Like we only get to see the crossworlds ones as racing tracks.
#Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation
zinc spear
rugged otter
need leaks on the next spinoff bad just to know if it's a fighting game or not
zinc spear
I do kinda hope that if it's an interconnected world, that things are layed out more interestingly instead of 'one giant landmass where everything's next to each other'.
autumn yacht
will the glitchy aesthetic return
toxic vapor
Technically it could be the other way around?
prime hearth
will the glitchy aesthetic return
my money's on no but they'll try and get the cyloop back somehow
zinc spear
Like cmon why not have one that's completely in the sky or completely underground, or one that's a giant ass air ship
prime hearth
it'll be the windloop or some shit now idk
too useful of a move not to keep in the moveset
zinc spear
yeah if there's one bet I'm making it's that the cyloop will be there in some form, just not in name or effects.
autumn yacht
am surprised frontiers had the glitchy stuff
phantom ruby, cyberspace, but yeah surely it'll be something else now
glossy sphinx
it'll be the windloop or some shit now idk
https://fixupx.com/LithPyro/status/1888362174893982074?t=9uDIZ5IdFHgiGsQHHeO82Q&s=19 I'd love it if it worked like this personally
zinc spear
nah we staying digitallllll
zinc spear
https://fixupx.com/LithPyro/status/1888362174893982074?t=9uDIZ5IdFHgiGsQHHeO82Q&...
Could call it the blue tornado- OHHHHH hang on a second
glossy sphinx
phantom ruby, cyberspace, but yeah surely it'll be something else now
the evil Crossworlds with its digital circuit:
rugged otter
nah we staying digitallllll
digital city, let's go
autumn yacht
no more digital https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys31vkLquuc
still epoch
This track is lame
toxic vapor
no more digital https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys31vkLquuc
Kind of funny how a lot of the Crossworld stages are original levels just renamed lmao
Wasn’t Water Palace called a different level in the files?
rugged otter
yes
autumn yacht
very strange
smoky summit
Fake
silent haven
Wasn’t Water Palace called a different level in the files?
it’s just called atlantis though rainbow garden is also just called ‘flight camp’ so i think that’s just them alluding to the fact they’re the first levels with plane/boat mode rather than any intended names
untold kayak
Internal name files are not necessarily final names or even the names intended at all
they can just be for coding purposes
make it easy to identiy an element within the game's code
untold kayak
Final Horizons made SuperSonic2 a name because it was unnecesary, from a coding POV, to give the new form another name
when all of it's functions mechanically speaking are virtually the same as Super Sonic's
but that name is not what is referred to the form interally in a company sense of the word
as said by Flynn in the Bumblekast, the form is referred as Starfall Super Sonic
eternal gate
levels as in cyberspace?
dawn pumice
Ya
eternal gate
lol
lunar trench
I hope not but prolly
Nah
Shrugs
I think i agree
Maybe
Lol
Who let him cook
Shrugs
dawn pumice
why would they be absolute shit btw I forgot to ask LOL
I feel like they just gonna replicate the final horizons level design
And that level design was absolute dog
glossy sphinx
I feel like they just gonna replicate the final horizons level design
ignoring the fact that they were pretty much crammed on top of existing levels 🤔
considering what they had to work with I think it's pretty damn good, and the vanilla as controls
dawn pumice
I dont think they would repeat that 😭
I feel like they’ll do the same design philosophy
cunning echo
nah
dawn pumice
considering what they had to work with I think it's pretty damn good, and the va...
Eh it was still ass
Just had a bow this time 😭
glossy sphinx
that was just gimmicks tho
the only gimmicks that I didn't fw were the zero gravity and gear shift ones
glossy sphinx
Eh it was still ass
you're ass
cunning echo
if anything I think its going to be like 4-2 4-4 or shadow gens levels
maybe we'll see gimmicks levels like final horizon but as challenges
like in shadow gens
glossy sphinx
me love TFH levels
cunning echo
just extra stuff, final horizon levels are basically just extra challenge levels tbh
glossy sphinx
pretty much
dawn pumice
you're ass
Trust me
cunning echo
they dont really try to be new levels like the normal ones
or like tokyo
And tbh, I did liked some final horizon levels
glossy sphinx
that's cyberspace in general tho at the same time... but they just took the random nature of them further
cunning echo
the tails race one was cool
glossy sphinx
that's cyberspace in general tho at the same time... but they just took the rand...
which can be said for the entire update
glossy sphinx
And tbh, I did liked some final horizon levels
same I literally did make multiple Twitter threads on them after all 😭
and searched for people playing them with physics mode
grand cobalt
Eh it was still ass
friend who doesn’t like anything gif
eternal gate
wsp 2ripe 😼
hello nero 👀
glossy sphinx
friend who doesn’t like anything gif
fizz W
glossy sphinx
hello nero 👀
how are you doing good ol friend
glossy sphinx
im fine buddy ol pal
that's good
oh yeah I forgot to fill out the bingo card
has anyone done that yet...?
fossil echo
Freeze do you not understand the difference between prediction and what people want? If you want us to say what we want, you should just say that. You'll get "unsafe" responses through that. It's just that the reality is we probably won't get that and we're not setting ourselves up for disappointment, hence the safe predictions
What we want to see is not the same as what we predict to see
What if it already happened
Frontiers trademark happened a month prior to tga
So either we not getting anything at tga or
That random shadow trademark just got really suspicious
Alternatively
We still dont know what the fuck sonic spin battle is. I dont think that'd be the title of a mainline game, but I could see it being another side mobile title or other party game
dawn pumice
No TGA would be kinda hilarious ngl
wide portal
Funniest outcome
wise chasm
The funniest outcome
dawn pumice
This boutta be my pfp when it doesn’t get announced @wise chasm
hybrid hill
This boutta be my pfp when it doesn’t get announced <@70928838661509120>
he has the muzzle curve!!
hybrid hill
😭😭
glossy sphinx
has anyone done that yet...?
I guess not 💀
toxic vapor
Freeze do you not understand the difference between prediction and what people w...
We're defo getting all that tho
still epoch
How many weeks
fossil echo
Funniest outcome
It's the outcome im prepared for
Like I've been saying im prepared to not hear anything til February
Cause that's when they really kick in the news cycle
It's also like
There's not really been signs that they'll be announcing the new mainline there
still epoch
There is no signs yea
fossil echo
Usually there's a build up of some sort, but here it's just
Next year is 35th anniversary so they have to show something here
And I dunno about all that
still epoch
But i feel the relevancy is something thiugh
How people just Expect sonic now
And i know expectations arent anything
But sometimes the expectation itself is already some sort of marketing
silent haven
i honestly think it’s more likely they just announce another year of crossworlds DLC there since that’s still doing well
coarse ferry
Safest expectations for me when it comes to next 3D Sonic is that it'll be basically improved the aspect from both Frontiers and very less so SXSG.
