Community Species Suggestions

[austere sparrow]

Fair, I guess

Does kinda annoy me that the rich get richer when it comes to famous dinosaur representation. Stuff like Atlasaurus and Diamantinasaurus is out there, but because nobody already featured it in something, they're hella overlooked... Hell, Stuff like Barosaurus gets to fill major museum entry halls and still be entirely overshadowed by its relatives to the point of not even being considered when it comes to media appearances

...Not that PK is necessarily the best vehicle for introducing new genera to the public, considering the high effort involved in making animals work versus something like dinosaur king or Jurassic World Evolution, but like. Still

[smoky spear]

imma be honest

[waxen grail]

Zby with a Tendaguria alt genus (Maybe Turiasaurus as a third alt too).
Turiasaurs are rarely represented in palaeomedia.
The Lourinhã Formation is already in game, and the Tendaguru formation seems to be one of the better Formations for Jurassic Africa.
Both continents are somewhat lacking in Jurassic species too.

[smoky spear]

you can already use any dilopho skin as these 2

[waxen grail]

The idea is me suggesting species from underrepresented continents

[late swallow]

Okay that last one has one of the laziest names

[austere sparrow]

Feel like we should go for actually notable inclusions instead of 'knockoff version of famous animal from elsewhere'

[flint sable]

agreed

[austere sparrow]

Chinese lizard from China

[late swallow]

Real

We already have like 10 of those

// aside, Djadochta feels super empty with only P. mongoliensis and V. mongoliensis

[austere sparrow]

Hey, leave Sinosauropteryx, Sinocalliopteryx, Sinornithosaurus, Sinopliosaurus, Sinoceratops and Sinomacrops out of this!

[waxen grail]

I’ve already suggested Udanoceratops twice

Also what famous Dinosaur is Mamenchisaurus a knockoff of?

[late swallow]

Your mom /lh

[austere sparrow]

They're gonna get Oviraptor soon, at least

[late swallow]

Argentinosaurus; I guess?

Though that's even a stretch

[austere sparrow]

Oh no Mamenchisaurus and your other suggestions are fine. Just Dracovenator and Sinosaurus in particular

Even Giraffatitan is p distinct from Brachiosaurus

[waxen grail]

That would make Argent a ripoff Brachi

[late swallow]

[We enjoy your contributions to this discussion]

[waxen grail]

That was rude, sorry

[austere sparrow]

Argent is a ripoff Alamosaurus actually :V

[late swallow]

Nah that was chill

[late swallow]

Alamo kinda sucks imo

[austere sparrow]

The devs are not immune to propaganda using the knockoff animal instead of their sensible relative

[waxen grail]

Basically Mamenchisaurus and Argentinosaurus aren’t all that similar

[austere sparrow]

Okay tbf in that case I was semi-roasting it for incompleteness. Alamo does kinda suck yeah

Shoutout to Patagotitan

But yeah Mamench is super unique lol

[late swallow]

The link meme : "it's my prehistoric zoo sim and I get to pick the arguably dubious dinksaurs"

[late swallow]

Real

[austere sparrow]

I also want Omeisaurus which. Would be less unique. But they're both stupid popular in Asia, especially in Dinosaur Statue Parks

[waxen grail]

Honestly if the knockoff is decently preserved and the one it’s a knockoff of is from the US, the knockoff should be the one chosen.

[austere sparrow]

I mean we do have a bit many North American dinosaurs at this point lol

God and they have barely done any mammals yet! 💀

[waxen grail]

What if they renamed the skins for Dilophosaurus to Dracovenator and Sinosaurus and put them in their respective formations?

[austere sparrow]

That would be pointless and mildly annoying imo

[waxen grail]

Idk why I care so much about enclosure bonuses, I barely build actual parks, instead I just build crazy stuff like a Star Wars city.

[austere sparrow]

I guess if they decided to do it I would be mildly baffled and openly confused, but accept it

[late swallow]

I would riot

[waxen grail]

Why though?

[late swallow]

Cryo

[waxen grail]

Do you hate those genera that much?

[austere sparrow]

No love for Cryolophosaurus

[late swallow]

No I just like cryo more

[waxen grail]

Cryo should be added. As well as other Dinosaurs from its Formation.
We currently lack Antarctic rep

[late swallow]

Phone wanted me to say crying, which, after the past two days is real

[waxen grail]

I turned off autocorrect since I frequently write Dinosaur names

[late swallow]

I need to mess with the auto capitalisation thing

[waxen grail]

Dacentrurus with a Miragaia alt genus.
They’re from the Lourinhã Formation, which currently lacks diversity (There’s one species).
They are also very spiky and are more different from Stegosaurus and my aforementioned suggestion Kentrosaurus than the Ceratopsids currently in game.

[late swallow]

There will be another in Lourinhã eventually - A. europaeus

[waxen grail]

Dicraeosaurus is an interesting Sauropod, unlike any currently in game, and comes from Africa, a continent with a grand total of three species currently. It would have both its species as alts of each other.

[waxen grail]

Yes, but that’s still only two species and they’re both carnivores.
Still can’t wait for Allosaurus europaeus though.

[late swallow]

Any Dicraeosaur, but I think Amargasaurus and Brachytracelophan would be better additions

[late swallow]

I'm just ready for allo in general, all 4 species

hopefully there's some sense and they keep the red antorbital decorum

In males, at least

[late swallow]

Look at me, my pfp is my Allosaurus sona

[waxen grail]

Amarga with Brachy and the two Dicraeosaur species as alts ideally. Adds diversity to South America too.

[late swallow]

Which is desperately needed, I'm also one to go to bat for herrerasaurus

[waxen grail]

Herrera is a good choice

[late swallow]

There were some weird lil blokes down there

[waxen grail]

Carnotaurus is from South America.
What else do I need to say? Everyone likes a good Carnotaurus.

[late swallow]

And how are we missing the soccer sausages

[hollow furnace]

fragilis has that

you can see the concept art for the allo skins in the artbook

[late swallow]

Jimmy should, no?

[late swallow]

I have not opened it yet

Very... hectic week

[hollow furnace]

No, this is jimmy's skin:

[waxen grail]

What exactly are those?

[late swallow]

Abelisaurs

Long legs, sausage shape

You cannot tell me carnotaurus isn't sausage shaped

[flint sable]

pokey sausage

[waxen grail]

Makes sense

[hollow furnace]

depends on the abelisaur (for the long legs, all of them have the sausage shape)

[flint sable]

with two bumps

[hollow furnace]

Some are short legs, sausage shape

[late swallow]

Adeoppaposaurus

[waxen grail]

Elaphrosauris is a Noasaurid. We don’t have any of those in game. Huinculsaurus and Limosaurus would be nice alts since they all come from continents that either lack species in general or lack Jurassic species (Huincul is Cretaceous, others are Jurassic).
Huinculsaurus also comes from the Huincul Formation, which is the only South American formation currently in game, with a grand total of one species at the moment.

[waxen grail]

Yes

I think all of these species would be welcome additions to the game.

[austere sparrow]

I do like Dicraeosaurus (got to see the Berlin mount in person) but I doubt it'll get in. Amargasaurus is pretty firmly the most famous Dicraeosaur, and Bajadasaurus is a pretty obvious alt choice for it

[waxen grail]

True

[austere sparrow]

...Ngl the only way I see any of these being added is either Meraxes or Mapusaurus as a Giganoto alt

[late swallow]

Eodromaeus and Gnathovorax would also do well I think (gnath as a herrera alt?)

[waxen grail]

Yes

[late swallow]

Every dinosaur game falls to the same pitfall: your Triassic rep is Coelophysis and maybe one other thing

[waxen grail]

Majungasaurus, Beelzebufo (Mini), Masiakasaurus, Mahajangasuchus and Rapetosaurus would be good choices for Madagascar rep. They are from a formation coming to the game soon, and are rather unique from other animals in the game (Not to mention they come from a rather neglected continent).

[waxen grail]

True

[late swallow]

Pls giv majung

And beelzebufo is a king

[waxen grail]

Animals from the Ischigualasto (Somehow got that first try) Formation would be a good choice for additional Triassic rep and also South American rep.

[austere sparrow]

People request Rapetosaurus a lot; does it have anything going for it other than the novelty of being from Madagascar?

[hollow furnace]

not really

[austere sparrow]

Dinosaur games are too often scared to commit to non-dinosaurs (unless they are literally just bigger modern reptiles) so your choices are Small Theropod, Tiny Theropod, "Hypsilophodon but as a Saurischian", and 'Prosauropods' (provided their existence wasn't forgotten about)

Maybe Silesaurs will eventually join them once they leave the limbo of being only maybe dinosaurs

Placerias, Postosuchus, Desmatosuchus? Not a Dracohor, disgusting, get that shit out of my sight - Dinosaur game devs

[waxen grail]

South America seems to be good for Triassic Formations.

[austere sparrow]

It is!

Too bad North America has many similar animals and gets all the media spotlight so good luck getting anything from there

[waxen grail]

The Kem Kem Group seems like a good formation for Cretaceous Africa.

Glacialisaurus would go well with Cryolophosaurus.
Antarctopelta, Imperobator, and Morrosaurus would be good for Antarctic rep too.

[austere sparrow]

Pretty sure you just listed every single Antarctic dinosaur?

