I think it's far more reasonable too. having a later that is a nuke times a hundred while still insane to fund, is somewhat reasonable for an orginization like gun
#[SPOILERS] Sonic Movie 3
olive rivet
I genuinely can't fathom why they decided to fund something that could one shot the earth. What's the thought process behind that?
hybrid aspen
idk but its also very easy to believe ngl
charred wharf
Sonic face is killing me
solid bobcat
I genuinely can't fathom why they decided to fund something that could one shot ...
i mean
nukes, nukes exist
olive rivet
nukes don't have the capacity to blow up the planet
not like nuclear winter, like actually blow up the planet
so no, I genuinely can't fathom why someone would fund something so cartoonishly powerful
I think it might be straight up more powerful than the ark in sa2
and that was running on theoretically infinite energy thanks to the chaos emeralds
hard spoke
My guess is that they thought Gerald was gonna use a different power source?
Instead of chaos energy?
olive rivet
if I use a nuclear reactor to power a taser, the taser will either break or function at normal to marginally better capacity. it wouldn't become a super omega death taser. At least it shouldn't
the same logic should apply to space lasers, but maybe I'm thinking too much about it
fringe solar
I genuinely can't fathom why they decided to fund something that could one shot ...
i mean idk about movies but in games they want powerful weapon
olive rivet
again, the eclipse canon in the games isn't nearly as strong as what we see in the movie
in game the endgame was to crash the ark into the earth
and while taking out a chunk of the moon is impressive, the movie version was able to cut through it like butter with ease
hybrid aspen
again, the eclipse canon in the games isn't nearly as strong as what we see in t...
I mean they blew up half the moon with 6 out of 7 emeralds 😭
And it basically just made the black comet go poof
olive rivet
don't mistake my comparison as me saying the game version isn't powerful
hybrid aspen
(Without any emeralds too iirc?)
olive rivet
I don't quite recall with regards to the no emeralds part
my overall point is that the ark didn't have earth destroying capabilities as far as I was aware
It would deal a lot of damage, but the earth would still be in one piece, so to speak
the movie version gives the impression that it would straight up slice the earth in half and it just feels absurd in the more grounded universe of the sonic movies
but like I said, I might be thinking about it too much
for some reason this movie's made a real nit picker out of me
hybrid aspen
Did the ark always have red energy running around it????
Actually nvm I think that might just be a specular reflection
weary crystal
Super Shadow with somewhat more raised quills beloved
This is gonna be my new muzzle curve agenda
hard spoke
if I use a nuclear reactor to power a taser, the taser will either break or func...
Perhaps Gerald lied about the ark’s full strength to G.U.N so that he wouldn’t raise any suspicion when he planned to destroy everything
And since Gerald is suicidal, all he has to do is shut his mouth and either activate the cannon himself or wait for G.U.N to use it against an enemy
vernal bridge
Im on the same idea
He probably sold the idea to GUN aware that under conventional energy sources from Earth, the cannon would blow a City at most
But as the main scientist behind Project Shadow he knew the full extent of Shadow capabilities and Chaos Energy as a whole
peak grail
https://vxtwitter.com/Niya_rah_ah_ah/status/1872776298369892358
I am in love with Movie Shadow.
pale basin
The eyes is honestly the best improvement for Shadow
It gives him much better emotion instead of mostly angry
Seeing him looking sad hits me there
vernal bridge
Twitter
The more I think about it, the more I want to give the movie a 2nd watch mostly to see the Shadow and Maria scenes in high quality
charred wharf
kind scarab
No
pale basin
Yes
charred wharf
Yes
vernal bridge
Wow
Yeah they def intended to orginally hit london, killing stone and everyone else there
Then Sonic would sacrifice somehow, making shadow and eggman somehow go back like 30 min in time
split agate
I genuinely can't fathom why they decided to fund something that could one shot ...
Could be misremembering but I think it’s shadow powering it up that made the thing capable of blowing up the earth iirc?
winter spruce
I just read the CBR interview, so there was a version that revealed more, and it was always Amy first... anything else later
split agate
could very easily see Gerald passing it off as a country-destroyer without his energy and then popping shadow-powered mode in as an extra under their noses
winter spruce
it sounds like they are doing like priorities and what would be cool as main thing first, then other things that can come in a second moment
wind trout
Could be misremembering but I think it’s shadow powering it up that made the thi...
Yea he did by letting his rage about GUN taking Maria away from him exponentially speed him up and he ran in circles enough times to create enough chaos energy
winter spruce
hence Shadow appearing sooner than other characters, I feel like they wanted to do that when the iron is still hot
Also, they want to find a way to add the Chaotix and Big eventually as it was talked previously or speculated
pale basin
From what I am guessing they wanted to put their priority on the core cast first
It's why they went with Shadow first then Metal and Amy
Shadow tends to be a special case where he just triumphs nearly every single sonic chars when it comes to popularity and impact
winter spruce
I think it was in the other interview that they mentioned Rouge as they want to find a way to add her, it's not the first time they talked about her, along with Big which was cut in every movie with those questionable cameos they had in mind
pale basin
Big at least you can easily make it easy since it's well..... Big
But I can see Big being part of SA1 adaptation in some form due to Froggy
winter spruce
Shadow tends to be a special case where he just triumphs nearly every single son...
yes it's a popularity thing, and it also works well because you know, 3rd movie climax type thing
pale basin
Rouge tho yeah that I can understand why no sign of her yet
pale basin
yes it's a popularity thing, and it also works well because you know, 3rd movie ...
Pretty much
winter spruce
she could just be spying on everyone like Tails was stalking Sonic
Also I love that the writers top priority with Amy showing up was "the idea was always her saving Sonic"
pale basin
Yeah I do quite like that
winter spruce
that, along with them saying they have big plans to make her standout instead of being a friend tag along has me interested
maybe it's a good thing they don't shove 4 or 5 new characters in 1 movie
pale basin
That's what I always say
After with sonic 2 movie, they need to be more careful adding chars
winter spruce
this is why I'm worried about the Chaotix, not only they need to make 3 new models with animations, but they need to make them shine even though they work as bonding as a team and that dynamic, it's still a lot of work and they need screentime to be fleshed out
pale basin
Yeah Chaotix are in a very complicated spot
winter spruce
no way they have the budget for that in a show like Knuckles season 2
the only way I can see more spin-off shows is if they are on Netflix imo
not Paramount Plus
pale basin
agreed
winter spruce
or just more movies
pale basin
That too lmao
wicked fog
I think it's far more reasonable too. having a later that is a nuke times a hund...
The sat is equivalent of Star War (Ronald Reagan’s anti-nuke sat)
slate gate
I think this is Tyson art work
wicked fog
I think when Shadow watched the kaiju film with Maria and showing Biolizard cameo with the tagline “alien beast” which made Shadow uncomfortable
I felt bad for Shadow. Even movie and game make him more depressing backstory
atomic sinew
Pretty sure there was footage out there with GUN headquarters getting blasted with the laser
wicked fog
Pretty sure there was footage out there with GUN headquarters getting blasted wi...
That was the plan to hit London according to Gerald’s proposal
atomic sinew
Never showed up in the movie
wicked fog
And it didn’t work because Gerald is now A FUCKING ATOMID DUST HAHAHAHAHAHA
Sonic 3 is def much lean to darker tone
Unlike previous 2 movies
kind scarab
Ngl after movie its gonna be rough to return to gamw shadow unless he changes a bit lol
atomic sinew
wicked fog
I kinda confused a bit. WHY THE FUCK THE GUN WON’T USE FIREARMS LOL?
kind scarab
Cuz goddamn im sick of this teeth clemching mofo
hybrid aspen
Pretty sure there was footage out there with GUN headquarters getting blasted wi...
