Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation

[toxic vapor]

You literally can't deny that's what you're doing

[coarse ferry]

If Mania was after movies, it would do way more

[smoky summit]

You say $20 as if it will hurt sales

[toxic vapor]

1 + 1 = 2 you're hella agenda posting

[raw osprey]

again forces and tsr probably sold more

[coarse ferry]

Yeah like it's fucking 20 dollars lmao

[cunning echo]

pretty small but I think it works

[toxic vapor]

Forces had less Steam players than Superstars and had no mentions from Sega years after release

#flop

[raw osprey]

ok ok freeze if mania was such a big success then why did they ditch pixel art? @toxic vapor

[cunning echo]

rpg but really just super simple

[prime hearth]

I mean yea, makes sense that the game on the dying console on its way out definitely would've sold less than its big launch title

[raw osprey]

steam is such a funny thing at sonic sales discussion

[toxic vapor]

As an attempt to get a wider audience and Arzest does 2.5D 3DS shovelware??

[leaden acorn]

By Atlus, Square, or who?

[toxic vapor]

Mania 2 which was used as a basis for Superstars was also in 2.5D as well lmao

[raw osprey]

almsot every sonic game is not doing some crazy numbers there

[cunning echo]

we mean frontiers

[dusty osprey]

Can i be mean

[toxic vapor]

😭

[cunning echo]

that is an rpg but super simple

[dusty osprey]

Like really mean

[leaden acorn]

Ah.

[cunning echo]

hell, the level up system is super bad 😭

[raw osprey]

why would they get a wider audience if mania sold crazy like you saying?

[dusty osprey]

Its weird people think shadow going away means anything for whomever they like

[cunning echo]

when you get to level 30 or so in combat you're pretty much done strong

[raw osprey]

if it sold that good they would keep pixel art

but they didnt

[toxic vapor]

I think people in here and overall the internet discussion on Sonic flopping in Japan, people pretend to just not mention Project Sonic in the Sega Saturn which inadvertedly lead to Adventure 1's success as well lmao

[dusty osprey]

"Let other characters have things"
They werent thought about

[coarse ferry]

Honestly the closest you can say is that SEGA just immediately ignoring Knuckles anniversary in exchange for year of Shadow

That's about it, but even then

That was just sheer coincidence

I love Knuckles but saying he barely got anything is flatout bullshit. THIS char got a fucking prologue animated AND a series of his own

[prime hearth]

I mean, even then he got a 30th special by IDW like the other classic characters

[coarse ferry]

Granted that series says.... a lot, but saying he didn't got anything?

[raw osprey]

the biggest sonic game on steam is frontiers and even after almost 3 years it did 500-800k

[coarse ferry]

Actual braindead take

[raw osprey]

like not even a million

😭

[coarse ferry]

Also literally look at Amy

[dusty osprey]

Like with crossworlds people were saying its bare minimum.

No bare minimum is the 7/8 characters people actually care about.

I know you like the rogues. They are extra to most people

[coarse ferry]

This girl got HUGE amount of stuff and now she is getting a major focus in Sonic 4 Movie

I Don't even need to say anything over Tails

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-dog-sleeping-sleeping-dog-dog-sleeping-tiny-eepy-dog-gif-2292331323183720739

[cunning echo]

thats not dog

[wise chasm]

why is that gif so small on my end, hold on

[cunning echo]

that's dawg

[coarse ferry]

But saying those 3 specifically didn't got anythign compared to Shadow? Lmao

[toxic vapor]

Literally this iconic piece of Sonic art was literally the initiative to make Sonic known in Japan.
It lead to the release of Sonic Jam, Sonic R, Sonic Blast to introduce the Japanese audience to Sonic, and then that all lead to the eventual redesign of Sonic and the success of Sonic Adventure.

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound-gif-5498863985254423453

[dusty osprey]

I think knuckles not getting more is wild but ive come to grips with they dont look at him like that

I just hold out hope tho

[untold kayak]

No wonder that failed. Blast was ass

[coarse ferry]

Exactly

[toxic vapor]

How the fuck did it fail?

[coarse ferry]

Again I love Knuckles, but it's a matter of when over getting his chance

[cunning echo]

sonic r was also ass tho 😭

[coarse ferry]

It's just Shadow just has eveyrthing in his favor

[toxic vapor]

It's literally what lead to Sonic being more known in Japan pre Adventure 1

[cunning echo]

and jam...is fine

[coarse ferry]

Also freeze I have to be real

[toxic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-movie-the-weeknd-gif-17647432617606386843

[coarse ferry]

I am the guy who loves Sonic R and all

[raw osprey]

im gonna be fr adventure success was amde because it was a starting exclusive of a console that was popular in japan

[grand cobalt]

hey hold on now

[coarse ferry]

And I played the hell out of it, but saying anything being good?

lol

[raw osprey]

thats like the main thing

[wide portal]

Wasn’t blast one of those last minute saturn titles

[raw osprey]

plus it was in bundle

[untold kayak]

Sonic as a franchise didn't really get more motion for it as a brand overall.

Adventure and, to an extent, adventure 2 are the exceptions to the rule rather than the rule

[raw osprey]

liek you legit was getting adventure with your dreamcast

[grand cobalt]

blast as in the game gear game or 3D blast 😭

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/gokacik-gok-o-yerim-yerim-yerım-gif-8234693358169729819

[coarse ferry]

You can say this about SEGA in general

They have a lot of impact towards gaming industry, but in terms of getting any attention?

Severely ignored

[prime hearth]

the saturn port was a last-minute replacement for Xtreme, yeah

[coarse ferry]

Sonic is just very noticeable for this because he is their mascot

[toxic vapor]

Literally Project Sonic initiative was to make Sonic more well known in Japan in the lead up to Adventure 1.
Sonic prior the Project Sonic was unkown in Japan lmaoo.

[wide portal]

I will say I’d like for the rest of the dream cast to get more stuff to themselves but like

I don’t think ANYBODY can compare to the sheer popularity of shadow the hedgehog at this rate 😭

he wasn’t even in movie 3 for that long but that only skyrocketed it

[coarse ferry]

Exactly

[raw osprey]

i would not say unknown at all sonic 3 sold like 200k copies

[coarse ferry]

Shadow is just that huge for several reason

[toxic vapor]

Yuji Naka/Naoto Oshima: Yes, it was three years ago. We've had a good rest period to recharge our batteries and now we're full of new ideas for the new game. To tell you the truth, we had planned to leave another Sonic game for five years (laughs). In the long term, though, we're hoping to extend this project over a number of years.

[smoky summit]

Sonic Superstars needed to sell 1/3 what Mania did to make the same money 😭

[coarse ferry]

Only ones that can pull it off are Tails, Knuckles, or Amy but even then

[silent haven]

now instead of being unknown he's known for being the guy from smash bros

[raw osprey]

thats not that amny compare to mario but again

[untold kayak]

And that didn't really change post Adventure 1

Heck Sonic X is part of the Project Sonic thing and the third season didn't air in Japan until 10+ years after

[silent haven]

truly resounding success

[raw osprey]

freeze what are you even tgrying to say

[toxic vapor]

Adventure 1 was being made as a Project Sonic, the rebrand also was most likely concieved around Project Sonic era

[raw osprey]

like whats this convo even about this rn?

😭

[untold kayak]

The intent about a project and it's success are two entirely different things

[cunning echo]

it did in the end....with a superzillion of discounts and 2 years later...but it did!!

[grand cobalt]

Dawg this is what I was ASKING

What is this even about right now

[raw osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/smosh-shut-up-food-battle-anthony-padilla-ian-hecox-gif-16421151

[grand cobalt]

Shadow? Japan? Mania?

[toxic vapor]

I remember watching a video and most forums said "oh I remember that Adventure game though"

So lol

[silent haven]

sonic didn't flop in japan because sa1 did well 27 years ago

[coarse ferry]

Which even then

It's only the adventure games

After that, Sonic went back to being nearly nonexistant in Japan for decades

It's why certain SEGA Ips are even more popular than Sonic

[toxic vapor]

He started flopping once he started making shit games and because they didn't have a large fandom no one gave a shit lmao

I think that's the true missing piece of the puzzle, Adventure 1 and 2 were groundbreaking games that appealed to wider audiences.
They played Heroes and realised it was shit, and moved on to things they cared about.