Well, named ones, anyway

No wait, not Trinisaura. Fuck you in particular, Trinisaura.

Okay actually they have quite a slight number of birds, too, actually. hm

[waxen grail]

Trinisaura would be good too

Why do polar Dinosaurs almost all have to be indeterminate!

[austere sparrow]

Something to do with either lacking material or being members of barely discovered groups

[left spear]

I have another antartica pick

Antarctamax, super fucking out there i know but i think It would be a fun mini

Super basal Archosauromorph

1.2-1.5 meters long

[toxic oriole]

Was it found on Mainland Antarctica?

[left spear]

On a mountain range no less

[toxic oriole]

Well then

Adding that to a Mainland Antarctica DLC ideas list

[winter willow]

I assume the game will at some point receive a visit from Mr Barry Onyx?

[smoky spear]

mau said it

[slim flare]

It’s confirmed

Probably U18

[prisma portal]

I should specify only the males have the "eyebrows feathers" females don't have em

[sharp dock]

Ornitholestes would have been so much cooler....

funny lil guy

[austere sparrow]

The Isle can add as many stupid reconstructions as they want, they will not stop the JP Raptor and MonHun Tenontosaurus from looking out of place

[steep tulip]

Was mainly referring to the tail fan tbh
That's just pennaceous feathers, highly doubt ornithischians had them

[low bridge]

4 updates to go

[lean hound]

probably something similar to the way jw dinosaurs are

[late swallow]

Be nice to my little comb-necked idiot

[late swallow]

This thing looks Seussian

[waxen grail]

JW Dinosaurs are meant to have used actual Dinosaurs DNA.
If the Isle’s “Dinosaurs” use any Dinosaurs DNA, it comes from modern birds.

[low bridge]

Pachyrhinosaurus is for me overrated

Idk if Devs gonna add Regaliceratops, Kosmoceratops, Wendiceratops

They are not that recognised like fellow Pachyrhinosaurus

[waxen grail]

I like Pachyrhino

[quick ore]

Isn't this a species suggestion thread? Why are you talking about how you don't like Pachyrhino?

[austere sparrow]

Pachyrhinosaurus is already ingame what

🤔 Folks do you think the devs will add Tah-bow-saw-rus to the game dondi? I hope not I do not like Tah-bow-saw-rus pls do not add it to the game dondi I do not think it would be a great fit for the ~~ 🏝️ ~~ Prehistoric Kingdom dondi

...Okay that post is probably incomprehensible if you don't get the niche-ass-reference just ignore me

[steep tulip]

Honest reaction

[quick ore]

sorry I made a typo

[low bridge]

I don't ever said that i don't like Pachyrhinosaurus 😵‍💫

[austere sparrow]

Here

[low bridge]

Not real,for me something overrated is that i barely use in game 🤷

[quick ore]

and again my point is, why say that at all in this channel?

what's the point?

[low bridge]

Point is that other centrosaurine exist and Pachyrhino is on 1st place since there are more interesting centrosaurinae that should not be skipped ehh

Eh nevermind i don't have brain to this

[inner wedge]

does he know?

[low bridge]

Pachyrhino is all above more interesting centrosaurinae

Regali, Diabloceratops,Kosmo, Wendiceratops, Medusaceratops

They should be more recognised like old classic Pachyrhinosaurus

[glass urchin]

Add me to the game

[low bridge]

As Statue?

[glass urchin]

Nah I want to be an exhibit

[fiery crow]

Arsinotherium
Castoroides
Coryphodon
Josephoartigasia
Moeritherium

Cretoxyrhina
Dunkleosteus
Helicoprion
Leedsichthys

Boverisuchus
Meiolania
Quinkana
Varanus priscus

Koolasuchus
Mastodonsaurus
Prionosuchus

Aegirocassis
Cameroceras
Jaekelopterus

[toxic oriole]

Cretoxyrhina? YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAA!!!
(Chances are it might happen IF the game itself does well after POST EA)

(Aquatics and Fliers)

[late swallow]

Yeah Diablo is right there

[sharp plinth]

I lowkey cant wait for quetz (if it's on the roadmap) or literally any other azdharchid like cryo or arambo

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-quetzalcoatlus-t-rex-tyrannosaurus-rex-fighting-gif-630618273116416890

Rex vs quetz face-off would be cool to see

[hollow furnace]

So far full exhibit fliers are not confirmed, but if/when they come I’d be shocked if we don’t get Quetz

[late swallow]

I don't doubt quetz to be more likely, but I feel Hatzeg or Thana would be cooler

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-wrong-oscar-the-grouch-ding-dong-gif-25943635

[hollow furnace]

Quetz and Hateg are distinct and popular enough we would get both and Thanato is not very interesting

[silver steeple]

You can't do azhdarchids without the single most popular one being first

That's like adding Tarbo or Das before Tyrannosaurus

[feral cedar]

Quetz is popular and has 2 distinctly sized species

it’s prime material for PK

[late swallow]

I like him :[

[hollow furnace]

You can like him, but there's not much in particular to like and there's nothing that really makes it better than Quetz

[feral cedar]

I will now always name my Baryonyx Bartholomew Onyx, thanks

[hollow furnace]

I have plenty of glupposhittosaurs I like that I know there are better options then haha

[austere sparrow]

If we get a "small" Azhdarchid it should really be the most complete one Since realistically that's what most Azhdarchid recons are based on

[flint sable]

very fitting name for the average british citizen

in my opinion anyway

wonky teeth, fish diet, and even built in knives

[austere sparrow]

If we start validating fragmentary animals with cringeass names, junior paleontologists will never stop

[hollow furnace]

Yeah, Q. lawsoni would honestly be more exciting for me then northopi (though both good and great alts)

[austere sparrow]

Considering how many glupshitto Azhdarchids of the same general size range exist I think I'd prefer lawsoni being the main species instead of northropi

Could just have them as color-adjusted background extras for any random Maastrichtian Formation themed area

[hollow furnace]

WWD2025:

[austere sparrow]

Lol

[late swallow]

Questions

Where did the term "gluppshitto" come from

[flint sable]

I think it originated in Star Wars

[fresh ember]

Basically, it started out as a term used to describe obscure, but ultimately irrelevant Star Wars characters.

[flint sable]

since Star Wars is absolutely filled with gluppshittos

[late swallow]

It sure was

10/10 word

[inland sierra]

Don't want to throw too much on the team with marine and aerial giants, nor do I think we should, so as much I'd love an elasmosaur or a Quetzalcoatlus, I won't ask for one.
I'm aware a couple of these are already very much confirmed but I will state them regardless, if only to stress it further or compliment the choice. So all those I feel would better benefit the roster given the state it's currently at, so to well represent the the wonder of paleontology as well as the stages our planet went through (in regards to fauna as I'm not nearly as familiar with:

Paleozoic
-Tiktaalik (I saw the roadmap and am very glad you're including it. "The missing link to end all others" will be a very fun addition).
-Trilobites (Could maybe be part of the new exhibits if aquarium types are available or serve to populate lakes and such without scaring guests; not necessarily for petting mechanics but just for guests to have a closer look)
-Haikouichthys and/or Anomalocaris (again, if small aquariums enter the picture)
-Brontoscorpio (could make for a good amphibious species)
-Arthropleura (to me, the top arthropod to ads. Bugs are rarely given as much spotlight as they should, and this one is too cool to pass up; the other two insects from the Prehistoric Park episode could also complement it well but I defend this one's the real must)
-Dimetrodon (too iconic not to have)
-Inostrancevia (Appears to have grown a humble fandom off the Primeval and Walking With series, and I'd say the more permian creatures, the better. Skutasaurus could also be a great accompaniment)
-Diictodon (cute lil permian boy)

Mesozoic
-Gallimimus (I think I might prefer the Ornithomimus but, since you're already adding one, I honestly don't see much of a point in wasting a spot on the other)
-Postosuchus and/or Placerias (Triassic has a reputation of being under-representated. The addition of any of these could at least combat that a bit)
-Carnotaurus (my favorite carnivore so I might be biased, but I feel his iconic status also does enough to justify it)
-Stegosaurus (Too iconic. The game feels lacking without a stegosaur)
-Pachycephalosaurus, dracorex, or stygimoloch (for the pachycephalosaur niche)
-Deinosuchus (or a Sarcosuchus, simply to have a crocodilian and more animals with a closer relation to water)
-Theryzinosaurus (I feel it's too weird to pass up)
-Koolasuchus and Beelzebufo (for the amphibian niche)
-Utahraptor (a fix for those who arrive craving larger raptors)
-Oviraptor (a fantastic addition I honestly wouldn't have prioritized, but seeing it confirmed made it all click)
Cenozoic
-Eohippus (to have small mammals as well)
-Deinotherium (an absolutely nightmarish elephant to complement the mammoth's majesty)
-Megatherium (An iconic and beloved mammal, and among the few of those capable of competing with dinos in regards to scale. A no brainer).
-Doedicurus (Effectively a mammal ankylosaurus. A parallel that would help bridge the proverbial eras in a fun way for those still getting into paleontology)
-Entelodon (Ugly bastard with the ability to add some real edge to the roster)
-Phorusrhacus or Gastornis. (Ignoring dinos, it'd be good to have actual birds and these two are as good as they get. Elephant birds would also be great, but only after the addition of a carnivorous one)
-Australopithecus (Humans in cages could provoke some real interesting emotions and conversations out of the players. If said emotions aren't ideal however, it'd still be good to have at least another primate like maybe the Gigantopithecus)

Holocene
The dodo and the Thylacine could also be fantastic to show examples of the Holocene extinction, but I understand if you'd prefer sticking to actual prehistoria.