Oh yeah you're right lmao
wicked fog
Oh yeah you're right lmao
I think you forgot that part
If that’s happening, that would be million
hybrid aspen
I mean I forgot about that clip in a TV spot yes
It never happens in the actual movie
atomic sinew
Yeah
wicked fog
1974 - 50 years ago and showing GUN units. GUN has been around the Cold War
peak grail
I'm pretty sure I remember that part.
pale basin
I guess if you go by war logic it does make sense over GUN being far more violent with the 50 years and all
wicked fog
The second film said the GUN has been actived after the first incident in 2020
And the third film fixing the GUN’s history
wicked fog
I guess if you go by war logic it does make sense over GUN being far more violen...
I think 50 years ago was in fact there is real-world conflict happening…
pale basin
yeah
wicked fog
I guess if you go by war logic it does make sense over GUN being far more violen...
GUN is equivalent of US army under Ford to Carter to Reagan
Keep in mind, that was around cold war
wicked fog
I guess if you go by war logic it does make sense over GUN being far more violen...
Strangely enough, I didn’t see they wielding M16 rifles instead of lasrifle
Shadow’s bike sliding is another reference to AKIRA
The way Shadow holding gun is another hilarious nod to Neo and John Wick btw
Like I said - Sonic and Shadow fighting in Tokyo remind me of Neo vs Smith in third film
strong basin
I GOT AN AI AD BEFORE MY SCREENING OF SONIC WTF
wicked fog
I don’t see ai ad before the movie last night
wicked fog
||The Chao Garden - the worst place to be killed||
strong basin
What’s that shit you saw
The Pepsi AI ad
grim cedar
probably that ad, Because I been seeing it a lot on TV
pale basin
Oh right the pepsi ad
Yeah I gotten that a few times in youtube
Absolute embarassment
willow dock
Random thought: Was that end scene supposed to be somewhat of an homage to Sonic Prologue? I haven't been able to get it out of my head since the film came out. Idk if most people will know what I'm talking about, but those who have been in the community for a while will know exaclty.
I feel like it would obviously be a stretch, but at the same time, Tyson is on the team
and he definitely is aware of Prologue
hybrid aspen
i def remember that but idk its a stretch for sure
worn topaz
I doubt they look at fan work and go "yes, let's use that specifically"
willow dock
I doubt they look at fan work and go "yes, let's use that specifically"
No not like that. I was refering to just having similar vibes intentionally. Again, I wouldn't be thinking about this if Tyson wasn't a co-lead
hybrid aspen
its possible he remembered this as he was working on the scene and pushed it to be somewhat similar in direction
but tbh i think it has a lot more similarity to his own work with metal
(metal turning his head around and then his body like mania adventures for example)
true heron
Random thought: Was that end scene supposed to be somewhat of an homage to Sonic...
I see the similarities but idk if tyson storyboarded this (or anything tbh) so i doubt it
willow dock
And there are def Metallix vibes too
I would not be surprised if Sonic 4 is a very very loose brotherhood of metallix adaptation
true heron
People have been talking a terminator like movie
willow dock
I see the similarities but idk if tyson storyboarded this (or anything tbh) so i...
Doesn't he head the storyboards?
willow dock
Doesn't he head the storyboards?
I could've sworn he did for Sonic 2
pale basin
I'd imagined Sonic 4 movie wise will be basically the aspect what made Metal Sonic very popular
I can see some OVA stuff too with hyper metal and all
willow dock
People have been talking a terminator like movie
The Metallix are supposed to be loose terminator parodies anyway iirc
true heron
Doesn't he head the storyboards?
Thought it was that guy who did the atom eve ova for invincible ,
willow dock
Thought it was that guy who did the atom eve ova for invincible ,
Idk
I know Tyson is a co-lead on something more than just design
true heron
Well he's co producer
willow dock
right
that makes me think that the Sonic Prologue vibes I got when I watched the movie are intentional
hybrid aspen
Thought it was that guy who did the atom eve ova for invincible ,
well he did storyboard on this but like
willow dock
Not a direct reference, but moreso an homage
hybrid aspen
theres a ton of people who storyboarded on this
movies like this usually have more than 1 storyboard artist
hybrid aspen
id imagine he was more responsible for all the action boards
that seems to be his specialty
he also storyboarded a lot of dark beginnings
true heron
Esp when s shadow stopped s sonic's punch and when s sonic uppercutted him to the moon, these stops then very fast movements are typical
hybrid aspen
he also storyboarded a lot of dark beginnings
its funny how much his boards seem to just be practically fully animated
for dark beginnings he used simpler shapes bc its 3D so they didnt need the details of the characters on the board, but his storyboards for 2D shows are practically just animation its crazy
pale basin
I am most amazed how he handled Emerl too due to being a literal robot
true heron
Like any other fighter tbh
pale basin
Since you don't normally see machines being animated like that
true heron
Like any other fighter tbh
Emerl's movements aren't "robotic"
nocturne falcon
for dark beginnings he used simpler shapes bc its 3D so they didnt need the deta...
Some of it lowkey looks better than the models
Or atleast more appealing
true heron
And that's normal cuz it's not like a super high budget prof
hybrid aspen
for dark beginnings he used simpler shapes bc its 3D so they didnt need the deta...
i havent compared yet but apparently the choreography in this fight was changed a little bit by the animator, victor su
idk i saw him say that on twitter at least
pale basin
There's that yeah, h3ylow
hybrid mirage
its funny how much his boards seem to just be practically fully animated
Sadly not funny because that's actually just one of the negatives going on in the animation industry atm
wind trout
https://x.com/time_pizzerNG/status/1687096556644700160?t=nWaaA5-WDSi8jtwlqPW1ag&...
Well that explains why Sonic 3’s uppercut scene was so good
wind trout
Where does it says the dark beginnings 💀
I might be illiterate
true heron
Ah well
hybrid aspen
he literally animated that board i sent
hybrid aspen
he was the director of the project 😭
true heron
Eh fair enough
His work is good on tdb but not as strong as on the atom eve ova i'd say
hybrid aspen
tdb?
true heron
The dark...
true heron
Yeah
true heron
Yeah it was
hybrid aspen
choreography just felt really good
hybrid aspen
i havent seen the atom eve ova but ive seen that specific atom eve action sequence i know he boarded
it looked kinda on par with this, idk if it would be considered better or worse
i think if we looked at his boards for movie 3 they'd prob be equally as tight but you don't have as much freedom with timing and camera movements with photoreal CG so the final product while super good prob doesnt hit AS hard
cant really do live action impact frames unless youre scott pilgrim
true heron
cant really do live action impact frames unless youre scott pilgrim
Sadly
hybrid aspen
but like i think you can tell that he did at least SOME of that fight
true heron
Yeah as i said
hybrid aspen
the timing on some of the action just also feels a lot like his stuff
true heron
Yeah the timing is what i meant
strong basin
hybrid aspen
it has that kinda similar pace
strong basin
Every time it gets better
true heron
It's still not "anime" but we're getting close
hybrid aspen
you can kinda compare the beats of the punches here to the dark beginnings fight and they kinda go at a really similar pace
hybrid aspen
It's still not "anime" but we're getting close
i feel like its by far the closest ive seen hollywood live action movies get to that
true heron
It's still not "anime" but we're getting close
By anime i mean the animator that pretty much everyone is trying to replicate nowadays aka yutaka nakamura
true heron
i feel like its by far the closest ive seen hollywood live action movies get to ...
