Community Species Suggestions

[autumn plover]

I'd rather get Tuojiangosaurus over Kentrosaurus because Tuoji would go better with Mamenchisaurus/Yangchuanosaurus, whereas Kentrosaurus only really has Elaphrosaurus.

It also had shoulder/hip spikes

and was fairly small at around ~6m long

It's not as famous as Kentrosaurus but that means it's probably a better candidate for 1 star herbivore

[silver steeple]

Dunno why it matters what lives with either when neither those formations are represented in the game as it stands

Also Kentro is smaller

Less than 5m

[median relic]

kentro would just be a better pick in general imo

more famous, more well studied (we can't even say tuo had shoulder spikes with certainty), and tendaguru is neat

[median relic]

I know we talked about this recently already but god please I want teno back 🙏

it's really really cool

it had such a good skin in game too

[silver steeple]

They were alright

Not a fan of the yellow one

Kinda looked like an overripe banana

[median relic]

the one on the far right if toned down just a little would be peak

[autumn plover]

I really miss Teno

[silver steeple]

The concept art is better but still not great

[obsidian crescent]

alpkarakush

[median relic]

no

just do metri and yang, maybe sinraptor imo

[median relic]

man I hope we don't have to have designated tanks for aquatics

I mean yes I hope that's an option, but also just plopping them in a body of water in a larger terrestrial exhibit would be fun

like fluvionectes in a dinosaur park exhibit's lake

[smoky spear]

this is not gonna happen

[median relic]

I'm on that good (alpkara)kush and alcohol

[outer moth]

Why not Alpakarakush?

Too recent?

[autumn plover]

Several reasons, Yangchuanosaurus is better known and would have potentially more to go with, is also decently popular with a very interesting build.

Metriacanthosaurus is fragmentary but moderately popular, significantly moreso than Alpkarakush

[hollow flower]

Anteosaurus exhibit by Joschua knüppe

[low bridge]

Elephants are NOT mastodonts and mammoths after all

[quaint plank]

Shovel face

[low bridge]

Synonym of Shovel dude

Joke

[quaint plank]

Shovel knight reference

[low bridge]

Ye

Stegotetrabelodon is rl mumakil

Oh i forget Deinotherium but Deinotherium everyone wants ofc

[quaint plank]

Isn’t arsinotherium a rhino?

[low bridge]

Relative of Elephant

[silver steeple]

Only as much as manatees

[heavy scarab]

While it was very rhino-like in appearance. Arsinoitherium was in fact a relative of elephants. As EZ said above.

[silver steeple]

Might as well throw Pezosiren on the list at that point

Not saying Pezosiren is a bad choice, but it's got about as much relation to any elephant as arsinotherium does

[heavy scarab]

Question, when we're talking about Palaeoloxodon, that is the dwarf elephant right?
Cause I would love to see those little guys.

[silver steeple]

Palaeoloxodon is both the island dwarf and the largest elephant ever

Different species

[heavy scarab]

Thought so, I personally want to see the dwarf elephants

[silver steeple]

Supposedly we could already be getting both

[heavy scarab]

Yippee

[limber nexus]

Someone suggested it, so I decided what the fuck

[feral cedar]

Where can I find a collection of Joschua’s exhibit drawings

[hollow flower]

Go to twitter and put #paleozoo

That brings up most of them

[plain knoll]

Will there be mods?

[outer moth]

Devs want the game to be moddable but they can't do anything to enable nor disable mods

So favored but neutral

[plain knoll]

Ok

[heavy scarab]

I just want the 35 species needed to build my dream park. The majority are already in the game or coming soon.

[hollow flower]

and what would those be?

[limber nexus]

What are they?

[heavy scarab]

Here is the map

[hollow furnace]

nice park

[heavy scarab]

I also had another one for cenozoic creatures, but I don't have a map for it

[limber nexus]

I wish you luck with that project, if the creatures ever come out

[plain knoll]

Gorgosaurus would be really cool addition imo because it’s a more medium and somewhat slender Tyrannosaur that had neat crests, also I’m biased because the WWD movie is my childhood and Gorgo is one of my favorite Dinosaurs but I think it would be a decent addition later on but probably not a priority or anything, also Albertosaurus could be an alt or vice versa

[low bridge]

Arsinoitherium is Family to Elephants

[heavy scarab]

If albertosaurus is added Gorgosaurus would be the perfect alternate

[plain knoll]

i agree

maybe it could be like the 2 Trike species where each gets 2 skins but no matter what it’d be cool especially if one is inspired by the WWD Gorgo

[plush nacelle]

The funny thing about wwd gorgo is

[outer moth]

God aweful fate

[hollow flower]

What are the numbers for?

[plain knoll]

design is still based on Gorgosaurus though

Nanuqsaurus in name only

since Nanuqsaurus was described after the movie was finished production

I know the Alaskan Gorgo fossils were reassigned to Nanuq but at the time the movie was in production they were assigned to Gorgo

[heavy scarab]

They were to ID the attraction, for example 18 is the Botanical Garden

[median relic]

I spy troodon 🥀

[feral cedar]

In the spirit of Mother's Day, I want to suggest Maiasaura (art by Joschua Knuppe)

[low bridge]

On Holidays i suggest Nuralugus Rex

[left spear]

Nuralugus in a easter update would go hard

[low bridge]

Ofccc

[heavy scarab]

It's technically Stenonychosaurus but I simply call it Troodon as a common name

[hollow flower]

Fair enough I suppose

[obsidian crescent]

Cacops

[hollow flower]

Like a toad

But if it were a temnospondyl

[haughty nova]

Would love to see a species of Entelodon and Hyaenodon added to the game, would pair nicely with paraceratherium

For some other extinct mammals I would suggest either Glyptodon or Doedicurus, both have some awesome armour.

And as my final mammal suggest we gotta get a Megatherium at some point

For Dinos I’ll also quickly pick Ceratosaurus, I do think we’ll get this one but I wanted to show if this stunning art by Wayne Barlow

[quaint plank]

I only just met cacops but I love it

[steep crane]

Well still get free updates following full release right?

With animals?

[hollow furnace]

yes

A mix of free updates and dlcs

[hollow valve]

We also have a list of some of the Post-EA Update Animals iirc.

[autumn plover]

I wouldn’t say those are 100% confirmed

But certainly highly likely

Is that channel appropriate for suggesting things about animals we know are confirmed?

[hollow furnace]

those are just post-EA not necessarily free or dlc

[flint sable]

uhhhhhhh

idk

[hollow furnace]

probably

[flint sable]

what animals are even fully confirmed

lemme see rq

ok

[autumn plover]

Allosaurus, Baryonyx, Stegosaurus, Gallimimus

Well with Allosaurus I’d love for them to really play up its aggression. Based on all the memes from a while back

[flint sable]

Galimimus, Tiktaalik, Yi, Simosuchus, Compsognathus, Allosaurus, Baryonyx, and Stegosaurus for EA, and Dimetrodon, Moa (unknown genus), Quagga and Wild Horse for Post EA

correct?

[autumn plover]

Forgot the aviary animals

[flint sable]

this is just explicitly confirmed stuff btw

[autumn plover]

But basically whether or not Allosaurus is fighting a T.rex, a Stegosaurus, a Psittacosaurus or a Smilodon. 90% of the time it should be the one who started the fight.

I’d love if Allosaurus in-game personality could be summed up as “im so aggressive and ready for a fight that I don’t have any survival instincts”

And tries to break out constantly.

It should be a nightmare to keep.

[hollow furnace]

Dimetrodon, Quagga+Wild Horse, and Moa I would classify more as "soft confirmed" tbh, but that's admittedly a bit of a meaningless distinction

[flint sable]

I mean

[autumn plover]

It would be cool for the basic looking theropod to have a really big personality to compensate.