At last: live feeders: chickens, goats, maybe even cows, and different varieties of small fish (these also serving as decor). Not for the roster but still worth stressing. I'm not looking for a JWE clone, at all (the opposite, really), but this seems, to me, like a must once the hunting mechanics are implemented.

[hollow furnace]

Glupposhitto came from a tumblr post about how star wars fans will get super excited about finding out about these random extended universe or irrelevant characters showing up in movies

[austere sparrow]

? Plateosaurus is already ingame

[inland sierra]

Lmao, u're right. Don't think I've used it yet so I totally forgot. Tnx

Already removed it from the list

[feral cedar]

dude

You’ve got good suggestions but unfortunately the dinosaurs are not “suggestions” LMAO

[flint sable]

for the mesozoic, a good 3/4 of the ones you have listed are probably coming if not direcly confirmed already

[feral cedar]

Gallimimus has a website render, Oviraptor and Stegosaurus are known from concept art, Utahraptor was teased by Mau

[silver steeple]

Most are already confirmed lol

[flint sable]

the only ones that arent are Postosuchus, Koolosuchus and Therizinosaurus

[late swallow]

Eohippus is certainly a good pick tho

I want sarco

[inland sierra]

Yeah, Im very out of the convo unless it's directly accessible through their website. Was only aware of confirmation of those that already have official art on the roadmap, and I did also hear something about the stego. Those ones I mentioned cause, heck, why not. Super glad to hear the majority are as good as in already though.

But about the paleozoic ones? What're the deets on those?

I onow of the tiktaalik but I'm very used to that time period being discarded outright so Im curious of the rest

[inland sierra]

Chairman Mao confirmed the Utahraptor? Based

[silver steeple]

We have basically nothing on Paleozoics atm

Just TikTak and an unknown Permian animal

[flint sable]

Dimetrodon is confirmed to be coming after full game launch at some point, and Diictodon was originally likely planed for Update 16 but was ultimately scrapped and replaced with something else that is still not known

there is an unknown Paleozoic also coming at some point in EA as Boigotbooped said, the current consensus is that it is the "Arboreal Lizard" Mau hinted at for U16

[inland sierra]

Only after full game? Yeah, that tells me permian really is Not on their list of priorities

Shame

[flint sable]

just for Dimetrodon specifically

[silver steeple]

Specifically permian, not just paleozoic

[flint sable]

theres a permian coming at some point before launch, so 2 paleozoics total

[flint sable]

mb

[inland sierra]

Better than nothing ig

[flint sable]

technically thats the minimum, but I highly doubt we will be getting more during EA

[inland sierra]

The inclusion of tikitikiki of all species, and so early, made me think maybe the priorities would be a bit more spread out than just 90% mezo, 9% ceno, 1% hopes and dreams

[flint sable]

unfortunately not atm

[inland sierra]

With the most iconic one being confirmed after release, yeah, I also doubt it

[flint sable]

in my ideal world personally, it would be about 70% mesozoic, 20% cenozoic, and 10% paleozoic

[flint sable]

I mean, at least its confirmed

its actually one of very few animals directly confirmed for after EA

[inland sierra]

Oh well, as long as the game comes out and the devs don't go nuts with overwork, all else is secondary

[inland sierra]

Something like that for me as well. Maybe mezo 60, ceno 25, paleo 15

[low bridge]

Cenozoic should be 45

Or 50

So many good picks

[sharp plinth]

Forgive me, but it would kinda just be like 50% quetz

[late swallow]

Are you speaking size or restoration

[sharp plinth]

Size

Pk neoteny

[late swallow]

That would be Q. lawsoni

[sharp plinth]

True ig

They would add both species

[left spear]

Only 20% Ceno? Even putting mammals aside that's still a lot of cool shit you're missing

[flint sable]

I was going with half optimisim half realism

[left spear]

Idk mine would be 45% Meso, 35% Ceno, 20% Paleo.

[flint sable]

optimistically 30% or more for mammals, but theres no denying that dinosaurs are like

1000% the stars of the show

and the games biggest moneymaker

adding something like giga is gonna make more money than adding something like Homotherium

[left spear]

Actually the money makers are the guests, dinos are the star bait

[flint sable]

no moneymakers for the developer team

[left spear]

i mean tbh i don't think either should be in the gane

[flint sable]

putting giga in a DLC down the line is gonna make more money than a homotherium

[flint sable]

I dont think either would be good at the moment either, just a quick example I could think of

[left spear]

Well i Guess an argument could be made for Homo, but Giga nah get out of here.

Wait this is species

Idk why i thought this was discussion lol

[low bridge]

I think that Deinosuchus needs 2 species

[left spear]

Eh, the other Deino species are very fragmentary

Ig the one from appalachia would be interesting

But really It could go either way without much repercussion

[glass snow]

giga will exist purely to sell dlc.

it is the dlc fodder animal

the headliner

[left spear]

The lameliner

[glass snow]

I don’t really want it

but I imagine it is coming

Just because it is one of the few animals that has a good headliner name recog.

[late swallow]

We have better Carcharodontosaurids already

Fat Joe and the Eponym

[glass snow]

yes that is why I imagine giga would only come as a dlc headliner

Conca is the way better third carch

[late swallow]

Absofruitly

[low bridge]

Accurate

[late swallow]

Gotta name an acro Fat Joe now

[left spear]

Give Conc an altispinax alt

[late swallow]

I'm on fire

[slim flare]

At least Quetz has name recognition, has a second rather complete species and might have lived with species in game

[hollow furnace]

Hateg at least has a very wide skull and (depending how willing you are to refer material) very robust neck compared to other azhdarchids (although I guess we don't have any cranial or neck material from Thanatos so who knows maybe it did too)

[slim flare]

Probably the most stripped-down full-exhibit pterosaur roster you can do while hitting every base:
Quetz both species
Pteranodon both species
Tropeognathus
Tupandactylus both species
Rhamphorhynchus

[steep tulip]

I have been told hatze has more undescribed material
Also doesn't thanatosdrakon have a smaller more complete specimen

[hollow furnace]

probably

[steep tulip]

Not trying to say we should have it in the game

[steep tulip]

Didn't notice its in this pic too lol
But this probably among the more complete we have, which is a bit sad

[winter willow]

The game already has my favourite ceratopsid, but Chasmosaurus, Torosaurus and Pentaceratops all seem like good potential includes. Really, the Ceratopsids have so many charismatic and iconic members

[silver steeple]

Maybe for a dlc or something

[winter willow]

Gigantospinosaurus and Gigantoraptor maybe?

[silver steeple]

I think we have a fine amount of ceratopsids til after launch

[winter willow]

I mean, on the on hand yes. On the other hand, three of them are Pachyrhinosaurii

[steep tulip]

Compared to hadrosaurs and especially thyreophorans, ceratopsians are more than well represented in the game with 6 different genera, and 11 different species

[winter willow]

It could just have Styracosaurus and I’d be fine TBH. Like I said, it’s just a case of there being so many charismatic ones

[silver steeple]

2, assuming styraco is actually within Pachyrhinosaurini

I'm going to assume you meant centrosaurinae

[winter willow]

No I mean as in there are three different Pachyrhinosauruses. I’m still just waking up

So me word not English good yet

[silver steeple]

Yeah that's how alt species work

There's 3 separate species of Camara too

No one uses that to say there's too many sauropods lol

[late swallow]

Holotype (top) believed juvenile or subadult. Paratype (bottom) is just a humerus

[glass snow]

You can hatzeg has way more robust theropod like bones. Wider neck vertebrate and thanatos has a second way more complete specimen.

thanatos is like one of the most complete azhdarchids doesn’t mean it is going to be added

hatzeg as far as we know has weird proportions

[waxen grail]

Alt species (or genera) don’t use as much resources as a completely distinct animal/slot (Idk what to call it). Alts are pretty much different skins but with a different model (Also have different stats and names and stuff). It’s easier to include three species of Pachyrhinosaurus than it is to include three separate genera (Ceratopsians usually don’t have alt genera in game). Also allows us to have different species and similar Dinosaurs that wouldn’t make it into the game otherwise.

[winter willow]

Oh I understand that. This is an amazing game made by a small team. So I get that alts enable more content without adding undue time requirements. It wasn’t a criticism, though I apologise if I came across that way. I have a bad habit of less than tactful bluntness.

[austere sparrow]

People keep talking about dinosaurs being money makers, but honestly?
That seems like a good reason, once we have the basics covered, to restrict dinosaurs to DLC thereafter and use Cenozoic, Paleozoic, and Triassic weirdos to expand the roster instead

Like, JWE with their stupid-ass amount of animals exists. PK is not coming out top dog in the dinosaur department. Catering to people interested in Prehistory at large is probably the better choice, and those folks usually enjoy being introduced to new interesting weirdos

[sharp sable]

yeah

i think we should get some fillers like saurolophus, tenonto, hadrosaurus, or smth like this

also shantungosaurus

or olorotitan

[open heron]

They should use dinosaurs to push DLCs with otherwise more interesting concepts

[sharp sable]

or some alt species

[austere sparrow]

That probably too

[open heron]

They could sell people basically anything in a South American DLC so long as they slap Giganotosaurus on it, and it'd be the easiet animal ever to add too.