Sonic can be popular in Japan if he doesn't make shit games

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-dog-aleep-sleepy-sleep-tight-gif-20799087

[cunning echo]

lack of promotion didnt really help

[prime hearth]

sonic is currently flopping in japan for the same reason sonic's doing well everywhere else rn: the movies

[toxic vapor]

Shadow Gens had a fair bit of promotion and it still flopped because it wasn't an open world realistic grassy field game with JRPG mechanics

So sad

😔

[raw osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ugh-gif-15774357492597497773

[wise chasm]

I think it was more to do with it being a Generations title

[raw osprey]

yea

[coarse ferry]

^

[wise chasm]

Or, well, I guess on top of it not being Frontiers

[raw osprey]

jp gamers do not gaf about og gens

[coarse ferry]

Nah that's really just it

[toxic vapor]

They specifically removed Classic Sonic from branding and still flopped...

[raw osprey]

again its more about tone of a game

[toxic vapor]

boost games

[coarse ferry]

Japan care more about Frontiers styled over any other past sonic games. The only exception to it are the adventure games

[toxic vapor]

they don't care about the classics as well so

[raw osprey]

mf you do not listen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its about tone not boost games

[forest fractal]

We need a Sonic JRPG

[toxic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/chiens-funnyanimals-dogs-gif-18329643505618339917

[wide portal]

didn’t 06 sell pretty well over there tho 😭

Or am I remembering wrong

[coarse ferry]

I am pretty sure it isn't

[raw osprey]

10k copies

[coarse ferry]

yeah lmao

[untold kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/ben10-ben10000-ben-10000-10-gif-27706438

[toxic vapor]

Advance 1 & 2 were liked tho

[prime hearth]

sonic 1 was timed extremely well in hindsight, releasing in Feb before the big covid lockdowns hit and getting a digital release much sooner than most films at the time (before that became the norm for every film) so a lotta folks either had it as their last pre-covid cinema trip or gave it a watch during the initial lockdown waves

japan got sonic 1......... in June, slap bang in the middle of lockdowns and it naturally bombed lol

[toxic vapor]

So Adventure 1 being a heckin Dreamcast exclusive title wasn't the only indicator of its success

[rugged otter]

sonic would be popular in japan if they just took chunithm and rebranded it as a sonic game

[prime hearth]

the movies were sonic's first proper big moment in the limelight again and Japan simply did not get that

[coarse ferry]

It's one of the major reason freeze

[prime hearth]

thus, successful everywhere except there rn

[wide portal]

same thing happened with movie 2 if I remember correctly

[coarse ferry]

Being part of the console launch is always a big part of the game selling huge

[forest fractal]

Damn more people bought Lost World on launch than Gens, that’s funny

[coarse ferry]

OH yeah you right

I didn't even notice 💀

Well granted..

[toxic vapor]

I wanna see Project Sonic's Saturn success

[coarse ferry]

Generations wasn't in a nintendo console while Lost World is

[toxic vapor]

Cause the way you guys shrugged it off..

[cunning echo]

peak tho 🔥

[grand cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-racing-crossworlds-zavok-zavok-sweep-sonic-lost-world-crossworlds-gif-8781480127540062967

[toxic vapor]

You will never let Classic win...

[leaden acorn]

Give us Atlus or ArcSys

[coarse ferry]

Project Sonic was never a success due to one single reason

No actual major sonic game

Most of the time is just spinoffs

[cunning echo]

saturn era was a flop overall

[rugged otter]

wait wtf SLW sold more than Unleashed on release too..

[cunning echo]

saturn era is the real dark age

[coarse ferry]

Nintendo appeal stays strong lmao

Well at the time

[cunning echo]

flop after flop

😭

[wide portal]

Saturn years were pretty bad and by the time they wrangled Sonic onto there it was too late

[coarse ferry]

Saturn is a trainwreck over SEGA

[rugged otter]

floppa...

[silent haven]

here are the results of project sonic's success

[toxic vapor]

We are talking about Sega in Japan and the Saturn was a massive success there

[forest fractal]

JAPAN FUCKING LOVES ZETI GRAAAAAHHHHHHH

[coarse ferry]

Very few series managed to succeed (Virtua Fighter and Sakura Wars) While the rest is..... okayish to poor

[toxic vapor]

That's the point of what I've been saying LMAO

[coarse ferry]

That beacuse both Sakura Wars and Virtua Fighter are the biggest reason

Never Sonic

[silent haven]

classic sonic won (gets immediately redesigned to look better)

[toxic vapor]

Ya'll are hella discounting Project Sonic making Sonic more known in Japan leading up to Adventure 1 -> into the early 2000s before Heroes went multiplat and the Japanese audience realised Sonic is chopped

sybau fia

you will never win against perfection

[coarse ferry]

Yeah because it is a litearl flop LMAO

In your head sure

[prime hearth]

this genuinely explains why the zeti keep popping up too lol, they really do love red bowser ova there.......

[coarse ferry]

Come to think of it yeah

I guess Japan do like the deadly six

[toxic vapor]

Saturn was only a success cause aaa virtua fighter and not the 1432132843284238 titles that were released in there and not the west

[grand cobalt]

Said who 😭

[toxic vapor]

Saturn was a success everywhere but the west lol

Cause Sega of America thought localising JRPGs wouldn't appeal to American audiences

[leaden acorn]

We need Zavok the Zeti 1, Zavok 2, and Zavok 3 & Zazz.

[prime hearth]

ofc its a complete hypothetical but imagine what could've been if the sonic/nintendo exclusivity thing happened during the switch instead of the wii u

where would we be rn

[coarse ferry]

Probably a lot worse

[toxic vapor]

Nights into Dream was the best selling Saturn game lol.
People knew Sonic more from the Sonic Team logo which is really funny

[leaden acorn]

They didn't even port Lost World to Switch 1, huh.

[raw osprey]

again its maybe help but i think main thing was that first adventure was bundled with dreamcast

[coarse ferry]

SEGA pushing their audience more over to Sony helps SEGA a lot more than expected

[toxic vapor]

Yeah but Adventure 1 would've needed to be a great game to get the Dreamcast sales

[untold kayak]

Yeah. The development team got lots of letters asking what is a Sonic

[toxic vapor]

Which is why they did Project Sonic and unveiled it at Toyko Game Show

[raw osprey]

not really

[toxic vapor]

Yes really the fuck?

[untold kayak]

Mainly from the Japanese audience

[raw osprey]

you need to be good game to have great legs

you can be shitty and still have good launch numbers

especially when you bundled

[toxic vapor]

Do ya'll not know how world of mouth spreading and good grace = success.

[raw osprey]

bruh thats what i said

[coarse ferry]

That's always been that way freeze

[raw osprey]

if you game good you gonna have WOM which means good legs

thats how it works

[toxic vapor]

Sonic 1 wasn't only a success because of Sega of America's marketing and mohawks
It was a big success because it was an innovative title everyone was gushing about which lead to it being sold out everywhere

[raw osprey]

yea

i agree

so what?

[toxic vapor]

Discounting Project Sonic -> into Adventure 1 as an initiative to get Sonic more known there to "well it was a launch title bro"

Isn't saying the whole picture

[raw osprey]

im not saying that anoither stuff dint help

but again

[leaden acorn]

Wasn't it also bundled with the console?

[untold kayak]

Not exactly

[toxic vapor]

Wait Sonic Adventure 1 wasn't even bundled with the Dreamcast

[untold kayak]

SoA's marketing WAS a huge factor to the success of Sonic 1

[raw osprey]

even if you shitty game you cans till hook people up and have great launch sales

the main thing is legs

[untold kayak]

They gassed the hell out of that Game and put it in the spot light

[raw osprey]

and again adventure did have them because people liked it

im just saying

[toxic vapor]

I can literally find Gaming Forums from 1991 when people first got their hands on Sonic screaming about how good it is and how innovative it is.
Then months later I found forums talking about it being sold out because everyone is raving about it.

