#Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation
glossy sphinx
lunar trench
Heh, i knew i could count on you pin
loud zinc
we allowed to send 4chan leaks here?
prime hearth
yes but at the same time you shouldn't because 90% of the time they suck and are bad
zinc spear
yes but at the same time you shouldn't because 90% of the time they suck and are...
True but it's something to laugh at
prime hearth
bayo combat feels like the biggest red flag with this one lol, I do not see that happening somehow
zinc spear
Critically speaking it sounds like a mess
prime hearth
that being said I can absolutely 100% see forces OCs stuck in as npcs given like
zinc spear
Oh and 'lost 8th chaos emerald'. need I even say anything?
prime hearth
everything since forces lmao
raw osprey
that being said I can absolutely 100% see forces OCs stuck in as npcs given like
i mean if next game has npcs its def gonna forces ones
it just makes sense
also how is bro knows all areas if he only played the first one
strange estuary
I'm not ready for debates about how many emeralds there are again
strange estuary
that being said I can absolutely 100% see forces OCs stuck in as npcs given like
Do the IDW background characters count? I think they're a bit more unique than actual Forces OCs
prime hearth
see, I would debunk it based on the 8th emerald if it wasn’t for the fact we just got a game about the creators of the chaos emeralds and how they originally came from space
what I think instead debunks it is sonic cd time travel which lol, lmao, lmfao even
silent haven
I'm not ready for debates about how many emeralds there are again
well in sonic 1 there's 6, but after there's 7
zinc spear
see, I *would* debunk it based on the 8th emerald if it wasn’t for the fact we j...
Still feels like the laziest possible retcon to follow that up
strange estuary
well in sonic 1 there's 6, but after there's 7
And after, there's 8 because of Fighters
cunning echo
Wasn't there an 8th emerald fang found or something
smoky summit
ill send it still
Good attempt, but fake
The way it's written is too piggybacking off of how Sonic Rangers leaks were written without having the same brazen-ness as those leaks
humble drum
well in sonic 1 there's 6, but after there's 7
Say that again
fossil echo
this one isnt too bad
Nah it reeks of sonic twitters knower bullet points
I remember when they were circulating around saying stuff like it be a mix of frontiers and cd and something else I forgot
glossy sphinx
he's literally the person who said that btw
fossil echo
rugged otter
Can't wait for the inevitable leak where you travel around the world and instead of cyberspace you go inside books
fossil echo
I know its one of yall that post that shit its too obvious
glossy sphinx
#+#(@! I just said which one of us 🤬
glossy sphinx
Can't wait for the inevitable leak where you travel around the world and instead...
https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493
smoky summit
Like I just noticed that fake leaks are very uncreative
Sometimes they try to do something weird Sonic Rose, but even then, they start talking about stage names and about the villain and story overview
Which is just not what a tester would focus on
last idol
My favourite genre is when they mention something hyper specific that definately wouldn’t appear in a playtest and would only be recognisable to sonic fans but then pretend like they don’t know what it is
prime hearth
was about to say that lmao, it’s like that one clip of Toby fox speaking in fluent Japanese and then he goes TouHou Project in a crisp American accent in the middle of the sentence
rugged otter
These things almost come off like stealth wishlists
prime hearth
uhhhh I dunno guys there’s this grassy kinda plain and some standard platforming and Professor Pickle and I think I saw some coins to collect too-
smoky summit
No no no
That's not how they do it
uhhhh I dunno guys there’s this grassy kinda plain and some standard platforming and an old man called Professor Pickle and I think I saw some coins to collect too-
wide portal
replace “professor pickle” with “some asshole who calls himself cucumber” and you can get away with it
rugged otter
i just played this hedgehog game but idk looked like a cat and he ran around this desert that featured floating rings and bouncy objects, at the end there's some guy from Tails Skypatrol you have to face off against but idk who they are
past matrix
The thing about the first play tests "leaks" for frontiers is that they READ like a actual Playtest due to have bare/minimal the information is, and was less of having all these...cohesive details on everything.
past matrix
The thing about the first play tests "leaks" for frontiers is that they READ lik...
I don't know why I put it in quotes.
smoky summit
Like ghost girl, forest, fog, titan, spin cycle, open world
It all sounded very out there
rugged otter
The thing about the first play tests "leaks" for frontiers is that they READ lik...
yeah it sounded more believable and even though likely there's more interest in sonic than around then, I doubt it'd be enough for random playtesters to be familiar with certain terms or characters that aren't Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Eggman/Robotnik, Shadow, Rings and Green Hill
past matrix
Just read like something different than you'd expect
That to
To much stuff feels to fan catered/in-the know, unless SEGA is getting casual fans in there to play it for like..8 hours, enough to get story details, the cast, the setting, etc.
smoky summit
Also like
rugged otter
inb4 the leaks now go in the extreme opposite direction and they all sound like "i played the new sonic with floating gold objects and some bald guy was there"
smoky summit
They talk about the things they wouldn't necessarily need to know and the things they should actually know about they just dismiss
For example
Those old leakers knew exactly what the spin cycle does because they played it so much
This person mentions a swing mechanic existing
Then says they couldn't find a use for it???
cunning echo
it says they couldnt use it in the open world 😭
strange estuary
Then says they couldn't find a use for it???
Horrible tester
smoky summit
Ok
1- Why do you remember it if it was so pointless and you only saw it in the tutorial text
2- What is even the point of bringing it up
3- yes, horrible tester
rocky leaf
I should go make a fake 4chan leak
strange estuary
Let's all make one so we can never find out what the real leaks are
rugged otter
ok ok, it has to contain any mention of Gemerl
strange estuary
I'd probably do it if I actually knew where these leaks even are
I don't want to mess with 4whateverchan
prime hearth
I’d do it if it wasn’t for the catch of “going on 4chan”
yea same
ain’t touching that shit with a ten foot pole
rocky leaf
they're busy posting this
past matrix
Seriously though.
If I’ve just been following threads of educated wishes/guesses out of the speculative part of my charitable heart, I’m gonna do something strange.
loud zinc
If I’ve just been following threads of educated wishes/guesses out of the specul...
I’ve been following it too
hybrid hill
ai generated sonic leaks
loud zinc
ai generated sonic games
hybrid hill
ai generated sonic games
ember junco
torn trench
So did anyone from Team LinkedIn mention the WuWa collab leak?
past matrix
WuWa?
cunning echo
wuthering waves
past matrix
Oooh, anime thing-y.
wise chasm
other than the liveries - not really, no
fossil echo
Oooh, anime thing-y.
gacha game
also more people memeing that wuwa gonna get hit with the p5 collab > EOS true combo
😭
torn trench
It will be the only one to stand tall
hybrid hill
these waves are withering
torn trench
these waves are withering
Spectre, hop on
They're getting motorcycles in like 5 days
hybrid hill
But I need to finish zenless….
torn trench
"I need to finish an online service game"
toxic vapor
3 more days
stiff salmon
we're sacrificing ur soul btw
lavish iron
3 more days
I’m still confused about the ears
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
3 more days
this deadass feels like a parody drawing
raw osprey
ai generated sonic games
strange estuary
Sonic Heroes did a much better delivery
glossy sphinx
oh well
don't get your expectations up guys there might not be a trailer y'know!
raw osprey
(2017 actually)
raw osprey
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh ig but its still pretty much the same aside from quiils
forces is really dif
still epoch
Right
strange estuary
(they still gonna use it in spin offs)
If it means they get to use it for the next mainline games, sure
I don't really care about the model in spin-offs
strange estuary
More model discourse for us
glossy sphinx
raw osprey
What if it doesn't change
prime hearth
the most likely scenario: it’ll be a “new” model but since it’s based off the exact same styleguides it’ll look just like the previous one 
past matrix
Anything, with updated/up to date techniques like recently? I think would make some very good looking models.
cunning echo
the most likely scenario: it’ll be a “new” model but since it’s based off the ex...
