Community Species Suggestions

[late swallow]

I just don't personally find the study of Cenozoic fauna to be as interesting. I will, however, yield that it is an incredibly important field, especially as it pertains to climatology

[austere sparrow]

Damn

Are you perchance a Wikipedia editor

[late swallow]

No

Merely a peruser

[low bridge]

Grassland dwelling bovid like "Syncerus Antiqqus" should be good

[late swallow]

Trying to find better places to crawl for paleontologic writings

[austere sparrow]

You already suggested that one twice today

[austere sparrow]

I mean Google scholar is kiiiind of that

[late swallow]

Oh it's that fucker

I see the horns causing game-related issues, depending on collision and pathing

[austere sparrow]

If they make Bison latifrons work I wouldn't mind them copypasting that system for a functionally near identical Bos species

Damn tho. Considering Bison and Aurochs are at least being considered I somehow doubt we'll get a third Bovine

Bovid?

Cow

[late swallow]

Bovine is correct

I believe B. primigenius is all but confirmed

[austere sparrow]

Maybe Syncerus will be the Bison latifrons alt species tho 🤔

[late swallow]

But I doubt we'll go deeper than that, certainly not subspecific

B. p. primigenius, for example

[austere sparrow]

I could see a mammoth like situation happening

Where they're not officially subspecies, but they're subspecies

[late swallow]

Yeah

[steep tulip]

I would love a lot of mammals to be in the game, but I already know half of those not gonna be in it unfortunately

[late swallow]

To not include Megatherium is to miss a massive piece of Cenozoic paleofauna

[austere sparrow]

Megatherium is one of those few Mammalian no-brainer additions

[late swallow]

We need so much more SH representation

What do we have, like, 5?

[austere sparrow]

...Full list would be Eohippus (or similar), Basilosaurus, Megatherium, Glyptodon or Doedicurus, Macrauchenia, the Thylacine... And that's already it more or less lol.

SH?

[austere sparrow]

What does SH mean?

[late swallow]

Southern Hemisphere

[austere sparrow]

Oh damn 💀

Yeah that's pretty dire isn't it 💀

...Most African stuff is from the North Hemisphere still, isn't it?

[late swallow]

2 from South America, 2 from Aussie, ourano in Niger

[austere sparrow]

Ah Ourano yeah

Damn

[late swallow]

Idk if any of the Chinese stuff is sout of the equator

[austere sparrow]

...I don't think China extends south of the equator?

[late swallow]

I could not remember

It does not

So yes, we only have five of 60? Species from the southern hemi

[austere sparrow]

Yeah mainland asia doesn't dip below the Equator

[late swallow]

Standard NH bias

[austere sparrow]

Lol, definitely so

[late swallow]

That's not even a dig at the devs tbh

[austere sparrow]

I guess tbf some of these animals might've been Southern Hemisphere back when they were alive, tho? squints

It is a bit hard to keep a healthy amount of SH animals in Prehistory projects, especially if you value popularity over animals being actually interesting

[late swallow]

Bad news

[austere sparrow]

Personally I am of the opinion that PK should try to add at least one animal for every non-micronation country and every island group

If only to pander to the rare like. Ugandan or Indonesian or whatever who might pick the game up

...Guess that's pretty unreasonable to ask for without mini-exhibits tho

[late swallow]

I'm not even asking for that level of granularity- just give us formations in different sectors of the 4 continents, an Antarctic or two, and I'm not gonna be upset

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, I am not gonna be upset either; I tried to make a "1 extinct animal for every country" list once and went mildly insane for an afternoon

Pretty much only works if you include some glubshittos with stupid wide distribution, like say, Hippidion, and even then you'd probably have to actually find species or populations that correspond to the right areas

And some places straight up only have shit like ammonites

[late swallow]

Yeah you really only get the cosmos and Nomen dubia

[flint sable]

Paleostream

[late swallow]

Mvp

I'm more looking for just raw reading, but this could be a decent jump-off

[flint sable]

theres a channel dedicated to just posting scientific papers

with seperate pings for the different subjects of the papers

[junior wasp]

We are not prototaxites, we are cinnamon ferns, and cinnamon ferns are

[austere sparrow]

Google Maps uses Mercator 🤢
Had to go fix that real quick, but anyway.
I think it makes sense to add;

• Eastern North America (East Coast, basically) (?)
• "Central America" (?)
• Northwestern South America (Colombia, Venezuela, that vague region, anything to the North that isn't Brazil) (?)
• Brazil (Though I guess they're getting something once fliers come anyway so might as well not bother for now)
• Lower Center SouAm (Bolivia, Paraguay, maybe Peru) (If Megatherium gets included, this is covered)
• Scandinavia/Northwest Russia (Honorarily already covered by Mammoths so skippable until Stellars Sea Cow becomes viable)
• Arabian Peninsula (?)
• Northwestern Africa (If Basilosaurus makes it in this'll be covered)
• Central Africa (Tendaguru?)
• Southern Africa (Karoo?)
• Maaaaaaybe western Australia? (?)
• Ideally multiple things in Southeast Asia
• New Guinea (?)
• New Zealand (Moa)
• Hawaii (?)
• (Antarctica (nobody lives there so like, who cares, but I guess Cryolophosaurus is requested every so often))
  Questionmarks for areas that don't have any animals that were prior considered (as far as we know). Usually, there's at least some Mini-exhibit suited recently extinct animals there. Formation + Questionmark is for when there's a high quality formation I can remember off the top of my head with reasonably famous animals in the area.
  All not mentioned areas have ingame rep already (or were lumped into an area that has ingame rep already or was otherwise mentioned by me). And yes I am aware some of these are really awkward fits and in practice this'd be a lot more vibes-based

(Follow up to the "sectors of the continents" talk)

Oh wait I should probably include the roadmap-announced animals! Bye bye Madagascar, welcome to the "ingame already" club

Deinosuchus could cover the East Coast, depending on what digsites the devs go for. 🤔

Yeah, this is way more reasonable than that silly "Every country gets a fossil" list

[dusky obsidian]

do we have any confirmed animals coming to the game (except the gallimimus and the ones shown on the trello)

[austere sparrow]

I believe Utahraptor was officially confirmed but hasn't made it to the Trello yet

[dusky obsidian]

lessgo

utahraptor my beloved

[waxen grail]

Aren’t Allosaurus and Stegosaurus also confirmed but not on the roadmap?

[austere sparrow]

Oh yeah!

Forgot they weren't added there yet

[dusky obsidian]

oh yea forgot oviraptor was also apart of the next update

it would make sense for baryonix to be apart of the wetland update

baryonyx*

[austere sparrow]

The devs might have confirmed Baryonyx for it? But I only heard that secondhand so not sure. We also have a grainy-ass "Upcoming animals" picture that appears to include it there

[dusky obsidian]

ah

so

after the official release

we will be getting more animals but we have to pay for the dlc´s like in jwe?

[late swallow]

NW Africa already handled - S. aegypticus and C. saharicus

[flint sable]

if I recall correctly

a mix of paid DLC and free stuff

could be wrong

[late swallow]

the same dinosaurs in the Kem Kem beds were mostly found in the Bahariya formation of Cenomanian western Egypt

Wow can't fuckin type

[glass snow]

yes paid animals and free animals

at least from what we know

[lean hound]

Allosaurus, Stegosaurus, Baryonyx, Utahraptor and Dimetrodon (after early access)

There's probably a couple more

[hollow furnace]

Baryonyx is confirmed, yeah

[steep crane]

Carnotaurus might be in U19.

