Community Species Suggestions

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, not even the skull; jaw and braincase pretty much

[outer moth]

Amarga's from a better formation, no?

[austere sparrow]

Looking at fossils fighters now. Oviraptor in a bandit outfit is some incredibly funny shit

[modern totem]

honestly

if they add amarga

they have to add baja

[late swallow]

Amarga is from the La Amarga Formation

[steep tulip]

Amarga is like carno

[steep tulip]

Well carno not alone anymore

[ancient ibex]

Bajada is the most overhyped thing ever

[steep tulip]

At least

[late swallow]

Am absolutely majestic creature

[austere sparrow]

Lesbian Shonisaurus lets goooo

[outer moth]

Amarga seems like the type of animal that would tolerate a mixed-species habitat

[feral cedar]

Bajadasaurus is only hyped up as the “inverse” Amargasaurus

[modern totem]

agree
But it is like if they only added Apato in update 12 if they don't add bajada with amarga
-# if they add amarga

[steep tulip]

La colonia also has 2 other well preserved dinosaurs soon to be described

A hadrosaur and a parankylosaur

Learned it like today lol

Getting a lot of stuff recently

[mellow creek]

Wait til you see bi saichania

Bichania, as it were

[feral cedar]

I wonder what Carnotaurus hunted

[mellow creek]

(should probably move that to an offtopic tho lol)

[ancient ibex]

As if taphonomy couldn't bend a bony rod into an unusual position... 😫

[feral cedar]

Exactly

Amargasaurus preserves the entire sail

[steep tulip]

Idk I wouldn't mind it even if it fits as more of a reference like sauro or ugru

[outer moth]

Huh, I guess I know a special someone who I can call "taphonomy"
/j

[mint creek]

Amargasaurus goated

[glass snow]

tenonto and campto

my beloveds I would also say thesc but thesc is an imposter

same with hypsilo

[modern totem]

We are lacking sauropods trust

we need more

and more

and more

[glass snow]

I mean the mascot of pk is a sauropod

[ancient ibex]

It appears to be solidly an ornithopod as of late

[glass snow]

oh so yeah hypsilo too

with thesc being the not ornithopod

For hadrosaur hoofstock adjacent I can see saurolophus, maiasaura, maybe corytho as a pseudo alt and tethyhadros

Maybe if you want add more filler I guess tsintao or oloro but tsintao is frag.

[late swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-9898447

[ancient ibex]

Tsintao being a non-Corythosaurian lambeosaur is quite neat ngl, it is a weirder thing than usual with those

[steep tulip]

Olorotitan got a funny face

If you remove its crest it looks like a sea horse

[low bridge]

Tsintaosaurus ❌
Chintaosaurus✅

[late swallow]

That is certainly not how you spell it

The spelling is Tsintaosaurus due to antiquated transliteration.
This is also the accepted pronunciation, but surely you won't be chastised to pronounce it off of the city which gave it the name, Qingdao

[sharp sable]

Fellas what about an micropachycephalosaurus?

Is it even a real one now?

Would it fit 4 u16?

[low bridge]

Idk

But i think that Devs need to focus on mammals way more than usual

Don't ht

[late swallow]

I had to google all of those

[austere sparrow]

Rip to all those glupshittos having to compete with the triple punch of Children's Encyclopedia classic, Paleomedia regular, and Zoo Tycoon 2 celebrity - heck, spelling some of their names wrong is just rubbing salt in the wound

[sharp dock]

even zt2 celebrities got misspelled

[austere sparrow]

Making Eucladoceros and Synthetoceras alts to slightly glubshittoer relatives is also kinda whack

And Aepycamelus as a Titanotylopus alt? Bruh

[sharp dock]

Yup

[low bridge]

This doesn't mean that they are alts lolllll i wouldn't waste an another slot for one animal to put into poll so i put one next to another

[sharp dock]

Also while I love megalenhydris it's just an otter

doesn't really have any of the pizazz other extinct semiaquatic mammals can have

[lean hound]

But but.. big=cool!!

Yeah it's not that necessary but I wouldn't mind getting it

[austere sparrow]

Big otter. Don't really see the point. Would rather have a funky seal if we're going digging in the "glubshitto semiaquatic mammals" bin

I guess at least it would have better skin potential than big bear so. That's something I suppose

[lean hound]

yeah

[austere sparrow]

"&" means "and". If you want to signify "or"; either write "or" or "/" when space isn't permitting.

And "x" if you mean to ship them.

Speaking of Big Bear; hot take, but the devs should have used one of the Shortfaced bears instead of the cave bear
More skin potential, it is either ahead or not far behind in terms of media depictions and public interest, more skin potential, the people who would want a cave bear probably can't tell the two apart anyway, More skin potential...

[late swallow]

-# [A# bunch of these are literally just "Bigger version of thing that's alive today"]

[austere sparrow]

I mean. Three out of ten ain't so bad

And tbf Aepycamelus is weird enough it 'ascends' "bigger version of thing that's alive today"

Although I don't think it has the highest inclusion chances, even though it would be a pretty dope low mid-tier animal

[digital pendant]

If you think arctodus has more skin potential than cave bear im sorry to tell you its a wrong statement because it still needs to look and feel like a bear, not an abomination of spots and stripes 😂

[ancient ibex]

I want both

[austere sparrow]

1. Brown bear skin (this is what cave bear has)
2. Spectacled bear skin
3. Intermediate for the two
4. Herbivorous smaller alt -> Panda-inspirations on a spectacled bear inspired skin
5. Asiatic black bear reference skins (basically just a variation of three again)

[austere sparrow]

And I want every single Heterodontosaur, but we can't always get what we want, can we now 😔

[ancient ibex]

Arctodus was being pondered for post-EA, and that's good

Cave bears are important, short faced ones are neat, 2 bears is great

[austere sparrow]

Why the 👎 whats your problem with the short faced skin ideas

Is it just because the cave bear caught a stray

[digital pendant]

Asiatic black bear and spectacled bear are basically the same in terms of looks tbf. That seems to be the ancestral condition of bears. Black with some sort of chest and facial marking

[ancient ibex]

Facial markings as well

Personally I don't like brown bear patterns on Arctodus

[digital pendant]

There is a lot of brown bear variation tbh

[austere sparrow]

I don't fully mind the Cave bear, but the fact that it got three near identical skins instead of like. Any alt species. Is whack

[digital pendant]

Marsican bear look would be neat

[ancient ibex]

Cave bears are for all intent and purposes part of the brown bear radiation and thus brown is fine on them

But I like Arctodus better with black fur and cream markings

[austere sparrow]

Cave bears are brown bears once removed. Arctodus/Arctotherium are a whole-ass distinct pair of genera with multiple species and have way more skin potential. Sure, you might not like a brown Short-faced-bear, but a black and cream version would have probably still existed anyway

[sharp dock]

I like trains

[austere sparrow]

Cave bear cope is crazy ngl

[sharp dock]

where is the train bear

[digital pendant]

Lmao cave bear cope

Its in the game already, idk why people keep whinning about it

Pointless

[austere sparrow]

Because it's a bad inclusion, duh

[digital pendant]

Subjective point

[plush nacelle]

I remember reddit thread explaining cave bear as forest dweller having unique patterns similar to asiatic black and spectacled bears, with arctodus - plain dweller - being brown

[sharp dock]

I don't think the cave bear is bad

it's certainly not the most impressive animal but it's fine

it's kinda like the cave lion honestly, fits well to make ice age maps

and the bear rig can be put to good use with arctodus as stated

[digital pendant]

Arctodus would have looked like a combination or rather similar to any of the living bears tbh. If anything a lot of reconstructions make it look malnourished to make it look more distinct

It was for all intents and purposes an upscaled andean bear

[ancient ibex]

God I really dislike Andean instead of spectacled

I know it is from there

[sharp dock]

andean rolls the tongue better

[ancient ibex]

But the markings are really striking

[austere sparrow]

Damn, upscaled normal modern bear sounds like a terrible addiction doesn't it :^)

[ancient ibex]

Oso de anteojos rhymes my dude

[digital pendant]

I say andean cause faster to type

[sharp dock]

we are not talking in spanish here

[digital pendant]

But in my country where these bears do exist both are used interchangeably so doesnt matter

[digital pendant]

Ikr!