Pretty much
glossy sphinx
the most likely scenario: it’ll be a “new” model but since it’s based off the ex...
hell yeah
lunar trench
What if it doesn't change
Animation will always be more important 
raw osprey
yeah but honestly last games did not have animation problem
like yea shadow gens can still be better but like it has a great animation
grand cobalt
that thing about sonic fans ignoring shadow gens’ existence whenever having a debate is actually true
whole ass thing about how bad sonic animation is and not a single person brought up the game because it doesn’t squash and stretch constantly or something
raw osprey
i heard someone said that game is good but its not fully "fixing" problems of series and thats why people ignore it in conversations
strange estuary
People bring up the scrapped animation test a lot
prime hearth
you can def tell they’re gearing up for better animation in-engine given how the new bits of animation in sonic gens (still stuck in HE1) look a world away from anything in shadow gens lol
certified Amy cupcakes moment 
raw osprey
like yea shadow gens can still be better but like it has a great animation
again the only negative thing you could say about shadow gens animation is that in game ones are still reused most of from forces and they look pretty stiff compare to new ones
grand cobalt
I agree but most of the discussion is surrounding cutscenes
prime hearth
yea, I think when it comes to gameplay they’re prioritising snappiness over flashiness and that approach is working decently tbh
it’s the cutscenes that needed the work most and you can feel that gradually improving game by game
past matrix
Shadow Gens presentation is VERY underrated
everytime I replay it, and the intro of the space colony ark in the past plays; that shit is a VAST improvement over frontiers, to the point I almost thought it was CG.
glossy sphinx
weren't the main story cutscenes outsourced or sum
prime hearth
the bit after the biolizard boss when he watches the rest of the map spawn in and does his little hmph sniff, so good
lil details like that are what make the difference
raw osprey
rewatched shadow gens cutscenes and i need them to keep changing lighting to fit mood of cutscenes in frontiers 2 like they did here it looks really good
(its not gonna happen because frontiers 2 is probably gonna have day/night cycle but i can dream)
glossy sphinx
rewatched shadow gens cutscenes and i need them to keep changing lighting to fit...
true I love that stuff
past matrix
the bit after the biolizard boss when he watches the rest of the map spawn in an...
the focus on subtlety is something I very much appreciate it throughout.
raw osprey
rewatched shadow gens cutscenes and i need them to keep changing lighting to fit...
maria talks about how shadow will help you find the light and you can literally see light behind her ooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhh
prime hearth
massive leap in cinematography in both frontiers and shadow gens, yea
proper shot blocking does so much to help em
stiff salmon
rewatched shadow gens cutscenes and i need them to keep changing lighting to fit...
i stg if kishimoto goes back to the back cinema bars for frontiers 2 ill kms
grand cobalt
be ready for it !!!
strange estuary
Don't forget the one randomly stretched cutscene
strange estuary
These leakers are slacking
strange estuary
wheat kindle
there is no leak because there are no news
We are getting the Mario anniversary only for next year
strange estuary
Guess we'll just die then
wheat kindle
Maybe there is no Frontiers 2, Sonic will be a DLC character for the next Mario game and that's how Sonic fans will celebrate the anniversary
raw osprey
tbf this whole tga did not have many leaks
wheat kindle
leakers have forgotten about SEGA
lavish iron
the most likely scenario: it’ll be a “new” model but since it’s based off the ex...
I’d give it some unique features
zinc spear
(its not gonna happen because frontiers 2 is probably gonna have day/night cycle...
Hmmmm I think there's ways they can work around that. If the environment itself for example were to react to the time of day (i.e. maybe in the night time there's some plant life or stuff that lights up)
Or hell maybe in one of the regions, it's always night time
still epoch
Dont we hate ramona now for some reason
raw osprey
https://xcancel.com/p0wyful/status/1997799994208948276
why are we still posting her
all her leaks are fake
forest fractal
Man who gaf im just tuning in just to see a 30 second cg teaser
raw osprey
all her leaks are fake
said miku is not in CW
literally in base roster
said chaos island is gonna be in CW
its not
past matrix
is that all her leaks
coarse ferry
Yeah I wouldn't really put any trust in her
stiff salmon
its like a crossworld
silent haven
idrc she was still obviously in whatever inner circles ended up getting the spongebob/paramount leaks back when that happened
i'll still take twitter leaker that got some shit wrong and some shit right over 4chan posts
strange estuary
If they have some credibility, I'm fine with that
past matrix
And I think she clarified the miku in cw thing anyway.
but again, I do take things with salt either way.
despite ‘being all in’.
raw osprey
is that all her leaks
she also say p6 is gonna be announce at TGA 2024
modest parcel
The only credible leak she’s had so far has been the SpongeBob stuff, and that was related to the server data leak that rumble was a part of
Now that that’s dried up it’s not like there’s anything more
coarse ferry
Then yeah not worth listening to
hybrid hill
pretty sure that didn’t even come from her, she just got her hands on it 
past matrix
she also say p6 is gonna be announce at TGA 2024
strange estuary
Isn't that just something every leaker does
modest parcel
I really don’t give the benefit of the doubt to the direction said leakers go where they use that one leak, then apply an insider tone to everything they say afterwards
hybrid hill
yes can we get these frauds out of my chat 
hybrid hill
I really don’t give the benefit of the doubt to the direction said leakers go wh...
NO LITERALKY
strange estuary
You're in the leaker chat, nerd
hybrid hill
like dude
modest parcel
Usually the legit people just say their piece on what’s coming, and then act normal for everything else
hybrid hill
they can’t even say no when they dont know anything
they have to pull the most roundabout thing up their ass for an answer 😭😭
modest parcel
Exactly
past matrix
I really don’t give the benefit of the doubt to the direction said leakers go wh...
yeah, that’s fair.
modest parcel
It’s a transparent play for clout and I’m not really going to be towing the line for that when it’s that transparent
It’s what aspiring leakers do, as history has shown, but
modest parcel
It’s what aspiring leakers do, as history has shown, but
Doesnt mean we have to like the genre of aspiring leaker accounts 😭
still epoch
uekewa
wide portal
>said miku is not in CW
literally in base roster
>said chaos island is gonna be ...
