?

Which was already taken by a crocodylomorph...?

...Kinda liking the idea of both having Miragaia and placing Dacentrurus in Iberia to make sure neither side is happy :V

[steep tulip]

Always a dacentrurus fan idc
Even if it will be alone in the marine formation idc

[austere sparrow]

...I guess that would even still leave an alt slot for Alcovasaurus

[late swallow]

The rename for O. armatus was 02, yeah, followed by the rest of the described in 1915

which ended up dubious anyway iirc

[austere sparrow]

We do have Scelidosaurus already so like. Wouldn't be the first lonely washed out Thyreophoran seacorpse either, I guess

[steep tulip]

Scelido can have dimorphodon

[austere sparrow]

Oh it can? Neat

[steep tulip]

Also could be found in kayenta too, but I personally doubt it

[austere sparrow]

Also I am starting to wonder if Morrison might actually be getting too full. Since it's getting three Allosaurs and at least one Stegosaurus soon-ish, and is slated to receive Ceratosaurus and Diplodocus later

And heck people are still requesting Camptosaurus, Supersaurus and even Barosaurus every so often

[steep tulip]

Scelido formation also has pleisosaurus, ichthyosaurus, temnodontosaurus and attenborosaurus
But dimo is way more likely to come to the game rn imo

[austere sparrow]

I mean Dimo flies so like.

Depends on if flying or swimming gets worked on/in faster

[steep tulip]

Could be for minis tbh
Its quite small
And while you can't house them together, you can sorta mimic it

[austere sparrow]

...Although I guess it was a garbage flier so maybe they could add it early...? 🤔

[plush nacelle]

It is small to begin with

[austere sparrow]

I hope Dimo gets to be in the big exhibits, would be sad if it only got a single skin and no babies

[plush nacelle]

They can fit in terrarium

[late swallow]

Can put its thingamajig at the edge of a sceli enclosure

[steep tulip]

You can probably put it inside it

Without the glass stuff

[late swallow]

Also I tend to place sceli and iggy together just due to prox

[austere sparrow]

Dimo is similar to Mononykus where it could go either way but like. For Mono I wouldn't mind it going Mini exhibit but for Dimo I'd be pretty sad. Doesn't feel like the currently shown-off mini exhibits would be big enough for it

Just seems like it'd be too active

And if Dimo isn't big enough to roam around outside that implies that like. Really limits the amounts of birds I'd expect to see being non-mini

...Although I guess chances are we won't be getting many birds anyway, I suppose

[steep tulip]

Dacen got juratyrant, other than a bunch of cool aquatics

The 2 juratyrant fans please rise up

[austere sparrow]

Nerf Juratyrant, too much swag

[steep tulip]

Not surprised if we end up getting dimo as a mini exhibit considering devs made babies bigger and not hatchlings because it was difficult to interact with them
But who knows

[ancient ibex]

"Too full" is a bad argument

[austere sparrow]

I mean at some point the UI will just give up lol

[ancient ibex]

Disregarding well known places to give "rep" to "infrarepresented" stuff is not the good take many believe

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, that's just stuff from a Morrison-like biota washed up at sea

[austere sparrow]

Glupshittosaurus: 😠
Glupshittosaurus (from Morrison): 😍

[ancient ibex]

Juratyrant is just another stokesosaur

[late swallow]

This had become one of my new favourite words

[steep tulip]

Except it isn't just a hip

[ancient ibex]

(I honestly wouldn't be surprised if stokesosaurs are what Compsognathus and the like would grow into ttbt, but we need more stuff from them; Juratyrant is reasonably complete but still missing its head)

[plush nacelle]

Dinosnore is my favourite

[ancient ibex]

But its hip is almost the same as Stokesosaurus

There is more to Stokesosaurus than the holotype as well

[steep tulip]

Like more undescribed material?

