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#[SPOILERS] Sonic Movie 3
grim cedar
grim cedar
She probably won't have her classic red dress when we first meet her, But She will probably end up wearing it eventually, Maybe she will bond with Maddie
atomic sinew
I'm not sure how/why she'd be redesigned when they've mentioned that the movies have used the same models throughout; only Shadow got that treatment for obvious reasons
grim cedar
They can pull a refusal, and have Sonic being a little more curious about Amy instead of the other way around
We got Amy saving Sonic this time
mild fulcrum
true but boom amy at least got to be silly in some episodes
hard spoke
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i disagree, although I will say he is top 5
I personally have a preference to this version of shadow
but the good thing about shadow is that I dont think he has a bad design outside of maybe sonic chronicles?
silly
mild fulcrum
https://x.com/TheRandomGoon/status/1870942673500246097
mfer be looking at "OK WHAT IF THIS CHARACTER WAS IN REAL LIFE" ahh redesign and thinks its the best one.
we need to start killing people bro. people are lost in the sauce
ivory grotto
would this imply Sonic, Shadow and Knuckles have long lifespans for being able to generate chaos energy?
hard spoke
Im glad the only thing I saw that was remotely spoiler worthy was something I could have predicted anyway (||super shadow||) and that I still got to experience 95% of the surprises for myself
and saying that, i still didnt expect ||super shadow to be rose gold and the entire climax, including this shot||
so my experience wasn't ruined for once :D
lime silo
iirc, wasn't that what Super Shadow's colors originally were in SA2?
not as vibrantly yellow as Super Sonic, a bit of a light tint
hard spoke
not as vibrantly yellow as Super Sonic, a bit of a light tint
not really
||its more like a pale gold rather than rose gold||
lime silo
Metal: "Konichi-whaaaaaaaat the fuck?"
Sonic: "I never said that"
nocturne falcon
I'm not sure how/why she'd be redesigned when they've mentioned that the movies ...
What about tails?
pale basin
are you talking about shadow or gerald
ivory grotto
party pooper
strong basin
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pale basin
probably
kind scarab
Why this bitch acts like a charity bot
"Thank you for making a soundtrack better place for us, from the sonic orphanage"
true heron
😭
kind scarab
true but boom amy at least got to be silly in some episodes
That i can agree, she is a little silly in some episodes, but in a ton of them she just feels like a the mom of the group
solid bobcat
She got the coco bandicoot
kind scarab
At least movie amy doesnt seem the mother of the team in case of vibes
solid bobcat
https://x.com/TheRandomGoon/status/1870942673500246097
People starting have conversations about how they think the film designs look best.
Ive seen quite a few, and ultimately i think the issue is simply people desire some kind of art style update. The games really need one
true heron
I wouldn't be surprised if they inversed the role of amy and sonic in the next movie. I wonder if they're gonna be able to capture amy's bubbly but cool personnality... i do have hope
true heron
I think sega is gonna be particularly involved in how amy and sonic have to interact when it comes to romance
kind scarab
So probably none
Thank god
I just dont imagine the movies going into OMGGGGG A GIRLLLLLL
like maddie is right there and shes not like treated like The Girl
Doing that with amy would be real stupid
solid bobcat
I think sega is gonna be particularly involved in how amy and sonic have to inte...
If they can
Or if they care
nocturne falcon
I think the way Movie Sonic is kinda undermines how Amy WOULD be a little bit. He is used to talking things out instead of acting first
true heron
Nah amy def look to be the more experienced one here
solid bobcat
They admitted they see these films as advertising and film shadow is so different from his game counterpart. They might not care
nocturne falcon
And Amy's shtick is usually that she's ordinary on the surface but more than makes up for it with her strong sense of empathy and intuition
solid bobcat
Besides large swings in bad directions
nocturne falcon
Not to say she can't be physically capable at all but more often than not it's a case of her not being superpowered
kind scarab
Man, Movie Shadow and Bad Direction really dont fit in the same phrase
I kinda am not too worried about them just succumbing to putting Any into bad tropes
I just hope shes fun
solid bobcat
I am if im being honest?
kind scarab
I just hope shes fun
I think Tyson knows how amy should be written
If anything he will help out on that front
true heron
He def knows how to design her that's for sure
solid bobcat
Tyson isnt the only one invovled and has previously expressed frustration with how shes seen
nocturne falcon
IDW is like, the only place where Amy feels like she 'should' in the last what, 10+ years? and that's mainly when Evan Stanley's writing her
solid bobcat
A team of people makes these moves with execs looking over them
true heron
He def knows how to design her that's for sure
She looks... well we didn't see her entire outfit but she's like a slightly aged up version of adventure 1 amy, and i love it
kind scarab
All i do not want for amy is for her to be nagging the Boys or be a love interest
solid bobcat
Succinctly theres plenty of places for shit to fall apart
And im just kinda mentally preparing myself for
Well
Akwafina
worn topaz
I only want them to not undermine cool shit happening on screen with a comedy moment no.68
kind scarab
I only want them to not undermine cool shit happening on screen with a comedy mo...
I mean that is for the whole movie
And i agree
nocturne falcon
All i do not want for amy is for her to be nagging the Boys or be a love interes...
It's a tricky balance. I wouldn't want them to completely drop the love interest shtick or overplay it
true heron
I want super amy... tho i'm guessing shadow will come back for the climax and turn super with sonic
nocturne falcon
Cause it's kind of an important part of her dynamic with sonic...
solid bobcat
I want super amy... tho i'm guessing shadow will come back for the climax and tu...
He might not show up tbh
true heron
But village... the money
nocturne falcon
If it were up to me Shadow would be doing his own thing and not show up in sonic 4
either getting a solo series or movie
solid bobcat
But village... the money
True. But i think letting the others stand on their own is important
solid bobcat
either getting a solo series or movie
Or
true heron
Fair, fair
solid bobcat
or?
true heron
A solo movie would be insane, moreso betting on a series
solid bobcat
I dont think its or
nocturne falcon
It'd make for a hype return when he would show up later in the trilogy too
worn topaz
It's and/or at best
actually nvm, I forgor such concept as "spin-off movies" is a thing
But even then, I still don't think they're doing both
true heron
Yeah same
nocturne falcon
oh no it's definitely one or the other
would be cool to have some spacebound adventures or something. delve more into his backstory, if they're feeling brave build up team dark, build up black doom maybehaps. But, still open to a knuckles show type scale
undone frost
Shadow will probably get his own series there's a lot to go there.
worn topaz
having 2 different things based on the same character that, by all intents and purposes, is still a 'side' character to the main guy is a bit much I feel like
solid bobcat
I feel like we at this place last time where people arbitrarily felt lije the films were gonna end at 3 with 0 indicators that this would be the case
feral path
inb4 Paramount investor presentation in February with Sonic announcements (if they do one)
pale basin
I'd imagined shadow may show up at sonic 4 movie but my best guess is during the third act
solid bobcat
The only reason i persist on this point is that i feel like they are gonna do black doom and thats a film event thing
Theres also enough material there for a show
The idea that shadow would "overtake" sonic is a silly thing to get hung up over,
worn topaz
Or they can relegate the black doom stuff to a show and then have season 2 of that show for something else
solid bobcat
Or they can relegate the black doom stuff to a show and then have season 2 of th...
I doubt that
solid bobcat
Again why not
undone frost
In that case it should just be a spinoff movie around shadow if we're assuming black doom is related to him
pale basin
I just do not think Paramount will do both
I'd imagined it's due to budget?
2030 shadow the hedgehog film trust
solid bobcat
Budget argument makes little sense as well
Those things wouldnt be happening at the same time
undone frost
Having two movies feels overkill tbh
worn topaz
Having 2 spin-off movies would be overkill, yeah
solid bobcat
Yall said that about the movies and movie 4 is in dev
solid bobcat
Having 2 spin-off movies would be overkill, yeah
For who?
This is arbitrary
If it make money and the kiddies like it, whats the issue?
undone frost
And we'd probably have a b team working on one film since itd hard on the usual ones to be working on 2 films at the same time.
solid bobcat
These projects would likely be manned by different people
worn topaz
Those things wouldnt be happening at the same time
what would be the window between the 2 then?
solid bobcat
what would be the window between the 2 then?