Okay but the miku thing was in response to the person who first started posting the spongebob stuff publicly saying she was in the game alongside kasane teto for the lols 😭
smoky summit
https://x.com/p0wyful/status/1997801159806132466?s=20
I feel like these are kinda... Boneheaded statements idk 😭
Does anything worthwhile ever get a new trailer in January
past matrix
raw osprey
https://x.com/p0wyful/status/1997801159806132466?s=20
im talking about tweet from last year
raw osprey
pretty sure that didn’t even come from her, she just got her hands on it <:IdkWh...
she still post it
glossy sphinx
wow really
smoky summit
And how like
past matrix
They started ralking about sega updating the Sonic model
certainly isn’t the only one
past matrix
certainly isn’t the only one
which is why I gotta hunt down the “knowers” if nothing happens.
smoky summit
I hope they put the usual cg model or the frontiers model in there just to spite them 
And then update it later
wide portal
Terminator Justin 😭
smoky summit
Unfortunately I think I can confidently say their well of leaked documents has run fairly dry
Ofc there's stuff that was never shown publicly
But I think everything is from 2023
hybrid hill
It's hinted at in job listings
funny how that turned out to be something related to sionc and friends 😭
smoky summit
Lmfao
Well regardless
It's all bs
Tbh with you guys the only hint as far as the model goes is Kishimoto responding to comments
But like
All other signs point to nothing significant changing
hybrid hill
funny how that turned out to be something related to sionc and friends 😭
i was referring to the that one 3d artist job listing btw
glossy sphinx
Tbh with you guys the only hint as far as the model goes is Kishimoto responding...
exactly they're just on that #hopium
glossy sphinx
i was referring to the that one 3d artist job listing btw
people setting up the sonic art Twitter heads to go apply just for them to start working on Sonic and friends merch
coarse ferry
Which ngl I didn't like that kind of behavior they are acting now
raw osprey
people were talking so much about that job listing even tho they already have like 9 character supervisors
smoky summit
Usually what is going on with collabs and side games is a good indicator of what to expect
And we've had Sonic Rumble which is like
Chibi LW/Forces style
Every collab uses some form of the current model
Crossworlds uses the Olympics body with the Frontiers head just to add insult to injury lmao
Shadow Gens uses the Frontiers model
glossy sphinx
it's so over 💔💔💔
smoky summit
Speed Sim do their own models but like... That shit is hardly an indicator of anything it's barely official passing
raw osprey
again i think we need to think did they gonna update CGI model as a whole or just in game one
wide portal
Well yeah if you have yet to update the general model direction you’re gonna use what’s already there to begin with, they’re not gonna lay the groundwork for new stuff in rumble of all things
wide portal
if they’re gonna debut new models, said models will debut with the reveal of a new game
smoky summit
They started using the Frontiers model for CGI too sometimes
And in renders
So it's like
Ok
raw osprey
well only time they use was in shadow gens trailer
zinc spear
I wouldnt necessarily mind if it was just an updated one and not a new one. Like theyve just been tracing and tweaking the same model for years now anyway
glossy sphinx
if they’re gonna debut new models, said models will debut with the reveal of a n...
it's not over!!
smoky summit
Regardless everything is using the Frontiers stuff
raw osprey
in merch and all that stuff they still use marza one
smoky summit
If sega had updated models and sheets
They aren't using that as reference for 3rd parties
raw osprey
this mf appear like once but liek yeah this is just CGI frontiers sonic
wide portal
something something sit back and observe™ something something #timewilltell
glossy sphinx
seriously tho I imagine they'd leave the big changes to the actual mainline game y'know 😭
glossy sphinx
something something sit back and observe™ something something #timewilltell
3 days will tell
wide portal
obligatory CGWorld article for the cutscene test mention, they explicitly pointed out wanting to improve the animation capabilities of the characters
raw osprey
again i think we need to think did they gonna update CGI model as a whole or jus...
again what i wanted to say is if they update CGI model it means you gonna change how sonic looks in lik everything starting from merch to just collabs and all that
like you they gonna change how public sees sonic
but with in game one..............nothing gonna change
mario is basically like that
raw osprey
wonder and world using very dif models but on box art its jsut your typical mario model
glossy sphinx
yep
smoky summit
wonder and world using very dif models but on box art its jsut your typical mari...
Classic/Modern moment
past matrix
For the love of god, get Tyson to assist with an rig.
wide portal
I’m a strong proponent of the Karasuno Agenda since Shadow Gens
past matrix
He is an 3d artist/is in the know about that stuff.
wide portal
Maria is just directly lifted from her sonic channel work, so I imagine any new models will be the same + hopefully some modern uekawa influence
smoky summit
Save us Ohshima
raw osprey
It would just be based from Yui probably
atp its gonna be yui maybe modern uekawa
one of this two
lavish iron
Yuji also
lavish iron
Maria is just directly lifted from her sonic channel work, so I imagine any new ...
Probably Sage
past matrix
He is an 3d artist/is in the know about that stuff.
he’s worked on 3 feature films, assisted in creating each character, etc. He should not be relegated to fucking tailstube episodes & lore organizing.
glossy sphinx
he’s worked on 3 feature films, assisted in creating each character, etc. He sho...
W sonic team
wide portal
Good thing he literally got too busy to do tailstube anymore
lavish iron
one of this two
I would say Evan Stanley but idk
past matrix
just got jumpscared by a jeff fowler tweet notification
but it was a retweet of some baseball players doing the robotnik dance or somthn
raw osprey
I would say Evan Stanley but idk
welllllllllllllllllllllllllll
yeaaaaaaaaaa why nooooooooooooooot
lavish iron
Or someone people that are getting hired in Japan
past matrix
I will say that Evan Stanley has a very good sense of dimension for their style.
strange estuary
yeaaaaaaaaaa why nooooooooooooooot
What's wrong...
dusty osprey
I will say that Evan Stanley has a very good sense of dimension for their style.
Its my favorite part of her art
lavish iron
I love Stanley’s art because she’s a person that gave Sonic his eyelashes back
raw osprey
welllllllllll i like evan sonic
its just that when i can have model based on yui or uekawa i would rather choose them
past matrix
I do think that Yui would be the best choice, just based on franchise art style relevance.
That and Maria’s design nearly being 1 to 1 with hers; it just makes sense in my mind.
strange estuary
Tbh, I'm really afraid they're gonna change nearly nothing for Frontiers 2
zinc spear
again what i wanted to say is if they update CGI model it means you gonna change...
Come to think do they necessarily need cg stuff anymore?
strange estuary
Maybe just some random model adjustments like they've done for the past games
past matrix
That is a likelihood
raw osprey
Come to think do they necessarily need cg stuff anymore?
no but you jsut know they gonna announce game with it
zinc spear
Thats a given of course, i guess I more mean in game
strange estuary
I'll bet on them increasing Sonic's quill lengths and nothing else
wise chasm
puh
strange estuary
What
past matrix
For a full cast of characters, and as much as a lot of things can get done in the span of 4 years; I can also see a reality where they just settle on tweaking them mildly for less material usage, than starting from the ground up.
But I also see a reality where they do go for that visual refresh fully because of the investment put into sonic team as an company now more than ever.
(along with being more willing to listen to fan voices)
lavish iron
I’m also just hoping that they’ll give sonic a slight redesign for the proportions and the shaping. Maybe add some cool detail
zinc spear
I mean yeah sega's pushing to make their proper comeback, and be a big deal again.