Or because its found in a bigger formation

[austere sparrow]

Simply lump Tianyulong into it for great Stokesosaurus skeletal remains

...Tianyulong? What

Tanycolagreus. ^

Simply lump the dinosaur so forgettable that my brain autocorrected it to something from another clade and continent into Stokesosaurus for great skeletal material 👍

[steep tulip]

If you gonna base most of an animal off close relatives, at that point add the close relative in the game as well
That's what I think and why I believe we should get giraffatitan and mahajangasuchus (if kapro gets added that is)

[austere sparrow]

I mean if I had it my way everything would have at most two skins and every animal would have up to twenty glupshitto alts

But also there's a reason I'm not in charge of financing

[steep tulip]

Carcha as well
If it was giga
But alas

[wild relic]

Honestly Campto is like the only other Morrison animal I think should be added then the Morrison would be basically complete for the game

[steep tulip]

No cerato and dippy is a crime

[wild relic]

I meant as in besides the already confirmed Morrison animals

[steep tulip]

Not to mention there's nothing like cerato that doesn't suck ass material wise

[steep tulip]

Oh

Unfortunately both of them aren't confirmed

[austere sparrow]

...On second thought, if I was in charge, we would have gotten Giga, with Carch and Tameryraptor as alts. Yes, I know Tameryraptor is fragmentary garbage that exploded. No, I don't care. We already had Acrocanthosaurus, as far as I'm concerned that was enough

[steep tulip]

Giga with 4 skins and mapu and carcha as alts 🤫

Only other 2 confirmed morrison animals are allosaurus and stego

[austere sparrow]

I mean I would care for Mapu if keeping it in a shared exhibit with Argent for the formation bonus was possible, but chances are it won't be, so, who cares

[wild relic]

Weren't they in that teaser thing that Mau showed?

[steep tulip]

That's post ea plan
They are very likely to get in, but first game has to release and do well at launch

I'm decently confident it will but who knows for certain

[steep tulip]

Fair enough
Idc about it too much either, its probably just to shut up the giant carcharodontosaurs fans

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to that one time PNSO (dinosaur figure company) got into a Carcharodontosaur mood and just spammed them out
Carch, Giga, Acro, Mapu, Meraxes, Tyrannotitan - good fucking god 🙃

All basically in a row too

[ancient ibex]

The formation discourse with Rio Limay old submembers is something grating to see back to back versus the Morrison

[austere sparrow]

I mean if the devs decided to break the Morrison into submembers it would help with the potential UI clutter in some ways and make it worse in others

[steep tulip]

Tbh most of morrison famous fauna did live together
I don't remember which were the ones that weren't

[ancient ibex]

"those parts of this formation show changes over time, perhaps it is better to treat them as more distinct geological entities" is understood by dinosaur fans as "NOOO GIGA AND ARGENTINO NEVER MET, COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FORMATIONS".

Or Dinosaur park

Para and Styraco did not live together

[steep tulip]

So idk how useful that would be generally speaking

[late swallow]

The number of almost nude formations is a bit depressing

[ancient ibex]

Formations are rocks

[austere sparrow]

I mean, I know what you mean, but the way formations are treated ingame is the way formations are treated ingame 🤷‍♀️ Gotta frame our discussions through that lens while we're in this thread.

[late swallow]

you get the jist

[late swallow]

The number of formations ingame that are either impossible or near impossible to get dig site bonuses is what my message meant

[mint creek]

Don't worry, we've got another 5 species for the Morrison formation coming soon

[austere sparrow]

...Also imagine making a game that respects which animals actually lived together, so you have three versions of Dinosaur park, only for scientists to suddenly find two new bonebeds and whoops - turns out all these bozos did live long enough to exist at the same time and the effort was wasted

[late swallow]

S. maximus, A. fragilis, A. jimmadseni, and S. stenops and ungulatus?

[mint creek]

Yeah

[late swallow]

I just wasn't certain on the stego

[plush nacelle]

I cant believe we didnt get giraffatitan, but 4 allos

[mint creek]

Well that's a speculation

[late swallow]

We're getting some more Djadochta[sp?] Fill too

[mint creek]

Since the trello update, the most common guess for the new herbivore in U17 is a second Stego species

[austere sparrow]

Well hey, every single Allosaurus species has a lead role as a documentary headliner under their belt!
(Except A.fragilis but we don't talk about Allosaurus "stolen valor" fragilis)

[late swallow]

True, but also there's the possibility of it being Morrison Sauropod #7

[steep tulip]

I 100% believe if brachio was to be added today, it would have gotten a giraffatitan alt

Like how many animals back then had alts?