[feral cedar]

Dimetrodon being "after EA" doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be DLC right

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Just that it's going post ea

Wouldn't be surprised if we get like a couple famous permian species for free together with dlcs

As long game does well at least

[hollow furnace]

nope, there'll be both free and DLC animals post EA

[feral cedar]

fun

$60 DLC. One animal

Cotylorhynchus

it's like just the one animal, not even with three skins

just

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[brave pier]

damn thats a steal

[quick ore]

omg I just realized

if Coty does come to the game

we'll see baby Cotylorhynchus

[feral cedar]

Cotylorhynchus will make PK a cotyllion dollars 🗣️

[quick ore]

I feel like what makes Coty go beyond the meme is that it would be a genuinely good animal to choose

like not only is it unique and representative of the weirdness of non mammalian synapsids

[steep tulip]

Yeah
Its cool and possibly semi aquatic

[quick ore]

it is also known from nearly complete remains (I forget if they are literally complete)

[steep tulip]

And lived in a good formation

[hollow furnace]

they pretty much are

But yeah, Coty is legit an excellent choice for a paleozoic animal

[feral cedar]

yeah tbh

it's funny to joke about how weird coty looks but in the grand scheme of things it's one of the most unique synapsids we've found

[outer moth]

That and Jonkeria

Like wtf is this even supposed to be

[feral cedar]

Jonkeria is the name equivalent of Cotylorhynchus' anatomy

Jonkeria

what even is that

reminds me of the Scandinavian clown meme

[outer moth]

Jonkleria

[feral cedar]

YES THAT TOO

Like I know Jonkeria is a weird titanosuchid and that's great but

I can't say the name out loud without at least cracking a smile

[quick ore]

Jonkeria would also be an amazing addition

I sincerely hope that the Permian isn't neglected in the future of the roster. Like I understand that not much else besides carboniferous arthropods and some other paleozoic species as mini animals are likely additions but there's legitimately so much you can pull from the Permian that would make for great inclusions as full blown exhibit animals

same with non-dinosaur species from the Triassic

[steep tulip]

For the latter it seems devs were definitely looking forward to add them considered both posto and placerias/lisowicia were in the old post ea list
Tho I do hope they won't stop there

[quick ore]

what is known to be coming from the permian so far? Just Dimetrodon?

[steep tulip]

Dimetrodon and a permian animal in ea

[quick ore]

I assume Dimetrodon can come with a couple of its disparate alt species

[quick ore]

permian mini animal or?

[steep tulip]

Maybe?

Like if its a permian it's the lizard

Because that's the only one it can be

[plush nacelle]

Permian animal is most likely dead

[steep tulip]

Or maybe the fuzzy triassic animal is thrinaxodon and they consider it permian too

[plush nacelle]

Or thrinaxodon

[steep tulip]

But diictodon was supposed to be the permian animal initially

Pretty sure of it

[quick ore]

i wonder if simosuchus replaced it

i hope it gets added later

[steep tulip]

Simo was already there

At least it seems

Could have been replaced by tiktaalik too since its also paleozoic

[hollow furnace]

I think we'll probably have a healthy permian roster, probably not anything huge but a healthy mix

[quick ore]

I think a Permian dlc would be a good idea, there's absolutely enough there and plently of species that would sell well

especially if they had a species like Anteosaurus or Inostrancevia headline it

[hollow furnace]

yeah, I'd be shocked if we don't get one

[austere sparrow]

💀 Meant to write Northeast africa.
And yeah I guess their range extends there, should that count? :/

[steep crane]

There are better choices for a recently extinct DLC than Equus, it’s an unpopular take but I stand by it.

[late swallow]

Yeah, Bahariya. They're both found there as well. In fact, they were both found ther on the same excursion by Stromer

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Feel like that shouldn't count on account of "that's not the formation that is used ingame" but idk

[steep crane]

Does anybody know the exact quote regarding the devs hinting at Equus?

[steep crane]

Gotcha.

[outer crater]

Wild horses are extinct?

[hollow furnace]

yes

[late swallow]

have been for a couple thousand years

[austere sparrow]

There's one type of wild horse that's not extinct (barely) but that's not the horse that got domesticated

[steep crane]

The Przewalski’s Horse is the last truly wild horse.

It’s part of the same species that was ancestral to wild horses but a different subspecies than the actual ancestral population.

[outer crater]

They could also have an extinct ass to go with the extinct zebra and wild horse

[plain knoll]

they should add rats🐀

[woven hollow]

Tarpan survived through to the 1800s, and were genetically distinct from the population that gave rise to domestic horses.

[steep crane]

Iirc Tarpan may have just been feral horses.

[hollow furnace]

Tarpans were a hybrid population of feral and true wild horses

[slim flare]

Bruh

[slim flare]

Source?

[flint sable]

by the 1800s tarpan were almost certainly almost entirely domesticated feral horse in genetics

[left spear]

There's a photo iirc

[quick ore]

it's crazy how dromedary camels, aurochs, and horses (to an extent) are survived only by their domesticated counterparts

[left spear]

Tho that may have been a Tarpan/domestic horse hybrid

[tough marsh]

I missed Permian discussion but in General one Biarmosuchian, one Geikied, 3 Dinocephalians, and a varanopid

[left spear]

Yeah idk it may be bs, but i have a memory of there being a photo of one or hybrid from the late 1800s in i think tibet

[left spear]

got it

1884, russian empire

Oh presunt tarpan

hmm its dubius

Tho taking into account that one was seen in Ukraine out of all places in 1879 i think its quite possible

The Moscow zoo also housed tarpans up until 1875 so its by no means impossible

[slim flare]

Photo of being genetically distinct?

[left spear]

Ah i misread, but this a steppe tarpan which in general were less hybridized that forest tarpans

[slim flare]

Please stop pulling stuff out of your arse

Tarpan is a meaningless word

[late swallow]

edited
still contains typo

Kek

[slim flare]

No one knows what they were, although it probably referred to feral, wild and feral x domestic hybrids, but it’s just not useful to even discuss. Wild horse survive as Przewalski’s horse and nothing else.

[left spear]

Nobody is saying otherwise?

[slim flare]

I mean this is just completely made up

[left spear]

eh no?

[slim flare]

Sammeh here said they’re genetically distinct

Which is likely also just made up

[left spear]

forets tarpans literally were completely assimilated into konik horses

[slim flare]

Omg

[left spear]

Steppe tarpans probably just dies

[slim flare]

There’s no such thing as a steppe or forest tarpan

[left spear]

not species yes

but different populations

[slim flare]

No

There literally isn’t

[slim flare]

No, they weren’t. Konik are regular domestic horses

[hollow furnace]

Tarpans are a genetically distinct hybrid population of native european wild horses and domesticated horses: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8550961/#Sec6

[slim flare]

Thank you, a source

That’s fair and fits previous evidence

[late swallow]

To follow here:
It is debated if the small, free-roaming horses seen in the Russian steppes during 18th and 19th centuries and called "tarpan" were indeed wild, never-domesticated horses, hybrids of the Przewalski's horse and local domestic animals, or simply feral horses
Castelli, Andrea (2016). "Don't Call Me Tarpan". The Official PLOS Blog (published May 24, 2016).

[left spear]

Okay its that the spanish wiki as always is bs, read it english and Koniks were bred with other wild horse-Domestic horse hybrids

So yes pretty negligeble percentatge of actual wild horse

[slim flare]

Still, no

Regular arse domestic horses

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2351989421004613

[late swallow]

Konik are literally just little Polski ponies

[slim flare]

In this review, we scrutinized both contemporary research and historical sources and suggest that the Tarpan and the Konik as its direct descendent are manmade myths that hinder effective conservation management. We did not find evidence that the Tarpan was a wild horse rather than a feral horse. We did not find any evidence either for a closer connection between the Konik and any extinct wild horse than between other domestic breeds and wild horses.

[late swallow]

Just a honse that got loose and fornicated

[slim flare]

Got loose?

[late swallow]

Feral

[slim flare]

Barely

Wikipedia says some populations are semi-feral

Overall, I highly recommend not using term “tarpan,” it’s just a loaded with no clear definition. Just use feral, wild or feral x wild hybrid instead.

[late swallow]

Article you linked stated

[slim flare]

I meant Konik

[late swallow]

Ah yeah I'm with you therw

My brain just jumps sometimes

Thank you for the history lesson on the fingerleg weirdos, Mr. White

[slim flare]

No problem, Jesse

[feral cedar]

I know it ultimately doesn't really matter to the developers but it's definitely going to be a bit distracting that the recently-extinct animals DLC will have extinct SUBspecies whereas almost everything else in-game is extinct species

I'm curious though, what other animals could be good additions aside from the obvious dodo/moa/thylacine/aurochs quartet everyone knows and loves

[waxen grail]

Does Megalania (Varanus priscus) count as recently extinct?