If they're putting faith and budget into all those revivals thennnnn surely somethings gotta show for sonic definitely cope
strange estuary
Thats a given of course, i guess I more mean in game
Nope
past matrix
But I also see a reality where they do go for that visual refresh fully because ...
They’ve got one step in the door on seeing the limitations in their past workflow of animating these characters, and wanting to innovate and push what they can do going forwards; I think their general looks will have to come into view also pushing the needle.
lavish iron
I’m also just hoping that they’ll give sonic a slight redesign for the proportio...
Instead of the quills being shorten, they could just curved them more
zinc spear
I remember seeing a tweet about the positioning of them
And yeah, can admit that does make a pretty significant difference
lavish iron
strange estuary
I can't care for his quills, honestly
His body proportions matter a lot more IMO
cunning echo
Speed Sim do their own models but like... That shit is hardly an indicator of an...
Speed sim uses the same character style guide now, but sometimes they modify a little bit
Like with the adventure skins
But they're pretty much just using gens design
hybrid hill
I’m sure they’re going to deliver 😤
Everything points to it
Whether it’s just going to be just small tweaks to the existing one or something completely new, I think there’ll be a new model.
#InKishiWeTrust
cunning echo
either way
even if its the same frontiers model
if the animations are good looking
smoky summit
I'm now recalling that like
fossil echo
this mf appear like once but liek yeah this is just CGI frontiers sonic
I wouldnt mind if they just went with this style for a couple years
smoky summit
I still trust pretty much every other director to pull together a better game than Kishimoto 😭
But the hope is that the team can carry this time
hybrid hill
I think they just need a focused vision
smoky summit
Focused 5 senses
fossil echo
I think they just need a focused vision
They have one, everyone just agrees its booty asscheeks tho and wants it to change
smoky summit
I wouldnt mind if they just went with this style for a couple years
What style, it's just the Frontiers model with weird lighting
hybrid hill
I think they just need a focused vision
Frontiers didn’t know what it want to be until waaay later in its development.
ShGens is pretty much just a refined Frontiers, so for me at least, the bare minimum is something ShGens offered.
fossil echo
What style, it's just the Frontiers model with weird lighting
Yeah, just go with different materials plus better animation will do a world of different to differentiate from the 2010s style
Including the shading
hybrid hill
But I had this convo before, and Kishimoto would definitely love to experiment. I dont think it’s going to be trial and error like Frontiers tho
fossil echo
That animation, the Mc laren ad, the rumble one, shadow gens, the crossworlds one, i fuck with em
hybrid hill
But I had this convo before, and Kishimoto would definitely love to experiment. ...
They have a foundation and they refined it. They’re prolly going to add to it if anything.
smoky summit
Also none of those are indicators of how the game would actually look it's all ch
Cg
fossil echo
And I point back to exhibit A and B. The shadow gens test animations. Especially the one with the really stretchy sonic in a forest or something
That already looks pretty close to those new cg trailers they've been putting out, especially the spin animation on sonic
Makes me wonder 👀
If they just opt to make the game cutscenes be kinda similar, im fine with it
Or in game models
strange estuary
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303441943833088134/1447670538981085345/i...
Wait, he actually said all this?
Maybe it's not all so bleak, then...
cunning echo
And I point back to exhibit A and B. The shadow gens test animations. Especially...
it wasn't a forest, it was seaside hill from all stars racing
fossil echo
Okay my point still stands
cunning echo
if they try to make cutscenes look like the mclaren cgi, I wouldnt mind honestly
Its more floaty, it works fine
fossil echo
I'm just saying, the shit theyre experimenting with from those tests dont look too different from what theyre doing with the new cgi trailers and vids they do
I dont see why they couldnt emulate that kind of looks for the games
Its feasible
mint umbra
I think the main difference really is just in the lighting/mats, and the mouth rig
Otherwise ingame cutscene animation in frontiers or shadow gens is pretty on-par with the CG for those games
fossil echo
Yeah I think that makes all the difference in what people actually mean by "new model" they just want something that doesn't have the fugly 2010s lighting and stiffness
Which can be solved by more fluid animation and different mats/lighting
mint umbra
Nah I still think people want to see actual differences in proportions
Like, personally, I do lol
I think you can improve what we have 1000X with better animation, rigging and lighting, but it's not gonna be 100% there if you don't fix the issues with the base
fossil echo
Like, personally, I do lol
I do too, but im thinking more from the perspective of the sonic community that's in on the nitpicking but not to the finer nitty gritty details
Like i think a vast majority of complainers would be fine with the small adjustments I mentioned
lavish iron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1303441943833088134/1447670538981085345/i...
There’s other artists being hired by Sonic Team, who knows what they’re cooking
fossil echo
I'd like a complete overhaul but I dunno if they have it in them to switch all their marketing assets like that completely and for so many characters
mint umbra
Side note, ignoring the weird skin material, I really love the fur from this test and hope they use something like this material next game
cunning echo
I dont really like when is super shiny like that
I kinda like when it looks like
soft
but wobble
idk how to explain it 😭
but like the cgi ones tha tuse frontiers model
like this
I just wish the fur was a lil more detailed
like in the pic nidio sent
mint umbra
The main difference between what I sent and frontiers is the fur being shiny
But it's entirely a positive imo
I like it
Especially compared to the frontiers fur, which has literally NO specular. Literally no specular at all like there's no specular in the shader, you can't even mod his fur to be specular without switching the shader to another type
strange estuary
Side note, ignoring the weird skin material, I really love the fur from this tes...
Wow, I've never seen this animation test
Is this the full thing
His fur looks kind of wet to me
mint umbra
Nah, it's a test for shadow gens
Uhhh lemme see if I can find the full thing
It's for squash and stretch/smearing shaders they were testing for UE5 before they decided to make the game in HE2
strange estuary
Okay, that's a lot more wonky than I expected lol
Really testing it to the limits
I really like the last half tho
past matrix
in the article, I think they pretty much said that it was something they’d continue to explore/wouldn’t drop this tech just because it didn’t get implemented for shadow gens, so that’s neat.
mint umbra
Yeah, highly doubt it'd be used to this extreme of an extent in any sort of finalized animation lol
mint umbra
in the article, I think they pretty much said that it was something they’d conti...
Yeah, personally betting on this tech being utilized in frontiers 2
strange estuary
It would be crazy as hell to see this in an actual game
This smear effect
Wait, could they replicate these effects in HE2?
mint umbra
https://youtu.be/oDn2KhZ_qNc?si=zf8g0v72gWxzoejN I think this test shows what this tech will more likely actually look like
mint umbra
Wait, could they replicate these effects in HE2?
Yeah, iirc they already did in shadow gens dev before still scrapping it for that specific project
There was a test where they used it on the doom wing transformations cutscene
mint umbra
smoky summit
And I point back to exhibit A and B. The shadow gens test animations. Especially...
I'll be real, that test looked horrible. The only saving graces was that it had potential and this was just a little test. It was pretty bad
mint umbra
I mean it looked bad but it was literally just testing the tech
It was never meant to be what a final product would look like
untold kayak
Normally the tests are like that
still epoch
https://youtu.be/oDn2KhZ_qNc?si=zf8g0v72gWxzoejN I think this test shows what th...
