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#Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation
shy tangle
ember junco
Not even the peak ones for SpongeBob and Squidward
safe hull
Why is the Krabs art the most dynamic 😭
ember junco
Should’ve been them
scarlet ether
Why is the Krabs art the most dynamic 😭
He was promised CrossWorlds money
stiff salmon
plush moth
https://fxtwitter.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1971987025919463659?t=s2WqCZhhgF5nxXW...
the sonics look like ai and I hate it
cyan kettle
Sonic in PUBG >> Sonic in Fortnite
hushed crane
Kriss Vector SMG Sonic skin... 
safe hull
the sonics look like ai and I hate it
coarse ferry
taking place on Angel Island ...
Show the link
smoky summit
I don't have a plane how am I supposed to go to Angel Island
stiff salmon
There's a new Frontiers 2 leak on 4chan
show the link.
raw ether
Why would they put Angel Island back in the lore?
This reeks of fake
wide portal
There's a new Frontiers 2 leak on 4chan
do you have a photo
cyan kettle
Yes
past matrix
show, please
cyan kettle
I lost the link, but I have a picture of it.
cyan kettle
I'm restricted here, I can't send pictures.
Please send me a private message so I can send it to you.
past matrix
Ooooh, you’re a new face.
cyan kettle
Forward later.
coarse ferry
Rip I’m on phone 💀
past matrix
I’ll go for it
coarse ferry
🫡
coarse ferry
…..WAIT
past matrix
correct me if I’m wrong. But I lowkey feel like I’ve heard about something adjacent like this before
past matrix
oooh yeah..I forgot you exist..
wide portal
yeah we heard mentions of angel island previously
you guys remember the Summit Spire leak right
coarse ferry
I may have missed it
wide portal
it lined up with a July leak that didn’t mention a name but shared some similar details
cyan kettle
The leak date is yesterday
wide portal
it lined up with a July leak that didn’t mention a name but shared some similar ...
neither have been confirmed yet but
I imagine this is what these screenshots are referencing
coarse ferry
If so then we might actually see what sky sanctuary is like lmao
thick tinsel
Man that would be very interesting
still epoch
This is nothing
What the fuck dude
I am so disappointed
I could have done this shit
This is not a leak
raw ether
This reeks of fake
cyan kettle
Ok
past matrix
I can relatively see something like this happening in frontiers 2, be it the ‘leak’ fake or real.
and by this, I mean an skybound location.
wide portal
if that initial July 2024 leak is actually real then we’ll know for sure by December
past matrix
if that initial July 2024 leak is actually real then we’ll know for sure by Dece...
anybody still got hands on that one
prime hearth
realistically I'm expecting one single big open zone over a few smaller chunks like Frontiers - feels like what they were gunning for in Frontiers 1 before they had to split up Kronos later along the line, so makes perfect sense to revisit that
everything else tho? prolly guff lol
wide portal
I’m leaning towards fake with both rn but that’s mainly on the distance moreso than anything
nothing else within the information in these posts tips me off to potentially being fake in any meaningful way aside from being on 4chan and the chance that the second guy could’ve just used the first leak as a reference
past matrix
yeah, compared to most. The stuff told here seems pretty plausible/probably not to far off from what they’re actually doing
wide portal
If we got a third leak with almost the exact same details but preferably earlier than both timeline wise, that would probably be the lock for me
past matrix
do we still consider the one with the “AI art’ besides scrolls of a logline & descriptiom from a pitch meeting” as a plausibility, or has that ship sailed and isn’t worth holding onto
cyan kettle
do we still consider the one with the “AI art’ besides scrolls of a logline & de...
Dm
wide portal
do we still consider the one with the “AI art’ besides scrolls of a logline & de...
too early to say for sure tbh
I’m pretty sure it’s fake tho just by nature
cyan kettle
I noticed this old Frontiers leak last month. It's dated 2020.
past matrix
Oldest initial Frontiers leak apparently.
I say apparently because I didn’t keep up with all of them, so I wouldn’t know.
wide portal
Ah yeah I remember when this started to circulate post-central
stiff salmon
WAIT YEAH IT LINES UP WITH SUMMIT SPIRE
loud zinc
WAIT YEAH IT LINES UP WITH SUMMIT SPIRE
Wasn’t that leak debunked or smth
plush moth
https://tenor.com/view/headache-migraine-stressed-out-charlie-day-its-always-sun...
THEY DO
tell me this doesn’t look like ai
hybrid hill
guys 💀💀
hybrid hill
I don’t want u guys sending fake 4chan bullshit anymore 😭
still epoch
I don’t want u guys sending fake 4chan bullshit anymore 😭
THAAAANK YOU
still epoch
Like what the hell even is this
dawn pumice
It’s better than posting audio clips 24/7 from crossworlds 
hybrid hill
Stop indulging urself with fake leak slop!!
dawn pumice
At least we can make fun of it
dawn pumice
Then they are some of boring ass leaks
still epoch
This is just some guy saying some really generic prediction in 2 lines
Thats not leaks or rumors
There is nothing to hold on here for legitimacy
dawn pumice
That is true posting a sentence is kinda crazy
past matrix
no stone goes unturned
hybrid hill
I know what’s the next Sonic game about so I’ll do u guys a favor and tell u when a leak is actually legit :)
past matrix
no stone goes unturned
Until we get official stuff; we continue on that road path that our ancestors did before us, and fill the gap with “leaks”, rumors and speculations.
wait a min.
plush moth
I know what’s the next Sonic game about so I’ll do u guys a favor and tell u whe...
thank you spectre
oh my fucking god Justin😭
wide portal
I know what’s the next Sonic game about so I’ll do u guys a favor and tell u whe...
