Community Species Suggestions

[plucky mantle]

We do know its size however and the fact it was found in a tropical archipelago is notable as well

My personal pick regardless is Ichthyovenator, not as small but still notably smaller than Bary, very distinct body, from an area of the globe otherwise not really ever going to get anything, and still from a tropical coastal environment

[limber nexus]

Yeah, I’m not trying to decide the roster, I’m trying to see what the community likes

[naive storm]

maisaura

[outer crater]

Castoroides

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/40/a2/46/40a246190b199df69afb44011c51ccc7.jpg

[quaint plank]

American cheetah

[wary nacelle]

Guanlong

Lythronax

Juratyrant

Oh and of course Irritator

[autumn plover]

I mean we don't even have the skull of Icthyovenator, that's a big part of any theropod's personality that we don't have a good basis off of

Also looking more into Suchomimus, Ceratosuchops and Riparovenator were recovered as closer to Sucho than Baryonyx, so if anything it gives more alt skin potential to Sucho than any other Spinosaur except Spinosaurus (unless you want to consider Oxalaia)

But again, Sucho actually has an animal from it's formation in-game, which means it actually boosts an existing species as well.

Rather than adding another animal that can only really be exhibited on it's own like Icthyovenator.

[plucky mantle]

the chances you can keep Suchomimus with Ouranosaurus is close to 0

also yeah we don't have a head but we have a distinct tail and very distinct torso

[slim flare]

Why Lythronax?

[wary nacelle]

King of Gore

Need I say more?

[quaint plank]

Yes

[wary nacelle]

More

[quaint plank]

I think lythro is just a smaller Rex, which isn’t needed

[wary nacelle]

Well it's cool

[quaint plank]

There’s a bunch of cooler theropods out there

[wary nacelle]

Correct

Like Juratyrant

[quaint plank]

Or suchomimus

[wary nacelle]

Or, get this

Moros

[ancient ibex]

What a meh restoration

[wary nacelle]

Nyeah... I'll find a better one

[ancient ibex]

Most complete Stokesosaur would be neat, it does cover a size range that other theropods don't

[quaint plank]

Dare I suggest appalachiasaurus

[wary nacelle]

Say it with me… “In CisioPurple we trust”

Actually

This looks like a meh raptor

I hate this restoration

[ancient ibex]

Stokesosaurs in general are quite neat in terms of their size, but shame they are incomplete

[wary nacelle]

Ya know what no we don't trust cisiopurole anymore

[ancient ibex]

It looks neat tho

[wary nacelle]

In this person we trust

WHY DOES THE QUALITY SUCK WAHHHH

[ancient ibex]

Same argument as Lythronax ngl

[quaint plank]

Yes, but from an area that’s rarely represented

[wary nacelle]

Ya know what lurdusaurus

[quaint plank]

hmmmm… no

[wary nacelle]

Why? It’s a cool semi-aquatic iguanodontid!

[low bridge]

Daspletosaurus when?

[wary nacelle]

Well kinda iguanodontid

[sand quail]

It's not really a semi aquatic anymore

[hollow flower]

It isnt?

Do tell

[hollow furnace]

It never really was

[quaint plank]

Jakapil, whatever it is

[ancient ibex]

There ya go

[wary nacelle]

Erior you're my hero you know that

[ancient ibex]

Mario Lanzas is an incredible artist, but finding specific pieces of art, between his DeviantArt, his Tumblr, his Twitter... tends to take a while

[wary nacelle]

nyeah

[short rover]

Yes

[wary nacelle]

More

[plush nacelle]

There is nothing stopping devs from making lurdu semi-aquatic, right?

[wary nacelle]

Well we don't have deep diving yet

In the future probably not

If we ofc get deep diving

[short rover]

not really i guess

[quaint plank]

The question is why make it semi-aquatic

[plucky mantle]

Nigersaurus is objectively the best option to put with Ourano tbh

very unique not just amongst sauropods but in general, herbivore so can actually go with Ourano as well obv

[quaint plank]

Kentrosaurus isn’t a terrible idea

[plucky mantle]

Also it's mostly complete which helps.

[short rover]

its a banger idea

[plush nacelle]

Perhaps speculative, but I think it is very interesting niche to have.

[floral rune]

I know it isn't much (some may even call it lazy because we have Edmontosaurus and Ugunaluk in the game), but I wouldn't mind seeing Shantungosaurus in the game. (Plus, I wondered about the size comparison of it compared to Tarbosaurus, Deinocheirus, and (most especially, and was the one I'm actually interested in seeing how their sizes compare to each other) Charonosaurus.)

[wary nacelle]

Hear me out… a unique animal… kaprosuchus
-# though this isn’t the best reconstruction

[plain linden]

would be cool

[short rover]

eh maybe, its kinda just a normal croc with fucked up teeth

[floral rune]

Otherwise, I wouldn't mind seeing Rugops and Tameryraptor added to the game. (Though not sure how Tameryraptor would work, given that Carcharodontosaurus already exists in the game.)

[short rover]

it wasnt terrestrial

[wary nacelle]

I know it’s like an old theory but hadn’t it galloped? We’ve seen theories in PK before like Charonosaurus’s crest (though that is common knowledge.) So I could think they could make it gallop

[short rover]

no

it being terrestrial isnt supported by any evidence

Charnosaurus' crest change is based on its recent phylogeny

[hollow furnace]

The “galloping croc” is based on a misinterpretation combining Kaprosuchus with another crocodylomorph found at the same site I suspect

[wary nacelle]

Nyeah

[plucky mantle]

To be fair it does have pretty weird eye placement which is allegedly where the theory comes from but it def doesn't make much sense

[short rover]

better than nothing, but i thought the eye placement was consistent throughout the clade?

or no

[plucky mantle]

afaik it's unique amongst Neosuchians

basically just gave it binocular vision which is weird but not inherently a sign it's terrestrial

[wary nacelle]

Okay, I found a unique and interesting extinct animal and it’s not a dinosaur!
josephoartigasia everyone

(though everyone should want this)

[short rover]

its alright its cool that its a big rodent

but its not a giant capybara as commonly depicted

[wary nacelle]

Nyeah

BUT WE SHOULD STILL WANT IT

[short rover]

its fun i wouldnt mind it

[wary nacelle]

This is better

Though he looks like he would say “Erm acshually ☝️🤓”

And then laugh at you in the most annoying way

Also can’t forget Megalania (Varanus priscus)

[short rover]

varanus would be peak

[wary nacelle]

I would die for it

Actually I wouldnt

It would probably make me die

but it’s peak

[short rover]

thylacoleo, procoptodon, diprotodon, varanus

all peak picks from pleistocene australia

[wary nacelle]

Real

I also think Nyasasaurus would be cool considering it is one of, if not, the oldest dinosaurs we’ve found

[short rover]

for early dinosaurs or dinosaur-like things id want silesaurus, eoraptor, and herrera

got a rep from every major diverging lineage

[wary nacelle]

I would love Herrera

[short rover]

ornithischians, sauropodomorphs, and theropods

[wary nacelle]

We need more Triassic animals imo

[short rover]

if herrera is a dinosaur

[wary nacelle]

Okay wait…

Yunnanosaurus

[short rover]

maybe

[wary nacelle]

Or what’s the larger sauropodomorph

Plateo right?

Or didn't we find a large one recently

Wait sauropodomorphs include sauropods

So it would be argent

[hollow flower]

I am a huge triassic fan

However most of the cool things from the Triassic arent dinosaurs

The Aetosaurs, Phytosaurs, Rauisuchids, Drepanosaurs, Sauropterygian off shoots, etc

[outer crater]

and synapsids

[naive storm]

We need this

[tidal estuary]

man i kinda regret voting for utahraptor, shouldve been hesperonis fr

[ancient ibex]

Hypsilophodon as the least dinosaur is a classic yet fine choice

[weak wind]

Could use some giant sloths for the mammal representation! Megalonyx would be a great example (and a fun name)

[slim flare]

Least dinosaur?

[ancient ibex]

Sorry; the most basic, least appealing one

[slim flare]

Ah, I thought that was a fancy way of saying smallest

[short rover]

Im really curious about what the remaining mini animals are

[ancient ibex]

It is used as such for some animals fwiw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_weasel

Of course, that makes Megalictis the most weasel, and that'd be a fine choice

[short rover]

isnt least used in combination with "great"

[ancient ibex]

Lesser and greater are, but not sure if least has a pairing

[short rover]

nvm im thinking of lesser

[ancient ibex]

(plus, "most weasel" is an old joke, often used for wolverines lol)

[quaint plank]

That’s not my Wolverine

[lean hound]

Bit late but Sinosauropteryx is a popular choice

[short rover]

its commonly suggested but i dont think itll be in u16

kinda similar to compy and mau said the dinosaurs are "weird"

[ancient ibex]

Sinosauro would be pretty much a nice extra; take Compy and tweak the model and skin; fun nice extra down the line

[fresh ember]

TBH, beyond diet, which may clash with the lizard, I'm having trouble finding a situation where one of the terrarium dinosaurs isn't gonna be an alvarezsaur.