They have a model with bigger quills grrrrr
past matrix
Yeah, I don’t think their main goal was to be presentable to the general public with it as much as just seeing what it does at its most pushed limits.
strange estuary
They all look really wonky, but I think they do get across the potential of what it could do
smoky summit
But a big reason of why it looked bad isn't because of the tech
It's because he still looks stiff as balls lmao
mint umbra
The timing in that animation test is entirely off even without the squash and stretch, significantly worse than anything that's been in a sonic game for the past decade
smoky summit
Like that leaping jump in that 1 part
mint umbra
I mean that's less "stiffness" and moreso just
smoky summit
His legs are so straight it's painful
mint umbra
Bad animation timing
past matrix
yeah
untold kayak
Mhm, but again it's not meant to be a fleshed out, refined animation
untold kayak
its just an idea to test capacities of the technology
wise chasm
But man is it worth
adding 2 more years to mainline sonic game development as we speak
🗿
strange estuary
Noo
mint umbra
There's a few cutscenes in frontiers which have some really satisfying character acting, I reckon that if those same animators got a more flexible brow/mouth rig, those smearing tools, and maybe an actual storyboard, we could be getting some good shit
strange estuary
I agree
dawn pumice
I wanna see more of mocap
strange estuary
Although, I still hope we can get new models while we're at it... Animation alone can't do it, tbh
dawn pumice
Shadow gen’s mocap was pretty good
mint umbra
For humans sure
dawn pumice
Fw it heavy
mint umbra
But whenever shadow uses mocap it looks so off
Those proportions just don't work with human mocap imo
strange estuary
They... used motion capture?
strange estuary
Like in which cutscenes
mint umbra
It's probably most noticeable in the cutscene where shadow meets Maria again
And she hugs him
https://youtu.be/q5PcY0t7AXg?si=pSGBsm4mC7n9I-ou about 1:22 here
Most of the time it's not super noticeable because it's been HEAVILY touched up
More than unleashed, which is good
But I still prefer entirely hand animated movement for sonic characters
strange estuary
Hm, I don't think I mind it if that's the case. I can feel it a little bit, but it's far off from the average Unleashed/'06 cutscene
mint umbra
Yeah it's a big improvement
BUTTT frontiers' best hand animated cutscenes look better
strange estuary
Of course
mint umbra
They have that stylized cartoony timing
lavish iron
The hand shape from the jet render are like a better choice
strange estuary
The hand shape from the jet render are like a better choice
They're shaped like actual hands, lol
still epoch
https://youtu.be/1StIt1ULA-M?si=6yRB280eRcwDU76k
This is one of my favorite cutscenes since sonic unleashed lmao
lavish iron
They're shaped like actual hands, lol
I like the hands like that
As long as they’re not too human
still epoch
This is one of my favorite cutscenes since sonic unleashed lmao
Its just so simple and short but its a pretty decent dialogue and body gesture
wide portal
https://youtu.be/1StIt1ULA-M?si=6yRB280eRcwDU76k
strange estuary
As long as they’re not too human
Have... hands ever looked like that in any other render?
I don't want to get off-topic but it gets me curious
lavish iron
Have... hands ever looked like that in any other render?
Idk because the models hand are kinda bubbly usually
cunning echo
the one thing I hate from fromtiers eyebrows is this 😭
strange estuary
the one thing I hate from fromtiers eyebrows is this 😭
That's just the model, isn't it?
lavish iron
It’s might because of how thick his brows are
strange estuary
Man...
mint umbra
No, it's because the eyebrows are just kinda limited in rigging
mint umbra
There's 2 bones for the 2 tops of the eyes, 1 for the middle, and a general forehead control (which is used in that cutscene, making that weird fold in the eye)
If there was like
2 bones for every side + that middle control, with an additional buttbrow shapekey control + the forehead control, it'd be peak...
strange estuary
Is there a reason the rigging is like that to begin with?
mint umbra
I think they I just wanted to simplify the rig for easier use for animators, but it kinda ended up hurting the flexibility
Unleashed/gens had those 2 additional eyebrow bones, but forces onwards removed them and added the forehead bone
And to be clear, I think the forehead bone is actually really nice, it works well
But it should be an addition to a detailed eyebrow rig, instead of a compromise to have some degree of control while simplifying it
cunning echo
No, it's because the eyebrows are just kinda limited in rigging
that's the one thing I don't like from the animation test thing
is like, yeah is cool
but they could also just make their rig better
mint umbra
Nah, there's actual benefits to using shader-based deformation
That you couldn't get with a rig
IE those smears
glossy sphinx
But I had this convo before, and Kishimoto would definitely love to experiment. ...
my man spectre with the assist
glossy sphinx
Yeah, personally betting on this tech being utilized in frontiers 2
I mean that iiis what they said
glossy sphinx
https://youtu.be/3lEc9RifFIc?si=a539YGBkxbu2Iay7
I really love the ripple effects here
a lot of versatility with this tech
fossil echo
I'll be real, that test looked horrible. The only saving graces was that it had ...
I think its just not you understanding what's being tested here and why it looks like that. Its "stiff" because there's no proper timing on any of the actions, the purpose is to showcase the model deformations at extremes
glossy sphinx
https://youtu.be/1StIt1ULA-M?si=6yRB280eRcwDU76k
where's the black bars ?
this is unwatchable...
fossil echo
Its not a potential animation, its not trying to be a proper animation in the first place
untold kayak
Its not a potential animation, its not trying to be a proper animation in the fi...
Yeah, it's a test of what can be done for animation
rather than an animation on itself
basically
it's testing brushes to do a painting
but not doing a proper painting
past matrix
all this betting on souls is gonna cancel out the manifestation of seeing new models.
strange estuary
Out of all things I'd bet my soul on, it wouldn't be new models
smoky summit
I think its just not you understanding what's being tested here and why it looks...
I have problems with the key poses not the bouncing
That's not the tech
fossil echo
They not even putting that much effort into the key poses to begin with tho
smoky summit
I mean
They are
And also
If the model was better they wouldn't even need to put the effort posing it to make it look good
fossil echo
Tobe you're giving me a headache 😭
wise chasm
I don't think anyone is supposed to care how something in the test looks that's not the point of the actual test
prime hearth
If the model was better they wouldn't even need to put the effort posing it to m...
"if the women were more beautiful playboy magazine would only be full of them t-posing instead of in sultry positions"
grand cobalt
zinc spear
https://youtu.be/1StIt1ULA-M?si=6yRB280eRcwDU76k
Seriously the more I watch these sage cutscenes the more I wish we got actual bossfights with her
humble drum
Seriously the more I watch these sage cutscenes the more I wish we got actual bo...
yes I too would like to fight a child
zinc spear
It'd be more interesting than the usual
"hey whats your deal?"
"there is no point in telling you"
"ok nvm"
strange estuary
Weird how we didn't
glossy sphinx
yes I too would like to fight a child
we get to fight tails in SA2!
repeat the formula
still epoch
Sage would be a great metroid boss
humble drum
X
zinc spear
Weird how we didn't
ngl I think it would've worked as a decent introduction to combat
toxic vapor
still epoch
I hope my aim at a new sonic game is not complain about sonics same design flaws in his model 😭
zinc spear
Oh no there'll still be shit to complain about don't worry
I bet my....well I bet my something on it?
glossy sphinx
https://x.com/roxochixo/status/1998139590037971327
I literally came here to post this 😭😭thank you
good thing we don't gotta worry about that tho!
the new designs are on their way!
still epoch
I hope my aim at a new sonic game is not complain about sonics same design flaws...