Sonic was a success because of the hands of the creatives that made it and the marketing helped boost it out.

[raw osprey]

freeze its cool why are you telling me this

im not saying that adventure 1 sucked or something

[coarse ferry]

How dare you!? /j

[cunning echo]

honestly what is the point of all this aside from debating old ass stuff 😭

[coarse ferry]

I guess wanting to prove classic sonic can exist????

But yeah this shit leads to nowhere lmao

[past matrix]

What's happening

[coarse ferry]

Just another talk with freeze

[cunning echo]

sega saturn

[raw osprey]

im just saying one of the main reasons it sodl like this was because it was bundled with the console

[cunning echo]

https://tenor.com/view/blow-the-dust-meme-good-old-days-nostalgia-old-gif-17831927821295204551

[raw osprey]

idk why you telling me all of this

like i know this dw😭

[coarse ferry]

Yeah like this is something it's pretty obvious 💀

[toxic vapor]

No one was talking about Classic Sonic?

[coarse ferry]

Note the question marks

omfg my typing 😔

[cunning echo]

it was about sega saturn and sonic project japan but it went into somewhere else

[raw osprey]

what this convo even about

[still epoch]

Shadow

[raw osprey]

i think we change subjects like every 5 minutes

[coarse ferry]

But really what is the point we are trying to make?

[toxic vapor]

The whole point of what I'm saying is that Sonic being a success in Japan isn't a curse. They did an initiative and then sold over 180k and had a bit of success after until the Sonic series started flopping (not only in Japan, but even less sales from the US audience where the mascot had a cult following).

[raw osprey]

we start froms hadow now we talk about adventure jp sales and project sonic

[toxic vapor]

Ya'll tried to discount Project Sonic as an initiative which caused me to naturally get angry cause it feels like revisionist history.

[cunning echo]

Sega just failed to make him succeed in japan

[untold kayak]

Sonic adventure 1 was a success and project Sonic was a failure.

These are not mutually exclusive

[cunning echo]

Personally I dont think there is more time anymore

[raw osprey]

naturally get angry
its not that serious😭

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-sleep-sleepy-stretch-stretching-gif-1162421683761807540

[cunning echo]

especially since japan gaming is starting to be just mobile

is too late

[toxic vapor]

Also erm Adventure 1 actually came out a month after the Dreamcast's launch in Japan....

[coarse ferry]

Hence why nowadays it's Nintendo land over there

Since switch 2 is technically a bigger mobile lmao

[smoky summit]

Shadow game but like with it's own mechanics not using HE2 framework

[coarse ferry]

[smoky summit]

Ooooor

Maybe

[toxic vapor]

I think it's time for Sega to unveil the Sega Saturn 2 with Persona 6, Yakuza 382382, Virtua Fighter 6 and Frontiers 2

[cunning echo]

sorta

[smoky summit]

The Heroes remake was Shadow 05 remake all along

[cunning echo]

mkw only sold 100k so far

is bigger than sonic tho but still

[raw osprey]

freeze when someone downplays project sonci initiative from 1997

[coarse ferry]

oh hmm

[cunning echo]

is not aaaas huge

[raw osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[toxic vapor]

Yep

[coarse ferry]

Fair enough

[toxic vapor]

That's me

[grand cobalt]

How confident are we that they’re going to move on from HE2 to Unreal from now on

[cunning echo]

it'll get more prolly

[smoky summit]

Huh, where?

[grand cobalt]

Or at least implement aspects of HE2 into it like in CW

[coarse ferry]

Unsure honestly,

[raw osprey]

frontiers 2 will tell us

[coarse ferry]

The latter I can see instead

[toxic vapor]

Lowkey they're putting off doing an Adventure 1 remake but lowkey that could be the title to actually get some recognition in Japan

[raw osprey]

it sold almost 2M😭

[toxic vapor]

Literally a remake of the only game that sold over 100k

[coarse ferry]

They were able to do it with crossworld, so I don't see why not for Frontiers 2

[smoky summit]

Mario Kart sold over 1 mil in Japan physical alone

[cunning echo]

Personally, to me is just UE implementations into HE2

just like frontiers or shadow

[smoky summit]

Those aren't that tho

[grand cobalt]

What were the UE implementations in those games

[cunning echo]

I forgor

[smoky summit]

I think they used some UE assets?

[grand cobalt]

omg

[cunning echo]

nah

its not assets

[grand cobalt]

davih you just be saying ANYTHING

[cunning echo]

literally tech from it 😭

[cunning echo]

noooo

[grand cobalt]

back it up 😭

[smoky summit]

Yeah but like for some environment rendering thing iirc

[cunning echo]

iirc it was shaders and rendering stuff

ye

[grand cobalt]

Ah okay

[toxic vapor]

davih just kiss me already

[cunning echo]

we worlding with this one

[toxic vapor]

we can be toxic yaoi together

[grand cobalt]

ghosted, crazy

[cunning echo]

I'll think about it

[still epoch]

I think this next game will be on switch 1 :)

[dusty osprey]

Shadow heroes

[toxic vapor]

Ngl this explains so much of Frontiers btw https://x.com/SubsonicSparkIe/status/1974877605372596445

Sparky's World (@SubsonicSparkIe)

I used to have this idea as a kid that most Japanese gamers were GOD-tier players compared to the rest of the world, but that’s total fiction. Back in the 90s, it was westerners who really valued challenge while Japanese players wanted something more laid back and approachable.

X · Oct 5, 2025, 4:41 PM

[cunning echo]

I wish it wasnt in switch 1 but oh well

[toxic vapor]

https://x.com/KenmoWy/status/1974681113152172530

もめ～Rhapsody　In Blue～ (@KenmoWy)

@SubsonicSparkIe Though the moment to speak has passed, as a Japanese gamer I shall venture a guess.
In America, there was a culture of renting games. Consequently, high difficulty was the norm, and American gamers were accustomed to challenging games.(1/3)

X · Oct 5, 2025, 3:40 AM

[cunning echo]

considering most games are taking long to get switch 2 ver I wouldn't be surprised the next game is gonna be the same situation as crossworld

[still epoch]

Me neither

I want a graphics upgrade stat

But also

[coarse ferry]

I notice this a lot over western developers from what I see

[still epoch]

I feel they cant risk it just yet

[coarse ferry]

So in a way, I can see that making a good point but at the same time.....

[untold kayak]

Not sure if the difficulty point is right

[coarse ferry]

There are difficult games out there that does well in Japan

[still epoch]

Crossworlds has the power of being on the switch 1

[untold kayak]

Megaman games we're often toned down difficulty wise in America

[coarse ferry]

SEGA is too stubborn to leave ps4 anyways, so I doubt switch 1 is going to be done

[grand cobalt]

I don’t know anything about this except the mario 2 story lol

[untold kayak]

Heck the Lost levels alone should be a red herring

(super Mario bros 2 moment)

[cunning echo]

oof lost levels

[coarse ferry]

Lost Levels is just....... yeah

[dusty osprey]

This effected how capcom released games for a very long time

[untold kayak]

Tangent but holy shit. Classic Megaman lore in America used to be SO MUCH ASS

[dusty osprey]

Megaman zx advent has different difficulty levels for not japan

[dusty osprey]

How ass

[untold kayak]

Did you know the story of the first Game happens in a world named monsteropolis?

And each robot Master was ruler of a domain of that world?