[ebon willow]

Prionosuchus🤑

Diabloceratops

[short rover]

An alvarezsaur and a heterodontosaur seem likely to me

[autumn plover]

I mean if we get another animal from the Erlhaz formation that really only adds to the appeal of adding Sucho if we were to get a third Spinosaur. We have Muttaburrasaurus and Leallynasaura from Australia. If we were to get a Megaraptorid, i'd argue that Australovenator would make more sense than something like Aerosteon or Megaraptor itself simply because it fills out a formation. Icthyovenator would add a new formation but nothing else to go with it. Also Sucho is a piscivore, as long as you are putting in adult Ourano's and Niger's, have enough fish feeders im sure it will be fine. Even if not I still think it adds to a formation to have more than just 1-2 animals to hunt. If we were to get something like a peaceful mode that wouldn't even be an issue.

Also please forgive my spelling it is very late

[desert flame]

hyracotherium is my best mimi.

[outer crater]

Aquilops

https://images.app.goo.gl/n2DtGZ1nPTeURz2T8

[slim flare]

I don’t think I realised bipedal ceratopsians had four ground-contact toes

[plain knoll]

I’d really like some South American Pleistocene Megafauna like Megatherium, Doedicurus, Glyptodon, Mylodon, Eremotherium, Notiomastodon, Toxodon, Neochoerus, Aenocyon, Arctotherium, Macrauchenia, and Hemiauchenia as I think the megafauna of South America is very under appreciated, also maybe the extinct Jaguar subspecies known as the Patagonian Panther (P. onca mesembrina) would be cool if extinct subspecies of extant species are considered for the game

[charred hatch]

Agreed

Protocyon and Arctotherium wingei would also be epic

[plain knoll]

Forgot about Protocyon but that would be sick now that you mention it

[limber nexus]

I’m putting this here again

https://forms.gle/vYDq9PSfEuoBTGxs9

[fallow knoll]

Would Ornithomimus or Struthiomimus be better?

[outer crater]

Carno and cerato are already planned I think

but I saw both on the form

[short rover]

theyre not technically confirmed so theyre on the poll

[wary nacelle]

You know what would be really cool?

Cause I don’t!

[tidal estuary]

whats the poll count now?

[naive storm]

toxodon ive already suggested it but gonna bring it up again because its sooo cool

as well as the maisaurua

[lean hound]

Yeah I don’t

[bold sinew]

I am enlisting support for advocating for Atopodentatus

Triassic herbivorous marine reptile. Earliest known herbivorous marine reptile

[sick pasture]

Kauaʻi bird (Moho braccatus)

[safe kestrel]

all of them

[low bridge]

No Choosen ones gonna Fit

[safe kestrel]

all of them

[low bridge]

Devs will be angry at adding all of them to game

[short rover]

Continually disappointed by lack of dwarf pronghorn inclusion

[plush nacelle]

Mylodon the best option

[short rover]

Mylodon ain’t even in la brea

So idk why it’s in the poll lol

[plush nacelle]

This why it is the best

[low bridge]

No wonder what wins this poll

Oh i forget Discokeryx

😳

[low bridge]

No one wants bizzare mammal from Cenozoic

[ebon willow]

Are you sure?

[low bridge]

Only 7 people voted poll

[ebon willow]

Still there are people who wants em

Platybelodon sounds like an good choice of an extinct mammal to add if you ask me

[short rover]

That’s because most people don’t care about the polls

[charred hatch]

All

[marble cradle]

Frankly I just hope we get a ceratosaur before EA is done

A noasaur particularly would be nice but I understand it’s not super likely

Surprised we don’t have a member of the third “major” theropod group yet

[ancient ibex]

Carnotaurus seems a likely animal in U20, so technically not EA but is in by full release

[marble cradle]

Mhm

[toxic oriole]

Pretty sure Stegosaurus itself is confirmed to join alongside Allosaurus in a future build

I think 16 or 17, I forgot

[slim flare]

U17 probably

[left spear]

I Will say i would love Desmodus draculae as a mini for many reasons, it's probably the only truly normal bat we could get, besides that there's vulcanops which i wouldn't say it's normal, it's also in the same genus as modern vampire Bats which gives It that cool normal kingdom panthera flavour i like so much, and i also think Nigel could have some fun Lines with It. Oh and It would be cool that (assuming new minis sleep) they were nocturnal for pretty obvious reasons, since there's no cave mini-exhibit they would go in tropical.

Also if those things escaped they would be a terrible cattle pest

[outer moth]

I’d have to wait till terrariums get more elaboration before speculating about terrarium species

[left spear]

Fair

[outer moth]

Is interesting to note that there will be no biomes

For terrariums

Only substrate types

Temp

And humidity

[left spear]

Oh yeah, huh then i don't know what Desmodus would use

[outer moth]

Prolly gravel or leaf litter

[left spear]

For temp i imagine 20 low c° and pretty high humidity

[left spear]

I mean if you wanna go realistic for permanent housing It would be guano

Tho i Guess that would make itself

[slim flare]

Desmodus stocki is superior

[left spear]

I mean we don't know if new minis can't have alts

Tho wasn't stocki much more """terrestrial"""

Also draculae has a better name

[slim flare]

No? It’s just larger

[left spear]

Well then do both

[slim flare]

There’s no terrarium alts

[left spear]

Do we know in new ones?

Like after just a model change

[outer moth]

Eh, idk, but terrarium alts should be a thing

[left spear]

And a minor one at that

[left spear]

Yeah, after all It should be the same as regular alts but scoped down

So have Both, make draculae more social and tropical and stocki more solitary and grasslandy

[slim flare]

There’s no terrarium alts, and no terrarium biomes

[left spear]

Well yeah not biomes

But like change the substrate

Also would be fun if one of them was very light grey, similar to honduran White bats

As for mini alts while they don't exist yet i don't see why they couldn't in the future

[slim flare]

We should only look at one

[left spear]

Eh

I mean fair but also why

[slim flare]

Because alts aren’t for terrarium species

[left spear]

Again why shouldn't they in the future

Sure it's spec

But all this thread is spec

[slim flare]

We don’t know if they will

[left spear]

We don't know if Desmodus Will make It at all

Be Happy and dream

(Not like the devs take this Channel seriously either)

But i Will say any Desmodus Will do

[outer moth]

I really hope terrariums get tons of decor though

[left spear]

Yeah

[outer moth]

Like hella customization

[left spear]

Lots of fungi please

Oh and for decor colonies of that bioluminescent mosquito larvae would be nice

I really want to be able to make home-made cave terrariums

[outer moth]

Also

Should Iani smithi be a Tenonto alt if Tenonto gets added back

[limber nexus]

https://forms.gle/7uovKWfn9zcTCByP7

Here is the poll again

If your interested, please vote

And share it to anyone who might be interested

[fallow knoll]

Would Homalocephale or Prenocephale be better?

[quaint plank]

Sphaeortholus

[fallow knoll]

A part of me rly wants all 25 JPOG dinosaurs

[quaint plank]

Albertosaurus my beloved

[fallow knoll]

Since PK started with the mission of being a JPOG successor, it feels right

Even JWE1 ended its run by eventually adding all 25

[plush nacelle]

Prenocephale way better

[outer moth]

Preno for the nostalgia tbh

[fallow knoll]

What about both?

[outer moth]

Both could do

I really ain’t miffed on pachy species since they’re an underrated clade

I’m fine as long as we get Pachy n Stegoceras

[slim flare]

Stegoceras is probably not coming

[outer moth]

Why’s that?

[slim flare]

Pachycephalosaurus is hyper popular and unique, its coming

Prenocephale was previously EA, and is basically the replacement for JPOG’s Homalocephale due to it being problematic, so it’s coming

Stegoceras would really only come as an alt of Prenocephale and idk if that’d even work

[outer moth]

The alt solution won’t work, the cladograms don’t match up

[slim flare]

Clades I don’t think matter

[outer moth]

It’s too distant

Won’t work

Plus Stegoceras has its own alts

Personally I want Stegoceras for the dinosaur park roster

[fallow knoll]

How is Homalocephale problematic?