I can see bit more info over crossworld but they already shown us 3 more chars
still epoch
I think it makes too much sense for sega to just
Show off a sonic game in a big event like this
It shouldnt be a state of play thing
coarse ferry
Hard agreed
still epoch
For sonic x shadow gens? Sure
But for the sequel to frontiers?
TGA i feel is the right choice for big views
More than sonic fans
coarse ferry
I feel like if they wanted to tease the next 3D Sonic game, it has to be TGA since it's a far bigger scaled sonic game.
still epoch
So i dont see it being in February
There is no events there
Either tga or sgf will be where we hear about frontiers 2
lunar trench
Sgf is too late
coarse ferry
SGF at least can show a proper trailer
But they need to show a tease in TGA. No ifs or buts
toxic vapor
LOL
coarse ferry
Would be jarring considering anniversary
Only thing that may screw up SEGA's schedule over releasing the game is GTA6 since they always release Sonic games at around November or closer to it
glossy sphinx
let them nuts hang SEGA y'all got this
dawn pumice
How people just Expect sonic now
^^^
And how crossworlds / superstars had no build up either
Fans kinda expect every Geoff show now
glossy sphinx
no buildup needed because it kinda became the norm 💀
glossy sphinx
Honestly the shadow the hedgehog trademark is in my mind
right.
dawn pumice
I don’t expect the shadow trademark to be anything big now
still epoch
ShadowTH ‘26
dawn pumice
If u want my honest opinion
At the major event or whatever for the 35th, left field prediction they’ll announce a sub series
But we ain’t gonna know that for awhile tho
They just trademarked it to get merch ready and stuff
coarse ferry
Crossworld DLC being just casually shown works since the game is already out
dawn pumice
And with the corocoro popularity poll, I think it’s kinda smart to do cuz….ngl everyone picking shadow 💀 💀 💀
coarse ferry
I feel like we may get the sub series after next 3D Sonic game
wise chasm
Sgf is too late
Not if the game isn't releasing this year
still epoch
A shadow subseries would be fucking nuts
wise chasm
still epoch
Like an actual series
lunar trench
Not if the game isn't releasing this year
Yeah duh
still epoch
Possibly having its own vibe
dawn pumice
Shadow having his own subseries makes sense ngl
still epoch
It does
dawn pumice
2nd most popular character
coarse ferry
It's really only matter of time they can properly do so
still epoch
And i think it makes more sense than make him be what they are doing
dawn pumice
Do what Nintendo does with its Mario IPs
dawn pumice
And shadow is the safest bet
still epoch
I honestly find a shadow subseries exciting
If it shakes stuff up
Like make it its Own Thing
coarse ferry
I wouldn't even say safest bet. It's finally his time to get his own series
Helps that they can properly use the char instead of being Sonic's "rival". But I can see them focus on the next char getting their own proper spinoff after Shadow finally get his sub series
coarse ferry
To me Shadow is a char that I feel like works way better not get involved too much with the game cast
Only exception I'll say are maybe Rouge and Omega but even then
prime hearth
I reckon a shadow subseries is on the cards but a few years off at the very least
shadow gens only wrapped last year, I don’t doubt that same team is cracking on with another shadow game given how well it sold but they need more time to cook
(wouldn’t be surprised if either arzest or someone else is working on a new classic game too)
still epoch
I wouldnt mind superstars 2
prime hearth
if they get into the rhythm of mainline 3D -> classic 2D -> shadow boost game -> spinoff year-on-year that’s prolly a winning formula I’d say
still epoch
I just would need them to truly make it Cool
still epoch
if they get into the rhythm of mainline 3D -> classic 2D -> shadow boost game ->...
Agreed
prime hearth
bonus points if they keep crossworlds support trucking along too (which I v much see happening considering how well it’s sold so far lol)
lunar trench
I wouldnt mind superstars 2
Remember that hoshino picture with evening star 
stiff salmon
Only thing that may screw up SEGA's schedule over releasing the game is GTA6 sin...
they went against GOW they'll be fine
still epoch
Remember that hoshino picture with evening star <:YAY:1414449641214316645>
i havent forgotten
The way they could all merge into making some insane game
lunar trench
Hm...
lunar trench
Yeah maybe
I just don't know if arzest can do that
Maybe both team working on the same project would do something
lunar trench
Hmm...
prime hearth
Honestly all the issues with superstars (mixed quality music, shit bosses, pricetag) are fairly cut and dry, easily fixable with a new entry
it’s not like there’s something deep ingrained in the formula that’s broken, the base building blocks are there and solid
lunar trench
I'd say they should get rid of multiplayer in the nex game
prime hearth
I'd say they should get rid of multiplayer in the nex game
the online stuff or offline?
lunar trench
And the emerald powers are just not really well integrated in the game
still epoch
Have CD quality music
prime hearth
cos I’m down with the couch co-op staying but yeah the online stuff was not worth it lmao
still epoch
I think we could have something reaaaaally fucking good
still epoch
cos I’m down with the couch co-op staying but yeah the online stuff was not wort...
It should couch coop with seperate screens
Not everyone in the same
I think it could work way better than not
lunar trench
the online stuff or offline?
I just think it was fundamentally badly designed so if they wanna do it again then they gotta do the game with that in mind
still epoch
Just 4 4:3 screens
dawn pumice
Remember that hoshino picture with evening star <:YAY:1414449641214316645>
Trust the process, Evening Star working on next classic game
lunar trench
I have been saying this since we got the pic man
toxic vapor
It should couch coop with seperate screens
I’d want an online racing mode in the normal levels
Not couch co op
still epoch
RACING YES
why didnt we have racing???
Basic ass Sonic 2 racing mode
It would work so well
toxic vapor
Just take Mania’s competition mode and make it online so you don’t need split screen
still epoch
And superstars didnt have that
sick bobcat
I wanted Superstars to have online co-op
fossil echo
shadow gens only wrapped last year, I don’t doubt that same team is cracking on ...