[sharp dock]

Arctodus is inevitable and I'll all for it tbh

[ancient ibex]

3 of the people in the conversation I believe speak more often in Spanish than in English I believe lol, hence the rolling of the tonge

[digital pendant]

Same

[sharp dock]

but that doesn't mean the cave bear is bad in any way

[ancient ibex]

Oh yeah

[austere sparrow]

I mean I mostly think the cave bear is bad because the skins look so damn similar

[digital pendant]

If arctodus gets an arctotherium alt then even better and that would be it for me bears wise imo

[ancient ibex]

Arctodus and mastodon are animals I really want to see despite feeling similar to stuff already in

[austere sparrow]

I don't mind big bear in theory

But if we gotta have big bear make it interesting at least

[plush nacelle]

Arctotherium funny for small bear

[ancient ibex]

I mean, they are already quite diverse for an Ursine bear

We ain't getting panda bear Ursus

[sharp dock]

I think the skins are fine, they are kinda in line with brown bear variation

[digital pendant]

I actually would argue it is a strength because you can mix them in an exhibit and not look jarring

[sharp dock]

I think it would be cooler if one was fluffier

than the others

or something

[digital pendant]

A fluffier skin would indeed be cool

[ancient ibex]

We will be able to play with natural hue variation come next update, and by full release color editing could work interestingly anyway

[sharp dock]

green bears pog

[plush nacelle]

Gummy bear update

[austere sparrow]

Damn, why did they even bother with the different bear skins if hue variation is coming anyway

[sharp dock]

We should have pachystruthio in the game (thicc ostrich)

[austere sparrow]

...Y'know I was really expecting another snarky reply to that one

Guess cave bear cope only goes so far

[sharp dock]

I kinda miss when people asked for repenomamus

good times

🥺

[austere sparrow]

Fun

Friend(?) for Psittacosaurus

"Big rat" too so good chances for inclusion

[plush nacelle]

My hot take regarding rapenomamus is it being exhibit animal.

[austere sparrow]

I mean, duh

[plush nacelle]

Some argue it is too small

But whole point of rapenomamus is hunting dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Oh? Non exhibit Repono?

I guess I wouldn't mind either way

[digital pendant]

Going back to this. Ngl I REALLY want to see Uintatherium with Eobasileus alt. Dinoceratans are such weird animals. After seeing the mount of Uintatherium at the Paris natural museum in person, I realized how freaky they are

[austere sparrow]

Uintatherium is supremely goated

[plush nacelle]

This my favourite interpretation

[sharp dock]

one day we will find uintathere soft tissue and we will know that they prolly looked nothing like that

I lowkey expect it

[plush nacelle]

This one also good

[austere sparrow]

I like that one artwork that leans into it looking very shrewish, since it basically shot up from being a small animal relatively fast, evolutionary timeframe wise. With light brown fuzz

Ohhh nice

How sensible is it to use that bony crown they had as an analogue for ossicones?

[sharp dock]

Da baby

Uintatheres are kinda overlooked

[digital pendant]

Its plausible tbh

[austere sparrow]

Uintatheres were in like. All of my childhood dinosaur books that had a noteworthy mammal section, and they do pop up in those dinosaur statue parks quite a bit

[low bridge]

Uintatherium and Eobasileus was PEAKIEST mammals of their time

[plush nacelle]

Paleocene - early eocene is overlooked in general

[sharp dock]

Yeah but do you ever see any book going in depth about them, other than "here iz big mammal with funny horns from early cenozoic"

[digital pendant]

The trifecta of weird mammals that were rhino/elephant like and were in every book are Uintatherium, Megacerops, and Arsinotherium

[austere sparrow]

Definitely feel like they ascend past glubshitto status at least

[sharp dock]

ye

dino book trifectas do be all over the place

[digital pendant]

I read about arsinotherium the other day and that thing is lowkey weird as fuck

[sharp dock]

yeah it was a weird boyo

[austere sparrow]

Arsinoitherium pog. My pal almost gored Nigel once

[low bridge]

Nigel loves Arsinoitherium

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I want one of every single one of the fake Rhinos ingame

Really get your moneys worth with those rhino anims

[digital pendant]

Considering how as updates progresses mammals seem to be the more viable animals to start a park with in challenge it makes sense to expand upon it a bit more

[sharp dock]

considering uinta and arsino had different leg anatomy I wouldn't be so sure it'd be that easy

[digital pendant]

Arsino has leg anatomy similar to elephants funny enough

[sharp dock]

uinta too somewhat

[low bridge]

He was likely an impostor in the family

[austere sparrow]

I mean, they made the growth system work so I feel like different leg proportions should be possible

[digital pendant]

Rigs can be adjusted so i dont think it would be much of an issue

[low bridge]

Due to how it looked

[sharp dock]

I kinda hope uinta gets an eobasileus alt

Eobasileus is the goat

[austere sparrow]

Eobasileus alt for Uinta would be neat

Embolo and Megacerops annoy me because I feel like they both deserve a distinct slot but I'm not sure the devs would go for that

...Then again I guess that would also run into skin problems, hm

Only so many ways to skin a rhino

I guess for Arsino you could play with elephant hyperpigmentation and hippo inspiration (since, I believe, it was semi-aquatic?), and "slightly fuzzy Brontotherium" is a bit of a paleomeme so that's a way to do something for them, I guess. And Uintatherium has no living close relatives so you can go a little bit buckwild with that one

Found that shrew-y Uintatherium I talked about earlier. Freakier looking than I remembered. Not too sure about the nose lol

...I guess Uintatherium is pretty lightly built tho, huh

Like. By niche standards.

[ancient ibex]

The bear has been in game for 7 months, had been confirmed for a long time, and was also one of the animals modelled back in the pre-pandemic days; I believe you are the one with a really toxic discourse over it

[austere sparrow]

We moved on from Cave bear cope and Anti-Cave bear cope, Erior, pls

[ancient ibex]

Let's see how terrariums work as well; as they are they don't do much, but post U16 they could have potential as starter stuff

[austere sparrow]

If terrariums are really really good they'll probably be great for us obscure-weirdo-enjoyers

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, as-is Juxia is the starter mammal, but I believe smaller hoofstock would do wonders for that, Juxia is quite large all in all

[austere sparrow]

Since pretty much everything already announced from it (aside from Compsognathus obviously) seems to be around the same fame tier as like, say, Ouranosaurus

...That might be selling Ouranosaurus short come to think about it

[ancient ibex]

Ouranosaurus also strikes me as an animal whose size was underestimated for implementation

[austere sparrow]

It was in Planet Dinosaur AND JPOG AND the JW Netflix series AND dozens of childrens books after all, hm

[ancient ibex]

Dryo/Hypsi/Tenonto/Thescelo (with potential Leaellyna) for Hypsilophodonts, and Campto/Iggy/Ourano/Mutta for Iguanodonts was the usual kids book roster

With perhaps a rhabdodont mention

[austere sparrow]

P much yeah

My own main kids book of choice drove into some more obscure genera like. Probactrosaurus and Lesothosaurus, among others

[low bridge]

Human casualties Kingdom when??

[ancient ibex]

Bactrosaurus is quite common in those, and Lesotho keeps popping up

[ancient ibex]

Go read the trello

[austere sparrow]

Would Lesothosaurus be a good addition? I kinda want it for that empty-ish Nanosaurus/Hypsilophodon-esque Runner niche

Leaellyna is cute but just. Doesn't have the Klippspringer/Gazelle vibes

And obviously Thescelosaurus is the warthog. :V

[mint creek]

Update 18.

[late swallow]

This image makes us want to vomit

[wild relic]

It's a pretty small guy

I think it's big enough to be a habitat animal

[late swallow]

I'm not terribly opposed to Megacerops, main concern being so close in name to Megaloceros

[late swallow]

Smol bean

[wild relic]

Indeed

I was gonna use Cisiopurple's but the cat isn't scaled right

[late swallow]

Also deviantart watermark

[wild relic]

Eh people still publicly use him images soooo

[late swallow]

Oh, no criticism of the creator, merely the platform

[wild relic]

Ah

Fair I guess

But he's a nice dude

So one of the good ones I guess

But we're not here to talk about DA lol

[lean hound]

That really isn't an issue

[late swallow]

Real

[uneven tapir]

we can also have a variant for him of fabrosaurus, which is a dubious genus. They lived in the same location, they are the same size, they look the same, so might just be a species of lesothosaurus, but who knows

[wild relic]

I'm pretty sure that some experts believe it represents simple variation of Lesothosaurus, so I'm pretty sure they're just the same animal

I don't think it's a good enough warrant for it to be an alt given it being dubious, yes I know Ugrunaaluk is in the game but he's like an exception because of being a product of its time

[uneven tapir]

true, but its not confirmed - a lot of people say that they are the same animal, some say that they're only a different species and some say they're a whole different genus - but if they are the same genus, then fabrosaurus would be the name since it was found before lesotho, so really cool

[wild relic]

And really I don't want to see more dubious taxon because of their shaky status of being valid, I moreso would rather see animals that are most definitely agreed that they are valid

Or are still regarded as valid y'know

[late swallow]

S. maximus is coming as well, instead of as A. anax

[wild relic]

Okay fair but other than Sauro, no other dubious taxon

Saurophaganax is just goated

[uneven tapir]

saurophaganax is just a cool name thats true

the goat of the goated dinosaurs

i forgot to change my pfp

[feral cedar]

That’s how you know it’s a patented EZ suggestion

[feral cedar]

for what it’s worth

I grew up calling it “oso de anteojos”

