Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation

[still epoch]

Fucking pace breaker

[pearl cradle]

In Sonic games, the physics are always present as slopes control your speed and jump angle.

and non-Sonic fans don't like that

[zinc spear]

Depending on the implementation and the way they teach the system it could easily appeal to the main audience

[still epoch]

I will say that frontiers success was being very approachable by anyone

[zinc spear]

When you consider how much more sonic team has become considerate of making sure non sonic fans can pick up the gameplay, theres no reason they can't make it work generally speaking.

[still epoch]

If they go too much on the fangame route of physics platformer they could REALLY fuck up

[zinc spear]

Classic sonic games couldn't exactly teach you as directly as a modern game could

[still epoch]

People arent willing to learn ball physics like that, unless optional

[pearl cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vtjfreRnM&t=123

[still epoch]

I know cuz I wasnt willing to master Penny Bigs Breakaway cuz it got tedious when i just wanted to play a simple platformer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4vtjfreRnM&t=123

Oh.

[zinc spear]

Really dont think a classic style games reception bears much weight on how things would be executed or recieved with how a modern game would do it.

The world design alone changes the way you interact with the gameplay a TON

[pearl cradle]

I think casual player would hate it more since it's a 3D game so it's already more difficult.

[still epoch]

Agreed…

[zinc spear]

Still to say its impossible to do it in a way that can appeal to non sonic fans is, insanity.

Plus this is also assuming that sonic team of today would utilise the physics exactly in the same way that they did 30 years ago.

[still epoch]

Not that it is impossible

But i personally dont see why would they risk it to make it a physics platformer

When they can just do frontiers but better

[zinc spear]

Not to mention gaming as a whole has come so far in making sure things are more accessible and assisting where players may fall short.

[still epoch]

Same run button and all

[pearl cradle]

I think it would be smart if they replaced the boost with a dash that has iframes

[zinc spear]

Final horizon at the least is indicative of how they want to approach things in this next title

[pearl cradle]

Final horizon level design but with actual environment art would be ideal imo.

I hope the fan reception won't discourage Sonic Team from going in that direction.

[zinc spear]

Well its more of a testing ground, gauging feedback is part of the point

Would be very surprised if they switch things up all of a sudden on us (which feels weird to say)

[pearl cradle]

That level design was far from perfect but I still found it really fun

and I just want Sonic Team to improve upon it instead of ditching it for something more automated

[still epoch]

Oh they are absolutely gonna make the next game far far less automated im sure

3D platforming is gonna be The thing

For sure

[wise chasm]

I only hope they don't completely abolish the RPG elements

[still epoch]

I hope as well

I want them to double down on it

[toxic vapor]

Actually completely false

I playtested Horizons with some IRL friends and they had an easier time with learning the physics and new control set then the boost fans we got to test

General gamers prefer more complex movesets in more open environments to experiment. Mario 64 is way more culturally relevant even now compared to 3D World

[pearl cradle]

Mario 64 has a really low skill floor tho

[toxic vapor]

So both of yall are really wrong when you look at actual focus testing

[toxic vapor]

Well I’ve designed for physics based fangame and got testers for it

[pearl cradle]

3D Sonic's is way higher since it requires you to move quickly

[toxic vapor]

My non Sonic fan friends who don’t play much platformers had less issues adapting to moveset after a few playthroughs than some of the Unleashed/Gens speedrunners

A more robust moveset means players wanna explore and get better

[still epoch]

Yep

[toxic vapor]

Did you just air that whole response Henry?

[pearl cradle]

boost gameplay is obviously way more difficult than adventure gameplay but open zone gameplay is easier than both of them because it features very little bottomless pits compared to both of them.

The controls are also way more similar to how all the other open world game handle movement.