I mean they dont have to start a sub series with a game. They can do more animations and merchlines focused on shadow. Hell im sure we're due for some shadow spinoff stuff movieverse-wise
They can have that build up to a new game
toxic vapor
Online competition mode with rankings like Crossworlds for a 2D Classic game
cunning echo
No TGA would be kinda hilarious ngl
If that happens 😭
glossy sphinx
nobody answered my questions about the bingo cards twice yeah nobody doing that shit 😅😅
time to set an example...
fossil echo
I'll get to it when im on my laptop
silent haven
No TGA would be kinda hilarious ngl
'ok geoff i'll let you announce half life 3 at your show on one condition'
glossy sphinx
uhh am I allowed to put contradicting things on my bingo board
glossy sphinx
I seeeee
glossy sphinx
solid enough, only hopes and positivity around here
modest parcel
Dude you fucked up one of the diagonals 
glossy sphinx
modest parcel
modest parcel
You'll have the diagonal be impossible no matter the outcome
wide portal
solid enough, only hopes and positivity around here
How many times has Sega actually done the “proudly presents” thing outside of Mania or sonic animations
modest parcel
Move the tile somewhere else where it fits strategically
cunning echo
How many times has Sega actually done the “proudly presents” thing outside of Ma...
they've only did it with Sonic Mania
All mania trailers have that quote
modest parcel
You'll have the diagonal be impossible no matter the outcome
If there's no trailer then there won't be a CG + world showcase trailer, if there's a CG + world showcase trailer then there will be a trailer
modest parcel
Just bc there's contradictory tiles doesn't mean they have to block each other's paths like that
glossy sphinx
I deadass only put that there because I was running out of ideas cut me some slack...
okay nowww I get it
modest parcel
glossy sphinx
you're the best 
wide portal
I can’t believe how close we are
modest parcel
Horray! 
glossy sphinx
(that's literally what I did for the top row I just forgot to do it for the rest of the chart)
cunning echo
I can’t believe how close we are
Sonic fans on December 11
modest parcel
I can’t believe how close we are
We're too close now I can't schedule overtime without ruining my ability to stay on top of things 
glossy sphinx
we're so close to the future of the games being determined or we're so close to absolutely no reveal
cunning echo
are you ready dex
glossy sphinx
I gotta get through Final Horizons...
peak
lunar trench
Aight
lunar trench
Ye
glossy sphinx
there, first and only person to fill this out.
UE5 is a risky one because idk if we'll be able to tell but who cares.
fossil echo
Eu 5 let's go new European union
dawn pumice
Someone got the template?
glossy sphinx
fossil echo
I'll get to it when im on my laptop
safe hull
they've only did it with Sonic Mania
Sega was never proud of anything ever again
dawn pumice
@glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
I should've had PowerPoint leak on mines
yeah I don't think Tori is gonna be there either lol
even if this was a full trailer
if they bring out crazy ass music for this reveal trailer alone we'll already know it'll be the game of a lifetime
idk if I said this already but I personally believe the titan fights will take a backseat for most of the game
past matrix
I don't see any literal titan fights taking place, unless they introduce more titans.
What I do think will happen is boss fights that take influence from the titan fights presentation.
dawn pumice
^^^
Super sonic is not getting used 24/7 like last time
It’s probably gonna be moreso inspired by shadow of colossus and the scale / grandeur is similar or bigger than the Titan fights
dawn pumice
Something like that ya
It’s gonna be the Titan fights but just regular sonic
No flying around n shit
glossy sphinx
I don't see any literal titan fights taking place, unless they introduce more ti...
yeah I just mean enemies on the same scale
and super sonic taking priority for the story relevant bosses
dawn pumice
Honestly tho
Looking back at the PowerPoint leak
I
kinda believe the main enemy is a cyber sonic or copy???
glossy sphinx
dawn pumice
I don’t necessarily think sonic team has fully covered the idea of an enemy being an exact copy of Sonic
In mannerisms / thinking
cunning echo
Looking back at the PowerPoint leak
you mean the ai one?
still epoch
Id love a mephiles sonic
cunning echo
can you guys send that again
still epoch
A twisted version of sonic
Thats sonic but evil
Make him green
Give him a jacket
dawn pumice
Having a cyber clone that’s takes the fucked up mannerisms of sonic
still epoch
And glasses
dawn pumice
Make him green
EWWWWW
scourge hate
Also it makes sense too to make a spiritual sequel as well
Being corrupted with cyber energy and now pushing past the full limits of super sonic 2
It kinda makes sense that Sonic’s imprint on the cyber energy left a permanent mark in cyberspace
@cunning echo
still epoch
You know
You just believe on this cuz of that sonic showdown
I know you
I know you well
still epoch
👀
I will say using a prime esque AI art really doesnt help make me wxcited for the idea
dawn pumice
That’s just the prompt
Probably some employee typed what Sega gave a description for and it propped out this
still epoch
Two knuckle
dawn pumice
Prolly emphasized it was four player and they didn’t give a shit to prompt the other knuckles
strange estuary
Thats sonic but evil
No
cunning echo
<@309751201233371137>
the evolution of sonic advenutre
glossy sphinx
the evolution of sonic advenutre
lunar trench
glossy sphinx
2nd thing I see is Tori mommy ok
lunar trench
H3ylow is trying to tell us something
still epoch
There he goes with his shrug
lunar trench
Most of those range from "eh, prolly" to "it's 100% in"
I think the ones i'm like least sure about are
No loading for levels
Idw npcs (tho we'll def get sonic npcs)
And the road map
Not too sure about the M.E stuff either
glossy sphinx
I think it's very likely considering the frontiers flashbacks and obviously the 35th anniversary stuff
the roadmap is an interesting thing
cunning echo
Idw npcs (tho we'll def get sonic npcs)
you'll get your avatar npc
just like forces and crossworld
lunar trench
Oh yeah
Duh
I meant
Sonic related npcs
As in important chr
I almost put "humans are back" ngl
glossy sphinx
As in important chr
if there's gonna be NPC's in general then I think that's very likely
coarse ferry
I feel like NPCs is the best way to actually use the sonic chars in general without trying to rely too much on playability
lunar trench
I almost put "humans are back" ngl
Should i change my bingo 
glossy sphinx
I feel like NPCs is the best way to actually use the sonic chars in general with...