[feral cedar]

Even if it did I have a feeling it'd be used to push a Pleistocene Australia DLC

[slim flare]

No

[waxen grail]

Ok

[slim flare]

It’s not even a historical extinction like woolly mammoth

[feral cedar]

Have the devs talked about how many slots they'd give their DLCs

[slim flare]

No

[feral cedar]

Like for instance while we technically have 9 species of sauropodomorphs, we in reality have five 'slots' because of the way alt species and alt genera are handled

[slim flare]

Yes

[feral cedar]

so depending on how many slots they'd give their DLCs, that could inform suggestions

It also makes me wonder if terrarium critters technically 'count' since they don't require as much work

only one skin and no ontogeny helps

[flint sable]

I would imagine they still count

[slim flare]

Literally 0 reason to even speculate on it

The devs probably don’t even know and it’ll just be how the cards land

[feral cedar]

I see

See, all I want is for it to NOT be like JWE

[slim flare]

So far so good

[feral cedar]

Frontier fr worked on a five-dino DLC once (Dr. Wu hybrids) and decided never again

[slim flare]

Troodon was the only thing worth it anyway

[feral cedar]

hey didn’t the Troodon neotype paper kill Stenon

Cause like

I remember reading it when it first came out

iirc it said Stenonychosaurus had an undiagnostic holotype

[quick ore]

I mean the teaser image showed just that with the Quagga and other species but I can name quite a few that would be good additions imo

[late swallow]

And you're hard pressed to find someone who actually gives a shit about stegoceratips

[quick ore]

wait question

what is the timeframe for "recently extinct"

does it just have to be a species that died within human history and not prehistory?

[waxen grail]

Don’t think ICZN has accepted the neotype.
Also that paper seems to be the only indication of Stenonychosaurus having an undiagnostic holotype I can find. I don’t think they’re lying but the original paper doesn’t seem to be available online. It’s also peer reviewed so it’s probably fine.
Yes I’m just complaining about the paper describing Stenonychosaurus not being available to the general public.

[quick ore]

-Cylindraspis
-Aptornis
-Malagasy Hippopotamus species
-Dusicyon
-Cnemiornis

these all feel reasonably recent enough to include

oh and Archaeolemur

[slim flare]

Pretty much yes

Troodon / Stenonychosaurus currently have no valid name

Same with Othnielia / Nanosaurus

Weird time to be alive

[slim flare]

It was published in 1932

[waxen grail]

I still want to read it

[slim flare]

Extinct since the year 1500 CE

[waxen grail]

Even though there’s realistically little chance of that being possible.

[feral cedar]

Okay but there’s a whole ass bonebed of troodontids from Two Medicine, that sounds pretty diagnostic

[quick ore]

oh then that's a lot

[slim flare]

So?

[feral cedar]

If the neotype petition is denied, would it get its own genus

[slim flare]

Unless someone finds diagnostic features on the Stenonychosaurus holotype

[feral cedar]

Paralitroodon

[slim flare]

Yes a new genus is needed

[feral cedar]

Troodontosaurus

[waxen grail]

Well Stenonychosaurus has quite a few bones in the holotype, but it’s weathered so it’s not entirely diagnostic.

Yes, add another synonym to whatever ends up being chosen

[feral cedar]

I honestly think it’s just easier to bring Troodon back

[waxen grail]

I prefer Stenonychosaurus

[feral cedar]

Or else it’ll be like Nanotyrannus, someone will constantly try to resurrect it all the time

[slim flare]

“Easier”

[slim flare]

This has nothing to do with the Nanotyrannus situation

[waxen grail]

It’s also easier to lump all similar genera of Dinosaurs together

[dusky obsidian]

do we know the release date for update 15

[lean hound]

No

This channel isn't really the place to ask that but all we know is it's releasing in august with a ptb in late july

[steep tulip]

Delacourt giant gecko as an arboreal mini

[left spear]

Honestly calling It Gigarcanum is probably more recognizable

[steep tulip]

True but I always forget it for some reason lol

[low bridge]

La Brea basic animal pack:
Glyptotherium
Camelops
Shasta Ground Sloth
Aenocyon

[austere sparrow]

I don't think that would be easier actually 😔 Imagine instead of saying Tyrannosaurus rex you have to say Scrotum megalosaurus carnosaurus tetanurus manospondylus rex

[wary nacelle]

South Islamd Giant Moa (Dinornis robustus)
Reasons I think this guy could be cool:

• Females are larger than males, crazy!
• “what about elephant birds they’re larger” larger does not always mean better, that doesn’t mean we couldn’t see an elephant bird.
• New Zealand animal, not a lot of them.
• Really cool guys

[austere sparrow]

La Brea basic pack when La Brea advanced pack walks in

[steep crane]

Now that I think of it, it’s entirely possible Mau was joking about the Quagga.

[silver steeple]

Rather unlikely tbh

[hollow furnace]

It's...not really all that possible

[steep tulip]

I think you will have to accept that we will most likely get a horse and a zebra in the game

[late swallow]

It would be a win for people making like 4H fairs

But zebras are certainly not the animals I faff over when at the zoo, moreso 'sure, people are blocking the Gorilla and Giraffe exhibits, may as well look at these black horses with white stripes

[waxen grail]

There isn’t another horse in the game so I’m not sure why that’s problematic. Yes they look mostly like modern animals but it’s nice to have an animal that could be alive today in a prehistoric park builder, especially considering they usually aren’t included aside from one live prey item. The cave bear and two species in Panthera are in the game, despite both their genera being extant.

[late swallow]

I don't have an issue personally, I can see people causing a fuss because "that slot could have gone to something cooler" but at end of the day it's just an animal in a park game

[steep tulip]

I think they are a neat filler species, like it could go very well together with other animals

[waxen grail]

Honestly at least they’re actually extinct animals as opposed to just randomly adding a modern animal as food. There are more interesting animals they could add, but animals that look modern are rare in the game so it’s nice to have something familiar but still extinct.

[silver steeple]

I still don't see why people are so uppity about slots, it's not like we have some predetermined fixed amount of animals that the game hits and then can't have any more or something

[low bridge]

Menoceras should be in the game,change my mind

Two horned elasmotheriine very social small rhinoceros should be great in Prehistoric Kingdom

[austere sparrow]

The only hiccup for Quagga and wild horse I see is that some extinct smaller horse (like Hippidion I guess) would fill the role a horse would be forced into better - namely, a starter animal people don't care too much about. Such other horses would also have more skin options.
Though I guess they could also coexist - basal horse as the easy starter horse, and Quagga et al as the "advanced" horse that has slightly harder care requirements.

Tho I feel like that might end up being similar in vibes to calling Nasutoceratops the advanced version of Protoceratops. x)

[steep tulip]

They add quagga but only as a taxidermy

[austere sparrow]

They add quagga but only as an in-game store mascot

[steep tulip]

And you place them inside other animals enclosures

[slim flare]

Psittacosaurus -> Protoceratops -> Nasutoceratops -> Styracosaurus -> Pachyrhinosaurus -> Triceratops

[late swallow]

there is no "predetermined fixed amount of animals" but at the end of the day, there has to be a reasonable stopping point. you can't just keep throwing animals into the game without development [see the dev time for Gallimimus] and taking that into consideration when contemplating animals that you want to see isn't a bad thing, contrarily, its smart.

[silver steeple]

I am aware of that

However at the same time, what is considered "reasonable" is pretty much unknown to us

And is also entirely dependent on PK's sales success

[flint sable]

not to be rude but I think you may be coping

[sharp dock]

Kelenken is love

Kelenken is life

[austere sparrow]

Ask Kelenken out
Become Kelenkens wife

[sharp sable]

Can I be a therizinosaurus?

On the wedding?

My suit

[austere sparrow]

How does one become a Therizinosaurus?

I guess you can wear a fursuit to a wedding if the couple agrees, if that's what you're asking

[sharp sable]

I just do

[sharp sable]

I just do sir

[steep crane]

A wild horse that isn’t even a wild horse is a waste of a slot. Idc if that triggers people.

[hollow furnace]

It's not a waste of a slot because it's a slot in a recently extinct dlc

You weren't going to get a different kind of horse there anyways

[steep tulip]

You say its a waste of a slot, I say its a bonus slot with a horse in it

Like from the sounds of it, they want this dlc to be decently sized

[steep crane]

Well at least I can use it for Pleistocene documentaries.

[austere sparrow]

Do hope we get a normal and a spotted skin

Wild Horses are so silly for randomly being spotted and I would like that reflected ingame

Dalmatian horsie

[plain linden]

Tbh both elephant bird and moa could come in the same dlc,but either one is fine for me

[low bridge]

Hope for Regaliceratops

Or Kosmoceratops

They are peak

[austere sparrow]

Do like those two, but if we get another derived Ceratopsian it would probably make more sense to get a really small one

Like Avaceratops, Zuniceratops, Turiaceratops or Diabloceratops

Something between Proto and the others in size

[slim flare]

Personally I hope for bay dun and grullo, grullo being more heavily striped

[low bridge]

Ava is just smaller Nasuto

[flint sable]

agreed here

bay dun and grullo are like, the wild horse colors

dont really care for a spotted one

[low bridge]

So switch with Wendiceratops or Medusaceratops

[low bridge]

.