[late swallow]

Real

[steep tulip]

Trex/tarbo, trike species

Uhhh

Ugru

[late swallow]

Juxia?

[steep tulip]

And mind you, they weren't all that different between each other

[plush nacelle]

Also we were arguing about kelenken alt, which is not happening.

Unless there is no kelenken

[steep tulip]

Juxia came way later

[mint creek]

Juxia was an update species, not a base game

[late swallow]

I am new pls don't yell at me ;;

[mint creek]

Well I guess all the current species are base game

since the base game isn't finished yet

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-roar-roaring-scary-scaring-gif-23453568

No

[late swallow]

Yes?

[steep tulip]

Newcomers need to tough their hide if they wanna survive here

[austere sparrow]

Honestly almost happier if we get no Kelenken alts, most of the options are either kinda garbage or Phorusracos

[late swallow]

Idk what you said no to tbh

[plush nacelle]

Kelenken isnt any more complete than other options? Especially devincenzia, which has exactly same amount of what we know about both lul

[steep tulip]

Whatever, just silly stuff don't mind it

[mint creek]

I think I lean on feathered species not getting alts, just cause I think they have the most freedom for crazy colours and it's cool seeing a single species have a lot of skin diversity (looking at you Gallimimus)

[steep tulip]

Kelenken is famous

[late swallow]

I don't think I'd be upset if we didn't get a terror bird

[steep tulip]

Tho

Could have gotten devincenzia alt

But it didn't

At least for now

[late swallow]

But I do very much understand the desire for one

[austere sparrow]

...Although I think I'd honestly prefer Phorusracos over Kelenken. The only thing the latter has over the former is "slightly bigger" and like. We have enough huge animals already being slightly smaller is starting to look increasingly desirable to me ngl

[steep tulip]

Well wouldn't say slightly bigger

But it is kinda sad seeing phorusracos kinda shafted to the side

[late swallow]

I'm curious what the needs of galli are gonna look like

[mint creek]

I'm hoping Galli needs a big social group

[austere sparrow]

Ideally Phorusracos and Kelenken as alts of each other seems workable

[mint creek]

I want to have large flocks of them

[late swallow]

But that's not a discussion for this chat

[austere sparrow]

Damn, did they shrink Titanis?

You're not meant to machine wash Terrorbirds 😭

[late swallow]

Shirt

[austere sparrow]

God is there any terrorbird that has more bones than "partial skull" and "half a legbone" with a side of "neck vertebrae" if you're lucky? ._.

[steep tulip]

Maybe this is better

[mint creek]

What's the most complete terror bird?

[plush nacelle]

Andalgalornis

[austere sparrow]

Maybe the devs just heard a more complete Giant Terrorbird is being described rn and waiting for that to be released and that's why the terror bird seemingly slotted out

[plush nacelle]

And paraphysornis

[austere sparrow]

Damn. A kingdom for some ass-bones

[steep tulip]

Yeah all the more famous ones kinda suck ass material wise and how well they are understood

[mint creek]

the azdarchids of the Cenozoic

[austere sparrow]

Do you have a skeletal for that one?

[plush nacelle]

Everybody knows andalgalornis skull

The meaniest looking one

[steep tulip]

No skeletal but what I assume is most of the material

[austere sparrow]

Why is finding skeletals for cenozoic animals fucking impossible

[steep tulip]

Or all

[austere sparrow]

...Isn't that Andalgornis?