sonic generations method (but better)
coarse ferry
sonic generations method (but better)
exactly
strange estuary
man, december 11 can't come anytime soon
Crazy how the event will be right on my birthday
Maybe I should use up my birthday wish to make Frontiers 2 appear on TGA
dawn pumice
Complete this ring challenge ahh npc
lunar trench
Y'all think humans have a chance to come back for frontiers 2
still epoch
I hope so
glossy sphinx
Y'all think humans have a chance to come back for frontiers 2
yeah
glossy sphinx
if Sonic Team wants to then 100% lol
past matrix
Y'all think humans have a chance to come back for frontiers 2
Yeah
Mostly with Tori here now.
lunar trench
if Sonic Team wants to then 100% lol
I mean yeah duh 😭
wide portal
Y'all think humans have a chance to come back for frontiers 2
if Tori is there, then maybe?
past matrix
Does she have ears?
glossy sphinx
pretty sure her hair covers them
past matrix
Yes or no question 
glossy sphinx
yes
strange estuary
Sage counts
Yes, but we're talking about humans with a plural
past matrix
Regardless, it depends on where the hell the story takes the cast/if it's populated with people ig.
glossy sphinx
(should've automatically been plural when I brought up sage)
past matrix
Regardless, it depends on where the hell the story takes the cast/if it's popula...
I know how much this franchise loves it's secret societies/undiscovered new locations that DON'T have humans in them, so who knows.
(I say this, and it's only happened like 3 times max.)
lunar trench
Wrong version 
lunar trench
Actually i'm not so sure about the last one
^
dawn pumice
No Tori
past matrix
I still can't believe frontiers missed out on the opportunity to make some cool ass post cataclysmic event alien wild life designs.
That's what I want next open zone game, WILD LIFE.
strange estuary
Well, I don't doubt on DLC. But the road map for Frontiers honestly felt like a miracle
lunar trench
If i wanted to play it safe
I could just say "collector édition"
lunar trench
I could just say "collector édition"
But that's no fun right
glossy sphinx
uhh I made my predictions specifically for the first trailer but it feels like we're going further out
dawn pumice
Oh shit u meant first trailer???
strange estuary
I think I will be surprised if I don't see Tori TBH...
dawn pumice
Uhhh
glossy sphinx
in that case when will the bingo board be used
glossy sphinx
Oh shit u meant first trailer???
I just assumed that
dawn pumice
Uhhh
Hmm
Might have to remake mine
Cuz ngl
I’m legit only expecting a 30 sec - 1 min teaser
lunar trench
Well see okay
dawn pumice
With no gameplay at all
dawn pumice
I’m fine with a teaser
glossy sphinx
I’m legit only expecting a 30 sec - 1 min teaser
makes sense
still epoch
I think we are gonna get a cg + gameplay trailer
glossy sphinx
I'm gonna go absolutely wild and predict a full on trailer
still epoch
Cg showing the setting and sonic running around
lunar trench
Idk about gameplay
glossy sphinx
crazy, I know, considering this series
lunar trench
In game images tho yeah
still epoch
Then a showcase of the world
dawn pumice
If I really want to be hopeful
1 min 30 sec trailer with overview shots of the city + look at Sonic’s model from the back + cgi cutscenes
And MAYBE a few screenshots after the event
I am gonna be a bit bold tho
They’re gonna name drop it
strange estuary
I'm gonna go absolutely wild and predict a full on trailer
Like Superstars?
still epoch
MARK MY WORDS
dawn pumice
the frontiers tga trailer
Kinda ya
lunar trench
I have been saying this for the past two minutrs ?????
glossy sphinx
Like Superstars?
yeah pretty much
dawn pumice
I feel it’s been enough time for a name drop / an overview of the world
But that’s me being hopeful
glossy sphinx
I have been saying this for the past two minutrs ?????
yeah I just found it funny how fiery explained it full on like it was a new idea 😭
strange estuary
I would like if they went with that direction, but idk...
dawn pumice
And then not following their same formula for the past 15 years
glossy sphinx
I would like if they went with that direction, but idk...
well not exactly that
not to mention the ops
but
Mario... Odyssey... if they were feeling crazy
assuming that Sega are the types to step out of their shell
dawn pumice
If they had balls ya
I’d feel they want to be mysterious again
Most of their cgi trailers do pretty well with it
glossy sphinx
my prediction would be perfectly valid if it was just superstars and shadow gens that recently dropped but Crossworlds took a big ass turd on that
dawn pumice
30 seconds of bullshit, 5 seconds of the gimmick
dawn pumice
my prediction would be perfectly valid if it was just superstars and shadow gens...
That’s kinda the reason I’m sticking with it
strange estuary
I don't really want a repeat of a mysterious CGI teaser
dawn pumice
I don’t either ngl
But it seems the most logical choice to me
Especially when I don’t see sega paying Geoff to have a 2 min trailer there
glossy sphinx
I don't really want a repeat of a mysterious CGI teaser
nobody does but this is the product of "realistic expectations"
I hope they drop the mysterious thing and just go for hype aura moments
that was the most successful part of frontiers lol so im hoping they're taking full advantage of that
strange estuary
Now that I'd be on board with
glossy sphinx
oh yeah people also fucked with the "hype aura moments" of shadow gens too... come ooon
I'll nickname this the hype aura era why not
past matrix
Yeah even sonic crossworlds initial reveal was like..a 15 second mysterious teaser, outside of it being a title drop.
Correction, a CGI mysterious teaser.
At the game awards.
Near the end.
glossy sphinx
Yeah even sonic crossworlds initial reveal was like..a 15 second mysterious teas...
worst teaser ever idc
still epoch
To hell with the digital
past matrix
worst teaser ever idc
Agreed
still epoch
worst teaser ever idc
You werent here when we got the first tsr teaser
strange estuary
worst teaser ever idc
Looks at TSR
glossy sphinx
cunning echo
tbf
glossy sphinx
racing games are cursed, got it
cunning echo
tsr and frontiers were announced at small events lol
who watching sxsw or whatever the name is
and also sonic central only sonic fans look it up 😭
past matrix
I remember the sxsw days.
cunning echo
Mania Plus was announced with a image
lol
now that was the worst announcement
mania plus was a logo image
a png
past matrix
I remember the sxsw days.
Remember the mania adventures reveal?
modest parcel
at least we could infer the extreme gear from the CW teaser
glossy sphinx
tsr and frontiers were announced at small events lol
yeah I pretty much consider the frontiers tga trailer the true reveal, so I think they'll treat frontiers 2 similarly
still epoch
I still think the R was worse
dawn pumice
at least we could infer the extreme gear from the CW teaser
15 second cgi again
strange estuary
at least we could infer the extreme gear from the CW teaser
I'm soo glad it didn't turn out to be a fakeout
dawn pumice
past matrix
Remember the mania adventures reveal?