[austere sparrow]

The smallerness is the point

[autumn plank]

while nesting is on its way next month my wish on PK someday would be not just maiasaura in it but aepyornis AKA elephant bird because the females are largers then the males

[austere sparrow]

Wendiceratops is interesting but not that much smaller than Nasuto, I don't think

[low bridge]

What about Xenoceratops

[austere sparrow]

Literally bigger than Wendiceratops

😔 I like Xenoceratops but, and I am repeating myself here, extra Ceratopsians are mostly superfluous unless they are notably smaller than the stock we currently have

[low bridge]

I think that we need Lokiceratops

[austere sparrow]

You could maybe make an argument for biome composition but I'm pretty sure we have at least one of the Nasuto-Pachyrhino scale Ceratopsians for every biome already

[low bridge]

Rly good animal to put into game

[austere sparrow]

Did you know about Lokiceratops before JWE3 announced it? Asking for a friend

[low bridge]

No lol

[wild relic]

That's what I was wondering too lol

Oh

[austere sparrow]

Lmao

[wild relic]

Yeah Loki is in jwe3

[flint sable]

ye

it also has a really nice design from what we have seen, frontier did it well

[hollow furnace]

you mean Medusaceratops with a lopsided frill?

[flint sable]

but thats a talk for #1380687758934409248

[flint sable]

ironically I dont even think the frontier version has the asyymetry iirc

[low bridge]

What lol

[wild relic]

To be fair Loki is in the same tribe as Alberta and Medusa

[hollow furnace]

Lokiceratops is probably just a Medusaceratops with a frill pathology

[austere sparrow]

Lokiceratops is a pretty interesting animal tbf (assuming it's not just a synonym with a particularly striking unique frill situation). And I guess we don't really have a "Weirdhorned modern Ceratopsian" yet. But also, another one for the "Same size as every other Ceratopsian already ingame" books

If it is indeed just Medusaceratops tho... Well I guess "Medusaceratops could channel a fraction of Styracosaurus's power" isn't un-interesting I guess

[austere sparrow]

Are you fucking serious?

[flint sable]

lemme actually double check but from what I saw it doesnt have it

[austere sparrow]

I didn't pay too much attention but. Fucking lmao

[hollow furnace]

I’m pretty sure it does

[flint sable]

nvm it does I think

[hollow furnace]

But hard to tell with the angles

[flint sable]

just didnt notice, you can see it on the one in the back

[austere sparrow]

Good, good

Frontier would make a fuck-up like that, wouldn't it

"Oh look at this, the animal famous for being lopsided. We smoothed it out"

Ngl do kinda want Medusaceratops for PK now 🤔 Modders when

[flint sable]

whenever modding works

[austere sparrow]

I mean, yeah 😔

[flint sable]

or rather whenever someone gets the motivation to do it and the game is stable enough

since modding technically works now, just updates break it

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, chances are we'll have to wait till full release

[wild relic]

I mean PK team could easily just make Medusa, Alberta and Loki as alts for each other, they've done it before with species we have in game

[austere sparrow]

Assuming updates will stop breaking stuff then (fingers crossed?)

[flint sable]

iirc I know some people back when EA first came out made some custom dinosaur skins

and someone also swapped baby skins around with their adult ones

both of those count as mods

[austere sparrow]

I mean I wouldn't mind but like. We do kinda have enough Ceratopsians rn. Even though I like Medusa more than p much all of the Ceratopsians already ingame

Delightful weirdo

Need to stock up the Thyreophorans and mammals a little

[wild relic]

True

[flint sable]

as for dinosaurs thyreophorans definitely need more representation out of all of them

and basically anything that isnt a rhino or cat for mammals would be awesome

[flint sable]

and even then im not complaining if we get more of those, kinda doubt we will tho

although tbh im not complaining no matter what the devs bring us

since everything they cook is peak

[austere sparrow]

PK is really funny for locking in on Ice Age Fauna so hard with their mammals tbh

Like I don't mind Megaloceros and the Cave bear ingame but like. Really. These guys couldn't have waited until after EA. Really.

[flint sable]

those are like my favorites

what did they do to you chat

especially megaloceros

[austere sparrow]

They're not bad animals to have but like

Not exactly exciting

I'd much rather have a glubshitto Ceratopsian clone of Styracosaurus than a bear rn ngl 😔

[slim flare]

Short-faced bear or gtfo

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/die-spongebob-meme-gif-754776035690869996

[mint creek]

Megaloceros is a top 5 animal tbh

[late swallow]

horns

[austere sparrow]

Kill me yourself or pipe down

[frozen gyro]

I would love to see Inostrancevia, that would be a treat!

Or at least 2 Synapsids in this game

[austere sparrow]

Non-mammalian Synapsids? Yeah, hopefully we'll get some soon

[wild relic]

Three species I really want for terrariums are Drepanosaurus, Longisquama and Sharovipteryx, these three little Triassic critters are my absolute favs

[hollow flower]

Absolut

[wild relic]

Overall I think they're actually my favorite Triassic animals

They're like a trio

[low bridge]

I take Eobasileus,Uintatherium for peak eocene mammals

[late swallow]

drepano is just a lil guy and i love him

[feral cedar]

how dare you not mention Basilosaurus

it's THE peak Eocene mammal

[plain knoll]

Acrophoca longirostris, because we need galumphing in PK.

[quick ore]

it's fully aquatic though

also how do you mention peak Eocene animals and not mention Brontotheres?

[low bridge]

Only Bronthothere from Eocene is Embolotherium

[quick ore]

what?

that isn't true in the slightest where did you ever hear that

[feral cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rizzler-the-rizzler-christian-turn-rizzler-turn-gif-3468410536510015644

[quick ore]

literally the entire group is from the Eocene

none are found before or after

[low bridge]

Only well known bronthothere from Eocene is Embolo

[quick ore]

Again what are you talking about???

literally look up any other Brontothere species and you will see that it's from the Eocene

[low bridge]

My bad 😳

[quick ore]

Megacerops, Eotitanops, Rhinotitan, Telmatherium

I can go on forever

[quick ore]

ok but how did you make that mistake, what told you that Embolotherium was the only eocene species

[low bridge]

Accidentaly 🫥🫥

[quick ore]

ok but what exactly like what did you read

[low bridge]

Eh my english is bad

[feral cedar]

that doesn’t answer the question

[quick ore]

it doesn't really matter regardless

I'm just a but confused

[austere sparrow]

Lmfao

Embolotherium is the only Brontothere

All others get the big lump

[low bridge]

only (well known) bronthothere after Megacerops

[austere sparrow]

Too late to wriggle yourself out lol

[low bridge]

Fckkkk

Nevermind

😳🫥

[inner wedge]

sharovipteryx, the bane of PN devs

[dusky obsidian]

they should add big herbivores like magnapaulia and shantungosaurus

[steep tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

Magnapaulia technically is already in the game, one of the lambeo skins is based off it (that's why its larger than the other 2)

[inner wedge]

i'd like to suggest animals that haven't even been described yet

like the humble jurassic herrerasaurid relic

[hollow flower]

im sorry what

[inner wedge]

it will be discovered on september 2026 in denmark

it was revealed to me in a dream

[steep tulip]

Get in line
Maastrichtian stegosaur comes first

[inner wedge]

you WILL get the REAL, CONFIRMED early cretaceous dicynodon and you WILL like it

[brave pier]

First I want the Pilocene Cotylorhynchus

[inner wedge]

you mean the forerunners?

sadly they only left one physical trace of their presence in this realm

you

thats right buddy, we were created with spliced forerunner coty genes

[flint sable]

ah you mean CaseOh?

[low bridge]

What is happening

Lol

[vivid field]

is albertosaurus confirmed

[hollow furnace]

not confirmed

[vivid field]

i suggest albertosaurus

[rigid spindle]

Alright, stupid idea, but when we get dlcs, what if there was one called "internet nightmares" and consisted of spinofaarus, that one gliding ankylosaur, montanaspinus, and the fire breathing parasaurolophus?

[steep tulip]

Idk about them being species

But that would make a neat idea for a haunted house kinda stuff with them being animatronics lol

[flint sable]

spinofaarus DLC

spinofaarus

spinofaaarus

spinofarus

spinofaaaarus

[inner wedge]

him and ||your mother||

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2-conga-gif-26402123

[low bridge]

Hope we get Centrosaurus in Prehistoric Kingdom

To make huge herds of them

[short rover]

You can already do that with styracosaurus

And pachyrhinosaurus

[left spear]

Styraco is a bad example but yeah Pachyrhino, Nasuto, y'know, fucking Triceratops.