[flint sable]

id personally say that if a developer explicity stated its coming at some point after EA its basically confirmed

[hollow furnace]

They kind of didn't is what I mean

[autumn plover]

Is Pachycephalosaurus soft confirmed? There’s not really any other name that could be blurred out in U17

[flint sable]

with dimetro especially it was pretty confirmed IMO

with the other 3 is was pretty vague though ill give you that

[hollow furnace]

No

We have gotten no official statement regarding whether Pachy is coming or not

It's red in the blurred roadmap because the name is obvious

[autumn plover]

Red?

[hollow furnace]

Pachy is red in the blurred teaser

it's the only non-confirmed animal to be red, as a result of the name being so confident

But that's not the same as soft-confirmation, at least with the defintion I'm using

[autumn plover]

Oh I see the font

Yeh I get you

[hollow furnace]

Soft confirmation = devs have alluded to it coming, but stopped short of outright confirming it explicitly (basically anything less than "X animal is coming")

[flint sable]

just saying this is basically what you said above

[hollow furnace]

That is not in fact what I just said above

[flint sable]

i mean its basically dimetro is coming

at some point but coming nontheless

[steep crane]

Weigeltisaurus/Coelurosauravus seem to be the most popular guesses.

[quick ore]

What I would really appreciate is some idea as to what post-launch dlc will look like in terms of dlc pack size and the amount of animals and other included additions in them, as well as what the themes of them could look like

it makes speculating a lot more fun to know the limitations you are working within

[feral cedar]

doesn’t pachy being in the roadmap confirm it though

[hollow furnace]

No

Especially since we know the roadmap can be changed

[plush nacelle]

Idea: bring iconic WWB andrewsarchus design with similar species from mesonychid family - Pachyaena

[left spear]

We don't really know, but a very old draft of the recently extinct DLC had 8 animals if i'm not mistaken, i would expect a modern version to be 6-5

[short rover]

10, not 8

1 aquatic and 1 flyer, 8 regular habitat animals

And honestly I don’t see why that number couldn’t be the same in modern day

[silver steeple]

It was also 7 years ago

I wouldn't really use it as basis for much

[open heron]

Games have become exceeding more expensive to create in those 7 years

[silver steeple]

Not just that

Look how much the basic roster has changed since then

[open heron]

I wouldn't be shocked if the number of unique slots was decreased, though I suppose they could still make 10 with alt genera/species.

[left spear]

Would probably be quite expensive which while i don't mind i understand a lot of people can't afford, and unless they have them in the backburner for 2 years while they pump updates i don't want to wait 11 months between dlcs without significant updates

If anything Split It and make a RE part 2

[open heron]

Quaggas and extinct feral horses/tarpans make for easy alts so already that's one animal condensed nicely.

[left spear]

Ngl i hope Quagga is the alt and not the other way around

American Horse is way more interesting

[open heron]

it doesn't matter who alts who

[left spear]

Well Quagga getting another skin would be weird

[feral cedar]

do you guys think the devs would be willing to do alt genera trios

[silver steeple]

We don't know if the horse is american

[silver steeple]

Possibly

[left spear]

Since it's literally the only different thing that makes It unique

[silver steeple]

Especially for stuff with less skin potential like mammals

[feral cedar]

I know an idea floating around was to use ontogeny and alts to condense Australovenator, Megaraptor, and Maip all into one slot

[open heron]

yes, I reckon anything possible that would make for intersting gameplay changes is on the table.

[left spear]

Just saying that i hope the feral Horse is american with the Quagga alt, personally i don't really care about tarpans.

[plush nacelle]

Horse better be eurasian, because more species for mixed exhibit

[open heron]

they can easily do three different horses.

no need for only two

taco already has three species, allo's as far as we know getting four.

[feral cedar]

technically they’re not adding quagga, they’re adding the Equus genus

[left spear]

Well assuming the DLC is 10 species i wouldn't want 3 Horses

Tbh i could even do without Quagga

I've never seen the hype around it

Not even a proper species

[open heron]

This seems to be assuming alt genera are equal to full species slots.

[left spear]

I would imagine

[feral cedar]

Equus quagga quagga
Equus ferus ferus
Haringtonhippus alt

[open heron]

no I doubt that

[left spear]

A like 15 species DLC would be nuts

And probably very expensive

[feral cedar]

@hallow mango back me up here

[left spear]

Just Split It in 2 parts tbh

[open heron]

alt genera/species are not equivalent to full slots, getting a quagga would not stop up getting aepyornis or whatever.

one takes considerably more time, effort, and money than the other.

[hollow furnace]

Why would a 15 species dlc be any different from a dlc with the same number of roster slots without alts

That’s like, the point of alts

[open heron]

(not that the quagga wouldn't take effort obviously, but new genera/slots and alt genera/species are not equivalent.)

[left spear]

I'm not saying that

[open heron]

I mean it did kinda read that way

[left spear]

Well sorry then

[feral cedar]

the true question is whether alt species under the same genus should count as distinct species

[hollow furnace]

Yes

They’re species not genera

[left spear]

What i mean is make 2 re dlcs, and put those 3/2 in one, putting 10 species+alts in one would inflate the price quite a bit

[hollow furnace]

Which are further different from “slots”

[feral cedar]

But it begs the question as to where we draw the line

[open heron]

It's... a pretty concrete line no?

[feral cedar]

Let me rephrase

[left spear]

Alt species counting as full slots you mean?

[open heron]

P. walkeri and P. cyrtocristatus are alt species.
P. walkeri and C. jiayinensis are alt genera.
P. walkeri and L. lambei are distinct slots.

[feral cedar]

If a DLC comes out and it introduces Corythosaurus and Ceratosaurus and the former has C. casuarius and C. intermedius, but there's no real gameplay difference between them

[left spear]

If se get Quagga we'll need a fourth distinction

[feral cedar]

Does that DLC have 2 animals or 3 animals

[open heron]

3

[hollow furnace]

Why would we

[open heron]

3 animals, two 'slots'.

[hollow furnace]

I'm assuming they're not planning on adding two different kinds of zebra

[feral cedar]

And does an alt genus take up a slot

[left spear]

Nvm i had a short circuit

[feral cedar]

?

[left spear]

Depends on Who you ask

I would say yes

[hollow furnace]

No

Again, that is the point of alts

[left spear]

Eh weird marketing then

[hollow furnace]

What marketing

[left spear]

Were alts a thing when the re goal?

[hollow furnace]

Yes

[left spear]

Then if they don't count a bit weird to just put the 10 of those in the goal image

Sure it's just a concept but they would be showing less that they're offering

[hollow furnace]

The recently extinct dlc image was almost 8 years ago

[left spear]

Not that It Matters anymore it's super old

[hollow furnace]

^

[left spear]

But still weird

[hollow furnace]

It's really not

Especially since the weird position the recently extinct dlc found itself in in terms of skins regardless

[open heron]

This might be a completely insane idea but I wouldn't hate a modern species pack that focuses on living animals that were important to ancient ecosystems.

[feral cedar]

like reindeer and muskoxen for the mammoth steppe animals?

[open heron]

very much that

saigas and things too

[hollow furnace]

There's no way it'd ever happen but it would be fun

I imagine we might get mods for something like that too though

[feral cedar]

I mean it wouldn't be impossible

But it also does depend on how many animals would need that

Currently we only really have Pleistocene fauna surrounding Smilodon in the Americas and mammoths in Eurasia

[plush nacelle]

Anu good extcint reindeer out there?

[hollow furnace]

not really

[feral cedar]

Considering how reindeer by definition is a species, no

No we don't have any lol

[plush nacelle]

There must be some sort random ass prehistoric rangifer or something similar

[feral cedar]

No

Rangifer is monospecific

Only one species in the genus that we know of, and that's reindeer

[plush nacelle]

Damn. At least there are extinct subspecies to pick from

[quick tartan]

So what's the cutoff for extinction?
Aurochs made it to the 18th century after all. But I'd love to see the gaint danger-cow

Mammoths made it to being contemporary with the great pyramids.