Maaaan, you'd think I just had intercourse for the first time; that shit was like a moment in history for me that day.
(Mostly because I was under the impression it was going to be an cartoon network show at the time. But it worked out.)
strange estuary
How much do they have to pay for a 15 second CGI teaser
strange estuary
Damn
cunning echo
all crossworld reveals has been in state of play tho
dawn pumice
And such, it’s prob 600k
cunning echo
😭
past matrix
We also had the sonic central teaser before the game awards trailer
still epoch
Were not tonna get that
I dont think we are gonna get like a bunch of nothing teasers
Is gonma be somethint very concrete from the start
strange estuary
What would they even have to put on a Sonic Central
still epoch
Nothin
strange estuary
See
past matrix
We also had the sonic central teaser before the game awards trailer
I'm not saying there's gonna be a sonic central, as much as I'm saying that had that central not happened; would we have kickstarted promo' with that game awards trailer all the same?
Or would they have still gone the route of the 20 second teaser? (Like crossworlds.)
glossy sphinx
I don't think so
strange estuary
no sonic at nintendo directs
Recent directs, you mean?
glossy sphinx
one of the most anticipated sonic games is coming up I think they're gonna go hard personally
past matrix
Hit me with that sonic boom trailer, with beta gameplay snippets and shit
modest parcel
I'm not gonna be winning that Central bet 😔
past matrix
OH AND CAN'T FORGET SKRILLEX
wide portal
no sonic at nintendo directs
English directs*
past matrix
OH AND CAN'T FORGET SKRILLEX
Bangarang's back on the menu boys
wide portal
I'm not gonna be winning that Central bet 😔
Man I REALLY need to talk to the grim reaper
glossy sphinx
they've been building up this link of sorts with geoffs shows, it's pretty much expected for Sonic to be there annually. I feel like the consistent sonic showcases at these events will give them the confidence to give a full on trailer for once at TGA idk. That + frontiers 2 is highly anticipated like I said
glossy sphinx
strange estuary
I was still a baby back then
glossy sphinx
https://youtu.be/ehapelrBHxQ?feature=shared
I absolutely forgot that this was the music of choice holy shit
past matrix
Don't worry, let me fix it
cunning echo
https://youtu.be/ehapelrBHxQ?feature=shared
this came at right moment cuz I used to listen skrillex a lot back then
so it was like
2 things i liked
forest fractal
I never moved past the dubstep phase
forest fractal
Type shit
still epoch
https://youtu.be/ehapelrBHxQ?feature=shared
Ngl this trailer was pretty promising
Its well edited it has a lot going on
It has speed, combat sections
All before the horrible wii u transiiton
modest parcel
Sonic Boom, Sonic Boom, Sonic Booooom....
cunning echo
the trailer is hype
still epoch
It is
Super well done
For a first look at this new sub franchise it was hype
It had multiple playable characters it had traditional platforming
It gave me crash of the titans vibes
a good game
still epoch
Frontiers?
The launch trailer right
Ngl i think the most memorable trailer for me was the sonic 4 teaser
It was all super vague but it had a cool vibe to it
Shame it absolutely did not deliver
glossy sphinx
the best trailer is still showdown
hmm
glossy sphinx
I might prefer the shadow gens doom power trailer
supporting me remix with lyrics...
still epoch
Oh yea this is one of the best trailers
modest parcel
Man why couldn't they have shown THIS in SGF
lunar trench
Idk man the story trailer is the best one imo
runic osprey
Hearing that version of supporting me just for it to be different in the game had me fucked up
modest parcel
Idk man the story trailer is the best one imo
Well they obviously can't blow their load that early
lunar trench
Hearing that version of supporting me just for it to be different in the game ha...
You never hate st's dumb decisions enough
lunar trench
Well they obviously can't blow their load that early
That wasn't really the subject tho ?
I thought we were talking about best trailer
cunning echo
Well they obviously can't blow their load that early
ehh
other games do it tbh
we need like
mario odyssey kind of trailer
for reveal
glossy sphinx
other games do it tbh
a world where they show us pure unfiltered gameplay? imagine that... and yes, ignore Ign first
runic osprey
You never hate st's dumb decisions enough
No lyrics genuinely had me going insane trying to find a version that had them before the official release finally graced me 😭
glossy sphinx
(that's not really what you said I just wanted to get that off)
still epoch
Ok yea the story trailer of shadow gens
Nvm i love that one
Seeing maria was fucking surreal
glossy sphinx
No lyrics genuinely had me going insane trying to find a version that had them b...
WAIT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
😭
...at least I know about the official release having lyrics now
still epoch
runic osprey
WAIT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT
They just completely got rid of the lyrics in the in game version
modest parcel
I'm glad I'll be able to watch the marketing for a new Sonic game without worrying it spoils everything
still epoch
The sunset heights remix is still leame
still epoch
Ok yea story trailer does show too much
modest parcel
Probably my favorite in the game
still epoch
I think the ending of story trailer is really cool though
modest parcel
Ok yea story trailer does show too much
The thing is we were going in expecting the game to be small so I had assumed all the advertising content would spoil stuff
runic osprey
Mephiles was SUCH a cool surprise
Dude before they revealed him i had just completely convinced myself he wasn’t gonna show up
Would’ve been nice if they didn’t show him 😭
lunar trench
Ye
modest parcel
Good thing I got outta dodge then
still epoch
The thing is we were going in expecting the game to be small so I had assumed al...
I think if they showed the ending of the story trailer in the doom powers trailer i think it would have been perfect
runic osprey
Still insane how there was only 1 dlc for SXSG
still epoch
Showing maria would be the best way to end off the before release
modest parcel
Ian spoiled the Maria thing to me it was too late on that front
After that point I was just wondering what the context was gonna be
modest parcel
Odyssey is crazy because they straight up hid the biggest gimmick until the second trailer
lunar trench
Good thing I got outta dodge then <:vectorRunners:712534038983868416>
And now you can't do that anymore since ur a mod 
cunning echo
Odyssey is crazy because they straight up hid the biggest gimmick until the seco...
the body swap thing?
yea
lunar trench
Mod light
modest parcel
It's YOU GUYS who hold more power than me
lunar trench
Is fiz
modest parcel
TRUUUUUUE
glossy sphinx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kcdRBHM7kM
this but it starts off with sonic running from a horde of enemies in a cyberpunk city
🌛
strange estuary
What even is Cyberpunk City
lunar trench
Actually nvm I just realized that my algorithm is too sonic pilled for me to escape the trailers anyway
glossy sphinx
What even is Cyberpunk City
a city with a cyberpunk aesthetic
strange estuary
a city with a cyberpunk aesthetic
Does that come from some leak, or...
cunning echo
What even is Cyberpunk City
New yoke city
strange estuary
Is it just something you guys really want
lunar trench
New yoke city
Utter yoke nonsense
glossy sphinx
New yoke city
don't even joke
these are the main results that come up, should give a good enough idea
some of them are most likely ai but whatever...
glossy sphinx
there it is guys, your digital theming right there
a lot of potential for random holographic ads
but if there's no holographic chao it's ass.
past matrix
Don't worry, let me fix it
cunning echo
strange estuary
these are the main results that come up, should give a good enough idea
Ehh...