Oh yeah, but one thing doesn't make the other wrong 😭
hybrid aspen
yeah for sure
i just dont know how much further you can push it while still being in a live action setting
at this point id just wait for fully animated movies
odd grotto
the timing on some of the action just also feels a lot like his stuff
I love slotslights what the fuck
split agate
i feel like its by far the closest ive seen hollywood live action movies get to ...
still thinking abt this one shot
odd grotto
need another sequence like this for movie 4, want it to last longer
hybrid aspen
still thinking abt this one shot
YEAH I WAS JUST GONNA SEND THIS
split agate
most insanely DBZ thing I’ve ever seen in a non-anime film
hybrid aspen
that shockwave is the most anime thing lmao
split agate
could be wrong but like
this is the first super vs super fight in the series, right
maybe Archie’s done it before but like
odd grotto
looks like it
if we're talking games
split agate
nowhere else from what I can think of from the top of my head
pale basin
I don't recall even X ever did either
Yes there is that opening but.... it was never in the actual episode as far I remember
split agate
StC definitely hasn’t at least
hybrid aspen
iirc sonic x actually has super sonic vs super shadow
but it looks like
ass
like
so ass
theres a gif of the fight in the intro so you go into it thinking itd be hype
but its not
split agate
Exactly what I’d expect from X tbf 😭
hybrid aspen
the fight cut in the intro is extremely cool
split agate
insane thing to pull out on the big screen I was NOT expecting it at all
lament bough
the movie of all fucking time dawg
hybrid aspen
the fight cut in the intro is extremely cool
https://youtu.be/N5enPTumPPM?t=50 and then look at what happens in the actual show...
odd grotto
Archie had Super Sonic Vs Hyper Knuckles
i forgot, was instead thinking of that cool robot fight between them
lament bough
the movie of all fucking time dawg
The dab up transformation with Live and Learn blaring in the background #YepThatsMySeries
pale basin
https://youtu.be/N5enPTumPPM?t=50 and then look at what happens in the actual sh...
oh there is!
split agate
the movie of all fucking time dawg
This render is going to be recreated by every fanartist from now until the end of time and god is it so well deserved
hybrid aspen
they literally covered the fight up with lazers bc it was so ass
void stream
so many awesome shots
split agate
love how these films don’t just regurgitate the iconic stuff, they make their own new iconic things and god does it bang every time
void stream
somebody was smoking crack
hybrid aspen
so funny how the hollywood sonic film manages to outanime the sonic anime
fringe solar
finally watched the movie
hybrid aspen
(this just means we need an actual good one)
fringe solar
really good 8/10
hybrid aspen
(save me professor tori on december 30th)
fringe solar
(this just means we need an actual good one)
announce in 2 days trust
hybrid aspen
tbf i think he was still pretty red in the actual movie
camrips make it more pink than it is
void stream
like GODDAMN
atomic sinew
i forgot, was instead thinking of that cool robot fight between them
That and the Enerjak vs Super
split agate
this looks like when you accidentally draw something too big on a piece of paper and just gotta run with it instead of starting again
fringe solar
really good 8/10
one of the best movies of this year (i watched only this and deadpool and wolverine)
odd grotto
That and the Enerjak vs Super
oh god i forgot he went enerjak
atomic sinew
The Mecha fight is an alltimer tho
pale basin
They cooked hard over Amy's entrance
odd grotto
like GODDAMN
THW MOON
hybrid aspen
were there really only 2 super fights in archie
split agate
so funny how the hollywood sonic film manages to outanime the sonic anime
the “OHHHH”s when super shadow blocks, holy shit lol
hybrid aspen
i could have sworn there were more
charred wharf
so funny how the hollywood sonic film manages to outanime the sonic anime
I still cant believe they went to chaos island 🥹
lament bough
I wish I could put this as my banner but I have to wait for the moment
hybrid aspen
so funny how the hollywood sonic film manages to outanime the sonic anime
but like, with the way its choreographed, shot, and cut
if you handed these boards to an anime studio instead of a hollywood vfx house you would just get a really good anime fight
atomic sinew
i could have sworn there were more
Well there was Turbo Tails vs Green Knuckles 
fringe solar
btw i really like how chaos spears looked in the movie
void stream
turbo tails is a awesome name why did they waste it on Archie sonic 💔
fringe solar
kinda insane that they actually did that
atomic sinew
hybrid aspen
yeah not the super buff one, thats titan tails
wind trout
still thinking abt this one shot
“You thought you could challenge me?” esque pose
atomic sinew
lament bough
That (Super) Sonic vs Shadow fight legit feels like a Dragon Ball ass battle
odd grotto
i remember the arc of green knuckles that had photos for backgrounds
lament bough
AND WE JUST GOT ||SUPER SAYIAN 3 VEGETA|| (Daima Spoilers do not tap)
hybrid aspen
did you know these 2 are from the same issue
wind trout
That (Super) Sonic vs Shadow fight legit feels like a Dragon Ball ass battle
I mean DBZ is Sonic’s main inspiration right
wind trout
did you know these 2 are from the same issue
Ok why did you send this
lament bough
Still tho the way Gerald died is so fucking funny especially with this happening just prior
charred wharf
did you know these 2 are from the same issue
true heron
By anime i mean the animator that pretty much everyone is trying to replicate no...
Never failing to mention the goat but of my god look at this
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/43901
hybrid aspen
AND WE JUST GOT ||SUPER SAYIAN 3 VEGETA|| (Daima Spoilers do not tap)
ok i dont watch dragon ball but you should prob make it clear you sent dragon ball daima spoilers incase anyone is watching
not 100% clear
grim cedar
so funny how the hollywood sonic film manages to outanime the sonic anime
More importantly rather, How the movie gave us a Super on Super fight, Something we never seen done in the games.
atomic sinew
There were a lot less archie super fights when the editorial became less prone to forcing contrived plots ngl
Movie Super fight is probably the best in that department at least
lament bough
ok i dont watch dragon ball but you should prob make it clear you sent dragon ba...
Fixed that
true heron
Never failing to mention the goat but of my god look at this
https://www.sakuga...
His motion lines are absolutely unmistakable
fringe solar
Still tho the way Gerald died is so fucking funny especially with this happening...
ngl as i thought i didnt like movie gerald
hes literalyl second eggman but he just wants to kill everyone
even himself???????
like why
hybrid aspen
he didnt care for his own life
just wanted revenge on the people who took maria from him
atomic sinew
Movie gerald is an example of something being incredibly similar but also nowhere near being the same thing at all
fringe solar
he kinda had the same motivation in the games
i mean i would not say game gerald did not care about his life tho
void stream
it’s “I would kill everybody in this room and then myself” but it’s not a joke
hybrid aspen
Movie gerald is an example of something being incredibly similar but also nowher...
yeah its weird
he has a lot that kinda goes in line with his game self
split agate
https://tenor.com/view/sonic-3-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-sonic-mov...
Will never get tired of this gif
atomic sinew
If movie gerald was the one writing the journal it would be the ultimate "oh ok" text of all time
split agate
Can’t wait for the spoiler period to be over so it can be rightfully meme’d
hybrid aspen
i mean i would not say game gerald did not care about his life tho
i mean he hardly seemed to fear for it when he was about to be executed
stuck solstice
did you know these 2 are from the same issue
The infamous 150 (I think that's the number)
hybrid aspen
yea iirc
atomic sinew
I need to start my archie reread again
hybrid aspen
i wanna just reread the parts i remember enjoying at some point
im not going through the knuckles series again
atomic sinew
I think I have enough gas in the tank to get through the knuckles exposition this time
hybrid aspen
ever
fringe solar
i mean he hardly seemed to fear for it when he was about to be executed
thats probably because he knew hes gonna die and cant stop it
not because of "im gonna kill myself for maria"
hybrid aspen
still, you can read the journal and he just does not care about anything after maria dies
literally gives up his entire life's work working to improve humanity, to destroy it
fringe solar
hmmmm yeah you right
still wonder why did maria do to gerald that his movie and game version loves her that much that he easily can kill everyone for her
atomic sinew
Buh
odd grotto
tbf neither version delves that much into that
fringe solar
like in games he not care about his 2 sons and in movie he did not care about ivo
hybrid aspen
literally gives up his entire life's work working to improve humanity, to destro...
i really think they had a good thing going with the scene where gerald turns on eggman, but then they just pull that weird mantis fight and its so weird 😭
atomic sinew
Gerald reinvention exploring just how impactful Maria was to explore this in 3, 2, 1...