Also, can't wait for flyers so I can make the Land Before Time crew

[hollow furnace]

For recently extinct dlc, probably pretty recent

Thylacine is almost certain and it went extinct in the 30’s

[median relic]

as long as it's extinct it's fine I'd assume

baiji would be fun

albeit very unfortunate that they're gone

[hollow valve]

And iirc, Colossal is working on bringing back the Thylacine too.

Albeit they’d probably create something that’s just really similar unless they use preexisting samples of Thylacine DNA if we still have it.

[quaint plank]

wait aurochs has only been extinct for like 200 years?

oh wait I mean 300

[hollow furnace]

No

Aurochs went extinct in the 1600s

At least in terms of last definite specimen

[quaint plank]

Still, very recent

[hollow furnace]

There’s possible evidence they survived into the 1700s but it’s not definite

[median relic]

ok so wait a minute

lets say theoretically, a species was actually legitimately brought back. Like a real full blood thylacine

would that disqualify it from being added to the game?

[hallow mango]

I think it would be added to the game because not to start a war but what colossal did with their "dire wolves" was genetically edit a modern wolf to look or least have traits of that of a dire wolf which is why it looks kinda off but thats pretty much it, What their gonna do with the tasmanian tiger god only knows, prolly take a tasmanian devil and genetically edit it to look like a thylacine and say theyre very very closely related like they did with modern wolves and direwolves

[hollow furnace]

Probably not

[left spear]

I would imagine anything post 1.000 a.c

Personally i think anything after Mesopotamia would be fair game

But some think it's too old

Btw Myotragus on RE would go hard

What would become the city of roma had already been founded for around a century by the time It went extinct

[silver steeple]

Cutoff for previous stuff was about 1AD

But who knows what it could be now since it's been like 7 years

[left spear]

Eh i feel like that's way to constricting

Like Evolution wise 2000 years is nothing, and if we count the paleolithic/neolithic it's also very little history wise

So imo anything past invention of writting should be fine

Yeah It includes a few weird standouts like wrangle mammoths and possibly eurasian lions but still

[silver steeple]

How is that more constricting than 1000AD

[left spear]

Whoops

B.C

[silver steeple]

Almost nothing besides like Madagascaran fauna goes extinct during that time

[left spear]

In spanish it's B.C is A.C (antes de cristo)

[silver steeple]

I was talking about for the Recent Extinct pack stuff

[left spear]

Literal traduction strikes again

[median relic]

I wouldn't consider holocene island stuff like madagascar and cuba for an RE pack

[silver steeple]

I would

[median relic]

RE makes me think, like, in recent history and had stuff written about them

[left spear]

Tbh Madagascar alone could be like 2 dlcs

[silver steeple]

1AD is like the least subjective dating you can use for that

[left spear]

Cuba could be in a caribean pack

[median relic]

madagascar could just be its own pack lol. Majungasaurus, megaladapis, get em all in there

[left spear]

Expansion even

New map and building set

Also any cool RE ""paleobotany""?

[silver steeple]

Putting Majunga in the same pack as stuff that went extinct like 2000 years ago is crazy lmao

[median relic]

how

the theme is only madagascar

[left spear]

Yeah

[median relic]

I think it'd be fun

[left spear]

If it's Madagascar alone It would be fun

[silver steeple]

Because you're putting a dinosaur in the same pack as a modern mammal lol

[left spear]

Put Majunga and archaeoindris on the same enclousure

[silver steeple]

That's actually crazy

[median relic]

imagine housing rapetosaurus with archaeoindris 🙏
also you can potentially get 2 different crocs in mahajangasuchus and voay

[median relic]

why is that such a problem?

literally what's wrong with that, the theme isn't time period lol

[left spear]

Via that logic putting a Dino and mammal on the same región of the park (North America for example) is also crazy

[silver steeple]

That's like saying "Africa Pack" and putting Suchomimus and like Bluebuck together lmao

[left spear]

Would be based

[median relic]

well bluebuck is for RE but otherwise that sounds fine to me

[left spear]

But africa is too contento heavy

[silver steeple]

There's a difference between what a player builds and what people pay for in a Dlc

[left spear]

Madagascar is much more self contained

[median relic]

suchomimus and rusingoryx/quagga 👍

[median relic]

yeah man and I'm payin' for madagascar stuff

[left spear]

You could say that about any species

[gray wharf]

Suchomimus and deinotherium...

[silver steeple]

Most people ain't gonna pay for a lemur and a dinosaur in the same pack

[left spear]

Eh i feel like Deino should be base game

[left spear]

Why

Both are great

[silver steeple]

Because that's just not what most people want

[left spear]

So?

[median relic]

why not

[left spear]

Via that logic stop adding mammals

Since they're less popular

[median relic]

oh so people don't want majungasaurus and archaeoindris?

understood

[silver steeple]

That's actually such a strawman lmao

[median relic]

how bro

you have no argument

[left spear]

They have

[silver steeple]

I gave you my argument

[left spear]

Just a meh one

[median relic]

you just say "but... putting a dinosaur with an RE animal is crazy lmao" why?? the theme is only the area, I think it's cool because it encompasses the evolution of the island as a whole

[left spear]

Like sure do they contrast each other a lot? Yes, but that makes It a lot more fun and unique while keeping a theme (Madagascar)

[silver steeple]

Disagree

[left spear]

Fair

[silver steeple]

I'd rather have multiple Madagascar dinos and then some fun mammals as a separate thing

And I think most people would agree

[median relic]

bro masiakasaurus and a giant lemur in the same pack would go hard idk why we disagreeing on that
now I WOULD understand if it was all RE animals and one random mesozoic animal, or vice versa

[left spear]

Madagascar ain't getting 2 dlcs

[median relic]

but if they're mostly evenly split that's fine

[silver steeple]

You don't know that

[left spear]

Be realistic

[median relic]

madagascar has had unique animals ever since maeverano. It's all madagascar. You encompass the island's inhabitants across its known phanerozoic fossil record into one pack, it's all madagascar. it has nothing to do with time other than the fact that it's prehistoric kingdom and the animals are extinct ones

[median relic]

bro come on

2 madagascar DLCs is a little wild

[left spear]

If we're Lucky the Game Will get like 10 dlcs

Madagascar ain't getting 2

Tbh It already has somewhat flimsy chances of getting 1

The only country i could see getting 2 dlcs would be Australia

And even then it's a very Big strech

Same theme dlcs would have to be eras/continents or maybe RE

[hallow mango]

It prolly will since dlc's are kinda themes, Unless they do something special for Madagascar and just have ALLOT of animals in it from various time periods, Giant lemurs, Majunga and just so many others, Unless they just do "animal packs" that just shoves a bunch of random animals into them and then call it a day

JWE did that kinda

[median relic]

madagascar pack:
Majungasaurus, Mahajangasuchus, Masiakasaurus, Rapetosaurus, beelzebufo (mini), rahonavis (mini), falcatakely (mini),
Archaeoindris, Megaladapis, Aepyornis, Pachylemur, Voay, Giant fossa

[hallow mango]

I can see australia getting 2 dlc's tho, unless they just throw a mixture of animals together lmao

[hallow mango]

Beelezebufo our god

[left spear]

Also Madagascar doesn't have that much mesozoic stuff you have Majunga and Masiaka maybe Maadtsoia, Beelzebufo would probably come in another DLC/update and rapetosaurus is lame, besides that you get a generic toothed Bird and a slightly cooler than average mammal

[median relic]

tbh australia doesn't need 2 DLCs
one for pleistocene stuff, but stuff like australovenator could just be basegame

oh I forgot madtsoia that could be neat

[left spear]

My conservative Madagascar DLC would be Majunga/Masiaka/Maadtsoia/Archaeoindris/Any Elephant Bird (Vorombe?)/Malagasy hippo

Beelzebufo would be base game

[silver steeple]

Mahajungasuchus for one, idk why you think Beelze wouldn't come in such a pack either

[hallow mango]

Idk about you guys but I want spinofaarus

[left spear]

Hmm fair about mahajun, but Beel i just see It in base Game idk

[hallow mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spinofaarus-gif-18076650087284624756

[left spear]

Majestic

[silver steeple]

Most of the base game minis are coming with the rework, and Mau hinted at what all of them are

Not a single one was an amphibian

[left spear]

After EA updates exists

And i would expect like atleast 6 of them

[silver steeple]

Sure but that's not base game

[left spear]

I would be surprised if none of those added an amphibian

[silver steeple]

That's post launch free updates

[median relic]

honestly we don't need the hippo, replace it with megaladapis, also add pachylemur

[silver steeple]

Base game ends at update 20

[left spear]

That is base Game, just not EA, base Game is normal Game without dlcs/expansions

[plush nacelle]

More than 5 species per pack sounds a bit crazy NGL

[left spear]

Ermm no?