I'm not quite sure I'd like this kind of aesthetic/theme for an open zone
Being honest
glossy sphinx
👍
glossy sphinx
uh huh, pretty much
I think it would work really well, the different structures could make for cool points of interests and the lights can illuminate pathways in cool ways
and considering the source that I pulled the idea from made it seem a lot more apocalyptic and a bad future type thing I would personally love exploring it
oh and all of this is me trusting in Sonic Team's creativity and ability to design a good open zone around this concept, if they just slap sonic in the city with little things to meaningfully interact with then yeah I wouldn't care much.
strange estuary
We're getting that Shadow side story DLC
still epoch
Sonic Superstars Plus
No fixes
Just encore mode and mighty and ray
30 dollar dlc
wise chasm
Sonic Superstars Minus
Fuck you, we're un-releasing Amy and Trip. 20 dollars
still epoch
Sonic Superstars Lite
Less things but added 8 more hits on each boss
glossy sphinx
or they could leave a dlc campaign for other characters since shadow's getting his own games
strange estuary
Maybe
I would like to see how Shadow plays on a proper open zone with fleshed combat
toxic vapor
Lowkey this chat >>> #sonic-lobby
strange estuary
Because SxSG was kinda far from that
glossy sphinx
I would like to see how Shadow plays on a proper open zone with fleshed combat
I feel like if he was in the game, he would be in the base roster honestly
but I can't be too sure about that ofc
glossy sphinx
Lowkey this chat >>> <#1309341831091191818>
you were pretty much gone yesterday btw
fossil echo
I need combat in the next game to bare minimum reach the level of the average hoyo combat/wuwa
Ideally I want something more like bayo
But like it really gets me how frontiers combat lacks more depth than fucking genshin lol
strange estuary
I feel like if he was in the game, he would be in the base roster honestly
There's a chance he could just not, things might be different now that Shadow can get spin-off games
I can see him getting an open zone game on his own
glossy sphinx
There's a chance he could just not, things might be different now that Shadow ca...
I said if for that reason
glossy sphinx
I need combat in the next game to bare minimum reach the level of the average ho...
they're cooking trust
strange estuary
Ofc
strange estuary
I need combat in the next game to bare minimum reach the level of the average ho...
Combat is the aspect I'm worried the most, it was so incredibly barebones in Frontiers
fossil echo
If theyre insistent on cutscenes for combo attacks at least make it flow together like this
strange estuary
And Sonic just doesn't have a good history with trying out combat for gameplay
dusty osprey
I mean like "sonic" is just a series
Like you can hire or use combat designers from other sega stuff if its that important
still epoch
Yea they could definitely hire combat designers
dusty osprey
Like im sure combat will be serviceable
still epoch
It love for it to not feel so lame and superficial
strange estuary
I suppose so, but man combat was not good last game
They especially made it even worse in TFH
Even though they tried new stuff, they just made bosses absolute tanks and new characters severely lacked any kind of combat depth
dusty osprey
I would love actual character action, but i it feels like they dont care for complicating gameplay in mainline
Which is silly to me. But i guess character action sonic will be in a spin off i guess
wise chasm
I'm not gonna lie, they're probably gonna make it even more simple considering how
- TFH already simplified the moveset for everyone else
- the general feedback throughout the launch year has kind of been a dismissal of combat as a concept
still epoch
Right
glossy sphinx
Idk if TFH is really that valid of an example here considering the circumstances of the update
wise chasm
I think it's valid because it positions itself as testing grounds for the future
Pretty sure Kishimoto said as much on twitter the everything app
glossy sphinx
that update was just really weird, them having only months to cook up serviceable movesets for 3 different characters (that still aren't fully polished on their own) and then completely padding out the skill tree with base moves
I feel like there the combat just took a backseat in general because it was within their best interests to water it down considering the time frame and resource restrictions but idk if that'll apply to this next game
he stated a lot that he wants to expand on the combat, and honestly it was kinda one of the defining traits of Frontiers outside of the open zones
toxic vapor
I could care less about making the combat more in-depth
raw osprey
I could care less about making the combat more in-depth
#freezewrongasusual
wise chasm
I feel like there the combat just took a backseat in general because it was with...
That'd be nice, I just wonder what would be the better approach here
I don't see DMC exactly working because you have to have it feel immaculate, which I don't see happening with how enemies react gravity-wise and impact-wise for years
Otherwise you get Lost Soul Aside and Soulstice
coarse ferry
If I have to ch oose an popular action game to compare, I'll honestly say... KH
I get people constantly bring up DMC but I just don't think that series is meant for Sonic at all
glossy sphinx
tbh I said allat earlier but I don't mind simpler combat movesets I really enjoy TFH despite the clunky feel at times
glossy sphinx
If I have to ch oose an popular action game to compare, I'll honestly say... KH
same
coarse ferry
I feel like the series doesn't need to be that complex like DMC because that's not how the series should lean on. A simple enough combat works fine for this type of franchise while heavily lean on cinematic
wise chasm
I guess a cooldown-based approach could work
coarse ferry
Sonic should just do kh combat lmao
It's the best option honestly
glossy sphinx
I would like it if they took inspiration from Sonic battle as in letting the players bounce enemies off the walls and floor
coarse ferry
OH! That I would absolutely love
glossy sphinx
if they're gonna go physics based gameplay it would be fun to see that DNA throughout the entire game
not in the average way I mean...
coarse ferry
Honestly will favor SIlver's gameplay a lot considering his well.... his 06 fight lmao
glossy sphinx
ragdoll those mfs 😭
if there isn't at least one point in the game where I roll into mfs like they're bowling pins then that's a let down
dusty osprey
Sonic should just do kh combat lmao
Eh no
still epoch
Make it faster and snappy and we have everything we need
dusty osprey
The reason that kh combat works is because kh as some of the brsr combat designers that are good at making that work.