[dusty osprey]

I did not know that they removed all the interesting context from megaman

[untold kayak]

They did. The first Game is just straight up all gone storywise from the Japanese one

The second game is funny cause it doesn't have a story beyond what you see in the game

(compared to the Japanese that is more elaborate on this)

Also, in the first game

It is stated that dr Wily helped to create Megaman and the 6 original robot masters

😭

[toxic vapor]

Gonna procede to harass Japanese streamers with a translation bot LOL

[dusty osprey]

Back in the day localizers just went hog wild i guess

[forest fractal]

Localizers don’t give a fuck

[untold kayak]

It was really wild for sure 💀

As games passed, things became smoother but yeah those first negaman games suffered a lot

X got it kinda better but also some of its nuance got lost in translation

which harmed one of the biggest ambiguous aspects of Megaman X2

[still epoch]

You mean the fact it ends with saying “x must destroy zero”

[untold kayak]

Nah, it's something else

I'll explain

There are two aspects in the Japanese Megaman X lore to account that were really important:

1. X's name is simply X, not Megaman X. Just X.
2. Machines like X, Zero and the reploids were not cataloged as robots

robot as a word was asssociated with the original Megaman, Roll, Blues and the robot masters. These and the line of machines that started with X and Zero are wildly different in a fundamental sense because the latter have full free will, hence it was not used there or not as often

With this in mind, the American lore sadly missed the memo on those two things which ultimately harmed the character of Sirges, one of the X's hunters

[hasty plume]

isnt zero technically not a reploid

[untold kayak]

If we go into scrutiny, he isn't because all reploids were created based on X, but the reploid as a concept is merely done to a machine that basically replicates the human behavior

so Zero is accounted as a reploid because of the definition

more than creation

[hasty plume]

shoutout zero
my favorite patient zero of a virus

[untold kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hasty plume]

wait is that why hes named zero

this is just now occurring to me

[untold kayak]

When you defeat Serges in the Japanese lore, he will say "Defeated by Light's old robot"

[untold kayak]

No idea. Just I thought your phrase was fire lol

[hasty plume]

that would make sense if thats why

[untold kayak]

and will often refer to X as "Megaman"

[hasty plume]

the maverick virus came with him

[untold kayak]

Mhm.

[untold kayak]

From here, you can see that Serges broke the two rules I mentioned previously

This created a theory that Dr. Wily is, on some form, alive in Serges

[smoky summit]

Honestly Frontiers isn't even that easy on the grand scale of things

Maybe the lives system made a lot of past games more difficult

But as far as Frontiers goes it's in a situation where you like

Have to push a lot of buttons lol

Which while that can be mundane to Sonic fans, casuals will need to adjust and remember what does what

[leaden acorn]

Kinda wish they kept it going in the other series. I think the connections come back for Zero 3 and Zero 4?

[untold kayak]

I'll have to check. I don't remember very well if Zero recalls Wily in those games

He already struggled to remember Wily in X4

(I find it very cool how Zero was created by taking Bass' aspects as base)

[leaden acorn]

Having Wily be a repeated source of problems in the Zero timeline was what gave me the idea of Gerald being like that for Shadow.

[untold kayak]

That honestly is a good idea. Wily already kind of was that in the X timeline

if it isn't the whole Serges thing

it's the Maverick Virus to begin with

and tbf, Gerald already kind of was that

the black arms, Emerl, even the Ifrit

all had Gerald in the middle somehow

[untold kayak]

In other news, I probably figured out why Rock and the others don't appear in the X time

and it's really sad

[leaden acorn]

I recall there being fangames of Zero being unleashed in the Classic era.

[untold kayak]

I remember seeing one

[untold kayak]

One where Zero slices Rock's arm

[leaden acorn]

It's jarring to think that the classic era has a dark ending to it that becomes the start of the X era.

[untold kayak]

Mhm. I think there is an official ending to Rock & co. Not sure if canon but official at least

For starters, the sad reality is that Rock dies... by his own hand

In Megaman 5 (GBA) Wily time travels to the future and, by allying with his future self, kidnaps Rock in that era and turns him into Quint then travels back to the past with Quint to destroy Megaman. Quint is destroyed which means that Rock finished with his future self

[smoky summit]

But honestly

Sega can do a better job with a Shadow remake instead of a Heroes remake

I feel like now they can capitalize on the gunplay and an ironic unironic like what Palworlds did

And they can use new tech to re-design the gameplay

Streamline some progression aspects

Actually make the story paths you can pick make sense

Etc.

Then again Iizuka said no remakes

[leaden acorn]

I don't see how when Heroes, potentially, could do way more thanks to its roster. Like each Team could have a more diverse campaign.

[wise chasm]

We're not getting a remake of anything anyway, so that point is moot

[prime hearth]

I think Heroes is the game that undoubtedly is so close to being decent but needs that extra nudge to polish up all its roughness, but Iizuka's been p clear no remakes yeah

[safe hull]

Iizuka should suck a fat one!!!!

[prime hearth]

he can wait his goddamn TURN

[safe hull]

Frontiers 2 can wait...

Also they need to restrain him from ever saying the words new experience

He can't keep saying it

[prime hearth]

much prefer em prioritising new stuff but I wish they had a smaller team to do some ports alongside em

but like

actually good and not barebones like Origins lol

[dusty osprey]

he'll change his mind

[prime hearth]

(or even worse, whatever the fuck SC:U was)

[dusty osprey]

especially when the economy gets shit

[fossil echo]

You guys joke but

It might just be

[prime hearth]

we're def due at least one more year of Tori teasing cos like, she surely wasn't just for that one tailstube right

surely not

[fossil echo]

I don't know if you guys are aware, but soj staff had a panel at an event in Korea last year I think

[prime hearth]

she's gotta at least be a shoo-in for the next mainline

[fossil echo]

And they confirmed there's a project in the works regarding the robotniks

[still epoch]

Huh

What

Did we know this

[prime hearth]

is this not every sonic game lol

[wise chasm]

I don't know if they straight up directly stated that they were working on something robotniks-related

[fossil echo]

No it's different, this was during a section when they literally had a PowerPoint showing the robotnik family tree

[wise chasm]

Only that that thread exists and maybe they'll do something with it

Yeah, no, it was talked about a while ago

we know

[fossil echo]

It's the same event that showed off rouge for sonic and friends

[wise chasm]

I think so, yeah

[smoky summit]

Tf

Is that the real kitkat

Were they here the whole time

[prime hearth]

completely forgot abt s&f rouge so had to google and

fuckin

lost it sdhjgvbsj

shes just a SPHERE she is ONE WHOLE BOOB

padding my bra with two sonic & friends rouge plushies

[fossil echo]

Round

[safe hull]

Monoboob

[still epoch]

OH SO YOU WANT ROUGES BOOBS SOOO MUCH IS IT WELL GUESS WHAT WE TURNED HER INTO A BOOB

[fossil echo]

https://m.inven.co.kr/webzine/wznews.php?idx=304431&site=console yeah its from this

oiiiii

@mental cargo

my image perms

doko

[still epoch]

https://m.inven.co.kr/webzine/wznews.php?idx=304431&site=console

[wise chasm]

sketchy translation, but here you go

[fossil echo]

oh not for the link, but I was trying to paste the gl translate of the section i was talking about

[prime hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-house-house-gif-11916099077674228393

[fossil echo]

There was a different translation I saw somewhere else too at some point

[still epoch]

Oh so

[wise chasm]

but yeah, this isn't new, they're working on something in regards to this

[still epoch]

Shadows game will be this

And have tori

[fossil echo]

yeah theyre working on something

[wise chasm]

But nothing completely set in st--no, we don't know that it's a game

[fossil echo]

i was just putting my two cent that maybe the shadow trademark is related

[fossil echo]

i know

[dusty osprey]

i doubt any shadow game wil have anything to do with tori or any robotnik

sonic team does not like assocaiatng him with them

[fossil echo]

I mean

[still epoch]

Im not saying it like its a fact 🔥

[dusty osprey]

Sure, its all speculation

[fossil echo]

we just had a whole game that did that though

[dusty osprey]

just based on previous behavior, I think sonic team prefers shadow to be hs own guy

[still epoch]

We just had a game with a journal of a robotnik where we learn maria had a sister called shadow generations

[dusty osprey]

I think it says a lot when given the oppertunity to connect hm to sage, his response is " No, and also you shouldn't be around them either "

[cunning echo]

she's so cute

I like sonic and friends design honestly

[fossil echo]

Ain't that part of the whole "moving on from the past" thing tho

[cunning echo]

way better than Rumble

[wise chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/hit-strike-toss-kick-football-gif-14237575

[fossil echo]

Not that he's literally no longer connected to them

[wise chasm]

me to that rouge

[prime hearth]

worth noting Tori's first appearance was in 2022, so I reckon too far ahead to have been for a new Shadow game since that wouldn't have been on the cards yet (given Shadow Gens was still in dev)

[cunning echo]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[prime hearth]

I think its safe to say she's for the next mainline

[fossil echo]

I feel like, that's not really how it works to begin with

[dusty osprey]

Yeah I think the journal stuff is specific to maria and Gerald. It was a opportunity sonic team and ian took it. It doesn't really have anything to do with shadow.