That's EA

[silver steeple]

Yes

That's the full launch update

That's where EA ends

[median relic]

a man can dream

[left spear]

Yes, that means EA ends

[silver steeple]

It literally has it on the Trello

[left spear]

If base Game ended at u20 It would mean no new updates

[silver steeple]

Yes which is full launch

[median relic]

trekli 😛

[silver steeple]

No?

You can have full launch and the game still receive free updates what

[left spear]

Then that's an extremely weird way to put It, since anyone that buys the Game still has the same base content

[plush nacelle]

Ya, but at the same time best Frontier can do is 7 main species and thats only because they fill packs with animals most people in PK would consider either alts or not worth attention due to being similar to already existing animal

[left spear]

Usually in games base Game means the Game without any kind of exoansion

[median relic]

ornimegalonyx and megalocnus for some kind of general holocene island DLC, madagascar and hateg get their own

[left spear]

Not pre-full launch

[hallow mango]

I dont think it would be that crazy honestly unless they do digsite dlc's which they could very well do and it just adds animals, like animals from hell creek and morrison formation, Even la brea (id get that ong)

[left spear]

Fair, i just want an hippo and i don't think any other has any real chances

[median relic]

tbf I do like the hippo but my main concern is locking off hippopotamus gorgops

[silver steeple]

Anyway on Madagascar, Imma be real the only worthwhile stuff is like elephant birds and archeoindris (assuming they even mess with primates, which they've said in the past isn't super likely) and at that point just throw those two in the major RE pack (assuming we only get one) and call it a day

[median relic]

L

[plush nacelle]

Like 20 species per year is already a lot and it would be simply 4 quarterly DLCs with each one including 5 species. And then we have to take into account some animals coming in free updates.

[median relic]

ok but archaeoindris is a lemur bro, I don't think there should be some big moral dilemma over it

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-and-ok-and-whole-sqaud-gif-22248092

[median relic]

not like it's a great ape or close human relative

[silver steeple]

That's not the issue

[median relic]

then what is??..

[silver steeple]

Its animation complexity to form a primate without making it uncanny

[median relic]

I mean

[silver steeple]

The devs have literally said this before

[median relic]

primates kinda are uncanny

[silver steeple]

Yes and recreating that is incredibly difficult

[median relic]

ah well at least it's not snakes

🥀

[silver steeple]

Snakes can at least be in terrariums

So could say, darwinius or whatever

[median relic]

even the ones people would actually want, like titanoboa or vasuki?

[silver steeple]

Heck I think they could shove megalodapis in one

Dude the new terrariums are huge lmao

They can def fit giant snakes that don't move much

[median relic]

vasuki is like a tree trunk though

[silver steeple]

So is titanoboa

[hallow mango]

I dont think it would be that complex since they wanna do megatherium and they wanna make it walk realistic and in allot of shows and docs it shows them kinda walking like gorilla's do though they are slouched over and that pretty much is a good walking base for a giant lemur, 80% of the dinos in this game least rn have reused walking and running animations lol

[hollow furnace]

The large terrarium is almost exactly the recommended size of a snake terrarium for something like Titanoboa or Vasuki

[median relic]

also, consider palaeophis: would a sea snake that can't go onto land be easier to animate?

[silver steeple]

Because most don't stray far from a specific bodyplan

[hollow furnace]

Length = Body Length, Width = 1/2 Body Length

[silver steeple]

Sure but paleophis is also fully aquatic

Which we just aren't gonna get until that expansion (if it even happens)

[left spear]

I mean besides maybe clipping i don't think It should be that hard

[silver steeple]

You mean clipping?

Ah lol

[hallow mango]

Paleophis or least big snakes like that are going to be extreamly hard to do for this game without them making it weird

[left spear]

But yeah first we gotta get there

Which is a very large Bridge to cross

[plush nacelle]

Paleophis would be rather simple. Apparently these snakes were stiff with swimming motion similar to crocodiles than other snakes

[left spear]

Eating would be easy too

It's a maadtsoid so no swallowing

[median relic]

wait palaeophis is?

[plush nacelle]

Marine snake

[outer moth]

Do we have any snakes that don't swallow today?

[median relic]

I think there's like, one

[hollow furnace]

Palaeophis is not

[left spear]

Palaeophis is

[left spear]

Wait no it's not, there was a subaquatic maadtsoid tho

Don't remember it's name rn

Did palaeophiids also have "swallow jaws"?

It's a very basal group so idk

[left spear]

Okay yeah gigantophis

Confused It with that

[hollow furnace]

Their living relatives do so I presume they probably could as well

[steep crane]

Just spitballing here but, what if were getting more terrarium animals pre-release than just the 5 we were told.

Idk 11 just doesn’t seem like the most roundable number.

[flint sable]

Equus quagga quagga, Equus ferrus ferrus, Equus ferrus occidentalis

[nimble void]

Not sure if anyone’s suggested these yet, but I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention my fave prehistoric creatures:

• Australovenator wintonensis
• Kaprosuchus
• Yutyrannus huali
• Thylacoleo carnifex (aka Marsupial Lion)
• Diprotodon optatum
• Varanus priscus (aka Megalania)
• Deinonychus

[autumn plover]

Regarding the conversation earlier im probably one of the many people who only wants a single Madagascar dlc at most

South America (Cretaceous), Africa (Cretaceous/Jurassic), Asia (Jurassic/some Cretaceous), are all areas you could make great dlc out of

[feral cedar]

Does Madagascar have enough good picks in it for more than 1 DLC anyway

[autumn plover]

For the mesozoic it’s Majungasaurus, Masaikasaurus, and Beezlebufo and that’s it

Even then none of them are even A-listers

Cenozoics im not too educated.

[feral cedar]

Majungasaurus is the closest thing there to an A-lister

Masiakasaurus is fun but it's from a family who's better off represented with an entirely different 'branch'

[autumn plover]

And it’s not even the most famous member of its family

[feral cedar]

Beelzebufo is... frog

[autumn plover]

You talking of the elaphrosaurs, because I would agree

[autumn plover]

I was being generous tbh

Like Madagascar is quite far down the priorities list

[feral cedar]

I'm pretty sure Beelzebufo isn't even that big by frog standards

[autumn plover]

Like in South America alone, just looking at the mesozoic

[feral cedar]

Everyone knows it as 'the frog that could eat dinosaurs' or something because its very large mouth meant it could've preyed on like tiny baby dinosaurs

But that's not really a reason to include it especially since it'd be a terrarium creature

[autumn plover]

Austroraptor, Amargasaurus, Herrerasaurus. Loads of Megaraptorans, Carnotaurus,

Easily a dlc on its own

[hollow furnace]

It's big but not the biggest frog of all time

[autumn plover]

You start going into b-listers there’s more

[feral cedar]

Could sell it as an Argentinian DLC tbh

[autumn plover]

Start going into the Cenozoics that’s probably a whole other dlc

But then people want to waste two dlc on a tiny island with, how do I put this generously

A couple b-listers and an overhyped frog?