Problably a lil while i imagine that new knuckles show is supposed to introduce the chaotix yeah?
They gotta alot of material to work with
I think yall confusing me saying these things would both come out tomorrow
These hypothetical projects are separate and come out ar different times. My point is, if shit works theres no reason to arbitrarily limit it right?
One day these films are gonna get real bad and peter out it is what it is. Hollywood is Hollywood
I would like to get cool shit before it happens
grim cedar
snow glacier
where's the escaping
slate gate
sonic fans don’t cook challenge
strong basin
https://fxtwitter.com/chillaxinsonic/status/1871097127621034385?s=46&t=EM8a3Wv0l...
I like Neon better tbh
wind trout
https://fxtwitter.com/chillaxinsonic/status/1871097127621034385?s=46&t=EM8a3Wv0l...
this is really good but Neon’s a better suit ngl
strong basin
odd grotto
I think I lied about not caring about the movies too much after 3 because whenever (or if they ever) do SA1 story I think I might be there day 0
grim cedar
https://youtu.be/66CLzgNubck?si=UwU5D2bFweqxXg5D
Already posted #1310830038668546080 message
grim cedar
I think I lied about not caring about the movies too much after 3 because whenev...
Its more then likely will be the Sonic CD and Heroes story, Both of those stories involved Metal Sonic
There's the possibility they can do Neo Metal Sonic and Metal Overlord being the final form.
odd grotto
I was not talking about the 4th movie
was talking about if after the next one they decide to do SA1 at some point
strong basin
Already posted https://discord.com/channels/172394039788830730/13108300386685460...
It’s like I haven’t been online all day 
pale basin
was talking about if after the next one they decide to do SA1 at some point
I’m hoping SA1 finally gets it turn
odd grotto
I’m hoping SA1 finally gets it turn
dude I need the Open Your Heart to start playing for the final fight, they can pull it off again, surely
pale basin
Perfect chaos vs super sonic and super shadow will be peak
Oh and super silver I guess
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Bro stone will be a perfect friend to shadow
grim cedar
I’m hoping SA1 finally gets it turn
If we do get an SA1 story, Its gonna be radically different.
pale basin
they can have dinner together to remember them like tower and shadow does in game universe
pale basin
If we do get an SA1 story, Its gonna be radically different.
I expect that anyways
Movie is its own thing
sa1 story but chaos is replaced by iblis
And I’m fine with that
grim cedar
Chaos's origin is so tied to the Echidnas, That they are going to have to find a workaround.
pale basin
sa1 story but chaos is replaced by iblis
Better choice honestly
odd grotto
Perfect chaos vs super sonic and super shadow will be peak
if this happens, I'll forgive the lack of Final Hazzard
pale basin
I feel like silver’s purpose will be way better on chaos energy related like sonic, knuckles, and shadow
pale basin
Better choice honestly
i just think that's literally whats going to happen
seems very specific to give knuckles the flames of disaster
pale basin
water god is now the fire god
pale basin
seems very specific to give knuckles the flames of disaster
Oh I 100% expect it
grim cedar
If they ever manage to work in Silver due to the time travel, They might as well combined the stories of Sonic CD and 06 in some way.
odd grotto
but also seeing Chaos 0 is always a treat
kind scarab
Better choice honestly
Sgm you give me so many mixed messages lmfao
pale basin
While for chaos? There is so much you can do with for everyone
kind scarab
You meant worse choice
grim cedar
The Iblis was just a one and done in the Knuckles show, Just a reference, But we at least know it existed in the movie universe.
pale basin
Sgm you give me so many mixed messages lmfao
Bro Iblis sucks man lmao
odd grotto
but also seeing Chaos 0 is always a treat
maybe... maybe they can somehow toss them both in and have them both do a kaiju fight ? 
kind scarab
Bro Iblis sucks man lmao
You said Better Choice for Chaos being Replaced By Iblis
pale basin
game iblis sucks so if they make movie iblis just be chaos, its better
kind scarab
Please Read lmao
pale basin
Oh
pale basin
game iblis sucks so if they make movie iblis just be chaos, its better
is what i thought he was saying
This is why I hate typing in phone
pale basin
Fat finger galore
kind scarab
You could just actually read with you are responding to
pale basin
Still tho
kind scarab
well lol
pale basin
still i genuinely expect this to happen
pale basin
If they ever manage to work in Silver due to the time travel, They might as well...
i just dont know how theyre gonna work in three more characters
It's honestly the best way to implement Silver in some form
I do understand people wanting to have Silver in sonic 4 movie but to me..... I feel like it should focus on the idea 06 is trying to pull instead
While keeping more focus with metal sonic and amy in sonic 4 movie
odd grotto
like I guess I'd be cool with Iblis being in if they'd make him more interesting, though wonder if it'd be possible to have them both in somehow because movie could recontextualize it as uh here's the fire god and water god and uh something like that
unlikely as hell but you see what i'm saying
grim cedar
i just dont know how theyre gonna work in three more characters
Movie 4 will just be Metal Sonic and Amy for the time being, until the post credit where they introduce one or two more characters
pale basin
im confused what youre saying sgm ngl
Sorry phone is so ass, back in my desktop
Okay now i can type better LMAO.
To me I feel like they should build up with time travelling by mainly focusing on just Amy and Metal Sonic. While later on Silver starts showing up due to the next major disaster
In a way like they are building up Shadow from both Sonic 1 and 2 Movie
I mean maybe, but lowkey I don't think I'd want to see two time travel plots in a row
grim cedar
For Time Travel to be a thing in the movies, They will have to introduce the Time Stones
pale basin
oh no I get what you mean, kit
Like imagine if its like
Amy shows up from the future to prevent disaster of the metals and they spend the movie stopping that and then
Silver shows up to...stop another disaster from the future...?
It's just for Silver.... he is in a weird spot doing so due to not just Knuckles taking out the flame of disaster and now Amy's new role
grim cedar
The army of Metal Sonic might be a reference to the comics
pale basin
they stole all of silver's shit and called him a bitch
It has to be honestly tiger
It's too much of a coincidence
I guess outside of time travel my only guess over Silver is be some sort of "leader' of the hedgehog tribes?????????
Other than that I got nothing
What if they do a twist on silver and make him come from Blaze's dimension instead of the future
maybe
grim cedar
pale basin
okay nto something like that LMAO
This one more so, tiger
I guess in a way Silver can be like Dr. Strange
grim cedar
I think its gonna be a combination of all, Metal Sonic, Neo Metal Sonic, And the 3rd act will be Metal Overlord
pale basin
That's what I expect the most
Which basically CD+Heroes
They already did a mix in sonic 2 movie, so they can easily do that for sonic 4 movie
If it does end up that Amy is a time traveller and they do the CD time travel stuff, I think silver just loses his gimmick outright because he'd be competing in screentime with both metal and amy and if they tried to do another time travel plot right after, it wouldnt work
pale basin
Yeah I feel like for SIlver he just needs to have a complete different origin
his best hope right now imo, is that maybe there is no time travel next movie
pale basin
Which honestly is fine since we don't know anything over Silver besides being a time traveler 💀
kind scarab
For most of the movie
pale basin
Silver is a friend of Amys
Even then, he's competing with metal for screentime
grim cedar
Yeah I feel like for SIlver he just needs to have a complete different origin
All these characters have a different origin, So Silver's origin is gonna be radically different, Just look what they did with Movie Shadow.
kind scarab
We dont know if eggman will return
pale basin
All these characters have a different origin, So Silver's origin is gonna be rad...
