#[SPOILERS] Sonic Movie 3
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Okay, I thought it sounded funny.
It's the biggest flaw in the movie
I don't have anything serious, I can promise you that though. I can understand why others aren't a fan of it.
God I don’t blame Krysten Ritter for giving bare minimum energy lol, she had absolutely nothing to work with in that script
It kinda feels like most of her scenes were cut
Infact it feels like there some stuff cut from the story overall
Or at least it felt that way to me
If it was gonna be filler it is okay here
I agree with the feeling like things were cut out yeah
I wouldn't be surprised if it's like Sonic 2.
Stuff happens too fast
They also cut out some important stuff.
So it makes the feeling stronger
Most she does is slide across the floor like a worn
And also tom thinking she hot 😭
Rachel part was the funniest one for sure
As usual
By the way, Wade Whipple only appeared once... but it showed how they really became friends after the events of Knuckles.
Him being trusted to guard the Master Emerald is funny.
Knuckles has the flames in the end
Rachel was great but the wedding bit was still better imo

Wade being the goat as always
He also treats the way Sonic became super right in front of him so casually.
Olive garden death was...too fast idk
I think Knuckles references were handled well, they were not intrusive, short but they were there
Wade scene is quite possibly The funniest way they could’ve included him lol
They tried to make me feel bad but I just couldn't feel anything 😭
It happened in a blink of an eye
I agree I had trouble taking his death seriously 😭
Also we know who the true guardian of the master emerald was.
I think he was used okay thanks to the flashbacks
That's why I feel like a lot of stuff was cut out
In an interview, they cut out a part that would explain why Gerald was still alive
He is actually only on 1 scene present day, then Tom impersonates him
I don't think anyone would agree but to me is like they cut half of the movie and made it start since the middle of it
If we get to see the deleted scenes, we'll probably understand better.
On the one hand, I would've liked that explanation
on the other, I think is funnier the man is alive just by his hatred
But it made sense to say like his speech about Shadow from the trailer
was fully expecting him to turn up alive and well, so I’m surprised they genuinely did just keep him dead
Because he knew Shadow
He stayed alive just by licking Shadow's quill, Which makes me wonder about Robotnik, He had the habbit of doing the same, So maybe he survived?
Tom is too important
James Marsden mandated to not die
You mean they survived by being freaky?
As for Sonic Movie 4, They can go any direction now.
But then again Robotnik died maybe
oh? thats an interesting thought (though I do think he probably died in the explosion 💔 )
Was bout to cry, glad he didn't die
When your goat is washed 💔 🔥
Tom didn't die but that definetely was a close call
I think they're going to pull a White Space scenario with Robotnik if they really end up getting Jim Carrey again.
This movie never explained how Robotnik survived, He's just there
True
Gerald's deal with GUN was, He would be released from Prison, If he gives them the plans to built the Eclipse Canon
Going by the eclipse canon thing I wonder where did shadow go
mexico
Is not earth for sure, it looked like a wasteland
And also the 06 shot
I think is time...
Some sort of desert area
Im confident it was earth, personally
How is Gerald still alive?
How is Palpatine still alive?
The what shot?
They never explain this stuff
The 06 shot showing his air shoes
There were some forces at GUN with ulterior motives, Which is why Commander Walters handed the key to Sonic.
I may have bad memory.
IDK what 06 shot that even is.
The one where he's in his Super form?
It could be another planet
I don't think that's an 06 shot.
Shadow being in that black comet is a mystery
I wonder what will they do for Shadow's future
Like who put him their 
I think it was a X reference
Hmm.
Like when he gets back the ring
I know it was this you were talking about, but when I look at it I get it.
I think they did that so he would still be connected to the black arms, like he broke off from a part of the black comet? Something like that idk
The SOL Dimension?
The whole thing with taking his rings off in space was X, getting the ring back later was also X inspiration
that would be cool... 👀
Oh yeah, was Maria even ill in this movie?
Shadow was meant to take off his limiters in SA2, that’s why Sonic had one of em and gave it to Rouge
nope
Nah
I dont think she was
Maria was just a normal girl
She is, yeah.
He takes off his limiters in X during the space battle
They weren't limiters in the game I think
They never state nor deny this
They are
She was never ill, Because the whole purpose of creating Shadow was to find a cure for her illness, In the movie, She's just a normal kid who stumbles upon him
Pretty much
Hello
Shadow just came from space
Yeah this, they removed a lot of her story for simplicity
He literally just came from space Superman style.
I love the child meeting a destructive creature and becoming friends with that creature trope
The whole Shadow and Maria thing give me those vibes of a kid befriending an alien.
I think there could be a neat way to show in a Shadow spinoff that looks can be deceiving and that Maria was very ill but kept a positive cheery side to it all.
Yeah. In sa2 they don't really state that Maria is sick directly
Maria could be back in more flashbacks yes
it was in a supplementary material where this was revealed but not within sa2's plot on itself
More Alyla Browne
Let Alyla Browne cook more
It’s been a while since I’ve checked in here; how do people feel about the movie?
Over on social media I’m starting to notice the initial hype is wearing off and some people are starting to notice some of the issues I originally had with the film (without me ever interacting with them i mean)
Wondering how this place’s opinions have held up
It was with a bit of flaws, but pretty good all around.