[feral cedar]

The unenlagiine subfamily as a whole is exclusively South American. We have potential for Maip and a megaraptoran larger than Australovenator

[autumn plover]

^

[feral cedar]

The largest carcharodontosaurids are all from South America and I KNOW Giganotosaurus would sell like black friday

[autumn plover]

^

I don’t care for Giga but that animal could probably sell an entire dlc on its own

But then what’s odd about Madagascar

[feral cedar]

We can get Saltasaurus for a second titanosaur

Amargasaurus, Brachytrachelopan, maybe even Dreadnoughtus to ride that media exposure train

[autumn plover]

People want two dlcs for a single country??

In Africa?

Far more important stuff on the continent

[feral cedar]

Eoraptor or Panphagia for a small omnivorous prosauropod

[autumn plover]

Kentrosaurus, Nigersaurus, Elaphrosaurus, Suchomimus

[feral cedar]

Mussaurus for a more traditional prosauropod

[autumn plover]

Sarcosuchus

[feral cedar]

yes

Also why is my PFP here Walter White??

there we go

[autumn plover]

Anyway my point is it’s odd to ask for two dlcs for a single country that really has only a couple interesting things to add, especially when there’s significantly more interesting things across the continent, let alone across the world.

[feral cedar]

Yes

[autumn plover]

Honestly I’d settle for one shared with other African fauna

[feral cedar]

I'd argue the Madagascan animals would be better suited as filler for a more elaborate African DLC

[autumn plover]

^

I’d say there’s a tier

“Well known and cool to have, but not essential”

[flint sable]

cenozoic madagascar stuff is peak though

[autumn plover]

Majungasaurus is probably in that tier

It’s the most famous prehistoric animal from Madagascar 💀

[hollow furnace]

Pretty much all of the famous Malagasy cenozoic stuff could also work in a recently extinct DLC too.

[flint sable]

elephant birds, dwarf hippos, not to mention giant lemurs (although most of them wouldnt work due to the limitation of climbers, but some like Archaeolemur or Hadropithicus would certainly work IMO

[flint sable]

me when elephant bird

definitely second though other than maybe megaladapis idk

[autumn plover]

No tbf elephant bird

[flint sable]

and Voay but its basically a modern crocodile, would be cool i guess

[hollow furnace]

Like, considering we're almost certainly not going to get Haast's eagle and Stellar's sea cow in the first one, I'd like to get a second one once aerials and aquatics are added, and you could put in some Malagasy animals like elephant birds to increase the roster

[flint sable]

mhm

i think I actually made skin ideas for the RE pack a while ago

lemme go find em, they kinda fit here

Thylacinus: T. cynocephalus (one skin) and T. potens (2 skins or another thyla species)

Dodo: 1 skin based on Ustad Mansur Painting, 1 based on Edward's Dodo (color only), and another pop culture reference skin (or just something completely new)

Moa: 3 genera/species, either Dinornis robustus/novaezealandiae + Anomalopteryx or D. robustus, P. elephantopus and Anomalopteryx

Bos: Bos priscus, Bos latifrons, and Bos primigenius OR have Aurochs types (african, eurasian, and indian)

Equus: E. ferus ferus, E .quagga quagga, and E. ferus occidentalis (or just an E. ferus ferus skin)

Passenger Pigeon: Arboreal Terrarium

Carolina Parrakeet: Arboreal Terrarium

Great Auk: Summer and Winter plumage and a skin or another member of the genus (probably Pinguinus alfrednewtonis if any)

Duisycyon: Warrah and D. avus, 1 skin for Warrah 2 for avus

Malagasy Pygmy Hippos: The 3 species that existed all as alts, similar to Camarasaurus

I replaced Stellers Sea Cow and Haast's Eagle because their mechanics arent worked in yet, and Bluebuck was replaced because it would have literally no other skins potential IMO and would be stuck with 1 skin

[silver steeple]

Exactly

[flint sable]

Thoughts on this?

[silver steeple]

I think it's pretty good

Dunno why they'd have more than 2 equus species tho

I think it's likely Aurochs will just be a single species as a like dlc alt for the bison sp we're already getting

[flint sable]

E ferrus occidentalis would basically just be synonymous with the north american population of E. ferrus ferrus, i just put it on there as so because it made more sense in my head

plus, the pleistocene species of equus are in chaos to say the least taxonomically speaking

[silver steeple]

At that point it would just be a slightly different skin ngl

[flint sable]

essentially yes

[median relic]

mahajangasuchus

[silver steeple]

So just give it the mammoth treatment

[flint sable]

so theres a lot of ways they could interpret it

[flint sable]

yeah that works fine with me

[silver steeple]

Mammoth treatment works for a lot of things ngl

[flint sable]

that was the one i was least proud of lol, but i think either one of the options would be valid that I proposed IMO

probably the one with the three aurochs varities i like better though

[hollow furnace]

I personally would be on board with getting the three aurochs populations

[silver steeple]

I think it would be cool

[hollow furnace]

You'd need to use a microscope to see the difference, but who cares

[silver steeple]

I just dunno how that would work with Bison

[flint sable]

i would be happy with either because aurochs in any form is peak

[silver steeple]

Unless they use Bison as a genus ig

Idk

[outer crater]

There was another species of aurochs called the Indian aurochs I think. The Indian cows with the hump are descended from them

[flint sable]

mhm

[hollow furnace]

I mean, with the new system, it doesn't really matter that much

[flint sable]

iirc Indian and African Aurochs were closer to eachother than they were to Eurasian Aurochs but dont quote me on that, so they would probably look fairly similar

[hollow furnace]

Each of the species is its own animal tab, you'd just have 3-5 tabs with "Bos x"

[silver steeple]

I guess not

Just would look kinda weird imo

[silver steeple]

Bos primigenius namadicus

[hollow furnace]

Wdym, not a fan of the wall of COW?

[silver steeple]

Lmao

I just think it would look slightly strange, and arguably a little bloated

[flint sable]

much like the formidable but much shorter wall of CAMARA and the soon to be constructed wall of ALLO

[silver steeple]

I figure they would get the mammoth treatment ngl

Aurochs is just Bos primigenius

[hollow furnace]

I feel like you could do it mammoth treatment anyways tbh

[flint sable]

you could probably do that with the Aurochs types yes, probably not the bison though

[silver steeple]

It's a subspecies thing

At best give namadicus a hump or something

[flint sable]

have the Aurochs be 1 slot but then the bisons each have their own

[silver steeple]

Well we're only getting 2 bison

[flint sable]

namadicus without the hump is like spinosaurus without the spine

[silver steeple]

So there'd only be 2 slots on the nursery dedicated to them

[flint sable]

it looses everything it has to offer

[silver steeple]

Idk if it's that bad but fair

[outer moth]

Europe (Triassic/Jurassic/Cretaceous) DLC would be quite peak
Seeing as the entire continent has good Mesozoic fossils

[silver steeple]

I do think the mammoth approach is completely feasible for Aurochs tho

No reason a skin can't have different ornaments or whatever

[hollow furnace]

despite probably not having a shoulder hump, at least in the majority of the population

[silver steeple]

Like how some skins have feathers but the base model doesn't

[hollow furnace]

At least based on artwork

[flint sable]

they kinda did something similar with dilo

the orange one has the spikes on its neck but the other 2 dont

[hollow furnace]

And different crest shapes

[flint sable]

not nearly as drastic as adding a shoulder hump but proof it could be possible

[outer moth]

Do you think they’d start working on aquatics and aviaries after the RE DLC?

[hollow furnace]

Potentially before for all we know

[outer moth]

I mean seeing as RE will happen before AnA, we’d still have to exclude Haast’s eagle and SSC

Possibly also Auk but maybe not

[hollow furnace]

I'm not saying that aquatics and aerials will come out before then

[outer moth]

Opens up a new opportunity though

[hollow furnace]

I'm saying that the development of a recently extinct dlc would presumably not use the same developers who would be needed to work on getting a 3d navigation system functioning

So you could start working on it in parallel to any dlcs

[outer moth]

Ahhh, that makes a bit more sense

Still
You think RE could include new minis in place of the eagle n sea cow?