Look at the context surrounding it
Maria is not the only context
hybrid aspen
i really think they had a good thing going with the scene where gerald turns on ...
like, him just coldly revealing that hes killing everyone including themselves, then saying "oh ivo, youre no maria" was fire
fringe solar
i really think they had a good thing going with the scene where gerald turns on ...
yeah that was weird
like i understand we need humor but this is like the strangest way to do it
hybrid aspen
like, him just coldly revealing that hes killing everyone including themselves, ...
but then they reference green lantern 2011 and the entire thing i thought they had going was gone 😭
odd grotto
like, him just coldly revealing that hes killing everyone including themselves, ...
that was so crazy
atomic sinew
like, him just coldly revealing that hes killing everyone including themselves, ...
I don't particularly care abt the line because it down plays the, insanity part of the equation
Like Gerald's mindset after the fact is 100% including the fact that his mind is completely gone awry
odd grotto
i really think they had a good thing going with the scene where gerald turns on ...
kinda hating that fight more and more I think about it, like after that reveal we just go back to silly shenanigans like nothing
hybrid aspen
idk i think its pretty clear he went insane
atomic sinew
Not to the degree I'd want it
hybrid aspen
if he legit cared about who maria was anymore he would know she wouldnt want the planet gone 😭
bleak parrot
https://tenor.com/view/sonic-3-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-sonic-mov...
in Sonic X Tails watched Gerald get executed by firing squad, how does Tails live with himself after bearing witness to Eggman's grand daddy dying like this
hybrid aspen
if he legit cared about who maria was anymore he would know she wouldnt want the...
he just kinda goes crazy and bases his ideas on just getting payback, no further thinking
he wants payback, thats all there is to it
atomic sinew
Everyone's assigning Gerald the logic of someone who is in their right mind when qualifying how much he cares about others, when that's not the case
hybrid aspen
he would die to get it
thats 100% not rational person thinking
i think the issue might be that we dont see how he was before the incident really
odd grotto
yea not much
atomic sinew
I mean for the movie sure
odd grotto
that's what I meant
hybrid aspen
kinda hating that fight more and more I think about it, like after that reveal w...
ITS ALSO LIKE
atomic sinew
There isn't a lot that the movie presents us with to take the situation seriously though
odd grotto
like there's plenty of material now showing how gerald was in the games, the movie only showed a quick glimpse of what he had (and it was mostly in a panic)
hybrid aspen
ITS THE LEAST FUNNY JIM CARREY SCENE IN THE MOVIE
ITS NOT A GOOD LOOKING FIGHT
ITS JUST
THERE
atomic sinew
ITS NOT FUNNY
hybrid aspen
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY COOL SUPER SONIC ACTION SCENE 😭
charred wharf
i really think they had a good thing going with the scene where gerald turns on ...
it was funny tho
split agate
in Sonic X Tails watched Gerald get executed by firing squad, how does Tails liv...
Thinking about his hot plant girlfriend ig
odd grotto
IN THE MIDDLE OF MY COOL SUPER SONIC ACTION SCENE 😭
gonna be real, even without the supers it kinda just ruins the vibe
atomic sinew
Gerald spanking Ivo with the green lantern reference >>>>>
hybrid aspen
it was funny tho
idk i really liked most carrey bits in the film, this one just did not land for me at all
odd grotto
like this is the climax, the big world event whatever
atomic sinew
split agate
I’ve warmed up on the spanking bit bc eggman getting a power drill and sticking it in Gerald’s toe got me lmao
atomic sinew
totally has nothing to do with me laughing at the reactions it got no sir
split agate
the way he just goes “AAAAAH” and keels over from it
bleak parrot
Thinking about his hot plant girlfriend ig
post credit scene of 4 is just gonna be Tails watering a potted plant and it sprouts like olimin from the bad ending of pikmin
odd grotto
I’ve warmed up on the spanking bit bc eggman getting a power drill and sticking ...
the death scene is like my only favourite part just because it felt so unexpected and just the way he fizzles out lmfao
the rest of the fights was kind eh
hybrid aspen
at least i got to see my fav gundam knockoffs after the weird mantis stuff was over ❤️
true heron
Twitter
atomic sinew
on the prison cell wall
pale basin
Like I saw this one tweet saying e series got mention on tweet but...... no one seems to found it so far
charred wharf
nah
atomic sinew
damn nothing is embedding properly today
hybrid aspen
at least i got to see my fav gundam knockoffs after the weird mantis stuff was o...
the boarding on this is super good too, really hard to make a good readable action scene with characters just floating in space but they really pulled it off imp
winter spruce
damn nothing is embedding properly today
lmao
atomic sinew
winter spruce
was about to post the picture but yeah
bleak parrot
is it bad that the biggest laugh i had was when the GUN Commander entered the shot
hybrid aspen
dude when he pulled out the key from his jacket i was like 100% sure
bleak parrot
not because it was supposed to be funny but i can't take the Olive Garden guy seriously
hybrid aspen
he was giving them an olive garden gift card
atomic sinew
The biggest laugh I had was the gerald bugzap scene
Not to this degree but
Pretty close
bleak parrot
yeah that's number 1 in my book
fringe solar
btw i dont understand the problem with pacing many people had
hybrid aspen
i didnt really laugh out loud at anything but i practically never do at movies
fringe solar
btw i dont understand the problem with pacing many people had
like the first act i agree the movie is def really fast
hybrid aspen
btw i dont understand the problem with pacing many people had
i think the movie just moves really quick
atomic sinew
i didnt really laugh out loud at anything but i practically never do at movies
The chao garden scene was the worst the pacing got
winter spruce
I liked Maria drawing a cat's face on the capsule
hybrid aspen
they do a lot in a short amount of time
atomic sinew
Like
fringe solar
but when they go to lab with eggman i think pacing is okay
bleak parrot
The biggest laugh I had was the gerald bugzap scene
when i saw that I was in shock to the point I only came to talk in this channel because somebody mentioned it, it doesn't leave my mind
hybrid aspen
I liked Maria drawing a cat's face on the capsule
that was so cute lmao
atomic sinew
How the commander just IMMEDIATELY starts spouting Shadow exposition
And then Stone shows up
And then the commander is dead
hybrid aspen
and its also something i could 100% see her pulling in game canon if we didnt know what the moment shadow wakes up looked like now
fringe solar
i think the movie just moves really quick
in first act i agree but idk in second or third i dont have any problems
atomic sinew
It's legitimately hillarious
winter spruce
yeah but I liked that they explained at least how the commander knew exactly Shadow's story
fringe solar
it was not too fast not too slow
winter spruce
and was emphatic to it rather than the guy who shot Maria or Maria's kid friend
hybrid aspen
in first act i agree but idk in second or third i dont have any problems
third act is paced pretty well with the exception of the robotniks interrupting the movie yeah
winter spruce
Like the commander explaining how Shadow is similar to Sonic in the trailer was wtf to me
atomic sinew
and was emphatic to it rather than the guy who shot Maria or Maria's kid friend
Nah y'all need to decide whether you love the commander or hate him; I've seen just as much "he was one of the good ones" to "he was a corrupt lying bastard" takes across the board 💀
winter spruce
Nah y'all need to decide whether you love the commander or hate him; I've seen j...