[slim flare]

It’s a juvenile that we don’t know what the adult looks like

[sick pasture]

Megalochelys 🐢

[deep lake]

a n z u

[deep lake]

Orkoraptor https://youtu.be/7PxFMAe-MZA?si=N9zSxBWHYpVB75NZ

[ancient ibex]

The holotype, MPM-Pv 3457 was excavated in 2001 and consists of a right postorbital, a right quadratojugal, a probable right coronoid, eight isolated teeth, the intercentrum of the atlas and its right neurapophysis, two proximal caudal vertebrae, the proximal half of the right tibia, eight fragmentary ribs, and three incomplete chevrons.

The common opinion of handling megaraptors with alts is due to barely having enough material for a full skeleton with all the stuff across the entire cretaceous

[vernal canopy]

Mastodonsaurus would be nice - because it's a big temnyspondyl that doesn't have to be a Terrarium animal (since fossils indicate that Mastodonsaurus didn't have a larval stage).

[ancient ibex]

Honestly, once we have fully aquatic animals, I could see some tadpoles being viable; stuff like Eryops babies sticking to water and having axolotl-esque gills, and becoming more prone to going to land as they age... But as is, grampsfish and the like work better for terrariums

[left spear]

Would be fun if Prionosuchus and other large temnospondyls were the reverse, semiaquatic when small and borderline fully aquatics when adult

(also please a gilled prionosuchus skin)

[left spear]

Something like Hesperornis could be like that too

[sullen moon]

Megaraptors: One of my favorite theropod clades in the Mesozoic, these predators would bring a great diversity for more carnivore variety. Having the longest claws of any predator, the Megaraptorans thrived in their vicinity’s, establishing themselves as the apex predators of their respective region to the point where Mother Nature herself couldn’t stop their reign.

And here’s the Family Tree

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yEEwdubvn34&pp=ygUzdGhlIGFic29sdXRlIHdvcnN0IGRpbm9zYXVyIHlvdSB3b3VsZCBnZXQgY2F1Z2h0IGJ5

[sand quail]

Ingentia!

[cinder python]

Just learned about this behemoth

[idle hearth]

All of them

[idle hearth]

All of them

[plain knoll]

Neocnus (the 2 on the ground), a small, arboreal Megalocnid Sloth comparable in size to modern 3-Toed Sloths, would be a pretty cool exhibit animal since there currently are no Cenozoic Exhibit Animals

[toxic oriole]

Alright screw it, since I found out about this bird recently
Gargantuavis philoinos

A flightless bird of the Mesozoic Era, and its a big one too

Lived on an island, had little competition unless you bring Azdharcid pterosaurs into the picture

There were no megatheropod non-avian dinosaurs on the island, just small theropods

Bird is about the size of in between the modern day Cassowary and Ostrich, two of the few largest EXTANT theropods

Nothing more, nothing less

Largest bird of the mesozoic

[ancient ibex]

This is what we have of Gargantuavis

For all we know, it may be instead something similar to fellow weird Jeholornis-grade bird Balaur

[lean hound]

#1294392932740104233

[vernal canopy]

Neocnus was about the size of a beaver - probably a little too big to be a Terrarium animal.

[plain knoll]

this is my source for that, if this is wrong i apologize

[vernal canopy]

Sorry, I'm getting my Caribbean ground sloths mixed up - Neocnus was about cat-sized.

However, Neocnus wasn't as arboreal as modern tree sloths - so it probably would be round the lower end of a regular exhibit animal.

[plain knoll]

maybe got it mixed up with Acratocnus

[plain knoll]

that is a good point

idk I’ve seen Zoos that keep Monkeys that are only a bit smaller than Neocnus in exhibits kind of like the ones in PK so it could probably be done

also Anteaters

but Neocnus could also work as a normal habitat animal too

[cinder python]

Ok didn’t know that

[vernal canopy]

Personally, I'd argue the big focus for post-EA species/DLCs, at least initially, should be fleshing out formations - say, Diplodocus, Camptosaurus and Ceratosaurus for Morrison or Deinonychus, Sauropelta and Tenontosaurus for Cloverly.

[charred hatch]

Agreed

[slim flare]

NO

[toxic oriole]

Can you stop being such a downer?

[slim flare]

Yeah the fictional bird is cool

[toxic oriole]

Oh you think its a fake?

[slim flare]

I’d 100% agree but we have nothing and know nothing

[toxic oriole]

"Have nothing"

[slim flare]

I’m not saying it’s fake, I’m saying we have a few bones and that’s it. We don’t know what it looked like.

[toxic oriole]

Eh, depictions are fair enough

[ancient ibex]

Nope

[toxic oriole]

-_-

Jeez, what the hells your guys' problem?

[slim flare]

Because what you like is a fictional bird

It was very much made up with imagination of the few bones we have

[toxic oriole]

Good GRIEF can you guys stop being a bunch of contrarians for once?

[slim flare]

It’s not even the average Titanosaur because at least we know what sauropods look like

[ancient ibex]

I literally wrote a master's thesis on Mesozoic birds; Gargantuavis is just a misterious pelvis that had been assummed ratite-like in the same years we were assumming we had actual modern plovers in Hell Creek; we have learned far more about bird relationships since the late 90s, and the main takeway with Gargantuavis is that we cannot make assumptions

[slim flare]

It’d be like doing the 1990’s Deinocheirus which was a gigantic Ornithomimus

[toxic oriole]

Wasnt the bird itself located on an ISLAND?

[slim flare]

Based Erior

[ancient ibex]

We literally cannot rule out Balaur being the same animal, that's how messed up it is

[slim flare]

Um, yeah?

[toxic oriole]

THE HELL IS BALAUR?

[slim flare]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balaur_bondoc

[plain linden]

Oh hey it´s the dinosaur bird thing i heard from dinosaur simulator

[toxic oriole]

Do you guys always have to be this way?
Jeez

I just wanted a damn mesozoic bird that aint a non-avian dinosaur

[slim flare]

I mean it’s a very legitimate criticism

We do not know what it was like at all

Same with Brontornis

[ancient ibex]

Balaur is borderline less troublesome (but it is still messy and the lack of head doesn't help)

[slim flare]

I wouldn’t suggest Balaur either until we get head material or something close enough to make better inferences

[toxic oriole]

Y'know what? I'm just suggesting it anyway

[ancient ibex]

Hesperornis is a very valid animal to add to the game, but it'd have to be alongside other aquatic stuff

[toxic oriole]

The hell is this bias anyway? "Species with little to no fossil evidence do not deserve to be in the game"

What even is this?

[ancient ibex]

Making up animals is not that good ngl

[slim flare]

"Species we do not have any firm understanding of how to reconstruct them do not deserve to be in the game"

[ancient ibex]

If Gargantuavis was a ratite-like animal, that'd be awesome

But as is it IS a massive headache

[toxic oriole]

Genuinely, you guys seem quite rude to me

[slim flare]

I’d be suggesting it too if we had a decent skeleton

[toxic oriole]

I don't even know what it is

But it just seems rude

[ancient ibex]

Pushback is not rudeness

[slim flare]

And it’s not personal

[plain knoll]

I think Gargantuavis is a cool suggestion I want big bird too

[slim flare]

If you want a big bird why not Gastornis, Genyornis or any terror bird?

[ancient ibex]

Not my intention to come out as rude, I'm sorry for giving that impression, but I have to disagree on the notion of Gargantuavis, as we know it at the moment, to be a good addition to the game, as its actual nature is being questioned

[outer moth]

I want Balur too, trust me
But I want them to find a skull first before that
Tis all

I’m a simple man

[plain knoll]

I want Aepyornis more than any other bird tbh

[ancient ibex]

Elephant birds AND moas will rock

[toxic oriole]

I think we might as well discuss this in the science chat later, but for now...

Uhhh

[slim flare]

I didn’t include elephant birds or moas because presumably at least one is coming in the RE DLC

[plain knoll]

but Gargantuavis is cool because it’s proof that birds could be large and flightless even in the presence of predatory Non Avian Dinosaurs and giant Azdarchids

[toxic oriole]

Steppe Brown Bear?

Would that one work>

Could be nice to have some more bears

[slim flare]

I don’t think we’re getting more Ursus ever

[toxic oriole]

Really, just ONE?

[slim flare]

Really, just one.

[ancient ibex]

Arctodus is not Ursus

[toxic oriole]

I don't understand how they do things around here

[ancient ibex]

But it is a fine candidate to the game

[toxic oriole]

I really don't understand how this works, how they add species n stuff

Decisions, stuff

Its just confusing

And what I mean by "Add species" its not coding them into the game n stuff like that, models n designs...