I hope my thoughts are
WOW NEW SONIC AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE BEST EVER
And not something like
they STILL HAVE HIS EYES TOO FAR APART AND THE DEAD EYED LOOK AND CHUBBY BANANA QUILLS
toxic vapor
I hope my aim at a new sonic game is not complain about sonics same design flaws...
They make a new model and it’s worse lmao
toxic vapor
they STILL HAVE HIS EYES TOO FAR APART AND THE DEAD EYED LOOK AND CHUBBY BANANA ...
If you have these thoughts it’s not a bad thing to be disappointed at or to dislike smth
prime hearth
all these arguments over new models when we're absolutely getting a marza prerendered trailer and those have consistently had the same model since like
forever lmao
glossy sphinx
https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849
I'm ready.
prime hearth
o right the thing's this thursday innit
glossy sphinx
all these arguments over new models when we're absolutely getting a marza preren...
absolutely
still epoch
all these arguments over new models when we're absolutely getting a marza preren...
Which i rather have than the changes they did, all yucky all bad
toxic vapor
forever lmao
Actually Shadow Gens used the Forces model in CG
And since Superstars they’ve ditched Marza Classic Sonic
Crossworlds though… yeah
lavish iron
https://x.com/roxochixo/status/1998139590037971327
But unless there wasn’t finna be a trailer at all
past matrix
I can’t not comprehend the idea of marza animating with any other sonic model (excluding movie sonic) for the games material, because of them having to use the ones we’ve had for so long.
still epoch
The cute tails car short thing had a good model tho
past matrix
The cute tails car short thing had a good model tho
the company lying about using ai one, yeah
it was neat, they utilizied animation & posing strengths.
grand cobalt
Actually Shadow Gens used the Forces model in CG
glossy sphinx
ermm this is only 1 of the CG's
toxic vapor
Launch trailer
glossy sphinx
also lord Sonic's posing here is... amazing!
grand cobalt
the assumption is about a potential game’s reveal trailer right
glossy sphinx
maybe
grand cobalt
marza are usually on those
glossy sphinx
this is them keeping the style consistent with the original generations opening btw
past matrix
I could live with the models a little bit longer if they could be animated on the same level as those CG productions, which I suppose that squash and stretch tool is another step towards in terms of that emphasis.
glossy sphinx
well I mean, it's not like it evolved much since then anyways
past matrix
I could live with the models a little bit longer if they could be animated on th...
that and at this point, it’s a decade too late for me to want these models to stick around with this mindset.
franchise needs a fresh style any damn way.
grand cobalt
model this model that can they get better skeletons
glossy sphinx
model this model that can they get better skeletons
grand cobalt
(they’ll only do one)
past matrix
franchise needs a fresh style any damn way.
Gimme some of that good good
glossy sphinx
speaking of that I hope they don't use the deformation as a shortcut 👀👀👀
glossy sphinx
(they’ll only do one)
absolutely
zinc spear
they have so many talented artists that they could have draw stuff, to base the models on.
Like, Tyson literally designed the new movie sonic sooooo why can't him or someone else help out a bit or smth
zinc spear
Or yeah Yui Karasuno, that's a good choice too
lavish iron
Deegeemin?
glossy sphinx
Yui Kurasano Sonic with muzzle curve and circle belly
you're crazy man
that would never happen
nothing ever happens
this is Sega that we're talking about
why would we ever get new designs?
zinc spear
Deegeemin?
oooooo wait they did the mosth right?
lavish iron
Yeah
wide portal
best of all none of that damned constant ASS BROWWWW
good shit
lavish iron
best of all none of that damned constant ASS BROWWWW
Would you look at that
Eyelashes
zinc spear
Will say though, tan eyelids are the way to go imo
I feel like it would help with the expression readability
lavish iron
why would we ever get new designs?
Might as well get slight ones
glossy sphinx
~~Will say though, tan eyelids are the way to go imo~~
I used to be against them but now I fw them alot
mainly depends on the skin color tho
glossy sphinx
Might as well get slight ones
nah, impossible
zinc spear
The most I realistically see is alterations
lavish iron
Yeah right, it’s gonna happen in next game or later
glossy sphinx
frontiers 2 is DEFINITELY not one of them
toxic vapor
@glossy sphinx we should do a sonic edit prediction lowkey
glossy sphinx
predict what? the same boring model?? 😂😂
whether you like it or not this next game is most likely just gonna be a more polished frontiers
lavish iron
And plus if there actually isn’t a trailer in TGA, then what?
We just freaking out for no reason
grand cobalt
lavish iron
so just lower your expectations
I wanted them to have more time
lavish iron
https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150
Let that be a Twitter thing
prime hearth
And plus if there actually isn’t a trailer in TGA, then what?
no loss as I ain’t watching the TGAs anyways lol
Bluesky
toxic vapor
@glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
hey
wide portal
<:junkosad:1429228352446664865>
very tonally appropriate emoji considering the way half your messages sound
strange estuary
what will 1 day be like
Day 0 will be the end of us
lavish iron
no loss as I ain’t watching the TGAs anyways lol
I expect intergalactic from naughty dog but nah
Another remaster
glossy sphinx
very tonally appropriate emoji considering the way half your messages sound
thank you! I try hard
prime hearth
it’s a Geoff show, it’s like 90% guff usually lol
maybe there’s a bit of sweetcorn occasionally in the turd but I ain’t fishing into the toilet bowl for it
glossy sphinx
y'know what, on @wide portal soul we're getting new designs
lavish iron
It’ll might be slight redesign with the shaping, detail or whatever
toxic vapor
y'know what, on <@247573889918566400> soul we're getting new designs
And we're getting circle belly
strange estuary
Maybe on Freeze's soul too
glossy sphinx
on plugs, freezes, and pins soul
strange estuary
What do I have to do with this...
past matrix
They really obscured sonic's face in that frontiers teaser like they were really do ling some shit.
glossy sphinx
I remember thinking we were gonna get a design or animation improvement there
good times
it was so fluid.
glossy sphinx
What do I have to do with this...
uhh you put him on the spot so it's only right to include you!
strange estuary
That means you're next for doing the same to me
wide portal
y'know what, on <@247573889918566400> soul we're getting new designs
oh now i definitely think you’re Junko Enoshima in disguise
wide portal
And we're getting circle belly
on freeze’s soul we won’t get circle belly
glossy sphinx
That means you're next for doing the same to me
glossy sphinx
jk all of our souls are actually safe!