he sounded like a dick in previous movies, they just changed direction for some reason (probably because he was being killed off)
atomic sinew
He still looks on at Shadow as he's sealed away with ambivilance, so he's proper grey inbetween in my book
winter spruce
now Rockwell is the new corrupt lying bastard
hybrid aspen
Nah y'all need to decide whether you love the commander or hate him; I've seen j...
i think he both lied to cover the story up which was a bad action, but also was actually against shooting shadow in the moment which was a good action
atomic sinew
And lies about what the accident was
hybrid aspen
yeah hes just grey imo
fringe solar
also movie sonic if def still has a problems and hes nowhere near game sonic but hes a lot less annoying than i thought
and scene with him and shadow on a moon is perfect
winter spruce
the whole GUN department is either gray or made up of antagonistic people
hybrid aspen
yeah hes def not the same character but he had his moments here
fringe solar
and scene with him and shadow on a moon is perfect
this is the shit game sonic would actually do
atomic sinew
Is it?
fringe solar
yeah
atomic sinew
It just seemed like more movie Sonic to me
hybrid aspen
ngl i do kinda wish they didnt redo the scene where sonic offers knuckles his handshake
winter spruce
Meanwhile the whole Robotnik gang is either gay or made up of antagonistic people
strong basin
I now have….
does calculations
4 Sonic Movie 3 posters
atomic sinew
Or the kind of person people say IDW Sonic is
hybrid aspen
they used the same framing here but idk i think they just shouldve done something somewhat different
fringe solar
It just seemed like more movie Sonic to me
if sonic was the one who help shadow at the end of SA2 and not amy they would have something similar
atomic sinew
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh
solid bobcat
It just seemed like more movie Sonic to me
You are correct
It is very movie sonic
Its better
hybrid aspen
they used the same framing here but idk i think they just shouldve done somethin...
the way they dropped live and learn after that was peak though
atomic sinew
solid bobcat
Movie sonic making folks on the internet realize my perspective on sonic's game character and im happy about that
hybrid aspen
ngl i kinda just want to cut these super scenes together now so i can watch it the way i imagine it was at some point intended
solid bobcat
Game sonic is a tool, in the most litteral sense of that word often time
A means to an end
atomic sinew
He's a lot less cliche that's for sure
split agate
Nah y'all need to decide whether you love the commander or hate him; I've seen j...
Given he’s the one in the first film who made the call to send in Robotnik despite everyone else in the room being opposed to it I think he may genuinely be doopid 💀
atomic sinew
I do like that they didn't do the exact same thing as the Sonic and Knuckles scene, but the overemphasis on these scenes is long in the tooth at this point
Like at least Longclaw wasn't brought up in name, they didn't go back on their word on what was actually possible from the previous interviews
hybrid aspen
ngl i kinda just want to cut these super scenes together now so i can watch it t...
LIKE THIS FEELS SO MUCH BETTER PACED TOO
JUST KEEPING IT A ONE AND A HALF MIN ACTION SEQUENCE
atomic sinew
lmao the jim carrey really fucks up just how serious the finale feels
This actually feels like a proper next level climax
hybrid aspen
it 100% would have nailed the climactic anime season finale feel they aimed for if it wasnt legit just that one daniel barnes tweet
vernal bridge
at least i got to see my fav gundam knockoffs after the weird mantis stuff was o...
I really want to see the concept art of these
hybrid aspen
same
vernal bridge
Cause they are similar to the game ones but not exactly
Remind a lot of Armored Core mechs
hybrid aspen
yeah their eyes are like, somewhat based off of the movie badniks
and theyre a lot bulkier
its kinda hard to tell but i think theyre colored the same as the game ones right?
atomic sinew
They should be yeah
hybrid aspen
just wondering bc the SXSG DLC for some reason had differently colored G.U.N robots
atomic sinew
I noticed that there was one mech on the desk in the opening minute of the movie
vernal bridge
its kinda hard to tell but i think theyre colored the same as the game ones righ...
They looks similar
kind scarab
Its a shame cuz they had to have the jim carrey scenes, when in reality im sure no one would complain
hybrid aspen
I noticed that there was one mech on the desk in the opening minute of the movie
like in shadows flashback montage thing?
atomic sinew
like in shadows flashback montage thing?
Nah on the desk of the GUN soldier
atomic sinew
I thought it was Emerl at first but then I recognized the forward profile
hybrid aspen
badnik mechanic said there was a reference to the E-Series halfway through the movie but i didnt manage to catch that on both watches
atomic sinew
And then you get the look at it as the camera switches to view Shadow's capsule and I was like oh thank god
hybrid aspen
i did like the biolizard reference though
like i would have loved to see it in live action but its very understandable why they didnt do it i think
so using him in a still somehow thematically similar way was kinda clever i think
I WANNA SEE THE BTS FOOTAGE OF THIS SUIT TOO LOL
atomic sinew
💀
hybrid aspen
bc like i think that is a practical suit they made right
vernal bridge
I saw many people angry they ditched the biolizard but yeah the godzilla nod was awesome
hybrid aspen
i love how it looks ngl
lament bough
I WANNA SEE THE BTS FOOTAGE OF THIS SUIT TOO LOL
Kinda funny how they went full Godzilla on the fucking Biolizard and it just pops in for around a minute
atomic sinew
I'll only say I called it from a mile away lmao
hybrid aspen
i mean i def knew they werent doing biolizard
lament bough
But sure, have Jim Carrey smack Jim Carrey’s ass! That will appeal to the Game Sonic fans!
hybrid aspen
very very eazy to predict
atomic sinew
Yeah but moreso the format
hybrid aspen
i just liked the specific nod
atomic sinew
Like it's going to be an unserious prop nod somewhere
lament bough
Like i expected some compromises from SA2 in this but aside from that, kinda funny how we didn’t get a single Rouge cameo
fringe solar
at least i got to see my fav gundam knockoffs after the weird mantis stuff was o...
my goats........................
hybrid aspen
but i think using it the way they did kinda carries a bit of the same themes i think the biolizard at least somewhat adopted over the adaptations and sxsg
fringe solar
strange gun didnt used them
vernal bridge
The biolizard is meant to represent a physical manifestation of Gerald's will of revenge. The distorted last laught from someone thats no longer among the living
So
atomic sinew
my goats........................
Crazy how I said "the movies would never be this raw" and then the movie decided to be that raw for like 30 seconds
vernal bridge
Im okay with it not appearing, considering Gerald is alive
lament bough
But speaking of women…
The big pink hedgehog shaped elephant in the room…
Who’s gonna voice Movie Amy
Who made those Metal Sonics
hybrid aspen
i think them using it as a thing that makes shadow go "do i really belong here?" kinda fits with both what the biolizard and now the little black arms spawn on the ark meant to shadow
its reminders that hes an alien experiment
lament bough
Are we getting some form of Sonic The Comic representation before Archie (and by extension, SatAM)?
hybrid aspen
Are we getting some form of Sonic The Comic representation before Archie (and by...
that would be so peak
vernal bridge
Who’s gonna voice Movie Amy
Imagine they just go the Coleen route
lament bough
and most importantly, will they all be explained before JJK Wave 2 in Fortnite
fringe solar
btw they def gonna adapt black arms stuff considering shadow in a movie is an alien
atomic sinew
i think them using it as a thing that makes shadow go "do i really belong here?"...