[fossil echo]

Like they make a design knowing it's for upcoming project, but they're not at that stage to concretely say what that is yet

Hence why it took so long to even put a name for her

[prime hearth]

is it not? new shadow game would've been greenlit based on how sonadow gens did (which by now we know did mucho well), while for mainline sonic games they're pretty safely set on just continually making em every few years

[coarse ferry]

Boob transformed into A ball. I am proud of her

[prime hearth]

the only weird kicker I feel is she first appeared in March 2022, so before Frontiers even dropped

[wise chasm]

I just do not like her normal fashion choice and they're making it worse!!!!!!

give me punk rock outfit or give me death

[fossil echo]

Not in that sense but rather, her development is independent of that project existing and as they solidify details, that's how she may or may not become relevant to the project

[prime hearth]

(sidenote how the fuck have we been discussing tori for three and a half fuckin years lmao)

[cunning echo]

I would say that rouge is the most on model out of all sonic friends characters

😭

https://tenor.com/view/whisperwoif-sonic-and-friends-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-sonic-%26-friends-gif-9777922828466880697

[fossil echo]

That's a controversial statement

[cunning echo]

sonic and friends model are great because they follow the circle test

[fossil echo]

Oh you meant in terms of the TikTok shorts

I thought you meant her main model

[cunning echo]

uhh

I mean she's still rouge

just hidden booba

[fossil echo]

And hidden back
And shoddy skin color
Face rig kinda fucked too
Lowkey her curves not curving

[cunning echo]

forgor her back

but her face looks the same to me

[fossil echo]

Her boob problem is not even the biggest issue with her current model imo

I think they've been slowly fucking her up for a while

[prime hearth]

I think she's mmmmmmostly fine but her skin's def gotten way whiter over time which is kinda not great

(not a recent change tho tbf this is over like, two and a bit decades since SA2 they've been putting her into the white-woman-ificiation beam)

[fossil echo]

The way they do her side mouth and eyelashes are groddy. And she has the same problem as Tails where they pushed her snout into her face like a pug with breathing problems

Except it's worse because she's a female character and they extra shorten it to make it "small and cute"

[wise chasm]

just give her new clothes i beg

[fossil echo]

Nah her outfit is iconic

[cunning echo]

https://tenor.com/view/rouge-rouge-the-bat-heroes-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-gif-15536257107303267136

[fossil echo]

Eugh heroes fit

[prime hearth]

damn girl that corset too tight

[wise chasm]

Unironically hate this reason in this case

[prime hearth]

let the puppies breathe 😭

[wise chasm]

When there are better official designs for her already with the design decisions in mind

[fossil echo]

Okay
It's iconic and it compliments her whole design. Like genuinely, rouge is a well made design

I like when she has different outfits, but none will ever top her main

The hearts, colors, shape, everything compliments each other

I think her design is basically like timeless in the same way sonic is. Not because it's the one everyone knows for her, but because all of it works well

[wise chasm]

Well it clearly doesn't now

If they're sticking with the changes they made

At least I don't think it does

[fossil echo]

Yeah because they keep doing stupid adjustments and it's unironically ruining a jackpot winning design

[prime hearth]

all I request of whatever adjustments they make to rouge in the future: can everyone agree to shut up about it online this time so we don't attract the far right grifters again

[fossil echo]

Fuck no

Staying silent because of grifters is pussy shit

[prime hearth]

the worst part of the last set of adjustments to rouge wasn't the actual adjustments, it was that someone set off the grummz batsignal 💀

if we could not do that again that'd be graaaaaaaaaand

[fossil echo]

Grifters are going to grift, especially with the nature of the character, yeah they're going to try and spin things into whatever bullshit they want to spew

But I think this is still an important issue to talk about on other levels

[dusty osprey]

I dont think adjustments to her figure have done nothing to her design in terms of quality and its largely been an overreaction

[fossil echo]

Mainly how lowkey Sega's been botching all the girls lately

[dusty osprey]

Thats the nice version

[fossil echo]

I'm in this camp too

Overreaction and overcorrection

Something Sega still hasn't really figured out how not to do

This not the channel for this tho

Dakiii

Debate channel doko

🔔

[dusty osprey]

I don't really think its an over correction either

like i'mma keep it a bean

i don't care that they made the character at at children less sexy

What its revealed to me though that way less people actually gave a shit about her character because there are people equating design changes with changes in personality. Some of the things they are equating happened in heroes.

[stiff salmon]

shadow 2 is real..

[dusty osprey]

I thinki its a bunch of people who don't have the heart to just say " I thnk the bat looks better when she's thick" because they know how absurd that sounds

[fossil echo]

People say it's a gooner thing and it's hard to have a proper conversation because of that

[dusty osprey]

A lot of is a gooner conversation though. And if the gooners would just acknowledge that the people who want to have a character design conversation can take the floor

[fossil echo]

But I think the discussion is genuinely coming from the same place as when people have a problem with sonic eye color, arm color, quill length, shoe type, muzzle curve, etc

[dusty osprey]

Its a lot of people who don't wanna engage wth the absurdity of " i think this franchise children should cater to me because I think this anthro bat is hot "

[fossil echo]

Like yeah there are gooners

But I've seen a lot of people who aren't just in it for the boobs

[past matrix]

Tori has gotta be leading into that next mainline game..

She has to.

She NEEDS to.

That lady is my collar.

[leaden acorn]

She definately was hyped up for SOME reason. She was even in the movie.

[fossil echo]

Why did they do that anyways

Mass hysteria?

[still epoch]

Idkkkk

[past matrix]

More than likely a Tyson hesse/Sonic Team inclusion

[fossil echo]

Tyson's been doing the TailsTubes right

[past matrix]

For a minute, but he's stopped now.

[fossil echo]

Ig that's why

Maybe he really was just hyping up a TailsTube

[leaden acorn]

That seems like overkill for a mere Tailstube episode.

[wise chasm]

The overhype was mostly self-inflicted by people tbh

She showed up with Unleashed humans' artwork, people went "who dat", Ian KnowingSmile'd

and that's it

[leaden acorn]

Maybe. Because the cameo had to be planned in advance, but they would also know and have seen have rabid the fanbase is when hidden clues. Which they have been doing for Tailstube for quite a while.

[fossil echo]

She wasn't even in the original trailer for the movie

So yeah probably just a cheeky Easter egg that got out of hand

[leaden acorn]

Least it shows that the fanbase is very interested in having human characters into the roster. Like fans also freaked at Human King Boom Boo.

[past matrix]

Well, we also have to account for the fact that the movie was still in post-production and that was subject to change behind the scenes anyway as well, so who knows.

[past matrix]

Which I really appreciate his design

[past matrix]

I want human designs that are in the realm of what robotnik is, and one's that are more relatively normal.

[wide portal]

Professor Tori is a Sonic character fr because she’s lowkey a Stranger in Mobiuscow right now

[past matrix]

The exchange between the two, rather than settling straight on generic anime people fully.

[wide portal]

But I have faith 💯 #trusttheprocess

[leaden acorn]

I saw someone compare it to the NiGHTS stylization of humans. And I'm all in for it. Give me the Chess Guy that turned evil for losing to a kid. And the Farmer.

[past matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/edds-world-finger-gun-gif-2808167083688841021

This reminds me, I gotta poke my head back into eddsworld.