we're gonna get those new designs in 3 days
glossy sphinx
well, yes that's what I meant
😅
assuming that the game will get shown in three days ofc
👀
who knows
sick bobcat
expectation: new Sonic model design
reality: Forces model design with a different shade of blue
silent haven
if the new designs are anything more substantial than just looking closer to what hardlight has been doing for 6 years i will literally take a shit
strange estuary
assuming that the game will get shown in three days ofc
I am expecting CGI
Having them actually show the game is just too far fetched in my mind
glossy sphinx
I already put my bingo list down (which is pretty much what im expecting)
lavish iron
I’m betting there will be none at the game award
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
I’m betting there will be none at the game award
why's that
lavish iron
For Sonic team to take time
modest parcel
humble drum
expectation: new Sonic model design
reality: Forces model design with a differen...
and it's lighter this time
silent haven
I renew the sonic central prediction
what the hell are you doing
strange estuary
For Sonic team to take time
They still could just do a 30 second CGI teaser though, couldn't they?
lavish iron
Or just a title drop
strange estuary
Or that, yeah
untold kayak
There is so much soul betting here
That I am surprised that this isn't called the Shadow Realm
glossy sphinx
Or just a title drop
hell nah 😭
humble drum
strange estuary
humble drum
my when they inject me with the green
strange estuary
I forgot to post, but relevant
modest parcel
Oh hi jona
glossy sphinx
Sonic Adventure 3
save SA3 for frontiers 3 😅
humble drum
we already have sa3
strange estuary
Wait
still epoch
THATS JONA?
humble drum
https://tenor.com/view/sonic-advance-3-sonic-sonic-advance-game-boy-advance-sunset-hill-gif-23458342
see sa3
coarse ferry
Sonic Adventure 3 and we will get Super Tails, Hyper Knuckles, and Hyper Sonic canon
wide portal
you didn’t know? 😭
strange estuary
That's Jona...
strange estuary
Damn
modest parcel
THATS JONA?
Yeah
humble drum
Sonic Adventure 3 and we will get Super Tails, Hyper Knuckles, and Hyper Sonic c...
so tails just gets screwed I see
strange estuary
Sonic Adventure 3 and we will get Super Tails, Hyper Knuckles, and Hyper Sonic c...
Whoever's souls you're betting on for this, they're never seeing the light of day ever again
coarse ferry
I mean Tails is still young
modest parcel
we already have sa3
No chao garden = not SA3
glossy sphinx
THATS JONA?
talking about the twitter?
humble drum
No chao garden = not SA3
me when I lie
still epoch
Ill never forget his hate for kirby return to dreamland deluxe outlines
strange estuary
What kind of garden is that
humble drum
too bad you get minecraft
strange estuary
I don't get the Chao Garden hype
humble drum
I get it but it's just not for me personally
still epoch
That mod is essential
humble drum
still love chao themselves though
still epoch
Chao Gameplay Mod my beloved
still epoch
SADX and SA2
coarse ferry
Chao Garden is not my thing, but I can see why people really want it back
But PLEASE make it optional
I hated 100%ing SA1 and SA2 due to it
still epoch
This shit is fire
If that was something in the original games id play with the chao garden a LOT more
humble drum
how has a mobile game not done this with how many have buddies
still epoch
Cuz it gives a reward in the main games
humble drum
jump fever doesn't count
strange estuary
https://youtu.be/OChA3n6bhvg?si=Q1oWw7lGkpRal2du
Do they do something, or just tag along with you for emotional support
humble drum
the title says they can fight enemies soooooo
still epoch
You can also let them just run around and do whatever jn the level
There is a very cute montage in the end of the first video
humble drum
they should be able to use the monkey destruction switch
still epoch
Its fantastic
strange estuary
Considering Rumble pretty much does this...
It probably would be a good idea
Just having a chao buddy to tag along with would give a decent incentive for people to try it out
dawn pumice
https://youtu.be/OChA3n6bhvg?si=Q1oWw7lGkpRal2du
If chao garden ever comes back, this will legit be a reason why I’ll constantly go into it
modest parcel
People who don't engage with the chao garden hype don't really have to, considering it usually is a bonus pack in with an already hefty adventure game
As long as the crowd that does enjoy it still exists, it serves its purpose
My main worry is how much more manpower it'd take, and how extensive it would be in a modern era landscape
humble drum
frontiers 2 render leak
modest parcel
Like they had quite a few people dedicated to working on the chao garden to begin with
Though I guess SA2 benefited from what SA1 had already established
cunning echo
My main worry is how much more manpower it'd take, and how extensive it would be...
I think it could work
chao garden was also in Advance
even if it was in a smaller scale
modest parcel
The scale is what I'm saying though; I doubt even fans of the chao garden would accept something only just as big as what SA2 offered
cunning echo
Im sure they could do something the same scale if not bigger than adventure 2
dusty osprey
Chao garden game but its also sonic animal crossing would go crazy
cunning echo
Chao Garden Resort does something like that
grand cobalt
vague posting olympics on the timeline rn
strange estuary
Chao garden game but its also sonic animal crossing would go crazy
You grow a village of chao?
strange estuary
What does that mean
grand cobalt
all im saying is that the last time ppl were moving like this they fell for rosyko audio and ai generated renders, #sooo
dusty osprey
You grow a village of chao?
The village is full of sonic oc's maybe some idw folks. You make a character you do animal crossing stuff. Maybe donpa set up an island for you because he seems like the "make plot happen man" or maybe in true sonic fashion there's secret seriousy lore as to why it exists. But also , there's just a whole ass chao garden you work on and when you upgrade your animal crossing house you get a bigger garden and the dfferent villagers you get, allows you to get different kinds of chao. And maybe you can have a system where guests drop by, like sonic shows up gives you a thing and leaves
glossy sphinx
all im saying is that the last time ppl were moving like this they fell for rosy...
exactly
that was embarrassiiiiing
toxic vapor
This might be like the anti thing for newcomers but I'd be fine if Frontiers 2 is made for less newcomers than Frontiers 1
I don't want them to make slow ass speed settings to appeal to newcomers, I want a game for fans who actually like Sonic this time
untold kayak
I don't want them to make slow ass speed settings to appeal to newcomers, I want...
That would be biting the hand that gives you food
the point of any franchise is expanding their fanaticade
if you wish something exclusively made for the fans
play fan-made games
toxic vapor
No
untold kayak
toxic vapor
Pandering too hard to the general public is what gave us automated dogshit level design with 0 top speed sliders
still epoch
Final Horizon was made for hardcore fans in mind ya
toxic vapor
With the game being designed around the babies who are too scared to play an acceleration based platforming
still epoch
And as much as i wish for some challenge
toxic vapor
Frontiers 2 shouldn't pander to these people
still epoch
Frontiers being so acessible more than any other sonic game is really good for it
toxic vapor
They should pander to people who want a high speed platformer with acceleration based movement and platforming challenges designed around having to be good at it
still epoch
And for the franchise
modest parcel
Frontiers 2 shouldn't pander to these people
They are the people kishimoto will listen to the most
toxic vapor
Frontiers should be that little baby action game
toxic vapor
They are the people kishimoto will listen to the most
Watch
modest parcel
Because they are the people that kishimoto is looking to sell his games to
And he talks to during playtests
untold kayak
Frontiers being so acessible more than any other sonic game is really good for i...
