#[SPOILERS] Sonic Movie 3

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pale basin
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It feels like they are closely making chaos energy even more of a dangerous factor

grim cedar
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It will get to the point, He copied so much, That he becomes self aware

pale basin
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With Sonic inherit it, then Knuckles, and then Shadow that is literal chaos energy, and now metal sonic

grim cedar
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Amy's Hammer will have some of that energy, and she is the only one that can wield it

pale basin
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most likely for sure

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SImilar to like Tails in a way

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which ngl I really do love it

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It's a clever way and simple way to explain each of the sonic chars' abilities

nocturne falcon
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at the same time that completely undermines the other female sonic characters

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mainly blaze

atomic sinew
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They can all be badass together

pale basin
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Yeah

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Just their own reasons

split agate
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one character being badass doesn’t make the others less badass

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it’s not a pie chart

atomic sinew
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It'll just be the Sonic Silver Shadow thing but Amy Blaze and Rouge

nocturne falcon
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I mean...sure but like Amy isn't badass because she's WOAH superpowered like the rest of the characters

atomic sinew
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She is here sooooo

pale basin
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Yeah we are not trying to dismiss Rouge and Blaze

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It's just that well Amy literally appeared in the movie for now

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We just haven't seen Rouge nor Blaze yet

grim cedar
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Every character has some kind of Superpower, Even Blaze

nocturne falcon
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Like I'm open to see how THEY handle it for sure but I'm not sold yet

pale basin
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I'm pretty sure they'll write Amy just like they wrote Peach lmao: does everything better than the MC, more badass, better jokes, and so on

atomic sinew
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It's the people pleasing option

pale basin
nocturne falcon
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God if this bleeds over into the games...

pale basin
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I will fucking guarantee that

pale basin
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If they wrote such a "caricatural" main character

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The first important female character will also be

grim cedar
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I think they are gonna change the whole dynamic between Sonic and Amy, Its gonna be Sonic that is wowed by her this time, He will probably get some advance from Tom on how to aproach a girl or something to that affect.

pale basin
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Feels like there is nothing between the useless damsel in distress and the badass girlboss

nocturne falcon
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In hollywood big blockbuster movies? there really isn't

grim cedar
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You saw how Sonic reacted to Shadow when they first meet, Meeting another person that looks like him, But now with Amy, Its the first time he meets a girl hedgehog

atomic sinew
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I mean "born yesterday" as a trope exists, so eh

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Half and half

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But it's so binary lmfao

nocturne falcon
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that's arguably worse in some ways

pale basin
atomic sinew
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It is lol

solid bobcat
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i hope characters get more powers in future

nocturne falcon
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or, maybe it's unnecessary to worry. maybe she'll be pretty good (totally not delusion)

solid bobcat
true heron
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They did fine with shadow sonicshrug2

pale basin
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The Deleter is typing...

nocturne falcon
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Yeah but this is a female character in a big blockbuster movie

atomic sinew
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I mean Amy being badass is just as good as Shadow being the way he is in the movie

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Fans just will reject it

pale basin
atomic sinew
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Shadow in the movie is the people pleasing option, and I'm glad it exists

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Because the direction the story takes is so pointedly different from how the game does it

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The lessons learned, the aspects of the characters that are emphasized

nocturne falcon
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I mean that's more backstory, this is about the characters themselves.

atomic sinew
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Nah the characters too

true heron
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They didn't

solid bobcat
true heron
nocturne falcon
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At what point do the characters stop being themselves??? If you strip away the stuff that makes amy rose 'amy', the traits at her core then, is that even amy anymore? Sure you can have different takes on a character but you have to do it with care

pale basin
atomic sinew
solid bobcat
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If they are going where i think they are going with that meteor, they need to do he cool thing

true heron
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And amy being a girl boss is the people pleasing option you think ?

solid bobcat
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"What if darksied was superman's dad" is crazy , but i need it

atomic sinew
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That's like fearing Amy would be written as Sonic X or Battle amy for some reason

atomic sinew
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100%

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There are more people than the isolated shouts of the fandom

true heron
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I don't really see it fairnuff

nocturne falcon
solid bobcat
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that's not my fear

pale basin
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Battle Amy
Great moments

solid bobcat
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my fear is awfwafina

pale basin
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Be fr man

true heron
nocturne falcon
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ok fine just X

solid bobcat
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its real

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its tangible

pale basin
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that's better

atomic sinew
kind scarab
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Im down for Anna Kendrick or for Kimiko Glenn

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TIME TO MANIFEST IT

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LIKE KEANU

nocturne falcon
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Point is, again I'd argue Amy is a trickier one to handle

atomic sinew
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They were never going to write Shadow like sasuke lol

kind scarab
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Good

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Fuck sasuke

atomic sinew
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Henry do you even know sasuke vecort

solid bobcat
atomic sinew
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That's the same as saying Amy would be written like Battle Amy

atomic sinew
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Where I am in Naruto I don't see it

pale basin
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Well, Shadow was written like a dark sasuke in the 2010s tho, when his past wasn't involved

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Sasuke as Shadow is not something I'll like at all either

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I already watched enough Naruto and......

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yeah no

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They must've taken great care to tell it properly

pale basin
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Sasuke just doesn't work for Shadow

solid bobcat
pale basin
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Yeah

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They're not the same

solid bobcat
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i don't wanna spoil you

pale basin
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Still better than vegeta comparison but anyways

solid bobcat
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Sasuke is however maybe the most morally correct individual in the entirety of the manga,

true heron
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It's henry

true heron
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Of course he doesn't

slate gate
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Akwafina time

nocturne falcon
pale basin
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Agreed

atomic sinew
solid bobcat
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I would 100% take cyclops shadow

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that sounds crazy

kind scarab
pale basin
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a female character in an action movie that isn't badass/a girlboss would just be seen as weak noawadays lmao

nocturne falcon
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Shadow has had flanderisation, sure. But that's never been in a game where it's all that starkly present

slate gate
kind scarab
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Legit.i domt care about her She just doesnt SOUND LIKE AMY

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AT ALL

nocturne falcon
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In the games he IS starkly present for, i.e. SA2, Shadow the hedgehog and 06, there's a strong sense of who he actually his. his motivations and all that stuff

kind scarab
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I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER UNLIKE SOME FREAKS OM THE INTERNET

pale basin
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Nah fuck the idea of akwafina