[feral cedar]

I don’t think it counts as speaking Spanish to refer to an animal with the language people that live in its country speak

[ancient ibex]

Andean bear sounds to me as American zoomer vocabulary for some reason

Lesothosaurus may be the earliest diverging thyreophoran fwiw, so it'd be a cool critter for minis

[feral cedar]

here they’re used somewhat interchangeably

but spectacled bear SEEMS to be the one I heard more

[past mist]

ik it they aren’t the most exciting animals of the Pleistocene but I’d LOVE to see Macrauchenia and Toxodon added one day

[steep tulip]

Nah they lowkey goated

[feral cedar]

Macrauchenia and Toxodon my beloveds

[past mist]

idk why but i’ve always loved these two, probably because they’re an excellent example of convergent evolution + Pleistocene South America is js goated

[feral cedar]

Pleistocene South America has so many amazing animals

[past mist]

plus once Megatherium and Glyptodon/Doedicuerus get added (they’re planned right?) these two would go nicely with them

[feral cedar]

Megatherium, Doedicurus, Toxodon, Macrauchenia, Smilodon populator, Glyptodon

Arctotherium

astrapotheres as a whole

[past mist]

they’re a bit earlier on but still goated

[feral cedar]

well yeah I was about to say

[past mist]

i’d love to see Mylodon but i know they can’t add every cool prehistoric creature

and it’s not as popular as other Sloths like Megatherium and Megalonyx

[feral cedar]

I want my beloved SANU trinity with astrapotheres, notoungulates, and litopterns

(South American Native Ungulates)

[past mist]

South America is js generally an amazing continent when it comes to wildlife

in any time period

[feral cedar]

technically xenungulates and pyrotheres exist too but they already kinda resemble notoungulates and astrapotheres respectively

[plush nacelle]

Theosodon goated

Kelenken buddy

[open heron]

I need granastrapotherium right now.

[modern totem]

me after googling all of those

[austere sparrow]

Macrauchenia and Toxodon are both hella goated imo

Definitely excited for those, and to see the devs take on their coloration

[toxic oriole]

Too early to suggest Shri? (The Dromaeosaur genus)

[austere sparrow]

...Part of the fun of new additions is the skins, and I am always pretty disappointed when some (or all) of them don't appeal to me (RIP Cave bear and Iguanodon)

[hollow furnace]

Shri was named 4 years ago so… ig not

[austere sparrow]

I haven't really bothered looking into it yet. Does it have anything noteworthy going on?

[toxic oriole]

Well a recently named member for it got announced

rapax

Quite literally equal in size to Velociraptor, but with noteable differences

Shorter tail
Robust snout, giant sickle claws on its hands and feet

The robust snout means it probably has a stronger bite force than velociraptor itself

Now I don't know the size of Shri devi, since that one is a bit more fragmentary afaik

Yet Shri rapax is more complete as opposed to devi

[slim flare]

Deinonychus or bust

Then you can have anything else

[ancient ibex]

Dromaeosaurus does Shri's shtick as well, but also works as a NA late cretaceous animal

But yeah, Deinonychus is IMO a must for Eudromies

[austere sparrow]

Sickle claws on the hands? Hm. Sounds funky

[ancient ibex]

Large hand claws are also found in Utahraptor FWIW

[toxic oriole]

So it aint unusual to find stuff like that on small dromaeosaurs or eudromaeosaurs?

[austere sparrow]

I wouldn't mind Shri once we have Deinonychus (Dromaeosaurus can bite it imo) and a healthy amount of mammals and Paleozoics

[toxic oriole]

Yes I only suggested Shri because of Shri rapax
NO, I don't regret it

[ancient ibex]

Ah yeah, let's double down on Djadotcha Velociraptorines instead of using the namesake of the family that covers the same morpho niche but also the NA Campano-Maastrichian dromie niche... 🙄

Not saying that it isn't an interesting animal tho

[toxic oriole]

Wait whats the size of Dromaeosaurus itself again?

[austere sparrow]

"They're the same size, so they could reasonably live together" is how I justify that choice to myself

[ancient ibex]

Same as Velo pretty much

[austere sparrow]

I guess Dromie could too if it and Velo ended up sharing a biome but. Don't think they do?

[toxic oriole]

Was Dromaeosaurus found in a desert environment in North America or something? I'm not sure

[hollow furnace]

No

At least not what we actually know is dromeosaurus

[ancient ibex]

What we learned this week is that Velociraptorines and Dromaeosaurines both evolved slender snouted AND thick snouted forms by the late cretaceous independently of each other; long snouted NA dromaeosaurs are closer to thick snouted NA dromaeosaurs than to long snouted mongolian dromaeosaurs

I'm expecting more weirdness to be sorted out once Utahraptor's good material is properly described after all, I'm lowkey expecting it to not be an actual eudromaeosaur by the common definition

[toxic oriole]

Once they DO describe said material

...

I just hope no size changes happen

[ancient ibex]

Animals change size all the time, it is called growing 🙃

[toxic oriole]

i just dont want utahraptor to be downsized

[late swallow]

He's just fat

[ancient ibex]

Pay no heed to big numbers fwiw; Utahraptor as a bear sized animal is already daunting

[toxic oriole]

The shri rapax material in question

[austere sparrow]

Ho dang

That's a nice fossil

It the. Left portion another animal or did this bore SOB get absolutely gored

[ancient ibex]

It got buried in a dune

[ancient ibex]

Gotta remember the rumours of 2007 or so

[toxic oriole]

Dromaeosaur the size of an ordinary theropod dinosaur???????????

[feral cedar]

damn... that's impressive

[austere sparrow]

What the fuck

[glass snow]

it head is cast as it was allegedly lost because the specimen was trafficked for a while.

[ancient ibex]

11 meters is not "ordinary theropod dinosaur"

[glass snow]

for shri rapax

[toxic oriole]

Not the length, the HEIGHT

[feral cedar]

does Dromaeosaurus also have the large hand claws?

[ancient ibex]

We don't have its hand claws, but every bulky headed dromaeosaur we have has enlarged hand claws I believe (then again, it is kinda weird with Utahraptor, gotta wait for a description of the complete specimens)

[toxic oriole]

So since the skull in the picture is a replica...

And the real skull was lost...

Who the hell has the real skull?

[late swallow]

Jack Horner, under his pillow

[feral cedar]

ngl Shri rapax would've been a very interesting 'evil' rival for Velociraptors in the Jurassic World movies lol

[slim flare]

Except Velociraptor in JP/JW is Deinonychus

Acrocanthosaurus...

[feral cedar]

So is Atrociraptor, technically

[slim flare]

No

[toxic oriole]

Hi I'm Atrociraptor and I am an Atrocious Thief!

[feral cedar]

Two dromaeosaurs modeled after Deinonychus and then given a name change to a 'cooler name'

[slim flare]

It was made as Deinonychus until people reminded Universal that the Velociraptor are already Deinonychus

[austere sparrow]

Deinonychus infighting

[feral cedar]

I am in the JWE Discord I distinctly remember the 2021 rumors of 'Deinonychus' being in JWD

[feral cedar]

Well yeah

But also no

A designer on Twitter said Colin Trevorrow emailed him about changing the dromaeosaur to Atrociraptor

[toxic oriole]

Someone should tell Colin Treforrow about some of these Dromaeosaurs

Unless they already know what they are

[feral cedar]

https://x.com/kev_jenkins/status/1538065552622637057

kevin jenkins (@kev_jenkins)

@JhnReed It was decided we try a new dinosaur . For a while it was a Deinonychus. Then I got an email one evening that simply said ‘ Atrociraptor’ from Colin.

X · Jun 18, 2022, 7:46 AM

Dear Kevin Jenkins,

Atrociraptor

Sincerely,

Colin Trevorrow

Sent from my iPhone

[ancient ibex]

Colin found the name and of course the dumb fuck went that way

[austere sparrow]

About the level of professionalism and context I expect from Trevorrow

[plush nacelle]

Bro didn't got edgy name and now JP franchiese is going to ignore him forever

[ancient ibex]

Moros is a mini rex, Giganotosaurus is that Acrocanthosaurus toy

[toxic oriole]

I wonder, how was "Deinonychus" gonna be designed in Dominion if they sticked to the script and DIDNT change to Atrociraptor?

[ancient ibex]

Contrast JP using technical literature to model the dinosaurs

[ancient ibex]

Exactly the same, raptor but different

[feral cedar]

Colin seems very impressionable

"Holy shit mini rex"

[plush nacelle]

BTW it seems like they wanted to use dakotaraptor in rebirth lmao

[feral cedar]

"Woah cool name"

[ancient ibex]

in Park the animal was designed as Deinonychus, then steadily got a more and more Velo look (saving the differences)

[austere sparrow]

Colin literally removed a dinosaur (Stegoceratops) because his toddler told him so

[toxic oriole]

Stegoceratops is still there....................