Ive played alot of fast floaty games that feel not good or like nothing and i feel like its more likely to feel like that than something of interest
Kh not feeling meaningless is also because it has a complicated combat system thats half final fantasy
Sonic would not have that
So it would just be fast and floaty and nothing would mean anything
The reason kh feels good is because theres more going on under the hood than alot of people acknowledge. And its built on a treacherous tower too. Because kh3 technically has the best combat in the series. But because its environment and encounter design are wack along with its level design you can only engage with it in earnest on the hardest difficulty
Im not saying naw because i hate, kh. I love kh. Im also just aware , to some degree , the functionality that makes kh engaging to play
dusty osprey
I feel like alot of people write of kh as "just do that" and yes a sonic style kh game (preferably not staring sonic) would be fire. But kh isnt some like action combat stop gap. Its a complex thing on its on
dusty osprey
Okay then what game you think can work for sonic?
For mainline?
Oh just Bayonetta
Bayonetta is dmc but simpler
That's it
coarse ferry
Fair
dusty osprey
Everyine gets to feel cool, a bunch of the people who worked on them games work at sega already. Bayonetta is more focused on making the player feel cool so its less about the conbat complexities of player expression (though it has that) and more about how each fight expresses itself to you
Now is that what i want?
I want shadow dmc/kh. Or a whole ass sonic rpg.
But i think a mainline solution that would satisfy alot of people and has a high chance of being good. Is something like Bayonetta
1
Specifically 1
Not 2
Especially not 3
Just 1
Dont look at any other bayonetta
fossil echo
I get people constantly bring up DMC but I just don't think that series is meant...
People just say dmc for the flashiness
I think they should literally just go bayo on this shit
Iirc kishimoto said that was the original idea until playtesters whined about it cause God forbid you use a braincell on a sonic game
cunning echo
I disagree with the final horizon combat being simplified
I just think the enemies weren't changed or built for it
fossil echo
I dont think it was simplified, it just felt like it wasn't there
cunning echo
You have more control over it this time
fossil echo
Doesn't help that the skill tree on the other characters were less combat focused and more utility
cunning echo
With sonic it was more automatic
fossil echo
Compared to sonic
cunning echo
Even if it's less moves it still feels better
glossy sphinx
I agree!
coarse ferry
I feel like having a lot of moves can work, but only over the main protag and secondary protag in a way
wise chasm
I disagree with the final horizon combat being simplified
When I said "simplified" I mean they truncated all the finishing moves Sonic had
So they only really have a base combo, a parry and a couple special moves
toxic vapor
#freezewrongasusual
How am I wrong?
raw osprey
combat is cool
toxic vapor
Yeah but sonic combat should be simple, flashy and out of the way
fossil echo
If the combat is ass, it's still going to bring down the overall experience of the game. You should want them to land all aspects theyre trying to achieve
toxic vapor
More enemy design focused than in-depth combat mechanics
fossil echo
Simple and flashy doesn't mean it can't have depth
Its the fact that the combat is not only worse than gacha games, it's overall system is worse than unleashed. Hp, damage numbers, effects, combo, parry, etc literally none of it matters in frontiers
toxic vapor
I really don’t wanna care bout dodge offsets in my Sonic game
I wanna roll down hills
fossil echo
I said nothing about dodge
coarse ferry
One thing I wish they could utilize better is a dodge mechanic to embrace Sonic’s speed
fossil echo
Simple and flashy is like the epitome of hoyo game combat with 4 button click cutscenes and even that got more depth than whatever frontiers attempted
toxic vapor
Frontiers combat ain’t that great but I like its enemy variety
fossil echo
Frontiers doesn't even achieve the bare minimum is what im saying freeze
toxic vapor
Asura is fun to fight because of its options
fossil echo
I'm not talking about enemies though. I'm talking about how sonic plays. Stuff like asura or the spider having their own gimmicks is fine, but that not really part of what im talking about
Ghost is intense too but I wouldn't call that combat gameplay either, it's fight that utilized more sonic oriented gameplay which is fine
But on the combat oriented fights they try to do, it's lacking
Pretty badly
lunar trench
Frontiers doesn't even achieve the bare minimum is what im saying freeze
that's why i've been saying that for frontiers 2 sonic should be the only playable character
imo focusing on the character and giving him a proper combat moveset is really important
you could say that they should just do what they did in tfh
but idk none of them felt really fleshed out, iirc none of them hasd cinematics attached to their moveset like sonic does
cunning echo
Is prolly gonna be
I prefer alone sonic honestly
In mainline games
I really prefer other characters to just be in certain moments like 06
Or just an expansion with it like frontiers
coarse ferry
I feel like that’s how it should be really
At least with either 06 direction or frontiers direction
fossil echo
I miss campaigns
toxic vapor
I prefer alone sonic honestly
We gonna see them other characters probably
cunning echo
I don't 😭
coarse ferry
I feel like those two alone are the best way to utilize other sonic chars instead of how sa1/sa2 did
cunning echo
Sonic adventure is also my fav sonic game but I don't miss stories at all
coarse ferry
I love sa1 don’t get me wrong but 06 has the far better idea for multiple playable chars
fossil echo
Like i dont need a party of playable characters, i want a single focus on a different character perspective
cunning echo
I did liked the gamma one tho
cunning echo
I love gamma story but is because his gameplay is different from everyone
Is like playing Contra in 3D
coarse ferry
Gamma to me is a “special” char
lunar trench
I really prefer other characters to just be in certain moments like 06
i think i agree but i feel like this would just create frustration "oh i wish i could play xxx in this level" so idrk what's the ideal solution tbh
coarse ferry
We won’t get something like him again, but still stands out so well. Helps even more he is a one off
wise chasm
but idk none of them felt really fleshed out, iirc none of them hasd cinematics ...
Amy's lock-on attack and Knuckles' lock-on attacks are technically cinematics
cunning echo
i think i agree but i feel like this would just create frustration "oh i wish i ...
I mean they can just make them available to play there later on
Like sa2 multiplayer with races
lunar trench
ig yeah
lunar trench
Amy's lock-on attack and Knuckles' lock-on attacks are technically cinematics
oh yeah ig ur right
i forgor
eto
zinc spear
Okay then what game you think can work for sonic?