I'll say Knuckles more so
its about how many game characters theyre introducing in one movie henry
Shadow's origin at least still stay in tact
and how theyre gonna use them to headline the film
Knuckles however? He is by far the most different so far
Outside of strength is nothing like game knuckles in terms of similarities
kind scarab
Well, i am just thinking
If amy is from the future
We will probably have silver
But what they can do to make him stick out
grim cedar
Movie 4 is gonna be Metal Sonic as the main bad guy, who knows if Robotnik will be in it, You never know until they announce that Jim Carrey will return again
kind scarab
Could be an antagonist after sonic
Metal Sonic (or neo metal) could be the threat from the future that silver wants to avoid
grim cedar
I can imagine those parody posters for Sonic Movie 4, One being a parody of the Terminator
kind scarab
And Amy is after Sonic cuz idk maybe she wants to find sonic and warn him
That a very angry psychokenisis hedgejog from the future is out to kill him
And maybe they were friends
Like silver and amy
But then they had this disagreement on the idea of killing sonic
Similar to 06
grim cedar
Imagine a parody of this poster, If they can put those glasses over Metal Sonic's eyes and its glowing, and he does that pose, but instead of the gun, its his arm canon.
pale basin
Honestly.... yeah that could work for Silver
kind scarab
But Silver is desperate to save the world and nip the problem right away
So hes after Sonic
pale basin
Basically how 06 did but actual closure is what I am guessing, henry?
kind scarab
Pretty much
pale basin
You know what? I am okay with that
kind scarab
And you could use the time travel bits from CD, make shadow involved like in 06
pale basin
I feel like that's the best outcome to have Silver in some form while remaining him being a time traveler
kind scarab
I think he should be the next Knuckles/Shadow
Since Amy will be the Tails for sure
And thats the characters introduced
pale basin
In a way yeah which I am fine with
Amy is at least simple enough to introduce while for Silver is far more convoluted
kind scarab
Amy as new hero, Metal as the big major threat and Silver as the antagonist/misunderstood rival
pale basin
So basically triple trouble but instead 3 hedgehogs
kind scarab
Sort of
I think that could work really well
I think silver could do a great antagonist since he could still be naive guy from always but also his powers are terrifying
pale basin
Yeah I feel like that's the best way to implement Silver since I feel like there is a lot more they could do with the dynamic between Amy and Silver
kind scarab
And he wants to kill sonic, not find the emerald, not get revenge
He wants to end the beginner of his destroyed future
pale basin
I just don't see them bringing in silver because i feel like they wouldve teased him at the end of the movie if he was gonna be in movie 4. metal and amy plus the main trio feels like it would be enough
not to mention whatever they'll want to do with the human cast
kind scarab
To be fair KIT
We didnt have any sign of Knuckles in sonic 2 in the post credit or title announcement
pale basin
i know technically knuckles wasnt teased in movie 2, but like
tails was just one character. metal and amy are two
kind scarab
I dont think Metal is a character in the same vein as amy would
slate gate
Amy as new hero, Metal as the big major threat and Silver as the antagonist/misu...
Exactly
kind scarab
Hes the Gerald of this movie lmao
pale basin
metal can be an antagonist of his own cause of neo metal and heroes. if eggman is out of the picture, metal sonic is def the next best bet for being the main antagonist imo
kind scarab
Silver being the shadow, and Amy being the tails
kind scarab
metal can be an antagonist of his own cause of neo metal and heroes. if eggman i...
Thats what i mean
slate gate
Silver is def the character that is a semi-antagonist
pale basin
It's a noticeable pattern now'd I think of it
slate gate
Killing sonic is the shallow reason of getting rid of the metals
kind scarab
Semi antagonist silver is something they jonestly should do imo
slate gate
He wouldn’t know the deeper meaning
nocturne falcon
It's just for Silver.... he is in a weird spot doing so due to not just Knuckles...
Eh tbf iblis is only one part of the bigger whole.
kind scarab
I think it could work
slate gate
They’ll never bring up Iblis imo
kind scarab
The problem is more so fitting in shadow with all of it
slate gate
Way too complicated for a general audience
nocturne falcon
there's your mephiles and your solaris too
kind scarab
Sonic tails knuckles and amy? Sure
slate gate
With metal, you can just pull a terminator plot
ivory grotto
Shadow will get a smaller role or not show up in the movie at all
kind scarab
Shadow? Yea it seems a bit too crowded
pale basin
Silver is def the character that is a semi-antagonist
Silver would get hard sidelined in this scenario if they also juggle the GUN sideplot with rockwell
Shadow having a smaller role always works honestly
kind scarab
Shadow will get his own series and disappear for this movie
kind scarab
Silver would get hard sidelined in this scenario if they also juggle the GUN sid...
They wont lmfao
slate gate
Shadow will get his own series and disappear for this movie
That’s what I’m thinking
ivory grotto
I can see Shadow show up to save Team Sonic, then he leaves
pale basin
I get people want more of Shadow but to me it's one of the main thing that makes him special imho
I just think movie 4 already has enough going on that I would rather Silver get to be the main feature of a different film
slate gate
Silver would be running around trying to find Sonic and wreck his shit
kind scarab
But aside from silver what else would there be
kind scarab
Idk
I think silver could fit judt fine with a bad future amy and a legion of metal sonics
pale basin
Last character u can really do is Chaos
agreed
kind scarab
As a desperate friend of hers
slate gate
For me, silver is such a 50 50
I can def see him being his own movie
But at the same time
pale basin
But aside from silver what else would there be
wym
kind scarab
It could just be amy and metal
slate gate
It’s sorta a pattern going on???
nocturne falcon
???? that's more than enough
kind scarab
I dont see Metal as like, the Knuckles or Shadow
slate gate
I actually agree with Henry
kind scarab
I see Amy as Tails
nocturne falcon
That completely depends on how they play it tbh
kind scarab
Metal seems like a threat with no personality
nocturne falcon
It's important to consider these are not gonna be 1-1 versions
and this is just one post credits scene
kind scarab
Again, Metal is the Gerald
Silver is the Shadow
pale basin
Yeah Metal has always been a pure antagonist
That's always been his nature since the very start. With or without sonic
slate gate
Amy is def the side character that’ll be focused on
But in all honestly
She ain’t taking the spotlight
pale basin
And even so metal sonic already is capable enough to stand out being his own villain as proven few times
kind scarab
Amy is at the start of the 4th movie, we learn about her, then shes like hey i come frkm a future where a robot who looks like you destroys the world
pale basin
He can easily be the Gerald of Sonic 4 movie
slate gate
And I have to be so honest, I don’t think Amy is gonna be selling a movie unlike shadow or knuckles is, like Henry said she’s more of a Tails role
kind scarab
And there is Silver whos after you specifically to kill you
pale basin
Think of the context of the movies and what theyve established thus far. We have the main trio of Sonic/Tails/Knuckles, you know theyre going to slide tom and maddie into a role, we have to establish the metal sonics and where they come from plus possible neo metal, we also have to introduce Amy to the main trio and establish her dynamic with them. And then theres also the issue of GUN and rockwell who wasnt resolved last plot and doesnt like the "aliens"
they have more than enough material to work with for movie four that putting silver in too would just be too much and either him or amy wouldnt get enough development
ivory grotto
im excited for movie 4
it means Sonic Team will have to give Amy and Metal the big spotlight in the games
pale basin
Metal especially
nocturne falcon
But then my question is what the hell do you do for the rest of the trilogy if they blow their load with amy metal AND silver
pale basin
Silver is movie 4 end credit material
kind scarab
I thinkcyou are putting too much stock into the GUN sideplot
slate gate
Think of the context of the movies and what theyve established thus far. We have...
But you can possibly do that with a shadow spin-off
kind scarab
Nah
pale basin
Amy already got her major spotlight, just that the next movie will give her better exposure
kind scarab
Sorry Amy is not gonna hold Sonic 4
grim cedar
Metal Sonic would have downloaded so much knowledge, That he becomes self aware, and doesn't have to follow orders.
kind scarab
And Neither Metal
pale basin
I have to be real, when it comes to GUN related. It has to be mainly Shadow
mild fulcrum
yeah i think amy and metal is enough to keep 4 going, i cant see another furry fuck barging in
pale basin
Sorry Amy is not gonna hold Sonic 4
Youre right, because metal is supposed to be the token sonic rival marketed against him
stray tide
I would love to see silver make an entrance into the films, but introducing more than 3 major characters might make the film a bit too busy in my opinion
I agree that he'd totally be in an end credit tho
pale basin
I would agreed kit but.....
I get it, you want silver to get slipped in there to detach him from blaze but we already know from that one leaked list they cant even use rush content
The fact that they have multiple metal sonic already ruins that
nocturne falcon
What is Metal even gonna do Lol
You say that as if there's nothing he can do. for all we know those metals are just the foot soldiers
kind scarab
I get it, you want silver to get slipped in there to detach him from blaze but w...
