Maybe not?
#Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation
coarse ferry
I lost my investment over MK so it's harder for me to convince buying it. Doesn't help with that open world structure
💀
modest parcel
THE GUY WHO WOULDN'T DRIFT LMAOOOOOO
lunar trench
Not even drifiting
Yeah
😭
Pretty sure 99.99% of people do not engage with the parkour in mkwo
Cuz they all suck ass
(From the guy that sucks ass)
modest parcel
Parkour's main use is during the lapped races though
lunar trench
Yeah
coarse ferry
I feel like the parkour to me is make or break towards the player
Some may easily invest it throughout, while some don't
modest parcel
I just want the jump to be the drift for the straightaways for MKWorld
It's crazy the game dropped the ball on that front
lunar trench
In most cases charge jumps are useless
modest parcel
Yeah
coarse ferry
I feel like it doesn't help that Nintendo randomly bothers if they'll add any content or not. So people are just going to assume if there is even a choice or not
lunar trench
Not my clip but here's an example of that
modest parcel
I feel like it doesn't help that Nintendo randomly bothers if they'll add any co...
Adding content is the least of MKWorld's worries imo
modest parcel
If anything, like Kirby Air Riders, releasing a game and not releasing DLC is admirable
coarse ferry
Adding content is the least of MKWorld's worries imo
oh yeah fair, just more of saying people even expecting the game anything
Kirby Air Riders I am legit amazed the most
cunning echo
I think the open world being a thing is what makes me think no dlc honestly
unless they just do another islands
modest parcel
MKWorld's mythical fourth island...
cunning echo
ig they could make it a fortnite season kind of thing for mk world
modest parcel
Not wrong
pulsar horizon
I love course_name_1502. It’s my favorite track
modest parcel
Bro imagine Sakurai going crazy with the callbacks over the past sonic bosses
I'd imagine it'd be the new stuff that would be the most impactful
Lowkey
coarse ferry
Oh no doubt
modest parcel
Sakurai needs to escape the Smash Bros mines
untold kayak
grand cobalt
idk what was people talking about when they were revealed
More about their render than their model tbf
modest parcel
He cannot be chained to that series like he has, it's wild it took this long for him to get out
Let him make a fully original kirby game
coarse ferry
Yeah I feel like after with smash ult, he needs to do other things
modest parcel
Hell let him make a fully original game
pulsar horizon
Sakurai needs to escape the Smash Bros mines
He did… for one Kirby spin off. Now it’s back to the Smash mines with him
modest parcel
Noooooooooo
pulsar horizon
That was the deal
cunning echo
More about their render than their model tbf
ehh
ig so?
idk
the renders for them I do gotta say are kinda lazy lmao
pulsar horizon
He got to make Air Riders but at the cost of also getting Nintendo a new Smash Bros
modest parcel
That was the deal
It's like Insomniac becoming a Marvel only studio
pulsar horizon
It's like Insomniac becoming a Marvel only studio
Don’t get me started on that
I miss my Lombax already
coarse ferry
next smash is going to be a hellzone when it comes to char talk
Especially with the very louder ones looks at Sonic
🙃
cunning echo
I do think tangle pupils are a lil stretch
pulsar horizon
next smash is going to be a hellzone when it comes to char talk
Waluigi or bust
strange estuary
idk what was people talking about when they were revealed
Hm?
cunning echo
but that it
coarse ferry
Damn straight
strange estuary
What were people talking about when they revealed
cunning echo
why you think that dex
modest parcel
Because it's awful
cunning echo
Ultimate?
coarse ferry
I can legit say this as an example
I've gotten literal death threats just by wanting Ridley before he was playable 💀
cunning echo
I dont get it
coarse ferry
It's more the char speculation that is very toxic
pulsar horizon
I've gotten literal death threats just by wanting Ridley before he was playable ...
All I know is anyone they add it’s just gonna lead to “so and so took a slot. It should’ve been so and so”
coarse ferry
All I know is anyone they add it’s just gonna lead to “so and so took a slot. It...
Probably for the best
pulsar horizon
I’m already dealing with that rn with my friend (who never plays Crossworlds) and is complaining about SpongeBob being added before more Sega characters 😭
coarse ferry
You know what fair LMAO
cunning echo
spongebob gotta be the most devised dlc lmao
verbal tundra
I’m already dealing with that rn with my friend (who never plays Crossworlds) an...
we literally got more sega characters than 3rd parties bro
jus complainin to be complainin
coarse ferry
Exactly. Even SEGA made it clear SEGA chars are seperated from the paid DLC
verbal tundra
how u gonna complain abt the game u dont even play and not know what ur complaining abt
what sense does that make
pulsar horizon
how u gonna complain abt the game u dont even play and not know what ur complain...
Lemme see how many hours he has in game rq
Less than 3 hours
pulsar horizon
He wanted Jet Set instead of SpongeBob
untold kayak
😭
pulsar horizon
I literally told him Sega IP is free DLC and Jet Set might be later on and he went off on me about how the paid DLC is just a Paramount advertisement 😭
modest parcel
I hope he doesn't
verbal tundra
MAN SHUT UP
modest parcel
Because JSR's new designs come out in year 2
wide portal
erm we don’t know that yet
coarse ferry
I can't see them ignore JSR since it's always been one of SEGA's most popular IPs
It's just that well. a waiting game lmao
fossil echo
Okay so funny thing I saw people talking about this on 4chan cause a guy in the thread got his entire save file nuked due to this update and he's been going back and forth with sega/epic support 💀 💀 💀
This was like 2 days ago
When the festival started
Apparently there are balance changes but they didn't get enough time to dig through em
fossil echo
out of order cause i put this together fast but kinda funny
also this is the screen in question but this guy panicked and didnt go any futher. I dont think it really confirms balance changes but
grand cobalt
yeah I wouldn’t take that as confirmation, leaph’s review copy got the same notice when it added the dlc chars pre-launch
autumn yacht
getting an update too early that locks you out of our save data is a meme
fossil echo
Epic games moment
untold kayak
Interesting way to find out about a patch notes
fossil echo
Just realized but megaman isn't in this update
Hmm
Tailstube version showed a build that had him i think
silent haven
Tailstube version showed a build that had him i think
it doesn’t
nights/aiai/pac man vehicles are shown in the vehicle menu but that’s it
ember junco
aren’t nights and aiai releasing before t&w?
I think it’s a deliberate choice
So when they are available they’re organised with the other Sonic characters and not like awkwardly inbetween the Sega reps
Like so they’re put between the Prime Characters and Joker just so it looks cleaner
ember junco
Just realized but megaman isn't in this update
Given the roadmap I think they’re gonna be either like day one of the next patch or very close like in that same week or smth
stiff salmon
out of order cause i put this together fast but kinda funny
please speed i need this ahh post
fossil echo
nights/aiai/pac man vehicles are shown in the vehicle menu but that’s it
Ah. I think i got pac's car jumbled in my brain cause its red too
fossil echo
How tf is it getting leaked already???
Epic games sent the update out too early and bricked people's save files 💀
ember junco
Wait since they put it out early could that mean the update is this week?
Or is it just more likely it’s next week on like the 4th for Switch 2
fossil echo
Prolly next week
stiff salmon
Or is it just more likely it’s next week on like the 4th for Switch 2
next week that way it launches with switch 2 edition
raw osprey
we also getting legend lobbies next week
toxic vapor
TS so chopped bro
That perma ass brow ruins so many expressions, one of the worst Modern Sonic design traits...