[verbal tundra]

It’s peak

[smoky summit]

That's Balan, NiGHTs humans look different

Because they were designed by Hoshino

So closer to how humans looked in SA2

Wii version probably had a different designer, but still leaning realistic anime style

[wide portal]

Yeah this frustrated me a little bit

body variety is a fair critique but that ship sailed over two decades ago

says a lot that it took a boob reduction for people to start saying that rouge’s modern design sucked 😭 like what would’ve happened if they made it more obvious instead of less

[wide portal]

I think this is why humans have been so contentious in the wider series, sonic team hasn’t been able to decide if this is the direction they’re going or not

humans are “back” technically thanks to shadow gens and pieces of sonic channel art but they still don’t have any proper defined style guides for them or easily recyclable NPC bases in comparison to the forces’ avatar

[fossil echo]

I think it's a bit more complicated than that due to the modern landscape

[wide portal]

because if they decide on something that’ll probably be like, the main thing

[fossil echo]

Honestly although people are making the issue about the boobs, I think it's the back change that actually set people off

That's actually more noticeable than covering up her boobs

But it happened at the same time

And then there's that sonic channel art that goes out of its way to try and cement that as a perma change

And it looks wrong

[leaden acorn]

Yeah, even since Forces, they just been recycling the Avatars to fill up the enviorments. Which I liked at first, but they been far too lazy with them. Not even letting them any of the accessories to be unique.

[wise chasm]

That's what annoyed me really, outside of the usual "why is Karen Strassman still getting the role"

The rest I could take or leave, the back being covered more is just dumb

[prime hearth]

honestly in crossworlds' case it works alright cos you can kiiiiiinda get away with lower-poly with the avatars more smoothly compared to if they were people (same with the 10FPS chao in the stands lol)

[fossil echo]

Like for a while people have just kinda accepted what's been happening with rouge for two decades now cause the rationalization was that "they have to nerf her for kids" but covering up her back too is just so nonsensical

[wide portal]

the channel piece had a description emphasizing curves and the crossworlds animations go for a similar direction so my theory is that they just didn’t want another prime situation in the future where she needed an entire new outfit to fit those standards

[past matrix]

In the same breath, you get that fuckass camera angle of her ass in sonic x shadow generations.

[wide portal]

like apparently the prime outfit was designed by sonic team from what I remember so I imagine they’re just trying to rouge-proof it

[fossil echo]

The channel piece description also goes out of its way to pretend her back is sexual to justify covering it up

[prime hearth]

prime definitely feels like the ground zero inciting incident of "oh shit we can't just keep it as-is huh", yea

netflix execs really put the fear of god into em lmao

[past matrix]

Amy's been untouched in terms of the games ig.

Prime closed her shit up

[wide portal]

Amy gets to keep her back window, but not you Rouge

[prime hearth]

crazy cos man amy's dress is still ugly as fuck imo 😭

[past matrix]

That tight ass, meet the Jeffersons, looking ass dress.

[fossil echo]

In the same breath they also have Karen moaning into the mic every five seconds which is arguably more inappropriate than rouge just happening to be a women with boobs

[wide portal]

Amy’s leaving it open because she’s waiting for her back quills to grow back

any minute now

[prime hearth]

oh damn actually the bottom part does look better here

[wide portal]

why does she SOUND LIKE THAT

[prime hearth]

my biggest issue with game!amy's dress is the bottom just being a goddamn frisbee

you could pick her up and throw her why is it so stiff

[fossil echo]

I hate the white sleeve loops, why did they do that

[past matrix]

So that they could close up her back

[fossil echo]

Makes her arms look like they come out a socket

[past matrix]

They knew it would look off with broad red and her arms just sticking out circles, so they added more white to the palette.

[fossil echo]

Oh I have so much to say about rouge and Karen's va direction from a larger perspective

[wide portal]

tbf that’s more of a general modelling issue

I think that’s the way it’s supposed to work but they don’t do it that way because the jaundice demons defy meaning

[fossil echo]

It's not a modeling issue, it's animation/physics. General issue of the past decade of them doing stiff ass animations

They won't let that dress flow

[wide portal]

gotta slap a nucleus on that thing

[fossil echo]

And that leads to them always animating Amy in a way when she never properly puts her hand down

So it don't clip through the still solid dress they won't animate

[past matrix]

We didn't start the fire

[prime hearth]

awawawawawawa

[past matrix]

I know who WON'T have that problem.

(Considering her dress/physics will have to actively apply to the immersion of the film and animation, etc.)

I can't wait until that remodel.

I'm already getting tired of posting this image.

[fossil echo]

Her dress in the movie is more skintight like boom Amy though

Going by that one concept art

[past matrix]

*as far as we know

[coarse ferry]

I do hope the dress looks really nice without looking off

[past matrix]

Pre production for movie 4 could lead us in a different direction compared to 3's.

[coarse ferry]

If I am going to see the same problem I have with Game Amy's design I am going to kms

💀

[past matrix]

This is my ideal outcome

[coarse ferry]

Fucking SA1 gets away showing us her panties I hate it

[past matrix]

Just make the shit practical

[coarse ferry]

Please do not make this mistake movie directors

[untold kayak]

Another game, this one exclusive of Japan, named Megaman & Bass Challenger of the future doubles down on this. Rockman Shadow, a failed prototype of Quint that the Wily were doing in the future finishes himself and exterminated all robots of that era.

[coarse ferry]

🙏

[past matrix]

I don't think they'd ever touch that/they'd be aware not to do that.

[wide portal]

For what’s definitely a temporary design this looks really great

[coarse ferry]

I am just hoping because that's always been one of my biggest problem over game Amy's design

[wide portal]

adorable

[fossil echo]

The dress also suffers from sonic team refusing to do proper clothing textures and opting for everyone to look plastic and shoes looking like steel

[past matrix]

broad cultural character design/time period' difference with that one aspect.

You're more inclined to get spats for movie amy, if anything.

Considering she's gonna be doing flips and action and stuff.

[wide portal]

🫳 🫳

[past matrix]

You think movie 4 is gonna make a joke about the fact the guys don't wear clothes, but the girls do.

[coarse ferry]

Most likely, but probably due to Knuckles since being an warrior and all

Or Sonic with his quips

[wide portal]

Depends

[fossil echo]

I hope not honestly

New discourse unlocked, don't want it

Better to not draw attention

[wide portal]

That was my first thought when the rouge thing happened

Tried a few times at attempting to sketch a version of her design without the jumpsuit and nearly wanted to kill myself because nothing makes sense

she has a normal fucking belly button when wearing her riders fit so it’s not like she has a stomach thing or anything. at least if you’re doing a clothless Amy/Blaze variant you can take some liberties

there’s no room on her chest for a fur shape either unlike silver

She really is just built to have some fur on her head but be entirely peach everywhere else aside from the wings can I kill myself yet

[prime hearth]

she really is just a small skin creature with fur on her head huh

ironic cos bats are floofy motherfuckers

like rats with wings

[hybrid hill]

untuck my queen

[prime hearth]

oh

OH

OH MY GOD

[prime hearth]

I JUST CLOCKED

THAT ONE JANK HAPPY MEAL AD

[wide portal]

They took the body of a human woman and slammed a fursuit head on top

[prime hearth]

THIS WASNT JUST A BAD MODEL OF ROUGE

THEY LITERALLY MISTRANSLATED BAT TO RAT

[rugged otter]

guys we know rouge needs a redesign bad, but don't forget
we once had better

[fossil echo]

Adjustments look off because she unironically needs her tan colors to complete her color scheme

[rugged otter]

rogue tennis

[prime hearth]

IVE SOLVED A 14 YEAR OLD MYSTERY

[fossil echo]

More white throws off the balance

[wide portal]

They took the body of a human woman and slammed a fursuit head on top

[safe hull]

Taking the skeleton of a human woman and putting a sally acorn suit ontop of it

[rugged otter]

convinced it was half created created for a ritual

don't know what kind

[hushed crane]

ah yes Pakistan's attempt of making Sonic ad on McDonalds completely turned funny.

I remember that.