[toxic vapor]

Yeah cool but go back to the part where some of the bigger Sonic fans had a harder job adapting to physics gameplay than the non Sonic fans Sega is trying to target

I feel like yall are using fear of the general public being dumb as an excuse to justify Sonic Team’s refusal to push Sonic out of the automated comfort zone

[zinc spear]

I do think the structure does matter when talking about this kinda stuff too. By virtue of being open world you can take things at whatever pace you want

Hence you can also learn the game inside out, at whatever pace you want

[pearl cradle]

Have you seen non-Sonic fans play Sonic games? They always manage to fail in ways I never thought would be possible lol

[lunar trench]

Yeah because that's the subject of the discussion (haiiii)

[wise chasm]

I think it's more of a mentality thing

[zinc spear]

Don't really think its casual gamers fault though ngl

[pearl cradle]

Most people don't expect Sonic games to be this unique with their movement. They think Sonic is just fast Mario with cool spectacle

[wise chasm]

You have your own set of playtesters showing data, but there's still multiple cases when the normal people just struggle to understand even 2D games

[toxic vapor]

Yeah but it’s a simple as rewarding the bottom pathers with a cool little rail spectacle set piece with a camera angle to go “woahhh”

[zinc spear]

So its more of a marketing/teaching thing therefore.

[wise chasm]

Like, every once in a while I do see people on resetera making topics going "I don't understand Sonic"

[toxic vapor]

Ngl the term “bottom pathers” sounds like a slur for bad Sonic players lmaooo

[pearl cradle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/sonic-jumps-wrong.71000/

[still epoch]

The physics usage of those games was mentioned white knight

[zinc spear]

Sonic was marketed as exactly that, fast cooler mario.

[still epoch]

Hellow

[lunar trench]

We're talking about how good the physics are tho, hater

[zinc spear]

Physics aren't the problem at all. Again plenty of games execute them in such a way where players can grasp them no matter the skill ceiling. Hell even mobile games

[pearl cradle]

that's why open zone works so well. The bottom path is just the grassy ground.

[wise chasm]

bro had that link prepared lmao goddamn

[toxic vapor]

And that’s fine

[pearl cradle]

It doesn't even feel like you failed

[toxic vapor]

I’m gonna be so forreal not every franchise should appeal to everyone

[zinc spear]

Like what's the one ball game where you roll down slopes to get higher?

Or angry birds

[still epoch]

EXACTLY they are good, but when they are a pace breaker, it doesnt matter, which applies to sonic

They could make physics required to play a sonic game

And that would be a horrific idea

[zinc spear]

Physics are complicated when you have to think about them but everyone to some degree understands them.

[pearl cradle]

I agree but I don't think Sega Sammy would agree. At least when it comes to Sonic.

[toxic vapor]

Guy who’s only played Halo 3 as a FPS gets mad that Titanfall 2 has a sprint and other fast movement tech

Sonic appeals to a lot of people but he won’t appeal to everyone

[zinc spear]

Thats just a basic fact, every person grasps them. So its a matter of making physics in the game like second nature

[wise chasm]

That's a rough example, considering which one is still alive and which one isn't

[still epoch]

So unlike ANY fangame so far

[toxic vapor]

Going “but the chart says” to any “Why Sonic is flawed game design” won’t push the series further in a better direction

[toxic vapor]

Which one?

[wise chasm]

I get it, but in that context it hurts a bit

[pearl cradle]

Sonic is already very popular so it's hard to make him niche without making a lot of people angry in the process.

[still epoch]

Eeexactly

[toxic vapor]

No?

How will giving him more movement options make him more niche?

[still epoch]

You gotta really make it something second nature which any physics fangame horribly fails at

[zinc spear]

I mean theres some subsection of people that are already angry with each new entry anyway

[wise chasm]

Halo, for what it's worth, is still a thing being invested in, Titanfall isn't

it got replaced by Apex essentially, which is its own thing entirely

[still epoch]

If anyone brings sonic utopia as user friendly, i will laugh

[zinc spear]

Its something that proper professional game developers can do for sure.

[toxic vapor]

It feels like Henry has selective memory with the way they ignored an entire segment of the conversation to make there point work

[zinc spear]

Not to say fan game devs cant ofc.

[still epoch]

I wouldnt give them too much credit tbh… or actually put on the effort and Risk to do it

[toxic vapor]

The view of 3D Sonic fangames in this server are only GT and Utopia

[pearl cradle]

Deep gameplay scares away casual players lol. That's why Souls games are more popular than action games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden.

[zinc spear]

They've experimented with it before, they have other games as a frame of reference

Actually side question, how would we say sonic team is at tutorialisation?