[sharp sable]

good idea

rly

maybe even stick kosmoceratops

to n/a dlc

[austere sparrow]

I keep dreaming up an alternate timeline where PK is a semi-educational game that introduces people to new animals they've never heard of but realistically that's only true for people who aren't already into dinosaurs

Although some of the minis seem to be changing that up

...The upcoming ones, I mean. If you are a dino textbook regular it's hard to miss Archae and Microraptor

[sharp sable]

i mean... if ur a 7y/o maybe you didnt know 'bout torvo or like idk nasuto or smth

[austere sparrow]

Yeah lol I mean. I think in tiers, right?
Normal people know T.rex, Triceratops, and maybe Velociraptor and Brontosaurus
Jurassic Park Fans know, well, stuff that appears in Jurassic Park for sufficient stretches of time (probably not obscure shite like Segisaurus and Metriacanthosaurus tho)
Documentary and Textbook kids know stuff like Amargasaurus, Ouranosaurus, the likes - this is basically the level PK is at, currently
Wikipedia and Literature crawlers finally are likely to know everything the last tier does and also assorted further weirdos that are legit interesting but have yet to make it to either media or the textbook Zeitgeist; stuff like Drepanosaurus and Shringasaurus and Nimravus

...I guess realistically all including animals from the last tier in PK does is move them up a tier but like. idk

Thus far the inclusions from the last tier are more or less restricted to alt species. Juxia, Sinotherium, maybe Charonosaurus? But also like, this is realistically the main tier you can reasonably expect to be able to appreciate the differences between the different species ingame

Like uh. P. cristatus versus P. walkeri

[open heron]

The least famous dinosaur in the game rn is still probably Torvosaurus and I have to imagine it will stay that way for a long while.

Maybe Mutta exceeds it but that's it.

[austere sparrow]

Yeah, it's either Torvosaurus or Scelidosaurus

Muttaburrasaurus was in WWD it's definitely a slightly higher fame tier

[open heron]

Nah Scelido I feel would be carried above Torvo by older generations.

[austere sparrow]

Fair point hm 🤔

If you count alt genera maybe Charonosaurus is most obscure. "Ugruunaluk" has had a starring role in a documentary; not by name but like. Tbf the name is dubious so

[sharp sable]

Nah i dont think that ugruunaluk is so popular

maybe juxia, cuz most folks may think its paraceratherium

[open heron]

99.99999% of people don't think juxia period

juxia is like five 'fame tiers' below literally everything else in the game except maybe sinotherium

I guarantee that before it was publicly revealed to be added, the PK dev team made up a sizable portion of the global population who knew what a juxia was to begin with.

[sharp dock]

yeah

I still dont know what juxia is

lole

[austere sparrow]

Yeah I didn't know about Juxia before PK

[sharp dock]

beyond "its a smaller relative of paraceratherium"

[austere sparrow]

Wikipedia is pretty inadequate and unwieldy about extinct mammals

[sharp sable]

yeah

like

[austere sparrow]

Formation pages are missing, and if the group is extant the page centers around the modern members

[open heron]

All I know is that it's a mid-sized ungulate from the eocene

[sharp sable]

anybody an editor here?

Just spend 10min changing the figgin page

[digital pendant]

I dont think whether people knew what a juxia was or not was a basis for its addition lol

Its a great use of the alt system

I dont think the zt2 devs gauged at all public interest when adding stuff like sivatherium and stokesosaurus in that game

Hell even some of the dinosaur alts themselves arent very well known. I dont think the great majority of people gave a shit about P. sibiricus but now its in the game and its a cool alt species

Current pk mammal selection might be small but is definitely very creative on how has been handled. Different interpretations based on cave art, alt species and genera, and individual variation based on current knowledge (mammoths)

[steep tulip]

Devs should definitely do more unknown alts like juxia when they have the chance, I didn't know about it either before it was added to pk, but it's a neat animal all around

[digital pendant]

Its pretty neat. Its basically an okapi rhino but much larger than standard okapi. It lived in a very humid rainforest environment and based on the paleodb, it coexisted with brontotheres and amynodonts (weird rhino cousins with big incisors)

One group of amynodonts were semi aquatic iirc

Metamynodon. This guy lived alongside Megacerops and had an ecology and niche similar to modern hippos.

Metamynodon in particular was BIG

[steep tulip]

Ohhh awesome
I would rather get one of these guys instead of a prehistoric hippo ngl

[digital pendant]

Its a cool lad

[sharp dock]

what the hell is that thing

[sharp dock]

just a guy

[late swallow]

[Ugly]

[steep crane]

Isn’t Thanatosdrakon from older sediments?

[hollow furnace]

yes

[low bridge]

Sivatherium should be premium animal

Same with Bramatherium

[austere sparrow]

What the heck is a premium animal

[hollow furnace]

an animal from before miums

[austere sparrow]

That would be promium

[mint creek]

It's me

I'm the premium animal

[feral cedar]

doesn’t premium imply a postmium

[hollow furnace]

depends on if the mium has died yet

[low bridge]

Paid

[late swallow]

like, individually paid, or as part of a paid dlc pack

[austere sparrow]

I mean, I could see them selling as part of a pack? Would probably want some dinosaurs in it, too, tho

[mint creek]

You must pay the PK devs $1 everytime you add a Sivatherium to your park

[late swallow]

yeah, i wanted to see how EZ stood, because the 1st is Electronic Arts predatory, while the second is a standard business model for games like this

[sharp dock]

Tf is a premium animal

[late swallow]

he literally said right here m8

[sharp dock]

Ah idk i just read that part and wrote the comment lol

[late swallow]

it be like that early in the morning lol

[runic tiger]

Thought this was chilotherium for a second

[steep crane]

So my guess for the two yet to be revealed dino minis - Aquilops and some small theropod.

[low bridge]

Paid Dlc pack

Eh Sivatherium with Bramatherium, Discokeryx, hmm and maybe Samotherium in one simple paid Dlc pack with only giraffes but idk lolll

[quick ore]

Do you seriously think that they would do a dlc pack specifically for giraffes

[austere sparrow]

If they did do a DLC pack specifically for giraffes and limited themselves to only the four EZ could think of off the top of his head I would actively riot lmfao

Not even Procranioceras of Past-Concept-art-fame? Disgusting

Okay double checked, apparently the Dromomerycids are not actually giraffes, and only resemble them convergently, but like. Fucking still

[low bridge]

Everything is possible

[austere sparrow]

Is it, tho?

[low bridge]

Devs maked fellow future updates greater than before so everything is possible

💯

[austere sparrow]

I mean it's like. I guess I wouldn't mind a Giraffe DLC. But I also feel like grouping similar animals together is probably the worst way to do DLC

Like. Make a Giraffe DLC, giraffe fans will buy it, mammal fans and fans of animals that lived with/ate those giraffes might buy it, and completionists will buy it but those are along for the ride either way.
Package the giraffes in separate packs, like idk, a Grasslands and an Africa pack, and you get individual group fans buying more packs without feeling (or being) ripped off

And that's assuming we get more than like, one giraffe lol

And you also get like. Rugops or Brontothere or whatever fans also buying the packs with one giraffe in it and like. Getting to enjoy an animal they otherwise wouldn't bother with

Maybe gain a new fave if they're lucky

[left spear]

Why would we need more giraffes besides Sivatherium and obviously whooly giraffe

[austere sparrow]

...Similar animals grouped together is okay for alt genera/species, I would say, tho. Hence spreading the giraffes across two packs since three of your four suggestions are reasonable alts of each other.

Since when is there a wooly giraffe?

[low bridge]

Sivatherium+Bramatherium alt and dome headed giraffe Discokeryx should be fine

[low bridge]

To finish giraffe roster once for all

True reason

[left spear]

Okay yeah i forgot about Disco cool Guy

[austere sparrow]

Discokeryx < Tapinocephalus

[low bridge]

Barinasuchus and Kaprosuchus (boar croc) should be good in game

[quick ore]

EZ, think about this. The devs aren't even certain if the game will sell well enough after launch to support future dlc besides the recently extinct animal dlc. Do you honestly think that they would devote an entire dlc pack, a dlc pack which may only be one of less than 5 or so that they could even have the resources to make, to just giraffes out of the multitudes of other options available to them? DLC packs need to be able to sell well, and Sivatherium would certainly be a selling point, but do you wholeheartedly believe that a majority of people would be happy that the devs decided to add a bunch of giraffe species out of all the options they have for dlc pack themes?

Don't you think it is many times more likely that they would theme a dlc pack to showcasing animals from a certain location or time period, or perhaps a much more popular group such as theropods, rather than randomly choose a giraffe dlc pack?