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She is a garbage choice

nocturne falcon
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and it helps that some of the people on the movies actually worked on shadow 2005

solid bobcat
atomic sinew
kind scarab
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I love Lola Bunny's voice actress from Looney Tunes Shoe

kind scarab
atomic sinew
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But to the point, think about what this movie did with the chars

pale basin
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No way they'd get an unfitting voice actor for a Sonic character, even if it's just for a movie! Not even talking about the MC of the main medium! :p

atomic sinew
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And then think back to his first story

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Think about whether they emphasized the same points

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What was the purpose of the story

solid bobcat
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characters desperately trying to be "cool" but in a " caricature kinda way"

split agate
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I could see Iman Vellani as Amy

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she’s got the energy

atomic sinew
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What was the core dilemma they faced

nocturne falcon
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It still feels infinitely more consistent than Amy

kind scarab
solid bobcat
kind scarab
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Or else.you just give Anna Taylor Joy the role to amy anyways

split agate
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I don’t think anyone has the pitch unless they voice in anime dubs I’ll be real 😭😭

solid bobcat
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they made animated curb/always sunny for kids

atomic sinew
kind scarab
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THEN DO THAT

solid bobcat
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sad it got canned

nocturne falcon
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who went from damsel, to being competent but still with her crush, to a background character, to OHMIGODILOVESONIC (flanderised era) to girlboss in boom and now 'girl character that likes tarot cards.'

kind scarab
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to be fair Anna Kendrick sounds likw Amy normally LOL

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and she just voice acted once

pale basin
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it'll be scarlett johansonn

nocturne falcon
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(actually, maybe not being the fairest to Frontiers but, still not huge on the arc there tbh)

kind scarab
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LOL THATS JUST AMY

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Sorry but thats amy rose pitch

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She also sounds kinda like a valley girl which works too

true heron
pale basin
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it'll be ariana grande

kind scarab
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It depends on direction, ofc

kind scarab
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Anyone could

wind trout
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(Sorry if that’s not how u spell the name)

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Tho yea she is a pretty good actress for Lola, and her deliveries were pretty good

wind trout
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ok yea I love this one

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get her in the recording booth stat

pale basin
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she's gonna have more of a deep voice

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hailee steinfeld

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Big shouldn't be any problem at least. Rouge tho

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Has to be mainly shadow

kind scarab
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With Rogue the Bat, things are somehow more depressing. The writing duo says they’ve looked for ways to include Rouge in all 3 Sonic films so far, but haven’t been able to make it happen. Well, at least it’s not for a lack of trying! Let’s hope the fourth time’s the charm

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In all 3??

grim cedar
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It shouldn't be too hard to include Rouge in a future movie, Her specialty is that she's really good at stealing stuff, So she could be used as someone that can pull of daring heists.

void stream
hard spoke
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the secret Crush 40 shadow drop (kind of) ((not really cause its just the vocalist but close enough))

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(((and also it was a year ago so like its not even a shadow drop but i heard not a lot of people talking about it so im treating it as a sh-)))

grim cedar
hard spoke
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woah

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pretty :o

wind trout
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God I can’t wait until 3 comes to digital

wind trout
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Also can we please talk about how Shadow somehow managed to effortlessly harness emerald energy on his FIRST USING

atomic sinew
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Illumination watching Paramount forget their hold on capitalism that used to equally match in marketing:

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Honestly between these and TFO's marketing stunts they seem to be hedging their bets primarily on social media, which you'd think would be just as good as making brand deals to slap the logos across mountain dew bottles and lunchables, but it really isn't

split agate
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is this a… spoiler?

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also dunno if it was just my screening but was anyone else’s screening dead quiet during the Tom puppet bits

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completely D.O.A joke lmao

wind trout
lime silo
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Audience at my screening laughed when the puppet came in

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Admittedly him screwing with Maddie got me chuckling

“I told you to get rid of it, it’s creepy.”

“Funny, I told him to get rid of you!”

olive rivet
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I chuckled at that one

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I also just think the puppet is goofy

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it comes completely out of nowhere

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it also calls into question how long sonic and co were gone for

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because that scene really gives the impression they were gone for a long time, hence all the various hobbies that tom and maddie picked up

lime silo
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Yeah, must’ve been a pretty long while if it they legit did all that stuff

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Unless it was stuff they planned to do anyway and took the opportunity

olive rivet
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the only reason I don't think that's necessarily the case is because when they decide to take part in the plan, they mention how bored they were

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it's something that I find weird now that I'm really thinking about it since they couldn't have been gone for more than a month i'd wager

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honestly, probably not more than a couple days all things considered

tall linden
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tbh it not being that long just makes it funnier

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like the "five minutes" joke in toy story 2

olive rivet
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maybe i'm thinking about it too hard lol

lime silo
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Yeah, it’s one of those things that doesn’t make a whooooole lot of sense when you stop to think about it

But it’s just there for the sake of silliness

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Plus there’s something humorously charming about them legit finding domestic bliss boring now that they’ve been raising super powered kids

pale basin
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Bro fucking pulled a prophecy

kind scarab
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I do find funny how people just guessed amy with a hoodie or cape

pale basin
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Ikr lmao

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Like to them it was just a fun little idea

hybrid mirage
solid bobcat
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Looking at peoples reviews of the film
And oh yeah, sonic and co never really learn the whole truth with gun huh

I feel like, when the hype dies down that might be a huge area for critique

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I thought the puppet thing was fine

pale basin
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I get the feeling in sonic 4 movie they'll fully know who they really are after with Shadow

hybrid mirage
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Honestly would be a kinda wacky twist if GUN's behind the Metal Sonics

grim cedar
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Amy showing up was inevitable

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With her and Metal Sonic, They now completed the 2D era

hybrid mirage
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The Robotniks didn't have enough time to produce them and if Ivo wanted them to be used he would've sent them himself pronto.

pale basin
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yeah

solid bobcat
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I feel like, maybe that should have been in this one. But thats post mcu film i guess

solid bobcat
hybrid mirage
# hybrid mirage The Robotniks didn't have enough time to produce them and if Ivo wanted them to ...