[toxic vapor]

Alright

[wise chasm]

See now you're being funny by saying Souls is a "casual" series

[still epoch]

Good ig,

[toxic vapor]

Gameplay dense

[grand cobalt]

frontiers battered the player over the head with tutorials in the first 30 minutes of the game in the most unappealing way imagine but

you can’t say it didn’t work

[zinc spear]

As of recent it gets the job done. People more or less understand what's going on

[prime hearth]

only bad sonic tutorial I can think of in recent years is doom morph in shadow gens

[toxic vapor]

Ngl I do wanna get Davih’s reaction to a boostless Frontiers 2

[wise chasm]

Anyway I hope they make a good videogame, momentum-heavy/boost-less or not

[prime hearth]

completely nonsense tutorial boxes that don't make sense until you actually get more hands-on experience with the thing

[zinc spear]

Physics are not that deep. Anyone could grasp it if its communicated in the right way

Again everyone to some degree inherently understands them

[toxic vapor]

I got a solution, make the game momentum rolling based then

It makes the people who like all fun Sonic media happy

And it makes the people who care for that stuff happy as well

Win win

[wise chasm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pearl cradle]

Sonic's physics are intuitive but the problem is that no other game has physics like those and most people don't expect that out of Sonic.

[wise chasm]

Wherever they go I won't really care

as long as it's not Lost World

or Boom

[zinc spear]

Well the game and its marketing had better do a good job of making people expect it.

[prime hearth]

very willing to bet that as with most "why have the devs not done this, are they stupid!!" things: they have probably tried it internally/with closed tests and it didn't pan out how they liked, so they didn't make the cut

[toxic vapor]

I just really don’t get these arguments because the most popular Mario games are the ones with the least basic movesets

Aka Odyssey, 64

Open zone = just dicking around so it’s a net positive if you design a world around it like

[zinc spear]

Mind you frontiers went through multiple different tests and whatnot right?

[toxic vapor]

Yes but from all the information, older Frontiers had almost no real platforming and mostly focused on combat

Spindash was in old builds but it was most likely a boost that hurt enemies so playtesters only used it

[wise chasm]

Not to be pedantic, but the most popular Mario game is Mario Kart 8

[pearl cradle]

It could work but I think most players would be weirded out by the unique movement physics.

[zinc spear]

True but in terms of mainline stuff everyone knows 64

[zinc spear]

Maybe at first but that is what the first area is for.

Could do a little great plateau esc kinda thing to get players used to it. Expand the training room concept from frontiers to include a mini playground that lets people experiment

[toxic vapor]

I feel like I can’t engage in a conversation when things I’ve established haven’t been engaged with properly

[wise chasm]

It won't matter as long as you give enough leeway for people to learn

[pearl cradle]

I'm sorry if I ignored your points. I didn't mean to do that.

[zinc spear]

Plus the open world is there TO play around in. It is a playground

[toxic vapor]

Nah it’s not that deep it’s just a Sonic convo

You’re fine

[zinc spear]

Next game maybe they would benefit from emphasising that, and the freedom at your disposal

[wise chasm]

Like, as much as I go against the point of "this way is the only way a game can work", I think I'm getting a bit tired of active mental gymnastics that somehow try to disprove a gameplay style based on no real tangible statistical data and is mostly based on anecdotal experiences

[toxic vapor]

For my next play test I’ll try to apply an actual structured data of different groups of players and present it at some point

[still epoch]

I just want a good game :)

[pearl cradle]

I wonder how much an average player would be willing to learn how to play a physics-based Sonic game

[prime hearth]

think it depends how they integrate it tbh - if it's something that's moreso a bonus alongside whatever else you're doing then grand, if it's the fangame approach of "please physics right in exactly one way to progress" we're in trouble

[still epoch]

Exactly how i feel about it

[pearl cradle]

I think the open zone would soften the blow a bit

[prime hearth]

should be a low skill ceiling with room to do some insane silly skips and things with if you git gud, rather than the "you need to master this or you're fucked" approach

(ofc you can have challenge modes that really put you to the test a-la the final horizon towers, but as optional postgame - you shouldn't need that to roll credits)

[wise chasm]

I think towers were fine in that DLC

[pearl cradle]

Yeah that would definitely work since that's how most Mario games handle their difficulty.