@fossil echo Did you find anymore leaks??
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
am I the ONLY ONE who has to give their predictions
smoky summit
What is your prediction
lunar trench
https://tenor.com/view/futaba-anime-type-gif-15839035
They stole this haru from us smh
Dgmw i love current haru tho
glossy sphinx
They stole this haru from us smh
#nocomment 👀👀
lunar trench
Bruh wtf does that even mean smh
still epoch
Do it nero
glossy sphinx
Bruh wtf does that even mean smh
I won't say if we were robbed or not because im loyal to final Haru
lunar trench
Listen i ended up with her cuz she's still my fav
glossy sphinx
Do it nero
I'll type them up somewhere else I don't wanna look crazy typing by myself in here
raw osprey
They stole this haru from us smh
beta haru was mid
lunar trench
I just long for the "possibility"
still epoch
I'll type them up somewhere else I don't wanna look crazy typing by myself in he...
DO IT
toxic vapor
Crazy how Nero's gonna say most of the shit I predict but he has aura so ya'll will trust him more...
lunar trench
Okay freeze 💀
toxic vapor
HE IS NOT PLAYBOI CARTI
toxic vapor
Okay freeze 💀
your prediction:
lunar trench
I've already made them !
toxic vapor
"wee wee i like bagettes, sonic unleashed 2 totally"
lunar trench
Stoopid
toxic vapor
😋
toxic vapor
I've already made them !
Could I read them actually
lunar trench
"wee wee i like bagettes, sonic unleashed 2 totally"
Okay whatever you say got get bitten by a snake or a spider in your uv 15 ass country
toxic vapor
I'm interested
toxic vapor
Okay whatever you say got get bitten by a snake or a spider in your uv 15 ass co...
At least my cities don't smell like piss and cigarettes
😊
lunar trench
You have never been to france
toxic vapor
Now what's your predictions lmao
lunar trench
That's what i'm saying, you've never been to france
lunar trench
and talk bout frontier s2
Nah nvm, dw anymore
Look it up it's somewhere
Do the work, i ain't gonna do it for you
glossy sphinx
Crazy how Nero's gonna say most of the shit I predict but he has aura so ya'll w...
W glaze
toxic vapor
<:keanu:1227638573059014726> where are you
Why do you love Nero more then me
toxic vapor
Do the work, i ain't gonna do it for you
PLEASEEE
I NEED THIS
My speculation is kinda homeless
glossy sphinx
My predictions are
- Physics are taking the front seat here, I don't think it'll be necessary to master them but they're definitely gonna build certain platforming challenges, stage shortcuts, or secrets around it
- a type of boost will still be here in some way, I think they're gonna make use of the rocket boost capsules from TFH
- new models, most likely with Uekawa/Karasuno inspiration in there, mainly with the proportions.
- heavily improved animations
- I don't expect them doing more than the main 5 for playable characters but there's def opportunities for returning characters being NPC's
- I think the open zones will be connected you just gotta unveil the map
- more classic inspiration when it comes to gameplay philosophies
- I don't think combat will operate like Frontiers I think it'll be pretty different
- Something tells me the zone themes will be similar to the original Crossworlds stuff but overall more polished, and that's a good thing because those strike a good balance
- I think there will be less titan fights and more character fights for the important bosses
- aside from the physics based stuff and new movesets there's obviously gonna be a new big gimmick that will help differentiate this game from it's predecessor
(not a prediction but I hope they finally implement stuff like wall mounting and ledge grabbing...)
still epoch
Good predictions
glossy sphinx
uhhh if you want me to predict something else then just ask about the topic
glossy sphinx
Good predictions
glossy sphinx
oh yeah and there's gonna be top tier hype aura moments that they'll flaunt in trailers
dusty osprey
I'm trying to figure out mechnically what he would do with the series
toxic vapor
My ***predictions*** are
- Physics are taking the front seat here, I don't think...
Ain't this what I've been saying
glossy sphinx
Ain't this what I've been saying
idk you probably just word it weirdly I've been locked out
lunar trench
Ain't this what I've been saying
Nah
modest parcel
Prediction scoreboard rules:
2 points for accurate predictions
1 point for at least half true predictions
5 points for designated long shot predictions
-1 points for incorrect predictions
Let’s see what you got TC
lunar trench
You said boost would dissapear entirely if not for corporate meddling
glossy sphinx
I think they're gonna be sneaky and find some way to sneak the boost in lol but I don't think it'll be available to use all the time lol
people need that rush one way or another
brainrotted Tiktok babies
lunar trench
Kill'em
glossy sphinx
Prediction scoreboard rules:
2 points for accurate predictions
1 point for at l...
betttt
modest parcel
I'm trying to figure out mechnically what he would do with the series
Play Air Riders to find out his absolute insanity tbh
dusty osprey
Play Air Riders to find out his absolute insanity tbh
I'm familiar
lunar trench
I'd like that sadly i just put way too much money in a brand new laptop
modest parcel
I'm familiar
It’s more so along the lines of
dusty osprey
i'm just aware enough to know X director on Y thing does not always work out and they need to have an understanding of what makes a thing nteresting. So i'm thinking, what would he do?
modest parcel
Sakurai would pull out an insane final secret or something
dusty osprey
Like people wanted yoshi p on ff16 that shit ended up mid as hell. I think sakurai has a incredible understanding of what makes his games fun and interesting. But i'm curious if that translates to sonic in a way that would be cool
still epoch
The boost capsules are so interesting to me
They are probably the most interesting gimmick from tfh
I dont find them great
dusty osprey
All i can say is this
still epoch
The levels they are in are some of the worst
dusty osprey
whatever the sakurai sonic game would be,
still epoch
But it is a way to create that kind of uncontrollable speed
glossy sphinx
I dont find them great
tbh they're kinda like the speed shoes of frontiers lol
dusty osprey
Shadow propaganda you've never seen before
glossy sphinx
The levels they are in are some of the worst
don't disrespect 4A.
lunar trench
I dont find them great
I find them bad bcs of how they're designed rather than the concept itself tbh
dusty osprey
Its like if sakurai made a kof iroi an d dash would be the main character
Sakurai is bringng back neo metal and fusing hm to infinite
still epoch
I THINK 4A SUCKS
glossy sphinx
I THINK 4A SUCKS
FUCK YOU
still epoch
Yea the concept is interesting
glossy sphinx
2 different conversations at the same time let's gooo
toxic vapor
You said boost would dissapear entirely if not for corporate meddling
100%
still epoch
I think the way its just so like, uncontrollable and the feel you get from it is crazy
toxic vapor
Stand by it!
still epoch
I think the way its just so like, uncontrollable and the feel you get from it is...
And it can be used for some crazy challenges
glossy sphinx
still epoch
What do you guys type to find these gifs
toxic vapor
Then that's not the same thing that nero said
Nero would say the same thing but he's not as blunt as me
glossy sphinx
Nero would say the same thing but he's not as blunt as me
don't lie
lunar trench
No that's just two different statements
glossy sphinx
I don't think it would be corporate meddling I just think it would be as simple as them wanting to preserve the boost in some type of way. And there's many ways to do that without including it within the base moveset.