Who are you saying this to
pale basin
Theyre not going to blow their load and add silver in a movie that already have a designated sonic rival when theyre trying to milk this franchise as much as they can
pale basin
Yeah he is never like knuckles or shadow
nocturne falcon
bullshit, they can do whatever they want
ivory grotto
im hoping those Metal Sonics are just inferior mass produced dupilcates
and we got a Prime Metal Sonic who is a big rival threat like Shadow and Knuckles
kind scarab
Silver actually has a chance
drifting hawk
Metal sonic aint no knuckles or shadow
Depends on what they do with him I think
nocturne falcon
Again I'd just wait and see what they end up actually DOING.
pale basin
im hoping those Metal Sonics are just inferior mass produced dupilcates
and we g...
That's why I am expecting something like metallix
kind scarab
Depends on what they do with him I think
Then i bring my idea of making Neo Metal Sonic the big main antaongist and making him like an evil rebel sonic like scourge
That would be more appealing tbh
Id take that
nocturne falcon
I mean...I like parts of that idea but I dunno about just completely changing everything that makes metal sonic metal sonic.
kind scarab
But i also know that Sonic loves its Misunderstood Antagonists
pale basin
Metal sonic aint no knuckles or shadow
Silver aint either, be fr
but both of them are still the ones most casuals expect cause who else is there next. be logical. If they want to keep stretching out these movies, its one new sonic rival each
Everyone knows metal sonic is supposed to be a main sonic rival (even though sega treats him like dirt these days). The whole look a like, metal copy of sonic that can do everything he can
pale basin
What exactly makes Metal Sonic Metal Sonic to begin with
hes a metal version of sonic
kind scarab
Hes a robot sonic ig
slate gate
Metal seems to be moreso an overarching villain than a rival
kind scarab
YES
pale basin
^
drifting hawk
Obviously he’s a beep boop robo
kind scarab
THANK TOU
pale basin
Heroes made it more clear
nocturne falcon
What exactly makes Metal Sonic Metal Sonic to begin with
He opposes everything sonic is. not just 'oh he is sonic but a robot'
kind scarab
hes not a rival, he doesnt have the appeal that knuckles and shadow have
drifting hawk
But doesn’t he view himself as the one true sonic or whatever
slate gate
Each sonic movie introduced a new rival
Knuckles
Shadow
Etc
drifting hawk
Maybe I’m thinking of ova lmao
pale basin
Metal seems to be moreso an overarching villain than a rival
hes only an overarching villain when he goes neo metal, but prior to heroes he was just another sonic rival
and besides
Sonic is more like a obstacle to Metal Sonic to reach his true goal
slate gate
U still had the overlooming threat while u had a rival to keep the character at bay
kind scarab
Having Sonic and Metal Sonic in the Sonic 4 marketing is not gonna be nearly are exciting
drifting hawk
Well hey
slate gate
someone has to be making him
That’s the thing tho, we don’t know if he was made prior or not
drifting hawk
I said metal and amy wouldn’t be that exciting for a post credits
nocturne falcon
Having Sonic and Metal Sonic in the Sonic 4 marketing is not gonna be nearly are...
I think we're just stuck on our preconceived notions of what these characters are or our own opinions on them.
slate gate
As this took place right after the events of 3
ivory grotto
the OVA was the only time Metal was written like a Shadow and Knuckles tier rival
drifting hawk
I said metal and amy wouldn’t be that exciting for a post credits
and they were (to me)
kind scarab
I said metal and amy wouldn’t be that exciting for a post credits
Ngl its no shadow
slate gate
Meaning metal was made BEFORE sonic 3???
pale basin
Having Sonic and Metal Sonic in the Sonic 4 marketing is not gonna be nearly are...
imma be real, theres nothing movie 4 is going to be able to do to capture the same hype as movie 3. like i do think shadow was so much of a pinnacle, anything else they do wont capture the same hype whether its metal or silver
kind scarab
I get it
pale basin
it can be good
kind scarab
It wont
pale basin
WIth other sonic chars they can add as much they want
kind scarab
We know that
Anyways all i think is that having Amy Silver amd Metal in the same movie doesnt mean it will be immediatly bloated
Thats all
pale basin
It won't honestly
kind scarab
Cuz they serve different roles
drifting hawk
and they were (to me)
point is, they can probably cook with metal even if he is the primary villain
but idk
we’re like 2-3 years away LMAO
kind scarab
Yea true
slate gate
^^^
kind scarab
We have 3 years to speculate this shit lol
slate gate
Like I said before
nocturne falcon
In theory sure but these are 1 hour and 40 something movies. right?
slate gate
I can see it going two ways
pale basin
Anyways all i think is that having Amy Silver amd Metal in the same movie doesnt...
it will be bloated cause they'll want to shoehorn in the human actors and we know this. and with no jim carrey, theyre def going to try and pick up the slack with their hollywood actors somehow
nocturne falcon
And even in sonic 3 some things were just kinda glossed over or a bit undercooked
drifting hawk
what’s that have to do with it
kind scarab
it will be bloated cause they'll want to shoehorn in the human actors and we kno...
Thats a big assumption
pale basin
its not, they always have a human subplot
pale basin
you know why
slate gate
I can see where Kit is coming from
And it’ll def could POSSIBLY be bloated if their cards ain’t played right
kind scarab
But i dont think it is a certainty
pale basin
meanwhile neo metal can go super also lmao
kind scarab
You just need to make the characters fit their roles in the right way
I dont think Metal Sonic would be a big character
We spend time with
Im sorry i dont
ivory grotto
the OVA was the only time Metal was written like a Shadow and Knuckles tier riva...
actually, this isnt true, I was reminded of something
Metal Sonic was a menace in Sonic Boom and Mania Adventures, he even defeated Boom Shadow
pale basin
if it were just sonic tails and knux with amy and silver tagging along versus a bunch of metals in a purely animated video game film, yeah i dont think it'd be bloated
but then you factor in another subplot like what sonic 2 did, and i dunno. and if they dont get jim back, im extra worried cause he was carrying most of the weight
kind scarab
Watch Metal Sonic have 10 minutes of screentime
Cuz hes a looming threat and not a character
Oh look just like cd you race him and he dies
grand kiln
Does anyone know if the text in the thought/speech bubble above the purple haired lady/Tori has been translated yet?
nocturne falcon
Cuz hes a looming threat and not a character
That's a pretty surface level interpretation of him ngl
kind scarab
That's a pretty surface level interpretation of him ngl
WHAT DO YOU MEAN SURFACE LEVEL
Thats what the games GIVE YOU
pale basin
Yeah that's literally metal sonic lmao
pale basin
Watch Metal Sonic have 10 minutes of screentime
okay henry now youre stretching it, theyre not going to have the end teaser antagonist spend only 10 minutes on screen. youre making nonsensical points now just cause you want to justify your desire for silver in the movie
pale basin
be realistic for a second
drifting hawk
How much total screentime did shadow have in this hour 40 minute film
nocturne falcon
Oh right I forget you aren't considering the extended media.
kind scarab
How much total screentime did shadow have in this hour 40 minute film
Someone count it for me
nocturne falcon
I'm just saying you're acting like just cause that's all the games have given us, that's all he CAN be
kind scarab
okay henry now youre stretching it, theyre not going to have the end teaser anta...
Ok, and you gotta stop assuming what i want, cuz i am not saying i need silver on this movie, i just am saying that it could work and i DO NOT think much of Metal sonic as a character with screentime
kind scarab
I'm just saying you're acting like just cause that's all the games have given us...
What he can be then
pale basin
Someone count it for me
no we're not going to do this erm actually stuff again cause it completely misses the point
"erm see actually shadow was only on screen for ten minutes so i could be right", but thats not what you meant when you said that. youre saying that you dont think metal sonic wont have that much relevancy to the plot itself which i think is a pretty mind boggling take
kind scarab
EHAT
pale basin
You literally said the same excuse with Silver because Knuckles and Amy stole his role
So what the fuck are you on?
no no, I hate when you guys do this petty shit and completely miss the point of the topic at hand
its so annoying
its ticking me off more lately
.......