[hollow furnace]

I hope so

At least passenger pigeon would be nice

[outer moth]

Ivory woodpecker would be pretty cool too

[hollow furnace]

Yep, Passenger pigeon, Ivory-billed woodpecker, and Carolina parakeet would be my top three picks for terrarium animals

Also, why are like, all the famous recently-extinct birds American

[outer moth]

blame Americans

But that gets me thinkin

What RE species could work for semi-aquatic and terrestrial terrariums

[hollow furnace]

Not a lot particularly good

Sea mink

One of the kijillion extinct rats or rabbits or whatever

[outer moth]

Well, I can think up of a few pig footed bandicoots and giant skinks

[flint sable]

interestingly enough

north america only had 1 mammalian species go extinct since european colonization

being the Sea Mink

all the others were subspecies

a crapload of birds though

especially if you consider Hawaii

[silver steeple]

Funny that it wasn't even like a distinct species til after it's extinction too lol

[outer moth]

RE kinda sucks since you know humanity’s actions caused these animals to appear in PK in the first place

[flint sable]

vaquita in RE pack when

[steep crane]

I hope we get at least a total of 15 terrarium animals for full release.

[slim flare]

Woolly mammoth…
Woolly rhinoceros…
Smilodon…
Lions…
Megaloceros…

[quick ore]

Why would you do Madagascar dlc without Falcatakely?

[quick tartan]

knew this sounded wrong.
there's also the carribian monk seal, the stellar's sea cow, and Nelson's rice rat are also post colonial victems.
and the black footed ferret had a very close call.

[flint sable]

Oh yeah thank you

Stellers sea Cow are closer to Asia thouhg IMO but your right with the seal and rice rat

[hollow furnace]

Stellar's sea cow was along the pacific coast of north america, but had gone locally extinct by the time european explorers discovered them

[sharp dock]

Can we have the EDW in PK

[quick tartan]

how about some weirdos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1c0awW5_8A

[sharp dock]

just a lil' guy

[silver steeple]

I'm a big Drepanosaurus/Skybalonyx supporter

[smoky spear]

what formations already in the game are most likely to get pterosaurs?

[silver steeple]

Altmühltal Formation (Solnhofen Limestone) has Archeopteryx currently but could bring us Anurognathus, Pterodactylus, and/or Rhamphorhynchus

Jiufotang has a good few as well iirc?

Kem Kem has an absolute ton

[smoky spear]

[outer moth]

Existing formations?

[plush nacelle]

Charmouth has dimorphodon

[outer moth]

For existing formations, I suppose I could propose Hell Creek since that seems to have Quetz

[left spear]

Not anymore, the Quetz neck is now infernodrakon

[outer moth]

Talk about an upgrade

[left spear]

And yes it's a Gluppshitodactyl

[outer moth]

Infernodrakon is a cool name tho

Hope they de-gluppshittify it

[left spear]

Hopefully

It has a pretty neat size

[outer moth]

However

[outer moth]

I don't see why Quetz can't be in HC

[left spear]

Oh yeah

[outer moth]

Seeing as it was in Ojo

[left spear]

Even more likely that alamo if you ask me

[outer moth]

Eh, I mean, someone has to eat the taller branches in HC

[left spear]

And even if It wasn't hell creek fauna in general defenetly encountered quetz

[outer moth]

It's just less likely due to the fact that we don't have evidence of Alamosaurus in HC

(Though feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

[plush nacelle]

Habitat preference could be main factor. Quetz remains are found only in southern laramidia so genus simply might have preference for more arid and open environments

Same as for alamo

[left spear]

Eh even if that's true there surely would be a bigger Azdarchid species than inferno

We know Azdarchids were found in pretty ""cold"" habitats

[smoky spear]

no

they are found all around the world

[flint sable]

fair

[left spear]

I meant in could habitats aswell

[ebon python]

gigantopithecus

[quick ore]

I'll be honest I don't think Gigantopithecus is that good of a choice, at least as a primate. I mean isn't it still only jawbones?

if we are going to get a gorilla sized extinct primate I would rather have Archaeoindris

[silver steeple]

I think Giganto is fine material wise, I just don't think the devs would do it cause its a primate, which are difficult to animate well

[sharp dock]

Do you think we could get Biollante in PK

[left spear]

That's neoflora not paleoflora

So no

Shame everything else lands perfectly

[quick ore]

is this really a primate problem or an anthropoid problem

because I doubt that lemurs have as much difficulty in making look good as other primates

[hollow valve]

I agree. That’s why I suggested Archaeoindris earlier and like the other lemur suggestions I saw.

[silver steeple]

Lemurs would be easier but they definitely still have a lot going on

Devs said primates so I assume they mean primates

[hollow furnace]

I mean, I’m pretty sure they specifically meant primates in the context of climbing

I don’t think they’ve said anything against primates other than that

[silver steeple]

I remember them mentioning animation issues for stuff like faces before

It's been a long time though

Like I said very old message but this is still true

[median relic]

tbf lemurs have significantly less expression than other primates lol

[silver steeple]

I'm not disagreeing but devs said primates so

[hollow furnace]

I mean, they are saying tricky

Not impossible

Fully aquatic and aerial animals would also probably be tricky to pull off

[silver steeple]

Yeah

[short rover]

i really hope we get free flying/swimming aquatics and ariels some day

[quick ore]

btw it's funny how Pachycrocuta may be a living genus

[steep crane]

What?

[quick ore]

did you not hear?

Brown Hyenas may be living members of the genus Pachycrocuta

[steep crane]

Huh..

[slim flare]

Where’s Homotherium

[low bridge]

Which Kitkat you guys take?

[slim flare]

Oh I guess Xenosmilus is a junior synonym of Homotherium so I’ll choose that

[low bridge]

There was no Homotherium bc everyone will vote on Homotherium

Reality

[slim flare]

Xenosmilus is Homotherium

[low bridge]

Nope

Xenosmilus sp from Venezuela can be Homotherium but not Type Sp of Xenosmilus

Xenosmilus lived with Smilo Gracilis, Arctodus Pristinus, Titanis tbh

[lean hound]

why tbh??

[slim flare]

Ask God

[low bridge]

Why not

[lean hound]

🤦

[lean hound]

if you're stating a fact why would you say to be honest

[nimble wedge]

Id want camptosaurus as it fits with a mix herding mechanic

[low bridge]

They will never ever be rly

[lean hound]

what are you on about

[low bridge]

High chance that Xeno won't be in game

Only most popular Prehistoric cats are in game

Panthera, Smilo

[lean hound]

panthera is nowhere near as popular as smilodon

[low bridge]

Why Smilodon Gracilis was skipped?

[slim flare]

Because it’s not late Pleistocene

[low bridge]

Cave Hyena, Cave Wolf, Cave Goat where are they?

[slim flare]

Cave wolf is meh af

Dire wolf is all we really need

Steppe hyena would be great

Myotragus is cool

[low bridge]

Whtt abt Dinocrocuta Gigantea?

Beast Hyena

[slim flare]

Meh

[low bridge]

Oh Sinotherium gets angry

[lean hound]

unnecessary

[median relic]

homotherium, megantereon, and lokotunjailurus all I think would be cool but I recognize the last machairodont we get should be homo, probably no more

[slim flare]

Are they actually from the same area and time?

[low bridge]

Yes

Amphimachairodus, Dinocrocuta, Sinotherium, Iranotherium, Paraelasmotherium, Tsaidamotherium, 5 giraffes of Liushu Formation etc

And maybe one bear

[median relic]

you're telling me you want all of this in the game??

[low bridge]

Nope

Only Dinocrocuta Gigantea to make Sino run for their money

[slim flare]

Meh

Dino isn’t even the largest hyena

Steppe hyena is superior

[low bridge]

How????