I mean it makes more sense for movie Shadow I guess
hybrid aspen
#tekno4movie4
atomic sinew
But that's solely because he's built around these directions
lament bough
Imagine they just go the Coleen route
Impossible, cuz the only reason something like that happened was because of time constraints
hybrid aspen
#tekno4movie4
give me live action lesbian sonic characters
fringe solar
btw they def gonna adapt black arms stuff considering shadow in a movie is an al...
btw shadow being an alien was the most "what" i had when watching these movie
hybrid aspen
I mean it makes more sense for movie Shadow I guess
i mean also with game shadow
fringe solar
i really dont even think they gonna do this
hybrid aspen
at least with what we see in dark beginnings
lament bough
Same deal as Shadow
atomic sinew
Movie 4 boutta be Pichu's worst nightmare as an Amy hater
weary crystal
Total box office should be over $150 mil now
lament bough
Movie 4 boutta be Pichu's worst nightmare as an Amy hater
I forgot about the username
hybrid aspen
that moment was very similar to the opening of part 2 of dark beginnings imo
weary crystal
Unfortunately the stunted release made it hard to track
lament bough
There
atomic sinew
that moment was very similar to the opening of part 2 of dark beginnings imo
Yeah, but that's solely bc of that
hybrid aspen
shadow sees thing that reminds him hes a "monster", he talks about it to maria and she encourages him (though what they talk about is more inline with part 1's opening)
atomic sinew
Hence why I said movie Shadow is built around it comparatively
lament bough
Would not surprise me if the Dark Beginnings crew and Movie 3 crew just shared ideas with each other
atomic sinew
Yeah
hybrid aspen
i felt like those scenes in dark beginnings fit game shadow really well though
like, it 100% makes sense that those would be things he was thinking about while on the ark
the manga follows that too to an extent
i really wish they also talked about maria's illness in the movie though, bc thats what made the moment not hit as hard as the SXSG scenes for me though
i think shadow also being frustrated he can't save her was really really good
atomic sinew
All of those elements are new elements though; I can agree with some angles working, but they're largely reframing a lot
hybrid aspen
they are new but i think its mostly bc there was practically nothing there before
we kinda just made stuff up collectively as a fanbase for as to how shadow was prior to the events of the ark shutting down
atomic sinew
I don't think it works as well as others think it does
hybrid aspen
i think shadow being unsure of him having a place on earth in the first place 100% makes his will to destroy it as revenge somewhat more understandable
atomic sinew
nocturne falcon
I half wanted them to have a rematch
atomic sinew
I mean that's not wrong in a "he sees himself as other" way
lime silo
i love how it looks ngl
this to me was essentially Iblis done right
adapting a well known monster/beast from the games in a comedic fashion, but doesn't imply some action sequences or journey off-screen that you probably would've wanted to see but they won't show you
plus, that Bio n Shadow connection with Shadow feeling like an outsider thanks to this movie,
it's funny how even in the universe where they have no relation, Biolizard still fucks with him
nocturne falcon
In a longer cut or something it would have been so sick to see Sonic fight Knuckles over the emerald
hybrid aspen
in general i think the movie having gerald manipulate shadow as the story goes along is the main advantage gerald being alive in the movie has over the game story where they kinda imply gerald mind controlled him in a rare guide but otherwise does not really go into it
atomic sinew
All of those elements are new elements though; I can agree with some angles work...
Too much naval gazing on what makes Shadow appealing in a softer sense than the context previously affords; the waves being made are moving further and further away from the original and still prevailing identity of the char/story, and that's going to be interesting to see
nocturne falcon
Ehhhhhhhh
fringe solar
btw does anyone what song play in these scene
hybrid aspen
i really dont think these take it further away than the original
frankly i think they just kinda neatly tie into each other
nocturne falcon
I mean some things like Shadows life on the ark and his artificial creation tie into his whole contrast with Sonic
atomic sinew
Sure
atomic sinew
frankly i think they just kinda neatly tie into each other
Naaah these are wildly different takes
lament bough
Kinda funny how it took em until the 3rd movie for them to use proper game music and their first choice was Live and Learn
atomic sinew
Even the messages of the stories are completely different
hybrid aspen
Naaah these are wildly different takes
SXSGDB or the film?
atomic sinew
The mission statements themselves
nocturne falcon
That contrast is literally what he was created to be
atomic sinew
SXSGDB or the film?
Even those yeah
nocturne falcon
So if you take away those elements you essentially take away the core of the character
hybrid aspen
i mean yeah they have different messages in dark beginnings as they tell different story in SXSG, retreading the same messages as SA2 with nothing new to offer would be dogshit
ivory grotto
Shadow is a character who parallel AND contrast Sonic
atomic sinew
So if you take away those elements you essentially take away the core of the cha...
Right, but it's just a matter of how those elements are framed is the thing
vernal bridge
I gotta say, I love that the movie uses Live and Learn as a leitmotif through all the movie
Not only because its live and learn
nocturne falcon
Agreed
vernal bridge
But because movies used to have recognizable leitmotiffs all the time
hybrid aspen
i mean yeah they have different messages in dark beginnings as they tell differe...
it was a lot more about how you cant really ever forget about your trauma, which is something that previous games ignore but i think entirely improves them
vernal bridge
Just saw a nice 90s movie called the Rocketeer and it had the main theme blasting every opportunity it could
weary crystal
Total box office should be over $150 mil now
Over $160 mil tbh
vernal bridge
And that was cool af
hybrid aspen
the movie was a little more focused on going "revenge is not good" than sa2, but ngl, it just makes a lot more sense to make that the focus of a cinematic narrative
hybrid aspen
idk i love sa2 and its story but shadow turning there was just like
really not well done
atomic sinew
See? There we go
hybrid aspen
wdym
nocturne falcon
I think there is a way to do it and do it right
atomic sinew
Personally his turn in the movie is much worse, but it makes "sense" why they did it
grim cedar
btw does anyone what song play in these scene
Remember when people thought that a character was supposed to be their? I think they all learn there lesson, So should something similiar happen during a trailer for Sonic Movie 4, Were not falling for that again.
hybrid aspen
Personally his turn in the movie is much worse, but it makes "sense" why they di...
just wondering what makes you think that?
nocturne falcon
But I'd have to get more into it with a rewrite or something
atomic sinew
wdym
It's a matter of preference, and that preference drives what the stories emphasize
hybrid aspen
bc in the games his lust for revenge largley comes from mind manipulation we never hear about
in the game
atomic sinew
In terms of what is written
hybrid aspen
so i think his turn being his realization of what maria actually says doesnt mean as much as it could
if he was just entirely driven by himself
i DO think you could find a better balance between the movie and the game for something genuinely special
atomic sinew
He was driven by himself to a degree
hybrid aspen
but we have yet to see something do exactly what i'd like out of a reinterpetation of this story personally
wicked fog
The Pepsi AI ad
Pepsi… WHAT?? I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY JUST COKE! I hate ai ad
nocturne falcon
I like that this version gives shadow a little more agency which also ties into the movies themes better
atomic sinew
A lack of agency is a part of SA2 as well though
The movies themes deal with that but that's my point
Completely different focuses
What SA2 did is still the strongest interpretation imo, if I were to have my way I'd just emphasize those aspects of Shadow's narrative in a way that doesn't leave all the details scattered between the soundtracks and epilouges etc
The themes are higher calliber
nocturne falcon
Agreed
atomic sinew
Like I was pointing it out to my siblings and they immediately were like "ooooooh shit"
But at the same time
The presentation is really bad
Bc they were showing the cutscenes to my dad and holy crap does everything pile up in terms of flaws
hybrid aspen
i think sa2 just doesn't really focus enough on any theme for me to truly be able to say the themes it deals with are better
at least in the normal way of experiencing the story through playing the game
nocturne falcon
The presentation is really bad
That's kinda the thing. The ideas are very strong but because of the fact it's outdated in its execution? I imagine many people would prefer to experience the movie
That is unless there is some other adaptation in the future (not that I see that happening anytime soon)
hybrid aspen
but like i dont think you can even really take the time it came out into account bc sa1, while having a less dramatic story, tells its story so much more cohesively imo
wicked fog
I swear to myself that Sonic 4 will be separates into 2 parts
atomic sinew
I mean I would say that it's cohesive enough, the fault is where people's priorities lay in what they think are the defining elements of those themes
It could be helped by the story emphasizing certain things over others, but as it stands rn more people feel like they missed a beat by Maria not having a lot of screentime
wicked fog
It could be helped by the story emphasizing certain things over others, but as i...