[austere sparrow]

Having a designated Theropod pack (over spreading them around) would still be a waste, but at least less of a questionable financial decision than something like a giraffe pack lol

[quick ore]

yeah my point exactly

[austere sparrow]

I definitely do want giraffes (and wouldn't mind multiple) but if a Giraffe pack happens, I'm eating a modern one

[quick ore]

and at least theropods are actually diverse enough to have a dlc of say, 4 species that don't resemble each other that much

[austere sparrow]

I mean, might not be the case if you also account for basegame species

[quick ore]

fair enough

[austere sparrow]

Like. Hm. What would a fully unique Theropod DLC look like. 🤔

[quick ore]

in any case, I doubt a theropod pack, nor any pack themed to any particular clade, would happen

[steep tulip]

Nah there's a lot of theropods not covered

[low bridge]

Theropods sounds better than giraffes

[austere sparrow]

Gigantoraptor, Ceratosaurus, Majungasaurus, Chilesaurus, Avimimus

Theropod DLC

[steep tulip]

Noasaurs, pelecanimimus, concavenator, austroraptor

[steep tulip]

Yeah

[austere sparrow]

Damn that's funny we didn't even have genera overlap

[steep tulip]

Megaraptors too

But like a theropod dlc way too generic

[austere sparrow]

Oh I guess those also exist yeah

Yeah deffo

[low bridge]

Real theropod dlc: Rugops, Rajasaurus,Maip,Tyrannotitan

[quick ore]

yeah exactly

[steep tulip]

I prefer more specific bundles

[austere sparrow]

Hell, if Swimmers are in, Hesperonis is a shoe-in

[quick ore]

you chose 2 abelisaurs out of all theropods

[austere sparrow]

Damn, two Abelisaurs, Knockoff Carch and one actually unique choice

[quick ore]

that too

Tyrannotitan would be a waste of a slot

[austere sparrow]

Tyrannotitan Such a bad animal it didn't even get into JWE, despite the awesomebrobait name

[quick ore]

"awesomebrobait" lmao

[low bridge]

Fixed Theropod dlc: Concavenator,Maip, Majungasaurus,Mapusaurus

[austere sparrow]

I guess that's better but Mapusaurus is still a Carch knockoff

[quick ore]

I would throw a bird in there

[austere sparrow]

And it getting in over fellow Carch knockoff Giganotosaurus feels whack

[quick ore]

no reason why you wouldn't if this is theropods only

[austere sparrow]

Birb :3

Gastornis or Dromornis, holy shit. No other Theropod has quite the same vibes

[quick ore]

same with something that would have a unique diet like Mononykus

[austere sparrow]

Mononykus 🥺

[left spear]

Uhhh Beipiao, Conc, Gigantoraptor, Maip and uhhhhhhh Sinosauropteryx?

[quick ore]

those are solid choices

[left spear]

Actually replace Sino with Bonapartenykus

[austere sparrow]

Yeah that's a good selection right there

If the devs went for Beipi as the token Therizinosaur I would be the happy

[left spear]

Eh this was assuming Theri is post EA base game

[austere sparrow]

Feels like it's either the most scientifically important Therizinosaur, or like, at least in the top five

Also feels like we might just get it as a singular alt to some other Therizinosaur due to known colors lol

[left spear]

I mean ontogeny would be really fun with the juveniles being essentially porcupines

[austere sparrow]

Although I believe they're limited to the back so you still have some playing room I guess

[low bridge]

Maip, Qianzhousaurus,Duonychus, Concavenator

[austere sparrow]

Other most important Therizinosaurs, in my opinion, are Alxasaurus (for completeness) and Segnosaurus (for being the first one)

[austere sparrow]

Mostly good but Qianzhousaurus and Concavenator are p similar in size 🤔

[silver steeple]

So what

[late swallow]

2 of these i would want

[silver steeple]

They couldn't be more different otherwise lol

[late swallow]

Qianzhousaurus i could take or leave

[tidal estuary]

maybe a dlc doesnt have to just include just 4 animal

[low bridge]

Two different theropods size doesn't matter

[austere sparrow]

Weren't they both generalist carnivores? With Conc being able to hunt larger stuff, maybe? Gameplay wise they'd be pretty similar

P sure they'd both be shrubland animals too

Anatomically they're very different, yes

[quick ore]

Lemme try:
-Australovenator
-Mononykus
-Nothronychus
-Phorusrhacos

[late swallow]

Austral my beloved

[austere sparrow]

Lol, yeah, I guess that's probably even more diverse than what I suggested earlier

[late swallow]

i just want my 3 ovenators

call me the Ovenator-inator

[silver steeple]

Qianzhousaurus lived in a dustbowl

[austere sparrow]

Only commonalities I can think of at all there is maybe shared biomes

[silver steeple]

Definitely not scrubland lol

[austere sparrow]

Aren't the American Dustbowls shrublands?

[silver steeple]

The entire Nanxiong was aridified by the effects of the Deccan Traps in India

No, they were dried grasslands whose soils were overworked by farmers

But that's also not what I was referring to

[austere sparrow]

Good, I was about to ask if you were suggesting that dinosaurs invented agriculture

[quick ore]

did Nothronychus not live in forests?

what was its formation like

[silver steeple]

Anyway

[austere sparrow]

I mean, I'm pretty sure it did, but I believe the same was true for Austroraptor...? Although I guess Austro would probably be "tropical" by PK standards instead

[silver steeple]

Qianzhousaurus, at least in the layers it was found in, lived in harsh desert

I'm talking nearly Death Valley levels of heat

There's some evidence to say that prior to the aridification it was more forested

[austere sparrow]

Qianzhousaurus dying from drowning the second it sees a single shrub be like:

[silver steeple]

What

[austere sparrow]

But yeah I guess that's neat

Do we have a desert-only animal already?

[quick ore]

Has anyone compiled a list of the confirmed and suspected species coming to the game? And, if so, could they be divided into which continents they represent? It would be good to see which continent is most likely and needed to get further representation in a future pack

[austere sparrow]

Joke

[quick ore]

and location packs are cool because they can take species from across time

[silver steeple]

Conca for reference lived in a wetland

So yeah couldn't be more different environments lol

[austere sparrow]

Damn. I could have sworn I saw paleoart of it in shrublands

...Tho then again. I guess that's not like.

[silver steeple]

I mean you could have, doesn't make it correct

[austere sparrow]

Necessarily accurate.

[silver steeple]

The press art for Qianzhousaurus has it in a conifer dominant forest

[austere sparrow]

Rude of formations to not continue to have the exact same biome as they did in the far past

[austere sparrow]

Hm, I don't think so? But I believe the Confirmed list isn't particularly long

[silver steeple]

I have a confirmed list I can share

Give me a moment to dig it up

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rhudb0h7BNgdUQBwvqusdYEbzNa8EIfhRiEx7R0AoIY/edit?pli=1&gid=0#gid=0

Here ya go

[quick ore]

Isn't it funny how much Ceratopsids are synonymous with dinosaurs and the late cretaceous as a whole when they were all but entirely restricted to Laramidia? It would be like if kangaroos were seen as quintessential holocene mammals and inserted into anything involving cenozoic mammals

[austere sparrow]

To be fair they should be they're fucking whack

[flint sable]

Tiktaalik and Yi arent in U16 for whatever reason

and Oviraptor isnt in U15 either

[silver steeple]

Yeah idk why he put them there

I'll ask in a moment

[silver steeple]

Where were these confirmed for U16 btw, cause it's not noted in the devlog

[inland sierra]

The roadmap

https://trello.com/b/JAp8HMuy/prehistoric-kingdom-public-roadmap

[silver steeple]

Thanks

I didn't remember them being there the last time I checked

[buoyant zephyr]

Do we think invertebrates will be limited to terrariums?

Theyre difficult to implement

[silver steeple]

He's updating the spreadsheet now

[silver steeple]

I'd be shocked if they weren't

[steep tulip]

^

[austere sparrow]

I'd assume they will be at the very least until we get aquatics

[steep tulip]

Also this

[buoyant zephyr]

Assuming we get them

[hollow furnace]

Very likely, aside from potentially some aquatics

[austere sparrow]

I would be disappointed if we didn't get any large ammonites and Sea scorpions with aquatics

[steep tulip]

Eurypterids could work well in lagoons

[austere sparrow]

Yeah 😭

[steep tulip]

Or whatever system they gonna use for aquatics

[silver steeple]

Well Ammonite babies just look like little ammonites

[austere sparrow]

Since semi-aquatics are apparently a go that should work for. Some Eurypterids.

[flint sable]

really hope they dont go with a lagoon for most stuff

[silver steeple]

So that would be simple

Idk about eurypterids tho

[flint sable]

since in IRL zoos aquariums are alot more common than large lagoons

[steep tulip]

Pulmonoscorpius could technically work for normal exhibit, but even then it's too small

I think

[buoyant zephyr]

Was brontoscorpio valid?