[short rover]

Why is styraco a bad example

Triceratops probably wasn’t in large herds

Styraco was a centrosaurine which seemed to have an affinity for large herd sizes

Vs trike which has zero evidence to support they congregated in anything more than small groups

[hollow furnace]

I assume they mean because in game styraco used to be solitary

[short rover]

Used to*

[left spear]

Oh they changed it

Idk tbh i got acostumed to them being in small groups so i still put them in herds of like 5

[sharp plinth]

island dwarf sauropod? nothing better than magyarosaurus for that (light bias)

[austere sparrow]

Magyarosaurus and Europasaurus seem to be the two favorites in that regard

Third might be Rapetosaurus but imo that one is too big for the vibe

Europasaurus is pretty easy to recreate with Neotony anyway tho

[wild relic]

Yeah those three are like the most popular dwarf island sauropods

[late swallow]

I just don't like that name

[austere sparrow]

If modding becomes possible I might just try to mod in some of the "Retroactive alt species" I keep begging for in. Assuming I get good enough at coding to figure out how to mod the game, which is uhhhh. Definitely way easier said then done; even assuming someone else does most of the work a la cobra tools

[austere sparrow]

Oof mood, and same 😔 Unfortunate coincidence right there

[late swallow]

C#, I've a bit of a base in it

I've worked on some C# game mods before, nothing extravagant

[austere sparrow]

Nice!

I have yet to actually work on any mods. But I am hoping to at least try, even though coding of any variety gives me a headache

...Although I guess chances are I wouldn't be able to produce anything of PKs model quality anyway so maybe I shouldn't even try lol.

...Guess I have time to figure it out, either way.

[main cosmos]

amongussaurus

[sharp plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/biden-blast-joe-biden-biden-blast-gif-6547929686164862695

[low bridge]

Top 4 or 5 savanna dwelling mammals for Prehistoric Kingdom:
Metridiochoerus
Ancylotherium
Stegotetrabelodon
Hippo Gorgops
Dinofelis

[low bridge]

All exclusive mammal is Sivatherium

Hope we get it with Bramatherium as Alt

Tbh

[sharp dock]

if I had a nickel for every extinct genus EZ names here on a daily basis I would be a millionaire probably

[cosmic cosmos]

Barinasuchus and Varanus priscus

[smoky spear]

Sinopterus

[feral cedar]

ngl your insistence on Hippopotamus gorgops is rather curious

[smoky spear]

the 1st confirmed plant eating pterosaur

[feral cedar]

If we're going to get an extinct hippo might as well go for like... I dunno, Hexaprotodon

Hexaprotodon looks a lot like a normal hippo... until it opens its mouth

[sharp dock]

It wouldn't have looked that weird

[feral cedar]

gnarly weirdo

[sharp dock]

sooo gnarly

[feral cedar]

Huh, well in that case maybe no extinct hippos then

The "woah bigger modern animal" gimmick starts and ends with megalania, imo. Especially since megalodon nowadays seems to be reconstructed in ways that are way less 'oversized great white shark' esque

[sharp dock]

There are more interesting semiaquatic creatures PK could add

instead of "It's a hippo but prehistoric"

[feral cedar]

I'd personally suggest that Sinopterus' contributions are felt by using it as unambiguous evidence that Tupandactylus is an herbivore

[flint sable]

thats Choeropsis

[cinder python]

reminds me of Stegotrabelodon

[low bridge]

Stegotetrabelodon is so much neat Elephant for Prehistoric Kingdom

[inner wedge]

not only paleontologists backed off from those reconstruction, but they are doubling down on "meg was a big ass great white"

[austere sparrow]

Source?

[late swallow]

They're not tho? It's recon has been revised to look more like a Mako, which it is closer related to

[toxic oriole]

In which makos themselves are close relatives of White Sharks like the Great White

Doesnt really matter, they may be closely related but they arent the same

[quick ore]

except the malagasy ones maybe

[trail gyro]

Rubigea

[wary nacelle]

If fish are eve added to PK may I suggest the following three:
Mawsonia
Xiphactinus
And Oncorhynchus

Oh also forgot a size comparison

[sharp dock]

now finally

I suggestion I can get behind

[outer moth]

We do need waterway/tank fillers for when Aquariums come out so this 👆

[late swallow]

I see your Oncorhynchus and raise you Coelacanthus granulatus
[img: Ghedoghedo • CC BY-SA 3.0]

[feral cedar]

Coelacanthus is like discovering a Pterosaurus

[wary nacelle]

I would suggest leed but he’s a little big

We don't shame tho

[outer moth]

Ppl have suggested bigger aquatic species

[mint creek]

pliosaurus for terrarium

[late swallow]

Leedsichtys goated pick

[low bridge]

I hope for Dinocrocuta

[wild relic]

I'd definitely want to see at least a couple of marine crocodiles like Dakosaurus, Geosaurus and/or Metriorhynchus

[low bridge]

Or Chasmaporthetes (dog mimic hyena)

[wild relic]

Desmostylus would also be interesting

They're like not hippos but also like sea hippos I guess

[feral cedar]

Do you guys think Diplodocus would be added for for free or as DLC down the line

[wild relic]

At this point it's hard to tell imo

[feral cedar]

Considering for a second that Diplodocus is the single most famous dinosaur skeleton in the world...

It could go either way

[steep tulip]

I have a feeling old roster animals will be free

But yeah too early to tell imo

[short rover]

Most probably I’d say

[feral cedar]

Hear me out

Mesozoic Europe pack with a Pyroraptor that looks like this

[low bridge]

Hope for Barinasuchus

[left spear]

Everyone hopes for Barinasuchus

[steep tulip]

There's a real chance pyro might become dubious
Nothingburger dinosaur carried solely by its name I bet

[slim flare]

Dubious and/or junior synonym

[toxic oriole]

So if Pyroraptor becomes dubious or a junior synonym

Then what WAS the dino that was actually found after that forest fire?

[slim flare]

If a junior synonym, Variraptor

[winged tundra]

Just got this game and I love it. Especially love that it's not just dinos. This game rocks... But I was wondering any other dodo 🦤 fan boys out here? C:

[glass snow]

Balaur would be better for a europe pack in my opinion. Pyro is frag as hell and is probably not valid

like balaur has something pyro is so frag theres nothing really to think about other than the name

[quick ore]

I mean

[slim flare]

NO

[quick ore]

Balaur isn't very complete either

[slim flare]

We don’t even know what Baluar is

[quick ore]

we don't even know what its head looked like

it would be a total guess

[glass snow]

But would be better then pyro in my opinion as the feathered small animal niche.

[slim flare]

Any species so fragmentary an unknown that we literally don’t know what clade it’s in should not be added

[glass snow]

at least it has something despite also being a mess.

[quick ore]

Zalmoxes

it works perfectly as that

[glass snow]

zalmoxes possibly wasn’t feathered

[quick ore]

says who?

[glass snow]

Or at least mostly wasn’t

I mean it could be

we don’t know

but I was talking about something in velos niche

zalmoxes would be cool though

[slim flare]

We have plenty of well-known and interesting species to do, we shouldn’t rely on fragmentary and poorly-known species

[quick ore]

If Dryosaurus can be feathered then so can Zalmoxes

or at least it can have a feathered skin

[glass snow]

Hatz is super frag

[toxic oriole]

And yet its still valid

[glass snow]

like extremely frag but suprisingly diagnostic for azhdarchid standards

so I see it being added

[toxic oriole]

Though I've no idea how this "Fossil existence" thing works

[glass snow]

it’s bones are fairly different for what we have than other frag azhdarchids. Being thicker and more robust.

I hope we find more material on azhdarchids before if/when they added to pk.

[steep tulip]

We have more material (not described) of hatze

[toxic oriole]

Are they ever gonna show it?

[steep tulip]

Apparently there's one that has decent preservation (for pterosaurs at least), but don't quote me on that

[steep tulip]

If they describe it, eventually

[glass snow]

yeah I heard of smth like that

[steep tulip]

Who works on that field probably already knows about it

My even if it remains as fragmentary, it has a spot ingame

Because we know what made it different in way

[glass snow]

Yeah big bulky azhdarchid

[steep tulip]

Kinda like barinasuchus, it's mostly a partial snout but the cool thing about it is that its big

And we have close relatives anyway

[left spear]

Just make It a sebeccus alt

And if you do It that way you can be cool and give It an Iberosuchus alt, essentially representing all locations, time frames and sizes of sebecids

[steep tulip]

While I would prefer it having a full slot, I wouldn't mind getting 3 in 1 sebecosuchians thing

Tho dentaneosuchus better

Than ibero

[left spear]

Whats the difference, is denta more complete?