I think that’s fine for me to see Maria get a screen time
atomic sinew
Yes but that doesn't assist anyone in making sense of SA2 itself
hybrid aspen
but like i dont think you can even really take the time it came out into account...
like its easy to forget but when playing the game, you practically have no idea that:
maria is ill and shadow was created partially to cure her
which should like
really be put on the forefront if thats
a thing i think??
atomic sinew
Not necessarily
hybrid aspen
idk i always thought maria should have had more screentime
she has like 2 lines in the game 😭
atomic sinew
She can but that doesn't assist in the way people think it does
People wanted movie Shadow
But game Shadow and the theme of the game does not revolve around that
atomic sinew
Partially yeah
hybrid aspen
sa2 tries to cover a lot but ends up covering very little
the movie focused on one thing that it tries to cover
which i think is respectable
but i would like to see an adaptation of the story that fully fleshes out all of the story
atomic sinew
Maria's illness is mainly an element that I think serves later media particularly well; to SA2 it's more an additional note as the focus is on things much more prominant at the time
hybrid aspen
i really thought the manga was headed in that direction but unfortunately it had to be a game tie in 
that first chapter was so well executed man
atomic sinew
Manga came so close to emulating the ideal, damn
But at the same time I think that just serves to highlight this even more
hybrid aspen
they just HAD to introduce a weird balloon guy 😭
atomic sinew
Corocoro fanservice smh
hybrid aspen
at least next chapter we're getting black doom
and mephiles showing up was hype even if brief
wicked fog
Do you guys think Sonic 4 will be like two parts like Spiderverse 2
hybrid aspen
i think the first manga chapter just works really well bc it both covers stuff from sa2, dark beginnings, AND introduces its own ways of covering previous themes with how the scientist stopped caring about shadow the moment it was inconvenient for him
kind scarab
https://vxtwitter.com/pink5k/status/1872880630633247096 true
The delivery helped
atomic sinew
The manga is the first time seeing all the information covered in a flashback esque story, which is great
Mashing it all together with all the disparate factoids and info is more complicated for storytelling than it seems imo
hybrid aspen
also seeing black doom in a serialized manga is just kinda cool by itself
worn topaz
I am Black Doom and I have sausage fingers
hybrid aspen
also i feel like the art has kinda been getting better each chapter even if the writing hasn't
shadow feels a lot more consistently on-model in chapter 4 than chapter 1 i think
mostly the face doesn't look as goofy anymore i think?
atomic sinew
I'd have to go back and check, but it def seems that way from those shots yeah
split agate
also seeing black doom in a serialized manga is just kinda cool by itself
lower face flared like a knob mate
hybrid aspen
its still not like 100% on model all the time but it seems at least more than previously
split agate
should see a doctor abt that
hybrid aspen
wind trout
I forgot about the username
You are based asf for that Zavok hater username
atomic sinew
Getting tired of teeth-clenched Shadow is CRAAAAZY @kind scarab
Could never be me\
atomic sinew
At least we have Movie Shadow now
pale basin
Do you guys think Sonic 4 will be like two parts like Spiderverse 2
Doubt
Using spider verse as an example doesn’t work
hybrid aspen
do yall think i drew yuki imada's shadow well enough to be recognizable as specifically her shadow here
wind trout
do yall think i drew yuki imada's shadow well enough to be recognizable as speci...
Honestly? Hell yea
grim cedar
Do you guys think Sonic 4 will be like two parts like Spiderverse 2
If it were two parts, The second part would have to involve Silver, Should the time travel stuff needs a bigger narrative.
atomic sinew
Hmmm I think the proportions are exaggerated in similar ways, but kinda different, idk
wind trout
hai Henry
hybrid aspen
do you have anything you specifically think is different
wicked fog
If it were two parts, The second part would have to involve Silver, Should the t...
I will get fucking near 30
atomic sinew
Idk I'm not usually that thorough on model/design analysis
pale basin
Also I compeltely doubt sonic 4 will be 2 parter just because Sonic 4 episode and 2 exist
💀
kind scarab
Shadow was never about angry bitch teeth clenching to me it was always like sort of calm calculated anger and ire.... idk 💀
grim cedar
I will get fucking near 30
I'll be 54 by the time 4 comes out, and who knows how old by 5.
wicked fog
If you tired of Shadow’s clenching teeth, maybe you SHOULD SEE GETTER ROBO’s CHARACTER LOL
pale basin
Like I am happy to see both Amy and Metal Sonic but come on bro
They are not worth it for 2 parters
They didn't even do that for Shadow
atomic sinew
Shadow was never about angry bitch teeth clenching to me it was always like sort...
His first in-game line is "PATHETIC HUMANS" 💀
hybrid aspen
Idk I'm not usually that thorough on model/design analysis
fair, just really wanting to proprely represent every shadow for this piece
still have to do 2 more shadows im going insane
wicked fog
kind scarab
His first in-game line is "PATHETIC HUMANS" 💀
Yes, it is but is different than that
wicked fog
I'll be 54 by the time 4 comes out, and who knows how old by 5.
How old are you rn 💀
kind scarab
Also the line is read differently than you would think 
vernal bridge
Talking about teet-clenching, I wonder if movie-verse problem with how the teeth look could be fixed with more pronounced, animalistic fangs
grim cedar
How old are you rn 💀
51 at the moment, But will turn 52 in Feb.
wicked fog
Teeth clenching
hybrid aspen
?
atomic sinew
Also the line is read differently than you would think <:keanu:12276385730590147...
Idk about allathat 
kind scarab
Okay
hybrid aspen
still have to do 2 more shadows im going insane
theres no rips of rumble shadow online too
vernal bridge
Teeth clenching
Bro those are smiles
hybrid aspen
and i have no way of ripping him myself
hybrid aspen
so i might have to improvise something for that too 😭
wind trout
Teeth clenching
That’s…those are smiles…
hybrid aspen
and i need to do batman shadow from scratch as well but at least thats 2D
vernal bridge
That chin tho
Oh thats Hayato. He's all scarred in the OVA the screenshot is from
pale basin
ah
split agate
fair, just really wanting to proprely represent every shadow for this piece
oh damn you got it in, hell yea 🔥🔥
split agate
Niceee lol
peak grail
Shadow was never about angry bitch teeth clenching to me it was always like sort...
When the edge is too much.
split agate
fair, just really wanting to proprely represent every shadow for this piece
also unrelated but its so funny Iizuka has precisely one shadow on speed dial from this and its the one that’s two inches tall and made of plastic lmao
weary crystal
fair, just really wanting to proprely represent every shadow for this piece
@frozen flame this looks like that speed sim Shadow skin pack for 2400 robux 😭
And yes I went back to play for Super Shadow and I'm gonna dip again until the next limited skin comes out
wind trout
<@283602224611852289> this looks like that speed sim Shadow skin pack for 2400 r...
LMFAO
hybrid aspen
<@283602224611852289> this looks like that speed sim Shadow skin pack for 2400 r...