Dude you kept going like, "erm actually" every single time
What you want us to do?
skirt the topic to be like err well technically shadow had this much screentime 
THATS NOT WHY YOU SAID THAT, THATS NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
pale basin
How much total screentime did shadow have in this hour 40 minute film
this shit
pale basin
Someone count it for me
this shit
what you were gonna find that it was actually 10 minutes and then what
"hah see i was right and thats why i am also correct about this completely different topic that wasnt what you were getting at before"
it irritates me so bad
i hate it
stay on topic for fucks sake you petty mfers
nocturne falcon
What he can be then
I mean I myself would probably need a little time to think about it, I'm not the one making these movies afterall but I don't see any reason why metal specifically has any less potential than the other characters. Especially when similar characters in other franchises have done so, and when extended media like IDW for example, has been able to flesh things out
pale basin
Okay dude then I'll say this because of that behavior
kind scarab
what you were gonna find that it was actually 10 minutes and then what
"hah see...
I was joking
But fine
pale basin
well im not
kind scarab
Im sorry-
grim cedar
I hope Sonic Movie 4 uses some of the music from Sonic CD and Heroes
nocturne falcon
Hell I'm pretty sure movie sonic's backstory takes inspiration from the sonic bible of all things and that shit is nutty
pale basin
it happens so often in here lately, i cant stand it
it feels like no one can just talk their points out, it always has to be some gotcha even its a joke
im just not in the mood
grim cedar
They gotta do a version of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lft02DuvqnQ
nocturne falcon
Y'know what maybe I could make a pitch for movie metal 
, could be fun
pale basin
For Metal Sonic, the main thing over him is that he is an obstacle, in CD, Heroes, and IDW Metal Sonic poses as a threat to everyone else while heavily targets over Sonic because he wants to prove he is the "Real Sonic". Even pushes to the limit to the point he can actually betray his master and becomes a giant monster
For Amy? I always say this many times, she is by far the easiest char to implement, but the main thing with her is that is "how" to implement her. Now we know what they are doing with her, her role amount will be just as the same as Tails where she is more on the support role.
Neither of them can easily carried the movie on their own because this has always been their role in the game series and like how Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow were handled follows that too.
SIlver however? What works for Silver is that he has a convuted backstory like Knuckles and Shadow, but however unlike Shadow (which is a no brainer lmao), he is more of a char that is a complicated spot to implement due to his main role which is time travel
With Sonic 4 utilizing time travel with multiple metal sonics, Amy being in the bad future, it's the best chance for him to being part of the role without exposing too much with the character cast. None of a single sonic char is ever like Shadow because he has the most exposed amount of development of any single sonic chars. They can easily have Silver being treated as the "antagonist" like Knuckles were instead of Sonic trying to help him, it'll be more so Amy where she is provening herself how much of a very loyal friend is to Sonic, while Silver misunderstands what's going on. Till later in the act where they found the real threat, Silver basically be another char to help them out and stop Neo Metal Sonic and the other metals.
But however I do appreciate for you to chill out kit and that's coming from me. I tend to lash things out too here, but at the same time I can understand why your not fond of the idea wanting to have SIlver in sonic 4 movie and I get it, I am not fond of the idea over SIlver. But I don't think it's fair underestimating the movie writers where they are pushing the movies even bigger now
kind scarab
im just not in the mood
In any case, i am sorry about the jokes, this isnt meant to be any serious gotcha or anything and you could be right, i just have a little bit of faith on the movie team of balancing things out
pale basin
To me it's really difficult balancing out a bloated amount of cast in a movie, but it comes down over how you implement them
void stream
Think of the context of the movies and what theyve established thus far. We have...
Don’t forget about Shadow who’s absolutely coming back and getting some decent screentime lmfao
pale basin
But at the same time they need to go bigger after with sonic 3 movie
odd grotto
I do get Metal, especially in the games, has been shown as more of a Super Badnik or mini boss thing that gets in the way and hell, even CD kind pretty much used him as that if the race counts as a boss, but I do think these movies are bit of a different deal and likely can do their own thing with him - or them considering there are multiple for whatever reason (and even have different colors apparently??)
of course you can't really see much of any character from just the tease as it just shows what anyone expects but idk, they could lean into the whole "I'm the real Sonic" or whatever (would be rad if they tapped into the OVA thing of them both almost being in sync at one point)
nocturne falcon
I guess the other thing that separates him from Knuckles and Shadow is that, he can't be changed. he can't be redeemed. He serves one function and has no freedom. Which also begs the question, how can a sonic that isn't free be the 'real' one. The conflict with this character is that inherent contradiction within his own existence that he fights against
pale basin
^ this is another thing to point out that IDW is trying to show
Metal Sonic has 0 freedom like that one annual
kind scarab
Good point about the redemption
pale basin
Metal Sonic is nowhere like Knuckles or Shadow where they can easily change. Metal Sonic? He is forever stuck
nocturne falcon
Of all the 'opposite of sonic' characters metals probably the most literal it gets. robotic to to the organic, silent to the talkative, a slave to his purpose where sonic is free
odd grotto
and yea he is no Shadow
but it's not impossible for them to do something interesting with him
kind scarab
I agree
pale basin
It what makes sonic rivals very special where they each have their own way of freedom as they oppose to sonic
ivory grotto
I love how Metal Sonic and Shadow are both designed to be "Sonic but cooler" yet they are so different from each other
nocturne falcon
the thing with shadow is their existence isn't even linked to one another for the most part
save for one mural that gerald allegedly based him off of
pale basin
I love how Metal Sonic and Shadow are both designed to be "Sonic but cooler" yet...
One of the main reason why I wanted more dynamic between Shadow and Metal Sonic
grim cedar
What do you think of Kristin Chenoweth as Amy? https://fixupx.com/emzberry/status/1871274995403329741
nocturne falcon
They just happen to oppose each others existences
and happen to clash in so many ways
pale basin
Rivals is like the only thing we get ACTUAL chemistry between the two
Oh right and archies
ivory grotto
the thing with shadow is their existence isn't even linked to one another for th...
its funny to me because Shadow fits the description of a twin brother (similar appearance, similar speed, different personality ) but he and Sonic are not related whatsoever
pale basin
In any case, i am sorry about the jokes, this isnt meant to be any serious gotch...
Okay I'm trying to calm down. Im on a lot of different medication lately and its part of the reason why ive been lashing out so much more lately, things im annoyed by turn into much bigger issues in my head than they are. im semi aware, but im not always able to stop myself
I cannot really blame you on that unfortunetly
im sorry for getting angry so suddenly like that
charred wharf
pale basin
trust me I know how you feel man. It's hard to keep your temper in check 😔
im on a lot of things to keep my gastro issues in check but they clash with other meds i have and its just not been a very pleasant experience, but its all i have
Sorry to hear about that 
grim cedar
If Sonic Movie 4 were to use music from Sonic CD, Fans will be split on what version of the music they need to use, Because you have both the US and and Japan versions.
grim cedar
That's the one game where the soundtrack is different depending on the region
They can probably mix the two, Like the main theme should be the US version because its very iconic
They can use part of it as one of those leitmotifs
pale basin
basically yeah
split agate
holy fuckin shit
grand kiln
Omg Jane have you seen it
split agate
that Eggman is BISEXUAL bisexual
pale basin
LMFAOOOOOOOOO
grand kiln
I’ve been waiting to talk about the post credits 😭
pale basin
Oh yeah I saw the tweet over ||Team Sonic being called Team. That hurt me||
grand kiln
Fleetway gang were so back
pale basin
Honestly yeah I am mad surprised they are doing fucking fleetway LMAO
split agate
Give Amy her wife cowards
kind scarab
Okay I'm trying to calm down. Im on a lot of different medication lately and its...
sorry dude 
Hope everything gets settled 
kind scarab
Amy has a wife?
Yea in StC
pale basin
Yea in StC
ah fair
Sorry I just never knew anything about fleetway. I only know about that psycho super sonic and metallix 💀
odd grotto
holy fuckin shit
thoughts on the greatest live villain execution on theatrical screen?
split agate
Amy has a wife?
you goddamn BET
kind scarab
Shame this story sucked, its always the case lol
odd grotto
everyone's eye colors get shuffled, as a treat
kind scarab
Fizzy the moment passed dkkdkd
split agate
think this film had two of the funniest complete tonal whiplashes I’ve ever seen in anything ever
kind scarab
Is it the spanking
split agate
the shadow gens credits music is now excused
pale basin
💀
split agate
Is it the spanking
ABSOLUTELY the spanking LMAO
drifting hawk
Fizzy the moment passed dkkdkd
I turned off my phone after and saw the ping rn 😭
odd grotto
Gerald's demise was amazing
drifting hawk
odd grotto
cinema
zapped in the ass by a blue quill and then evaporating after hitting a field of electricity
nocturne falcon
That is gonna end up being the vocal point of some kinda twitter thread argument isn't it?
vivid totem
https://fxtwitter.com/chillaxinsonic/status/1871097127621034385?s=46&t=EM8a3Wv0l...