[steep tulip]

Its closer to both sebecus and barina, and while the holotype might be chimeric from what I've heard, the skull still belonged to something of that size

[steep tulip]

Kinda

Also bigger

[left spear]

I mean fair but in this case It being bigger is probably worse

Tho yeah denta is still better

[steep tulip]

It being closer in size to barina helps a bit to make alt
Tho maybe size doesn't matter considering sebecus is quite small still

[left spear]

I mean look at Paracer/juxia

Size doesn't seem to matter much for the animations

[feral cedar]

Balaur would be good for a Hațeg Island pack specifically imo

[toxic oriole]

Was Magyarosaurus on that island or am I thinking of a different place?
I know Island Dwarfism exists, and that the animal isnt the only one that had suffered it

On that island, at least

Done some research, only reason the phenomenon occurs is a lack of predators and food or something

[lean hound]

Yes

[feral cedar]

A Hațeg pack would include Hatzegopteryx as its headliner of course. The rest are mostly dwarf dinosaurs

Magyarosaurus, Struthiosaurus, and Telmatosaurus for fun-sized titanosaurs, nodosaurs, and hadrosauroids

[toxic oriole]

Werent there also some mesozoic mammals on that island or am I thinking of a different place?

[feral cedar]

Zalmoxes would be a cool addition too, but recent research suggests that it’s actually not a dwarf

[steep tulip]

Maybe european island pack works better

Pr late cretaceous europe

You could put in there tethyshadros too

Fylax could be its alt since its from the maastrichtian

[slim flare]

Neovenator…

[feral cedar]

Zalmoxes and other rhabodontids are mostly small, and it’s actually Rhabdodon who who exhibited gigantism

[toxic oriole]

Hmmmm...

[steep tulip]

Like as much as I like stuff like struthio or telmato, idk how much people care about those

[toxic oriole]

That snake

What is it?

[steep tulip]

Neovenator could be fun to get

[toxic oriole]

Now if I'm not mistaken, Neovenator and Baryonyx co-existed

[feral cedar]

Telmatosaurus and Tethyshadros as alts?

[feral cedar]

Baryonyx’s little bitch

[toxic oriole]

Oh so Gargantuavis is part of that island as well

Unnamed azdharcid pterosaur on the island?

[steep tulip]

Could work also

Idk how close the 2 are

[feral cedar]

I suggest telmato cause people might want to recreate the island biota

[steep tulip]

But I imagine they are close enough

True

[feral cedar]

an enclosure with magy, telmato, struthio, and zalmoxes would be epic

[median relic]

I see no red on that design, this is a sin

[toxic oriole]

Looking at the Balaur critter, it was thought to have been a dromaeosaur before, but now a flightless bird, an early example of an insular flightless bird

And a possible junior synonym for... Elopteryx?

[quick ore]

Ok so first, imagine the Recently Extinct pack launches successfully and adds some moas and dodos among other species not from islands
Then, a new pack comes along specifically as an island pack that not only adds a moa nalo, adzebill, and extinct mauritius tortoise but also pulls from Eocene Jamaica with Pezosiren and Hateg with Magyarosaurus/Zalmoxes?

potentially even Malagasy species

[steep tulip]

Ain't that a bit much for a dlc?

[toxic oriole]

So this is the fauna that was on the island or something, at least the fauna that was found

[steep tulip]

I want to see new caledonia fauna in some way

[quick ore]

I dont mean include all of them

just that those are good options

oh for sure Kanaky would be good too

[late swallow]

counter: Carcharodontosaurus

[steep tulip]

Carch is a whole skull tbh

Hatze (as of now at least) is a skull faction and a partial shoulder

[left spear]

NC could have its own species pack, Mekosuchus, Sylviornis, Meiolania and 2 minis.

It's essentially a toned down madagascar in that sense

[late swallow]

a skull and a half, and a femur

[plush nacelle]

Alright. Hear me out

Replace moa with elephant bird in RE DLC

And make Zealandia Pack later down the line after implementation of flying

With haast eagle, moas, meiolania and mekosuchus as 4 exhibit species

Huia, delacourt giant gecko and some other bird in terrarium

Small building set based on maori architecture

And few plants: stromatopteris, silver beech, shrub araucaria, kauri grass and cabbage tree

[tired storm]

Amargasaurus since we have Ourano we must have my second fav herbi

[foggy matrix]

Mochlodon instead of Zalmoxes? (Mochlodon is a dwarf zalmoxes)

Also Ajkaceratops would be cool, its the only european ceratopsid

[lean hound]

While I do want Amargasaurus I think it would be better to get Nigersaurus because it’s +1 to a formation that currently only has one animal and to Africa as a whole (only 3 animals for it atm)

[foggy matrix]

Well there is two in south america, so it needs animals too

[flint sable]

technically 3

as S. fatalis was also found in South America along with S. populator

[lean hound]

That doesn’t mean you can’t have more non SA animals

[quick ore]

the giant gecko is from Kanaky

[flint sable]

Delacourt's Gecko is from NC iirc

[quick ore]

yes that's what Kanaky is

[flint sable]

oh mb

I had never heard anyone else call it that before so I was a bit confused

[ancient ibex]

"SaUrOpOdS aRe AlL tHe SaMe!!1!"

https://www.deviantart.com/sketchy-raptor/art/Some-Sauropodomorphs-1217250322

(Cheat sheet here: https://www.deviantart.com/stash/01qln9bf7th)

[wild relic]

Fr

[outer moth]

Sauropod diversity is crazy

[steep tulip]

Wouldn't mind honestly

Also yeah the giant gecko is also another neat NC rep

Meiolania could also be put somewhere else
Unfortunately doubt we getting most of them

[ancient ibex]

Turiasaurs are weird fucks and nobody pays them any heed, but, look at that long legged short necked absolute unit

[plush nacelle]

Zealandia is New Zealand + New Caledonia + Lord Howe + other small islands

[outer moth]

Atlasaurus is hella uncanny

[feral cedar]

People often forget sauropodomorphs were around from the very beginning (Eoraptor) to the very end (Alamosaurus) of the reign of the dinosaurs

Same guy btw

[late swallow]

I can confirm Amarga, Niger, Mamenchi, Giraffa, and Camara from a glance

[feral cedar]

nuh uh

[late swallow]

He poggeth

[feral cedar]

I'm a bit shocked there isn't a megalosaurid here tbh

But for what it's worth this is a pretty good 'condensation' of theropods as a whole into a single image

the spinosaurid seems to rep megalosauroids as a whole

[austere sparrow]

To be fair, I am not sure anybody but like, Robert Fabiani maybe, ever actually thought that

But yeah if someone thought that they were wrong

I really hope we'll get a Turiasaur somehow but the chances for that look pretty grim lol 😭

...I would list more Sauropods I am hoping for but like. I guess I'd be here for a while

[wild relic]

Ones I'm mostly hoping for are Shunosaurus, Amargasaurus/Bajadasaurus and Magyarosaurus

[austere sparrow]

I really want Neuquensaurus now, solely for how tiny and cute it is

It can join Europasaurus, Titanomachya, Magyarosaurus and Paludititan in the club

[feral cedar]

I think Saltasaurus is somewhere within the ballpark for that club

[wild relic]

Hm fair enough

[austere sparrow]

Love Saltasaurus but I think it's a bit too big for what I'm thinking of? Lemme look up how big it was

[wild relic]

I think Salta definitely fills in the gaps for Neuquen

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Salta is at the treshold

[wild relic]

This is Neuquens known material btw

[austere sparrow]

Dang

I guess it's not quite an utter fragmentary mess at least

[wild relic]

True

Salta is pretty smol

[austere sparrow]

Also, am amused at how the Titanomachya size recons can't agree if it's more of a Saltasaur or more of a Longkosaur

...However you write those

The later makes it have "I am actually not that small my ass is just miniscule" vibes

Oh dang that is small

[wild relic]

It's about as big as Neuquen

[austere sparrow]

Yeah

Welcome to the club Salta

Shoutout to Melanorosaurus also

...Hm. I was considering extending a club invite to Shuno and Amarga but like. Aren't those already in elephant mass range

[wild relic]

Yeah

Leinkupal is nice but I don't think likely, but it's basically like a mini Diplodocus

But it's hella fragmentary tho

[plush nacelle]

That small mainland sauropod from SA, which become small due to living in extreme desert

Ibirania?