It was great but I think SA2 story is better for me
This is definitely the best movie out of all of 'em.
I wonder how long was Shadow with Maria, Because we only see brief moments of there lives, Its possible it could have been maybe a couple of months or a year?
A bit of flaws but I had lots of fun with it, and I personally prefer it in a few areas over sa2
Yea a few months seems likely
I still don’t think i liked it much but i intend to see it a second time
I haven’t had a solid opinion on it but I do enjoy it at a surface level but I still hate how it’s just Sonic in real life and would just rather have a more game accurate movie
What
Still think it's the best of the three and it's not even close
I think this movie easily clears SA2, it had dragon ball styled fights.
I liked the Supers fight, should have been in SA2
Right now the biggest pain I have is my throat.
I loved it! I just had issues with the pacing, things were moving really fast and some parts of the movie needed some more development for a better impact, but runtime was shorter and all. I would have prefered they stayed more faithful to the source material (specifically things in SA2) but it really doesn't ruin the movie for me
if someone ruined your experience we give you the permission to kill them
If they do a Shadow spinoff, They could do some flashbacks to specific moments, Things that he remember Maria telling him.
REAL LIKE THIS SCENE WAS SO BADASS
something about online discourse or something?
The Shadow spinoff is gonna be hard carrying most of Shadow’s story
That's debatable. I just know I generally prefer this over sa2, but that just limits it to my preference and not just for the action.
I trust them to execute it masterfully
Movie 3 gives just enough to understand like SA2 but we still need to see more
They left Shadow's real backstory unclear, it's so obvious that they want to pull a Black Doom.
In a Shadow spinoff, he will search for answers where he came from.
I pray it is a Shadow movie not a Paramount plus show... or not on paramount plus at least
AYYYYPOOOO
Time to see it again, maybe opinions will change lol
WOH
Poooooog
Yoo! Thats awesome!
Wow free movie tickets
I think I put 1 at 7/10 and 2 at 8/10, but after 3 I'm thinking on lowering the other 2 by 2 points
Guacamole
I have this idea in my head, Since this movie hasn't done it, Its possible within those couple of months of Shadow and Maria, Perhaps they have taken a photo of the two at some point, But the photo has been lost, Until somebody finds it, and gifts it to Shadow.
knuckles the series has retroactively improved rating wise thanks to Sonic 3 (imo)
In what sense?
they made the whole thing pay off with that singular scene
The movie legitimizes the Knuckles series
if you didn’t watch Knuckles then the joke doesn’t land
If it is a show, I hope it is on netflix with their own budget, I SAID IT, anything but paramount plus
I just remembered, but I'm surprised they showed nothing related to the bowling thing.
This is exactly what i meant to express
I mean the quick Wade gag in 3 works well enough on its own without watching the Knux series imo

It prob does, but with context it's cooler.
And Knux uses the Flames of Disaster to break into GUN HQ
Im sure they returned the Master Emerald back to Wade, and he continues playing around with it
But Thas it really
yes but it’s significantly enhanced by having seen the show
I mean I guess the show gives it somewhat better context, but ngl it'd work well enough without that I feel
And also when he grabs sonic and tails when they are falling
i was like “oh my god that trash ass filler actually meant something”
Knuckles literally calls Wade a warrior and all that.
Dragon ball ass gag lmao
Oh did he? Didn’t caught that
There is one thing the show mention, It could have been just a joke, But the whole alien going to a bowling tournament in 1974
Tbh I expected a Knuckles and Wade interaction, I got it somehow
I’m just glad Wade was there just for that one scene and it works well enough
They did nothing with it.
Where was my Shadow bowling scene...
Shadow returns to Reno. That is the plot of the Shadow spinoff
Yeah, I was expecting some kind of payoff
Just like how there was a Wachowski in Green Hills for 50 years also
They just be saying shit only to just do streamlined SA2
I think I would be less annoyed if they told a wholly different story with Shadow but idk if I fw that
Man these movies make me so conflicted
I don’t know what I want from these movies
There are things in the movie that were straight up SA2, But with a twist
I am sure they cut all the human stuff because people complained about the wedding in 2 and Wade
Im glad they are in there, Because despite different approach they had, We all get the references
They kept their little plots in a short time, which was the ideal outcome anyway
I hope they unironically make a whole Shadow the Hedgehog movie instead of a show.
There was nothing in the movie like sa2 except for some small parts tbh lol
knowing you, it’s something that you’re never going to get from these paramount Sonic films
I know they're thinking about it already.
and I’m right there with you
For me it's kind of easy enough to figure out what I want from those movies
ive just tried to do my best to meet this media where it is (movies, prime, etc) and pray it somehow manages to get closer and closer to what i want, but never really does
I want original stories that could reference the game ones
Black Doom could still be possible in a spinoff, He wasn't included, The whole story around him is too much, So they can have that elsewhere
which is why I’m just kinda whatever about all of it
That's what I like about these movies and show
Which is decent blockbuster popcorn flicks with Sonic characters and actual stories being told
Yeah that’s actually true. These movies will never be it for me. They can try to appease me but the games was what I loved this series to begin with
Sonic 3 had mostly what I wanted.