[austere sparrow]

Ngl I have never seen a lagoon in a zoo

[steep tulip]

Its like a tip of a claw

Not worth adding imo

[flint sable]

ye

[austere sparrow]

Unless you count Hippos/Croc Aquariums without underwater viewing

[steep tulip]

Do seal pools count

[flint sable]

its only ever for cetaceans or pinnipeds usually, and even then theres always underwater veiwing

[steep tulip]

Closest thing I saw to a lagoon

[flint sable]

something like the lagoon for the Mosasaurus in JW just doesnt exist IRL

[hollow furnace]

Pretty sure juvenile eurypterids just look like small adults as well

[austere sparrow]

Feel like you could do a system similar to the Lagoon snapping, but like. Square. For Aquariums. Assuming swimming doesn't work out

[buoyant zephyr]

I actually wonder how nests would work now with flyers, aquatics, amphibians and full exhibit invertebrates

[steep tulip]

Nests for eryops is just a pool

[austere sparrow]

My vote for Eurypterids is to use the mammal pregnancy system and keep a bunch of babies on their back. Bcuz cute. Feel free to tell me if that's inaccurate I guess

[steep tulip]

This me being delusional btw

Majority of amphibians gonna be special exhibit so no nest like full exhibit ones

[austere sparrow]

Amphibian Kingdom, manifestation beam

[hollow furnace]

Fliers are probably just going to use regular nests, amphibians (assuming we get full exhibit amphibians in the first place) could have a unique pool nest shape (could use the same basic nest and just have a different end model), aquatics will probably have unique “breeding beds” like mammals, just aquatic

[austere sparrow]

Kelp beds? 🤔

[hollow furnace]

Like maybe a gravel bed or something similar, and they have an animation where they rest at the surface overtop its position and give birth there

[buoyant zephyr]

I just forgot about fish

[buoyant zephyr]

Maybe this could work for them too

Except with them laying eggs

[inland sierra]

would rather have an arthropleura walking about but sadly I think they might be terrarrium exclusive, yes

[austere sparrow]

Gravel beds for egg layers, Kelp beds for live birthers?

[austere sparrow]

I mean, they might give the Terrarrium Arthro really impressive animations, at least? Fingers crossed?

[outer moth]

Perhaps there's an easier solution
A breeding bouy
Wherever it is, live birthers will birth there

[inland sierra]

My fingers are so crossed they might break

[outer moth]

It's not exactly accurate to put kelp in say, a mosasaur or pliosaur habitat

But a bouy even marks where they breed

[flint sable]

mhm

[austere sparrow]

Oh. Yeah okay Zoo Tycoon 2 nostalgia blinded me to the realismitude 😔

[flint sable]

large marine mammals and pinneped habitats are almost usually entirely barren

except for occasionally faux rocks, but almost never plants

[outer moth]

(Could even mark habitats containing carnivorous species and herbivorous species depending on who has been selected to use the bouy)

[steep tulip]

Stuff like archelon might be trickier
I forgot did notho lay egg? I think it didn't

[buoyant zephyr]

Honestly, I don't know if any Invertebrates would have breeding in the first place, the babies might be too small to animate

So maybe no nests if some of them are full exhibits (doubt)

[steep tulip]

Babies are already a little grown when they hatch

Or are birthed

Like ursus cubs probably would have been half blind and a fraction of the size of the ones we have ingame rn

[buoyant zephyr]

Yeah but I don't think it would be too big of a difference with them

[outer moth]

Not that tricky, honestly
Just place a nest on an accessible beach

[buoyant zephyr]

Imo

[steep tulip]

So its not that big of a problem imo

[austere sparrow]

Feel like you could add an extra gameplay element of having to hire more staff to collect the babies, and a special fry/larva nursery for raising those animals
Or just have them stay in the nest as a stationary cloud lol

[outer moth]

What would yall's opinions be on mixed-species aquatic habitats?

[steep tulip]

Doubt it will happen
Mostly because all species gonna be fully aquatic

[austere sparrow]

I would definitely want mixed-species Terrariums Aquariums
As for True Exhibits... Probably the same honestly, but only between select species

[steep tulip]

Would have been cool for semi aquatics and full aquatics interactions, but idk
Hearing mau they gonna use a different system for them

[austere sparrow]

We don't really have any mixed species mechanics yet, do we

[inland sierra]

That way we'd be entering actual aquarium territory. All I ask for is decorative fish and the such to breed life into the exhibits

[inland sierra]

what has Mau said?

[outer moth]

I mean, isn't that the point?

[inland sierra]

Yeah, but it makes it far less likely

[steep tulip]

Forgot the wording precisely
But he also said that aquatics gonna be easier than aviary stuff to implement

[outer moth]

Still feels like there needs to be some supply of ambient fish
For freshwater n marine habitats

[steep tulip]

So I imagine they will get their own separate stuff

Aviary species would need to walk on the ground and be able to fly without clipping everywhere

[outer moth]

I feel like ppl might be able to cheese the system to mix aquatic, terrestrial, and aviary species in one habitat

[steep tulip]

Would be cool to see pterosaurs be able to fish in the aquatics modules

Even if its just looped ambient animations

Technically jwe2 could have done it

[outer moth]

Would be cool to see tapajarids fly over theropods or herbivores in the same habitat

That or species like Pterodaustro or Nyctosaurus

Would be neat if habitats n aviaries could mix

But only smaller pterosaurs would really mix with the standalone habitat animals

I have a feeling species like Pteranodon or Quetzalcoatlus would NOT mix with other animals too well

[austere sparrow]

I mean. I could see Pteranodon mixing somewhat with mid-size Herbivores like the mutt or Ouranosaurus

Just make sure to give them space away from their stompy feets

Similar vibes to having vultures in a Mixed Africa exhibit

[outer moth]

Pteranodon would more likely mix with smaller sea-faring pterosaurs more

[austere sparrow]

Although hm. The biomes would likely clash. 🤔

I mean no doubt!

[quick ore]

I think Hibbertopterus would be a great choice as a terrarium animal and a great way to include Eurypterids without having full aquatics in the game

plus it is a very enigmatic species imo

[outer moth]

Pteranodon is hard to mix since it's formation is just O C E A N

[quick ore]

like he is just a big silly guy

[waxen grail]

Honestly I’d be fine if larger Pterosaurs just walked around if flying doesn’t work out.

[quick ore]

no that would be weird

[austere sparrow]

Coastal. We have other coastal species, like, uh...

Was Plateosaurus coastal? 😅

[outer moth]

Nope

It doesn’t work too well

[austere sparrow]

🤷‍♀️ I mean hey, trying to make an ocean-faring species cohab with a landlubber isn't gonna be perfect

[lean hound]

EZ considering something? You’re asking for too much

[outer moth]

Yeah, Pteranodon cohabs better with other seafarers
As long as there’s plenty of nesting ground since I’m pretty sure territoriality is coming eventually

[austere sparrow]

I hope Pteranodon can cohab with Pteranodon sternbergi

Maybe whatever Tropeognathus-thing we get too

[lean hound]

What

Wdym “I hope [genus] can cohab with [genus+species]”

[austere sparrow]

Pteranodon had two species (maybe). Pterandon sternbergi is sometimes given its own genus, Geosternbergia

[lean hound]

Just saying pteranodon is quite confusing

[austere sparrow]

I actually completely can not remember the main species rn otherwise I would have named it, too

I hope Pachycephalosaurus can cohab with Pachycephalosaurus spinnifer 👍

[waxen grail]

I belive it’s P. longiceps? Could be longipes though

[outer moth]

Aquatics n aviaries deserve alts, unlike minis

[austere sparrow]

Ah, looked it up. It's longiceps.

[quick ore]

I honestly don't feel like it is worth speculating too much about fliers and fully aquatics when the dev team seems hesitant that they will ever be possible in game at all, but that's just me

[steep tulip]

The type species is longiceps

💔

[buoyant zephyr]

What does 2L8 mean

[steep tulip]

Too lazy to read the whole convo

[lean hound]

But it’s fun

[austere sparrow]

Too late

2 l8

[buoyant zephyr]

Ahh

[austere sparrow]

Was gonna write out "Late" but didn't wanna get sniped :V

[buoyant zephyr]

I read it as toolateeit

Lol

[austere sparrow]

tool ate it 😔

[waxen grail]

Large Azhdarchids would have spent most of their time on the ground, and would have mostly only flown to travel long distances, so I’d rather they walk around as opposed to have a gigantic aviary thing if free flying animals isn’t possible.

[austere sparrow]

Dimorphodon was also apparently mostly non-flying

Wouldn't mind having it and giving it like. Only a stupid flutter-jump

[buoyant zephyr]

Or being in trees

[steep tulip]

I think dimo works better for terrariums ngl

Or at least

Its one of those pterosaurs that could work with terrariums

[plucky mantle]

Dimorphodon was def more terrestrial than a lot of later Pterosaurs and is small enough to fit IMO

I think Dimorphodon, an Anurognathid, and maybe like, Pterodactylus would be a great set of Pterosaurs for the terrarium

[austere sparrow]

And hey. Tupuxuara/Thalassodromeus could add a novel runner Pterosaur so we can have. Two normal exhibit Pterosaurs. 🥹

[plucky mantle]

I would like to eventually see large full exhibit Pterosaurs obviously but I'm not getting my hopes up. I do think we should at least get a couple Pterosaurs for the terrarium though

[austere sparrow]

If Pteronodon can't make it in, I want something like Ludodactylus as a consolation mini 😔

[steep crane]

Idk but I have a good feeling about Aquilops.

[austere sparrow]

Aquilops is a canon species, so they will probably sell it back to us despite how it should be basegame, with the game releasing after the move - wait, nevermind, wrong game

[steep crane]

In all honesty though Aquilops would be a decent mini.

[austere sparrow]

I guess it wouldn't be completely terrible

Personally I'd probably prefer to have an Asian basal tiny Ceratopsian

But I guess I don't have any specific ones in mind. Koreaceratops, maybe, but that one is too big to be a mini.

I guess the nosehornlet gives Aquilops something special, maybe, so, idk

I dunno tho. Would rather have something with a more pronounced frill, to look more distinct from Psittacosaurus

[silver steeple]

Aquilops is definitely more pronounced than psittaco

[austere sparrow]

More pronounced than Aquilops, Boi.