[plush nacelle]

It reminds me about how weird titanosauria is

[wild relic]

Wait but Analong is a mamenchisaurid, which aren't part of titanosauria

[fresh ember]

That's not the point being made.

[wild relic]

Oh

Ohhh

[fresh ember]

The point is that titanosaurs had an awkward-ass gait compared to other sauropods to the point where it looks comical, based on those trackways.

[wild relic]

Now I get it

[plush nacelle]

Just look at patagotitan on image and how wide gap between its limbs is

[late swallow]

Elbows out knees together

Time warp baybeeee

[austere sparrow]

I'm sorry how the fuck are they meant to be walking, now? Because this just looks like its playing Twister

Oh wait no

I see now this is just. The two opposite feet

Okay that makes sense again

[plush nacelle]

Analong is walking like most animals would do. Titanosaurs are weirdos with wide gaid to support enormous size

[wary nacelle]

Only Ichnogenera Pack with:
Fujianipus yingliangi
And Amblydactylus gethingi
Those are the only to Ichnogenera I can think of off the top of my head.
-# /hj

[flint sable]

how about Grallator

its already mentioned in PK

[plush nacelle]

Macropodosaurus

[flint sable]

also Grallator is the singlemost cladistically sound fossil or ichnofossil ever

trust me on this

[ancient ibex]

Shame he has an irrational hatred for non-Acrocanthosaurus carcharodontosaurs tho, Dempsey is one of the up and coming biomech workers, and is doing great with ornithischians

[feral cedar]

That's... odd... and kind of stupid

[wary nacelle]

Fire

[austere sparrow]

Grallator :O Pog

[hollow furnace]

If we're getting ichnofossils you just know we need Pissosaurus in game: https://x.com/Tessasaurus_rex/status/1943776323433869534

Tess Gallagher🦕(@tessasaurus.bsky.social) (@Tessasaurus_rex)

Urolites are a type of ichnofossil created by an animal peeing. One such fossil was found in the morrison formation which measured *10 feet long*! the likely culprit was likely a sauropod, like diplodocus or apatosaurus. below is an image of a urolite from brazil

X · Jul 11, 2025, 8:56 PM

[flint sable]

pissosaurus

actually hear me out

it shall be named

Urinosaurus

Pee Lizard

[austere sparrow]

I mean, chances are pissosaurus is ingame already

[feral cedar]

I wonder how PK would handle the paleobotany side of things for pterosaurs and marine reptiles

that is, what would be the equivalent for them?

How do you get ecology bonus points and wellness increase for animals like Pteranodon or Mosasaurus

[plush nacelle]

Mesozoic marine animals would probably get rudist reef biome preset

[austere sparrow]

rudist reef 💯

[inner wedge]

aviary dlc wishlist i made by popular demand ( )

also slightly updated my previous charts

[plush nacelle]

And for second preset giant crinoid reefs

With that big rafting mofo

[inner wedge]

ideally i hope that's all we get for paid dlcs

[plush nacelle]

So mesozoic rudist reef + crinoid reef
For cenozoic coral reef + kelp forest

[inner wedge]

yeah something like that would be cool

crinoids would be hell to animate tho

[plush nacelle]

Yes, but in game it would be amazing to see. Totally worth the effort

[inner wedge]

can't argue with that

[hollow flower]

And for paleozoics rugose reef + glass sponge reef?

[foggy matrix]

i just said that SA needs animals too

[open heron]

Tylosaurus and Mosasaurus being alts, as your notes suggests is possible, really doesn't work despite how superficially similar they may seem at a glance.

Otherwise most of these seem pretty sound.

I think a few of the terrarium birds I would expect to come before the aviary DLC tho

specifically think Anchiornis has a shot of either being in Update 16, or added in post ea for free.

[vivid field]

this is actually awesome however my only suggestion is having Anurognathus instead of Jehelopterus

[wild relic]

Why not both? As in like alts

[steep tulip]

If we getting it, it's probably gonna be a terrarium animal

Way too small for aviaries imo

[wild relic]

Yeah

[steep tulip]

Jehelopterus is just bigger

So easier to see

[desert flame]

yes
Perhaps Permian animals in particular are more likely to arrive during the EA.

[steep tulip]

Maybe

There was one permian animal planned for ea, but who knows if we still gonna get it

[desert flame]

The arboreal lizard will be add in Update 16 may be a Permian animal, but it may not be.

[sharp dock]

A heckin' lizardo

[tough marsh]

Intresting Permian picks nice Alopecognathus

That’s fairly obscure

[inner wedge]

i love permian

i dont expect all of these animals to come out but if i can have some fringe choices in i'd be happy

[tough marsh]

Why Alopecognathus just Sclyacosaur representation?

[inner wedge]

therocephalian rep

which were actually megawhaitsia and bauria at first

[late swallow]

which one of these little buggers is Lycaenops

oh its that baby

[inner wedge]

small sized gorgonopsid

[late swallow]

love it

[inner wedge]

i want to sic it on the kids

[late swallow]

real

[tough marsh]

It’s medium

[late swallow]

also in the notes you said its speed made it unsuitible for terraria, and then said it was about the size of V. mongoliensis, so i don't think its just the speed holding it back

[inner wedge]

well just a small-sized exhibit synapsid to have in the game

also if we go by what we know about terrarium a velociraptor could fit decently in a large-sized one

terrariums in this game are weird

[late swallow]

well the best thing is, its getting a rework

[inner wedge]

yes i know man

they're still weird

[feral cedar]

Rhamphorhynchus is probably better-suited for exhibits tbh

It has a lifestyle very similar to Pteranodon and other seafaring pterosaurs

Flying by the coast, diving for fish in the water, etc

[fresh ember]

They also got surprisingly large.

With a wingspan up to roughly 2 meters across.

[feral cedar]

Yeah

A terrarium would just hamper rhamphs ngl

[outer crater]

Rhamph is decently big actually

and soaring above the open ocean means it needs room

[flint sable]

Rhamph and Dearc are the two jurassic pterosaurs I could see being exhibit

all the others would be mini sized

[cosmic cosmos]

Get my boi rhamph out of the terrarium!

[lean hound]

It’s that big?!

Gosh I thought it was small

[slim flare]

New specimen big

[feral cedar]

Rhamphies are pretty damn big all things considered

[shy gulch]

What do you think about the likelihood of a recently extinct expansion with animals like the Tasmanian Tiger, the dodo, or the great auk?

[hollow furnace]

confirmed

[outer moth]

Confirmed for the first DLC after full launch
That is if the game does well at launch in the first place, so spread the word to support the project

[solemn cedar]

I crave for more creatures

[inner wedge]

alright alright i get it

my references were wrong

ame as tylo and mosa, it's just some dumb wishlists

[inner wedge]

it's alright but i hope we don't get too many packs like planet zoo

death by a thousand cuts ahh roster

[low bridge]

Dome headed weirdos mammal pack: Tsaidamotherium, Tylocephalonyx, Discokeryx

[tacit valley]

Sauropods id love to see Amarga/Bajada alts, Mamenchisaurus, Europasaurus, Atlasaurus, Isisaurus, Brachytracelopan, Nemegtosaurus and Shunosaurus

[inner wedge]

fixed them if u care 🥺

(not reposting for attention just to save it on the serv)

[late swallow]

Something very critical missing

[glass snow]

good roster I like the idea of shoalers

[inner wedge]

WHAT

dont dare ragebait me

[late swallow]

Coelacanthiform

[inner wedge]

mawsonia is there

[late swallow]

Didn't see it

You're good

[inner wedge]

now you do

[grand lake]

Orthacanthus

[late swallow]

well ain't he a lil guy

[austere sparrow]

Not sure we need both Dunkleosteus and Titanichthys? Though I guess with shrunk Dunk Titanichthys could get in as a stand-in for old Dunk... 🤔

[quick ore]

isnt shrunk dunk debunked

[late swallow]

good rhyme

but i don't think it was

[flint sable]

shrunk dunk has not been debunked

but reguardless of the size of dunk

if dunk was added

it would give me an excuse to make a donut place called Dunkle Donuts

so

[austere sparrow]

Anyway, I had the thought, based on that Therizinosaur discussion in #pk-discussion , that we could maybe make some posts here tallying all the animals that are members of groups that are often requested but don't have a no-brainer representative (Like Carnotaurus for Abelisaurs).
I could make a poll for this, but I feel like using by-react voting (so people who arrive in after-a-weeks-time still get a chance to vote, and people who want a group member that wasn't on the initial list can quote-tag me to have it added) works better for this.
The way react voting works is, each option gets an emote assigned (like say, Therizinosaurus 🧀 (because it's the big cheese)) and people then vote with reacts.
This does inherently make 'I vote for everything' unpreventable, and I guess whoever is making the poll doesn't get to vote, and new additions might not get on the list due to spamreacting, but, hey. I'll just note my own votes (if applicable), and if somebody spamreacts, I'll just block them, I guess.