Plus they don't use his color scheme and design philosophies of the film Badniks. GUN still has their vendetta against Sonic and can definitely speculate that Sonic knows what they've done (Experimenting on Shadow, responsible for Maria's death, exploiting Gerald to create the Eclipse Cannon to be used by GUN, etc.) so why not just make something capable of keeping up and blasting him to high hell

pale basin
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Which esentially multiple metal sonics

hybrid mirage
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It even uses energy weapons

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Robotnik never had that

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He used bullets and ballistics

pale basin
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Another thing I notice is the energy color metal sonic has

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It's nearly similar to Shadow's

hybrid mirage
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Yea, possibly using leftover Chaos Energy they had intact

pale basin
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Most likely the case yeah

hybrid mirage
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GUN becoming the big bad after the sacrifice of Robotnik would be the coolest shit

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Fuck the government

pale basin
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Honestly yeah. This is the perfect opportunity to make GUN the main villains

grim cedar
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I think moving forward, The rest of the movies following 4 will take from the 3D era

split agate
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I could see it being a time travel thing somehow as a throwback to cd - Amy’s from a very near future with lotsa metals about, they’ve gotta nip it in the bud now to stop that future happening

hybrid mirage
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I'mma be honest I do not want Time Travel shenanigans in these movies

split agate
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I think it can work if they keep it v v self-contained

grim cedar
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If they do Time Travel, They gotta do the time stones, But its gonna be another situation like the Chaos Emeralds, Should they repeat the whole concept of magical items again?

wind trout
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Good morning

hybrid mirage
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You don't need to use Time Stones

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Just have a literal time machine

split agate
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Sonic causibg longclaw’s death? Idk

hybrid mirage
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Or have the energy of the Emeralds be able to travel through time like...06..oh god nvm me no want silver

pale basin
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Welcome to silver hype LMAO

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Bro is literal time travel the char

wind trout
grim cedar
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The rings are used to teleport to other places, The person who has a ring just needs to think where they want to be, and the Ring takes you at the location, What if you wanted to go back in time, Couldn't the ring just take you to whatever time you think of?

wind trout
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Nah I think it’s exclusive to only locations

hybrid mirage
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The Echidnas tracked down Sonic and that led them to Longclaw iirc

pale basin
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Silver being the cause won't work honestly

grim cedar
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The thing we have to take into account, Is this universe is very grounded, So non of the more crazy stuff would get adapted, To make time travel truly possible, It would take somebody from a very far distant future to come up with some device.

split agate
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it’s gonna be a back to the future riff isn’t it

split agate
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(granted like, that’s exactly what time travel was in cd with the signposts lol)

grim cedar
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If they do time travel, I can already picture parody posters of BTTF.

wind trout
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what the hell😭

grim cedar
hybrid mirage
grim cedar
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They can pull a back to the future of running at a certain speed to time travel

pale basin
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Also they can just ignore time travel in CD instead just only introducing the chars

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like how Tails was in Sonic 2 movie

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So it's possible they may scratch it off too

grim cedar
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Sonic doesn't need to run at 88MPH just to time travel, He would have to run at the speed of light

pale basin
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Again there may be a chance they'll ignore time travel just for Amy and Metal Sonic, tiger

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While having the time travel related only to Silver

split agate
pale basin
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Of course

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I am just only saying it as a possibilty Kek

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There is like many other options they can pull this off

split agate
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(also “sonic, tails and knux get zapped through time” gives em extra chance to leave out Tom & co lol)

grim cedar
split agate
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oh god ugh no absolutely not

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do not need a non-carrey doing carrey gurning impressions

grim cedar
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The only time travel they can possibly do, Is the terminator style

grand kiln
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Young Sheldon Robotnik 😭😭

split agate
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death knell if they do that while not actually getting back carrey lol

grand kiln
pale basin
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........yeah fuck that

split agate
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same

hybrid mirage
grand kiln
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Yeah idk time travel four movies in feels a bit like shark jumping to me

nocturne falcon
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Hence, movie 6.

pale basin
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But if they wanted to go hard in over time travel it's really just Silver can capatalize it

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Amy and Metal Sonic however you can easily ignore that too since outside of CD they barely have anything to do with it

grim cedar
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Maybe Metal Sonic has taken over the future

hybrid mirage
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Ughhhhh

split agate
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was thinking about things more and like

hybrid mirage
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Be creative

split agate
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I wonder if they’re anti-far-from-home-ing it

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that broadcast eggman did addressing stone, that was worldwide right

grim cedar
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Who knows, they might even do Metallix, given how we got multiple Metal Sonics.

hybrid mirage
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They won't actually do Metallix

grand kiln
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Yeah as much as I was joking about it

worn topaz
hybrid mirage
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They can if they want

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Just hard

grand kiln
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At the most it will be like mild influence

split agate
grand kiln
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Like maybe one of them is red

hybrid mirage
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But these writers got the chops to do some creative thinking

split agate
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stone gets given full reign, he makes metal sonic, shit goes off the rails

pale basin
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I don't think it'll be exactly metallix at all

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Just a small nod

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But the multiple metal sonics does give that vibe

split agate
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so it’s a race through time to stop eggman broadcasting and making himself a martyr or something

grim cedar
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I think they'll do Metal Overlord at least, Gotta have something big for them to fight at the end

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They will build up into something, and fight whatever the big bad is in the 3rd act.

split agate
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yes you’ve described most sonic media ever

grim cedar
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I think for Metal Sonic, They are gonna do the thing where he scans everyone to learn there moves, and as the movie progresses, He starts to evolve into something more powerful and dangerous.

strong basin
grim cedar
grand kiln
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I think honestly just verbatim describing “x is going to do y because that’s what they did in z” is doing these films a bit of a disservice - for their faults they’ve already demonstrated they’re not afraid of mixing things up and being creative when it comes to making characters fit into the movie universe

pale basin
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Literally the movie series are doing their own thing for a reason

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Like even sonic 3 movie even caught us by surprised like gerald somehow being alive

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It's why I said earlier it's a possibility they can ignore time travel by doing a complete different take

kind scarab
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Btw i rewatched sonic 1 and 2 yesterday

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I think i prefer 1

grim cedar
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They change so much, as having Shadow not being a genetic experiment, Where any of these characters can pop up at any time, Because they most all come from the same planet now.

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The origins of Movie Shadow is a mystery

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With that, They can pretty much come up any reason why Shadow ended up in a meteor.

olive rivet
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i mean, it's almost guaranteed that shadow was directly created by the black arms in this universe

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it even sets up black doom as the thanos of the scu

grim cedar
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Black Doom could be something that would be a perfect setup for the second trilogy

split agate
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ooooooof no thanks

grim cedar
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Black Doom would be like Movie 6

split agate
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these films are very much anti-mcu in terms of setup and I want it to stay that way

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only place I could see black doom fitting is a shadow spinoff

pale basin
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Blank doom is shadow’s villain

grim cedar
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As far as big threats are concern, I can't think of anything else other then Chaos.