[steep tulip]

Nobody cares

[steep tulip]

Oops yeah

didn't read what you were replying to

[austere sparrow]

Average reading comprehension level for PK fans tbf 😔

[steep tulip]

I know we have the wings of that guy

That's about it

[steep tulip]

🐧 🚬

You expect me to act like we in school or something?
I read whatever I want and if I miss something the rest has ti adapt to what I know

[late swallow]

Just like extinct mammal Wikipedia

[steep tulip]

Not enough people care about non mesozoic stuff
Late pleistocene is the one that gets the better treatment and even then there's a lot of stuff that could use a revision

[ancient ibex]

Because dinosaur fans are busy making their fun dinosaur ones

[plush nacelle]

Tru

[steep tulip]

That is both true in the field and online

Prehistoric mammal discussion online is incredibly shallow unless you find your own specific niche

[ancient ibex]

https://www.skeletaldrawing.com/non-dinosaurs Hartman has quite a few

[hollow flower]

I know this unfortunately too well

[desert flame]

I hope that when birds of the Phorusrhacos family are added, a skin based on the Seriema will be added.

[hollow flower]

Reminds me of when I was writing my high school research paper on the Ordovician

Ive been real burnt out on that period since

[steep tulip]

Like I don't blame people for liking mesozoic stuff because it is indeed cool

[austere sparrow]

Hartman is great, but he doesn't colorcode the known versus inferred bones :/

[steep tulip]

But at least get some basic information before you speak

[late swallow]

I would love to see ones based on Shoebills, secretary birds, emus, and a couple others I can't think of

[late swallow]

Hatman

[austere sparrow]

Okay that one was on my keyboard lol

[late swallow]

I see him when I take benadryl

[steep tulip]

As long as it isn't 1:1, sure

[desert flame]

A shoebill-themed skin would be a great idea

[plush nacelle]

I would rather them using predatory birds as inspiration than emu 💀

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, imo; if you want an Emu inspired bird of this vague-ish build, Mihirungs are right there

[late swallow]

Show me another bird that has won a war against a human army

Truthfully, I'd really like galli to have the emu skin

[austere sparrow]

I mean I like Emus but I dunno.

[plush nacelle]

Found one

[desert flame]

birds of prey, I'd like a skin modeled after a Harpy Eagle.

[austere sparrow]

Holy shit, a muppet skeletal

[late swallow]

And imagine cassowary skins

[plush nacelle]

I had to simply open paper on animal. Probably something unimaginable for dinobros, which simply need to type X - skeletal in google

[austere sparrow]

Most animals have dozens of papers to their name, I doubt every single one comes with a skeletal

[plush nacelle]

Still need to hunt down chalicotherium fossil remains

Why this animal is so weirdly niche

Starting to make sense why moropus was the chalicothere before WWB.

[austere sparrow]

Pretty sure Chalicotherium isn't even in WWB so I'm not sure why it seemingly got such a popularity boost

I guess it appeared in ARK?

...Okay I might have been wrong? WWB had a "Chalicothere" but. I guess maybe not Chalicotherium proper...?

[plush nacelle]

No. WWB chalicotherium was weird hypothetical ancestor

[tough marsh]

Honestly been thinking Criocephalosaurus would be cool for size alone

[flint sable]

Llawalavis iirc

[steep carbon]

anything missing in yalls opinion?

[sand quail]

Nemegtosaurs and Barsboldia for the Nemegt but other than that it's solid!

[hollow furnace]

Prenocephale is Nemegt, not Djadochta

[glass snow]

goyocephale is djadochta

[steep carbon]

barsboldia is a bit fragmentery isn't it?

[glass snow]

also tsintao is not from the same formation as shantung

barsboldia is frag as hell

would 100% want saurolophus instead

[steep carbon]

right thats why i didn't list it

[hollow furnace]

It's very fragmentary, and potentially just Saurolophus

[steep carbon]

i thought preno was found in both places?

[hollow furnace]

It is not

[steep carbon]

i will move him, is there anything you would like in such a dlc, that i did not list, droid?

[hollow furnace]

nope, I mean, that list is probably far far far outisde the scope of how big the DLCs could be, but all the animals there are good choices and there's nothing meaningfully left out

[steep carbon]

to be honest, im hoping the dlcs will be large, so that tthe team can charge more for them.