[austere sparrow]

"Having two hybrids will make the Indominus less special" the child said

Or something like that. Allegedly.

[feral cedar]

Are you telling me I could've whispered into Colin's ear in 2015 that the blue filter is dumb and he would've listened

[austere sparrow]

It has a cameo, it doesn't actually appear

[ancient ibex]

He is proud of The Book of Henry after all

[toxic oriole]

Still counts................

[austere sparrow]

Depends. Were you a toddler? 🤔

[feral cedar]

Also idk if it's just me but I steadfastedly refuse to believe Colin's favorite dinosaur is Microceratus

[austere sparrow]

Frontier doesn't seem to think so, considering they used a different design for the same name

Colin has real "my favorite dinosaur is Tyrannotitan" vibes

But I guess if that was true it would've appeared in JWD so

[toxic oriole]

Yeah I think his real favorite dinosaur is the Titanotitan

[austere sparrow]

Gigantspinosaurus, because it's Giga AND Spino

Gigatitan. Peak favorite Colin dinosaur.

[feral cedar]

I genuinely think Colin picked Microceratus as his favorite dinosaur in a similar vein as to why Peloroplites of all things is a corpse dinosaur

"heehee no one knows this dinosaur, they'll think I'm VERY smart"

[idle hearth]

All of them

[low bridge]

Which ones?

Dromomeryx? Prolibytherium? Giraffokeryx??

Kyptoceras?

[open heron]

Said all of them, so these ones presumably: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Extinct_mammals

[low bridge]

Century old wishlist

[austere sparrow]

That category is incomplete. You can help us by expanding it. Loads hunting rifle

[low bridge]

My mind would explode on this

[modern totem]

Atopodentatus

-# As the biggest "mini exhibit" species

[austere sparrow]

Feel like that one can be a proper exhibit species, unless its way smaller than I remember

[steep tulip]

At that point I might as well wait for aquatics

[flint sable]

reminds me where Cervalces was listed on a wikipedia as locally extinct

[steep tulip]

If they come

[modern totem]

Maybe

[austere sparrow]

Don't use Prehistoric Wildlife for scaling

They're not reliable whatsoever

[modern totem]

"Atopodentatus was a medium-sized reptile measuring about 2.75 m (9.0 ft) long"
The scale doesn't look wrong
-# Yea ik it shows it had exactly 3 meters but whatever

[austere sparrow]

Yeah this is one of the less bad ones

Pretty common to see animals be inflated to twice as large as they should be

[late swallow]

Design a cover for your hoover that looks like yhis

[modern totem]

Minmi.

-# and Kunbarrasaurus

or Stegouros

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Minmi doesn't have any remains worth mentioning, I believe (the Minmi recons you might've seen in books tend to actually be Kunbarrasaurus) but Kunbarrasaurus itself and Stegouros are goated

[modern totem]

Europasaurus

[strange lion]

Amebelodon

An extinct genus of shovel-tusked proboscideans

-# Alternatively, any genus from the Amebelodontidae family

[cosmic cosmos]

The name minmi is just too iconic to skip on IMO, kunbarra with a Stegouros and minmi alt would be goated tho

[plush nacelle]

Nah. Skip minmi.

Antarctopelta way better for third alt

[foggy matrix]

Andrewsarchus would be good. Cool big mammal, with a lot of interesting skin potential

[ancient ibex]

It is a jawless skull of an entelodont relative

[plush nacelle]

If people want ,,andrewsarchus,, there is always pachyaena or sinonyx

[sharp dock]

smol eyed boy

[ancient ibex]

The big derp

[plush nacelle]

Big tenrec you all

[low bridge]

Warning everyone watch: Best mammals for Prehistoric Kingdom: Eremotherium, Megacerops, Embolotherium, Mixotoxodon, Menoceras, Dinofelis, Ancylotherium, Sivatherium, Stegotetrabelodon, Deinotherium, Tylocephalonyx, Discokeryx, Prolibytherium, Giraffokeryx, Bramatherium,Hoplitomeryx, Climacoceras, Kyptoceras, Syndyoceras, Synthetoceras, Epicyon, Aenocyon, Barbourofelis, Agriotherium, Rusingoryx, Glyptotherium, Panochtus

[austere sparrow]

False

Attention everybody observe: Best mammals forum Prehistoric Kingdom: Milodon, Uintatherium, Eobasileus, Toxodon, Chilotherium, Megantereon, Hesperotherium, Diprotodon, Cuvieronius, Prodeinotherium, Zygomaturus, Myotragus, Vishnutherium, Capromeryx, Tetrameryx, Hayoceros, Ramoceras, Propalaeotherium, Xenorhinotherium, Juxia, Diacodexis, Hyaenodon, Borhyeana, Panthera, Indarctos, Hippotragus, Glyptopelta, Parapropaleohoplophorus

[mint creek]

Hmm, think I prefer Ez's list

[austere sparrow]

||Tbf my list is just making fun of EZ's list vomit||

[low bridge]

If my list irritates you just ignore it and stop making fun of it

Simple

🤷

[austere sparrow]

ok

[low bridge]

I don't have a fcking problem to you but you have over my wishlists that some day will be in game in future and after this i have nothing more to say anyways

[austere sparrow]

what?

...Also I hadn't said anything else about your list in over 40 minutes so why did you think I wasn't done already 😔

[low bridge]

Nevermind my english is pfucked

[wild relic]

Guys guys let's just drop this before it gets out of hand okay

[austere sparrow]

Feel like that comment is a bit late lol

[wild relic]

Stop

[austere sparrow]

Stop what? ._. Nothing is happening anymore

[wild relic]

You didn't need to make any remarks

[austere sparrow]

I guess I didn't. And yet I did.

[lean hound]

They're right though the conversation had already ended

[austere sparrow]

Like. Who died and made you moderator?

[mint creek]

Suggesting (one of) my personal glubshittos; Maip. Though fragmentary he fills a couple niches by being a large megaraptor and filling out the southern hemisphere a bit more.

[wild relic]

True

[modern totem]

hmmmmmmmmmm

if they add maip

they have to add...

[wild relic]

Honestly gotten popular ever since its description

[mint creek]

It has a very sick name

[wild relic]

Shadow of death

[modern totem]

Australovenator

[wild relic]

Pretty cool name for a dino

[modern totem]

Tyrant Lizard King

[austere sparrow]

We have the long-standing suggestion of having Australovenator, Megaraptor and Maip as different-growth-stage alts of each other, Juxia style

[mint creek]

in closing my argument:

[lean hound]

The shadow of death that kills in the cold wind.. large chest

[austere sparrow]

Comes up every so often

[lean hound]

Kaimere probably isn't the best design to show what it looks like

😅

[mint creek]

who

[austere sparrow]

It's fragmentary as shit, Kaimere is as good as anything - and besides, this is explicitly meant to be Maip

[austere sparrow]

Kaimere is a distant planet. It's defined by waves of life, caused by microbes called magic by the people who live there.
Spec Evo/Fantasy/SciFi Book series and Youtube Channel. Pretty popular, pretty pog

[modern totem]

lol

[late swallow]

A wise individual

[vivid field]

Uintatherium and Megacerops (i didn’t see the vote)

[vivid field]

that kills with the cold wind

[wild relic]

Indeed

[lean hound]

Large chest

[vivid field]

that’s what macrothorax means, yes

[feral cedar]

idk about you guys but I kinda want Massospondylus

[wild relic]

Actually

I agree

[lean hound]

Based

[wild relic]

We need some more "prosauropods" besides just Plateo

[feral cedar]

Plateosaurus gracilis is too big to be redundant with the boy

Which only speaks how big trossingensis winds up being too

[feral cedar]

Eoraptor and Massospondylus would do a good job of covering the “prosauropod” bases

[wild relic]

Fr

Those are like the only ones I can think of being added

[left spear]

Eo would be a mini so it's inmediatly unique in this context

[hollow furnace]

Eo could be either a mini or full

[lean hound]

I think it could pass as a full

[wild relic]

I remember this guy when we watched CNN in school and it was described, Ledumahadi

[lean hound]

It seems just about big enough

[feral cedar]

not a prosauropod 🤓

[lean hound]

This feels like the uncanny valley version of a dinosaur

[left spear]

Honestly i wouldn't mind Masso having a Yunnano or lufeng alt

[wild relic]

Yes I know

[feral cedar]

If Massos gets an alt it should be Sarahsaurus for that delicious Kayenta rep

[wild relic]

Man I forget how small Masso is, I always imagined it being bigger but then seeing it like man

And then there's Vulcanodon which for some reason I keep remembering it

Very early sauropod

[left spear]

Oh yeah Sarah is cool

[wild relic]

Hi Pete

[ancient ibex]

Eoraptor's adult size is estimated as larger than Velociraptor

[feral cedar]

yeah you said it was probably 2m long and by mass it’s bigger than velo

which is well into the full exhibit animal territory

[ancient ibex]

The specimen we have is also about as large as a Leaelly, and known to not be fully grown