[low bridge]

Hmm Eremotherium can work as Megatherium alt since they are closely related animals

Just like Juxia to Paraceratherium

[silver steeple]

That's not what you said though

[austere sparrow]

Hm. Aquilops is from Cloverly, so at least it wouldn't further float the North American digsites. Has that going for it

😒

[silver steeple]

"More pronounced to be more different from psittaco" is an equivalent phrase

Like this is pretty obviously different at least

[austere sparrow]

Okay. Bring your eyeballs back up to that image you just shared and look at that frill. Now imagine something with a slightly bigger frill. I hope you understand that that's slightly more distinct from an animal without a frill than a tiny-frilled animal is.

[silver steeple]

You don't have to be rude about it

[austere sparrow]

You were rude about it first

[silver steeple]

I was not

I was saying that you weren't clear in what you were asking for

And simply pointed out that Aquilops has a more prominent headpiece (because psittaco basically has none)

[austere sparrow]

Jesus Christ

[silver steeple]

If you're asking for a ceratopsian that fits as a mini with a large frill there really isn't one

[austere sparrow]

Anyway. What I was thinking of was an animal that has a frill so sufficiently visible that it would clearly show up in a blacked-out silhouette of the animal.

Aquilops is close but. Underwhelming in that regard

[silver steeple]

We have very little that fits the size between Aquilops and say Leptoceratops

Microceratus maybe?

[austere sparrow]

Graciliceratops seems pretty ideal

[silver steeple]

It's like 2ft long

[austere sparrow]

I guess Microceratus might work too

[silver steeple]

Those two seem to be about it

Both about 2-2.5 ft

[austere sparrow]

I mean, three burgers long is longer than Microraptor and Arche, and I'm looking for a mini exhibit animal here

Three to four burgers?

[silver steeple]

If we're getting a mini ceratopsian though I think I'd rather have Aquilops personally

[austere sparrow]

Why's that?

The horn?

[silver steeple]

Just a little guy, more basal than the other ones so it's a neat point in ceratopsian evolution, more unique appearance overall

There's much more to Aquilops than "the horn" (which barely exists in the fossil)

[austere sparrow]

Closer to Psittacosaurus tho?

[silver steeple]

Size won't be as big of a deal for terrariums in the future anyway so I don't see why it matters that much

Beyond of course the qualifier that the animal is simply smaller than 1.5-2m

[silver steeple]

By what metric

[austere sparrow]

Well, glad size isn't a problem then, I suppose

[silver steeple]

I genuinely don't know what you mean by closer in this case

[austere sparrow]

Appearance

[silver steeple]

Not really

Other than being basal bipedal ceratopsians

[austere sparrow]

Aquilops is pretty plump

Similar to Psittacosaurus

Graciliceratops has a different bodytype. More slender

Tho I guess at that point we might as well go for a small Pachycephalosaur instead

[silver steeple]

I mean all ceratopsians are plump

[austere sparrow]

...I do like Wannanosaurus solely for appearing in like, one of my childhood dinosaur books

[silver steeple]

That's like their thing

[hollow furnace]

Aquilops has no known postcrania

[inner wedge]

i like em big

[austere sparrow]

Oh damn rip

[silver steeple]

Also that

[austere sparrow]

If we get sexy schmexy slender Aquilops I'm voting for that

Make it leggier than Lesothosaurus pls

[hollow furnace]

hold aquilops like burgre

[inner wedge]

he looks like a cat full on zaza

[austere sparrow]

I don't think footlong subway sandwiches count as burgers 🤔

[hollow furnace]

all food is burger on this glorious 4th of July

[silver steeple]

Curse you JWR for making good Aquilops art harder to find

True

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

Another reason to add Aquilops

Full blooded murican

[inner wedge]

speaking of what is the most american dinosaur the devs could add

[austere sparrow]

I mean, we already have too many murican dinosaurs

[austere sparrow]

Already added it, Tyrannosaurus

[silver steeple]

Capitalosaurus

[inner wedge]

dinosaurs are murican inventions

[austere sparrow]

Damn someone better tell all those dead brits

[inner wedge]

he's called rex which goes against the very constitution and foundations of the state of america

[austere sparrow]

Looks at recent political events and squints

Anyway, this is the Species Suggestion channel, not the Murricawank channel

[sharp plinth]

We need apatosaurus louisae tbh

We only have ajax

[austere sparrow]

Aquilops isn't bad but I do feel like if we get a small basal Ceratopsian it might make sense to go for an Asian one, since that's where most of them lived

What are the differences between louisae and ajax, again?

[hollow furnace]

Size

[austere sparrow]

I know they're different sizes but

[sharp plinth]

More vertebrae, I think?

On one dunno which

Didnt do my research (yet)

[austere sparrow]

...Okay don't want to be mean but I feel like maybe we are good with only a single Apatosaurus 😔

[sharp plinth]

Aquilops in a terrarium would be nice

[sharp plinth]

It's fine tbh

I understand why they dont have t.mcraensis afterall

[austere sparrow]

Sleeper pick suggestion but I kinda want Kaatedocus as a Diplodocus alt. There's a really famous fossil display in, I'm not sure where exactly, where it plays a baby Barosaurus being defended from an Allosaurus, and that's pretty dope

[sharp plinth]

It would just be cool to see

[austere sparrow]

I guess I wouldn't mind it tbf

[sharp plinth]

Also I beg that they call saurophaganax A. Maximus or A. Anax cuz like

[austere sparrow]

T.mcraensis I am actively a little sad we didn't get lol, but it was described after T.rex was added to the game, I believe, so it makes sense they didn't go for it

[hollow furnace]

American Museum of Natural History

[sharp plinth]

Saurophaganax isnt valid anymore so

[austere sparrow]

😔 I believe they confirmed they'll call it Saurophaganax cuz Nigel already recorded the voicelines

[sharp plinth]

Bruhhhh

[vivid field]

is it weird i don’t really want the quagga

[austere sparrow]

Tho calling it Saurophaganax in the lines but "A. anax" in the UI would be kinda funny

[hollow furnace]

On the bright side T. macraensis is probably going to end up being invalid anyways so

[vivid field]

like i do and i don’t at the same time

[sharp plinth]

Forgive me if this is shallow, isnt quagga just a zebra with less striping?

[austere sparrow]

Quagga is a classic, but without any modern animals and without much Pleistocene Africa rep, seemingly, it will just feel pretty lonely

[vivid field]

exactly where i’m at a dilemma

[austere sparrow]

I mean it also has a brown butt, but, yeah. Subspecies of one of the still extant zebras. Plains, I believe?

[vivid field]

it’s a classic, and it’s awesome, but it would be so bare and lonely

[austere sparrow]

😔

I mean if the devs add Deinotherium, Sivatherium and some recently extinct antelope then like. Yeah okay

[sharp plinth]

Honestly where colossal is going, I wouldn't be surprised if planet zoo adds the quagga to the game ×D

[austere sparrow]

I did keep them with Sivatherium in ZT2 every so often

[sharp plinth]

I love platybelodon

Would be sick

[toxic oriole]

If it wasnt for the Quagga project, Jurassic Park wouldnt have been written
Thats what I know

[austere sparrow]

I mean, people are trying to breed the Quagga back independent of Colossal already

Yesss the Quagga project

[vivid field]

i wish that Saurophaganax would have been theropod, but now since it’s not i’d rather them just call it A. anax but alas

[sharp plinth]

Right

[austere sparrow]

Platybelodon was too early, I think? But it is a banger pick

[sharp plinth]

NOOOO

[austere sparrow]

For Quagga friendship, I mean 😔

[sharp plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/noooooo-depression-meme-spiderman-gif-19814282

[austere sparrow]

Yeah Platy is Miocene

[toxic oriole]

I still think some Aurochs skins being based off the cattle that were born into existence as a way to bring back Aurochs could be utilized in some sense

Like for one, the Heck Cattle, and those Tauros cattle

There might be more out there, I am not sure

[sharp plinth]

MY FLAT JAWED BOI

[austere sparrow]

P sure Platybelodon might just be like, the most requested mammal

Wait hold on

[hollow furnace]

I doubt that, but definitely a very common request

[austere sparrow]

P sure Platybelodon was also not found in Africa at all, actually

[toxic oriole]

People backbreeding Aurochs, or at least a lookalike, is something of itself that ironically FITS Colossals term for De-Extinction

[austere sparrow]

Double non suited to Quagga friendship 😔

[sharp plinth]

[austere sparrow]

Colossal doing weird gene-fuck-aroundery and calling it de-extinction annoys me incredibly lol

[toxic oriole]

Yet their definition would only be valid if they were the ones behind the Tauros Program, but they arent

And it aint theirs

[austere sparrow]

Quagga project and the aurochs breeding efforts are at least honest about what they're doing

[sharp plinth]

If I can, once colossal brings pack the mammuthus primigenus I'm going to fucking pet one

[low bridge]

What about "Syncerus Antiqqus", Rusingoryx, Metridiochoerus, Ancylotherium

[toxic oriole]

Even if it wouldnt be the same animal, I'm pretty sure that would only work if they were younger

[sharp plinth]

And noone (besides the law) can stop me

[silver steeple]

There are plenty of Amebelodontids from Africa but indeed no platybelodon specifically

Platybelodon is from Asia and the Caucuses

[sharp plinth]

I'm genuinely tempted to learn biology and stuff to work at colossal ngl

[vivid field]

what’s the consensus on implementing aquatics and pterosaurs?