Huh
wind trout
tho relatable
hybrid aspen
Do you have an image of what you're referencing
wind trout
I’m dipping till another character I care about comes
hybrid aspen
Haven't touched speed sim in like over a year probably 😭
wind trout
That’s because doom wings shadow is peak (until movie shadow comes to speed sim)
hybrid aspen
Maybe I'd have remembered to include one of the speed sim skins in the render
But I legit didn't know any were happening I have no idea what's going on in that game
Did they have any good new shadow skins this year
frozen flame
<@283602224611852289> this looks like that speed sim Shadow skin pack for 2400 r...
haven't seen it
nocturne falcon
really be put on the forefront if thats
I think if it's to be done I think that it should be Gerald putting that pressure on him
hybrid aspen
Idk I think it makes sense he'd put that pressure on himself if he cares for maria
nocturne falcon
Oh no that makes sense for sure I'm just saying that pressure shouldn't come from Maria herself
hybrid aspen
Oh yeah 100%
Though so far it def hasn't
Both in the manga and in dark beginnings she def doesn't pressure him
He talks about the pressure and she tries to comfort him
nocturne falcon
I just think the movie does something extra right by having them spend more normal time together.
hybrid aspen
Yeah for sure
nocturne falcon
It doesn't always have to be deep chats and illness talk
hybrid aspen
I think getting to see more of game maria, whether that's through sonic channel art or through SXSG and dark beginnings, it really helps game maria feel like a character too which I appreciate
kind scarab
I just think the movie does something extra right by having them spend more norm...
Woe something i agree with you 😭
nocturne falcon
In concept it's good but I think the movie does a better job at characterising her
hybrid aspen
Idk I think it just shows specifically more "fun" stuff
But the characterization itself really isn't all that different
kind scarab
But is the fun happy stuff that helps you feel more attatched
nocturne falcon
Plus it helps show her as more of an actual kid
Messing with Shadow and the other scientists
kind scarab
I love that montage so much amazing choice of music too
Even if its from 1988 like this shouldnt exist back then smh
hybrid aspen
In the game universe it'd have to be music from the 50s lmao
hybrid aspen
I mean there's no set age for stuff but like it was the 50s 50 years ago when sa2 came out
atomic sinew
SA2 would be blasting edgy goodness no matter what the era
No movie trends to be found
hybrid aspen
Most unserious lyrics of all time
atomic sinew
I forget where I saw it though
Tbh if SA2 didn't have Knuckles music it just wouldn't be the same
hybrid aspen
Death chamber's lyrics are literally just sonic and knuckles arguing its peak
atomic sinew
A ghost tried to approach me he got leery is iconic
I do like how the casper joke was basically that, but in movie context lol
hybrid aspen
Sonic, what are you doin' here?
I heard you were on a quest for the Master Emerald
You know me and you don't get along
I don't think that's the point right now, Knuckles. I know how much the Emerald means to you, and I wanna help get it back. Stop being stubborn and think!
Well, I guess you're right
You're damn right, Knuckles!
Funniest lyrics of all time
And it's really not out of character too 😭
atomic sinew
Ykw
I wonder if that was part of the story at a point
Like before the cast got expanded and stuff
hybrid aspen
Would make sense tbh
hybrid aspen
Tbf I'd imagine this was maybe the convo knuckles had when he and sonic met up outside the pyramids
atomic sinew
Maybe yeah
wind trout
Sonic, what are you doin' here?
*I heard you were on a quest for the Master Eme...
Second time Sonic has sworn
I am a happy camper
peak grail
A ghost tried to approach me he got leery is iconic
Wait, it's not married?
atomic sinew
I still remember when he got larry tbh
strong basin
I still remember when he got larry tbh
kind scarab
I still remember when he got larry tbh
They*
atomic sinew
Yes but you're not who they want to capture with it
kind scarab
But classic sonic should def be more than cute
atomic sinew
Frontiers is the sole outlier in their attempts for Jp marketshare
atomic sinew
What abt Gojo then
kind scarab
Japanese audiences are Fucking VIOLENT to archtypes they dont like
atomic sinew
Isn't he a bit uh
kind scarab
Well hes dead
atomic sinew
Yeah but he was like the center star of the series
Certainly don't remember any talk of him being too much 
How accurate is this to popular shonen MCs even
kind scarab
Twitter
atomic sinew
Bc Naruto is very braggy, Yurameshi is the same archetype of Ryuji iirc
Or maybe not ig
kind scarab
Nahhhh
Idk
Its different
Its a whole culture thing
I think its above us skfjejjdjd
atomic sinew
Id have to play personer in order to understand Ryuji
kind scarab
Probably not that simple to explain
atomic sinew
atomic sinew
Eesh
kind scarab
And the game too
Like he is treated so unfairly and then beaten up by his own friends for Comedy
Even tho his story is about how he suffered physical abuse
And the reason is
Hes kind of a delinquent
And those archtypes are really REALLY not well seen there
atomic sinew
Delinquent is what I was imagining when thinking abt his char yeah
kind scarab
Japan hates those, its defintely cultural
nocturne falcon
Ok what about bakugo
atomic sinew
So what makes him different from all the other super popular delinquents in Jp media?
peak grail
Maybe... cute is not the way...
Sonic Superstars kind of shows that.
atomic sinew
Isn't that just the same as like
People verbally saying Bakugo sucks, but the other side of the coin having a huge fanbase
nocturne falcon
He's a pretty popular character regardless
kind scarab
Maybe there is nuance to that
atomic sinew
Haters and fans being as strong as one another
nocturne falcon
I just think it's generally down to how they've marketed sonic there over the years
kind scarab
Like maybe they can be a delinquent. But then they have this kind of softer side that japan can vibe with
nocturne falcon
They never particularly bothered much in appealing to Japan before, the focus was on competing with Nintendo in the American market
kind scarab
Ryuji doesnt really haaaave that softer side
nocturne falcon
Like maybe they can be a delinquent. But then they have this kind of softer side...
Even Sonic can have those more down to earth soft moments
kind scarab
Hes a rowdy dude
atomic sinew
Hmmmm
kind scarab
Yea but they will never know from looking at him
They will look at Sonic like we look at Awesome Possum
nocturne falcon
Ryuji DOES have his moments
kind scarab
😭
atomic sinew
which is obviously how Sonic Team would prefer people not look at him
They push the "moments" hard whenever they can
kind scarab
I think sonic frontiers being like
atomic sinew
To the degree some ppl didn't vibe with the softer characterization
atomic sinew
Hmmmm maybe
atomic sinew
A chill atmosphere with a character they previously wrote off
atomic sinew
kind scarab
atomic sinew
The wonders anime girls can do ig
Well we had that in the storybook games
And SA2
And 06
And now the upcoming game
kind scarab
you mean the most popular games in japan
atomic sinew
What about anime boy
kind scarab
How that went for sonic x
atomic sinew
Where's the chris alikes
kind scarab
Boys are stupid girls are cute and aeshetically pleasing
atomic sinew
Sonic Forces but you play as anime boy character insert
kind scarab
No one will play as the boy
atomic sinew
Bc that's all that matters to ppl
kind scarab
Just liek pokemon
kind scarab
Girl: thousands of acessories and cute hairstyles and outfits
Boy: 3 tshirts
Thats pokemon
And they never need to change it cuz they dooont caaaare
atomic sinew
Thank god for Splatoon avoiding that lmao
atomic sinew
Pokemon is probably like "oh the boys just want a self insert and as a result they don't care abt customization"
kind scarab
CORRECT
DO THAT SONIC TEAM
give atlus the helm
It gotta be at least
Slightly better than frontiers
Like 300 copies instead of 30
olive rivet
I've been saying that sega should get atlus to make a sonic rpg
they have all the pieces of exodia, but refuse to obliterate us with peak
wicked fog
Yakuza is big in Japan
wicked fog
https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1872845380142149655
Maybe.. Hello Kitty, Kirby and Yakuza is what they into?
wicked fog
give us a sonic game with this energy
I want Yakuza and Sonic crossover. Or have Yakuza teams working with Sonic