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As far as something that's cataclysmic

pale basin
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It’s really just chaos for their main endgame villain really now we know how metal sonic is introduce

grim cedar
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Metal Sonic could be the start of a robot apocalypse, I do remember how Eggman had a thing of turning animals into robots, So Metal Sonic could do that.

dire ferry
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Hey y'all, if there' any specific spot/ad you want in high quality let me know. I got a whole bunch of them.

split agate
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Anyone know when the movie’s out on digital by chance

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absolutely need this thing in my veins again

feral path
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Nothing official yet. I suspect it’ll probably be early to late February.

split agate
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boooooo too far away

feral path
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For the record, other release dates for digital:

Sonic 1 - March 31st, 2020
Sonic 2 - May 24th, 2022

split agate
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doing this but for paramount

feral path
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Anywho, Sonic 3 can be pre-ordered (at least on Apple) for $24.99 USD

dire ferry
worn topaz
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...did Gerald actually shush Ivo in the movie?

void stream
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No

strong basin
hybrid mirage
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Astro already said he travelled through time

wind trout
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he travelled to mid January and got the shorts

grim cedar
true heron
grim cedar
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She could be explaining stuff, and Sonic is so distracted at what he is seeing before him.

pale basin
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Uhh h no

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I'd prefer a balanced romance

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I don't want Sonic to run after her

pale basin
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and I don't want her to run after Sonic

frozen flame
worn topaz
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See, the comparison works, but I laughed at this almost the same way I did with what was in the movie

fringe solar
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2 days.....................

vague widget
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||apparently someone pointed out metal's gimmick in sonic 4 movie might be similar from the fleetway comics||

grim cedar
grim cedar
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This just sprung up in my head, What you think of Margot Robbie as Amy?

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Her only voice acting roles were from two of the Peter Rabbit movies.

olive rivet
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with proper voice direction, it really shouldn't matter

wind trout
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I’d rather have no romance, keep that shit out

kind scarab
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You know what i think at this point

ivory grotto
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im just gonna sit back, drink a soda and enjoy the chaos
Movie Sonic and Amy's relationship will make twitter explode

grim cedar
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Im sure they are gonna bank on it, Because they know

kind scarab
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They know what

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People have garbage taste

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And even then they were able to do a great job so far

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I damn hope they just dont make sonic and amy a thing

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I can hope

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Real bad

grim cedar
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The whole dynamic between the two, They could change it up a bit, After all Amy did save Sonic this time, They are not gonna folllow the same trope

ivory grotto
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yeah

kind scarab
grim cedar
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Perhaps, But how would there first ever meeting be like, Sonic meeting not just one, But now two hedgeshogs like him, He would be quite surprise at meeting a female hedgehog.

kind scarab
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No

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Absoluely not

kind scarab
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He could be the same

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You know

ivory grotto
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I predict that movie Amy will come across as looking cooler and compatent next to Sonic

grim cedar
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I dont think this Sonic realize there are others like him, its like discovering you are not the only one of your kind, He's been with Longclaw since he was a kid, So he probably was an orphan at the time, and doesn't know there are others of his kind that exist

pale basin
kind scarab
kind scarab
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THATS movie sonic

pale basin
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I think it'd be kinda weird and out of character for sonic to specifically focus on amy being a female hedgehog

kind scarab
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God NO

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and im sure tyson would throw up if he had to do this shit

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You can just have a character and not focus on the damn gender

ivory grotto
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yeah I hope they dont have Sonic freak out over meeting a girl hedgehog
meeting a look-alike and being shocked is far more understandable

kind scarab
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Yes

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WOW ANOTHER HEDGEHOG

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wait.

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We already got that with shadow

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Lmfao

pale basin
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and we're gonna get the look a like thing again with metal

wind trout
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I’d be pretty open to Sonic inquiring Amy if there are other hedgehogs like him out there aside from Shadow

pale basin
grim cedar
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The probably know about Sonic's heroics, Besides Tails have been following his antics across the galaxy.

pale basin
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if sonic's ever gonna question a species, its gonna be if he ever sees another owl

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and is like

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where did longclaw come from

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shes a guardian of ga'hoole

grim cedar
wind trout
kind scarab
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If you want jet fans to murder jeff fowler, yes

wind trout
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😭

grim cedar
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I dont know, Longclaw is just a giant owl, but the Babylonians are anthros.

kind scarab
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Ngl live action jet might look insanely good

grim cedar
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But remember the opening of Sonic 2, Some of those people that were following Knuckles? Could they be babylonians?

pale basin
wind trout
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could be wrong though

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But then why are they so fucking tall😭

grim cedar
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These babylonians, If they are ones, Were way much taller then Knuckles

pale basin
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okay those were literally just fucking people in costumes sheeesh

grim cedar
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The comic even showed them

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in the comics they are called scavengers, So they could be humans that found all this gear.

hybrid mirage
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Not needed here

olive rivet
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it shouldn't be the entire point of the movie, but I feel like it should at least be touched on

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it wasn't really addressed in sonic 3. The parallels were pretty much just their life experiences and their response to tragic events

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didn't have much of anything to do with heritage

ivory grotto
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yeah
Sonic and Shadow question their resemblance but it gets dropped from the plot right after

grim cedar
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We'll probably get some questions about the heritage in Movie 4, Because it seems more Hedgehogs are just suddenly showing up

drifting hawk
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I don’t think I need why they’re all hedgehogs to be a plot element

olive rivet
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it's not so much why, it's about where they came from. I think it's at least worth considering

drifting hawk
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still don’t think I’d care for that

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but if they decide to and it’s done well, cool

grim cedar
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We only had a brief look at Sonic's planet in the first one, You ever wonder what happened to that place after all these years

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I think that is something they can explore in future movies.

ivory grotto
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personality I rather they dont explore hedgehog lore
keep it a mystery

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but I will be down for exploring Sonic's planet

grim cedar
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This is where they can do that in animated form

pale basin
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like there doesnt need to be like a "where all hedgehogs come from" when everyone is supposed to be aliens of some kind

undone frost
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I prefer the hedgehog backstory to be kept mysterious but I don't mind if we see cryptic details.