Is Sonic Man playable
smoky summit
This was some old Sonic Blitz/Sonic Jiyu whatever leak from months ago
Not new
However the anniversary logo did come out after with the master emerald so 
smoky summit
you guys remember the Summit Spire leak right
Lmao
Yeah one of those
Unfortunately I have to say that leaks "lining up" is kinda of hard to say cause like
It's kinda predictable what Sonic Team might do so everyone says something along the same lines
Open Zone, 1 or more giant islands, some new gimmick
Yada yada
smoky summit
Well I'm sure Sonic Team will not be that stale
still epoch
CUZ ITS NOT FUXKING REAL
dawn pumice
Ya
smoky summit
No one expected the Avatar
smoky summit
Even Gens the concept was very unexpected
Same with Unleashed
Heck every game honestly lol
The only predictable ones are like quick direct sequels
Like Sonic 4
And some of the 2D games
I think sega and the devs have this sort of mantra that they really do have to do something not done before for the game to really be a big hit
Which a lot of the fandom doesn't really believe in much because some of the previous attempts weren't good
stiff salmon
i have a feeling the leaks are a smokescreen
past matrix
arguably, the next step should be a city rather than an island theme.
smoky summit
The presentations are probably real cause some people saw them before Blitz was revealed in private circles and also it uses concept art instead of the already shown art
thick tinsel
https://x.com/p0wyful/status/1940525976322297876?t=ZXy5HgLkiMjZSOkL6AhHfA&s=19
Funny enough powyful said that SEGA was fucking around with Gen AI before this presentation was posted
not for games tho ofc
dawn pumice
The presentations are probably real cause some people saw them before Blitz was ...
?
I haven’t heard this
wide portal
I think Tobe mentioned it before
smoky summit
Tobe mentioned it before
stiff salmon
https://x.com/p0wyful/status/1940525976322297876?t=ZXy5HgLkiMjZSOkL6AhHfA&s=19
remember when this person lied on purpose about Miku, persona, and yakuza rep on purpose because they wanted crossworlds to fail
good times...
also got P6 completely wrong and also got disproven as a source
pulsar horizon
Tobe mentioned it before
Did you just mention yourself in the 3rd person?
wide portal
remember when this person lied on purpose about Miku, persona, and yakuza rep on...
They did not lie on purpose they were just missing information
stiff salmon
wide portal
I can’t read this rn but in regards to Crossworlds they literally did not know about the Sega rep
they had information regarding the Nickelodeon stuff which included the picture of Minecraft Alex
autumn yacht
it's pretty simple, what kind of stuff is being leaked?
playtester, well that's easy
anything greater than that? false
of all the insider stuff beyond playtester that's ever leaked for sonic, it's such a small amount and it doesn't even have a good track record (like reliable sources saying flynn wrote a draft of forces)
dawn pumice
The PowerPoint leak is going strong still….
humble drum
https://fxtwitter.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1971987025919463659?t=s2WqCZhhgF5nxXW...
So they put knuckles on the parachute but he doesn't get an outfit 
cunning echo
I know what’s the next Sonic game about so I’ll do u guys a favor and tell u whe...
Make sense why you appeared now
Is legit bros!
grand cobalt
shitty ass leak
cunning echo
I miss the shitting leak
silent haven
forest fractal
S RANK IS MANDATORY IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF
ALSO 50k TICKETS?!
YOUD HAVE TO SPEND 1.15M TICKETS TO COMPLETE ALL FRIENDSHIPS
100%-ing CrossWorlds is going to be worse than Transformed
modest parcel
forest fractal
Just kill me bro. I can’t be doing this
modest parcel
If the completionist does decide to come back ppl should make him do Crossworlds
wise chasm
Didn't he make an apology video
forest fractal
Did he actually had a good response to the allegations cause if so damn?
modest parcel
idk
forest fractal
I would’ve said ShadGens if you thought that was what I meant IDIOT
wide portal
If the completionist does decide to come back ppl should make him do Crossworlds
I made a joke about this days ago 😭
raw osprey
cyan kettle
I know what’s the next Sonic game about so I’ll do u guys a favor and tell u whe...
Just tell us this, please. Will Frontiers 2 drop in 2026?
dusty osprey
Did he actually had a good response to the allegations cause if so damn?
No
He just tried to come back
And people didnt like it
wise chasm
No
He just tried to come back
No, I meant the recent one he posted 2 days ago
Didn't watch it tho, so I don't know if it's good or not
dusty osprey
Oh he posted a response? Recently
Huh
Before he just tried to continue buisness as usual
Ill check a look
last idol
Didn't watch it tho, so I don't know if it's good or not
It’s not
Like the money has been donated finally which is good
But also it doesn’t really undo anything
prime hearth
you’d think these ‘tubers would have enough transferable skills (video editing, presenting, etc) to move on into a different career once they’ve shat the bed but they really do just keep returning to the poisoned well huh
like, you’ve fucked it, you’re not welcome here, why do you keep popping back up again what do u think will happen
it’s that one bloke off the Simpsons with the rake (can’t remember his name rip lol)
autumn yacht
most influencers can't transfer period
though i don't have any sympathy for the grand majority of them
cunning echo
Who are you guys even talking about
safe hull
They should add the Completionist to Crossworlds in the same vein as Yogscast but put him in the friendship tab and whenever you reach the ticket donation milestones, he doesn't give you the reward but still has the ticket donations open
untold kayak
wide portal
the next blitz update might be 9/11 for fandom sanity
untold kayak
Mhm
still epoch
Oh hell yea
rugged otter
dude if these bozos actually make it
verbal tundra
ngl itll be hype
coarse ferry
I feel like it alone is a W because we at least know SEGA can easily use the archie chars
wide portal
The comedy of the freedom fighters getting in before sticks
plush moth
https://fxtwitter.com/sonicstadium/status/1972455017043955932
if Archie makes it this is gonna be the equivalent of 20 9/11s
rugged otter
do not care about archie cast but if they can get away with somehow sticking them in, then I can't help but find it exciting what else could be possible
as snowball's chance in hell it is
coarse ferry
I just have nothing to say about the archie chars since I never read their comics
stiff salmon
https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-alan-allan-i-don%27t-really-want-this-gif...