[digital bridge]

I'd like to see more mammals,like gigant armadillos

[ancient ibex]

Massospondylus would be great for early jurassic rep, specially with Sarahsaurus (and even Glacialisaurus if you want something to go alongside Cryolopho)

Personally, with the 2 plateosaur sizes, my personal choices are Eoraptor and Melanorosaurus; great diversity of prosauropod shapes that way

But massospondylids are juicy additions to early jurassic formations

[left spear]

I mean Sarah shared formation with Dilo right

[feral cedar]

Melanorosaurus could be used to fill out a “Triassic weirdos” DLC

[steep tulip]

Melanorosaurus would be awesome I agree

[austere sparrow]

Gotta love Melanorosaurus

[wild relic]

What a silly guy

[ancient ibex]

Horse

[wild relic]

Friend shaped

[golden canopy]

Thylacoleo would be cool along with gigantopithecus and dinopithecus these animals would be interesting with climbing mechanics

[austere sparrow]

You might want to find a different picture for the baboon, gore isn't allowed on the server I believe (even though this is admittedly very mild, and drawn)

But yeah I would definitely love Thylacoleo

[wild relic]

More Aussies are always welcomed

[austere sparrow]

The devs had said before that they don't trust themselves to pull off ape anims tho, sadly, so Giganto likely won't make it in

Not sure if they'd be willing to try with the baboon tho

[steep tulip]

Tbh I think people gonna be very disappointed with giganto actual size if it gets added lol

[median relic]

gigantopithecus is like the most overhyped animal ever lol

[steep tulip]

Archaeoindris my goat

[flint sable]

the notable megalodong...

[steep tulip]

Megadong at least got the size to back up the fame

And better material too strangely enough lol

[outer moth]

Gigantopithecus is overhyped, yes, but that doesn't really discredit it as an addition

In fact even if the size is different, I'm not really gonna stop liking what is basically an asiatic gorilla
(in terms of niche)

Giganto still offers insight into great ape presence in pre-ice age Asia

[steep tulip]

Idk
Like it's also just a jaw and its most likely gonna be the only animal in it's formation to be added
Like if it was actually big it could have been cool, but if to make it interesting you have to make up most of it, then I prefer get something else

[outer moth]

And plus I feel like designing habitats for em would be fun

But that's just my point of view

It's not the most significant

[glass snow]

Cuban macaw and the Carolina Parakeet for recently extinct aviary animals

[quick ore]

I feel like there are better parrots than the cuban macaw but I'm not against adding species from cuba

[slim flare]

I am

[quick ore]

the Broad Billed Parrot of Mauritius would be cool, would give the Dodo some company

[quick ore]

why?

there's some good sloths there too

[steep tulip]

this one good

[slim flare]

Bay of Pigs Invasion

[quick ore]

what

[slim flare]

Damn

Should have payed attention in history class

[quick ore]

You don't want cuban species because of politics? That's weird

[slim flare]

It was a joke

[flint sable]

Megalocnus would be a better pick for me IMO

and would still work in an RE pack

[steep tulip]

Tbh they probably won't be competing for a spot

Tho I do really want megalocnus

[austere sparrow]

Megalocnus 💯
Sid the Sloth for PK 😤

[past mist]

there was also the Cuban Giant Owl which is obscure but it’s awesome

[silver steeple]

"Obscure"

To the average joe sure

But anyone who's looked at pleistocene paleo for more than like a couple hours knows about Ornimegalonyx lol

[quick ore]

wow if it was that size it surely could get a roster slot as an exhibit animal.

[past mist]

thats what i meant

i js mentioned it since we're on the topic of Cuban animals for PK

[median relic]

idek about that honestly

[past mist]

it might not be the MOST obscure but its definitely on the obscure side

[late swallow]

or listened to one of the most popular Billy Joel songs

[feral cedar]

smh

Argentinosaurus is the only South American dinosaur in the game at the moment

A true crime

I’m going to pull one of those moments where someone just suddenly pukes out a big list. South American dinosaurs for consideration:

Carnotaurus, Saltasaurus, Austroraptor, Stegouros, Amargasaurus, Herrerasaurus, Eoraptor…

and yes, Giganotosaurus

[slim flare]

Is Saltasaurus that interesting?

Could you even see the armor in life?

[tidal estuary]

Saurosuchus and Barinasuchus

South america has too many interesting creature

[late swallow]

-# [A# just gesture vaguely at Bonaparte's works lol]

[feral cedar]

According to paleoart, yes

wide

[plush nacelle]

Huh

Literally just wanted to find anything regarding it and found this one

[feral cedar]

Well yeah it was the first osteoderm-bearing titanosaur, not the only one

[plush nacelle]

Nvm, I misunderstood

[late swallow]

He ate coty

[plush nacelle]

Saltasaurus is carried by size right? I am seeing its not exactly the biggest animal for sauropod standards

[feral cedar]

I made this in the last 5 minutes so apologies if it's rough

This is a very rough estimation of an 8.5m long Saltasaurus which is roughly how long it's estimated to be

I have no idea where the hell the red one came from

Huh, surprisingly consistent with this size chart

[fading kestrel]

Is there ANY dinosaur that isn't?

[slim flare]

Dakotaraptor

[fading kestrel]

It's either a chimera or a dromaeosaurid, both interesting for different reasons

[rocky kestrel]

Dunno if this has been mentioned before or is already in the game, but I want to see Proceratosaurus in the game, especially if it gets its head frill.

[outer moth]

Proceratosaurus has a crest

[low bridge]

Are Artiodactyls overrated?

[austere sparrow]

I like 'em biiig... 🦛

Saltasaurus is interesting. It is fat and tiny and pretty unique vibes-wise

Also we have the eggs of. Well, not sure they were actually of it, or just a close relative. But there's a massive Bone beds of Saltasaurine eggs and that's cool

...Also "Ornimegalonyx isn't obscure" is probably one of the funniest takes to come out of this thread ngl

I guess out of all the extinct owls it's probably among the closest to not obscure but like. Y'know.

[plush nacelle]

He is right. Ornimegalonyx is obscure only to average joe, who is probably not even interested in paleontology to begin with or non-avian dinosaurs purist

True B tier. Not something well known, but also not something truly obscure. Few hours into pleistocene is enough to find something about this one

[austere sparrow]

...Did I miss a flood of Ornimegalonyx in childrens encyclopedias or paleomedia or something?
"You have to research a topic for hours before learning about a thing" is precisely what obscurity is

Like. Obscurity shouldn't be a mark against an animal but like. If Ornimegalonyx of all things isn't decidedly on the side of obscure I don't know what is

[plush nacelle]

Children encyclopedia argument is very funny. I actually spent short time trying to gather data on what could be most generic cenozoic roster using this type of paleomedia lol.

[austere sparrow]

I don't really read childrens encyclopedia's anymore but I certainly don't remember it from them

But I am interested in your data

[plush nacelle]

Mostly books from before JP release to understand what people percieved as popular back then

[late swallow]

sure you don't

[austere sparrow]

? Why would I lie about that lol?

[steep tulip]

Is this really a conversation yall want to have?

[austere sparrow]

Yes actually

Sounds interesting as all hecc

[steep tulip]

🐒

[austere sparrow]

Considering hunting down some childrens encyclopedia on dinosaurs et al to see if any funky new genera rose to fame since I stopped reading them

...Why the monkey emoji? 🤨

[steep tulip]

Why the clown emoji...

[austere sparrow]

We're in a dinosaur server none of us are beating the childish dork accusations

[plush nacelle]

From more unusual ones coryphodon and aepycamelus appears a lot

[austere sparrow]

Wasn't by me, ya dingus
But I wager it's cuz you're acting like a clown

[austere sparrow]

Neat

Coryphodon and Aepycamelus seem like good choices for the. Uintatherium? Equivalent slots

Something that isn't independently famous but still would be worthwhile to see, especially for children

[steep tulip]

🥀

[outer crater]

The roster has always lacked glyptodonts and I'm not sure why

[modern totem]

bro stego solos, how is tiktaalik this hyped

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-griffiths-tiktaalik-tiktaalika-arrival-fish-gif-25984927

[late swallow]

because grandpa

[sharp plinth]

titaalik is sick bro

sometimes he just derpy asf

the cogs just aint turnin

[modern totem]

okay fine

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-griffiths-tiktaalik-tiktaalika-departure-iluminous-gif-25984932

[left spear]

That gif alone already explains it

[late swallow]

me af

[austere sparrow]

Dinosnores just ain't cutting it anymore

We want exciting animals

Like checks notes tadpole

[late swallow]

trilobite

honseshoecrab

[hollow flower]

Im on phone discord what does this say

[modern totem]

its a poll

[hollow flower]

Tiktaalik

[left spear]

24% Stego, 12% Allo, 6% Galli, 6% Ovi, 12% Simo, 0% Yi, 0% Compy, 29% Tiktaalik, 12% Utah.

ah

damm it had it scrolled up

Well since its not on the screenshot 17 votes in total

[lean hound]

I'm really suprised people are more excited for tiktaalik than everything else

[steep tulip]

Clearly a sign that we should get more paleozoic animals in ea

And it's totally not due to the small pool size

Nuh uh

[late swallow]

also it said favourite creatures but only let us pick 1

[hollow flower]

Tiktaalik just has so lovely colours and a nice little face

Also a Paleozoic, not only that its from the bloody Devonian

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-flint-and-steel-gif-4491320584761369279

[modern totem]

same, I thought Stego and Simo would be the winner

[open heron]

TBH for me it's just that it's an animal that does something we haven't really got yet.