grim cedar
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Some of these backstories can be in spinoff shows and comic tie-ins

ivory grotto
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a part of me wonders how Black Doom can turn a black arms alien into a Sonic doppelganger before the latter was born

but I dont want that explained

grim cedar
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I just want to know why was Shadow put into a black comet with no memory

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grim cedar
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he def exists

grim cedar
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You know whats funny though, Remember that thing that was mention at the end of Knuckles about something that happened in I think 1974?

olive rivet
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king in black doom would actually be sick af if done right

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as in

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you know

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shadow having a brother could become canon

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since you know venom isnt the only guy part of his planet

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@olive rivet @grim cedar plus ||lets not forget biolizard hasnt appeared yet||

olive rivet
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yeah it did, as a joke

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i dont ||mean as an easter egg||

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perfect chaos hasnt appeared either

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do you know what im thinking

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sonic 5 could bascially be that

olive rivet
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it'd be difficult to bring either of them in to the movie universe with how its particular history has been established

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perfect chaos ||vs biolizard||

olive rivet
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hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

undone frost
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I feel like chaos would win

hybrid mirage
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i smell a braindead take inbound about "biolizard should actually be like godzilla..."

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but ||movie biolizard could have a different origin||

grim cedar
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If they can slice the moon in half in the movie, Surely they can flood an entire city in a future movie

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and then sonic 6 the movie

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could be about

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you know

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🙂

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could be the movie where silver gets introduced

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and if we take to consideration that remakes and remasters recently have been connected to what the movies are about @grim cedar @olive rivet

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except colors that one only had movie cosmetics

olive rivet
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I don't really think that a tie in for brand synergy is indicative of what a future movie is gonna be about

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well considering sonic 4 ||will have metal||

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||and based on the rumors we know the next remake is heroes||

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||sonic 4 could have neo metal sonic||

olive rivet
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side note, why are you spoilering so much? aren't we in the spoiler chat?

grim cedar
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Ok, Now I remember what the reference in Knuckles was, It was mention that in 1974 an extraterrestrial visited Reno, Nevado, and attended a bowling tournament, I would love to know who that was.

olive rivet
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wait what?

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I don't remember that at all

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grim cedar
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It was one of the hosts of ESPN8 says at the end of episode 6 of Knuckles

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also i really liked eggman in this movie

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and i def doubt hes dead

grim cedar
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He also said he wasn't blue, So there's that other clue

olive rivet
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im going to go with the shadow way

olive rivet
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future flexibility in case jim carrey doesn't want to come back

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plus metal sonic exists for a reason

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remember eggman had sonics hair spike

olive rivet
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I don't think it's gonna have anything to do with eggman

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the metal sonic's don't even have the same energy glow

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so it's probably someone or something else

vague widget
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could be agent stone since its purple

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i wonder who will adopt shadow in the movieverse

olive rivet
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nobody

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maybe stone

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either way

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i think sonic 4 will also adapt some of the sonic heroes storyline

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it wont be just cd

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and based on the multiple metal sonics

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we might also get something from the fleetway comics

grim cedar
vague widget
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maybe sonic 4 will introduce the time stones

grim cedar
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The Time Stones are far to similar to the Chaos Emeralds

vague widget
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makes sense i suppose

grim cedar
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The movie's version of it was just the Master Emerald, with the chaos emeralds inside, The time stone would have to involve another search for it, But I think someone probably already has one and using it

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i know this wont happen but i wonder how would the movieverse introduce the super emeralds

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since the super emeralds are supposed to be the chaos emeralds powered by the master emerald

grim cedar
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The Time Stones are way to similar to the Chaos emeralds just by the designs alone, So they could probably come up with something else

vague widget
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like i wonder what would happen if sonic absorbed the master emerald like robotnik did instead of the chaos emeralds instead

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would it make sonic green too

olive rivet
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I feel like there would be legal problems if that were to happen

wind trout
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I’d imagine he can’t absorb the master emerald but he can absorb the chaos emeralds, now if for some reason the emeralds could become super emeralds, I could see Hyper

olive rivet
wind trout
olive rivet
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also, didn't sonic just take the master emerald and absorb that to go super in movie 3

wind trout
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yeaaa….

split agate
wind trout
split agate
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thus, the emeralds inside the emerald solution

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(granted I dunno how they got back in there by this film lol

olive rivet
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yeah, didn't they fly off like the dragon balls when he relinquished the power?

wind trout
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yep

grim cedar
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in the movieverse, we haven't seen how the chaos emeralds work, as they only come out from the master emerald when one is hit hard enough, I would like to see if they can manage just to get ahold of one

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separate all those pieces, because surely they all do something different on there own, One could maybe be a time stone

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They may have to change the name, Because bringing up the Time Stone, That's one of the stones of the Infinity Stones from the MCU

hybrid mirage
olive rivet
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you could also just consolidate the time stones and the chaos emeralds

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the chaos emeralds can pretty much do anything to begin with

grim cedar
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the master emerald brings thoughts into reality, but only if all those emeralds are together, so each one has a different function, One of them is probably time related

hybrid mirage
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You don't need seperate entities. If the Chaos Emeralds are able to make someone into essentially a God, then you can have them utilize enough energy to travel through time itself which is something they have been shown to be able to do

wind trout
hybrid mirage
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06

grim cedar
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Also what happened to the Master Emerald at the end of the movie.

wind trout
olive rivet
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I say somehow because he kinda just does it

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then they put it in an icebox and play baseball

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and then knuckles gave it to wade who in his infinite wisdom used it as a hockey puck

grim cedar
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when Sonic fall back to the earth, The Master Emerald must've dropped somewhere

hybrid mirage
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They probably have it because none of them were freaking out about it

olive rivet
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either that or shadow has it

grim cedar
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if they recovered it, and gave it back to Wade.

olive rivet
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he did such a good job guarding it the first time

grim cedar
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Next time they'll inform Wade in case they need it for an emergency, just so that he be aware.

olive rivet
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I'm more surprised that wade didn't actually try to fight sonic or at least use the master emerald to get to a safe location

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this is a guy who can canonically do knuckle's fire uppercut

grim cedar
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So it'll be like, Guard it, Until we ourselves need it

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and you know what, In a future movie, Should Rouge ever show up, She won't have any problems stealing the emerald from Wade.

olive rivet
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if there's another show with shadow, rouge should show up in that

hybrid mirage
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On a television budget for a failing platform?

olive rivet
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yeah, but not in the reductive terms you've outlined

pale basin
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I feel like you can easily pass off the time stones since barely anyone cares about them