[late swallow]

that

[hollow furnace]

Even if they were large at 25 animal DLC is absurdly large, based on previous dev comments that would mean the DLC would cost the team ~$300 000 to make in animals alone

[late swallow]

is certainly a way to view it

[steep carbon]

IIm thinking about the dollar per animal rule that was stated previously, if thats still how their doing it.

what would you cut?

probably the shang gang lmao

[austere sparrow]

All this is just. Too much for one DLC lol ._.

Like I wouldn't mind it but like. You can really just. Break this into two or three DLCs, easily, and might even then still need to remove some animals I guess

[ancient ibex]

Reminder that Barsboldia was used in Prehistoric Planet because it allowed for reuse of Edmontosaurus assets (and that's fine)

[austere echo]

crossing my fingers for some raptors one day

[austere sparrow]

Immediately?

• Unless Sinraptor gets in as a Yang alt, having both is probably too much
• I love Sinosauropteryx but chances are modders will reskin Compy to make it quite soon after modding becomes possible (assuming it does) so not much of a point for the devs making it
• Shantungosaurus I feel is too similar to Edmontosaurus and Saurolophus to be added in a DLC together with the latter
• Limusaurus doesn't strike me as interesting enough to be worth bothering fiddling with the growth system over to figure out the tooth thing? I guess the devs might prove me wrong here though
• Beipiaosaurus is another genus I love, but unless they add Therizinosaurus during EA, chances are they'll add a different Therizinosaur, which will likely muscle on on its whole vibe (since we now knew they actually grew up) and whatever Therizinosaur will indeed get ingame will probably have at least a skin inspired by it, so, sadly doubt it'll happen
• While interesting and I would love to see most of these, I'm not sure Huayangosaurus, Gigantspinosaurus, Udanoceratops, Sinoceratops, Tarchia, and Confuciusornis are famous or often requested enough to be likely inclusions. Which I usually wouldn't hold against a DLC wishlist, but like. You did request fat-trimming.

Of course.
Ultimately the devs are not beholden to anything we say or do here, so like. Don't feel bad for making unrealistic wishlists, I guess, assuming you keep your expectations about them in check

If they can't make our wishlists, it's their financial responsibility to like. Realize the 25 species DLC is too much for them.

[waxen grail]

Is Confuciousornis not well known?

[austere sparrow]

I feel like it's decently okay known for a Mesozoic true bird, which still puts it below the most obscure non-mammalian alts currently ingame

...Or put otherwise, I expect it to be less well known than Ugruunaluuk (however you write that), albeit like. Assuming you count for "that polar population of Edmontosaurus" and not for people who strictly know that lumping victim of a name.

...I guess Charonosaurus I'd expect to be on a similar level of popularity, actually.

[steep carbon]

i thought Confuciusornis was the most popular creatous bird?

[austere sparrow]

I mean. That honor definitely goes to Archaeopteryx. Or if you don't want to count it, Hesperornis and Ichthyornis.

[glass snow]

archae is jurassic

hesper I would say is more popular though in paleo circles

[austere sparrow]

Oh, true. Brainfart

[ancient ibex]

Confuciusornis is by far the best sampled mesozoic dinosaur and a must for anything involving bird cages and paleo zoos

[glass snow]

confucious should come though

[waxen grail]

I knew of Confuciusornis before I knew there was a polar Edmontosaurus population.
Though I also only learned of Albertosaurus’ existence a few years ago and apparently it’s famous so my experience doesn’t seem to be the most normal

[glass snow]

It is the extinct “true” bird.

[ancient ibex]

Gotta drop the mindset of "not popular", as paleo fans focus way too much on stuff featured on shows and videogames, to a frustrating degree

[austere sparrow]

Hesperornis was in Primeval and multiple documentaries, and Ichthyornis was in the latter, and a land before time sequel. Confuciusornis definitely deserves to be famous, but I really don't think it is, yet.