This kinda sucks
split agate
think this film had two of the funniest complete tonal whiplashes I’ve ever seen...
the other one is wade
THE funniest way to include wade
odd grotto
still shocked no wade emote
odd grotto
need the photo of wade as an emote
mild fulcrum
Wade just works a quick gag character. It would be great if him and Big interacted tho
hybrid mirage
need the photo of wade as an emote
I want the newspaper photo of him and the hot pockets as a sticker
Funniest Wade image
odd grotto
ya know, it'd be cool if Big showed up, like a minor role or something
it wouldn't be impossible, would it
odd grotto
Funniest Wade image
YES
like some ally of Amy's who helps out from time and shows up for a few moments here and there, doesn't busy up the story too much just.. exists.
split agate
do genuinely think mmmmmmaybe they should’ve tuned down the carrey-ness at points
hybrid mirage
YEA IT WAS THERE FOR LIKE 5 SECS IN KNUCKLES EP 1 LMAO
odd grotto
yea it was a bit too much, not that I didn't enjoy the shenanigans but it did lead to some wild whiplash
nocturne falcon
do genuinely think mmmmmmaybe they should’ve tuned down the carrey-ness at point...
It isn't even like Carrey can't do that, he can do serious really well
hybrid mirage
If this is the end for Jim's reign as Robotnik, I want as much as I can get
And this sufficed
split agate
YEA IT WAS THERE FOR LIKE 5 SECS IN KNUCKLES EP 1 LMAO
Wildest part is the article it’s printed with is actually, a fully typed-out article
like it’s no lorem ipsum
hybrid mirage
Wildest part is the article it’s printed with is actually, a fully typed-out art...
They didn't do the fucking latin filler text what the hell
odd grotto
yea, I think at points during the scenes on the canon, Carrey did some decent stuff for Gerald in a scene~~ before the fight~~
split agate
they genuinely did write about wade and his hot pockets eating
odd grotto
yea, I think at points during the scenes on the canon, Carrey did some decent st...
the way he spoke about his intentions and how he pulled the rug from under eggman like that
odd grotto
omg bonus reading material
sonic lore heads, it is time to implement this information into our skulls
hybrid mirage
12 whole pumpkin pies in an hour
odd grotto
where does this put Wade in the power rankings
hybrid mirage
57 liquidized apple pies in 10 minutes
12 meatloafs in 17 mins
This man cannot be satiated
split agate
Wade should’ve simply eaten the master emerald
super wade could’ve taken out the eclipse cannon……..
true heron
https://fxtwitter.com/chillaxinsonic/status/1871097127621034385?s=46&t=EM8a3Wv0l...
💀
hybrid mirage
super wade could’ve taken out the eclipse cannon……..
Wade is the only film character capable of achieving Hyper form
Movie Sonic wishes he could be on the same level as Wade
true heron
God i love the idea for her shoes to have roses on her soles
https://x.com/Hallsth_Eien/status/1871244831126905246?t=1_tQ1jY0lk-m9DIPhdYrFg&s=19
Twitter
nocturne falcon
God i love the idea for her shoes to have roses on her soles
https://x.com/Halls...
yknow what, this is a pretty nice redesign
odd grotto
yeah I like it, the soles are cool touch
split agate
also holy shit they were NOT kidding with the dbz comparisons for the final act
true heron
Yee
split agate
super sonic & shadow sparring was insane???
true heron
The anime energy
split agate
genuinely did not expect that at all what the hell
true heron
Of shadow blockiing sonic
odd grotto
the fight was out of this world
pale basin
https://x.com/IGN/status/1871292466583785724 the real answer
Twitter
odd grotto
Big extending all fingers in one hand
movie 5 guys.......
grim cedar
Miller cuts in here, "Not necessarily the Big the Cat."
"But we ended up cutting it," Casey concludes. "It didn't make any sense."```This bit from that IGN article
void stream
damn this is insane marketing 😃 👍
split agate
Sidenote but insane shadow just
Came from space in this
in a fuckin black comet too???
odd grotto
we're getting black doom at some point ain't we
black doom just coughing out a comet with shadow in it
split agate
oh GOD yes please for a shadow film
pale basin
yeah black doom is 100% happening
odd grotto
interesting choice they went with just outright having Black Doom as the sole dad rather than a manmade creation from space
still works well enough with Shadow of course
grim cedar
It turns out to be satellites https://www.newsweek.com/videos-show-dramatic-fireball-over-us-satellite-reenters-atmosphere-2004820
void stream
what happened to this btw
odd grotto
maybe I'm misremembering but
there wasn't any Chaos Control in the movie at all, huh
tbh I guess the super speed like shown in the 1st movie might as well be that but not reliant on the emerald and since Shadow is basically similar to Sonic he doesn't need Chaos Control as in the games
grim cedar
maybe I'm misremembering but
there wasn't any Chaos Control in the movie at all,...
Nope, no Chaos Control
jovial plover
maybe I'm misremembering but
there wasn't any Chaos Control in the movie at all,...
I mean Shadow can still seemingly teleport
odd grotto
I suppose within the movies, just having super speed and chaos energy is enough for that kinda effect
mild fulcrum
I though the teleport was just Chaos Snap and not really Chaos COntrol
grim cedar
Shadow doesnt even use a chaos emerald for the teleport, Hes just born with that power
odd grotto
I mean Shadow can still seemingly teleport
oh yea he does that so often even in the games I already forgot lmfao
pale basin
they gotta adress the alien thing one day
I get the feeling they are going to save chaos control for sonic 4 movie
odd grotto
I suppose within the movies, just having super speed and chaos energy is enough ...
I noticed this was kinda the case for Sonic a few times in the first movies - like the bar scene or the missiles part
only Eggman could intervene by using Sonic's quill to basically perform the same feat
grim cedar
I hope for the Shadow spinoff, They address his actual origin, He doesn't even remember where he came from, So there's opportunate to tell a story of Shadow exploring where he actually came from, And they can do Black Doom
mild fulcrum
Sonic and Shadow do a dual Chaos COntrol in the movies, that would be cool
pale basin
Sonic and Shadow do a dual Chaos COntrol in the movies, that would be cool
this means time travel...
odd grotto
maybe the more typical execution of Chaos Control might show up for maybe time travel or something
or maybe they could just do that thing where character runs fast and just teleports into the future
pale basin
time travel means... silver
oh right yeah
06 utilize chaos control over time travel lmao
grim cedar
They are gonna have to combine the time travel from both CD and 06, But the use of time travel will have to be the time stones
pale basin
will they make two time travel stories in a row tho?
odd grotto
I noticed this was kinda the case for Sonic a few times in the first movies - li...
cuz I'm just thinking what's the point of the traditional chaos control like in the games when it seems like this is something sonic's been already pulling off using his speed in the movies
grim cedar
will they make two time travel stories in a row tho?
I dont know, I think they will do one time travel story, and just combine them both
pale basin
Amy and Metal Sonic are very simple enough to be implemented
While Silver is more convoluted
grim cedar
They could bring in Silver in a Sonic Movie 4 post credit scene after they dealt with all the time travel stuff
pale basin
Yeah it's either him being part of sonic 4 movie or post credit
grim cedar
They could do something wild like some multiverse stuff with the time travel
Sonic CD's story has you go to the past, present and future, So we could see stuff where somebody change something from the past, which affected the future
pale basin
Oh yeah
now that i think about it
Knuckles wasn't shown in the post-credits
yep
movie 1 post credits
so yeah
Henry pointed this out earlier
there's still hope!!!