(If the devs were to ever get interested in using this thread seriously instead of just as a glorified spam containment zone, a staff member would not have the same problem, due to being able to delete reactions to their post.)

...It will take a while for me to actually finish that post, so uh, yeah.

[lean hound]

If devs do add it and it still hasn’t been debunked maybe they could have different skins with different sizes

[hollow furnace]

very unlikely

[late swallow]

Per Rebecca:

Yeah, this isn't happening. Automod mutes you for an hour if you try to do an emote vote post, 'Anti-Zalgo' it says. Experiment successfully failed, I guess. Might do a Discord-voting-feature based vote instead tomorrow or whenever.

[left spear]

Yeah shrunk Dunk is still valid, iirc there was some gripes with the methods used but it's still consideres correct.

[open heron]

-# (Technically a 'species suggestion' because it's animal related but i'm also not asking for a specific animal)
I feel like it'd be really cool in Post-EA, once most of the really popular species are added, we get a sort of PK creature ballot, most voted genus gets in, no alts or anything fancy like that, just one species voted on by the community.
Definitely do this after all the popular stuff gets in though so the winner isn't super obvious.

[left spear]

I dont want giga thanks

[open heron]

Giga would probably already be added if this is an end-of-life thing.

[left spear]

What a tragedy then

Honestly the devs giving a 10 animal list and the most voted one makes it in would be better

i really dont trust communities with this kind of stuff

[waxen grail]

If only additional alts for existing species weren’t off the table.

[open heron]

Look I know this risks Nanuqsaurus winning because it's like 99% not getting in otherwise but I just feel it'd be interesting to see what creatures people start asking for after all the 'obvious' animals are finally included, will Desmostylus ascend into a fan favourite or will everyone vote Tyrannotitan after it misses out on a Giga/Mapu/Merax altfest.

Plus the devs can always do what they ended up doing for Smash 4 and just pick a vaguely well requested pick and just pretend it's the winner, then release the actual winner as DLC in the next game /j

[late swallow]

literally had to google what a Desmostylus was

[golden canopy]

Wish list from jwe2

Homalocephale
Pteranodon
Plesiosaurus
Pachycephalosaurus
Tropeognathus
Quetzalcoatlus
Therizinosaurus
Ceratosaurus
Carnotaurus
Jeholopterus
Ichthyosaurus
Utahraptor
Atrociraptor
Archelon
Stygimoloch
Shonisaurus
Mosasaurus
Megalodon
Majungasaurus
Lystrosaurus
Dimorphodon
Dunkleosteus
Nothosaurus
Gigantoraptor
Giganotosaurus

I know I included some aquatic and flying animals which aren't implemented yet but it would be super cool to see such iconic animals represented accurately

Prob put to many species lol

[golden canopy]

What's wrong with the giga, it's one of the most iconic mega theropods, and it honestly deserves some design justice after that Jurassic world dominion did it it

[late swallow]

tfym Dominion giga looks cool af

i don't see atroci getting in, with how fragmentary it is

[golden canopy]

It's just not accurate even for jw, I like the design but it would be really cool to see a accurate one in game

[late swallow]

pachy is practically confirmed, and Stygi may come as P. spinifer. utah is coming, but who knows when

[open heron]

The main issue a lot of people have with it is its extreme similarity with Carcharodontosaurus.

[golden canopy]

I mean yeah but there are general distinctions as well as it being overall more iconic

Deinotherium would be cool too

And stellers sea cow

[late swallow]

generic Carcharodontosaurid #2

[golden canopy]

Still looks cool

[outer crater]

It can be differentiated by having rugose keratin crests and spines running down its back

[glass snow]

I think some pycnodont reef fish would also be cool for aquariums like fauna from the Sannine Formation.

Like the fish possibilities are endless really.

[low bridge]

No , Deinotherium is COOL

[plain linden]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-people-spongebob-patrick-gif-7335905

[quick ore]

that's what they said 🤨

dome headed animal poll
only mammals

[plush nacelle]

Ima make my own one

Really hard to make it tbh

So many choices for so few spots

[austere sparrow]

You know you can select an option to allow for multiple votes in the same poll, right

[inner wedge]

most of those are ridiculously small

also monte bolca does have pycnodonts to choose from

[inner wedge]

like i cared, it's a wishlist i made not a to-do list to the devs

[inner wedge]

actually right

[inner wedge]

i think the poll we have done already was good enough

even if animals like carnotaurus are a no-brainer and likely to come out already

at least the devs got an easy insight on what the community at large wants to see in the game

which makes me think at least amargasaurus and ceratosaurus being on the top 3 make them good contenders for first post-ea animals

[austere sparrow]

It occurs to me that there's a chance I'm the only person interested in Segnosaurus, Alxasaurus and Neimongosaurus lol

Neimongosaurus being conditional on "if Gigantoraptor gets in I'd ideally want that one too"

[hollow flower]

Criocephalosaurus as an addition would be a little strange but also intruiging

[sharp plinth]

he looks so wise

[dense flame]

he looks like he would speak like yoda

[sharp plinth]

real

[dense flame]

''eat i must.''

''to survive,you must be alive.''

[low bridge]

Whatever it eats it goes into his head

[austere sparrow]

"Where do you work out?"
"At the library"

[shy gulch]

I’m currently making a list of every dinosaur and seeing which groups aren’t represented based off that. I’ve finished Theropods and I’m currently halfway through the sauropods. Currently underrepresented theropod groups that weren’t in the original 50 are Herrerasaurs, metriacanthosaurids, Noasaurids, Troodontids, Alverezsaurids, Megaraptors, Oviraptorsaurs (like Caenagnathids and Caudipterids), anchiornithids, and Piatnitzkysaurids.

There are a lot of underrepresented sauropod groups as well from what I’m seeing

Also I didn’t include Theropods from Avialae

[quaint plank]

Cartoon bonk noise

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, the potential of Segno, Duo and Erliko being the same animal, and Bayanshiree/Iren Dabasu having an interesting biota beyond Gigantoraptor, makes something quite compelling for me

[outer moth]

Doesn’t the Gigantoraptor faunal group (easier than saying Bayanshiree/Iren Dabasu) have the Bissekty giant?
Pardon me if I’m a little dated on my info, but I’ve heard of small carchas n giant dromies from the area

[ancient ibex]

Not quite the same I believe; Bayanshiree has Achillobator, but Bissekty may be a bit far removed; still, weird stuff going on with predatory theropods in Asia at that time

[outer moth]

Interesting, but what other animals exist in the GFG?
Any notable species besides Achillobator or Gigantoraptor?

[plush nacelle]

Bissekty formation lowkey rules. Not many species from western side of Asia out there

[ancient ibex]

It is basically a prelude to the typical late cretaceous fauna

[ancient ibex]

Also where the original Azdharchid comes from

[outer moth]

Agreed
Quite a fascinating formation from an otherwise underrated area

[ancient ibex]

(as in the namesake, we knew of more before it, but kinda dropped the ball with associating Quetzalcoatlus to Pteranodon for quite a while, and the whole Titanopteryx black fly incident)

[outer moth]

I like the dwarf ceratopsians n giant dromies from the area in particular

(That is if the “Bissekty giant” is anything to go by)

[outer moth]

How did we know those two were closely related, though?

[ancient ibex]

They look quite similar to each other

[outer moth]

(Also knowing abt Zuni and Turano makes me want to have them in PK as alts of each other)

[ancient ibex]

They are low priority to me, but would be awesome indeed

Miniceratops

[outer moth]

Wait, how much material do we have of Azdarchus and Quetzal in total?

[outer moth]

Decent DLC pick down the line, would be neat for a “minisaur pack”

[ancient ibex]

lawsoni is about the best known azdharchid, northropi is fragmentary but consistently found to be closest to lawsoni, and both Arambourgiana (then Titanopteryx) and then newly described Azdharcho had overlapping material with lawsoni

[plush nacelle]

Wish we could find more New Zealand mesozoic fossils. Plenty weird stuff must have been there