Stegosaurus is visually unique but ornithischians of that size range are plentiful.

[late swallow]

Allo absolutely got rect

and im sad

[open heron]

Whereas this is our first aquatic terrarium species and it's such a good pick too.

[steep tulip]

Kinda wish one of the terrarium animals was diplocaulus

Without kinda

[modern totem]

I want Gremlin

[steep tulip]

Suminia is the lizard trust
0.001% chance 99.999% cope idc

[golden canopy]

What terrarium animals do you guys really want in game?

[modern totem]

uh

tbh, I don't really care about terrarium animals 😭

but simosuchus

[wild relic]

My big three, Drepanosaurus, Longisquama and Sharovipteryx

[golden canopy]

Low key I just need to get saber tooth squirrels(scrat)🧊

[mint creek]

Sinosauropteryx my beloved...

[quick ore]

those never existed

also as far as terrarium species go I hope we get some niche picks like Deinogalerix

[hollow furnace]

so many lol

[wild relic]

Buuuut there was a prehistoric mammal that was kinda like that Cronopio dentiacutus

[quick ore]

not a squirrel in the slightest

and was absolutely not the basis for Scrat either, it was discovered after the movie

[wild relic]

Yes we know this but just a lot of articles just saying this is the closest thing to having scrat in real life

[outer crater]

It's a cool mammal unironically

[wild relic]

Indeed it is

[past mist]

Carolina Parakeet, Neocnus, and Drepanosaurus

maybe Hapalops in place of Neocnus

but it was more terrestrial while Neocnus was at least semi arboreal so it would be less fitting for a terrarium

i js want a small sloth

[quick ore]

That's only because that is what the paleontologist who discovered it said. It is a meaningless statement from any scientific POV it's just marketing. It holds as much weight as any other article calling some random dinosaur species a "cousin of T. rex" does.

[wild relic]

Okay jeez

[late swallow]

damn like, let people enjoy cute little things

[quick ore]

I mean, we're talking about which terrarium animals should get added

and it isn't like every single species requested is going to get in

I don't think time should be allocated to add a species that people literally only care about because of a passing resemblance it has to an animated character

that would be like if out of all the dicynodont species out there the one that we got was Bulbasaurus

[late swallow]

mate was just saying he wanted to see it ingame. you don't need to act like you're the final say on everything

[quick ore]

I'm not I just don't think it makes any sense to include

[late swallow]

oh well?

[past mist]

i mean i’d like to have a Mesozoic mammal in game

[late swallow]

Same tbh, and cute Anomalocaris! Would love to see the little bugger in game, too

[austere sparrow]

Bulbasaurus doesn't really resemble Bulbasaur all that much tbf

Also I do feel like it probably makes sense to have a "squirrel/shrew analogue" terrarium animal, and of all of those, Cronopio is probably the least obscure

[outer crater]

Cronopio is epic

[past mist]

thanks, my friend made my pfp, also i agree, Anom would be fun in PK

[late swallow]

I think the whole server would riot if it didn't make it

[austere sparrow]

If we get fully aquatic Terrariums at all, Anomalocaris is probably guaranteed

[late swallow]

I would absolutely love to see Mosura fentoni

[austere sparrow]

I am slightly worried they might give it a silly color scheme but idk

[past mist]

what else would work for mini aquariums

[late swallow]

And Aegirocassis

[late swallow]

Probably not this lol

[past mist]

ig there’s Trilobites, Ammonites, Eurypterids, and some other Radiodonts other than Anomalocaris itself

[austere sparrow]

I mean there's a good handful of other cambrian things and relatives thereof that could work

[past mist]

for freshwater, maybe Megapirhana? idk

[austere sparrow]

And well. Fish.

There's quite a lot of fish options lel

[past mist]

idk too much for small prehistoric fish

[late swallow]

Just like, drop all Cambrian taxa into a hat, draw randomly

[toxic oriole]

Y'know I want to know what "Megapiranha" is

I've seen it in Minecraft mods

[austere sparrow]

Prehistoric fish get fucking whack

[late swallow]

Big pirhana

[austere sparrow]

Do you know Pacus? It's basically that, but prehistoric

[past mist]

oh there’s Coelacanths too for saltwater and freshwater

[toxic oriole]

Two are still with us today anyways

[late swallow]

I never spell that correctly, even if its right in front of me

[austere sparrow]

Falcatus for Mini Aquariums 😤

[late swallow]

Yes, but not from the Genus Coelacanthus

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to Thelodus maybe. Not sure. Probably too big for Mini Aqs.

[toxic oriole]

So these Modern Coelacanths

[late swallow]

Latimeria

[past mist]

i was talking about ancient Coelacanths

[toxic oriole]

Are they descendants of any particular ancient coelacanth species?

Or are they their own thing?

[austere sparrow]

There's some delightful extinct fish

[toxic oriole]

Now I know that Coelacanth fish first appeared in the Devonian Period

Which is around the time Sharks were starting to manifest

[austere sparrow]

They're deep sea fish so most of their evolutionary history is pretty impossible to track

[past mist]

they have to be the descendant of some prehistoric Coelacanth but idk which one it is if scientists even know

the direct ancestors of species are usually very hard to identify

[late swallow]

Libys polypterus and superbus are older, from Solnhofen limestone of the Jurassic

And still within Latimeriidae

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to Megaquarium extinct animal mods. Wonderful way to find out about whacky prehistoric fish and marine inverts

...And I guess marine and semiaquatic reptiles, if you're into that

...Though I guess having to dig up "bland looking" fish species with the usual fossil mechanics would probably get old, fast 🤔

[ancient ibex]

Latimeria is a deep sea coelacanth, yes, but that doesn't mean coelacanths as a whole were deep sea fish

[late swallow]

Swenzia latimerae is recovered as the sister taxom of Latimeria

[ancient ibex]

Latimeria is a weird coelacanth lineage that survived in the deep sea

[late swallow]

Europe, late jurassic

[austere sparrow]

Nobody said they were?

[toxic oriole]

I can see why some people want Mawsonia to come into the game when aquatics are fully coded into PK

[late swallow]

Beeg

[past mist]

i just looked it up and that would be awesome as a freshwater fish for PK

[austere sparrow]

Anyway I do hope we end up getting some mini fish. Even if it probably wouldn't be many, and I could see the devs sticking to slow-moving ones that wouldn't look weird being the sole occupant of an aquarium

[toxic oriole]

I'd like some of those gar fish, specifically the Alligator Gar

Since its possible that the fish may have first appeared in the Cretaceous or something?

[late swallow]

Fuck the alligator gar

[austere sparrow]

Alligator Gar are pretty cool but also extant

[late swallow]

Ugly

[toxic oriole]

... As prey.

Food.

[austere sparrow]

Whoa someone doesn't like Alligator gar lel

[late swallow]

They wig me out a bit

[austere sparrow]

What happened, tried to learn fish fileting with one?

[toxic oriole]

As far as I'm aware, some dinos may have lived with the Alligator Gar and preyed upon it or something

[late swallow]

And they're incredibly stange

[austere sparrow]

Hm. I am really not into the idea of live prey ngl

[toxic oriole]

At least, according to the supposed rumors of a Cretaceous specimen

[late swallow]

Learned on a Bluegill, actually

[past mist]

there also are some ancient freshwater sharks and other big fish like sawfish that could be cool for PK

[austere sparrow]

And alligator gar are heavily armored and quite large fish so they're not the best option anyway

[toxic oriole]

Maybe Onchopristis instead

[austere sparrow]

Yeah that's more sensible

[toxic oriole]

Its funny how I thought it was a Sawfish/Sawshark going off appearance, but its neither of those!

Some sort of... Skate?

Ray?