FRIGHTENING: Sega of Japan watches in horror as they use characters from the archive not seen since Archie
forest fractal
I hope buying Freedom Fighter cards costs like a fortune just to fw everyone
smoky summit
I hope buying Freedom Fighter cards costs like a fortune just to fw everyone
If there's one place it might be morally correct to do an nft scam...
forest fractal
I will advocate for NFTs just to say fuck you to the Freedom Fighters
plush moth
forest fractal
Nothing I love to do than hating American Sonic
hasty plume
if Archie makes it this is gonna be the equivalent of 20 9/11s
what a fucked up thing to say
leaden acorn
Isn't Corral one of the reboot characters in Archie?
untold kayak
Isn't Corral one of the reboot characters in Archie?
yeah
leaden acorn
That would be huge. Bigger than the Freedom Fighters imo.
untold kayak
X
autumn yacht
dude if these bozos actually make it
pls
autumn yacht
SHADE WAS DELETED?
silent haven
wise chasm
bro what are you doing there
prime hearth
pubg turning a dial labelled "conventionally attractive white women" and looking back at the audience to see if they've jacked off while entering their credit card details yet
runic osprey
pubg turning a dial labelled "conventionally attractive white women" and looking...
What could possibly possess someone to say this
dusty osprey
pubg turning a dial labelled "conventionally attractive white women" and looking...
It is...the style of the time
As absurd as it maybe
humble drum
why would you dress one of them as tails 
smoky summit
Idk
I really find it hard to believe they aren't photoshopping AI generated images
The faces are different?
cunning echo
Sadly their art is just like that 😭
coarse ferry
bro he ugly
lunar trench
Super sonic looks okay for some reasons 😭
wise chasm
Also everything in that trailer just makes me more anti-middle mouth
safe hull
sonic is about to have a heated gamer moment
stiff salmon
It's *that* bridge
raw osprey
It's *that* bridge
bridge island zone becoming new green hill
wise chasm
Not the one you're thinking of, bekon
cyan kettle
Also everything in that trailer just makes me more anti-middle mouth
This island is inside PUBG itself it's not related to Sonic games.
wise chasm
Not sure how that correlates to my comment in any way, but alright
cyan kettle
bridge island zone becoming new green hill
.
wise chasm
That's not what you replied to tho!!!!!
past matrix
Also everything in that trailer just makes me more anti-middle mouth
Cause it's the worst way of utilizing it, god damn that's bad.
raw osprey
Not the one you're thinking of, bekon
oh you meant that bridge
hybrid hill
plush moth
https://tenor.com/view/pubg-pubg-bridge-pewdiepie-bridge-incident-gif-1504296319...
i hate that I know what this is referencing
verbal tundra
what a fucking
plush moth
?
dense snow
what a fucking indeed
forest fractal
what a fucking nice bridge
forest fractal
im sorry man but what the fuck
dawn pumice
https://x.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1973898202220015917?t=Ka1zZveNF8mwl9bnVPOkjg&...
And the sky is blue
I think everyone kinda expected Sonic to be at TGA this year
One month before anniversary year
sonic having every major appearance at a Geoff event, Geoff’s new crash bandicoot
major eyes on the event
still epoch
Im soooooo excited for the next open zone
loud zinc
I think everyone kinda expected Sonic to be at TGA this year
I reckon sega’s presence will be as big as the TGA in 2023
coarse ferry
Agreed
coarse ferry
Prob half sonic and half sega
altho what'll be your guess outside of Sonic?
Since that one is pretty much a lock at this point lmao
stiff salmon
https://x.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1973898202220015917?t=Ka1zZveNF8mwl9bnVPOkjg&...
ramona
coarse ferry
For me: Sonic, ATLUS related, Stranger than heavens, VF6, and JSR
dawn pumice
Oh ya forgot about Atlus
I’m guessing
Sonic
Atlus project
JSR
Think 3 is good enough for sega
coarse ferry
yeah
ATLUS is liek the most difficult one to tell due to P4R. It's way too hard to tell what'll even be their other games
dawn pumice
Details tho
Sonic
Ya ur getting a 20 second teaser and that’s all ur getting, nothing substantial except maybe the title
JSR
Full gameplay reveal of the remake, decently big trailer like 3 mins
Atlus
Honestly, I’m not big into Atlus but if I had to guess it’s one more remake before P6??? If P6 tho, ur getting a teaser trailer with no gameplay
dawn pumice
if we get 20 second teaser
Willing to bet money 😭
coarse ferry
Yeah JSR I can see getting the most attention
dawn pumice
They always do this for their titles
coarse ferry
Sonic tho yeah a tease is expected
ATLUS, even if knowing much about ATLUS it's still hard to say thanks to P4R
💀
cunning echo
Willing to bet money 😭
look, im fine with it at a central but in a really important event..
nah man 😭
thats just embarrasing
dawn pumice
Naaaaaa
dawn pumice
It does get a lot of people talkin
coarse ferry
Even then that's how TGA normally works
dawn pumice
Oh it ain’t
cunning echo
but there isnt much to talk about it
dawn pumice
But it gets a lot of people talking
coarse ferry
Either teases or just giving us a 15 minute "gameplay"
stiff salmon
i think they go all out on the trailer tbh
dawn pumice
Like
stiff salmon
this isn't the sega of old
stiff salmon
crossworlds thing is bc sony had marketing rights
cunning echo
I would end it all
stiff salmon
i don't think they have marketing rights for frontiers 2
coarse ferry
oh yeah that's something to point out
cunning echo
like at least show the open world
coarse ferry
SEGA marketing is a lot more different now compared to Frontiers
dawn pumice
Mmmmm
coarse ferry
Yeah I feel like it's something to keep in mind
dawn pumice
I feel like PlayStation would still have marketing rights
They had it for shadow
And now crossworlds
coarse ferry
Even SXSG gotten an actual trailer. Same goes to Superstars
Even so Sony will be there
dawn pumice
Superstars was a weird case tho
coarse ferry
So I don't think it'll matter too much
dawn pumice
The game got announced it was gonna release like 4 months later
Which like
Never happens with sonic games
still epoch
Man
Ngl sometimes you guys fucking underestimate 29 second teasers
And i hate that there is no inagination to be had
Depending on how its done it could be extremely exciting
dawn pumice
It’ll show a new locale + a new ability
still epoch
A detailed human city
coarse ferry
I mean we are just only going by just prediction
still epoch
And sonic runs through it
coarse ferry
But I can see SEGA propely wow us this time
still epoch
Like that would be exciting
dawn pumice
U know what would be exciting as fuck tho
raw ether
Doesn’t matter how long or short the teaser is, or what it depicts.