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Especially with 06

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Just completely kills their purpose

split agate
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CD doesn’t even use the time stones for time travelling anyways

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they just sorta exist as macguffins

pale basin
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Yeah

split agate
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they’re absolutely gonna make it about sonic running fast enough to enact it, either via a tails-made gadget or something else

pale basin
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Which essentially chaos energy

split agate
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(or even some shit like “oh he ran so fast in the race at the end of 3 he went forwards in time” lol)

pale basin
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Only thing I expect anything related to cd are just Amy and metal sonic

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If they are going to do any some sort of time travel it’ll be more so silver honestly

split agate
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I was gonna say moreso like in sonic cd but like

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CD’s time travel absolutely has BTTF influences so yeah it still tracks lol

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everything iconic in sonic really do be nicked from other series but done its own different way

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also unrelated but god I’m still thinking abt the super sonic/shadow fight

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am I misremembering or is this the first time the series has ever had two supers go head-to-head

grim cedar
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Right down to when Sonic sparkles, The Delorean starts to shoot out sparks too

split agate
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(aside from like, maybe Archie cos I’m not familiar with Archie enough)

grim cedar
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I think this is the first time we see Two Supers go at each other, The games never did that

split agate
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like usually its just supers vs eggman and/or monster of the week right

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Completely took me off guard, absolutely did not expect that

worn topaz
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Sonic X kinda does it in season 3, but it's also Sonic X

split agate
wind trout
wind trout
odd grotto
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they went wild with the fight

undone frost
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Honestly one of the best fights we've had between those two

strong basin
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Guys let’s be honest

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Lil Tom is the best character in Movie 3

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The goat himself

lime silo
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We're goin' in blind

strong basin
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This guy gets it

wind trout
jovial plover
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Puppet jokes are funny and I'm tired of pretending they're not

tall linden
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"I told him to get rid of you!"

mild fulcrum
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The Wade show’s best joke was a puppet gag

mild fulcrum
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And lil Tom was again another silly quick gag

tall linden
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shoutout to the bit where tom becomes little tom

mild fulcrum
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The dead puppet of knuxs dad

strong basin
grim cedar
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There is some new concept art shown here

split agate
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God I desperately need to see the behind the scenes for how they did this

grim cedar
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the dance number?

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You know, Each movie had a dancing sequence, I wouldn't be surprise if the 4th has one as well.

strong basin
wind trout
atomic sinew
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Pretty sure the only thing they did is use a double for the scenes where Carrey physically touches Gerald; there are enough scenes where the camera clearly switches back between them that it seems standard

wind trout
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Oh hey it did

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God I haven’t watched 1 in so long

atomic sinew
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They could have done some weird cg stuff, but that’d be a looot of work for something that makeup can cover

lime silo
wind trout
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Oooh that one

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I thought Tiger meant the biker hangout montage

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Mb

grim cedar
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Sonic 1 had Roboknik doing a dance, Sonic 2 it was Sonic and Tails, and now we go back to Roboknik doing a dance with his grandfather, So I wonder how they gonna top that in the 4th, Should they include another dancing scene

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I could see maybe, Something happening, and you have the army of Metal Sonic suddenly dancing

grim cedar
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If the others are drones, Somebody could probably have taken control and cause them to just dance

lime silo
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Sonic and Amy dance, I'm betting 20 bucks on it

atomic sinew
#
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And just like that, Sonics reign over video game movies on rotten tomatoes is over

lime silo
wind trout
feral path
charred wharf
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Saw this one days ago

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Pretty cool tbh 😭

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Even tho I feel like there is better GTA machinimas out there

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But for beginners ig is fine

grim cedar
pale basin
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Honestly hope that's the case

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But I do appreciate that Amy is disclude in sonic 3 movie

grim cedar
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Naturally, the duo don't want to say much more, holding their cards close to their chest, but Miller's adds that they want to ensure that Amy Rose is fully fleshed out: "You don’t want her to be there as a fourth wall running around with the trio. We just want to see her be cool. She's kind of the big female character of the franchise."```They want Amy to be fully fleshed out as a character.
ivory grotto
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Nice

pale basin
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Right now the most tricky part to tell is how Amy will be portrayed. Because she is one of the more inconsistent chars with that honestly

winter spruce
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She is gonna be a bit different

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Especially if they want her to have a character arc

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Since they have big plans

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So don't jump with your knives the moment she shows up on screen

grim cedar
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Yeah, I dont think they are gonna make her fall for Sonic like she's usually depicted as.

pale basin
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Yeah Amy is always this char when it comes to different portrayed

ivory grotto
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it was a good call to save Amy for the next movie
it will give her plenty more screen time to flesh her out

pale basin
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Hard agreed

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I don't want her suffer the same fate as Tails

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I do apprecaite the writers learn their mistake with Sonic 3 movie, but I feel like it's where adding more chars depends how they work

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Both Metal and Amy work perfectly because of how they represent

winter spruce
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Just saying Amy is a big topic in the community, I hope people give these writers a chance since they have earned it

pale basin
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I have strong faith in them honestly

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They are aware how much the fandom are very passionate over the chars

winter spruce
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Since Knuckles and Shadow were heavily criticized in the games and comics for sometime and in movies people just loved them

nocturne falcon
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I suppose it's difficult for some people to have hope in this fandom with how subject to change some things are

winter spruce
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Same as Tails tbh

tall linden
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yeah, they have a much more limited time to tell a story with a movie, better to save her for when she won't be overshadowed

pale basin
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It's also why I am 50-50 over Silver

tall linden
grand kiln
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I kind of trust the movie team tbh after what they’ve done with shadow and knuckles - more so than Sega even

winter spruce
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I think what works with movie chadacters is the writers just want to have cool fleshed out badass characters while being faithful to the games

pale basin
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I do get people want Silver to be part of it because time travel but...... it depends how much room they'll give for him

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Metal Sonic works fine because he is meant to be the main antagonist

tall linden
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honestly, I think silver makes sense for movie 5

charred wharf
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Just give Amy equal time like tails in movie 2

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That way silver can work

nocturne falcon
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Actually wait, who says time travel has to only play a part in one movie?