[fallen tendon]

https://x.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1976734395395686478?t=6Zr0yBO-bomJVVYPzc8zbg&s=19

[raw osprey]

whya re we keep posting this guy here

[hybrid hill]

and its from the same person too 😭

[cunning echo]

this user joined and the first message sent was a post from this same twitter user

maybe is his multi

[fallen tendon]

I just love Leak and I follow everyone :/

And I'm waiting for the announcement of Frontiers 2 so I'm crazy😭

[dawn pumice]

It’s fine posting about leaks here

But if it’s a guy doing a thinking emoji and saying sonic is at TGA

I mean

It’s kinda like saying the sky is blue

It’s a “no shit” statement

But that does remind me

I gotta buy tickets soon 😭

[fallen tendon]

I thought because they leaked Sonic in PUBG they were leak Frontiers 2 :/

[dawn pumice]

The pubg stuff came firstly from sonic city if I can recall

[fallen tendon]

How about the trailers?

[cunning echo]

In general, don't rely in any twitter "leaker"

[stiff salmon]

ur first mistake was trusting him in the first place

[hasty plume]

honestly I kinda hope frontiers 2 isnt next year
some spinoff, port thing or whatever sure
I just want them time to cook

[loud zinc]

You know sonic hotspot used to be ran by ‘sonicas’

I don’t think it should be shared here at all

[zinc spear]

Assuming pre development started post frontiers, and that it comes out say october november-ish...isn't 4 years considered 'time to cook'?

[loud zinc]

‘Sonicas’ is literally the founder of sonichotspot

[sick bobcat]

im not sure what an extra year could add to next mainline game
more polish? more content?

[dawn pumice]

I think we had enough time

They 100% started concepting a month after frontiers, and prob started full on development a month after final horizons

[fallen tendon]

Bro, I checked the Hotspot Telegram channel. It was created 10 years ago

[loud zinc]

‘Sonicas’ used to run it

[fallen tendon]

I just know it was on Twitter before

[past matrix]

I think it's been plenty of time

Or at least a nice approximate of time for solid development.

More so if they go for a late 2026 release, like November or December again.

I have further confidence by the team growth compared to what the original had to work with.

[hasty plume]

I would just prefer 2027

[sick bobcat]

imagine a mainline 2027 release, but its a smaller scaled open zone game

smaller than Frontiers

[dawn pumice]

Definitely holiday

[coarse ferry]

Holiday no doubt

[cunning echo]

hell, even before

they prolly had some ideas in the table in case frontiers both worked or not

[coarse ferry]

I feel like to also keep in mind is that SEGA tends to reuse assets liek a lot

Even if their games get bigger

[cunning echo]

after update 2 is probably when the new game started development

[dawn pumice]

They usually start new concepts once their game goes gold

And with a month break, after frontiers they prob started full art development

And a year after full scale development

[thick tinsel]

Frontiers 2 has likely been in development since the beginning of 2023

[wooden sand]

ig sonic hotspot posted it first if you check their telegram channel but they didn't have the twitter acc that time
almost any telegram post of hotspot gets reposted by sonic city after some time, even the fanarts they post in the channel

tho i don't think anyone'll ever confirm that

[fallen tendon]

Yes, that's exactly what I think.

[smoky summit]

It's really not about posting first after a certain point

End of the day there's 0 chance that any of these people "leaking stuff" actually work for companies that could be in the know about things

Most likely is that they are in discord servers or have other ways of accessing info from people that do, or maybe friends of friends of friends etc.

And in that scenario cautious ought to always be taken because almost always these sort of people will start posting assumptions, best guesses and fake rumors once their well of information dries up.

In this case, I think the chance of sega revealing the new Sonic game at TGA is like... 90%

Not for sure, but would be hard to bet against it

Even if the game is 2 years away, honestly

[dawn pumice]

^^

It always seems like Geoff always ask sega for Sonic shit

Especially when a good chunk of views are for Sonic 😭

[cunning echo]

Doubt Geoff asks is more on Sega taking the chance at big events

[dawn pumice]

Doesn’t Geoff ask tho?

He goes to every company and asks what they can showcase

Ah nvm it’s usually half and half

[autumn yacht]

well they have to pay him anyway

[dawn pumice]

Ya

[cunning echo]

Yeah Sega is gonna pay anyways

Geoff probably just does an offer

Is up to the companies to say yes

[stiff salmon]

geoff did ask for crossworlds

[stiff salmon]

sega's paying anyway because anniversary year

[cunning echo]

Oh no, I meant like Sega is the one that has to pay to be there so, is not like Geoff will directly ask them

[past matrix]

”SEGA-sir? Can I show the class y-your next mainline title, please?”

[grand cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explosion-explodes-cat-explodes-gif-10131775219258044191

[still epoch]

Yes

[rugged edge]

I have a theory

A Sonic movie 4 theory

Who wants to hear it

[smoky summit]

If I had a shot every time a sonic leaks channel message was not leak, I'd have probably 57 shots

[modest parcel]

Sonic Leaks Rumors and SPECULATION

[modest parcel]

Sure

[rugged edge]

Ok

So

I SPECULATE that we are going to get the title revealment trailer at the end of the year for Sonic 4

THANNNN

Beginning to middle of 2026 we are getting a full on movie trailer

THANNN

End of 2026 or beginning of 2027 is when we’re getting our last trailer

[modest parcel]

Is Sonic 4 releasing during the start of 2027?

[smoky summit]

I was not expectiing this to be a trailers dates theory ngl

[smoky summit]

I think middle

[modest parcel]

[silent haven]

set for mid march atm

[smoky summit]

That is early!

[modest parcel]

I'd say beginning 2027 is a decent expectation for a final trailer then yeah

Middle 2026 for first trailer tho

[rugged edge]

that’s what I saiddd

[modest parcel]

Yea I'm just going with that option out of the two

[rugged edge]

Im just big brain

[smoky summit]

I think the first trailer with footage will be at TGA 2026

[modest parcel]

That's waaaaay too late tho

[smoky summit]

Nope

[modest parcel]

That gives the movie only like 4 months to market itself

[silent haven]

3’s trailer was super late too tbf

[smoky summit]

Same thing with movie 2 which was like beginning of April

[modest parcel]

Not a leak

Not a rumor

Not speculation

[smoky summit]

And movie 3 was also 3 ish months before release iirc

[modest parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-laser-eyes-angry-cat-cyclops-nara-gif-26030753

[smoky summit]

Maybe 3.5

What was it

Wtf

[modest parcel]

A meme

Banned for posting memes not in general

[smoky summit]

Oh

[modest parcel]

That's fair ig

[smoky summit]

Lame

[modest parcel]

Well it's stupid and I don't like it

[smoky summit]

Well get hired

So you can actually influence decisions

[wise chasm]

My speculation for Sonic 4 trailer is:

• look at when Sonic 3 got the first trailer
• add ~3 months and change the year to 2026
• ???
• boneless chicken

[smoky summit]

I think logo reveal will be June 23 2026, Amy teaser render some time earlier in the year

[lunar trench]

In 521 days

[stiff salmon]

nope

this isn't happening

like at all

first trailer at most SGF

i doubt they want to repeat the same mistakes they did with movie 3

[wise chasm]

Oh hell yeah they're doing the same "mistake"

Cuz it was never really a mistake in the first place

[smoky summit]

In your and geoff's dream 😭

[prime hearth]

I'm thinking no movie trailer at SGF as they'll want all eyes on the next sonic game there

don't think they'd wanna overshadow one with the other

[stiff salmon]

paramount marketing moment

geniuntely has to be worse marketing team of all time

[dawn pumice]

Movie trailer for 4 is like, in my best bet September next year

Don’t see it happening any earlier

[wise chasm]

see y'all november 2026

[lunar trench]

What mistake 😭

[lunar trench]

Yeah like, except if they do another tie in game

Here's how i see it

(If it's not a new tie in game, which is prolly the case) :

Tga 2025 : first teaser (if it's a 10 sec cgi teaser i'm killing myself)
If cgi 10 sec teaser :
Actual trailer at state of play
If not :
Maybe a small trailer as state of play with new shots or just nothing

Very small amount of news, maybe amy's va leak (lmao) or another shadow shoe shot, prolly a tails tube somewhere here idfk