Fans will pinpoint every detail of it for several months afterward.
coarse ferry
Come to think of it, I can legit see SEGA actually pushing UE5 for next sonic game
Since it's clear crossworld is using it in some form
The next 3D Sonic game could expand that far more
still epoch
Honestly
I just wanna see sonic with a new model lmao
Please
Its so dire
Sonic looks so ugly nowdays
Please fix him
Get his quills back to how they were
coarse ferry
To me I only care for adding the new model just to feel properly updated
It's looking too outdated nowadays since we are seeing other long running chars that did so
lunar trench
Have a cutscene in UE5 and it looks like cgi
If they're going back to he2 for frontiers 2 i might just kms
still epoch
I want to see a difference in look
So badly
Ok but
What it
It
Is
On
Switch 1
Lmao
cunning echo
hopefully not
still epoch
Dude i have a switch 1 only and i hope not either
I am done with nintendo consoles making sonic games unable to take bit steps on graphics
cunning echo
I think is gonna be he2 still
lunar trench
Wasn't the maya plugin only compatible with ue ?
cunning echo
nope
they were using it as a base
the ue
they just adding UE tech in HE2
Crossworld barely uses UE, is super modified to have like
nothing new from it
😭
is just like pseudo he2
they took out lot of stuff
lunar trench
I mean hey
If they just use it for rendering
Cuz at its best crossworlds is the best looking sonic gamz
Easy
cunning echo
ehh
lunar trench
ehh
Idk man, the night races or dark places just look too good with eu
Day is ehhh
But it's mostly cuz they look washed out for some reasons
dawn pumice
If they're going back to he2 for frontiers 2 i might just kms
Highly doubt it now
After looking at crossworlds coding
dawn pumice
Crossworlds physics is he2
dawn pumice
But everything else ya
Is ue5.4
So they most likely ported their physics engine over
lunar trench
They really gotta learn to use it cuz that shit looks mostly bleh when it comes to day races
cunning echo
Idk man, the night races or dark places just look too good with eu
night time looks good but day time looks horrendous
except for sand road
dawn pumice
But shadow was still in Dev before final horizon
lunar trench
Ye ik
cunning echo
I still think they just gonna use unreal for other type of games
especially since the new rggs game seems to be just using dragon engine
no info on persona 6 so not like we can say much
dawn pumice
IMO I don’t think so due to ue5 being the mainstream in the industry + easier to hire for
coarse ferry
I feel like when it comes to SEGA's direciton they'll only use UE for remakes and such
lunar trench
Tbf the engine they used for metaphor is really really fucking outdated, thx god the game was very stylized cuz jesus
coarse ferry
Like for example: If Sonic Heroes gets an remake, they'll lean more so over UE5
dawn pumice
Imma be so mad to see the next game being only HE2
cunning echo
oh yeah I forgor about metaphor
coarse ferry
I am amazed they made metaphor looks good despite the engine 💀
lunar trench
He3 or bust
cunning echo
yeah metaphor uses atlus engine
cunning echo
frontier already ported unreal stuff to the engine (it was duck taped tho) and shadow gens I think did the same but more optimized ofc
at last they probably just want to have the unreal workflow
dawn pumice
Shadow gens was more for testing textures / animations I recall
cunning echo
for all their inhouse engine
lunar trench
Both are node based right ?
dawn pumice
Ya I think so
cunning echo
but frontiers was just new tech ducktaped
the bullet physics stuff were literally copy and paste from the github
💀💀💀
dawn pumice
I just know that he2 is overcomplicated af
lunar trench
God yeah, night time looks so pretty
dawn pumice
Isn’t ue5 widely accessible tho
lunar trench
I just know that he2 is overcomplicated af
They have to train new people on it yeah
dawn pumice
God yeah, night time looks so pretty
I still believe crossworlds is the best lookin Sonic game
coarse ferry
Only time I'll say night time looked pretty rough to me is just mystic jungle
That's about it
cunning echo
Isn’t ue5 widely accessible tho
due to plugins and shit ye
coarse ferry
The rest looked great
lunar trench
I still believe crossworlds is the best lookin Sonic game
At its best i agree
cunning echo
I think Unity would work better for sonic games imo
coarse ferry
Agreed honestly
cunning echo
well yea
lunar trench
When you're trained in school
cunning echo
godot is still in baby steps
wise chasm
If they're going back to he2 for frontiers 2 i might just kms
I don't see a difference considering how Crossworlds's handling UE5
The 60fps framerate cap is still there, the graphical settings are barely there, the items' pop-in is still noticable enough
lunar trench
I don't see a difference considering how Crossworlds's handling UE5
Because it'll be a step backward imo
Also i just think ue5 looks better
They can keep improving this "fusion"
wise chasm
If they can actually use it to a better/full extent, then I guess it could look better
I just don't see it with Crossworlds
lunar trench
As i said i see it in the night settings
And as davih said, only on sand road for some reasons
glossy sphinx
Details tho
Sonic
Ya ur getting a 20 second teaser and that’s all ur getting,...