Onchopristis

That one fish that Spinosaurus may have hunted

[hollow furnace]

It not supposed rumours lol, gar are extremely common cretaceous fossils

[austere sparrow]

Huh. Whack

[toxic oriole]

Thats the thing, I am not entirely sure

[austere sparrow]

I guess that explains why WWD25 was so insistent on calling them "sawskates"

[past mist]

since we’re on the topic of aquatics how would you feel about the marine sloth Thallasoconus

[toxic oriole]

Honestly I wouldn't mind Onchopristis as an aquarium animal or food for the main stars of the show

Either option works

(Main stars as in Spinosaurus)

[austere sparrow]

Thalassocnus would be pretty neat

[toxic oriole]

I don't even know what that izx

[past mist]

im totally obsessed with extinct Sloths and Xenarthrans in general

[austere sparrow]

Marine sloth

[toxic oriole]

Oh goodie, more aquatic mammals!

or semi-aquatic

[past mist]

think a Sloth that filled the niche of a Manatee but also could go on land like Seals

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I do kinda hate the idea of feeding extinct animals with other extinct animals like. I dunno that's ethically silly and monetarily wasteful

[toxic oriole]

Nevermind then, no food

Honestly, some of those PRECAMBRIAN eon species of the Ediacaran could be decoration

Theys like, RIDICULOUSLY small

Eh, theres Precambrian plants anyway (Aquatic plants)

[austere sparrow]

Maybe as part of the good old zoo game tradition of just deciding that sessile animals (and animals that look sessile enough even if they aren't) should count as plants? 🤔

Shoutout to sea stars btw

[toxic oriole]

This is one of those Precambrian species of the Ediacaran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eoandromeda

Probably an ancestor to Comb Jellies

🤷‍♀️

[austere sparrow]

Disgusting

Sucks its extinct, children would get a lot of mileage out of throwing their washed up corpses at their siblings

[toxic oriole]

... Are there actually ANY fossils of Precambrian Ediacaran Jellyfish since people say there were some Jellyfish back then?

Evidence even?

[hollow furnace]

yes, but not what we would typically view as jellyfish

The earliest swimming jellyfish fossils are from the Cambrian

[toxic oriole]

So what were those proto-jellyfish of the Ediacaran and what did they look like?

[hollow furnace]

They looked like weird sessile polyps

[toxic oriole]

Interesting

So Jellyfish were some of the first forms of life to have appeared by then

[hollow furnace]

calling them jellyfish is a stretch but yes, they were some of the first groups of animals still around

There were several others, most of which are (probably) long extinct

[toxic oriole]

Okay then, Proto-jellyfish

[past mist]

ik some of these are very obscure

[vivid field]

1. Stego
2. Allo
3. Tiktaalik
4. Yi qi
5. Galli

[plush nacelle]

Leptictidium and darwinius

[sharp plinth]

Mb

[lean hound]

Diplocaulus, Sinosauropteryx, Didelphodon and alamosaurus

[cosmic cosmos]

Isisfordia

Croc + Australian rep

[ancient ibex]

Dacentrurines gotta be the second stegosaurids to be tackled, and Polacanths would make for great nodosaur rep after Panoplosaurs, but, Struthiosaurus would be a neat choice for a smol ankylosaur that could go hard in a Hatzeg pack of the sorts

[outer moth]

Hatzeg kinda does deserve its own pack for sure

[plush nacelle]

Hatzeg pack is weird, because it requires hatzegopteryx. So either very late in developement or not happening at all in case hatzeg being in flying DLC

[steep tulip]

There could be enough to be its own thing tbh, but I imagine it would sell a lot less without hatze in it

[ancient ibex]

TTBT, Hatzegopteryx is a bit overblown in terms of significance; as is, it is a slighty bulkier giant Azdharchid

Still emblematic, and if flying and 3D swimming animals are added to the game, AFAIR the plan was getting the base framework and a few species in the base game, and then large expansions with a big roster, but, if the game remains profitable and the team is fine with supporting it, content after those expansions may not be ruled out, but still, that's 5 years in the future at the very least

[plush nacelle]

TBH I put my bets on nemegt pack being one of the first DLCs

Saurolophus, Opisthocoelicaudia + nemegtosaur, Tarchia, Theri (if not in U19) and prenocehpale in free update alongside it

[steep tulip]

Hatze is indeed a bunch of scraps (at least rn) but it's in the same situation as barinasuchus, where we know what made it "interesting" or "different" from other members from its group
Also hopefully the other material that I've heard about gets described

[ancient ibex]

The thing is, what we know isn't that different from Quetzalcoatlus or Arambourgiana

[steep tulip]

True, but there's also the whole island content around it too that makes it cool imo
Tho I feel like big theropods were definitely a thing there

[slim flare]

What if it just flew to the island from mainland?

[open heron]

What if it was bound to the island by an ancient curse

[steep tulip]

I mean would it change something really? It probably was already just flying around between landmasses

[ancient ibex]

Hatzegopteryx is cool indeed

[hollow furnace]

I mean, it's pretty significantly bulkier, especially if you accept the referred cervical as being from Hatego

[steep tulip]

I think settling down on the island also isn't too far fetched to think about when everything is considerably smaller than the mainland

[plush nacelle]

Whats the biggest animal hatzeg could reliably hunt

[ancient ibex]

It is pretty much a bittern versus the traditional heron-esque build of quetzalcoatlines

Heavier duty neck

[slim flare]

*fluffier

[steep tulip]

Hard to say because we lack material
But I imagine they would go always for smaller stuff
Like big dog sized, killing something as big as magyarosaurus would require a lot of energy to hunt and a lot of energy to tear down without teeth

But maybe they had crazy beaks and we don't know lol

[slim flare]

Pelagornis beak…

[hollow flower]

And bitterns are goated

Therefore Hatz is also goated

[ancient ibex]

I believe bitterns have heavier necks than average for herons, not just fluffier, but finding skeletons is proving to be harder than expected

[slim flare]

You know what you must do

[ancient ibex]

Raid the local natural history museum down the street, of course

[slim flare]

If you’re a coward

[sharp dock]

I hope they add this obscure genus to PK: Stupidia

[outer moth]

I only found a fly with that genus name

[austere sparrow]

I do kinda hope if they add Hatze that they'll expand the theme to "(Late) Cretaceous Europe" instead of sticking to just Hateg because like. As conceptually funky as Balaur and Bradycneme are, I feel like we should at least stick to animals we can semi-confidently cladisticly assign, and like.
I do like Tethyshadros, Zalmoxes, Magyarosaurus, Struthiosaurus and Hatzegopteryx but like. I dunno I feel like we could maybe expand that pool a little lol

[modern totem]

real

[steep tulip]

Tbh what does last cretaceous europe have

Ampelosaurus

Uhh

[austere sparrow]

Assuming they stick to eight animals in an expansion (which is what the only expansion pack we know of had, but like, that was also before we settled on the current alt system) Hateg just plain doesn't have enough

Rhabdodon was late Cretaceous, I believe? But I guess it and Zalmoxes would probably be alts of each other anyway realistically speaking

[plush nacelle]

Back then PK animals were also lower quality

[austere sparrow]

True...

I mean. If marine animals are possible by then, too, I assume there's probably gonna be something worthwhile there xP

And I guess Tarascosaurus, Allodaposuchus and Gargantuavis exist, even though none of them have particularly great fossils from what I remember

Not sure how worthwhile Tarascosaurus would be if we like. Had a normal Abelisaur we could apply ontogeny to by then, also

[ancient ibex]

lol Gargantuavis

[austere sparrow]

Damn. Might as well just expand it to all of Cretaceous Europe at this point

[ancient ibex]

Hatzeg is literally the best sample of Campano-Maastrichian Europe

Allodaposuchus is literally "generic crocodilian"

Gargantuavis may be the same thing as Balaur

Rhabdodonts are in hatzeg

[austere sparrow]

You just watch, Erior. We will find the rest of Gargantuavis and it'll be great and will totally not just turn out to be some stupid slow moving Ornithomimid who only looks like that because of convergent evolution

[ancient ibex]

early diverging hadrosaurs are in hatzeg

struthiosaurs are in hatzeg

dwarf titanosaurs are in hatzeg

[austere sparrow]

Is there more Struthiosaurs than just Struthiosaurus in Hatzeg?

[ancient ibex]

fragmentary putative abelisaurs and unenlagians are not worth it

[ancient ibex]

Do they bring anything to the table?

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, did say you'd only have to go dig through them if... I mean scroll up and read if you want to, I guess

You were the one who brought them up

[ancient ibex]

You were the one who went "gotta go beyond Hatzeg for glupshittos"

[austere sparrow]

Only if Expansions are still shooting for 8 species inclusions lmao

Learn to read

If it's four or five now, then yes, Hatzeg can hold an expansion solo

Although I guess Ampelosaurus is closer to famous status than most of the Hateg genera if media appearances are any indication

[plush nacelle]

Hateg pack really needs Hatzegopteryx

[austere sparrow]

Damn, I sure wonder which genus started the Hatzeg pack discussion 😔

[plush nacelle]

Looking up - struthiosaurus

[ancient ibex]

To read what, your headcanons?

You keep being hostile to everybody

[toxic oriole]

As far as I know, Hatzegopteryx had Island Gigantism, the opposite effect to Island Dwarfism

[austere sparrow]

Looking through other late cretaceous European taxa now, to see if. Literally anything else worthwhile was around. Bakonydraco seems okay enough, and it's another Pterosaur, so. That's something? I guess? Hatzeg itself might have better smaller Pterosaurs anyway though.