ivory grotto
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I do think that some form of ship teasing will happen, Sonic and Amy's core relationship is founded on friendship, admiration, and a one sided crush
though they could change the last part into a role reversal of sorts

pale basin
#

CD

tall linden
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assuming they do time travel here, they can just have silver appear as a response to it in the movie after

pale basin
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I am just only giving it as an example tbf nick

winter spruce
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I don't think time travel is the main plot gimmick in 4 but it can easily lead into Silver

charred wharf
atomic sinew
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Damn that headline kinda spoiling things for ppl who don't have the movie released

nocturne falcon
grim cedar
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The issue is how will they bring in time travel, Because you need the time stones for that, and they are too similar to the chaos emeralds, So they might have to aproach it differently, Like something with the chaos emerald.

pale basin
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Knowing the writers they will do something different

winter spruce
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I believe they will do some robot army thing with Metal Sonic

pale basin
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Of course mainly due to chaos energy

grim cedar
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Its interesting the whole concept of an army of Metal Sonic came directly from the comics.

winter spruce
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Maybe Neo is their leader

pale basin
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That's what I can see

nocturne falcon
pale basin
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CD + Heroes adaption works perfectly for this

winter spruce
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If Eggman returns I hope he passes the torch to someone else, a new villain, his arc is over with 3 and that is perfect

pale basin
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agreed

winter spruce
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Although seeing the ending I am not sure how he can pass the torch to a new villain

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Since he was a hero there

mild fulcrum
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I just hope Amy still as the core traits of the game version, thats all i ask for. let her be silly and cute and kind and badass

nocturne falcon
winter spruce
nocturne falcon
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She's someone who acts on intuition and feeling. But not in a bad way

winter spruce
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She is passionate and emotional but without cynism

pale basin
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But I can see them push more so over Amy trying to help others like in the way she did with Gamma, Shadow (SA2), etc.

nocturne falcon
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An unapologetically bubbly go-getter

ivory grotto
winter spruce
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But if Metal is the robot, maybe she will try to be nice to him, I can only see something like with Gamma if the robot in question has a flicky in it, would be a cool nod, although Metal in this case has no flicky inside

grim cedar
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The movies never touched on the idea of turning animals into robots, could we see this in 4?

pale basin
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If eggman wants to upgrade his robots maybe

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If not probably not

pale basin
winter spruce
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They never did animals in robots or roboticization

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If they did roboticization they would not touch Archie but imo neither the Metal Virus

pale basin
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I feel like for movies it'll be essentially the chaos energy

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Considering with sonic, knuckles, and shadow

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Metal Sonic may be the first one that fully successfully replicating it

pale basin
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you know

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i could see a way for them to do a time travel plot for two movies in a row

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if both movies are following the same story

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in other words

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movie 4 part 1 and then movie 4 part 2
part one focuses on metal and amy and part two has silver

tall linden
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would you even go as far as to call it

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Sonic the Hedgehog 4 Episode I

pale basin
pale basin
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i hate that this makes sense

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but i mean

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they genuinely could

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cause ep 2 does bring in cd/metal sonic as well

mild fulcrum
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Sonic 4 Epsiode Metal as a lil short

tall linden
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people are gonna expect stardust speedway, but man I would love if they had metal's them from sonic 4

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that shit goes hard

grim cedar
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I would like to hear some of the Sonic CD music in the movie

mild fulcrum
#

we can have both

tall linden
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if they're not cowards, they'll give us both stardust speedways

pale basin
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tbh, if theyre gonna bring in a specific iconic song to be the theme of movie 4

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it'll probably be sonic boom

mild fulcrum
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the americanization of sonic

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disgusting

pale basin
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its a song they could easily turn into an epic orchestral theme

grim cedar
tall linden
#

shoutout to when an american composer remixed JP stardust speedway and a japanese composer remixed the US version

grim cedar
#

different music depending on the region?

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Honestly though, those in the US who grew up playing CD mostly know the US version, including me

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Like they could do a version of the US Sonic CD theme

tall linden
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I think it'd be neat to have the US version has a kinda menacing motif and then bring in the JP version for the final showsdown when sonic actually locks in

grim cedar
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the thing is the music changes depending on if you are in the past, bad future or good future stages

grim cedar
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Sonic Movie 4 gotta do some version of Stardust Speedway, and I dont mean just the music, But a massive racing scene between Sonic and Metal Sonic

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we got a little bit of the racing in 3, But we could have something bigger

odd grotto
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times square race with shitty ads up the wazoo

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as much as I'd love a CD location or something, I feel they'll probably vaguely reference it with some kinda grounded location that kinda comes close to the vibe
but it'd be rad if they did get to explore some surreal worlds via the rings

grim cedar
charred wharf
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I cried I smiled I laughed I loved this movie

peak grail
charred wharf
#

This one really hit my fan heart

peak grail
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By the way, I just finished it.

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This is cinema.

grim cedar
#

They were gonna do a version one way or another

stuck solstice
#

I am here!

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Finally I can talk about this movie

peak grail
#

Reaching far across these new frontiersss

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I loved the reactions my theatre had for the post credits scene.

split agate
stuck solstice
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I loved this movie

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it was so much fun, so exciting, I had a great time with it

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Is it perfect? To me, probably not

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But I don't care. I had a blast with it and that's all that matters to me

split agate
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yeah it’s definitely not a flawless thing

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the pros far outweigh the cons tho imo

grim cedar
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Things are gonna go bigger as they go along

split agate
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not even vaguely the point being made

stuck solstice
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Like I can see the flaws of it, but certainly what it provides is more than worth it

winter spruce
#

wait the soap opera in Sonic 3 was in Knuckles too?

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is it the same?

stuck solstice
#

My sister cried in various parts

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I got teary in a few areas

winter spruce
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I don't get many tears but my favorite part besides the movie is seeing kids get strong reactions

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it can be special to them like it was for me as a kid playing the game

charred wharf
#

Yippee

stuck solstice
peak grail
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Also, you know what?

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This was a very good movie to watch with my family in particular.

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My mom enjoyed it.

stuck solstice
#

My sister did as well

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she absolutely adored the movie. She isn't a fan in the same way I am

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she knows Sonic exists and there are a few things of the games she knows

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But nothing too intrinsicate. But she had a blast with it

peak grail
#

My mom probably understands next to zero, she is not a gamer or a person who consumes cartoon media.

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Both my parents liked the parts with Eggman and Gerald in particular.