I imagine the teaser will be around the same as the frontiers TGA one
considering how the next game is most likely releasing next year
basically... a 20 second teaser with a bit of substance to it
- website, screenshots, staff info
dawn pumice
The most I can really see tho is like an image of the main area
But that’s like
Stretching it a bit
I think it’ll be like crossworlds
Very short teaser
But in like March, we’ll get actual gameplay
glossy sphinx
The most I can really see tho is like an image of the main area
well yeah
pretty much what I said
since frontiers did that
dawn pumice
But even then, I feel like they’re gonna go with the crossworlds route
glossy sphinx
eh idk
they didn't do that for shadow gens either
I feel like things will be different from that with frontiers 2
that shit ass crossworlds teaser that only featured shadow oml
safe hull
~~that shit ass crossworlds teaser that only featured shadow oml~~
Didn't even have like, a map or anything in it either
Just car, portal and OOOOOO EXTREME GEAR COVERED AND HIDDEN IN THE BACK OOOOO
But I will say
Only like 9 months from that to release is preferrable
And 2 months since that teaser to lead to an actual reveal AND semipublic PLAYABLE BETA???
lunar trench
Just car, portal and OOOOOO EXTREME GEAR COVERED AND HIDDEN IN THE BACK OOOOO
If they do that for frontiers 2 i will end it all
glossy sphinx
And 2 months since that teaser to lead to an actual reveal AND semipublic PLAYAB...
yea... I feel like Crossworlds is a special case
lunar trench
I am not taking another teaser for tga while having to wait for that fuck ass state of play
glossy sphinx
small teaser in May -> longer teaser in December -> IGN first in June
safe hull
Just show the fucking game
NO IGN FIRST SHIT EITHER NEXT TIME EITHER PLEASE
lunar trench
they felt like they revealed that game too early
Ye but if they didn't announce anything back then 
glossy sphinx
I think we just need to end the vague CG teasers
Shadow Gens haha..!
safe hull
Shadow Gens haha..!
Hey that atleast had gameplay in there
glossy sphinx
yeah that's why I mentioned it 💔
lunar trench
I want a frontiers tga reveal kind of teaser trailer nothing less
safe hull
https://youtu.be/BS9YAiD9EP8
Scariest fucking time right here man, that doomer mindset took over HARD
lunar trench
I want to see the game
glossy sphinx
I want a frontiers tga reveal kind of teaser trailer nothing less
that's the only thing that makes sense to me considering how big this game is
lunar trench
that's the only thing that makes sense to me considering how big this game is
I really hope so...
safe hull
I pray that the next mainline game drops the last gen ports
lunar trench
glossy sphinx
I pray that the next mainline game drops the last gen ports
wise chasm
I pray that the next mainline game drops the last gen ports
good luck with that
safe hull
At this point, this would be like having Forces release with an Xbox 360 port
silent haven
dawn pumice
good luck with that
Ya that shit ain’t dropping the switch
raw osprey
i need switch 2 to sell 100M copies till the end of 2027
wise chasm
Good luck doing that with the current state of the world
still epoch
I want this next game to be the most jrpg motherfucking thing ever
I want all the bells and whistles
Frontiers was the closest we got now we gotta go even further
past matrix
I'm mostly wondering on if they're gonna double down on what the Japan audience really liked (the atmosphere/art direction), or go for more of what the fans want in terms of something a bit more fantastical.
The best outcome would obviously be, finding an balance ofc.
But sometimes with these games it's either one direction or another, so I can't settle definitively.
All I know is, the aura of the ads in JP were on POINT.
So I'm gonna need them to run that aspect back one more time
still epoch
I'm mostly wondering on if they're gonna double down on what the Japan audience ...
I think they gotta go jrpg fantastical not colors and shapes fantastical
Frontiers was like plain fields with some funky triangles structures
past matrix
https://youtu.be/gxCXV4IgVZE?si=dCtTSuF94CQZfC6G
I remember the day I saw this, I just had this dumb ass smile growing on my face
still epoch
Ngl i think this commercial is so appealing in its own way
past matrix
I think they gotta go jrpg fantastical not colors and shapes fantastical
Yeah, that seems to be the most optimal
still epoch
And im 1000% absolutely down for it
Final Fantasy Sonic is the direction they should go
Specifically 7, 8, 10
I think if they truly locked in on a story thats not just a like wow the mysteries
It could be something extremely exciting
Ofc thats just presentation wise and story wise
Gameplay wise frontiers has something real good going for
But it needs to upgrade things such as combat real bad
Just do a Kingdom Hearts on this thing
Straight up
zinc spear
still not fully convinced the answer to sonic combat lies in just taking from one source
still epoch
I am
zinc spear
Like sure some inspiration doesn't hurt but when making Sonic combat surely something that's actually built with the characters abilities and whatnot in mind would be better?
still epoch
That is such semantics
Like if you want more detail than that
No, i do not want sonic carrying a blade
zinc spear
that's not my point
still epoch
No i dont want sonic to have the same moveset as kh
I dont want sonic frontiers 2 to be sonic kingdom hearts
It is a primary source of inspiration as they do their own thing, Obviously.
I wish i didnt have to even say that lol
zinc spear
I think you're getting the wrong idea on what I'm saying but nevermind.
clearly I can't explain myself in a way that makes sense
still epoch
If thats the case than explain cuz to me
You said that it has to be more focused on the characters abilities
But i thought that was already being done?
It just needs to make it, idk, matter
Cuz in frontiers you have all kinds of moves and their efficiency is so not tuned correctly
And to me, the way to make it feel concise is to look at Arpgs like KH
past matrix
That's definitely something I noticed with final horizons.
still epoch
And to me, the way to make it feel concise is to look at Arpgs like KH
Where you cant just spam one move and win
You cant just crosslash to win
The combat aspect of frontiers needed way more polish, it is a nothingburger
past matrix
That's definitely something I noticed with final horizons.
That and I'd like for the camera to be fixed/adjusted for stylish moves.
I get what they were going for, since it's prevalent in even the base game; but that thing is..not Insomniac spider-man, in terms of finishers/moves.
No smooth transitions.
still epoch
They dont even look too good tbh
To have stylish moves that work it needs to look good at all angles
Ok but, i am seriously curious
How do you make the combat more sonic-like
Because i have no idea
To me frontiers was pretty sonic like
It was quick and snappy
When people say “make the combat work with the characters abilities” i am just confused because frontiers did the best it could with that i suppose?