In the context of final horizon, it was for the support that base frontiers got so it was a 'gift' to the people that supported the game
If you like frontiers, it is likely that you like final horizon which is fine under that criteria to find more difficulty. It's akin to the hard DLC levels of Unleashed and 06
modest parcel
Nintendo have also toned the difficulty of their games down massively when seeking wider audiences
modest parcel
It's just the nature of the beast
prime hearth
Final Horizon was made for hardcore fans in mind ya
(and it was kiiiiiiiinda bad as a result honestly lol)
glossy sphinx
it was mainly bad because everything that they were going for didn't mesh with the base 😭 and the lack of play testing
which causes for ass game balance
they were overambitious
untold kayak
I don't want fully automated stuff but game designers must work with the idea of 'easy to control, hard to master'
glossy sphinx
we wouldn't have to rely so much on automation if they got just the controls and collision issues together 💔💔
sigh... boost is a big factor.
untold kayak
I don't want fully automated stuff but game designers must work with the idea of...
That's what made the classic games fun
glossy sphinx
would be cool but I imagine the sudden burst of speed would throw people off in 3D, it would have to be reworked a bit honestly
if im remembering the mechanic correctly
past matrix
We need to go back to the sa2 e3 trailer days.
in terms of ‘first looks’, let me see that beta footage of your game. I don’t mind
untold kayak
would be cool but I imagine the sudden burst of speed would throw people off in ...
I think it can serve if it has a small start-up animation
to ease the players into noticing a burst of speed
cunning echo
untold kayak
We need to go back to the sa2 e3 trailer days.
True, presentation is important
glossy sphinx
We need to go back to the sa2 e3 trailer days.
the SA2 trailers were pure aura farming
cunning echo
shadow gens also had a sorta full reveal since it showed gameplay
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
shadow gens also had a sorta full reveal since it showed gameplay
yea the first stage and the first boss
untold kayak
Superstars made it so
I think it's less about gameplay
and more so making a great first impression
that the trailer mesmerizes you from frame 1
with something visually impactful and memorable
Like superstars used the 2d sprites and the 3d
and that was a very cool gimmick
it makes that trailer feel special
coarse ferry
the SA2 trailers were pure aura farming
And honestly it is very needed to get people hype
glossy sphinx
ofc
glossy sphinx
with something visually impactful and memorable
yep
I feel like this next game is gonna have some cool ass promotional stuff, I feel it in my booones
also considering how the main goal currently is to bring Sega to its fullest potential while using Sonic as the lead... they pretty much have to
untold kayak
I feel like this next game is gonna have some cool ass promotional stuff, I feel...
Yeah. Specially after Shadow gens, they'll build out of that
glossy sphinx
Utsumi saying that Sonic should be cool and impressive gets me excited
glossy sphinx
Yeah. Specially after Shadow gens, they'll build out of that
definitely
lavish iron
also considering how the main goal currently is to bring Sega to its fullest pot...
True
glossy sphinx
I wouldn't be surprised if frontiers 2 is the coolest game out of the Sega lineup
they aren't impressing shit if they don't take the necessary leaps, but from what we can see someone like kishimoto is crazy enough to take necessary leaps
whether those leaps will be negative or positive is to be determined ^_^
untold kayak
Mhm
Right now, the marketing is the most important
it must sell the idea well
so the game calls the attention
It must impact
In a sense that is what got Sonic to shine in America
the marketing based itself on the idea of him being cool
and they doubled down on it
zinc spear
What about boost mode<:SFSonicSonicHappy:745463656065663116>
ngl I don't think it would necessarily work with open world sonic
The point of boost mode is that you don't stop, and you keep up the flow. in an open world we're gonna be going at different paces through combat, going to linear levels (which cmon they're probably gonna have), doing puzzles, all that
cunning echo
but it could work in a lineaer level
zinc spear
True. Then again I'm thinking of the boost mode as it already exists
if it were repurposed and rethought with all that open world stuff in mind, (instead of a 'boost mode' maybe just a general flow/action chain state a la tony hawk's combo system) maybe it could work?
humble drum
always bet on sonic forces 2
strange estuary
I'll give it like 12 years
sharp prism
all these arguments over new models when we're absolutely getting a marza preren...
Marza, Shirogumi, or Lunar...
Take your pick. 
lunar trench
It's mainline so i'm betting on marza
sharp prism
If it's a teaser most likely, but Shirogumi has produced most of the CG since TSR.
glossy sphinx
😪
sharp prism
Shirogumi's great, it's really up there but I think there's still something that's lost between them an Marza.
autumn yacht
will they change sonic's roll
sharp prism
Shirogumi's great, it's really up there but I think there's still something that...
U can tell there's a difference between the Frontiers teaser and the other trailers. Marza still just really gets it when it comes to Sonic. Love what they did on the Superstars trailers, even if it's really small.
cunning echo
I'm pretty sure the teaser is also shirogumi
sharp prism
We know it's just Marza because of the metadata.
glossy sphinx
the teaser looks super different than the rest of the stuff to me so I just assumed it was a different studio
makes sense
sharp prism
Also, the credits for Frontiers has Marza credited for mostly artwork and the teaser. While Shirogumi is credited for general trailer work.
Ig also randomly Marza did produce that first commercial we got strangely enough so there's that.
hybrid hill
isn’t the reason why marza has become less involved in game promotion was because of the movies or is that just fan speculation?
wide portal
It’s speculation
toxic vapor
U can tell there's a difference between the Frontiers teaser and the other trail...
I was talking about how the Showdown trailer's lighting looks worse than the reveal + Game Awards stuff
That's seemingly from like 2021
smoky summit
2 days still no leaks
smoky summit
Dexember
smoky summit
I'm gonna peel them like a potato
rugged otter
gonna keep my eyes sealed
wide portal
Leak season has been slow this year
forest fractal
Someone finally got that damn plumber
What the fuck
When tf did I become a tsundere???
smoky summit
Where's the penguin and the weirdo pretending to be a Japanese girl
forest fractal
They got executed
modest parcel
Isn't that the bird from wario ware
wide portal
Where's the penguin and the weirdo pretending to be a Japanese girl
they both got terminated
modest parcel
Since there haven't been any trademarks yet
(if a trailer is showing up)
There is a very very high likelyhood that the game will not be named
And just announced with a 2026 date
Like Frontiers was
modest parcel
It took a whole 6 months before the Frontiers title dropped
And by then people had already caught on to the Rangers 4chan leaks being somewhat accurate
X
past matrix
Talking about a sonic leak, has there been any OTHER leaks for the game awards?
wide portal
It took a whole 6 months before the Frontiers title dropped
how many—ah forget it the passion’s gone
wide portal
Talking about a sonic leak, has there been any OTHER leaks for the game awards?
something just happened with resident evil
there was some stuff last week
modest parcel
how many—ah forget it the passion’s gone
modest parcel
ANOTHER VAGUE CGI TRAILER INCOMING
When you think about it, it's the best option they can pull for maximum surprise
If you're naming your game you gotta trademark it ahead of time; whoops suprise is gone
wheat kindle
At this point I'm rooting for CW updates/more DLC if all we are getting from next game is a "vague CGI trailer"...
modest parcel
For the terminally online peeps at least
wheat kindle
it's extremely possible Sonic's TGA will be only a CGI teaser so...
As I said no new spin-offs for now, CW DLC SAVE US
stiff salmon
something just happened with resident evil