[slim flare]

It’s sister taxon to spotted hyena

So it has a bunch of cool behaviours in an environment distinct from extant hyena

[quick ore]

Cave Hyena is both the most likely and least hype choice on that list

[low bridge]

So i make one final poll be ready

🫣🫣

[sage gull]

[flint sable]

wher panthera pardus

[low bridge]

I forgot sorry dude

🫤

[median relic]

in the context of picking only one of these for the entire game, it's thyla for sure
but I'd prefer just putting thyla in an australia expansion

[flint sable]

same as above

[median relic]

PANTHERA PARDUS SPELAEA!!!! 🔥 🔥

[low bridge]

F.f Crocodylus Thorbjarnarsoni is the largest "True" crocodile ever

[median relic]

also consider: gulo gulo spelaea

[median relic]

I thought that was astorgosuchus

[low bridge]

One Bite crocky

[low bridge]

Astorgosuchus Bugtiensis was friend to Paraceratherium

Hmm everyone maybe don't know who Crocodylus Thorbjarnarsoni is truly 🫣

[median relic]

honestly you could make a whole pack dedicated to giant crocs (and croc adjacents, ofc)
sarcosuchus, astorgosuchus, deinosuchus rugosus/riograndensis, purussaurus, gryposuchus, stomatosuchus, machimosaurus (probably some species alts but idk which), crocodylus thorbjarnarsoni/anthropophagus,

[low bridge]

Crocodylus Thorbjarnarsoni will be Similar to panthera in game bc Crocodylus is living genus like Panthera

[low bridge]

Cerrejon formation has some crazy reptiles

Titanoboa

[hollow valve]

Carbonemys too.

That and several crocodile species.

[quick ore]

that poll is so lopsided lol
-basic machairodont
-subspecies of an extant hyena
-big crocodile
-unique large predatory marsupial that is one of the most iconic species of pleistocene australia
-mid big baboon carried by scary paleoart

[quick ore]

you're saying it wrong

Thorbjarnarsoni should be lowercase

[hollow valve]

Thylacoleo is probably going to be in a Pleistocene Australia Themed Update so it feels like something that’s getting in regardless.

[median relic]

thylacoleo is gonna be so FIRE 🔥
I hope it also gets a wakaleo alt

[quick ore]

would they really do a specifically pleistocene australia themed pack

or like

australia through time

[hollow valve]

Not sure, but Thylacoleo would be a great addition alongside Procoptodon, Diprotodon, Megalania, and a couple others.

[median relic]

tbh there isn't a lot worth getting from australia before pleistocene
I think australovenator could be basegame

[quick ore]

here would be my pleistocene Australia pack:
-Thylacoleo
-Diprotodon
-Dromornis
-Megalania
-Procoptodon
-Tiliqua frangens (terrarium)

what is crazy is that there is still so much you could add beyond these

[low bridge]

Elephant i want

[median relic]

replace dromornis with genyornis, add palorchestes, macropus titan, protemnodon, zygomaturus, quinkana, and dynatoaetus gaffae

[quick ore]

like you have the alts of these species along with stuff like Quinkana, Meiolania, etc.

[quick ore]

that list is huge are you crazy

[median relic]

???

[quick ore]

also Dynatoaetus is a flier

[median relic]

and

[quick ore]

we don't know when those would be added

[median relic]

we're not getting DLCs for a long time lol

[hollow flower]

I must say

[quick ore]

also why Genyornis

[hollow flower]

Of these 4, you can divide them into 2 groups

[median relic]

because unique ecology

cool hippo bird

[hollow flower]

Big headed herbi birds and Small headed herbi birds

[quick ore]

oh wait Dromornis wasnt pleistocene I forgot

[hollow flower]

I forget that too

This is a very difficult poll

All of these are lovely additions

[quick ore]

you would be asking for at least 11 species not counting alts and the terrarium animal

[hollow flower]

Gastornis has the edge in popularity and knowledge, Dromornis is larger and fits in with the rest of the australian animals

Same thing with the Moas and Elephant bird

[quick ore]

Gastornis would be cool to add in an Eocene/Paleocene dlc with stuff like Propaleotherium

[hollow flower]

I mean really it just towers over everything else

[median relic]

it's a dlc

bro ever since ZT zoo games have been getting more and more weak with their DLCs

[hollow flower]

I choose the Moa

[median relic]

it's an australia expansion, I don't think 11 species is that much for an expansion

[quick ore]

....
ZT2 had expansion packs, that is completely different

[median relic]

if you must, you can throw out protemnodon

[quick ore]

games don't really do that anymore

[median relic]

and zygomaturus

[quick ore]

also, the kind of models and extra work needed for just one of these species far exceeds the work necessary for literally any of the ZT2 animals

you could literally see the polygons on ZT2 animals

[hollow flower]

I feel that one of the better concepts for a DLC is an Australian pleistocene pack

Have Thylacoleo as base game

[quick ore]

asking for the same quantity with the insane kind of quality that PK delivers is just unrealistic

[median relic]

ehh idk

thylacoleo would be like the main seller of pleistocene australia

[hollow flower]

Well something has to be base game

At least one

[median relic]

not necessarily but ok sure

procoptodon

[hollow flower]

Thylacoleo, Procoptodon, Megalania, Quinkana, Genyornis (Dromornis is frankly a far better pick than it, if you include it change the name of the pack to cenozoic australia), Murrayglossus, Mekosuchus (If we go the Dromornis route)

Midway through writing this I figured that Diprotodon is in fact the best base game Australian pleistocene addition

[flint sable]

personally, I think that 3 australian animals base game would be reasonable

with them being Thylacoleo, Diprotodon, and Procoptodon would be best IMO

[hollow flower]

A good consensus

I considered Meiolania for it but its better off as an island dlc of some sort

(although Meko could probably also fit in that as a mini)

[tawny void]

Personnaly I hope some water animals like megalodon, mozazaure, or giant crocs like somone say before

[buoyant zephyr]

I wonder what creatures should be priority to get in base game

We need more Paleozoics, for starters

[short rover]

then...thats the answer?

[quick ore]

Homotherium is legitimately the only other cat that the game really needs imo
like other cats would definitely be cool but Homotherium is the only one I would consider to be a necessary addition

[autumn plover]

I don’t think we even need Homotherium

I’d rather get another bear or some of the dogs, or prehistoric hyenas

Just from carnivora

[steep carbon]

The giant raccoon or the Tennessee red panda

If we're getting more carnivora, anyway.

To bad there's not like, a fifteen foot skunk or something.

[quick ore]

I mean, it would be incredibly fitting

given the frozen cub and all

plus it was very distinct from Smilodon

[plush nacelle]

True. PK community is going to get huge reality check with these DLC expectations

[hollow flower]

Homotheriums the only other cat we need

However its on the back burner in additions

[silver steeple]

Tbh I do think PK will do "Expansions"

But only for aquatics and fliers

Everything else will almost certainly be smaller dlc packs like say JWE or PZ

[toxic oriole]

Like the "Recently Extinct Species" DLC that has been mentioned again and again

Honestly, I don't mind waiting far longer

[median relic]

can't wait to probably have a bluebuck (essentially a modern animal) in the same game and park as a mesozoic dinosaur

[toxic oriole]

Can't wait for the Tasmanian Tiger to use its Threat Yawn against an animal far larger than it

And then get startled by an animal that can do the same thing except theys much more threatening

Or for instance just getting bullied by a Velociraptor somehow

[median relic]

me tryna cohabit animals that have no business being in the same enclosure but I'm gonna make it work (palaeoloxodon and edmontosaurus)

[toxic oriole]

Aurochs herd with other horned animals, until the Proboscideans decide to scare away everyone but the Ceratopsians

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Aurochs went extinct a little more recently than the Direwolf or somewhere around the same point in time

I don't remember

[median relic]

when my cave wolverine escapes trying to dig up my tenontosaurus's eggs and since tenontosaurus is awesome she's like:

https://tenor.com/view/brock-samson-venturebros-go-ahead-try-to-gif-14270823

[toxic oriole]

And then a Cave Hyena pulls up towards a Cave Lion
(Cave? or Cape? Oh, Cave.)