I do think we NEED punches and kicks
Cuz just spindashing around for a 1 2 combo would not be right
I dont want to come across as
Just turn sonic into kingdom hearts
But there is a LOT that sonic team could get from many ARPGs that could help the flow
Like imagine frontiers with an aerial recovery
Instead of having to guard mid knockback
And then you fall on your feet sliding around and keeping more control
That kind of stuff
past matrix
How do you make the combat more sonic-like
I guess the general assumption is that he should be more..rapid fire-y.
But I also think he's pretty rapid fire as is (flurry of punches, kicks in seconds after jabs, you can loop circles around enemies, etc.)
So I guess more incorporation of using your environment to your advantage for battles/leverage of speed..
But you can also kind of already do that as is to, depending on how you play.
Man idk, I'm an animator. My head/expertise is somewhere different lol
still epoch
I think he is already very rapid fire the thing is that the animations need to be better
past matrix
Yep, that part
still epoch
He goes HAHUHA
but its very like, stiff
Id like to see him do like, some nice flowy punches and kicks
With a lot more flair like spins
Like frontiers has the whole, finish combo animation changing depending on what direction you are holding
But what if it actually mattered
Like if you kick to the side the enemy goes flying to the direction
Or in the air
cunning echo
I'm pretty sure that's what happens Henry 😭
still epoch
No its not
zinc spear
Alright to clarify, I meant to say that combat could also have moments where it's more movement involved instead of more static. Like, you aren't just gonna stay in one place slightly moving in the direction you're attacking if that at all makes sense. Arena style battles have their place but I just thought that, taking advantage of the open zone, some fights could be more 'on the move' so to speak
On another note with the character abilities, obviously there's the spindash, bounce, roll etc. But I've mentioned a lot about how Sonic's speed & acrobatics could be used more creatively. Still that led to a whole debate on how, that isn't really what the series is going for and the stuff I mentioned was just what I wanted
still epoch
I mean i think Arena fights are cool and there could be some wide arena battles with some sort of level design than just a circle where you battle
But also the idea of battle out in the open could be really cool too
Whrre you can run around the enemy chases you and vice versa
zinc spear
When I think open zone battles I'm almost picturing something like the giant crab in forces that the avatar takes down. only instead of a boring easy QTE, an actual fight.
still epoch
Yea i know, instead of just standing in place the crab runs around the zone
cunning echo
So squid
still epoch
No lmao
zinc spear
I mean that's more stop and start.
cunning echo
hasty plume
leave squid alone
still epoch
Squid is literally a quick step road and you kill
zinc spear
exactly
hasty plume
hes a funny little guy
cunning echo
He flies around
still epoch
A crab in the open zone would be far more dynamic than that
Like a giant enemy (crab) and you have to get to like
A building to climb up
cunning echo
And there is also ghost
still epoch
Neither of these are the same as Nickholas is talking about
zinc spear
on the note of arena battles there was this other idea I had for some sorta tree boss. you'd be in this kind of dome with the enemy in the centre. the point to attack it is at the top, so you'd have to figure out a way to get there. maybe deflecting some attacks back at it, or building up momentum to run up the walls, or parkouring on its body.
though maybe in a second phase it could grow some spikes on parts of its body to try and stop you running up
hasty plume
on the note of arena battles there was this other idea I had for some sorta tree...
they did this
in like the first area
still epoch
Yea climbing up a big structure to get to the hit point
hasty plume
I dont remember its name
cunning echo
Asura
cunning echo
They asked for the name 😭
zinc spear
I get the comparison but it's different execution
still epoch
I am talking to cooker
zinc spear
plus you can attack asura on its feet iirc
hasty plume
I dont think u can
zinc spear
nah you cyloop the feet, then attack it
that's how you can also get an extra cyber-gear
still epoch
Imagine asura but you cant climb up its body
You have to like
Find a tower
Get close
And jump on top of it
zinc spear
Y'know what doesn't matter. With asura it's pretty automated and it doesn't even really attack you nor is the following phase really that engaging
still epoch
Exactly
This is why the crab is a better example
It moves around
In the open zone
And you gotta chase it
Get to a building or something
Wyvern you have to stay on a set path
You climb the one tower
And wait for it
For a more dynamic boss fight that Nickholas is talking about, the boss would be moving, fighting you with projectiles and stuff
And you would have to find a way to climb up, by using the open zone
sick bobcat
can we get like, optional rival bosses you find in the open zone
still epoch
Yes of course
modest parcel
A building to climb up
See this is what I was hoping the Titan focus of Frontiers was going to end up being
Where it's just dozens of
Shadow of the Collosus boss battles
modest parcel
Evasive enemies in an area, you gotta find a way to get to them and fight them
modest parcel
I have to play that game lmao
You should, it's pretty short
still epoch
I should yea
modest parcel
It's not the same appeal as Sonic but like
still epoch
It is fucking ugly now tho lmao
modest parcel
Noooooo not on ps2!
still epoch
What
Mixed signals there
I mean sure ill do it lmao
It is just a little ugly nowdays it runs so bad
wise chasm
I dunno, the Bluepoint remake looked gorgeous
modest parcel
I never played the bluepoint remake so idk
still epoch
I know it is quite beautiful
modest parcel
I don't trust remakes of PS2 era games ig
wise chasm
modest parcel
Part of it is appreciating it as a part of the era it came out in imo
Nowadays cinematic games are all over the place
Partly because of that game
Also wrt squid, I just realized that I'd have a lot more fun fighting it if it actually behaved like an enemy running away through the open zone
wise chasm
I don't trust remakes of PS2 era games ig
From what I know, the remake is pretty faithful to the original, down to how it plays
zinc spear
I think the SOC remake does a fair good job of maintaining the spirit of the original
wise chasm
Bluepoint were kinda known for doing these kinds of remakes
zinc spear
plus adding some easter eggs and one reeeeally cool bit of extra content surrounding a theory on the game
there's a neat video about all this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQNeYbBiCKw
zinc spear
Evasive enemies in an area, you gotta find a way to get to them and fight them
Anyway I think that Frontiers 2 ought to have more of this kinda stuff. Using and manipulating the environment around you to get to the enemy (extra points for using it against them for damage too)
still epoch
Yessss
modest parcel
there's a neat video about all this too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQNeYbBi...