These movies are structured like superhero films.
We could absolutely have original stories while still being faithful to what the games established. Kinda like… any new Sonic game we get
Which is what they (mostly) succeed at while something like a Mario movie kinda didn't for me?
The general outline is akin to sa2 but the actual events unfolding are vastly different
Is kinda like the little mermaid/ponyo
I’d like to see an original story for a film that feels like it’d slot in well with the Sonic games
we’re finally getting the sonic fans wadepilled chat
(always been of the opinion the knux show’s a great time, just gotta set the expectation of “it’s just jokes innit” going in which the marketing kiiiiinda didn’t iirc)
Honestly I am with david
I feel like if they wanted to get more people into the series I Feel like doing completely different works
Sonic Movie manage to pull it off successfully
I do understand wanting to see the current cast appearing in a movie, it'll be cool
But I feel like this is the better choice doing so
honestly a movie using the plot of sonic frontiers probably would’ve been better than the actual frontiers lol
Obviously it’d not be the exact same but ykwim
Not wrong lmao
Another thing I do love over the movie series is doing different takes over the chars while actually feel seperate compared to the main series
Which..... many past adaptations failed to do outside of.....
surprisingly boom lmao
If Frontiers was animated in any way, it would honestly be way too good.
hmm
Honestly frontiers plot would work so good as an anime series or something
With enough time to actually flesh out the parts the game glosses over
Oh, did anybody catch the purple haired lady in the movie?
Right
My sister and me did
I was honestly too distracted watching the actual stuff happening.
Yeah, turning it into a series would be a much better choice, making it into a movie either limits it pretty hard or it just has to be a 2-parter at least I feel
in 5 days we'll see whether or not that was a red herring or something (something...woah....)
If it was a red herring, that would be an absolute troll move.
But does make me looking forward over both Amy and Metal Sonic after with Knuckles and Shadow
Like I wanted to see how kind of take they are doing with these 2 chars
I did notice in the movie there was some text above her in a thought bubble too, I’ve not seen it translated yet though
Their take on Metal Sonic is certainly interesting already.
it was something like "let's learn history together"
Though to double down on my actual point,
I would like more extended sonic media to have stories feel very similar to the games without actually just taking plots from previous games…. Which is a roundabout way of saying that i guess I’d like Sonic Team/Lore Team/etc to have involvement in the creation of the movie plots
We saw multiple of him.
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Ahhhh cool thanks
you mean like, moving forward there's less adaptions and moreso like original sonic-styled storylines?
I honestly think Robotnik might just be actually dead.
They'll give Metal all the spotlight.
So for example, ST comes up with a general premise and some characters, etc etc, and then paramount does the script and everything else
Metal is like the best contender if they wanted to replace Robotnik out of the way honestly
Due to Heroes
Like Prime had the right idea of telling a story within the game universe but its story was very bare that was overly drawn out and the characterizations were mad off
It seems like they will be going with the mix of CD and Heroes.
Also now that the movies have a half moon what’s the bet that the games now try to be consistent with it too
Oh if only OVA became an actual series 😔
Neo Metal would be radical.
Like I know they did it in dark beginnings but that’s literally it
Did we talked about this ?
https://www.gamesradar.com/entertainment/family-movies/sonic-3-writers-say-that-amy-rose-nearly-appeared-in-the-movie-rather-than-just-the-post-credits-revealing-that-they-have-a-great-plan-for-her-future/
earlier yeah
it was brought up earlier
Ic
But can talk about it if want
also fucking DICK move on gamesradar's part huh
What do we think ? Tldr
too bad for anybody checking their site trying to avoid spoilers
I have faith in the writers
but uh anyway this might be Good News
Only massive fuck up they did imho was tails in sonic 2 movie
But they massively improved the char
I think they learned in this movie.
LMFAOOOO
Tails did not feel sidelined.
Use warning and then show Amy

YEAH GOOD FUCKING JOB GAMESRADAR LMAO
Like nah I'm sorry, but this is corny as hell
any potential issues i could see can be cancelled out by the existence of "adorkable" characters in hollywood and hesse having a stronger creative role supposedly
or just more input from sega in general, apparently katie was credited as a character supervisor??
Adorkable?
I'll say this immediately, I don't think they can really do Amy as a "girlboss"
If she appeared a lot earlier sure, but now? I feel like with this current dynamic couldn't work
Going to what plug said earlier will be far more natural
I was initially dreading it but if the core Amy traits are still in for the movie version. I’ll live
lmfao this is funny
Please have her be bubbly and cool
“Not just a girl” oh my god
give Amy a girlfriend in this one please
Tyson gotta save us
Just hope she’s more TMOSTH and less Frontiers
they’ve done a trilogy of yaoi let’s have a yuri trilogy next pls
Unrelated but think it’s funny how the movie cast is decidedly older than the game cast
Tossing people who want her as a sassy girlboss down a flight of stairs with elongated rusted nails piercing through like spikes
I completely doubt she'll be anything like frontiers
I saw someone being salty about movie Sonic’s characterization (as usual) but from the perspective that he’s actually way older than game Sonic
Embarrassing ass behavior
Bro should be at college smoking weed 💀💀
movie sonic is doopid cos he grew up watching pop culture and doing precisely nothing else
Movie Sonic the type of guy who would collect Funko Pops
That’s why he has to die
fr
Either that, a brain transplant, or a lobotomy
I'm just actually so glad he never said any dumb pop culture things to Shadow
Atleast..I don't think he did, right?