Rather how they choose to decide which animal gets into the game and which one doesnt

[ancient ibex]

In a planning session, years in advance, to have work organiced to a degree

Also, by what the devs want, it is their game after all

Allosaurus, Stegosaurus and Baryonyx had been confirmed as coming to the game over 2 years in advance of their likely debut, for instance

[toxic oriole]

That one I know of, those three

Hmmmm

I have a feeling Giganotosaurus itself may be considered for POST EA n stuff, don't know what

Either way, uhhh

[quaint plank]

Honestly I see no reason to add giga

[toxic oriole]

Welp, time to suggest some shark species (I am aware they do want aquatic species at some point, though thats a long ways ahead, this is just for that timeline where they manage to get something working for that concept)

[ancient ibex]

I mean, deinonychosaurs as a whole descend from Archaeopteryx-like animals, so there is not much that stops Utahraptor from being a large flightless bird

[toxic oriole]

Isnt that the same for Troodontids or stuff?

[ancient ibex]

Yeah!

[toxic oriole]

I know Dromaeosaurs n Troodontids are sister species to the Avialans, and modern birds, but extinct cousins...

[ancient ibex]

(Deinonychosaurs are Dromaeosaurs+Troodonts)

[plain knoll]

It still has other adaptations that true birds lack like a tail to help with blance

I think Gargantuavis is interesting bc it shows those adaptations aren’t completely necessary for a bird to get big in the Mesozoic despite there being predators

[ancient ibex]

If Gargantuavis is close to Elopteryx (which may be the same animals as Balaur), and those are Jeholornis-grade animals, Gargantuavis would likely have a long tail

[plain knoll]

that’s true

i didn’t know it’s validity was so debated

[toxic oriole]

Is there even a better source to this paleontology stuff than Wikipedia?

Cause I get most of that stuff from Wikipedia

[ancient ibex]

Wikipedia has quite neat links in its citations

Plenty of research papers there

[toxic oriole]

Yeah and I don't have the patience to read an entire GIGANTIC paper, which is like an entire video games lore written down, everything

Head hurts most of the time, I prefer some simplified stuff, not complex papers like that

Either way, now to get into potential shark species for that timeline when they DO manage to get something working for aquatic species

Mayhaps shark-like species as well

[ancient ibex]

The ratfish combo of Stethacanthus and Helicoprion, hehehe

One far smaller than you imagine, the other far larger

[toxic oriole]

And the first few on my list would be:
Cretoxyrhina
Antarcolamna
Cladoselache
Carcharodon hubbelli
Otodus n stuff, starting with obliquus and then Megalodon later down the line

(Then again, Megalodon may be TOO BIG for the game)

[slow shoal]

nah meg is a shoe in

its practically guaranteed if aquatics come

[toxic oriole]

Now, the reason I went with Carcharodon hubbelli is kinda simple
I didn't realise it was a transitional species in between said shark ancestor and the modern day Great White Shark

[short rover]

Meg def coming imo

[toxic oriole]

Or at least stated to be a transitional species from a different shark that was a common ancestor of Mako's n White Sharks

[slow shoal]

maybe should make a prediction for the intial updates for aquatic and aerial roster

wonder what a good number would be

[toxic oriole]

This is what I found on hubbels white shark
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcharodon_hubbelli

I like the idea of an aquatic species thats a transitional species

Then again, tiktaalik is TECHNICALLY (not really) gonna fill that role by then

[short rover]

I’d say 15 for each? Or maybe 20 including minis? 20 overall aquatics 20 overall Ariels

I’ve made a similar list

[toxic oriole]

(At least from how I see it, I don't know much about Tiktaalik other than it being a transitional species between something and specific land dwelling animals)

[slow shoal]

i feel for a free update 15 is prolly the max or pushing it

[short rover]

Fair, I assumed the 5 would be minis

[ancient ibex]

FWIW, when individual makos get to huge sizes, their teeth start to become more spearhead-like than needle-like

[short rover]

Which aren’t really “full” animals

[slow shoal]

ye

[short rover]

But yeah I’ve made on of those a bit back

[toxic oriole]

Now with Cretoxyrhina? I mean, come on

[short rover]

I think it was 15 with 2 minis and the rest full species

[slow shoal]

ik mosa / tylo would def be in, i assume they likely could be alts

[toxic oriole]

I would 100% want the Sharp Nose Shark

Maybe Leptostyrax as well, I don't know

[short rover]

Iirc I had pliosaurus, elasmo, meg, basilo, jaekelopterus

Shoni

[ancient ibex]

Mosa and Tylo are incredibly different as far as mosasaurs go tho; both would be welcome and with multiple species each, don't get me wrong

[slow shoal]

the roster imo would be somethin like - Mosa / Tylo, Elasmo, Megalodon, a pliosaur, an icthy or two, dunk, and then some minis

[short rover]

Oh yeah I had dunk as well

[slow shoal]

and maybe throw a whale in there too

[short rover]

Basilo

[slow shoal]

personally want basilo more than levi

[toxic oriole]

Ah yes, Basilosaurus

[slow shoal]

basilo just has the sea serpent vibes

[ancient ibex]

Or Odobeno if they want to have small stuff as well as the larger ones

[toxic oriole]

I don't know why its called Basilosaurus despite it being a whale

[short rover]

They thought it was a big lizard

[slow shoal]

they thought it wasnt a whale at first

[toxic oriole]

That one I am aware of, it was mistaken to be a marine reptile or something

Then a name change happened, which I already forgot its old name

[short rover]

Did it?

[toxic oriole]

And then back to Basilosaurus

Oh, its Zeuglodon or something

The former name I think?

[short rover]

Interesting

[toxic oriole]

All I know is that something came out that decided to revert Basilosaurus back to Basilosaurus instead of Zeuglodon

Thats what I can remember

[ancient ibex]

Zeuglodon was erected for a definite whale (as theme naming with Dorudon as well), but Basilosaurus had already been used, and well, priority

[toxic oriole]

So basically a Brontosaurus situation BEFORE Brontosaurus became a seperate species from apatosaurus 10 years ago

(Well, AGAIN)

[ancient ibex]

excelsus had always been a separate species; Apatosaurus and Brontosaurus being separate genera is not as clear cut despite the paper

[outer moth]

Giga sells a DLC better

Then as an EA species

[ancient ibex]

The tragedy of Basilosaurus is that the guy that COINED THAT NAME agreed that Zeuglodon was a better name, that he was mistaken, but that couldn't be changed

[toxic oriole]

I guess I'll suggest Tameryraptor, unless something changes with that one

[outer moth]

The only reason I see it as a candidate is because Giga is symbolically the 3rd member of the big 3

[toxic oriole]

Perhaps we could refer to it as a synonym for Basilosaurus?

If we havent been doing that already

[ancient ibex]

I was honestly expecting multiple Carcharodontosaurine alts, but that's how things went; Giga would be a lower effort way of getting publicity for a pack, which is always a plus from a game dev perspective

[ancient ibex]

It is a synonym, but that means it cannot be used as a name

[toxic oriole]

Aww man...

Oh well, this happens

[ancient ibex]

Also, the most objective synonym you can have, as it was an attempt at renaming an specific specimen

Can't really separate Basilo and Zeuglodon

Yeah, had it wrong, Dorudon was named as an homage to Zeuglodon, but can't really do much more

[toxic oriole]

... I think I got a strange idea for a semi-aquatic thats mostly aquatic but can go on land
Allodesmus

All I know about Allodesmus is that its a hook toothed seal

And that it PROBABLY co-existed with Otodus Megalodon and Livyatan

(I only say probably because... Yeah I aint 100% sure)

[slow shoal]

so my idea for the starting roster for the free update (to be expanded upon later in the massive update) is - Mosasaurus, Tylosaurus, Elasmosaurus, Liopluerodon, Ichthyosaurus, Otodus, Dunkleosteus, Basilosaurus, Temnodontosaurus, Archelon, Stethacanthus (Mini), Anomalocaris (Mini), Sphenodiscus or some other ammonite (Mini)

[toxic oriole]

I do know of the "Recently Extinct Species" DLC that has been confirmed, so I guess you can say its 100% confirmed that Stellars Sea Cow would be coming in (Poor guy though, it was in the process of natural extinction till humans sped up the process)

Okay maybe also that river dolphin, baiji or something?

I forgot the name of it

[slow shoal]

eh i kinda doubt they will get in

considering those need to be full aquatics

and the recently extinct dlc is gonna be like the first one

[ancient ibex]

They may make it down the line, nothing is stopping other recent extinctions to be added to the game later

At this rate make room for the vaquita

[slow shoal]

true

[toxic oriole]

(Or the "Lost Shark")

[slow shoal]

may make a recently extinct dlc prediction

[limber nexus]

If you haven’t voted in the poll, please votes

[limber nexus]

The Quagga should honest just be an Equis alt species

[slow shoal]

thats the plan iirc

[toxic oriole]

BUT ISNT THE QUAGGA A ZEBRA?!?!?!?

WOULDN'T THEY HAVE TO ADD A MODERN ZEBRA!??!?!?!?!

[slow shoal]

quagga and other extinct horses

[toxic oriole]

ONE THATS STILL ALIVE!?!?!??!?!