[glass snow]

don’t we have sexual dimorphism and the direct colors of Confucius

[ancient ibex]

Yup

[glass snow]

among bird science cricles confucius is a must

[ancient ibex]

Hesperornis and Ichthyornis were also discovered before fucking Tyrannosaurus

[glass snow]

it is like in every bird evolution book post its discovery

hespero and icthy are in older books generally

[waxen grail]

Udanoceratops is such a bizarre Ceratopsian that I’m pretty sure hasn’t appeared in any media.
We would miss out on so many cool animals if they only did “popular” ones

[ancient ibex]

They are also in newer ones

[austere sparrow]

I don't really read newer books, neat to know. Hope it gets in then

[ancient ibex]

Can't really drop the toothy almost-modern birds

[glass snow]

I have a book older than the dinosaur renaissance with hespero and icthy

[glass snow]

I know I’m just saying why they are popular and in more media

they are just older

so them and archae were kind of THE mesozoic birds in every textbook.

[austere sparrow]

We are doomed to miss out on hundreds of cool animals either way, and focussing on popular ones does draw crowds better and avoid a lot of the fragmentary and "clone of famous thing" taxa

[glass snow]

I hate the term clones

[ancient ibex]

Enants are THE mesozoic birds in terms of diversity, but for PK purposses... I guess Avisaurus and Gobipteryx are large and distinct enough

[feral cedar]

Confuciusornis is kind of tiny though

50 cm including the long tail feathers

[austere sparrow]

I assume they did expect it to be a mini exhibit animal

[glass snow]

that would still work

it would be a mini

[ancient ibex]

Comparable to archie

[austere sparrow]

Though. The females lack the tail feathers, how big are those

[glass snow]

we will get probably smaller minis than it.

[ancient ibex]

Same body size as Archaeopteryx, more or less

[austere sparrow]

Hopefully, but we haven't yet

[austere sparrow]

So Arche without a tail then?

[glass snow]

Minis less than a meter long are possibly I think we may even get bug minis.

[austere sparrow]

I heavily doubt we'd get any tiny bug minis, not that many famous bugs outside of the carboniferous giants

[glass snow]

the only real minis possibly not possible are hallucigenia and tiny cambrian kin though PZ another game has dung beetles which are the same size as halluci so if pk can do something similar with there engine I guess it techincally is possible

but I don’t expect 5 cm animals

[austere sparrow]

I want to say I wouldn't mind a hell ant, but like. I doubt I could even see a hell ant properly ingame so. Hm.

[feral cedar]

oh, huh...

[ancient ibex]

Same ballpark as 2 of the fying things we are getting

[austere sparrow]

I feel like at a certain size of mini maybe we should ask for informational posters of the animals instead 😅

[glass snow]

I’m not even joking pz dungbeetles are a species at like 10-25 mm in length.

[feral cedar]

So what did Confuciusornis eat again lol

[ancient ibex]

Seeds

[glass snow]

pz has stupidly tiny minis which I don’t think pk will ever do because you engine differences and also why is there dung beetle exhibit with animals that are 10 mm which is huge btw.

[austere sparrow]

Female Conf is about 20 cms, huh 💀

[glass snow]

like pz off topic but the exhibits are tinier than pk’s but many of the species in planet zoo are like only a couple mm-cm long

so they have huge mansions of exhibits

[austere sparrow]

I guess I wouldn't mind Conf but, damn. Guess it'll be between this and some Trilobite to see who gains the "tiniest mini" crown if it does get in

[glass snow]

If pz and other games can do it pk can probably do it

minis aren’t like free roaming any more so it is easier

[feral cedar]

weird question but uh

[glass snow]

the real limit is how small models can be in the engine.

[feral cedar]

Have we looked at more than one Microraptor specimen's melanosomes

are we sure we didn't just happen to look at a melanistic individual?

[ancient ibex]

Mmm wait, that was Jeholornis, Confuciusornis has evidence of being more generalist with its diet

[glass snow]

We have multiple specimens of the same species wui I think and multiple were used for the study.