Part of this makes me glad datamining exists, because good grief 😭
It's ironic bc playing Silksong and Hollow Knight a few months ago reminded me of my childhood desires for games to just
Have areas just out of reach to discover at later points
But if you have to go to that effort to discover it idk
I remember Burnout's Paradise City had a bridge across an ocean I was always curious about, but was inaccessible because of the barracades
Then I found out the game had DLC, and it unlocked the island on the other side
Huge dopamine rush just finding what was on the other side after all that time lol
leaden acorn
can we get like, optional rival bosses you find in the open zone
After CrossWorlds. It would seem like the biggest waste of potential to not have the other characters in the main games again. Even for side content.
sick bobcat
After CrossWorlds. It would seem like the biggest waste of potential to not have...
no doubt we will see the other characters in the main games again
how many will show up depends on the scope and what kind of story Sonic Team wants to tell
cunning echo
I don't trust remakes of PS2 era games ig
Tbh is more like a remaster
Think like metal gear solid delta
coarse ferry
After CrossWorlds. It would seem like the biggest waste of potential to not have...
Main series is a massive gamble over how they'll do so
leaden acorn
no doubt we will see the other characters in the main games again
how many will ...
They can always have a form of hub hangout where you can meet the others. Many of them can have little to no reason for their inclusion. Like Big.
cyan kettle
Guys, is the Sonic City account the same as Sonic Hotspot?
I have images that I believe show Sonic City copying Sonic Hotspot posts for news coverage
stiff salmon
well tbf sonicity did spread misinfo that miku wasn't voiced
its all purely fan speculation so i prefer that you stay away from them and just follow official news websites such as tails channel or sonic stadium
cyan kettle
And they register the news in their own name without giving the source
I just noticed this. Just look at the time of the Sonic City and Sonic Hotspot news posts
still epoch
coarse ferry
He's 100% fucked if he even considered
still epoch
I love the leaps in logic
A billboard of tga and a thinking emoji means
This account will have sonic frontiers 2 leaked soon
i cant with this
autumn yacht
safe hull
I'm sure Sonic Hotspot will leak the Sonic Frontiers 2 trailer soon
We just got Crossworlds 💀
stiff salmon
https://x.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1975130977522553106?t=RM4enp6VLR0cFldcc2QxKQ&...
there's no shot right
past matrix
I'm sure Sonic Hotspot will leak the Sonic Frontiers 2 trailer soon
That's a hell of an conclusion
lunar trench
Sonic has been at tga for thr past few years so yeah he'll prolly be there
That like someone saying "yeah maybe it'll rain soon" because there are clouds on the horizon like yeah no shit sherlock
wise chasm
It'd be funny if he wasn't there this year tho
raw osprey
https://x.com/Sonic_Hotspot/status/1975130977522553106?t=RM4enp6VLR0cFldcc2QxKQ&...
im crying what even is this'
fallen tendon
We just got Crossworlds 💀
They announced SRCW just 3-4 months after SXSG was released
hasty plume
I hope not
its only been 3 years since frontiers
give em more time
modest parcel
If pink haired lady is any indication, they’ve been cooking longer than that
Tori, sorry
hasty plume
pink haired lady we knew about before frontiers
modest parcel
Force of habit
hasty plume
so that doesn't really change anything
modest parcel
pink haired lady we knew about before frontiers
Before release yeah
coarse ferry
I don't think the development time will be longer as expected, but I expected it being far more polished compared to Frontiers 1
ember junco
They announced SRCW just 3-4 months after SXSG was released
Not even 3-4 months
Shadow Gens was released the tail end of October and the TGA 2024 was mid December
Like that’s practically like a month and 1/2 between the 2
fallen tendon
And there were 60 people at the time, now there are more than 400 people working on the Sonic team.
sick bobcat
I hope not
its only been 3 years since frontiers
give em more time
Shadow Gens released 2 years after Frontiers and that's one of their most polished titles with high quality animations. (in my opinion)
Next mainline game could release late next year or 2027, either one will have enough dev time.
still epoch
Also we need to point out that frontiers 2 development could be way less troublesome and aimless
Which would help significantly the time
sick bobcat
yeah, they already have the framework
prime hearth
reckon that unless there's another surprise spinoff by another team we're due the next mainline next year, yea
I think if we're talking dev time-wise it's less a question of "has core sonic team had enough time to work on it" and moreso "it simply hasn't been long enough for the spinoff teams that did superstars/shadow gens/crossworlds to have cooked up a new game since those games released" lol
wheat kindle
Frontiers 2 is cancelled, be ready to buy Sonic at the Winter Olympic Games 2026, set to be in Italy without Mario
prime hearth
arzest would be the closest to the finish line with a superstars followup but even then, I can't see that happening before a new mainline
raw osprey
I think if we're talking dev time-wise it's less a question of "has core sonic t...
i mean nothing stopped sega to request another team do a sonic game like in 2021-2022
i think in general they probably greenlit a lot of sonic games every year
stiff salmon
I think if we're talking dev time-wise it's less a question of "has core sonic t...
COVID did buy them alot of time
raw osprey
but considering what iizuka said i think rumors of heroes remake are officialy dead atp
so i do wonder whats next year title would be
silent haven
personally still thinking it’ll be an off-year and we get a hd port/collection at best
stiff salmon
personally still thinking it’ll be an off-year and we get a hd port/collection a...
doubt it
next year's 35th anniversary
silent haven
yeah and we haven’t had an anniversary game release in the anniversary year since generations
silent haven
that too
wise chasm
I could see 2026 being a more quiet year in terms of releases because Crossworlds
raw osprey
doubt it
they can still have anniversary and release like only one game
they did it in 2016 and 2021
wise chasm
2027 would make more sense for the mainline
wheat kindle
2027 would make more sense for the mainline
they may want to have the new game ready and out before the new movies though, it could be february 2027 though maybe
stiff salmon
they may want to have the new game ready and out before the new movies though, i...