(I'm saying all of this assuming the boost isn't apart of the base moveset Incase you couldn't tell.)
still epoch
The boost is the zoomer friendly button
cunning echo
The boost ain't what it was anyways
toxic vapor
I think corporate meddling isn't the right word when I think most of Sonic Team would convince the mechanic to be added on top
I just don't think the director, Kishimoto, wanted most of his titles to be boost games
glossy sphinx
Bro don't even
there's a difference between being blunt and yapping 🌛
okay then sure if the usual boost is in the game then id consider that being a thing only due to weird factors
toxic vapor
My ***predictions*** are
- Physics are taking the front seat here, I don't think...
more classic inspiration when it comes to gameplay philosophies
i think i won...
toxic vapor
okay then sure if the usual boost is in the game then id consider that being a t...
my point yeah
glossy sphinx
> more classic inspiration when it comes to gameplay philosophies
i think i won....
I should change it to advance
no cl*ssic around here
toxic vapor
no cl*ssic around here
BROOOOO
lunar trench
no cl*ssic around here
toxic vapor
i hope you get no unleashed...
the new model is 100% gonna have a level of classic influence
on my life
glossy sphinx
hmmmmm
lunar trench
i hope you get no unleashed...
Dw all the unleashed i need is here
prime hearth
Epic games sent the update out too early and bricked people's save files 💀
Damn that sucks for all six EGS players
raw osprey
what about me
grand cobalt
dense snow
The mistake was choosing to buy it on the epic games store
smoky summit
Prediction:
- I think the presentation leak is real in concept, not in detail.
- I think it will still be on Hedgehog Engine with new systems added like ray tracing etc.
- I think it will be somewhat more linear open zone gameplay with areas where the world seamlessly deforms into something else for a while (Like Shadow Gens, but based more on entering a certain area).
- I think big ring portals will be involved in some way
- I think they will replace the boost with a dash button that just gives you a short burst of speed in a certain direction. Can be spammed with a short cooldown.
- I think the spindash will be a metered ability again like TFH but you need rings/other resources to make it recharge faster. It will be a little heavier and more akin to Sonic X where you are a pinballing ball of energy
- I think combat will remain simple but abilities will be snappier (and I think everything will be reanimated)
- I think there will be a new Metal Sonic form/new Mechanical Sonic doppleganger.
- I think Sonic will have new super form adjacent forms (something like fire Sonic).
- I think it will mostly be solo Sonic again. Other characters to either have a small playable appearance for plot or playable in side content.
- I was debating this, but I will feel like the cyloop will return in some form.
toxic vapor
Prediction:
- I think the presentation leak is real in concept, not in detail.
-...
Is this prediction also a want?
smoky summit
No I want like SA1 remake lmao
Oh also long shot:
There will be time travel, but Silver won't play a big role
strange estuary
out of order cause i put this together fast but kinda funny
Lol
toxic vapor
There will be time travel, but Silver won't play a big role
Do you think they're gonna actually keep the Update 2 spindash
Or give him a proper roll + stop and charge spindash
You locking that down?
cunning echo
I doubt they would keep the frontiers spindash, is too broken. It will prolly be balanced to be just better than lost word
toxic vapor
I doubt they would keep the frontiers spindash, is too broken. It will prolly be...
This sounds like they'll still keep it like Lost World & Frontiers versus actually embracing phyiscs based gameplay
dusty osprey
There will be time travel, but Silver won't play a big role
why you gotta do silver like that
toxic vapor
I mean, it works
Bro you've known me for so long to know that "it works" doesn't equal like
Anything??
Frontiers also has a garbage roll system in 2D LMAO
cunning echo
Anything??
Yeah to you
But everything is subjective 😭
For me it works, for you it doesn't and that's fine
I'm the kind of person that just spams the spindash in sa1 even tho is slower than fully charge it
toxic vapor
Honestly more for me to complain about!!!
smoky summit
Do you think they're gonna actually keep the Update 2 spindash
I brought up what I think they will do with the spindash.
I think the option to do it instantly will be retained, and that will be the rolling equivalent
cunning echo
So it works for me
toxic vapor
What works for you is more for me to complain
And gives me more motivation to work on projects that align with my views on what Sonic should be
Keeps me going
cunning echo
The only thing I want them to change is how it just zooms out, I want it to stay on the floor like in lw if they bring it back
In frontiers it flies a lot but that can be due to the bad collision
smoky summit
I think they will add a thing where you can bonk weak enemies and ride them as a skateboard for a short while
toxic vapor
I just don't see how like keeping the boost and spindash will lead to anything good
cunning echo
I think they will add a thing where you can bonk weak enemies and ride them as a...
Like the one fan game?
That thing was cool in there ngl
smoky summit
Or the movie lol
toxic vapor
Like yes I want the games to be hold RT to go fast!!
That is what Sonic was always about, pressing a go fast button to get to any destination
If Kishimoto goes that route, he's failed as a director, so real
cunning echo
Freeze believe me when I tell you that is not really a big deal 😭
Like I said, everything is subjective
smoky summit
I think having a boost like thing is more important than the spindash to them
toxic vapor
Like I said, everything is subjective
Just because your a comformist doesn't mean that I have to be fine with whatever
In the way it's subjective, subjectively I think that it sucks!
smoky summit
And I'm thinking about this from a consumer test perspective
cunning echo
Everyone has their ideal sonic game, design, etc
You can please one person but it doesn't mean everyone will be so what sonic team does is give something that is balanced but works
smoky summit
I think having the go fast button also double as the button that turns you into a literal ball will be odd for consumers
And it will be a scanerio where they only naturally only think to use it in specific locations
Not just it as the go fast traversal option
cunning echo
I think having the go fast button also double as the button that turns you into ...
It could work as long as is not the only way to go fast
Like speed sim
smoky summit
That is what most new SA1/2 players do
cunning echo
You have the boost but you can also just run normally and get speed lmao
Oh and the spindash
toxic vapor
You can please one person but it doesn't mean everyone will be so what sonic tea...
And I hope Sonic Team gives me what a lot of people have been wanting that they've abandoned
Now we go with the compromise lmao
I want no compromise with the next game lmao
Boost doesn't work well with rolling physics, everytime it's implemented it leads to unbalanced design that only really benefits people who want a sandbox
cunning echo
I'm sure they'll deliver something great, not sure if it will please everyone tho 😬
toxic vapor
It's the same mentality that lead to the sliders which are horrible game design
toxic vapor
Same mentality that allows sprint in the OG Halo even though it goes against the game design
cunning echo
They sometimes listened too much to fans and externals
toxic vapor
Sonic Team is listening to the fans more than ever
cunning echo
Is why forces is the way it is
toxic vapor
You are saying incorrect things LMAO
cunning echo
Na
toxic vapor
There we go bro, this ain't a Radical Soda video from 2018, Sega never listened to the fans
You are saying false hoods lmao
cunning echo
Sonic team has always listened to fans
If they listened wrong is up to debate but they never shut themselves
toxic vapor
Sonic Team actively listened to media that was filtered through by Sega corporate. It wasn't until Kishimoto actually listened to the fans and actually got what they meant
Kishimoto actually knows what fans want more and is gonna incorporate that more
How is that Sonic Team listening to themselves more?
Do you know how any of this works bro or are you just sprouting things you've heard of on the internet
cunning echo
How is that Sonic Team listening to themselves more?