[slow shoal]

nah they have panthera

which is a modern genus

[toxic oriole]

Oh, right

Cave Lion and the other guy

Hmmmm

Alot of people seem to agree with Ancient Coelacanth species being implemented

(And a few living fossils in its own DLC)

(... Wait wouldn't that mean the Goblin Shark itself would be in PK? Its a living fossil afaik)

[ancient ibex]

Living fossil is a bit of a misnomer ttbt

Goblin sharks AFAIK are just deep sea specialists

[quaint plank]

And how would you differentiate it gameplay wise?

[ancient ibex]

No need to

It is giga

[quaint plank]

It’s still another large carcharodontosaurid

[ancient ibex]

And

No need to make it unique "gameplay wise"

[quaint plank]

I’m not saying there’s no purpose to adding it, I’m simply saying I don’t understand why people want it

[toxic oriole]

Design-wise, I think someone could figure it out

[ancient ibex]

People like it

[toxic oriole]

Its also part of "The Big Three" megatheropod trinity n stuff

[ancient ibex]

No need to make it special or distinct, people just, y'know, like it

[toxic oriole]

Or are there more?

[limber nexus]

Most of the animals aren’t unique gameplay wise
Giga is a cool animals and would be a neat dlc down the line, but it’s not needed now

[ancient ibex]

There is no need to have multiple skins per animal, and yet we get them

[outer moth]

Eh, I see it personally having more differences in appearance then gameplay wise

[ancient ibex]

Game as a rule gives plenty of different stuff to choose from, and that's great

[quaint plank]

It’d probably only be a visual difference

[outer moth]

Giga has a somewhat similar habitat to Carcha

[toxic oriole]

Mapusaurus

[limber nexus]

Giga is cool and I wouldn’t be mad is it gets added in a dlc, but it shouldn’t be added any time soon

[outer moth]

Agreed

[ancient ibex]

Imagine we didn't get rex, but had Tarbo, and people were telling others that "wanting rex is bad"

[quaint plank]

Knowing me, I probably would be that guy

I am not a fan of rex

[toxic oriole]

Tyrannosaurus Mcreeansis

Eh

[quaint plank]

that one’s fine bc it’s newer

[outer moth]

Same logic goes to Shantunga
It coulda been an alt but now it’s most likely that Shant will be a DLC species

[ancient ibex]

And edmontosaurs are already 3 species

[quaint plank]

Shant I can kinda see why

[outer moth]

Unless devs change their alt philosophy, ofcs

[quaint plank]

It’s the largest known hadrosaur

[outer moth]

Shant literally dwarfs every non sauropod land animal

[quaint plank]

Yuh

[toxic oriole]

Not to mention its the largest NONSAUROPOD dinosaur

[ancient ibex]

Eh, it ties with the largest elephants and rhinos

15 ton ballpark

[outer moth]

Damn

[toxic oriole]

Alt philosophy?

[outer moth]

Must be a heavy ball

[quaint plank]

Like the pokeball?

[ancient ibex]

Indeed

15 tons is still Diplodocus and Camarasaurus size range, so it is very impressive

[toxic oriole]

I don't understand why Seismosaurus would be a good alt for Diplodocus, then again its still just Diplodocus but a specific species

Diplodocus hallorum I think

[quaint plank]

Speaking of diplodocus, would a barosaurus alt make sense?

[toxic oriole]

Thanks for reminding me about Barosaurus

[quaint plank]

It’s one of the sauropods of all time

[toxic oriole]

I do remember a video that said Barosaurus is "The real largest dinosaur of all time" according to some youtube video

Though that was YEARS ago

[quaint plank]

Every titanosaur apparently isn’t real

[toxic oriole]

Maraapunisaurus moment

[quaint plank]

We need some small sauropods

[toxic oriole]

yes

[quaint plank]

Maybe not right now, but at some point

[toxic oriole]

Baby sauropods in PK isnt enough despite them being cute

Europasaurus would be a good fit, wouldn't it?

[quaint plank]

I want a fully grown sauropod that’s still only 10 ft tall

I was thinking Europa (maybe Magyaro), Amarga (with Bajada alt), and Shuno or Salta

[toxic oriole]

chadititan.......

[quaint plank]

Oh yeah, that guy

[toxic oriole]

A dwarf titanosaur that was recently named or something

There is this other dwarf sauropod thats said to be the size of a cow, but I don't know if you're able to say their name

Okay you can, just Nigersaurus

[quaint plank]

I also can’t wait to see a pachycephalosaurid

[short rover]

I’d replace lio with plio

[quaint plank]

One does not replace the magical liopleurodon.

And the lack of kronosaurus is… disturbing.

[slow shoal]

for recently extinct, ive come up with - Thylacine (with pleistocene alt maybe?), Dodo, Quagga with american and european wild horse alt, Dinornis with north and south island alts, Bluebuck, Passenger Pigeon, Carolina Parakeet, and Ivory Billed Woodpecker

i think its also possible malagasy hippo and maybe mekosuchus shows up

[toxic oriole]

You could also include the Kauai O'o

Honestly, Thylacine just has the best chance

Who would NOT include the Tasmanian Tiger in a Recently Extinct Species pack?

[quaint plank]

Tassie tiger’s biggest hater

[slow shoal]

O'o is the other bird i considered

[toxic oriole]

Lemme guess, it made you sad just thinking about it?

[slow shoal]

but personally think carolina parakeet or ivory billed should get in more than it

[toxic oriole]

Spix's Macaw at some point in time would've been a good fit, BUT that time has since passed

(Its been saved)

[quaint plank]

I’m trying to think of a cool reptile for a recently extinct dlc but I can’t think of anything

[toxic oriole]

Pinta Island Giant Tortoise

2012

Lonesome George

[quaint plank]

I was thinking more lizard

[toxic oriole]

Well I'll go amphibian with a simple one

Golden Toad

[quaint plank]

We love the golden toad

[slow shoal]

eh i feel thats too small

[toxic oriole]

(Mini exhibit animal, that would fit anyways)

The golden toad itself fits in as a terrarium species more than a free-roamer

[slow shoal]

nah its too small even for minis i feel

[quaint plank]

I’m suggesting the Navassa rhinoceros iguana bc I can’t think of anything and iguanas are cool

[toxic oriole]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recently_extinct_reptiles

[slow shoal]

i honestly think the minis should be a majority birds

there is just so many

[toxic oriole]

Only two snakes are recently extinct

The Round Island Burrowing Boa and
Hoffstetter's Worm Snake

Unless that list is outdated

[quaint plank]

Honestly, good for snakes for managing to hang on like that

[left spear]

No steller's? Or would you save that for another pack

[slow shoal]

likely wouldnt be in since aquatics wouldnt be in yet

[left spear]

I could see for a Sort of "beringian" dlc

Oh

Fair

Same for Haasty i assume

[wary nacelle]

Ypupiara (thought to have been semi-aquatic, and we could always use more of them)

[full quartz]

Next year think it be cool if we got a Nuralagus rex and some Easter decorations as an Easter event

[fallow knoll]

Egg update

[autumn plank]

Giant Cuban owls would bring people's attention because i thought of it because of Nigel Marvins burrowing owl named Digger

[slim flare]

Would be cool but we’d need a flying update

[left spear]

Ornimegalonyx was flightless, at most maybe chicken glide from high places, and tbh It wouldn't be significant enough to really Matter, if anything we would first need climbing.

[sharp dock]

Can we have my favoritte dinosaur the dimetradon

The big one with a sail..........

[left spear]

Concavenator?