[pearl cradle]

They aren't very hard but I don't think most Sonic fans were prepared since the base game never approaches that level of difficulty

[prime hearth]

I remember em being bastardy enough for me to need to bung on easy mode, granted that was years back when the dlc dropped proper

and yeah, it also didn't help we didn't know it was a "hard mode" until the day it actually dropped and we all booted it up lmao

[wise chasm]

That and also most people didn't play the game throughout the year

[prime hearth]

walking within ten metres of a miniboss and it immediately nuking you from orbit is the funniest fuckin thing of all time

[still epoch]

It was very funny yes

[prime hearth]

the king koco challenge....... 'nam flashbacks........

[wise chasm]

But yeah, if this skill check was there at launch, I don't think people would've disliked those towers as much

But instead it was just "collect hearts again, there's no real difficulty increase"

[toxic vapor]

Imma eep

[prime hearth]

honestly reckon simply swapping the last two islands around would've done the game structure a world of good lol

structurally frontiers is very much the exact same loop three times in a row, then the towers..... then back to the exact same loop again, its v samey and the one thing I def need the next game to really work on

[zinc spear]

Would've probably benefitted from some more unexpected encounters too imo

Break things up a bit. Like why didnt we get fights with sage?

[scarlet ether]

I was just curious 😭

[grand cobalt]

clearly

[scarlet ether]

[silent haven]

1984

[cunning echo]

😭

[pulsar horizon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Legoleak/comments/1lwkd45/sonic_77117_sonics_car_and_77118_silvers_car_vs/

[coarse ferry]

Silver's car vs. Knuckles's monster truck

Damn that's OD LMAO

[plush moth]

yea I love silver but bro is getting fucking flattened😭

[coarse ferry]

First metal sonic and now silver

Damn SEGA I see how it is

[untold kayak]

😭

[modest parcel]

Wait HOLD UP

SILVER MINIFIG OOOOO

[pulsar horizon]

It’s price per piece soooo

[plush moth]

like each singular Lego brick?

[pulsar horizon]

Ye

[turbid oasis]

Nah my goat Silver got that

[pulsar horizon]

They’re like… 0.05 to 0.10 a piece depending on said piece

But they probably went up due to inflation but I’m not sure

[plush moth]

Oh alr

[prime hearth]

damn, hope that's not the entire wave cos thats kiiiiinda light on sets lol

[modest parcel]

I mean

At this point the brand has kind of exhausted all of it's go-to set ideas

The main cast + the main gimmicks

The fact that it's still trucking on with minor set appearances is good news imo, it means they're keeping the line alive in spite of not having an immediate gameplan to go all-in on a major wave yet

[silent haven]

where’s the damn chaotix office set 💔

[pulsar horizon]

As far as I can tell it is unfortunately

[cunning echo]

Year of silver

[humble drum]

monster truck vs sports car guess who's winning

I know it's actually relevant this time but it's funny that knuckles continues to get vehicles

mech
hoverboard
monster truck

what's next?

ufo?

submarine?

pogo stick?

[dense snow]

My money’s on the submarine

[lunar trench]

So no extreme gear ? Smh

[dry zinc]

This was posted in Sam's server. Some person is leaking the Phantom Rider outfit on Reddit

Phantom Rider!! In Crossworlds!!!

Oh my god Whisper might have a chance after all

[wide portal]

don’t mean to rain on your parade stix, but this looks pretty fake

[dry zinc]

How? The first and third image looks a bit rough, but the second image I can not imagine someone being able to fake. Those are Crossworlds animations.

[wide portal]

the phantom rider pose specifically looks too blurry, a tv screenshot is one thing but it wouldn’t be impossible to just paint over a poor quality screenshot

[lunar trench]

The lighting feels off too

[dawn pumice]

These look really off

[lunar trench]

Esp on the first screen

[dawn pumice]

First one looks very static

With the cape especially

Doesn’t look like it flows right?

[dry zinc]

It could just be an early build. The lighting looks really off for the older spongebob videos too.