Frontiers is pretty much a "let's do something we really want to do"
lol
toxic vapor
It literally reads like a RadicalSoda 2018 video where he goes "hurr durr Sega should stop listening to the fans" like they ever actually listened to the die hard fans
smoky summit
So what I'm trying to say is, the average player will have an easier time relating boost to "going fast" than a move than turns you into a ball which would be seen as more situational
And ofc, I think a large factor in this is that they don't want the base speed/acceleration to be too high either.
So I feel like a boost-like thing is probably seen as essential
toxic vapor
Frontiers is pretty much a "let's do something we really want to do"
Okay? They can do that and listen to the fans as well?
cunning echo
And they are
toxic vapor
So what I'm trying to say is, the average player will have an easier time relati...
I disagree
I'd argue that watching people play Unleashed or Gens, those games can be harder to really understand, to the point they don't even hold the X button
You can easily (and I have) design stages with a momentum based Sonic character controller with easy to access bottom paths with spectacle to tie players over.
smoky summit
They wouldn't hold a spindash button in those games either
cunning echo
They didn't stop listening, I'm just saying they are just finally listening to themselves too because they also have to please themselves first to please others
smoky summit
I think the problem is there is that
toxic vapor
You don't have to hold a spindash if you just design bottom path design with basic platforming and objects + encouraging them to get better
smoky summit
A lot of the gameplay is designed to where you either hold the button or you don't have a good time
toxic vapor
That's especially a dumbfounded argument when Mario 64 was loved and that has an acceleration based character controller in an open environment
smoky summit
You're gonna have to be constantly spindashing
toxic vapor
Most players actively don't like getting handholded
smoky summit
Mario 64 is not the benchmark for anything nowadays
cunning echo
Honestly I prefer the run button in 64 DS 😭
toxic vapor
Not a benchmark when it's still being used as a basis for game design today?
toxic vapor
Honestly I prefer the run button in 64 DS 😭
Davih we know you like keys jangling dawg just play Forces
😋
coarse ferry
Best P5 Girl 🗿
cunning echo
Goated
smoky summit
It is only loved because it is itself. If anything game tries to copy Mario 64 in 2026 it will flop outside of some niche attempts at glazing "omg this game has backwards long jumppop"
toxic vapor
That is literally false because Mario Odyssey and Bananza are still actively glazed modern games that follow that philosophy
lunar trench
You ended up with Haru????
Brother yeah 😭 ?????
toxic vapor
Literally every open world sandbox game with movement owes themselves to Mario 64 lmao
And that'd apply to Sonic?
smoky summit
Those don't play like Mario 64
toxic vapor
All I'm gonna say is that we will see what happens with Frontiers 2
Maybe you guys are right!
But we'll see what happens
smoky summit
And ironically they have very simple character controllers lol
cunning echo
Ok but what if they don't please you tho 😭
toxic vapor
Cause I have a gut feeling that both of ya'll are gonna learn the hard way!
cunning echo
What are you gonna do about it even if the game is amazing
toxic vapor
Ok but what if they don't please you tho 😭
Then I'll play it and get opinions on it?
It's fundementally anti-Sonic but I like Generations, fun game
Not a great Sonic game
I can play Assassin's Creed Origins and enjoy it whilst disliking it from a fundamental perspective for dishonouring every aspect that made Assassin's Creed so enjoyable
cunning echo
Damn
smoky summit
But look, a lot of what works there won't really work as well on Sonic just by virtue of him being faster and harder to control
cunning echo
But look, a lot of what works there won't really work as well on Sonic just by v...
I think we're past that
Gens and unleashed were stiff to control
Mostly cuz he was like a car
toxic vapor
The biggest argument you could've made is that acceleration based character controllers are hard to control in regular platforming scenarios. What if I'm going to fast and I wanna stop and do a puzzle, but I have to unwind
cunning echo
I still think colors has the best boost control
toxic vapor
THAT is a valid rebuttal that I had to make for you lmao
toxic vapor
Lowkey most can be fixed by just not restricting Sonic going uphill at low speeds, not making Sonic too slow and just designing the world around that character controller
cunning echo
As for later on games, frontiers boost is just run button same as lost world and with shadow gens is just the same but with the old destroy enemies mechanics
toxic vapor
Listen man we'll see, we have a whole year
I wanna ask yall, what IF they do that
What if they do a rolling based Sonic with no boost or heavily nerfed boost
toxic vapor
At least making Sonic gain speed beyond a speedcap without boosting and making him only reach top speed via rolling
cunning echo
And enemy damage sometimes
toxic vapor
How would you all feel about that!
smoky summit
For one, idk why Unleashed and Generations are even in contention here. They had very specific design that would be very hard to set up with any other gameplay style. What they did served the visuals very well and they are remembered very fondly
That's it
Colors can have better controls than Mario it doesn't matter
cunning echo
lunar trench
Cause I have a gut feeling that both of ya'll are gonna learn the hard way!
oh no guys the game might gonna be good freeze was right how are we gonna survive this fact 
cunning echo
He's mostly pointing out the gameplay part 😭
smoky summit
The biggest argument you could've made is that acceleration based character cont...
And again, this is bs. They're hard to control in any scenario lol
And idk what there is to learn lmao
My enjoyment of the game will be affected 0% by whether Sonic has "proper rolling physics" or not lol
cunning echo
Learn?
Oh that
I think
Is something I actually see a lot in the fan base (only in twt honestly). I feel like everyone just passes their beliefs or their ideal sonic as in "this is what we all want" when is really not the case
Is mostly why all arguments come in and out
sick bobcat
How would you all feel about that!
I will be excited cause its something different from Sonic Team
but it has to be good
Superstars taught me that, having proper physics does not guarantee a Sonic game to be a 9/10 or a 10/10 game
still epoch
Absolutely not lol
We need way more than just rolling physics
It would be nice but
Its really not necessary
I dont think it is a priority
cunning echo
It would be a nice addition
wise chasm
it's a combination of things that makes a videogame "very good"
Superstars has rolling physics, but that matters dick all because everything else isn't anything noteworthy
still epoch
It feels like when people say rolling physics they ignore the other just as important aspects
cunning echo
Superstars has rolling physics, but that matters dick all because everything els...
But bobnik they should specifically build around it
The whole level should made for rolling
fossil echo
Freeze i think you may be getting too hung up on this. Like there's nothing to prove against us, if sonic team provides what you're talking about im sure we'll enjoy it (as long as it's done well) but like I think most people are just trying to be realistic and keep expectations in check
cunning echo
Yeah
wise chasm
Frontiers can feel like shit from a butt and made out of sticks and stones, but it did enough different things that isolated it into a more unique experience in the series (proper combat, leveling, more open zones, multiple Super Sonic fights, hell, even an updates roadmap counts)
fossil echo
Sonic team hasn't budged on these things in well over 2 decades now so excuse us for not believing it'll happen now
cunning echo
I can't talk for everyone ofc but I just want simple changes, idk why that is being conformist 😭
Mario does it
Why can't it just be soft and natural changes
untold kayak
Pinball physics aren't a do or die for Sonic ganes, they never were
still epoch
Soft and natural changes is a nice way of saying it
cunning echo
Like, I'm sure it would be better if they just add stuff people want like rolling and all that stuff slowly rather than putting all in the blender
wise chasm
Mario games, for better or worse, still do new things each game that differentiate it from other games in the series, it's rarely just "the same game but again!", be it gimmick-wise, visuals-wise, etc.
other than, like, NSMB series
cunning echo
Changing stuff so drastic will lead to something that isn't ready
cunning echo
Mario games, for better or worse, still do new things each game that differentia...