We already have that one

Buy the Game first before talking

[candid ermine]

Aepyornis and gigantoraptor would be cool

[wary nacelle]

Is this sarcasm cause we don’t have conc

Yet

[lean hound]

Dimetrodon isn’t a dinosaur

[short rover]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[lean hound]

[ancient ibex]

Narwhaler has that kind of humour ttbt

[feral cedar]

Panoplosaurus could be cool

Honestly I think it has one of the best names of any nodosaurid, particularly among its clade. The "completely-armored lizard" vs. "Denver lizard" or "from Edmonton"

[slim flare]

We’ll probably get Edmontonia

But Panoplosaurus was cut from JPOG…

[ancient ibex]

Panoplosaurian coverage would rock, but if we get Edmontonia (specially if it is 2 species and Denversaurus), then Panoplosaurus itself would be quite redundant. Still the better named one, and in fact Panoplosauridae would had been preferable to Nodosauridae as a name

[short rover]

Why not one species of edmont, Denver and panoplo

[ancient ibex]

Panoplo AFAIK is less spiky than the others

But as long as Dinosaur Park, Horseshoe Canyon and Hell Creek end up covered with panoplosaurian alts, it is a win in my book

[fallow knoll]

Panoplo and Edmontonia are interchangable

Either would be rad

[autumn plover]

Beezlebufo and perhaps some Carboniferous critters like Meganeura and Mesothelae would be excellent animal candidates for mini-exhibits

I wouldn’t be surprised if Beezlebufo was already planned for later down the line but we haven’t got any paleozoics, let alone carboniferous species

[sharp dock]

mesothelae

wew my guy, the wwm giant spider is an outdated depiction of megarachne that got rebranded as a "mesothelae" (not real)

seeing some kind of eurypterid would be nice tho ahem hibbertopterus ahem

[autumn plover]

I am aware that it got changed from "big spider" to something else entirely, i wasn't aware that the name was also different though

An eurypterid would be good

[plucky mantle]

It was never named Mesothelae, that is just a group of spiders they swapped its name to because Megarachne being a sea scorpion rather than a spider was something that came out during the production of WWM

Anyways devs give up Hibbertopterus for a mini exhibit species it's a little big but so is Tiktaalik

[glass snow]

mesothelae is a group of basal spiders all of which are small

the largest spiders in the fossil record are extinct orb weavers from the jurassic and cretaceous the largest spiders that we know of are alive today

[faint snow]

Shantungosaurus, Carnotaurus, Stegosaurus, Kentrosausus, Dreadnoughtus, Diamantinasaurus, Amargasaurus, Nigersaurus, Barosaurus, Diplodocus, Alamosaurus, Sauroposeidon, Utahraptor, Australovenator, Sauropelta, Olorotian, Pyroraptor, Atrociraptor, Suchomimus, Baryonyx, Albertosaurus, Majungasaurus, Irritator, Metriacanthosaurus, Concavenator, Ceratosaurus

[toxic oriole]

Lucky for you, Stegosaurus is said to be coming around the same time Allosaurus will, Update 16 or something, the combat update

[limber nexus]

I want some mammals 😭

And hespeornis

[sharp dock]

Looking at the roster I think the biggest thing missing is a terror bird :)))

Terror bird, a ground sloth and a glyptothere

[tidal estuary]

well well well it just so happens that the speculated animals for u20 appears to be those

excited for u18!

[inner wedge]

i think nomen dubium alts are fine as long as they're just arguably the same species as the genus they're based off (like ugruunaluk or charonosaurus), so i'm fine with saurophaganax or stygimoloch being in

unless they're chimeric like dakotaraptor lol

[ancient ibex]

Charonosaurus is nowhere near the dubiousness of Ugru or Saurophaganax

A Maastrichian genus being nested within a Campanian genus is pretty much how evolution goes

Ugru cannot be told apart from regalis, Saurophaganax hinges on some vertebrae that are just "saurischian"

Charono? Sometimes nested within Parasaurolophus, just like Homo within Australopithecus. Paraphyly will happen with deep time and evolution.

Stygy? Just an opinion, whether to have wyomingensis and spinifer in separate genera, although separate genera could be less useful

[inner wedge]

well my theory is just that localized species may still have been subspecies regardless of how similiar their fossils were

i don't know if i can get the idea right

also saurophaganax's "debunk" was worded in a really dumb way and raised more questions than answers but that's not the point

[ancient ibex]

No, not really; Saurophagus/Saurophaganax had always been a mess due to the type bone being messy as fuck

Allo anax at least has a significative allosaurian bone with key characters to tell it apart, rather than just SAURISCHIAN vertebrae

[autumn plover]

I don't really care for name debates. "Chasmosaurus" or "Saurophaganax/Allosaurus anax", the animal still exists its just under a different name.

The only exceptions are things like Dakotaraptor which are likely chimaeric

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, large Asian maastrichian parasaur and giant allosaurid were clear things

[autumn plover]

^

I honestly couldn't care less what the name is

[outer moth]

I feel like Sauro and Anax are kinda interchangeable atp

[ancient ibex]

A Deinonychus sized dromie in Hell Creek is something we know existed, and have done so for decades, but Dakotaraptor is a mess that has likely Anzu and Tyrannosaurus stuff

[lost saffron]

Sauro(phag)anax

[autumn plover]

yeah, hence why I make exception to chimeras

[ancient ibex]

Well that's Saurophaganax' issue

May be chimeric

[autumn plover]

eh

[ancient ibex]

The type vertebra may be of a sauropod

[autumn plover]

There's still a huge Allosaur in the morrison

i'm aware of the potential sauropod vertebra

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, but the name Saurophaganax hinges on material that may not be Allosaurian

[autumn plover]

That doesn't really bother me

There's still a huge Allosaur

[ancient ibex]

Just like there is a large dromaeosaur at Hell Creek

[autumn plover]

all that's gonna change is the name we call it by

[ancient ibex]

Although Dakotaraptor is even worse, as the name bearing specimen is the entire chimeric deal

[outer moth]

Still a huge allosaurian, anax or sauro, I feel like both names are ok for the same animal

[ancient ibex]

Because of course DePalma is a hack

[autumn plover]

Dakotaraptor isn't even the same level as Saurophaganax

[outer moth]

not to mention DePalma’s grifting

Ah you mentioned it for me

[autumn plover]

admittedly i dont know as much as the dromeosaur issue

but is the giant dromeosaur the same thing as the deinonychus sized dromeosaur?

[ancient ibex]

Most dromaeosaurs are a fraction of Deinonychus' size

The issue is, Dakotaraptor has the entire chimeric composite as its type, so it will likely be thrown out as a whole, and it CANNOT BE COMPARED with Acheroraptor, the other named Dromaeosaur, which is still based on very partial remains

We don't know how many different dromaeosaurs were at hell creek, only that they got to Deino size

[autumn plover]

well thats an entirely different situation to Sauro

[ancient ibex]

Just like we have troodont teeth, so something stenonychosaurian was around

[ancient ibex]

Sauro's issue is that Sauro IS the vertebrae

[autumn plover]

Dakotaraptor back when we thought it was a thing was thought to be borderline Utah sized

[ancient ibex]

Allo anax is an allosaurian postorbital

[autumn plover]

but it doesn't really change anything, theres still a similarly sized Allosaur running around. Dakota changes the size of the "big" raptor significantly

[ancient ibex]

so refering the giant allosaur material to the definite allosaur taxon may be less troublesome than refering it to the potential sauropodian vertebrae

Saurophaganax' potential weirdness was always due to vertebral characters, if the vertebrae aren't allosaurian, the issue gets solved

[autumn plover]

^most likely just a large Allosaurus species

Can we confirm the material from "anax" is separate from fragilis/jimmadseni?

[outer moth]

I do genuinely wonder if the devs have in fact decided to make the changes
Seems benign, but just a thought

Perhaps the lines for the Allos are yet to be recorded
Perhaps they already are

[ancient ibex]

Yeah, the postorbital is clearly allosaurian yet clearly differentiable from other Allosaurus species; namely, it appears to have had less pronounced ornamentation in the eye region

[autumn plover]

Smaller brow horns does seem pretty cool tbf

[ancient ibex]

Still, it is a postorbital rather than a lacrimal; hoping we find a more complete skull that has an anax postorbital so we get a cleared idea of how the giant allosaur looked like

[autumn plover]

oh right thanks for clearing that up

[sharp dock]

waw really

also hot take but I don't think PK needs that many more species rn

only a few key ones and the base roster should be good

I think it's more important that they focus on gameplay and all that jazz

[lean hound]

I think it's missing a ton of cool groups

• mammals are really lacking atm

there's no super funky ones apart from paraceratherium

[sharp dock]

those can wait tbh, the game still largely focuses on dinosaurs

also I'm not against adding more animals I'm just saying prioritizing the gameplay aspect before focusing on adding more stuff is more important methinks

like I would love da dodo for example but if not getting the dodo yet means we can have more fleshed out gameplay im all for it

that said I will now post a full list of all the animals I'd like to see in the game

[marble cradle]

I know the game is prolly full up on megatherapods, but if another one ever gets added I’d argue the most unique option by far would be Yangchuanosaurus

[inner wedge]

i made a chart for my marine expansion wishlist

[hollow furnace]

I like the idea of the shoalers a lot

A way to add really simple fish/basic marine animals too fill out aquariums/tanks

[left spear]

Yes but look closer

Lepidotes is there

How dare they make It a shoaler

Disgraceful

[hollow furnace]

True…

Something like Enchodus would be a better pick

[inner wedge]

idk much about lepidotes or other basic prehistoric fish sorry

[hollow furnace]

Haha dw, it’s just a PK inside joke

About the holy lord Lepidotes

[inner wedge]

enchodus is a nice pick too

thought it would be a bit too big but lepidotes is just slightly smaller

[lost saffron]

Animals from the morrison formation that arent confirmed could help flesh out the morrison formation, and hopefully balance it out from its 5 sauropods

[outer moth]

Mira wasn’t in the Morrison, but it’s cousin, the Alcovasaurus, would definitely have been there

But I may be wrong

[outer moth]

I feel like the shoalers and regular aquarium species could be used in the aquatic exhibits alongside the larger species

Other than that, solid picks

[ancient ibex]

Alcova is lumped into Mira longicollum by Mateus tho

[outer moth]

Ah I see

So technically Mira is an NA and EU genera?