he said “gotta go fast”
which is a Sonic reference
Shadow knew the truth that it was never an actual catchphrase and just mainly the internet meme shit taken from the Sonic X theme
You know, All those things about Maddie wearing a shirt corresponding to the next character continue to be true
the Sonic X dub truly has done irreparable damage to our culture
What color will Maddie wear in 4
I hope Maddie wears a t shirt with a job application printed on it so people can look into that
Maybe green
The funniest possible move is to have her in a zavok coloured jumper next
I think it helps that it's a more modern execution on things, that can actually sell the emotion and gravitas of things a bit more. Where with the game you have to look past how outdated the execution can feel
first viewing i lowkey wanted to kill myself when he said this
omg red? surely this means mario
its not even his catchphrase in the movies whyd they call it that
the crew admits it wasnt intentional, which guarantees that next time, it absoutely will be intentional
Yk in context... the "somebody gotta call google maps" line wasn't too bad 
The whole catch phrase part, I thought for a second, Sonic would say, What's your catchphrase, and shadow saying the ultimate lifeform
It wasn't. My theater laughed out loud at that one
sonic you committed eco-terrorism
an ENTIRE MOUNTAIN IS GONE
Shadow never says he's the Ultimate Lifeform once though. He doesn't have a catchphrase because he's a normal guy
that was shadow
I forgot what colour she was wearing.
Is it really pink?
erm who the fuck is shadow
I'm glad he never said he's the ultimate lifeform
Maddie showing up in this fit next
she wore pink in her character poster iirc
we’ve got a GUN soldier in the server
But in the movie it was what colour?
Tbf it doesn't really fit with this shadows Origins to say he's the ultimate lifeform.
Dark blue?
Cause in the game that's literally what he was genetically engineered to be
only gun soldiers “don’t know” who shadow is
Honestly same
Although tbf the latin spanish dub changed that line slightly
In the dub Sonic says something akin to "The ones of Google maps are going to hate us for this..."
Where as here he is a mysterious being that fell from an asteroid/meteor
She had a pink shirt on
The line wasn't changed in the Brazilian dub.
that is white
also its funny to call it "internet meme shit" when it's engraved into the walls of actual sega offices now
People still laughed tho.
Nah dawg that poster is def a magenta/purple sweater with the white spotlights glaring off a pink color
Ew...
A few of them.
Really?
Nah the legitimisation of gotta go fast is a specific pet peeve of mine
when’s Tom jumper theory happening
Yeah, it's just 1:1.
will 4 have a character that likes hole
Like I don’t even mind the references but the fact that he’s never actually said it once in canon content
metal sonic's chest has a giant hole in it 
Unless it’s happened recently idk
well he said it in prime and thats canon
But yeah I do love they don't focus too much on Shadow being the ultimate life form but instead a different styled of making him extremely strong by utilizing chaos energy
its only a matter of time
Plus it's cringe as shit. And not in a good way
It's a very good to differ both Game Shadow and Movie Shadow
wasnt that not until, like, the very end
I refuse to consider prime canon despite what they say tbh
Helps that he doesn't really immediately use chaos control
Movie Metal Sonic is very very close to modern metal sonic, It even has that mono eye design
This phrase was always cool.
Sorry, I have to say it.
Prime being canon is def just a marketing excuse to get anyone that isn't 5 years old to watch the show
^
i mean obv
Last I checked he said it at least in 2
He said it in the first
the masses didnt know it was canon until like a week or two after release lmfao
I don't think Prime it was ever intended to be officially canon since it has too many moments where it's bit too convoluted over game series
And in the test footage/marketing teaser
Hell it was the first thing he said in the teaser for movie 1
So by definition it is pretty much a catchphrase in the movies lmao
I think it was probably developed as a separate thing and then shoehorned into a canon thing later when Sega did all the restructuring
this information was in obscure articles and lore team statements that people only started paying attention to after s1 was already out 😭
Which is how you end up with stuff like the two bullies from origins in there
the best way to market to people is to do something specifically for marketing and then never acknowledge that tidbit in any of the marketing that actually matters
Yeah basically
ian's lore consulting was ignored but the prime writers followed iizuka's direction for shadow
Primes one of those things like 06 where it doesn’t really matter if it’s canon cos it retcons itself out anyways
this makes more logistical sense
It's literally 06 in terms of writing 💀
see you at crossworlds
flynn said this too but everybody was (and still is) mad about it 🗿

hey thats disrespectful to 06
just can’t get myself made up abt it
it was actually telling good stories in it
I hated 06 writing tbf
06 atleast had Mephiles
Literal concrete proof that Shadow is the most important character.