Gameplay wise they still sorta similar to 64
wise chasm
Yeah, but the design approach is still very different between each game
cunning echo
At least for the mainline ones like sunshine or odyssey just with new gimmick and more polished moves
wise chasm
Sunshine has FLUDD
Galaxy is a less open-ended game that has planets and gravity and shit
3D Land and World are a pure translation of 2D games' philosophy into 3D
cunning echo
They are pretty similar to play just with one or 2 new moves like rolling in Odyssey
wise chasm
Odyssey has Cappy and a much more exploratory approach to progressing
cunning echo
For sonic it never felt like that for example 😭
We went from adventure to heroes to shadow to 06 to unleashed to lost world
wise chasm
If Odyssey and Sunshine are similar to 64, then everything that came out after Unleashed is similar to, well, Unleashed and everything between Adventure games and Unleashed is similar to Adventure
That's how I see it
cunning echo
Playstation spiderman is also good example
The second game and miles morales aren't much different from the first one but the changes they did make it miles better
Is just like small changes for the base stuff that makes it better and adding newer stuff that helps the experience
wise chasm
I...don't know if I'd call those changes small
toxic vapor
My enjoyment of the game will be affected 0% by whether Sonic has "proper rollin...
And mine does so idk where this convo will go
cunning echo
I...don't know if I'd call those changes small
As in they don't change its base just make it better
Should've worded it better
But going from just being able to swing to swing and glide
toxic vapor
Lowkey made my brother playtest an unfinished fan game level
And he was calling it a shit stage and asking where’s boost
Lmao
cunning echo
wise chasm
As in they don't change its base just make it better
hmm, I think I get it
I guess that's where the miscommunication is, because I find additions to core moveset a lot more than "simple"
Like gliding in Spidey 2 changes how you traverse the world a shitton
cunning echo
In gameplay is a big change but in paper is a little small
smoky summit
I feel like thinking about it from the sense that "the game has to be fun, fast paced and accessible on first playthrough, not on replays only" establishes a lot of the reasons why I think Sonic Team does things the way they do
cunning echo
Sonic team is really ambitious and I love that but they take things a little too fast
smoky summit
Ofc there will be hard challenges that take several tries, ofc there will be parts to be careful
cunning echo
If they end up doing a sonic gt
That would be too big of a change I doubt they want to do that
untold kayak
I feel like thinking about it from the sense that "the game has to be fun, fast ...
In any game really
sick bobcat
Insomniac Spidey 2 is another example of a game having great gameplay
but the story is considered worse than the previous two games by some people that it ruined the whole experience for them
untold kayak
Most people don't have the time or patience to do replays to that level of detail
still epoch
That would be too big of a change I doubt they want to do that
I wouldnt want that either considering gt is so inaccessible
cunning echo
Most people don't have the time or patience to do replays to that level of detai...
Yeah that's the problem
Sonic games are easy to replay cuz of their simplicity
wise chasm
Spidey 2 was also less polished at the time funnily enough, that shit crashed 4 times on my PS5 that was relatively fresh at the time
smoky summit
But I can tell you this very specific example: A lot of fan games have been doing this thing where your homing attack carries your momentum.
It is never fun on first playthrough because you always don't know where the f it's flinging yo, you don't know where to go from there, and you get disoriented af
cunning echo
I wouldnt want that either considering gt is so inaccessible
I think it is but going from a boost gameplay to that would make people turn it off
But gt gameplay is not hard to learn
sick bobcat
~~Spidey 2 was also less polished at the time funnily enough, that shit crashed ...
I didnt experience any crashes on my first playthrough
wise chasm
Frontiers already deviated from boost gameplay by making it not damage the enemies. Relatively simple change, changes how the game feels a shitton mostly for the better but shhhhh
smoky summit
I can say this as as someone who is generally average at these games
GT was devastating lmao
still epoch
But gt gameplay is not hard to learn
it is so difficult to manage
smoky summit
Hill Top took me 15mins+ to navigate
still epoch
Hill Top is horrific
smoky summit
The city stage I got through without really knowing where I was going
cunning echo
Oh yeah hill top 😭
still epoch
Its such a huge level and you cant even take your time with it
smoky summit
And pyramid cave was also that just go somewhere and hope its correct
still epoch
Disorientating is what id call gt
The way you can homing attack and be sent flying to god knows where
smoky summit
I'm not gonna fault 3D fan boss fights cause I just don't think people had enough experience with that to even attempt to to make them good
cunning echo
the fan game that I still like a lot movement wise is still project hero
still epoch
This is where pure momentum can be a problem
sick bobcat
if Frontiers Update 3 and Dream Team's latest update is of any indication, We might go back to the era of Sonic games with the Spin Dash being a main mechanic
Unless Sonic Team gets rid of it again
cunning echo
and is literally super simple
smoky summit
Isn't spindash in speed sim just another boost lol
I mean
Dream Team
Speed Sim started with the spindash
modest parcel
No you have an actual boost for Dream Team
smoky summit
But they made it useless after 2.0
I know I mean
Isn't the spindash just the boost 2.0 in Dream Team
modest parcel
Actually idk I never played it
smoky summit
Does it have useful special properties
wise chasm
Actually idk I never played it
strongest dream team soldier btw
modest parcel
Nah that's David
modest parcel
I'm the other David that sells it out for hype moments and aura
cunning echo
Isn't spindash in speed sim just another boost lol
Sorta
but it doesn't work in up hills
is why they added the boost later on
I remember that day because freeze was arguing with one of the devs about it 😭
grand cobalt
modest parcel
Oh my god
smoky summit
Ok Dream Team spindash acts like you'd expect and they added the spin drift thingy that is popular in fan concepts
It's slightly faster than regular boost if you ref all the way
And has some momentum physics TM
It's cool
cunning echo
yeaa
cunning echo
i have no idea how much speed sim changed
Same
the last time I played was when they released the emerald coast race
cunning echo
wdym
smoky summit
It's basically got everything Freeze asks for one way or another
cunning echo
Dream team is cool I just wish it wasn't on mobile only
modest parcel
It's basically got everything Freeze asks for one way or another
I mean not really
I'm gonna take a look at the spindash but I doubt it escapes the inherent design the boost comes with
Alr I'm back
Dream Team didn't have a lot of opportunities to run downhill so it's not like rolling was ever going to be meaningful in the game
toxic vapor
If they end up doing a sonic gt
They will never do a GT
modest parcel
But in the context of the capped speed, there's really no benefit to using it over the boost outside of... not using a meter I guess?
toxic vapor
But I can tell you this very specific example: A lot of fan games have been doin...
Lol
modest parcel
But I can tell you this very specific example: A lot of fan games have been doin...