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And that dance scene.

kind scarab
#

Really loved it

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Also uh, fuck that scene with eggman saying goodbye to stone tugged my heartstrings actually

winter spruce
#

I am taking my friends to see it next time

stuck solstice
kind scarab
#

My sister loved it as well

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Also KIDS WERE OK

stuck solstice
#

Like generally speaking all my theater was laughing most of the time, but those two were the standouts

kind scarab
#

there was a lil shit spoiling the end

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Behind me

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But after that he shut up

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My sister was pissed tho

winter spruce
#

There are actually fans in my city that I could hang out with, but it is people I know from my Sonic fan page, so I would be happier to see it with my friends that are not Sonic fans, but it's my friends so

stuck solstice
peak grail
#

I am saddened now, though. I am surprised they actually decided to kill off Robotnik.

winter spruce
#

The announcement is sad but tbh it is a perfect ending

hard spoke
kind scarab
#

Cuz the kid spoiled super sonic and super shadow at the start

peak grail
#

Less surprised about Shadow, but he literally had to announce his death to his... "best friend".

stuck solstice
kind scarab
#

It was a good ending tho

charred wharf
#

I loved super shadow btw

kind scarab
#

If eggman is no longer a thing, that was a great way to end it

charred wharf
#

He's still lighter yellow but

kind scarab
#

Shadow is fantastic btw

charred wharf
#

He's pink

stuck solstice
#

Shadow is so cool, I adored every second with him

winter spruce
#

One thing I am pissed off is they keep doing these ambiguous endings for Eggman so Jim Carrey can come back or not but I am tired of these

charred wharf
#

The eyes being pink instead of red and also the pink shade on the yellow

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Muack

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Perfect

peak grail
pale basin
winter spruce
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For example imagine he did not come back after 2, he died from falling

charred wharf
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I think eggman dying is just the Carrey gimmick

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Cuz in movie 1 is also kinda the same

winter spruce
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But they did it twice in a row

charred wharf
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Yeah he doesn't look like is dead in movie 1 but you might think he would rot on that place

peak grail
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Oh well, they have no other option when Silver appears and Jim Carrey gets to become Eggman Nega.

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Movie 5 here we come.

winter spruce
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I particularly did not like his ending in 2, this one was great

split agate
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by this point I think they’re intentionally faking eggman’s death in every movie just as a safety net for when carrey inevitably turns down returning

charred wharf
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That too

peak grail
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I don't think that's how it works.

charred wharf
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Eggman stepping means more sonic characters as villain too

winter spruce
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In terms of endings they can't top 3 that is why I kinda hope he is gone...

charred wharf
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Like shadow or knux

peak grail
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His death was not faked in movie 1, and in movie 2 it was simply left ambiguous.

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In movie 3...

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He's like dead dead.

stuck solstice
pale basin
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well shadow survived so eggman should as well 🤓

charred wharf
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But makes me wonder as in how are they gonna explain metal, cuz it's not like he even thought about that

stuck solstice
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We shall see once 4 arrives.

winter spruce
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If he became a hero why would he create Metal actually

charred wharf
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And neither Amy or metal arrived in a ring

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It was a thunder

split agate
charred wharf
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Ofc that's a reference but

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Yeaa

stuck solstice
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||Amy is so adorable!||

winter spruce
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Metal could have been created before or activated with his death

charred wharf
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Why spoil

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Is literally spoiler channel

stuck solstice
charred wharf
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😭

kind scarab
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Never can be too sure...

peak grail
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Oh yeah, Amy and Metal.

charred wharf
peak grail
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My theatre was excited for those two.

charred wharf
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And they would've hinted something in the movie

peak grail
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It was kind of surreal.

winter spruce
charred wharf
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Also

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Gerald death 💀💀💀💀

winter spruce
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Lmao

stray tide
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😭

charred wharf
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He was so useless in the movie but it was funny still

kind scarab
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That was so fucking sudden but it was hilarious

winter spruce
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It's like Palpatine in rotj

stuck solstice
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That was a very out of pocket death but very hilarious lmao

strong basin
stuck solstice
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She looks so huggable to me

peak grail
winter spruce
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It looks better than Tails or Shadow in their post credits

peak grail
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But uh, he just died like that.

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Lol.

stuck solstice
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Yep

kind scarab
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I didnt love gerald but i sure loved eggman

winter spruce
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Also Metal Sonic continues being the one character without redesigns

split agate
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funniest shit possible

winter spruce
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Like Boom

kind scarab
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Really good ending for him

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Kinda hope he doesnt come back LOL

stuck solstice
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Shadow was so cool

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I loved every second of him

peak grail
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(His classic design is still better.)

stuck solstice
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"Gabriella should kill both of them,"

peak grail
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It's funny how Sonic mentions he got a few details wrong.

winter spruce
charred wharf
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Also

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Maaan

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When eggman was saying goodbye to stone

kind scarab
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Shadow and Maria were also soooo good

charred wharf
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I was waiting for him to tell him he loved him ngl 😭

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But it was still cute that he said they were friends

split agate
charred wharf
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I'm not a big fan of Gerald here

stuck solstice
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Same, he could be a bit more distinct

charred wharf
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I kinda wish he was like he was in the end

split agate
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like Gerald should not know what comic con is

charred wharf
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A lil more selfish

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But is fine

split agate
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why does he know that

kind scarab
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Not enoigh to ruin the movie for me tho

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tf was rockwell tho

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They gave up

charred wharf
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It didn't ruin the movie for me tbh

stuck solstice
winter spruce
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Gerald was okay, they needed a dick villain

stuck solstice
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the whole thing of the ARK was in 1974

charred wharf
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Gerald was funny but I feel like without him it wouldn't change anything in the movie lmao

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Like, if you replace him for stone

kind scarab
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Nah

charred wharf
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It would be the same

winter spruce
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Without Gerald there would be no real villains in the movie

kind scarab
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I dont think its that extreme

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Yea

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We need gerald

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He just wasnt... great lmao

winter spruce
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I hate to say it but

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He suffers from the Chaos Council syndrome

pale basin
peak grail
pale basin
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they did too much

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it's sonic 3's marriage scene

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let that sink in..

peak grail
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You're this server's marriage scene.

winter spruce
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It's the same vibe as old more evil Eggman

peak grail
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(I'm jk, I don't know know what that implies.)

winter spruce
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But I liked the triangle between Stone Ivo and Gerald

pale basin
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It has a lot of charm

winter spruce
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Sonic and Amy will be the marriage scene in 4

pale basin
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💀

pale basin
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If you are reading fan fictions sure

winter spruce
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I wrote an Amy fan fiction huh