Prime ain't got shit
prime is vapid and is worth NOTHING
it’s a car game why would I be thinking abt plot 😭😭
big the cat is in sonic prime
big the cat is not in sonic 06
no value whatsoever
You won't, but SEGA might
test my friendship teamwork engine.....
Tika wore the poster shirt in the forest scene btw
we got pele and hatsun in 06
Let's also count SA2, because it's the general truth.
in prime, we got jackseptic and valkyrae as guest roles
I love SA2 Shadow but no
Yes really.
Okay then other sonic chars are trash
Shadow carried SA2.
Smh.
SA2 has the best story in the games by far
But I can say one thing
I really enjoyed sonic 3.
Wish there was less gerald
SA2 Amy > Prime Amy in general
real
Like dude
I need bratty Amy back
The forest is the most beautiful place om earth
It doesn't mean the rest wasn't good, I simply think Shadow carried it one way or another.
Amy in SA2 barely did much and yet she is a far better char than anything in prime lmao
all this talk about prime is making me lowkey contemplate rewatching it (person who still hasnt finished sonic x)
Not really pin
No
When I mean by one char carried
Big isn't even good in Prime. No funny voice, his mouth is disgusting, why does his jaw look like that his lip sync is scary that isn't Big it is a fraud
I mean like the other chars are either underwhelming or just straight up ass
im sure hatewatching prime would be a worse experience than hatewatching x
SA2? You seriously wanted me to say Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman, Rouge, and even Amy are ass too?

ESPECIALLY Eggman!?
okay but at least prime's fight scenes are actually good 
Still a bad take
All 2 of em
Wait, but Prime Amy was one of the few characters besides Shadow that actually had interesting moments.
Hatewatching shows is cringe
Where's this Prime Amy slander coming from?
Just watch them normally
i do think there are things to like in prime so its not a hatewatch per say
Or don't watch at all
Okay I never really "hate" Prime Amy lmao. They are just okayish
who gives a fuck about fights if you dont care about the context behind it. its not different than smashing action figures together when ur a toddler
i ended up liking aspects of X too
There are some few parts I like over Prime, but season 3 is just dogshit
prime has good animation. cool. its ass in every other way so who cares
I hate prime amy cuz shes pribably the worst portrayal of amy ever
At least i have the bottom line so no matter what movie amy will be better
Prime is the absolute mindless content for the sake of content
When we say Prime Amy, are we specifically talking about the original dimension Amy?
Seeing Sonic going into a squash and stretch homing attack ball and staying on smears for key actions for way too long on repeat for the 40th time during "season 3"
And thats all her personality
Hmm.
in retrospect its so funny how much of a trainwreck 1c was
it shouldve arguably been the easiest job in the world to stick this landing
truth be told I was more of mix over season 1
Season 2 has some episode i almost like
oh yeah the fight choreography gets boring as shit as well
damn even the fights becomes ass as well 💀 \
season 1b (or s2) was my favourite from what i remember
main reason being that sonic acted more like i wanted him to for the entire show
PRIME HAS NOTHING OF VALUE DESPITE BEING A FOUR HOUR LONG SHOW
I’ve still not watched 1c lol
You could watch something better
obviously he wasnt perfect per say but he was far more tolerable
which made the appearance of Prism Sonic all the more annoying
hate that mf
LIKE THE ONGOING DC SERIES CREATURE COMMANDOS, NEW EPISODES EVERY THURSDAY
never give Metals voices ever again
HOW DID I WATCH PRIME MULTIPLE TIMES BUT STILL HAVENT WATCH X SUBBED
WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME
into the magma you go..

I'm a fucking fraud bro
guess you could call it a Hedgehog's Dilemna (this isnt a accurate use of the term)
Every Sonic show is kind of lame.
Boom's lame for different reasons
Boom does it's job fine
boom is funny and thats all i need from it
I haven't been able to watch it, so I actually can't judge it.
but like as a sonic tv show, a tv show you watch to see the sonic cast doing shit
it uhhhh
its a little laaaaaame
I'd say Knuckles would be an exception, but that's not even a Sonic show.
if youre watching boom as a traditional sonic show, you're going to be disappointed
i still wouldnt call it the best sonic show though
I ain't going to bother watching the 90s sonic shows if I have 0 nostalgia
Wait.
I did not liked watching Sonic X. I didn't liked watching Prime. Boom is not something I'll watch all the time
i could see revisiting the rock opera segment cause its so insane and creative but outside of that its so run of the mill
The one with Sonic Says is probably fine.
Why exactly are all the Sonic shows pretty universally mid 😭 you would think after three decades we could have one good one
god
There's still peak
people think satam is peak but its furry gi joe or whatever
I mostly find it lame because of where the series itself has been
Like, Boom was supposed to be essentially a replacement to what was before, at least to an extent
They only like it for their furry waifu bait
the things i find value in from satam is everything that was done better in archie, which's greatest years were under flynn's pen, so in other words im not as connected to the source of the freedom fighters as i probably should
i certainly see the appeal in satam! god do i wish it actually felt like a sonic series though
like jesus christ everything's so fucking drab and dull
it was never meant to be sonic anyway
and nobody wouldve gaf if it didnt have the sonic branding on it to be so fr
If I hear someone say their fav Sonic character is sally or a similar character, I should have free reign to dismember their body
even if i believed this (i dont) it doesnt really matter
ask them what incarnation of sally first
No
Sally's design always..... look so wrong to me I have to be real
Any fall under the umbrella
She just looks way too unfitting for this series
All must be eradicated
Like why the hell she has no gloves, no dress, and having a human face?