I do agree with this though
The problem is
People assume that because one is more accessible you can't have the other
toxic vapor
It's basically got everything Freeze asks for one way or another
The boost fundamentally is in Dream Team which makes it not my ideal Sonic game
sick bobcat
Spin Dash in Dream Team works about what I expect, from what ive seen in videos
but the game was not designed around it
modest parcel
I can see the lack of a meter effecting speedruns at the v least
toxic vapor
Yall don’t know what’s in my head space in Dream 3D Sonic
toxic vapor
@modest parcel what do you think my dream sonic game is
From talking to me
Honest question
modest parcel
CD but 3D with some modern flairs
toxic vapor
Bro that’s not wide enough
modest parcel
Wym wide
toxic vapor
Oddly CD is a no?
toxic vapor
I mean too broad
CD design is a lil hard in 3D
Honestly an open-zone would carry a lot of that in spirit
modest parcel
Alright then SRB2 (Mania/Generations level design but good) type levels with the multitude of routing possible being the point
Idk you've never stated any of these preferences from what I've seen
Only talked negatively about games that don't live up to your expectations
Like 2, 3&K, Mania
still epoch
Srb2 :3
glossy sphinx
lol
modest parcel
glossy sphinx
Freeze SRB2 fan!!!
hybrid hill
https://tenor.com/view/interrobang-gif-7538345597201444266
punctuation dysmorphia
glossy sphinx
I typed the lol expecting for him to reply early, and not take this long 😭😭
modest parcel
Is he like writing an essay elsewhere before pasting it in here or smthn
still epoch
Not too difficult
modest parcel
I don't think he's read it yet if he's gonna respond 
mint umbra
guys do you want to read fake sonic leaks from 2013 that i just found
imagine believing you could be getting this and then getting sonic lost world lmfao
"xbox infinite" lmao
wise chasm
"Do not worry, it is not Dimps, SEGA ended the relationship with them"
damn, so close
toxic vapor
Freeze SRB2 fan!!!
I enjoy it
toxic vapor
I don't think he's read it yet if he's gonna respond <:chum:1350101023800295434>
I got food with my bro
mint umbra
looking at old sonic news is crazy
what do you mean they didnt know amy would be in sa2
wise chasm
ik s4e1 what is the 2nd bad game
Lost World 3DS
humble drum
Lost World 3DS
Nuh uh
wise chasm
Was about to say, some might disagree
humble drum
mint umbra
imagine being there for the pumpkin hill reveal dude...
humble drum
I was -5 years old
I wouldn't even say s4e1 was dimps' fault
Since it was just supposed to be a mobile game
And sega rushed into a console one
still epoch
Sonic Pocket Adventure
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Unwiished
Sonic 4 Episode 1
Sonic Colors
Sonic Generations
Sonic 4 Episode 2
Sonic Lost World
Oh thats more than 9
humble drum
Unwiished
still epoch
Oh shit
toxic vapor
Like 2, 3&K, Mania
Wait I like 2, 3&K and Mania
still epoch
12 dimps games
mint umbra
imagine being there for the pumpkin hill reveal dude...
can you imagine seeing this trailer for the first time dude this shit would get me so hyped
cunning echo
Sonic Pocket Adventure
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Rush
...
Unleashed for Wii and ps2 wasn't dimps btw
It was actually sonic team
still epoch
Whats the truth
cunning echo
They only had a level designer or I think it was the director that worked in rush
cunning echo
Or more like we didn't know 😭
I remember cuz I saw it in a video and then David was talking about it in VC once
It was around the frontiers updates times
dawn pumice
Prediction:
- I think the presentation leak is real in concept, not in detail.
-...
Wait, we doin next sonic game predictions, imma give my hand in it
- TGA announcement, only a teaser and nothing else
- fully believe the PowerPoint is real, cyberpunk city and everything
- i feel like we r getting a model rework but not what people expect
- sonic is gonna be the only playable character, i dont think theres gonna be others
- I feel like many mentioned before but physics are the front center of this game and I feel like they connect the gimmick in some way
- gimmick being some time warping shit similar to CD where u have to maintain ur momentum
- levels are gonna be absolutely shit
- combat is going to be vastly different in a good way
cunning echo
levels are gonna be absolutely shit 😭
spice axle
Fiery once again being pessimistic. 
zinc spear
Like if we're gonna make predictions then why not go batshit crazy with em?
fossil echo
I just don't see how like keeping the boost and spindash will lead to anything g...
Honestly I had an idea of like
They could just turn it into a difficulty mode thing. Like how they tried to do with frontiers having the two modes be different ends of the sliders. But instead its like just leave boost mode for casuals, spin dash for hardcore fans. And then they can just do stages like final horizon where you can use whichever to complete how you want
zinc spear
It's tricky to design a stage and a world around both though right?
So unless you design it with one or the other in mind then you aren't necessarily going to get the best out of either
fossil echo
Not entirely i dont think, tfh stages definitely lean more to utilizing the spin dash but they're entirely possible with boost
From i saw of the little bit of the casual crowd that bothered to play the dlc, they never touched the spin dash even tho it was unlocked
And in a way having to use the boost on these kinds of stage still allowed for a challenge
I think it's possible to fine tune that kind of design
Design around slopes and spin dash usage, but boost still work cause like it's insta speed crutch for casuals or whatever, that's the point
zinc spear
I mean the spindash in FH wasn't even technically the spindash though? it was closer to a reskinned boost
Like there's definitely a difference in design philosophy but they still didn't fully lean into having a proper spindash, and proper physicsy stuff
fossil echo
I more talking the level design. Cause yeah while the spin dash was overpowered as shit, notice how spaced out and vertically aligned all the platforming were in those cyberspace stages
It was trying to accommodate for that and get the player adjusted to go up inclines to reach higher or further distances
Doing those stages with boost only is unironically a lot harder especially for s ranking times, but generally a much safer way of playing than taking the risk of flinging off everything
A lot of casuals dont have the same depth perception we have grown accustomed too with sonic games and are far less equipped to try and judge if they'll make a platform far off in the distance with enough momentum so they take the easy more cautious laid out ground path that the level directs them through
Instead of the skips on the platforms above
glossy sphinx
Like if we're gonna make predictions then why not go batshit crazy with em?
because im tryna be right
glossy sphinx
Wait, we doin next sonic game predictions, imma give my hand in it
- TGA annou...
wdym model reworks but not what we expect
cunning echo
he means that is small changes
glossy sphinx
barely a rework then
stiff salmon
YOU BET OUR SOULS ON A MODEL REWORK??
glossy sphinx
I expected more from you fiery
dawn pumice
wdym model reworks but not what we expect
He gonna look the exact same except for having a different shoe model
rugged otter
I've got a feeling, maybe I'm cynical but
I don't think there's gonna much of a rework
fossil echo
Honestly im not expecting a style change or entirely new models. I'm expecting the same model but like it's rigged not like a stiff shoe this time and looks more akin to those scrapped redone generations cutscenes they showed
rugged otter
I've got a feeling, maybe I'm cynical but
I don't think there's gonna much of a ...
like if the series was way less brand/synergy obsessed maybe I could see it but
dawn pumice
Proportions / quills / etc
glossy sphinx
great! everyone has low expectations!
rugged otter
Yes!
glossy sphinx
you don't get to smirk.
dawn pumice
toxic vapor
Honestly I had an idea of like
They could just turn it into a difficulty mode t...