[ancient ibex]

Not quite, island gigantism/dwarfism is often correlated with being isolated in islands, and the Hatzeg azdharchids follow the general dynamic of other azdharchids in terms of size (namely, big/small species niche partitioning)

Hatzegopteryx is an animal with a bulkier head and neck than other giant azdharchids, but flight-wise it'd be about the same deal

[austere sparrow]

The context of the discussion you're barging in on.

[toxic oriole]

I blame Wikipedia for saying that Hatzegopteryx had Island Gigantism

At least, somewhere

[ancient ibex]

Blame overeager editors lol

[modern totem]

Hatzeg probably got that big because of his prey items

[austere sparrow]

...How does 'my headcanons' even make sense as something to write in this context 😂

[toxic oriole]

Dwarf Sauropods, Dwarf Hadrosaurs...

[ancient ibex]

Hatzeg was on the same ballpark as Quetzalcoatlus and Arambourgiana

[modern totem]

and no competition at all

[ancient ibex]

HOWEVER, it was likely eating larger prey

[toxic oriole]

Okay I want an actual example of Island Gigantism as opposed to Island Dwarfism

[austere sparrow]

The various Island tortoises we have might be examples

Though there were a couple huge mainland tortoises, too

Actually, the main one I am thinking of was from India, so I guess it could have predated the subcontinent crashing into Asia? Lemme try to check

[ancient ibex]

Deinogalerix

Nuralagus

[toxic oriole]

Wait the Rabbit King actually got that large because of that phenomenon?

I didn't even know that

[austere sparrow]

Okay the turtles name is Megalochelys, and it lived during the Miocene, and apparently India was part of the mainland by then

[ancient ibex]

Dodos as well

Dodos are giant neotenic pigeons

Giant swans as well

[toxic oriole]

I take it Palaeloxodon is the Island Dwarfism member of that genus

Or are they just that small?

[ancient ibex]

yeah, falconeri

[austere sparrow]

Island Gigantism examples are sadly usually less impressive in size charts than Island dwarfism. Like, Nuralagus is pretty hefty, but we've bred bigger breeds of Domestic Rabbit after it's gone extinct, I believe

[ancient ibex]

Paleoloxodon may go really hard

[toxic oriole]

So uhhhh, whats the case with Namadicus anyway?
Island Gigantism? Or is it just that large?

[ancient ibex]

It got that large

[toxic oriole]

Fair enough

[austere sparrow]

I'd love all size ranges of Palaeoloxodon but I do feel like the smallest and largest species won't really work as conventional alts of each other

Namadicus was mainland, yeah

[toxic oriole]

I take it those said Domestic Rabbits couldnt even hop just like The Rabbit King or something

[plush nacelle]

If only namadicus was that big

And not 13t using remains we have

[open heron]

the conceptually funky Bradycneme.

[austere sparrow]

Haven't ever seen them in motion

[toxic oriole]

I mean I have seen video examples of "Flemish Giant Rabbits" in action

It seems like they can hop to me

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, conceptually funky! If it does indeed turn out to be an island giant Alvarezsaur or bird or whatever

[austere sparrow]

That's the one! If they can hop they can hop

[toxic oriole]

And yet Nuralagus supposedly CANT hop

I keep forgetting the name, but I know Nuralagus co-existed with another animal that was an Artiodactyl or something, or was it a Goat? Deer? I forgot really

[austere sparrow]

P.namadicus got shrunk? Dang. All the more reason to hope for P.antiquus in an alt slot I guess

...Myotragus...?

The one with the forward-facing eyes?

Yes yes, says this one is from Mallorca

Where was the Spoon deer from, again? I remember one of these islands had a spoon deer that may or may not be an island dwarf Megaloceros

[plush nacelle]

Namadicus whole size thing comes from femur no one know where it is. Basically trust me bro situation mammal fans wont let go, because 22t elephant bigger than any non-sauropod.

[austere sparrow]

Damn oof

Looks like Paraceratherium never deserved losing that crown, huh

[toxic oriole]

Speaking of Nuralagus Rex
Y'know what, I'll take prehistoric rabbit in PK

[plush nacelle]

In fact antiquus is about the same size. It is more robust, while namadicus is slightly taller

[toxic oriole]

Is Antiquus more complete?

[austere sparrow]

I would still take both, if I was the one making the choice. Which I'm not. Which is probably for the better.

[plush nacelle]

Antiquus is the palaeoloxodon.

[austere sparrow]

Pretty sure P.antiquus was incredibly complete...?

[toxic oriole]

So the question remains...
One or the other?

[plush nacelle]

Antiquus is found all over the place in Europe

[austere sparrow]

I mean with alts we can have both, and without the size I would prefer P.antiquus honestly (have a soft spot for it), but without the size I'm not even sure we'd be getting the genus at all lol 🙃

[low bridge]

Complete skeleton was found in Poland dude

[austere sparrow]

...Although P.falconeri still exists so. That's something

[toxic oriole]

Island Dwarfism member of Palaeoloxodon

I can see why people want that one

Fun sized proboscidean

[low bridge]

Smoll

[austere sparrow]

It also had the PR boost of being in ZT2

[low bridge]

Elephant

[open heron]

Sicilian Elephants are dope, defo got a good chance of appearing regardless.

[austere sparrow]

Oh yeah, they have a common name, I forgor :V

[toxic oriole]

I can tell since modern elephants are still around

Specifically the uhhhh

African Elephant I think?

[austere sparrow]

P.antiquus does too. Straight-tusked elephant, I believe? Whacky in a world where Mastodonts exist

[open heron]

The ZT2 PR boost probably isn't that much of a factor, since the fanbase isn't as big as PZ or as culty as JPOG, but it's still nice to have.

[low bridge]

Palaeoloxodon Recki is good? Or it SUCK??

[austere sparrow]

Why P.recki in particular?

Is it in a museum near you?

[open heron]

Bearing in mind they're unlikely to do a 100% completion run of the ZT2 roster solely because of Metridiochoerus and Protarchaeopteryx existing. So IDK if they'll aim for ZT2 stuff specifically.

[plucky mantle]

ZT1's roster would be a lot easier to implement in full

Especially when so much of it is already in the game.

[toxic oriole]

So this is the entirety of Palaeoloxodon

Oh I can see why ya want recki, oldest of them all

And ancestor of all later ones or something

[open heron]

Basically every animal that game has except for like... Camptosaurus and Meiolania is a shoe-in for these kinds of games, and even those two have a lot of merit so are still certainly plausible.

Caudipteryx is a bit weird because it skirts the line between mini and exhibit given its height compared to its length but.

(small enough to be a mini but tall enough to be a full exhibit species)

[austere sparrow]

I definitely do think having one of those fowl-like Oviraptorosaurs is worthwhile. Probably Avimimus for being slightly bigger, or Incisivosaurus for being the most interesting looking - and, well. Prehistoric Park.

But yeaaah I doubt they'd bother completing the ZT2 roster considering Gigantopithecus is currently confirmed to not be coming

[low bridge]

What you about African Mammoth?

[plucky mantle]

Already in:
Ankylosaurus
Triceratops
Tyrannosaurus
Iguanodon
Styracosaurus
Apatosaurus
Plateosaurus
Lambeosaurus
Gallimimus
Stegosaurus
Spinosaurus
Velociraptor
Allosaurus
Coelophysis
Coelodonta
Mammuthus
Smilodon

Not yet in:
Megatherium
Machrauchenia
Kentrosaurus
Herrerasaurus
Caudipteryx
Meiolania
Deinosuchus
Plesiosaurus

[ancient ibex]

Mmm

[austere sparrow]

I honestly doubt they'd even bother finishing up JPOG with Corythosaurus as the only animal left out (and I guess Ceratosaurus but that one is basically soft confirmed)

[toxic oriole]

What?

[plucky mantle]

Herrera, Megatherium, Deinosuchus, and Meiolania are obvious inclusions one day, Caudipteryx, Machrauchenia, and Kentro would all be really solid inclusions, and that just leaves Plesio which is basically just reliant on aquatics being a thing.

[open heron]

Homalocephale's probably a bigger issue than Cory because Cory's an easy DLC pick.

[austere sparrow]

...Oh rip I completely forgot Homalocephale oops

[plucky mantle]

Homalo would make perfect sense as a Preno alt lbh

[austere sparrow]

Definitely still borderline. Feel like it's big enough though. Guess I wouldn't mind them in a mini exhibit either, tho.

[open heron]

Cory is like right up there with Giga and Shant in the "this would be so easy to make relatively, and sell like hot cakes too, make it a dlc animal!" gang.

(ideally spread out into different DLC packs alongside more interesting but less selling species rather than sold together tho lol)

[low bridge]

Im backing for a while to mammals i need to say that we need Hadar Formation content in Prehistoric Kingdom