TFW she's the one big female character to not follow the design standards.
Long John Baldry was too good for this franchise
She looks so weird
sally looked a little weird initially but i did like how later archie adapted her (post-yardley, post reboot, etc)
Freedom Fighters are so ass and I'm not even a JP purist or any dumb shit like that. I just know what's slop or not
She looks like an anthro character from a different series
Like he did such a good job
Honestly yeah her most recent design is the best of the bunch
sally was obv furry bait
She looks far more natural compared to her past design
But what's worse for me when I found out about Sally's purpose
Then I check it out more and found out she is meant to be "Sonic's girlfriend"
And I am just like......
".......oh"
Asshole alert: cuz if he did he would defend it as the best thing from the franchise
trying to redesign sally to fit the sonic series is like try to shove a huge block into a small hole
thats wild
i mean it worked out for the most part
Her and Sonic standing side by side in SATAM always looks so weird bc hes so cartoony and she's so... human in a fursuit
oh this look is pretty cool too
I should actually watch SatAM
i like the little stars on her shoes
i remember watching satam and didnt found it anything special
maybe I'll become the strongest SatAM soldier, who knows
This really makes her naturally appear like a Sonic character.
SATAM never aired on my area back then so rip lmao
Eh the fact that she has realistic hair still doesn't look right to me, it's like someone slapped a wig on her
Satam has good parts
one day i will eventually watch both seasons of satam and itll probably be very draining
Ye
but hey the show's not that long right? so when the day comes when i cant push it off anymore im sure itll be fine
The premise is infinitely more interesting than the actual show will ever be
Im sorry, someone had to say it
Can't believe the Sonic franchise has wasted the "what if Eggman won" premise like twice now
Third times the charm?
Really fits the bad timeline well lmao
Sonic CD is the only time it kinda worked but the bad futures ain't even canon
Prime was the third time with New Yoke
And that ended up being bland as fuck, woohoo
Note this was back then
Didn't help with fucking sonic 4 episode 2 LMAO
"Hey let's just casually show bad future. YAY!"
I think Sonic may have traveled to the Bad Future a couple times in CD. Makes enough sense if he saw how bad things would get. He would get the Time Stone and destroy the Generators and Holograms
Honey's over there.
I mean I guess since the time eater has power over all of time maybe that means it could access alternate timelines or something?
She also gets complaints from that.
The same way it could access history that had been erased, with sonic 06
Sonic characters with human hair is a weird case.
Yeah Time Eater does whatever the fuck it wants
i mean it clearly can if crisis city and mephiles can pop up
Casually bringing back Mephiles, Crisis City, Maria, and Gerald lmao
Oh and just immediately giving us perfect chaos
Yeah, it can't.
I mean can.
but man......
I wish Time Eater wasn't stuck in 2010s writing I have to be real
Like concept wise, Time Eater is legit cool
That also means Sonic Prime could be brought at any time, but I don't think certain people would accept that.
But forever a compelte wasted boss
oh yeah this year the "time eater = mephiles?" theory was taken out back and shot
rip
id be fine with it as long as it doesnt play out the exact way as it does in the show
like a version of prime happened but its with the game cast
literally all u need to do
I feel like Ian would have if..... gens wasn't stuck in 2010 writing
limpdick canon
They should unironically just do that.
I mean if the time eater was just completely eliminated then could that not leave room for some other entity?
Doesn't help that Time Eater is another monster of the week
So the potential is already dead
😔
Altho what we get over Mephiles is still just as cool
Obviously of course
It's just another monster of the week anyways
Just have 0 purpose coming back
hi guys
Mephiles does kind of exist now that Shadow encountered him.
Well again that doesn't mean we can't explore the concept of some time related entity or god
He is remembered by one person.
Oh yeah true
So if they are going to do time related again it'll be obviously a different god like creature
hi guy
sure they can make some other time based entitiy and maybe tie connections to the time eater to it
If silver was gonna have a rival then I'd rather it be something like that
Instead of 'oh its another eggman.'
I'm not sure I want a full-blown villain dedicated to time travelling.
Nah doesn't have to be like that
Like he's fine sure but it's so BORING
Just something similar to Solaris and Time Eater
I think The End would fit into that criteria, kind of.
maybe????
Not really
It doesn't have the time travelling shenanigans, but it has lived and watched time pass for a long time.
I mean that's just something that's fckin old
Like any of the other giant behemoth monsters of the week
too bad the end also dead
Which honestly I don't mind either lmao
dead as hell
Why did they have to kill the end off....
and was trapped in cyberspace for a long time
that's legitimately one of my biggest gripes with Frontiers' story
You can see it watching Sonic and the gang from afar in Superstars, which is honestly pretty cool.
that wasnt the end
it was in cyberspace
its beein in cyberspace
for all these years
I mean...it could be one of the ends avatars though
Okay, let's go with a conveniently purple-coloured normal moon then!