Ts so ass lol
rugged otter
since everyone is making their predictions im here to make it boring and vague so I can win this
- some big gimmick that's probably taking the place of cyber powers, probably will be something closer to doom abilities to add more movement options
- maybe less melancholy vibe overall but not outright upbeat
- linear levels for other characters
- npcs but not that many
- no puzzles but more challenges
- combat gets more moves/attacks and mixes up on enemy group dynamics (also probably no roaming bosses)
toxic vapor
I expected more from you fiery
hes gonna look like sonic channel artwork with a rounder body and muzzle curve mark my words
rugged otter
since everyone is making their predictions im here to make it boring and vague s...
I probably wouldn't be unhappy with this depending on how it turns out but obvs this wouldn't really be my wishlist, also not even bringing up things like animation since we already know they're gonna improve on that
glossy sphinx
Doing those stages with boost only is unironically a lot harder especially for s...
i actually tested this out a lot and I feel they're def harder when you're using the spindash due to the crazy airtime you get, the render distance, and the pure amount of bottomless pits lol. Whenever I play through them without the spindash (which was a lot of times...) the stages felt so much more cohesive to the point where the spindash definitely felt like an afterthought when it comes to how it would've been included in the stages..?
and obviously since they brought along this OP ass move they had to alter S rank times to compensate for it.
pulsar horizon
glossy sphinx
it's not like there's any specially made paths for the spindash either, everything is easily accessible without using it
actually it's quite funny how many times I saw content creators die because of how much they trust the spindash in those linear stages
glossy sphinx
since everyone is making their predictions im here to make it boring and vague s...
I see
too safe.
rugged otter
I could be more ambitious but...
there's no telling what they could toss in, i know frontiers felt left field especially with the leaks
rugged otter
oh yeah..
- models are not changing unfortunately, maybe better use is made out of them but..
- boost is def in and it still looks slow
dawn pumice
Now that’s a perfect prediction
rugged otter
- and ironicaly the camera rocks for the levels but not the boost
past matrix
My (delusional) prediction is getting RnB back in the ost.
rugged otter
ruby delusions..
glossy sphinx
- models are not changing unfortunately, maybe better use is made out of them bu...
nothing about spindash...
glossy sphinx
CREEPY NUTSSSSS
rugged otter
nothing about spindash...
i feel uncertain what they'd do, could either be full on boost skin or even an drop dash situation..
rugged otter
yeah definitely
rugged otter
I gave frontiers a try and loved using even if it made no sense to
glossy sphinx
as it's made too weak..
makes sense but you still gotta predict something there :)** **
not an "either or" 👀
glossy sphinx
but I still dont find it useful 😭
who does
rugged otter
makes sense but you still gotta predict something there :)** **
FINE
it'll be watered down to heck..
fossil echo
i actually tested this out a lot and I feel they're def harder when you're using...
Exhibit A of whether or not the spin dash can click to a person or not and exactly why I think making it into an easy/hard mode would work. Bottomless pits were hardly an issue for me, the spin dash just clicked to me in where they want me to go in how the platforms were put around the stage
glossy sphinx
FINE
it'll be watered down to heck..
I assume that means you think there will be barely any physics at play, got it
fossil echo
When I used the boost to navigate these stages, it felt like ass
glossy sphinx
Exhibit A of whether or not the spin dash can click to a person or not and exact...
we aaare sonic fans after all
fossil echo
we aaare sonic fans after all
And that's what im saying
rugged otter
I assume that means you think there will be barely any physics at play, got it
feeling like they'll literally just use whatever they were using for the drop dash but with a slight initial boost at the start but something like it
torn trench
CREEPY NUTSSSSS
Let them make an original song for the game
fossil echo
Boost is gonna be easy for regular casuals, they ain't judging that bottomless pit distance
glossy sphinx
And that's what im saying
unless you're tobe and get lost for 15 minutes
glossy sphinx
feeling like they'll literally just use whatever they were using for the drop da...
no confidence in Sonic team LETS GOOOO
glossy sphinx
Let them make an original song for the game
please
make an entire opening around it actually idc
rugged otter
no confidence in Sonic team LETS GOOOO
HEY HEY I GOT CONFIDENCE THE COMBAT'S GONNA BE FUN!!
glossy sphinx
funny that's usually the thing that people have the least amount of confidence in
rugged otter
actually do wonder what their approach to the open zone will be like, still don't think SxSG was really a demonstration of what direction it'd go since that was still just a hub and the progression wasn't really tied too deeply to the design overall
rugged otter
like total mystery how that'll go, actually would be damn shocked if we were back to relatively flat worlds with rails again
smoky summit
unless you're tobe and get lost for 15 minutes
Tobe perceived this comment and located your IP address
glossy sphinx
stiff salmon
https://vxtwitter.com/salty_sealz/status/1992986720661393409?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6...
oh fuck a sega rep might be getting 2
toxic vapor
I think drop dash doesnt work in 3d
How?
The dropdash is the most useful thing in most momentum fangames
smoky summit
Going back a little earlier
So if Dream Team had like
No boost but faster normal top speed
glossy sphinx
The dropdash is the most useful thing in most momentum fangames
the drop dash works in 3D just not in boost games 😭
smoky summit
Would that suddenly make it all better Freeze?
smoky summit
I feel like this kind of defeats the purpose of having good level design lol
Feels like if you can just throw in a level into any other game without re-accounting for everything
Then the level doesn't do enough to sith the control scheme it is given
hybrid hill
🤔
strange estuary
HEY HEY I GOT CONFIDENCE THE COMBAT'S GONNA BE FUN!!
Have any leaks said anything good about the combat yet?
rugged otter
tbh i don't even remember if they did I just gotta gut feeling if they're this set on having combat (at least as far as frontiers is concerned) then maybe it'll be better
still epoch
I expected more from you fiery
This is fiery in real life
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
tbh i don't even remember if they did I just gotta gut feeling if they're this s...
I have a feeling the combat will be pretty damn good
yes... feelings and vibes.
still epoch
I have a feeling we will watch whatever is this trailer and it will be positive
glossy sphinx
yes yes
toxic vapor
Found this on 4chan
glossy sphinx
I have a feeling too
glossy sphinx
Found this on 4chan
I already saw this
toxic vapor
Light romance themes??
toxic vapor
I already saw this
was this posted here?
glossy sphinx
this isn't new it's just repeating the leak you sent before 😭😭
glossy sphinx
was this posted here?
no
toxic vapor
Lol
coarse ferry
oh fuck a sega rep might be getting 2
If so which?
glossy sphinx
teeeechnically it was
toxic vapor
Yeah lmao
glossy sphinx
glossy sphinx
oh maybe I should cook some predictions for a trailer specifically
humble drum
sonic superstars plus
rugged otter
ok fuck it, wild prediction, we see
||Gemerl||
glossy sphinx
and he is there.
you would've been cooked if this was the Crossworlds reveal 🙏
rugged otter
you got me there
maybe this time.. Amy will reveal the game..
whole teaser and its amy fiddling with tarot cards for fun but suddenly something ominous is revealed
glossy sphinx
stop.
rugged otter
Knuckles reveasl the game as he finds a secret message from the ancients in one of the grapes he is eating
prime hearth
she gets a papercut from her cards despite wearing gloves (this is never explained)
wide portal
Found this on 4chan
They just saw the first one and ran it through an ai generator
glossy sphinx
she gets a papercut from her cards despite wearing gloves (this is never explain...
cartoon logic ❤️🩹
toxic vapor
My big prediction is that the open world game is gonna be that return to Sonic 1 and Classic ideals
glossy sphinx
yeah... W prediction...