[ancient ibex]

Body the same size as Archie's or Yi's

[glass snow]

Also wulong a relative also shows the shiny bluish black coloring

[austere sparrow]

A small individual of Yi or Arche :/

[feral cedar]

Okay so in that case then I want to suggest Sinornithosaurus as a possible mini

[glass snow]

so it seems to just be a group thing wulong is different than micro and has lighter colors with the blueish color

[feral cedar]

to be fair we can't always know how big a dinosaur got just from the bones, maybe Confuciusornis was a little bit bigger?

[glass snow]

fun fact Huadanosaurus is where the reddish color from sino first came from and the bands and pattern from the sino actually. Though sino also had a reddish coloration.

Huadando was thought to be a sino specimen.

[mellow creek]

Wulong is so pretty with that blue

[austere sparrow]

It is kinda funny that we're literally discussing a mesozoic sparrow rn ngl

[feral cedar]

lol

[austere sparrow]

Wait

PK has those dung beetle mounds. Do they have associated beetle models?

[ancient ibex]

Lol no

We are discussing something magpie to crow sized

Sparrows are way smaller than 20 cm

[glass snow]

So sinosauropteryx and kin just had similar patterns possibly.

with a reddish coloration and possible bands on tail and masks.

[ancient ibex]

Juveniles with banded patterns

As old as dirt

Good camo

[austere sparrow]

Crows get half a meter long?

[hollow furnace]

We have a massive sample size of Confuciusornis

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, when talking about flying animals, wingspan is the more useful lineal dimension

[austere sparrow]

Like, with a short tail, I mean

[hollow furnace]

Like, hundreds to thousands of specimens

[glass snow]

we only have one yi specimen

[ancient ibex]

Not length

[glass snow]

also confucious is magpie sized

[glass snow]

this

[ancient ibex]

Sparrows don't have a 70 cm wingspan ffs

[austere sparrow]

Sparrows get up to 16 centimeters ish long; but I guess that's four centimeters short of Female Conf; and she lacks the fuzzy butt so probably even more in practice...

[glass snow]

the wingspan still is different

Wingspan matters more in bird size

[austere sparrow]

That does sound about perfect for Magpie wingspan size

[ancient ibex]

Leaellynasaura gets to the same lenght as Coelodonta, so same size

[austere sparrow]

Length too

[glass snow]

velo is six feet long

[ancient ibex]

This is a sparrow sized non-neornithean bird

this is a house sparrow

[austere sparrow]

Neat

[ancient ibex]

this is a Confuciusornis

[austere sparrow]

I do think calling Conf a Cretaceous Sparrow is still apt, tho, because the ecosystem was bigger on average, so it was still relatively a sparrow. 😌

[ancient ibex]

That's dumb

[steep carbon]

the sparrow could fit in its mouth

vore

[austere sparrow]

Yeah nah I was just trying to make a joke 😔

[ancient ibex]

And most of the ecosystem was of comparable size anyway

Paleoenthomologist mate makes sure to remind everybody for a good reason

[austere sparrow]

Does seem big enough for minis, unless that's a particularly tiny person

(I do not think that's a particularly tiny person)

[ancient ibex]

Bugs really got weird when flowers became widespread

But not really going to be focused on

Fossil is a female as well

[austere sparrow]

Bugs really do suffer from being too tiny 😔 (excluding exceptions)

[flint sable]

basically all bug were tiny af outside of the paleozoic huh

[austere sparrow]

I did notice the lacking trail

[ancient ibex]

Birds have compact bodies, and Confuciusornis has quite long wings

[ancient ibex]

Well there are the raptorial grasshoppers of the Triassic pterosaurs outcompeted

[flint sable]

actually I bet I could think of at least maybe 1 or 2 terrestrial ones from the mesozoic and cenozoic that could work

[flint sable]

the whatnow

[ancient ibex]

Gigatitan was discussed earlier I think?

[glass snow]

titanopterans I guess

[austere sparrow]

I would wager giant bugs were probably around even back then, just like. About as rare and as big as the largest bugs nowadays.
Probably all also refused to leave their rainforests and get buried by volcanic ash, those jerks.

[glass snow]

mantis looking Neoptera related to grasshoppers