And like, the consciousness is the thing that was sealed away or something.
art designers just wanted to have some nice looking background elements and people lost their shit
It had the ability to switch avatars in base frontiers when it went from supreme to its 'moon' form. which side note, the form doesn't change from character to character.
Even though everyone in theory sees something different
i think some characters refer to it by different pronouns iirc
the end being gender fluid we stan
They're friends.
I guess it does have a male and female layer to its voice when it reveals its true nature
Yeah see now that looks like the exact same fckin model from frontiers.
(and it most likely is)
Yeah that's why I can't fault anyone thinking it is The End
Reused asset moment.
If they wanted to make it appear more normal, they could've changed the texture.
Surely they have plentyyyyy of other moon assets. hell they didn't even NEED the moon in the background
But nope, that's The End.
But I can still treat it as "unconcious" honestly
Where The End was never awaken until Frontiers events
Seriously though I kinda have my fingers crossed that it'll come back
But I guess you can treat the "blue" moon as the actual moon before it gets shot in half 💀
It'd be fun to have an 'overarching villain' in select games (which would also help show it off as an actual threat compared to all the other monsters of the week)
Eggman Nega was like that for the Rush and Rivals games
like sure they can say it's more powerful than dark gaia or whatever but I wanna SEE that
Oh yeah, this is still the movie channel.
oh yeah
I blame everybody else.
cant wait for the honeymoon phase to be over with 3
actually, where is the general discussion for sonic games now?
if there even is a thread for that
just #sonic-lobby
#sonic-lobby
damn somehow I didn't have that in the channel list ._.
What honey moon phase
Of the movie?
Lol thats basically expecting people to actually learn to dislike it
can’t wait until i fucking hate this movie
cant wait till its socially acceptable to dislike it
perhaps
Like of course people can criticize the movie later for it's issues but
That doesn't make many will dislike it
cowards
hate on it during the honeymoon phase
Go back to hating classic
actually nvm,
It's dead

i can hate many things at the same time
don't you know me well by now
damn u right but then you'll get more flack during that and nobody needs to put up with that
pepito's right tbh. If you want to be a true hater, you hate no matter what.
i wanna hate when its convenient
That was so unneded to say, socially acceptable, is not.like movie dislikes are a minority 😭
the most oppressed group of people: sonic movie haters
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alr this is getting out of my range of expertise
(i say this with the most dorky ass smirk being the liar that i am)
What a shot
What it could've been
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@kananispunk "I wanted moon piss but i got doomed yaoi" - me walking out of the theater
"I'll miss your lattes with steamed Austrian goat milk. I love the way you make 'em!"
To think they made an emotional moment out of a call-out/reference to movie 1
and it hit so hard for me, I felt so bad for Eggman and Stone
the movie franchise was pretty much sent out to die, and yet it was still able to defy the odds this much
we truly are in the good future
Sonic is a strangely investing franchise
why else would we be at each others throats for this fucker?
something about Sonic makes people passionate
Still thinking about how wild it is Stone went from essentially just existing to set up eggman’s rock jokes on the mushroom planet in 1 to actually having a full-on shared character arc with eggman in 3
like, upon rewatching 1 he’s barely in it lol, has a couple scenes and then completely disappears for the last third
Agent Stone is one of the best characters of the entire series
The glow-up he has with each movie needs to be studied
lowkey Eggman's best lackey
easily the best original thing from the movies
like, even the people who hate the direction of these films have nowt to say against him lol
they took the tried and true eggman lackey formula and went “yes but what if he was actually really really into eggman like carnally”
I think he’s the only eggman lackey that doesn’t hate his ass??
If we don't count Sage as one, yeah
he's one of the few that actually makes sense to have around
Stone legitimately admires and loves Eggman no matter what
Sage I don't count as just another lackey cause that's basically his daughter plus he gave her access to the whole ass eggnet
True, though she also fills a different role of family at the same time so it makes the vibe a bit different
(stone could’ve been family!! he just needed to propose first, bless his soul)
But yeah orbot and cubot just get on his nerves, as do scratch and grounder. then Snively is just...snively. but Stone adores the man, fuels his ego and even bounces the occasional idea off of him.
series full of rings and he couldn’t grab one and get down on one knee smh smh
Also does lattes for him with full love and care
of all the lackeys across media he's one of the few where I don't think "why does eggman keep him around"
By far
Stone is the only lackey I still say Eggman should fully stick with
Starline wishes he is him
With Stone I think a factor is that they make sure that his devotion is both genuine and grounded
like he isn't insane or anything, he is just a guy who adores Eggman but never goes too far with it
He feels both super devoted and yet grounded in said devotion
Plus he isn't a robot either
Even just by having Stone specifically by Eggmans side it says alot
cause usually eggman only loves machines or himself. The man doesn't really give a toss about humanity
ME TOO GRAAAAH
If there is one characters that deserves to be in the games is Stone
shoutout to the deleted scene from sonic 2 where he almost yells out "MOTHERFUCKER"
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Saaaaaaaame man!