[ancient ibex]

Dacentrurins and Stegosaurins were both present at both sides of the Atlantic

The Kimmeridge clay at Dorset has fauna similar to the Morrison and Lourinha ones after all

[low bridge]

Just take it

[sharp dock]

the cursed fellows

there aint a single normal looking one im crying

[low bridge]

Some biggie reptiles

[low bridge]

How many Palaeoloxodons in Prehistoric Kingdom????

[smoky spear]

None

[outer crater]

https://tenor.com/view/komodo-dragon-roaring-tiger-fighting-gif-17282343

[mortal solar]

If we get any, then I think it should be two. A large one (P. namadicus/P. antiquus) and a dwarf one (e.g. P. falconeri).

[low bridge]

Where is African one?

Cmon Asian, European, African sp of Palaeoloxodon sp should be in game+ Falconeri/Cypriotes as Alts

Elephant Maxing

Straight Tuskers should be at their Max

🙏🙏🙏

[sharp dock]

I hope they add deinotherium cuz deinotherium iz a kewl animel that existed and was real

[low bridge]

Deinotherium+Prodeinotherium as Alt

Ofc

[sharp dock]

nah just deinotherium

[low bridge]

Nooo don't waste potential

Big Cats Dlc:
Homotherium Serum/Latidens
Smilodon Gracilis
Megantereon
Dinofelis
Xenosmilus

[low bridge]

If Stegotetrabelodon, Deinotherium, Megantereon, Dinofelis, Ancylotherium, Sivatherium,Hippo Gorgops, Agriotherium appear in game then i will create an truly insane habitat for them

Dreams must come true

[idle hearth]

Do you have a chart for your aerial/flying expansion wishlist!?

[inner wedge]

no but i plan on doing a paleozoic chart

[inner wedge]

as i said, here's my Paleozoic expansion chart

i won't make other ones btw

[short rover]

Neat

[quaint plank]

I spy a certain deity

This pleases me

[lean hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-my-beloved-beloved-dinosaur-reptile-gif-22077496

https://tenor.com/view/cotylorhynchus-cotylorhynchus-walk-walking-cotylorhynchus-gif-27547597

[quaint plank]

Praise be

[feral cedar]

Pinacosaurus would be cool

[quaint plank]

Plus it’s the only dinosaur with a preserved larynx iirc

[junior glacier]

I would love for them to give us Deinosuchus (since it was in the prehistoric park show) with a Puru or Sarcho as an alt

[wary nacelle]

Idk why nobody but me has suggested stomatosuchus (from what I’ve seen)

[slim flare]

Based

[outer moth]

He is a bit underrated tbh so I see why not

[short rover]

Stomato is cool

[outer moth]

I only see it bein hard cuz of the feeding habits
So I wonder how they’ll pull that off

It’s not exactly an animal I can see eating out of a tray

[outer moth]

Yet again, just because all three of them are large crocs, doesn’t mean they’re all even remotely related enough to be alts

Sarcho is pretty distant as is

Purussu maybe but it’s a long shot even by Juxia/Para logic

However

All 3 have alts of their own that can be done

[junior glacier]

Right but I feel like we will only get one species and then a few alts, I’m just trying to be realistic there’s no way to have every species out there

[outer moth]

Deinos has a few species
Purussu has a few species
And call it a stretch if you may
But Sarcho also has a few species

[toxic oriole]

I take it Gryposuchus doesnt have any?

[outer moth]

Yeah not every animal will be in PK, but the big three of crocs have their own alt species already

[outer moth]

Actually it does if the cladograms are correct

People often tend to forget that like, certain animals have several species

However not all animals need to have alt species or genera

[lean hound]

Maybe some sort of underwater feeder like the fish feeders in pz

[idle hearth]

Wait!?. No aerial/flying expantion wishlist to show us!?

[quaint plank]

My ideal pterosaurs: Hatzegopteryx, Tapejara, Ornithocheirus, and the legally required pteranodon

[left spear]

Tape is very small

Would probably do best as a ""mini"" flyer

For a full flyer Tupan would be best

Can give It a Tupux alt

[feral cedar]

If Tupuxuara were to be an alt it’d be of Thalassodromeus if anything

[left spear]

Wait yeah Tupux is a thalassodromid

What was i thinking

And Tupan already has good alt potential by itself

So yeah scrap that

[runic tiger]

This place could use some more platy love

[low bridge]

Devs when Platy be in game?

[slim flare]

Yesterday

[trail gyro]

Viatkogorgon campaign 8

[low bridge]

What

What

What

[trail gyro]

Viatkogorgon for semi aquatic terrariums!!!

[hollow flower]

I feel like Inostrancevia + a terrarium gorgonopsid + Ivantosaurus even though it just convergently resembles one is the best gorgonopsid combo

[limber nexus]

Damn

226 people have taken the poll

[hollow flower]

whens it ending again?

[limber nexus]

The 30th

[sage gull]

Kosmoceratops

[plucky mantle]

I think the only derived Ceratopsians I'd want rn are either Kosmoceratops or Pentaceratops

There's plenty of others I'd like to see eventually but there's too many Ceratopsians and too many other groups still missing

Pentaceratops is objectively better known but Kosmoceratops adds another animal to pair with Nasuto/P. cyrtocristatus which both feel kinda misplaced amongst the North American fauna rn otherwise + is far more unique

[sand quail]

Utahceratops to go with Kosmo

[quaint plank]

Dare I suggest an alt for Sucho: riparovenator

[sand quail]

Riparo could be better as a sub for bary

[quaint plank]

I just wanna see my boy

Idc where

[slim flare]

Why

[sand quail]

Mentioned it a while back

[silver steeple]

It wouldn't tho, both are closer to Sucho than all 3 are to Bary

[slim flare]

^

I’d accept it if they were physically similar but

[quaint plank]

I had a feeling it’d be better for Sucho

That’s my entire reasoning

[lean hound]

ichthyovenator

[autumn plover]

Regarding the earlier ceratopsian suggestions. If we were to only get one Chasmosaurine I would choose Chasmosaurus over Pentaceratops/Utahceratops or anything else for several reasons:

• it’s the most famous

• it’s more basal than Pentaceratops to better contrast Triceratops which is very derived

• we already have animals from the same formation (adds more to existing animals)

• still distinct in its own right (3 short horns/big boxy frill)

• it’s literally the genus the group is named after

This is just among chasmosaurines. If we are looking at ceratopsians in-General I’d say sinoceratops is also important simply due to the fact that it’s the only centrosaurine from Asia

[autumn plover]

It’s already been mentioned but yes, Riparovenator is more closely related to Suchomimus. It would work much better as an alt for Sucho

[sand quail]

Ah gotcha

[autumn plover]

From wiki

[sand quail]

So a bary alt would be Iberospinus

[autumn plover]

But I wouldn’t say that the depiction of Sucho in the picture, and by extension the other two from the subgroup are accurate to 2025 understanding

[autumn plover]

Yeah? I guess so

I’d support it but I don’t know if the devs would add it because it’s fairly unknown

But yeah for Riparovenator/Ceratosuchops you would want one or both as an alt of Sucho

But to be fair, I don’t really want fragmentary taxa as alts

Riparovenator I guess would be ok as we have some of the tail

But Ceratosuchops I think is just parts of a skull

[autumn plank]

Maiasaura would be awesome to see in the game for the breeding update on U19 or possibly sneak it in like herding for U14 today, but who knows anything is possible for developers of PK in the future

[deep lake]

GIRANT MOA!!!
ANZUU

[low bridge]

Shantungosaurus/Magnapaulia, Corythosaurus, Olorotitan, Tethyshadros

[lean hound]

It would be perfect for u19

It's literally called the good mother lizard isn't it?

[sharp dock]

I miss ceratosaurus

and his funky horneroos

[ebon willow]

Elephant bird

[prime zephyr]

Dinosaurs

Carnivores

Icthyovenator: Extremely unique Dinosaur with that cool sail

Utahraptor: Largest Dromaeosaurid. Really cool medium-sized Therapod.

Deinonychus: Slightly larger than Velociraptor, yet really cool.

Baryonyx: Epic dino.