My take is that, you can take inspiration from certain games but for the combat to feel more sonic-y then maybe it should be more movement based?
And also have some environmental shtick to it. whether that's destructible things, using enemies own attacks against them, or just general environmental gimmicks. Like remember the sumo fight where you had to rebound off the walls to hit it a buncha times, what if something like those were more manual & physics based, and in the actual environment?
Say you're fighting some kinda giant robot in the jungle, running away from it as it chases you. spot a vine that you can rebound off of, for a more powerful hit
glossy sphinx
sounds interesting
unfortunately for y'all I don't see multiple playable characters going anytime soon, since it was stated that expanding on them was a goal for this "next generation of sonic". And I personally find that as a good thing
fossil echo
Idk what the other guys are talking bout, I want multiple playable characters, but I wish they'd do campaign format again
It was more cohesive for story telling imo and you got more out of individual characters
If it's just you play as sonic whole campaign and thats it and then unlock them at the end, what's the point
Its too safe for me like see guy we brought back character but uh if you find it shit we can just say it's optional and nothing gets fixed
I want sonics shitty friends back
prime hearth
I like superstars’ approach to it, being able to swap out characters between stages at any time but still giving em unique routes and endings
modest parcel
It satiates the fandom that only enjoys playing as Sonic but it comes at the cost of everyone else
prime hearth
lot more flexible than “tough shit you’ve locked yourself in as Knux for the rest of the playthru enjoy the shitty low jump with bosses :)” lol
modest parcel
Though at the same time it is a legitimate countermeasure to alternate playstyles hurting the game
fossil echo
lot more flexible than “tough shit you’ve locked yourself in as Knux for the res...
I mean in modern era this can be easily fixed
Different saves and flexibility and all
You dont have to ride or die to the end in one go without trying other characters
fossil echo
Though at the same time it is a legitimate countermeasure to alternate playstyle...
"Hurting the game" how about they just dont make it shit
modest parcel
fossil echo
Like the number one reason characters got so much backlash back then is cause of how half baked they were
And they controlled like ass
But that doesn't mean having alternative character playstyles is actually bad, it means Sega was full of shit internal decisions that we saw over and over
Like these games were not getting the quality control and polish they needed
glossy sphinx
I want sonics shitty friends back
WE want Sonic's shitty friends back
prime hearth
this time they’ve already got the blueprints to tinker with from TFH so hoooooopefully they’ve got a better handle on it
realistically expecting just the main four and maybe shadow if they wanna get silly with it but we’ll see what happens I guess
glossy sphinx
this time they’ve already got the blueprints to tinker with from TFH so hoooooop...
I find the foundation solid enough anyways, literally all they need to do is keep the base movement the same as sonic and build on top of it
modest parcel
For the sake of the reception of the formula I need to be open to TFH handling but my inner character stan is making me fight against better wisdom
wise chasm
still want them to do something like this:
- initially start as just sonic
- progress the story till you get to the next playable character
- they're now in your party and you can switch to them at any point in time and vice versa
boom
easy
glossy sphinx
yeah that's solid
prime hearth
Yeah I’d be down with that
fossil echo
still want them to do something like this:
- initially start as just sonic
- pro...
You mean dream team?
wide portal
“now in your party” does that mean they would follow you around
modest parcel
still want them to do something like this:
- initially start as just sonic
- pro...
The problem with that is that those characters are supporting characters at that point then
glossy sphinx
“now in your party” does that mean they would follow you around
now we're thinking too hard
🙂↕️
wise chasm
The problem with that is that those characters are supporting characters at that...
so?
modest parcel
I need chars to stand alone
wide portal
now we're thinking too hard
of course you’d be saying that
wise chasm
You're never getting that
wise chasm
modest parcel
You're never getting that
We got it in at least three games! (depending on if you were there for the leading characters of two of those)
glossy sphinx
GTA Sonic (I haven't played GTA5 in a decade im just saying shit)
modest parcel
Ideally it'd be Adventure through and through
Supporting cast being as low as possible
glossy sphinx
I just struggle imagining that with the new formula
wise chasm
I'd rather not have the situation where I have to go through the game multiple times again to experience everything
fossil echo
We got it in at least three games! (depending on if you were there for the leadi...
Campaigns were a thing in advance games, rush games, adventure games, heroes, riders games, and 06
wise chasm
Or having separate stories within one game related to each character
fossil echo
Pretty much almost all the 2000s games
modest parcel
I'd rather not have the situation where I have to go through the game multiple t...
Booooooo
fossil echo
With different levels of implementation
modest parcel
It's all unique content!
wise chasm
Those would be better as side quests or episodes or whatever
fossil echo
Or having separate stories within one game related to each character
But i like the separate stories
I like seeing what these characters are up to
modest parcel
Separate stories and campaigns >>>>
wise chasm
I do, just not with the current format
smoky summit
If there's campaigns I just hope that like, 1/3 to 1/2 of each campaign is unique
Although tbh
wise chasm
At this point I'd just make separate games if I'm honest
smoky summit
Feels like that concept isn't done much nowadays
modest parcel
At this point I'd just make separate games if I'm honest
That runs into sales issues if the gameplay isn't fleshed out enough to stand on its own
fossil echo
I do, just not with the current format
They can just adjust it so it's not mandatory for the final boss then ig bleh
wide portal
how about the main story switches perspective/character depending on where we’re at in the game, and any additional stuff is individual side quests you can pursue whenever you want (with the option to switch characters at any point)
glossy sphinx
Those would be better as side quests or episodes or whatever
I think I agree
glossy sphinx
how about the main story switches perspective/character depending on where we’re...
that's cool too
modest parcel
Most people just cram all the characters into a Sonic story already based off that logic, but it comes at the cost of the characters being optional to a fault
glossy sphinx
character specific side quests can def work
smoky summit
I don't think the campaigns are an issue, but the only game that made totally original campaigns was SA2
Original stages with recycled themes but like
Different enough
modest parcel
And Riders
wide portal
how about the main story switches perspective/character depending on where we’re...
So like, Sonic starts things off, he has his own Main Story quests and Side Story quests
Main Story has him meet up with Tails, and the story continues from there
so the game switches to Tails, who has his own Main Story and Side Story quests
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Yeah that too
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And Zero Gravity
fossil echo
At this point I'd just make separate games if I'm honest
But the point is that it's all part of the same story. I like how everything eventually converges at the end
smoky summit
But my god Riders story mode was hilariously short
modest parcel
Adventure had some unique levels even if reused in some ways
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Very F Zero GX coded