[austere sparrow]

I guess those might also be nice in addition to that but I dunno
Metridiochoerus is probably one of the few suggestions I'd call outright bad, it has such little skin potential and no alt potential to balance that out, and like. Even Zoo Tycoon 2 heads don't tend to care for it

[vivid field]

yes? no? maybe? which would be easier?

[toxic oriole]

Other than if the game does well post launch...

Well I don't know

[austere sparrow]

I guess you could wring three skins out of beeg warthog if you really tried but. Don't think its worth the effort

[toxic oriole]

They said they'd only do it IF PK does well after Post EA

[digital pendant]

I like big pig, but there are better big pig options

[toxic oriole]

Well, probably

[silver steeple]

Devs want to but will only be able to depending on how well the game does

[vivid field]

imo, as hard it is to accept i think pterosaurs would be better to have pterosaurs over aquatics

[silver steeple]

Nah

[sharp plinth]

We need drepanosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Who said it would have to be JUST Pterosaurs?

[sharp plinth]

Like deceased rectal cavity

[silver steeple]

Way more variety in the water than the sky

[sharp plinth]

Drepano would be sick

[vivid field]

true

[vivid field]

yes it would

[vivid field]

good point

hmm

[toxic oriole]

There are some giant flying birds that are extinct n such

Haast's Eagle is one of those ones

I think?

I Don't remember much about that eagle

[vivid field]

well then i hope and pray it does well so we can have both pterosaurs and aquatics

[digital pendant]

Man this was a weird combination of sentences to read

[austere sparrow]

My favorite big pig pick is the unicorn pig, Kubanochoerus. Distantly related enough from modern pigs you can mess a bit more with the skins, really interesting looking, while still able to maintain the same vibes as modern pigs have

[sharp plinth]

Argentavis

[vivid field]

and argentavis

[toxic oriole]

Pelagornis is also one of them

Especially for a sea bird

[vivid field]

is that the big seagull friend
and if not what is

[sharp plinth]

Pleagornis and argentavis would be a sight to see

[austere sparrow]

Pelagornis is big seagull friend yes

[sharp plinth]

Freind shaped until proven otherwise

[vivid field]

ok now i’m on board with you

[toxic oriole]

Y'know I want some clarification
Which was it that was found nearby an airport? Pelagornis or Argentavis?

I know a big bird was found by an airport, I just want to know if it actually WAS Pelagornis

[sharp plinth]

Doedicurus

[toxic oriole]

Or someone else

[austere sparrow]

I don't know 😔

[sharp plinth]

We need doedicurus

[toxic oriole]

Big bird FOSSIL to be exact

[sharp plinth]

Armadillo semisphere

[austere sparrow]

I do want. Crap what was its name. The Cretaceous Antarctic waterfowl. If we get fliers in PK

Vegavis?

[silver steeple]

Vegavis

[austere sparrow]

Yesss

[toxic oriole]

Well how large is that one?

[silver steeple]

its really not that special

[austere sparrow]

...Oh. Probably not very.

[silver steeple]

Like goose sized

[austere sparrow]

Cretaceous goose tho!

[silver steeple]

They were pretty common tbh

[toxic oriole]

Could be full exhibit animal or at the very least terrarium, then again...

[austere sparrow]

It would probably go into a terrarium tho, wouldn't it

[silver steeple]

Hell Creek had waterfowl as well

[toxic oriole]

So which was the first Mesozoic Waterfowl found?

[austere sparrow]

Hell Creek has enough crap littering it

[sharp plinth]

Einiosaurus would be cool but it feels like an edited styra head

[silver steeple]

Vegavis is only particularly interesting because it preserved the syrinx

[toxic oriole]

So we know how it vocalized or something?

Or am I thinking of something else?

[sharp plinth]

Pinacosaurus real

[silver steeple]

Which was unknown from any mesozoic bird prior

[silver steeple]

That's the syrinx

[toxic oriole]

Ah, so I was thinking of something else alright

[sharp plinth]

I forgot the diff between a lyric and a syrinx

[austere sparrow]

Sometimes I feel kinda sad we didn't get the full Styracosaurus - Stellasaurus - Einiosaurus - Achelousaurus - Pachyrhinosaurus sequence. But like. With alts. Because god we have so many Ceratopsians lmao

[sharp plinth]

May someone enlighten me

[austere sparrow]

larynxs is mammals, syrinx is birds

[sharp plinth]

Thanks

[toxic oriole]

Oh so I wasnt thinking of the wrong thing after all

[sharp plinth]

I love the chirping pinacosaurus

Wait

[austere sparrow]

Chirping Pinacosaurus for PK tbh

[toxic oriole]

So then, would Vegavis communicate like a Goose or like a different bird?

Modern bird

[sharp plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-an-idea-idea-funny-croods-grug-gif-332735980522965717

Theres that one basal ankylosaurid that could swim

I think?

Idk I watched the video years ago

[austere sparrow]

I believe it turned out it either only swam for fun or had its skeleton fall in water

[slim flare]

No

[austere sparrow]

Had a fish in its ribs? Apparently that one just got trapped in the corpse as it was buried, if I heard right

[sharp plinth]

Hm

[slim flare]

It just died in a river

[sharp plinth]

Nvm then

Foggy memory anyway

[slim flare]

And is also juvenile

[austere sparrow]

Nah don't blame yourself, people were really running with the swimmer hypothesis at the time

Not sure if Liaoningosaurus' should be an indicator that Ankylosaurs would like water and use it for enrichment, or an indicator that they would absolutely not do well with water and should not be allowed near it

[sharp plinth]

Imagine an ankylosaurus walking under the water on the lake floor

[austere sparrow]

We should be able to test that. Do we happen to have tested that? 🤔

[sharp plinth]

Nooe

Nope*

Or atleast no clue

The isle is going to do that with their anky though

I think it might even eat the lakeweed there

[austere sparrow]

Yeah the Isle does a lot of stupid shit for "Because Dondi felt like it" reasons

[sharp plinth]

Yeah

[silver steeple]

Pretty sure it was a lake but yeah

[sharp plinth]

Deinocheirus concept for the isle is a smash

Amaze

Fuck around and find out ahh

[austere sparrow]

I mean that's one of the more reasonable ones

[sharp plinth]

Totally unbiased opinion I promise

Another good concept is rugops tbh

Human hunter

Low crouch

[hollow furnace]

I mean, tbf, it's not completely out of question that ankylosaurs could walk between the water. They at seem to have not been particularly buoyant when alive

[sharp plinth]

Hm

Albertosaurus in the isle though needs revising

Does nothing special

And the neck is ugly

[austere sparrow]

Shoutout to Protoceratops, famous desert species from the middle of the largest continent, being a beach specialist

[sharp plinth]

Speaking of protoceratops

Why dont we have the other species

Like it's completely viable

[austere sparrow]

I love the Isles ludicrous roster bloat, amazing source of comedy

[sharp plinth]

The head shape is quite diff

[steep tulip]

They added proto when alts were rarer

[austere sparrow]

Ikr. I love the other species, even though I can't for the life of me remember how to spell the name

[sharp plinth]

Icl I also want dracorex hogwartsia

[steep tulip]

9

[sharp plinth]

Just because of Harry Potter reference

[austere sparrow]

Baby Stygimoloch is confirmed

Harry Potter stinks 😔

[steep tulip]

Not only it's a juvenile, not only would be very similar to pachycephalosaurus, its validity is also debated

[low bridge]

I want thunder beast and fire one

[sharp plinth]

You

What

[steep tulip]

Truth nuke

[austere sparrow]

Read another book

[sharp plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1218160678720765953/1286361728233242665/togif.gif

I've read the books too

But

[austere sparrow]

No, read a book that isn't Harry Potter

[sharp plinth]

Yeah I do that too ofc

I'd have a hp profile if I was that obsessed

I have a few paleontology books but they are all outdated by years

Or flat out wrong

[steep tulip]

Nvm

[sharp plinth]

One said allosaurus was 5 tons, REFERRING TO A. FRAGILLIS

[austere sparrow]

Must have been the American population

[sharp plinth]

Real

[steep tulip]

Lol

[steep crane]

Unpopular choice but what if one of the U16 mini dinos is Mei.

[sharp plinth]

[steep tulip]

Mei long?

[low bridge]

Is Saichania needed?

[steep tulip]

Snoozing

[steep crane]

Yep.

[austere sparrow]

Mei would be neat. Another Prehistoric Park canon species

[steep crane]

👆

[sharp plinth]

We need more basal stuff

[low bridge]

What about Toxodon

[sharp plinth]

Like guanlong or fukuivenator

[steep tulip]

I want the heterodontosaur

[steep crane]

Tianyulong.

Is perfect.

[low bridge]

Dilong

[steep tulip]

Yep

[austere sparrow]

I would prefer Pinacosaurus for the singing voice but Saichania is stupid popular in Asia seemingly

[steep crane]

Tian is an omnivore yeah?

[sharp plinth]

Dilong and tianyulong are both great picks

[steep tulip]

I think they all were