Sgf 2026 : second huge trailer, start of the marketing via music, new tails tubes and whtvr

Gamescom 2026 : another huge trailer (story if no central)

Sonic central (maybe lmao) 2026 : story trailer

Movie 4 trailer around here (as i said, we'll prolly get some sort of very small tease before that, like the ones we got for the past movies throughout 2026)

New game launches in oct/nov 2026

Tga 2026 : new game teaser/trailer and maybe a new movie 4 snippit

March 2027 : sonic movie 4

[hybrid hill]

IF THEY SHOW GAMEPLAY IN SOP INSTEAD OF TGS I WILL KILLLLL MYSELFFFF

[lunar trench]

They wouldn't wanna risk it for frontiers 2

[hybrid hill]

It would be so cool if they showed gameplay from the get go haha

[glossy sphinx]

ikr haha

[grand cobalt]

pack it up

[fallen tendon]

New leak frontiers 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-PdmymYREg

[wise chasm]

I'm not even gonna bother embedding this, it's Unleash's video

[modest parcel]

Oh they're sourcing vaugeposting between twitter users now 💔

[silent haven]

https://tenor.com/view/fairysoobs-spongebob-reaction-oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-gif-25698553

[still epoch]

Goddammit dude

Its how many times

That you post a thing that isnt even a rumor

Let alone a leak

You cant keep doing this or else people will just not want to see what you post

[wide portal]

I can’t believe I’m about to ask for Geoff Keighley to save us

[safe hull]

Geoff Keighley gonna spit in your eye before ever talking about Sonic willingly

[stiff salmon]

unleash?? ASS???

[grand cobalt]

rumors and speculation thread has hit rock bottom if we’re posting unleash videos

[past matrix]

Wslk becoming the new tiger

I say that as someone who didn't mind tiger

[coarse ferry]

unleash

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[glossy sphinx]

the goat!

[grand cobalt]

nero don’t endorse him just because he showed your tweet in the video

[glossy sphinx]

oh so you watched it?

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-laugh-speed-laughing-ishowspeed-laugh-speed-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-14327938280772974777

[grand cobalt]

no I hovered my cursor over the preview and saw it for like 2 seconds LMAO

it was in my feed earlier today

[raw osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ugh-gif-15774357492597497773

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[grand cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-godzilla-garegoji-jdooo-michael-c-hall-gif-11429997344878059262

[lunar trench]

We're this close to post thesonicshow videos

Might as well nuke the channel atp

[hybrid hill]

lowkey

[wise chasm]

or just timing people out could suffice

[coarse ferry]

^

[stiff salmon]

TRUE

[cunning echo]

oof

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-kaisen-itadori-sukuna-mahito-laugh-gif-19623696

[past matrix]

I forgot you were in this server

I'm aware of the occasional cryptic posts on twitter, and I'll wait patiently

[glossy sphinx]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G3Ja-3WW8AAK9-J.gif

[scarlet ether]

https://x.com/HYPEX/status/1979289043503325679

HYPEX (@HYPEX)

KASANE TETO IN FORTNITE — SOON

[VIA @ShiinaBR]

X · Oct 17, 2025, 8:50 PM

i apologize

she has manifested her fatass into a whole ass different game

[rugged otter]

ok now how about crossworlds

[scarlet ether]

never

now if you'll excuse me

[rugged otter]

fucked up

[scarlet ether]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-neighbor-noisy-hello-neighbour-neighbor-neighbour-gif-233887133729911524

[prime hearth]

FUCK

just when I thought I was off the fortnite train............

[verbal tundra]

This is like the 3rd time she was “leaked”

Watch its just songs

[silent haven]

https://tenor.com/view/seen-it-marty-back-to-the-future-ive-seen-this-one-gif-5960361

[verbal tundra]

It just hit me.

What if he saw the word “vocaloid” and assumed it was Teto

Cuz like
Teto isn’t a vocaloid…..

[safe hull]

People still don't know 😭

[verbal tundra]

Bro had to have saw vocaloid and said “TETO!”

Bro we got LUKA coming to Fortnite (billion times more hype tbh)

[cunning echo]

People still don't know she's not official

[cunning echo]

That would be hype

They can make a Magnet emote

[verbal tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/vocaloid-megurine-luka-luka-night-forever-project-diva-gif-3923179507227907343

Imma need this asap

Luka Luka Night Fever clears every Miku song in Fortnite (except Magical Cure Love Shot they’re tied)

Vocaloid in Fortnite rumors got more motion than any sonic leak this past month

[cunning echo]

We already got sonic

[untold kayak]

Not sure if real or not but I thought it would be interesting to share

[mint umbra]

oh thats 100% actual legit model data that leaked

theres environments and stuff here too

[untold kayak]

Oh shit

[mint umbra]

i think these might mostly be pure photoscans and early retopologized meshes used in previz though, not final assets

like this model of shadow's bike here is 100% just the raw scan

[untold kayak]

Hm makes sense. Still I think it's interesting in its own right

[mint umbra]

the entire chao garden scan is here

the sonic model here does seem to just be the one used in the film, only it's already posed and not rigged

(it might be rigged if you open the file in maya? im using a somewhat broken maya file extension for blender)

[untold kayak]

idk, I leave the whole modeling to you. That's out of my area of knowledge tbh

Is there something related to either Amy or Metal there by any chance?

[mint umbra]

nah

[untold kayak]

worth a shot

[dawn pumice]

I could possibly check later

I do somewhat know my way around Maya

[mint umbra]

i think they likely aren't rigged bc there's very very rough robotnik and tom models in that folder that actually are rigged, and while you can't pose em in blender the empties for the rig controllers are present

might still be worth checking though

[autumn yacht]

finally an actual lea-wait what

[untold kayak]

Yeah models of sonic movie 3 were leaked

[wide portal]

I only have access to Maya via my school account and I lowkey don’t have a fucking death wish

That being said congrats to this thread for finally acquiring a leak for the leak discussion channel

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-its-always-sunny-applaud-happy-cry-clapping-gif-18958303

[untold kayak]

Mhm

[dawn pumice]

Hadn’t thought about that 😭

Ya nvm im good

[wide portal]

I’m pushing my luck with an entire model based on my persona ILLEGALLY RIPPED MODELS FROM A THEATRICAL FILM DAWG

IM GOOD ON THAT

THANK YOU

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-laugh-laughing-crying-crying-laughing-gif-1765169835490182236

[mint umbra]

if yall wanna check out the models in blender you can use this https://github.com/rBrenick/open-maya-file-in-blender

[fallen tendon]

https://x.com/RiversRunnin/status/1980077535460262327?t=rIwoZ6qbgdNDxiQFOc16EA&s=19

[still epoch]

Istg

[modest parcel]

https://fxtwitter.com/roxochixo/status/1980079107833536704

NERO / ネロ (@roxochixo)

@RiversRunnin

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FxTwitter · Oct 20, 2025, 1:10 AM

[hasty plume]

me when I describe a sequel

[coarse ferry]

Yes

[still epoch]

I didnt even read

I have grown as a person

[past matrix]

Fake as hell; but at least these ones are on the metric of being from 4chan ig.

[fallen tendon]

👍👍

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-laughing-in-couch-laugh-black-guy-laughing-trying-not-to-laugh-laughing-gif-7359973220062677265

[dawn pumice]

Me when I say it plays the same

So I’m guaranteed to get it right

Aka have no special details

[glossy sphinx]

hmmm not really

[dawn pumice]

But even then

This is the most safest leak I’ve seen to a point where’s it even not a leak

“Gonna be at game awards” - the sky is blue
“Gonna have linear stages” - ok? Pretty easy to predict after both frontiers and shadow
“Gonna have a skill tree”

I miss when there was like one wtf thing in a leak that made it legit

Like ghost girl or gigantic tree

[glossy sphinx]

wdym? they clearly put a lot of time into this leak....

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/elisttm-snow-leopard-eyes-lets-take-a-look-gif-17708647060006114487

[dawn pumice]

😭

[glossy sphinx]

eh who knows, none of the leaks have stood out yet