^^
this is exactly what im feeling
shadow gens had that movie DLC tie in
hybrid hill
they may want to have the new game ready and out before the new movies though, i...
we are not getting a sonic game in February bro 😭😭
stiff salmon
if it releases late 2026 they basically have a slam dunk if they do movie DLC
wheat kindle
it makes sense if it's ready in fall 2026 for release, if it's not I would release before the movie still
raw osprey
they may want to have the new game ready and out before the new movies though, i...
i dont think its that important to them
frontiers 2 is gonna release in novermber and movie is coming out in march
its gonna be 2022 all over again
stiff salmon
i dont think its that important to them
frontiers 2 is gonna release in novermbe...
feeling its going to be late september-october
hybrid hill
Sonic games only come out at the end of year btw
stiff salmon
SEGA's typicially staying away from november now for some reason
wheat kindle
i dont think its that important to them
frontiers 2 is gonna release in novermbe...
I know, it's more so Shadow Gens, but it depends on WHAT they have ready before the movie
raw osprey
plus yea they not gonna put mainline game in february
they want this shit to make moneya nd sonci is selling the best in november and december
wheat kindle
plus yea they not gonna put mainline game in february
I'm betting on fall 2026 if it's finished
stiff salmon
plus yea they not gonna put mainline game in february
and we've literally seen that before with shadow gens, they are not releasing that shit for a while
hybrid hill
plus yea they not gonna put mainline game in february
they gonna drop update 1 for the next mainline game 😭💀
anyways
wheat kindle
also they always have a yearly release around September - November, it depends on what is ready, but also going off the anniversary that happens next year... Frontiers 2...
hybrid hill
since the movie is coming out in early 2027
stiff salmon
also they always have a yearly release around September - November, it depends o...
its going to be frontiers 2
hybrid hill
they definitely will have a game to promote with a late 2026 release
stiff salmon
they definitely will have a game to promote with a late 2026 release
yeah, and i dont see a collection to do that sort of thing
hybrid hill
Who is the guy from Sonic Crossworlds
ember junco
they definitely will have a game to promote with a late 2026 release
And it’s gonna be a Heroes remake 😀😀😀
stiff salmon
and considering iizuka's comments about ports and remasters: heroes remake isnt happening
ember junco
And it’s gonna be a Heroes remake 😀😀😀
Trust guys the Heroes remake is next year for sure
stiff salmon
but; it will be frontiers 2 at TGA this year, then ad cycle begins in february
ember junco
They gotta introduce Neo Metal to the masses before the movie
hybrid hill
If they drop a Heroes Remake next year, I will delete the server! 😀
stiff salmon
but the question is:
would sony have marketing rights for frontiers 2? or would sega just say fuck it and have the rights this time
wheat kindle
Neo Metal resurgence > Metal 3.0. resurgence
stiff salmon
june
im saying february in the case of sony recieving marketing rights for frontiers 2
if not: yeah june LMAO
raw osprey
if they gonna receive them its gonna happen a lot earlier than february
stiff salmon
if they gonna receive them its gonna happen a lot earlier than february
im saying february bc SOP
stiff salmon
and just do the marketing themselves?
honestly: i see it
as long as they dont sabotage by giving it to IGN again
raw osprey
because again sonic was on FEB state of Play only because they announce projects there and then start marketing them in june
but if they gonna announce frontiers 2 at TGA they probably gonna skip SOP
stiff salmon
shit u got a point
but crossworlds was intially teased at TGA and then full reveal at SOP
still epoch
It wasnt ign who did the playthrough
raw osprey
yeah but i think full reveal of something big like frontiers 2 is gonna be reserved on bigger shows
stiff salmon
that was b-roll from 2021
stiff salmon
yeah but i think full reveal of something big like frontiers 2 is gonna be reser...
ur right
actually yeah forget about SOP
still epoch
That b roll was such a mistake
stiff salmon
That b roll was such a mistake
idk who signed off on it but it almost killed the game
still epoch
The shadow gens b roll was a bit more acceptable id say
raw osprey
honestly b rolls of crossworlds was pretty good
coarse ferry
Outside of shadow I’m very interested what they’ll bring after with frontiers for the 2nd one
smoky summit
You say it that like I can just snap (cube) my finger and make the leaks appear
wide portal
I’m sure 4chan tries it’s just that nobody wants to check because it’s fucking 4chan
still epoch
In the frontiers era we got a goldmine
smoky summit
Sonic Rose, Sonic Unlimited, Sonic Horizons, Sonic Rift
Sonic Adventure Remake
We had it all
wide portal
tbf pre-frontiers the franchise was in a very different place
but now we’re getting at least one big game per year with a defined direction so the bullshitting needs to be more coordinated
modest parcel
Fake leakers now that Open Zone, linear 3D, traditional 2D, classic sonic games, mobile apps, apple arcade exclusives, netflix rumors, previous title remake rumors, and sports games are all potential candidates for SEGA's release schedule
smoky summit
In limbo?
raw ether
Probably gonna be non-canon much like how Prime was non-canon
dusty osprey
Probably gonna be non-canon much like how Prime was non-canon
this is bait
forest fractal
Chao Guardians WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?!
dusty osprey
Chao Guardians WHERE ARE YOUUUUU?!
Whereever chasing shadows is
plush moth
https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-story-mode-story-mode-mcsm-choice-minecraft-sto...
movie tie in….listen to your heart…you know it’s the right paaath…..
humble drum
anniversary game
sonic 4 episode 3
raw ether
in your dreams
rugged edge
Question.
Since SEGA got the Olympics back
Are we getting a new Olympic game
Because everyone keeps saying “without Mario”
forest fractal
Merchandising and advertising
cunning echo
Then what was the whole point?…
Is merch