It's at least a 50-50 over Silver
But the chance is there
grim cedar
Remember Sonic in Sonic CD can travel back in time by running really really fast
he runs so fast, he starts to sparkle and when you run pass a sign, you are teleported to the past or future
pale basin
Yeah
Yeah so in way there is a lot going to be a lot of multiple stuff over time traveling
grim cedar
Obviously if they do that in the movie, How he gets there will be different, since the sign post are part of the game's mechanic to get you there
pale basin
My guess will be chaos energy related
grim cedar
Its gonna be some sort of back to the future type of thing
run fast enough, and then hitting something to cause the time travel
The movie even had a back to the future joke
void stream
i had an idea on how to handle silver
if we give amy the "coming from the future" gimmick, silver could be like
a time guardian
grim cedar
Someone says the 1.1 gigawatts!
void stream
whos looking after the fabric of time and space using the time stones
but the meddling of sonic and co set it out of wack, so silver starts chasing them down not out of antagonism but just to prevent a complete collapse of the space time continuum
grim cedar
What if they mess with the timeline so much, that we see Metal versions of Knuckles and Tails
There is a Metal Knuckles from one of the games
pale basin
I will be so happy if so
grim cedar
Metal Knuckles from Sonic R, and it says here Metal Tails was in Sonic Superstars
They show up in an alternate timeline, where we meet a Metal Knuckles
And a Metal Tails
split agate
thinking about how wild it is they nearly fuckin shot maria in this
like that guard came SO fuckin close
grim cedar
Then Commander Walters intervene to stop the guy from shooting a kid
void stream
(he failed)
ivory grotto
how they did Maria's death in the film is wild
she got blown up by a canister and it took the agents with her
thats worse than getting shot LOL
kind scarab
thinking about how wild it is they nearly fuckin shot maria in this
To be fair, it was a plasma shot
Not actual bullet
hybrid mirage
Still being shot
kind scarab
Hmmm idk its Different lol
void stream
Twitter
hybrid mirage
You want a bullet or laser that fully impales through the flesh with plasma burns
kind scarab
Laser is less realistic
split agate
I thought they were gonna completely avoid the shootout aspect so like
any gun at all COMPLETELY set me offguard lol
kind scarab
They avoided it in an interrsting way lol
I mean its a very fuckin cartoony gun
It shoots honey
kind scarab
And yea, this is my favorite version of shadow and maria by far
They made maria more of a typical teenager and it works well
split agate
wild how they kept the shootout aspect and left out the terminal illness
kind scarab
Ngl didnt need it
split agate
yea agreed, just not the way round I expected things to be lol
nocturne falcon
I disagree but I just remembered I already had that discussion yesterday 😂
everything truly is a circle in this fandom
split agate
they did shadow and maria so good
it’s wild how everyone was like “I’m gonna cheer when she gets shot onscreen!!!” a few months ago but now that bits just
completely evaporated
split agate
shadow gens and this put so much respect on Maria’s name
kind scarab
completely evaporated
Good
For sure
I love movie maria shes an actual
Person
A bit of a troublemaker even
solid bobcat
maybe I'm misremembering but
there wasn't any Chaos Control in the movie at all,...
I dunno
odd grotto
shadow gens and this put so much respect on Maria’s name
for sure, these both in their own way did her such justice
solid bobcat
iits just ...lame i guess
chaos control was never a thing he needed, practically it was just cool as hell
Like this is sighs i want to reiterate i like the film. This my issue, its a lot of things gone for simplfication and its like...just let it rock
maybe he learns it later or whatever but i feel like there's a weird amount of " maybe next tme" with this film
mild fulcrum
Movie Maria was fine for the runtime its limited to. I think it is a shame a lot of aspects get dropped for simplifying it for audiences but idk I think audiences shouldve been able to handle it but ig for "SOnic but in real life" setting these bum ass movies are stuck with; the changes are prob necessary since it doesnt live in that illusionary fantasy that can help disconnect things from reality.
Idk it seems like a good amount of people resonate with Game Maria as someone who deals with a long term illness but still chose to be bright and positive and I can absolutely appreciate that aspect even though I only really connected with Maria as an character through the manga.
solid bobcat
I wonder how many of those were " we were told we cant do x" and how many were " we didn't feel like we should do x"
kind scarab
Movie Maria was fine for the runtime its limited to. I think it is a shame a lot...
Sigh, i legit dont want to sound mean, but it just feels like a preference to make things more like the games rather than a flaw on movies part
To me, i much prefer what was done here
I actually got to see shadow and maria watch movies, have fun together, it was great
And when her death happen it really felt like shadow lost a friend
nocturne falcon
I still feel like that is oversimplifying things way too much. it's not just wanting things to be more like the games imo
solid bobcat
i feel like you could hav ehad her be sick and also do those things
in fact her being sick and doing those things would have made those things and her death sadder
nocturne falcon
especially when you understand the purpose behind specific plot elements, why they're there in the first place and what removing them for the sake of changing something means for the wider narrative
solid bobcat
I'm not super beat up over this film uh
mild fulcrum
i wont deny the games shoudve done more to explore shadow and maria's dynamic so we can a version of what we saw in the movie but i dont think that alone was worth removing almost everything else. maybe its my bias for being a game purist and that these movies were never gonna do it for me so ig i just have to stick with being in the minority
split agate
Think it’s just a case of videogames being simply much longer than films, limited time to squeeze it all in without it all becoming too much to take in at once
solid bobcat
how can i say this niceley. Feels weirdly cynical about cutting aspects of shadow's ( and related chaarcters everything ) when they bothered to expand on other characters?
mild fulcrum
it is gonna be interesting how the shadow spinoff will expand on things
solid bobcat
Like it sweird that all these thing sneeded to be cut down when they gave sonic an dentirely new backstory
kind scarab
Think it’s just a case of videogames being simply much longer than films, limite...
We say that and there is no sign maria was ill in sa2 the game
solid bobcat
its weird that they feel like they needed to cut down on things when they expanded on knuckles backstory
why are these the characters that neeeded things shaved off
nocturne falcon
We say that and there is no sign maria was ill in sa2 the game
So what?
kind scarab
Not even in shadowth
solid bobcat
and replaced with...nothing
mild fulcrum
cause i do forget movie shadow is still new and we're only just starting with him and it is kinda unfair to compare that to much more fleshed out and defined story of game shadow so i wonder how we can compare movie shadow with sa2 shadow? and whether we should apply stuff like the rouges report into how things are?
split agate
wish rouge was in this but at the same time I’m not sure where she would’ve slotted in
hope she’s a shoo-in for the inevitable shadow spin-off tho
nocturne falcon
becoming part of the reason why Gerald would want to start project shadow. and in terms of her relationship with shadow there's a sense of 'duty of care' between the two. Shadow being more protective of her, and also coming into existence as a means to help people (which only further supports his promise to maria)
kind scarab
hope she’s a shoo-in for the inevitable shadow spin-off tho
Pls
Her and omega
Make it work
odd grotto
I need Omega
nocturne falcon
Plus there's also that tidbit of Gerald himself in the movie literally extending his lifespan with the shadow quill
odd grotto
so bad
odd grotto
*Plus there's also that tidbit of Gerald himself in the movie literally extendin...
you know I do kinda wonder if mayybeee more might be revealed in a Shadow spinoff now I think about it
split agate
Her and omega
God yes, team dark vs black doom would go so hard
feral osprey
Did anybody else notice when Gerald says “if you weren’t family I could’ve gut you like a pheasant” it seems to be dubbed over someone else?
nocturne falcon
cause i do forget movie shadow is still new and we're only just starting with hi...