[median relic]

lets get all the cave subspecies/species up in here

we've already got the cave lion and bear we've got a few more to go

[toxic oriole]

Oh right, the Cave Wolf as well

[median relic]

cave leopard, cave hyena, cave wolverine, cave wolf, caveman

[toxic oriole]

Actually wait, Cape Lion could come in the Recently Extinct Species DLC

[median relic]

cave lion is already in the game lol

[toxic oriole]

DAMMIT I KEEP FORGETTING HOW SIMILAR THEY ARE

Cape

Cave

(They arent really that similar, its just the names0

[median relic]

oh a CAPE lion

[silver steeple]

You say that like Ursus and Panthera aren't lmao

[toxic oriole]

Quite confusing though

[median relic]

that was just a population

[toxic oriole]

Cave and Cape Lions have a somewhat similar name (Cape n Cave)

[median relic]

I mean yeah they basically are lol
but still they died in the pleistocene or early holocene at least, bluebuck is like, an 1800s death iirc lol

[toxic oriole]

Cape Lion is the same case if I remember

[median relic]

idk I think we're good on lions

[silver steeple]

Aurochs went extinct in the mid 1600's

[median relic]

god aurochs were cool

why did we let em die

[silver steeple]

Fun fact

[toxic oriole]

Good grief how many potential candidates are there for this Recently Extinct Species DLC?

Ignoring the more popular ones

[silver steeple]

Julius Caeser wrote about Aurochs on one of his campaigns in Germany

[median relic]

mean beef machine

[median relic]

too many sadly

[toxic oriole]

Even a few extinct Tigers (Not the marsupial, the panther)

[silver steeple]

No extinct tiger is gonna be added lol

[median relic]

tbh extinct populations aren't as big of a tragedy

[silver steeple]

That's all subspecies nonsense

[median relic]

and yeah we've had our fill of panthera. I'd love a giant jaguar but panthera has been used

[median relic]

tbf so are cave hyenas and quaggas but people just gotta have em

[silver steeple]

We do not need any Crocuta tbh

Quagga at least has popularity

[sharp dock]

imagine we get the quagga but they just call it "Plains zebra"

[median relic]

just give me pachycrocuta or dinocrocuta for hyenas. I haven't looked into extinct hyenas a lot so idk what makes them special entirely

[toxic oriole]

Is there something about Hyenas that you dont like?

[median relic]

he means crocuta specifically, nothing out of the modern genus

[toxic oriole]

Oh okay

[median relic]

I think

[plush nacelle]

Cave hyena is like the only hyana this game needs

[sharp dock]

I think chasmaporthetes or pachycrocuta would be more interesting

[toxic oriole]

I don't get how primates would be tedious to animate, then again I'm no 3d animator so I don't know what to expect

[sharp dock]

Acinonyx pardinensis is the only cheetah this game needs 🤓

[median relic]

oh yeah chasma is that freaky sprinting hyena

love that guy

[median relic]

not literally a cheetah but MIRACINONYX PLEEEASE

[sharp dock]

whats up with people in this chat constantly saying whats needed and whats not like....

[median relic]

https://tenor.com/view/there-it-is-well-there-it-is-gif-8569483

[sharp dock]

that's pretty telling

[median relic]

a. man. can. dream.

[toxic oriole]

For one I can tell most bugs would be problematic to animate, especially with all those limbs

[sharp dock]

primates have complex hands and facial expressions that make them quite difficult to animate properly

[median relic]

I feel like that'd be the opposite right
unless we're talking long diplopods like arthropleura or whatever, bugs are pretty stiff outside of their legs

[toxic oriole]

So there might not be much Carboniferous representation in terms of insects n arachnids n stuff like that, except for a few other species that were present during the Carboniferous period

I think?

[sharp dock]

the carboniferous is a stagnant period that has had the same arrangement of creatures for god knows how long

[toxic oriole]

Eh, I'm willing to take a Sea Scorpion or the name of that one Carboniferous animal that wasnt an insect but had a sail on its back, or sail-like shape on its back

[sharp dock]

uhhhhh

[median relic]

platyhystrix

[sharp dock]

platyhystrix?

[median relic]

would make a fun mini

[sharp dock]

I would like to see hibbertopterus

funny guy

and could move on land

[toxic oriole]

Another one I'd like to see may be far too old, even older than the Cambrian

[median relic]

here's an animal I'd like to see

pontolis my goat

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-walrus-gif-22641131

[toxic oriole]

Eoandromeda-
WAIT WHAT IS THAT-

My reaction to the post above

Not to the Precambrian Ediacaran fossil

[silver steeple]

I also take issue with this tbh

[toxic oriole]

Have I ever said need in this area before? I don't remember

But yeah, Precambrian animals are a wishlist for me

[silver steeple]

He'd be really fun ngl

[median relic]

you gotta admit there are some necessary animals. Consider... rapator, medusaceratops, y'know....

[silver steeple]

That's like my #1 pinniped choice

[sharp dock]

rapator

[median relic]

honestly you can go with pontolis or gomphotaria

[sharp dock]

medusaceratops

you are kidding right

[median relic]

ofc

[sharp dock]

good 1

almost thought it was serious

but anyway yes Hibbertopterus

a cool feller

love himb

[silver steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[median relic]

for a big fat lard barge do you guys want pontolis or gomphotaria

[sharp dock]

Do we even know if there are chances that arthropleura and meganeura will come as minis or something?

[median relic]

gomphotaria has more pronounced tusks but is a little smaller

[toxic oriole]

People see Arthropleura as unlikely, and I can see why

[silver steeple]

Oh what dah hell

[sharp dock]

I cannot stress enough how these two are basically just walrus light

[silver steeple]

I like Pontolis more from an aesthetic perspective

[median relic]

so iirc gompho may have been more into the durophagous stuff while pontolis is a big nasty predator

[median relic]

that's fair and I think I agree

[silver steeple]

Its almost like they're ancestral to Walruses.......

[toxic oriole]

How the hell would one even attempt to animate godknowshowmany limbs and stuff on Arthropleura? Who would have the patience to do all that?

[median relic]

that is exactly what they are

[silver steeple]

Only gotta do it once

Thank you terrariums

[median relic]

love this art of pontolis pulling a desmostylian under 🔥

vicious fatty beast

[toxic oriole]

Now the Griffinflies of the Carboniferous though, I'd assume they wouldn't be as challenging TO ANIMATE as Arthropleura?

[sharp dock]

wdym as challenging

[toxic oriole]

To animate

[median relic]

considering dragonflies literally cannot walk and all you'd have to animate pretty much are the wings, yes

[toxic oriole]

Should've put that in there in the first place

[sharp dock]

They would be quite literally all the same difficulty to animate

they are all griffinflies

[median relic]

how

[silver steeple]

TIL they lived together

[sharp dock]

because they all have the same anatomy?

it's like expecting a different flavor of ice cream to be more different to put on a cone

[toxic oriole]

Having all Griffinflies is a bit of a stretch, a few would be fair

[sharp dock]

no

[median relic]

arthropleura is so long and has many moving parts
dragonflies (so presumably griffinflies) can only move their legs in a set motion to grab prey, all you'd have to animate are the wings and a bit of tail and head movement

[sharp dock]

just meganeura is fine, why would you want more

[sharp dock]

????

[median relic]

meganeuropsis lived with early permian stuff like edaphosaurus, it's also bigger. It's tough for me idk

[sharp dock]

I was replying to this

oh

edited

[median relic]

I was saying they wouldn't be as challenging to animate, yes

[sharp dock]

it said meganeura before

[toxic oriole]

Uhhh no it didnt say Meganeura

[left spear]

The only one i could see would be Caspian tigers (slightly different head shape) and even then It would be like adding atlas bears

[median relic]

it did not say meganeura

[sharp dock]

well I read meganeura 💀

so basically I read it as "would griffinflies be harder to animate than meganeura"

my bad

[median relic]

ok anyways

[sharp dock]

and regarding that idk, I'm not an animator