Having Eggman with Metal Sonic, Sage, Cubot and Orbit, and Stone will be peak

Like you got the perfect dynamic for the eggman empire
s04e07 Marge Gets A Job
Agent Stone is basically the Snively of the movie universe
Need this reanimated with Stone and Robotnik
Don't you dare compare Stone to that piece of filth
^
Im talking about having an assistant, because in the games, The two robots fill that space
Stone blows snively out of the water
They're nothing alike aside by being henchmen but Eggman has had many
If anything, Stone is closer to early issues with Doctor Starline
Starline but a true lackey
Stone is the best henchmen period
fr
No one compares
why did gamesradar put the amy interview out so early
its not even out in half the world yet 
Gotta get clicks
Stone is actually really likable and not stupid
Clicks alone
and i just spoiled someone right here already because of it 😭😭😭😭😭
But yeah Stone is a tier of his own when it comes to henchman
Strike while the iron is hot, fuck the masses who haven't seen it
Ian Flynn I beg you to find a way to get this guy in the games
PLEASE
PLEASE
Make Agent Stone canon in the games
Stone for Frontiers 2
I think it'd be funny to see his dynamic with Sage
YES!
BRO YOU ARE SEEING THE POTENTIAL
Imagine the crazy dynamic with metal, sage, cubot and orbot, and stone
Eggman has both Sage and Metal Sonic, So they are basically his children
Like after sage hes actually willimg to find someone who will obey him
(Side note I don't hate Orbot & Cubot but...why are they around again?)
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Because you need your bumbling henchmen
I get to us they're comic relief but that ain't the question
They have never helped Eggman once beyond failing in Colors
Ok so it isn't...controversial to say I wouldn't mind them being gone?
Unleashed, proto-orbot atleast seemed to have been essentially a strategist/analysis specialist for Eggman to keep him updated with progress on his plans and Sonic's current whereabouts
I barely care much about them, but it's too late to just remove them
At least Orbot and Cubot are not like Scratch and Grounder
Not really I dont think :) they aren't for everyone, just kinda silly guys
especially considering the era they come from and the single purpose they serve
Not so say that this franchise can't be silly, a balance is important but do they really fit the direction things seem to be heading in?
Thats a good point
Even so I'll say their fine now due to metal sonic and sage
Is fine to keep the comoc relief lackeys
But i like how stone is so different any other one
Hes not a comic relief hes just a human
Some random agent guy
fr and I really love it
He stands out perfectly
He can even be a major factor to help out Eggman due to being an agent
He's very grounded, yeah.
Like he's just a guy who has a genuine devotion for the doctor
He isn't over the top or incompetent, he does his work and does it because he likes it
essentially, the straight man. In a narrative sense anyway
Plus we are finally in that era where they are actually utilizing humans
So this gives us greater possibility to expand more than just GUNs, Maria, and Gerald
Hopefully new games can build upon this with proper towns and NPCs again
Yes! I love the direction they're going in regarding humans
Which granted they seem to be heading toward if frontiers and shadow gens is anything to go by
The movies had made it easier for Sonic Team to return to the humans because they see that people have mayorly liked them
Specially Stone and Tom
Like those two specifically being the stand-outs of the bunch, but mainly stone
Really shows the huge reception between back then and now over humans
10 years ago, humans WOULD have sparked riots
Thank you sonic movie for saving this franchise

It's still crazy that it all started with that fucked up design LMAO
They really did give the franchise a boost 😭 i think that's awesome
An actual boost
Arguably started its renaissance
I never seen this kind of non game series having a huge push and remain positive
It's legit crazy how far the movies has grown
from a little road trip movie
to one hella of an avengers-level movie
(in terms of general scope and stakes)
And now we are getting a complete different direction of both amy and metal
NAH

Last wish? I cannot disagree, that one cooked the hell of the movie
The first one? Eh :v

But yeah I am very looking forward see what they'll bring to the table with sonic 4 movie. But i hope in terms of buildup, they'll do Chaos next 
I look forward to it as well
I want to see what they cook with Amy
she is so adorable
I adore her look
Amy's design did grew on me. At first I was like, "okay why she looks so different?"
Hug!
But now I am liking her a lot more now
But PLEASE have the outfit good
That's all I want

For sure yeah
Metal is just 1:1 and that was amazing
a bit more detailed but 1:1
he's probably the most faithful translation of the games to the movies
I also like how Amy's hammer behaved
they definetely took some cues from Mjolnir's of the MCU (in terms of how it attacks)
It makes her Piko Piko more versatile
I do find it quite interesting is that they tone down the size over the hammer which I can get
But at the same time it's quite a direction
It's an interesting direction for sure
Also
"If you're going to attack the fastest creature in the universe, you better not miss"
Raw line

how so?
the way it was anticlimatic
you had one of the rawest moments in sonic history, all media included
Another thing that I loved is Super Shadow's aesthetic
interrupted by the robotniks battle
they went for some Rose Gold taint to his fur and the pinkish aura, it makes him stand out so much more
I think the words you're looking for are tonal whiplash
yeah... the robotnik thing is funny but very strange tonal clash
i also went in expecting a wholly super sonic & super shadow thing mimicking sa2
It's funny in isolation but I still think it just doesn't work within the context of the film
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