Tbf there is the benefit of hindsight and of setup and payoff. you don't even have to outright say some of this stuff
feral osprey
I’m trying to read the lips but I can’t tell what was originally said
nocturne falcon
There are plenty of ways to show not tell, or even elude to elements. Like the setup of robotniks family in movie 1
briefly mentioned he grew up in an orphanage in movie 1, and without a mother. which is a tidbit that gets some payoff in this movie
void stream
i feel like you could hav ehad her be sick and also do those things
i feel on top of the optics that movie maria elicits a different feeling regarding shadow then game maria does
nocturne falcon
I'd argue its an adaptations job to understand what it's adapting. Hence if you're changing something then not only should you understand its purpose but if adds, or detracts from the story. If it does add and you're taking that away then there better be something just as compelling
Change for the sake of change, doesn't always play out well
void stream
shadow's expected to be the key to fixing maria's illness on top of everything else, and the two are connected in that they dont exactly have the strongest idea of a "normal life on Earth"
but in the movies, maria is by all means a third party. somebody who treats him like just another kid. the friendship element is essentially far stronger here
kind scarab
Yeeeeeeeaaaa
void stream
like there's a pretty strong difference in that in the games, maria watches shadow be awoken for the first time whereas in movie 3 maria stumbles upon a shadow who's already awake and has spent most of his time in a lab
void stream
i think both work pretty well on their own and i wouldnt wanna exactly frankenstein them together per say
but i find it pretty interesting how they could change so much and yet theyre able to keep the strength of the sauce
kind scarab
Yes
odd grotto
imo I think both did Maria well in their own ways, like obvs i have a preference but I think the movie at the very least did a great job showing the strong bond between Maria and Shadow
and did so without even needing to use much running time
nocturne falcon
Granted nothing about Shadow is particularly meant to be normal. Right?? His whole shtick, is that he's an artificial being (which of course is part of the contrast between him and Sonic)
mild fulcrum
well things gotta be somewhat normal now cause yknow sonic in real life
nocturne falcon
💀
they literally hint toward shadow coming from the black arms.
hell all these characters are aliens
mild fulcrum
i bet they wont even do the paralysis gas and that the death leeches eat people live to gain nourishment
void stream
yeah i think shadow just being a outright alien is less "normal" then him being a result of science
nocturne falcon
(granted of course in the game continuity it's a bit of both) but nevertheless it feels silly to say "oh but it's sonic in real life"
wind trout
i bet they wont even do the paralysis gas and that the death leeches eat people ...
It’ll happen don’t worry
mild fulcrum
i mean idk i never fw the live/action cgi structure these movies are in cause it costs money to have the sonic cast do cool shit
nocturne falcon
Plus in a post MCU world, I question what elements would be 'too jarring' to general audiences
mild fulcrum
do we have the general idea what clicks with general audiences these days and what doesnt?
nocturne falcon
Couldn't say tbh but it's up for debate
mild fulcrum
i think it just a perspective whether youre all in for carrey or not
true heron
Most reviews i've seen of the movie said that jim was funny just like in the other movies
void stream
i remember when the telegram incident happened and i thought eggman and gerald were gonna go hand to hand based on screenshots
true heron
So i'm like 
void stream
but uhhhh nope, nanomachines son
true heron
So i'm like <:sonicshrug2:1208041584260816896>
But even outside of that
Like, you like carrey
Okay good
But i'm just sad they couldn't commit to making gerald consistent
Like bros have that "you're no mariah" one liner
So good btw
split agate
Idk how the audience felt about that mantis vs scorpion fight honrstly
Yeahh I wasn’t wild abt that tbh, just sorta happened
split agate
Gerald scooting around with his lil hover jets while crouched over was very funny tho
solid bobcat
Granted nothing about Shadow is particularly *meant* to be normal. Right?? His w...
This another issue. His abnormalities created a distance in how he thought and acted. They could double down on the black arms stuff, get mad weird but as it stands he isnt much different from the maincast besides sad
And like everyone in these films have a sad story
It doesnt feel like he has much differentiating him
split agate
also complete sidenote but can’t believe they straightup killed the olive garden guy
solid bobcat
Hell be fine,hell walk it off
void stream
true heron
Oh yeah @split agate what did you actually think of the movie as a whole, missed that whole conv
split agate
Very extremely good, easily the best of the three even with odd pacing near the start and carrey’s tone not matching everything else super-well at times
true heron
I totally agree
wind trout
Idk how the audience felt about that mantis vs scorpion fight honrstly
I almost fucking zoned out during that scene ngl
but supers brought me back
split agate
like it goes ridiculously breakneck right at the beginning, to maybe too much of a degree?
true heron
Oh yeah i mean
Within 10 mins the fight between shadow is already finished
Which is weird bcs it genuinely only happens at the start and at the very end
split agate
everything from like, the start to the chao garden felt too fast
everything else tho, completely fine weirdly
split agate
also yea carrey mmmmmmaybe should’ve dialled Gerald back a bit at times, or even just em not cutting it in with other bits cos like
live and learn directly into the spanking scene is the funniest possible tone mismatch I’ve ever seen in a movie lmao
split agate
I can’t even be mad it was just completely surreal
split agate
What about the post credit ?
METALLIX MATE
FUCKIN INSANE
(also Amy looks good too)
true heron
SHE LOOKS... AHGHHHHHH
PLEASE do not mess her
Anyway yeah
I wonder what they're gonna do for the 4th movie tie in
I'd be so fucking down for a cd re-imagining but that's def not happening
Also yeah metal !
He looks so close to his game version
Actually insane how sonic is the one that looks the furthest away from his game model lmao
wind trout
SHE LOOKS... AHGHHHHHH
if they fuck this up I’m going to kill paramount
true heron
wind trout
More than likely
kind scarab
Likable in any way
pale basin
Damn seriously!?
true heron
Even in my theater people clapped and everything
wind trout
was going to say something but I realized that SonAmy fans would tie me to a stake over a roasting flame if I said it
true heron
I didn't expected Amy to be THAT popular
hybrid mirage
is that sonic.exe
mild fulcrum
I just want a silly Amy that can also be badass
true heron
Was very scary
They've handled every game character fine, i have trust (but i gotchu)
wind trout
is that sonic.exe
pale basin
I am just hoping Amy remains silly girl while having badass moments
That's all I wanted the most over movie amy
hybrid mirage
I love this horrible joker edit so much
wind trout
I love this horrible joker edit so much
kind scarab
They've handled every game character fine, i have trust (but i gotchu)
I trust tyson
I dont trust hollywoods power to make every girl ever lame as hell cuz they are afraid of girls being bubbly
mild fulcrum
we cant say for sure until we get a trailer of her or whos voicing her
wind trout
it just hit me that we’re not getting a trailer for 3 years
kind scarab
Ill never forget what they did to peach
wind trout
LMFAO
pale basin
Like holy fuck I was so not happy how they handled her
wind trout
SAME BRAINCELLS
pale basin
There is a lot I can criticize over mario movie but I can only do it here
Otherwise mario fans will just lash me out just because I like the sonic movies more 
true heron
we cant say for sure until we get a trailer of her or whos voicing her
Idrc about who's voicing her tbh, the actress might have an influence like keanu kinda did but honestly i don't see how any actress would be different from the other for amy iykwim
wind trout
Otherwise mario fans will just lash me out just because I like the sonic movies ...
the hellzone must never be entered
pale basin
Outside of that one certain female actor, I am cool with whatever
wind trout
What female acto-oh nvm
pale basin
yeah
grim cedar
https://fxtwitter.com/sirendelreys/status/1870349533206769780?t=6uhdyV02eiY7PbTb...
I love how Amy is like the Lady Thor of the Sonic Cinematic Universe.
pale basin
There any good example over lady thor because I know nothing about that char
true heron
Uh... sure?
mild fulcrum
i liked the mcu version well enough, not perfect but she was fun
pale basin
Oh she just appeared in MCU movies/animated series?
grim cedar
and comics
mild fulcrum
she was in love and thunder
mild fulcrum
id say its one of the better aspects of the movie imo
pale basin
hmm I might as well check it out one day
mild fulcrum
then again i enjoyed the movie overall so im in the minority
grim cedar
I like how the Sonic movies are treated like Superhero movies
and that mid credit scene felt like one of those MCU end credit scenes when a hero makes a surprise appearance
atomic sinew
There's not really any downsides for making Amy badass in the eyes of the creators; criticism is always lobbed at Amy or other characters because of some combination of their role and handling in media that does the opposite
split agate
and that mid credit scene felt like one of those MCU end credit scenes when a he...
the difference is they actually follow up on what they teased 
instead of greenlighting like ten billion films at once
pale basin
Amy having any badass moment is one of the best part over her
grim cedar
And you can tell by the influences these movies are getting from others out there
Metal Sonic having a Terminator like entrance, Amy having her Superhero entrance
pale basin
But I do hope this means something over Metal Sonic because maaaaan
Metal Sonic deserves this SO much
A horribly underutilized sonic villain
grim cedar
Im sure Movie 4 is going to utilize Metal Sonic in such a way, That he becomes more memorable, and they do stuff with him that will wow a lot of people.