toxic vapor
Like all the safe ass predictions here and gonna be the opposite of what it is cause yall like modern sonic and shit
wide portal
Knuckles reveasl the game as he finds a secret message from the ancients in one ...
tails eats 5 mints and his breath unveils a secret message
rugged otter
I predict the game will be titled
Sonic Fort
toxic vapor
https://tenor.com/view/fuck-off-fuck-you-gif-11775307601022780375
???
rugged otter
tails eats 5 mints and his breath unveils a secret message
you are correct, actually
Sonic Mint
toxic vapor
Chat im so goated
lunar trench
Found this on 4chan
Brother is writing 4chan leaks to post them on tc i'm dying 😭
humble drum
Knuckles reveasl the game as he finds a secret message from the ancients in one ...
the message in question
toxic vapor
Brother is writing 4chan leaks to post them on tc i'm dying 😭
This shit was from two days ago bro
Doesn’t even mention momentum physics
toxic vapor
I’m sliming you brah
dense snow
who are you again?
toxic vapor
@glossy sphinx posted em
glossy sphinx
who are you again?
still epoch
Honestly either freeze or someone elae here
The lifht romance thing is literally targeting me
autumn yacht
who is professor turi
toxic vapor
That leak is from weeks ago bro
toxic vapor
What benefit would I have to post another one
glossy sphinx
freeze sent multiple leaks, even non anonymous ones I don't think this is any different 😅
if y'all actually believe it's him that is
another random prediction, tails arm canon from battle is showing up in frontiers 2
#bookmark
grand cobalt
i need something to happen already so this can end 💀
glossy sphinx
i need something to happen already so this can end 💀
says the person who's too lame to make any predictions 😞 (unless you're referring to the leak specifically.)
lunar trench
That leak is from weeks ago bro
Yeah and you weren't here a few weeks ago ig, my bad.
rugged otter
who is professor turi
tori's long lost sister
lunar trench
tori's long lost sister
rugged otter
she is pretty chill
past matrix
that copyright title leak gonna hit like CRACK
autumn yacht
oh that dang uh tails tube character
toxic vapor
Tung Tung sahurrr
grand cobalt
says the person who's too lame to make any predictions 😞 (unless you're referri...
nero what else could i be talking about LMAO
hot dog taco hamburger ass leaks
where’s le passion
glossy sphinx
nero what else could i be talking about LMAO
THE PREDICTION THAT I JUST MADE RIGHT BEFORE YOUR MESSAGE
toxic vapor
Yall worried bout frontiers 2 while im worried about hl3
humble drum
Tung Tung sahurrr
die
lunar trench
Tung Tung sahurrr
I should ban u for this #tbh
autumn yacht
yeah where's the fake "here's what i played during the test"
glossy sphinx
Yall worried bout frontiers 2 while im worried about hl3
toxic vapor
I should ban u for this #tbh
I can’t believe you’d say such a thing
rugged otter
I'm worried if sonic and garfield will ever share a spotlight again....
glossy sphinx
right you're not worried about frontiers 2...
zinc spear
Y'know what might be fun?
toxic vapor
https://tenor.com/view/kmt-yeah-right-hmmm-really-gif-21502858
Pretty sure it’s gonna happen
zinc spear
A frontiers 2 bingo card
autumn yacht
here's my leak: next sonic game has no run button, it has a stop button
sonic moves fast at all times and you can only stop him by the stop or slow button
rugged otter
instead of a game, they should announce a cool new sonic anime to keep us fed
zinc spear
well that would be because it's something I only invented like 50 seconds ago, but I'm on it!
glossy sphinx
here's my leak: next sonic game has no run button, it has a stop button
sonic mo...
a brake button 🤔🤔 you're so smart im predicting that now
toxic vapor
On @grand cobalt’s soul we’re getting a new model with kurasano features (biting off Nero), muzzle curve and rounder body
prime hearth
if y'all actually believe it's him that is
I think whoever's posting the same old tired leaks is a fuckin weirdo who needs to go outside more and if that happens to turn out to be freeze, so be it I guess
rugged otter
you know what I hope they do
glossy sphinx
I think whoever's posting the same old tired leaks is a fuckin weirdo who needs ...
clock it...
rugged otter
add a gearshift to sonic, directly on top of his head
autumn yacht
i use this and then screencap it instead of like linking it https://bingobaker.com/
toxic vapor
I’m behind all the 4chan leaks here
Every single one of them
Including the Movie leaks
autumn yacht
where's the CD praise then
autumn yacht
honestly i stopped reading after turi
lunar trench
A frontiers 2 bingo card
Here, knock youself out
past matrix
I just want rnb back in sonic
zinc spear
ahhhh fuck you beat me to it
glossy sphinx
Here, knock youself out
autumn yacht
will sony pay for a ps4 port
toxic vapor
Here, knock youself out
I made a google doco for yall to fill out and no one did…
glossy sphinx
oops
humble drum
add a space for switch 2 version but not on switch 1
zinc spear
I made a google doco for yall to fill out and no one did…
you did?
toxic vapor
(it's in the leak he sent...)
Someone already posted a leak that had CD, 06 and Frontiers combined
glossy sphinx
Someone already posted a leak that had CD, 06 and Frontiers combined
clearly it was yours
glossy sphinx
oh u talking about ilyas?
toxic vapor
Yes lmao
autumn yacht
what does zippo man have to say about sonic now
rugged otter
heard next sonic game is cd, heroes, shadow the hedgehog, sa1 sa2 and spinball in a blender
hope you're hungry
lunar trench
I made a google doco for yall to fill out and no one did…
"Google doco"
autumn yacht
wow that's a lot of CDs i'm just noticing
dawn pumice
Found this on 4chan
😭 😭 😭
rugged otter
heard next sonic game is cd, heroes, shadow the hedgehog, sa1 sa2 and spinball i...
unleashed and 06 frankenstein planned for a 2048 release if all goes to plan..
zinc spear
Ngl Freeze, I didn't even spot the doc
dawn pumice
Outta all the things to leak
dawn pumice
They chose to list out stages
toxic vapor
They chose to list out stages
Crazy how Crossworlds stages straight up are in Frontiers 2
If these leaks are real
dawn pumice
I would not like that at all ngl
zinc spear
That sounds doubtful
dawn pumice
Actually I’d hate it 💀
rugged otter
heard miku is in frontiers 2, just like in crossworlds
it's all coming together
autumn yacht
sky road woooo
glossy sphinx
Actually I’d hate it 💀
i used to feel the same way but I don't feel that way anymore
zinc spear
I mean it would be interesting to see how they'd be built around sonic's moveset, and how they'd be expanded into an actual explorable locale
prime hearth
my predictions while I'm here and I haven't anything better to do:
• one single much, much bigger interconnected open zone that gradually opens up as you go, with moveset unlocks helping get you to new areas of the world (similarly to how Shadow Gens approached it) - Frontiers had a bit of this during dev but it got abandoned, so makes sense to revisit it
• the main four (Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knux) playable, switchable on the fly outside of active combat and boost stages
• similar combat system and traversal to Frontiers but with some new moves added in, not too much different there
• no new model overhauls outside of like, nips and tucks - the styleguides have been set for over a decade and will not be changing any time soon do not fool yourself lol
glossy sphinx
I came to appreciate most of them and I think it would be awesome if they were explorable in the open