Irritator: Smallest Spinosaurid. Unique jaw-thing

Allosaurus: All the skins should be different species, and its a really cool Jurassic carnivore

Australovenator: An amazing Megaraptoran from Australia

Alioramus: Cool smaller Tyrannosaur

Daspletosaurus: Almost as large as Tyrannosaurus, yet a bit smaller.

[extra alternate species] Tyrannosaurus mcraeensis: Epicccc. Just make it T. rex but a bit smaller and slightly different looking head.

Herbivores

Stegosaurus: This game should have it because its a really famous Dinosaur

Minmi: An amazing Aussie ankylosaurid but without the tail thing at the end of it

Borealopelta: That amazing Dino mummy

Shantungosaurus: Largest non-sauropod Dinosaur

Magyarosaurus: Smallest sauropod

Maiasaura: Should go along with breeding update

Nigersaurus: A sauropod with a low-hanging neck. Make sure Nigel pronounces it in the right way, please.

Therizinosaurus: Epic long claw guy

Duonychus: More diversity plus this species has 2 fingers. Compared to other species except Tyrannosaurs, that is rare.

Other species that I dont have enough time to add a description for

Dimetrodon

Edaphosaurus

Kelenken

Lystrosaurus

Mosasaurus

Shonisaurus

Hatzegopteryx

[lean hound]

isn't Camarillasaurus the smallest spinosaurid?

[prime zephyr]

Wait I didn’t hear of it before

Thx bro

Wait

[lean hound]

It's a bit confusing iirc

[prime zephyr]

It looks similar to other megalosaurs but it’s somehow a spinosaur?

[lean hound]

It was originally classified as a ceratosaurian

[prime zephyr]

Plus the wiki and other sources say it might not be and it’s being debated right now

[lean hound]

yeah

[prime zephyr]

Honestly, when there are many phylogenetic debates going on, I would tend not to add it in a suggestions tbh

And plus I think irritator would be good due to its cool jaw thing that was discovered

[lean hound]

Yeah it is one of my favs

[left spear]

Tbf that's probably something almost all spinosaurs had

[prime zephyr]

In my opinion, I don’t think it would be all of them, but some of them that are closely related to irritator

[low bridge]

Im simple guy so i predict future: Giganotosaurus, Skorpiovenator, Saltasaurus, Patagopelta should be in game

Let's be real

[ebon willow]

Giga would be fire

[low bridge]

2nd SA dino pack with Maip, Mapusaurus, Tyrannotitan, Patagotitan, Aucasaurus

Mapusaurus Roseae is Neat

[sage gull]

Sinoceratops

[slim flare]

Centrosaurus would be better

[autumn plover]

I disagree

Sinoceratops is the only centrosaurine from Asia and we already have 3 centrosaurines from North America

I say this as someone who significantly prefers Centrosaurus as an animal, but for the game Sinoceratops is better

But i’d rather get a 2nd chasmosaurine before a 4th centrosaurine

[outer moth]

Sad we don’t have many accurate Sinos

[sage gull]

Yeah Centrosaurus would be good too

[slim flare]

How much of Sinoceratops do we have?

[autumn plover]

Trying to find that now, may take a little while

This is all I found from a different server

Tbf that’s not an incredible amount of material

I’d say Sinoceratops probably isn’t a great pick then, I’d still rather get a 2nd Chasmosaurine before a 4th Centrosaurine though

Something like Pentaceratops, Chasmosaurus, or Kosmoceratops would be a higher priority than Centrosaurus

[left spear]

I mean couldn't they be alts

(coming from me Who knows jackshit about centrosaur phylogeny)

Like It seems somewhat resonable

Could be a cool parallel to Rex/Tarbo

[slim flare]

I think Pentaceratops is considered top-pick for a fifth Ceratopsid

After that it’s a fight between Torosaurus, Regaliceratops and Diabloceratops

[smoky spear]

discount styraco

wait for mods

[left spear]

I mean for Ceratopsids yeah, but what we really "need" are other ceratopsians, Udano and Korea for example.

[low bridge]

Better add all of them

[left spear]

If only

[low bridge]

As much weird looking Centrosaurine as possible

[slim flare]

Why do you always word it as a question?

[low bridge]

Idk

[limber nexus]

Well, so the the @ everyone hopefully more people are here to take the poll, yay

https://forms.gle/MA2oQQbkyiFUBBtQ7

[drowsy kettle]

Suchomimus and Sarcosuchus would be cool

[wary nacelle]

We don’t know much about it. It’s affiliated with the spinosaurids, but so far, the smallest confirmed spinosaurid is Irritator… from what we know of

[fierce seal]

not sure if it was in the poll (i voted terror birds across the board) but aurochs would make an awesome 1-star animal

"oh. its a cow."
sure, an ancient cow with huge horns ancestral to todays taurus, and thats kinda cool

[sand quail]

Same with horses. Would love the Western Horse to be in the game

[autumn plover]

Surely Aurochs would work better as a recently extinct species

[sand quail]

I can definitley picture it

[fierce seal]

true, it went belly up in 1627

[limber nexus]

I’m surprised no one suggested the Aurochs

[drowsy kettle]

i voted for Mapusaurus, Suchomimus, Elasmosaurus, Irritator and Hatzegopteryx

[runic tiger]

Platybelodon, thylacosmilus, thalassocnus personally

Don't remember my other 2

[sage gull]

Bison Latifrons

[slim flare]

Bos latifrons

[short rover]

^

[low bridge]

The Boss

[naive storm]

Yea

[outer crater]

it's coming

[drowsy kettle]

just remembered it was Hatze

[desert plank]

These are dinosaurs I want to see be added

Saltasaurus, Shunosaurus, Amargasaurus/Bajadasaurus, Ampelosaurus, Kentrosaurus, Miragaia/Dacentrurus, Wuerhosaurus, Tuojiangosaurus, Einiosaurus, Diabloceratops, Kosmoceratops, Stegouros, Euoplocephalus, Edmontonia, Minmi, Nodosaurus, Corythosaurus, Maiasaura, Saurolophus, Altirhinus, Shantungosaurus, Olorotitan, Therizinosaurus, Ornithomimus, Oviraptor, Gigantoraptor, Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus, Concavenator, Majungasaurus, Cryolophosaurus, Utahraptor, Suchomimus, Irritator, Ornitholestes, Megaraptor, Maip Macrothorax, Herrerasaurus, Eoraptor, Albertosaurus, and Yutyrannus,

[runic tiger]

Good lord

[slim flare]

Most of those are good

[desert plank]

Thanks

[limber nexus]

But do we need 5 stegosaurids?
4 carchardontsaurids?

[smoky spear]

finally a cow feeder!

[slim flare]

Carcharodontosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus, Giganotosaurus and Concavenator would be fine

[autumn plover]

Giganotosaurus is a waste

[outer moth]

Nothing is a waste

https://tenor.com/view/pozitiv-gif-14253947505283509778

[limber nexus]

It’s not a waste and I do think would be good in a dlc, but I also think it shouldn’t be added for awhile

[desert plank]

It could be in a South American DLC with others like Amargasaurus and Eoraptor

[limber nexus]

Exactly, I don’t think it shouldn’t ever be added, I just think we should get the roster more diverse than it is now

[desert plank]

I agree

[runic tiger]

Like it or not, giga is a huge name in paleo media

It'd be worth an inclusion, one more giant theropod won't kill us

[plucky mantle]

Rename one of the Carch skins and plop it in a new formation and it's a Giga

[charred hatch]

Change the look a bit as well

Carch could work for Mapu and Giga, don't think anyone would complain

[silver steeple]

I assume you meant this for https://discord.com/channels/173172667623407616/1299416017658839061 ?

[fresh ember]

Oh shit...

[silver steeple]

Lol

[hollow furnace]

idk, ostrich eggs would be an eggcellent roster addition lol

[desert flame]

Bison was previously considered for inclusion and may be considered again after the EA.

[sharp dock]

bos latifrons + priscus + primigenius would be quite the BASED department store

[low bridge]

Spectacled Bear on steroids should be in game

[hollow flower]

Should it be Arctodus simus with Arctotherium angustidens alt or Arctotherium angustidens with Arctodudus simus alt

[ancient ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[loud lark]

They are 2 different species they should so they should be a separate species

[hollow flower]

well yeah but theyre very similar

Its like Tyrannosaurus and Tarbosaurus

[slim flare]

They’re really not

Tarbosaurus and Tyrannosaurus are sister genera, Arctodus and Arctotherium are separated by the actual spectacled bear genus

[low bridge]

Only weird Elephants i see in game are Mammut Americanum, Stegotetrabelodon, Platybelodon, Deinotherium + (Prodeinotherium as Alt sp just like Paraceratherium has Juxia) , Palaeoloxodon

Let's be real

[sage gull]

And the Columbian mammoth?

[slim flare]

Notiomastodon alt…