[untold kayak]

I think it is fake

phantom rider has his scarf at all moments

in two of these screenshots, the phantom rider doesn't have the scarf

[dry zinc]

It could just be that the scarf is hanging down behind him in the seat.

[untold kayak]

it's holographic

it disappears with the helmet

[wide portal]

that first one gives the game away

[forest fractal]

Unfortunately IDW characters ain’t escaping from the gacha hell

[wide portal]

we know that the alternate outfits for the characters aren’t skins because super sonic and werehog are separate characters

[dawn pumice]

Ya that’s 100% fake

[wide portal]

😭

[dawn pumice]

He would’ve had the exact same animations but there’s a lot of weird fixes

[wide portal]

why is sonic’s posture better in the fake painted over version than it is in the actual screenshot

[dawn pumice]

Also ya this is definitely painted as well

Lighting doesn’t work at all on the rider

[wide portal]

This is actually the second time this has happened with the sonic reddit, a Crossworlds screenshot, and IDW’s clean sweepstakes

which isn’t a lot but I’m getting my second nickel anyway

[rugged edge]

Looks like the sss model

[wide portal]

that’s another possibility, somebody grabbing a different frame than the one fiery screenshotted and posing the model on top of it

[forest fractal]

Hope there’s a third fake coming

[wide portal]

a doctored screenshot of Zeena

[dawn pumice]

If they only posted this image, THEN I could’ve believed it had a chance of being real

[wide portal]

I’d still doubt it immensely

The account it came from is blank

Nothing except these three pictures

[dawn pumice]

It’s 100% fake nothing really convincing about it

The only leak I actually believe is the giganto car leak

[dry zinc]

I still believe in this leak because of the second picture. That does not look faked to me at all. He is in the car holding the steering wheel.

[dawn pumice]

||aka, posted pics of Omega in the giganto car, photos of radical highway before it even got announced, and said classic sonic and whisper are in the game cuz Sega makes the vehicles and cars before the characters||

But why is the back half and the rider blurry but the glove isn’t?

[dry zinc]

I'm not sure what you mean. All of the image is blurry.

[dawn pumice]

The glove is not as blurry as the backend of the car

It just looks like they intentionally made it that way so they can obscure the details of the model to make it look as realistic as possible

[dry zinc]

I do not think so. It looks like low bitrate screenshots of a video.

[lunar trench]

This makes it a bit more evident

Esp with how fresnel works here

[dawn pumice]

Good find

[sick bobcat]

I hope this is real

[rugged otter]

I think the thing that bothers me is how this suit is lacking in shine
like if they actually put the costume in, I'd expect it to look more polished

[grand cobalt]

fake leaks with effort

https://tenor.com/view/the-thing-thing-marvel-fantastic-four-fantastic-four-first-steps-gif-12898936790859772052

[sick bobcat]

im gonna be sad if this is fake :(
a Phantom Rider outfit is perfect for this game

[rugged otter]

ok well here's the thing

[lunar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[rugged otter]

I'd love the Phantom Rider outfit too
though also I'd need the Riders outfit in general

[dry zinc]

I believe it may be an early version of the model. The Spongebob leaks looked fake too with how low quality all of the models looked.

[lunar trench]

I mean, we can't stop you to believe

[dawn pumice]

I like how we are ignoring the giganto car leak that basically confirmed whisper was in

[grand cobalt]

fiery what fucking giganto car leak

[wide portal]

the whole thing that happened back in like, May and June

it was associated with the spongebob stuff

[dry zinc]

I am ignoring that leak because I think that those images came from the large document leak.

[grand cobalt]

the document?

[dawn pumice]

Someone on 4chan posted omega in the giganto car, as well as like multiple images of radical highway before it even got showed off

[rugged otter]

I'm excited af about her making it in

[wide portal]

yeah that too

[dawn pumice]

And they mentioned they make vehicles before the characters and name dropped Classic Sonic and Whisper

[grand cobalt]

oh ok

[lunar trench]

I really hope she has voice acting

[dawn pumice]

Imma see if I still have the image

[grand cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/gon-killua-chill-hand-on-shoulder-hxh-gif-9138073673681565991

[wide portal]

let’s be real we all know she won’t 😭

[lunar trench]

SHUT UPPPP

[wide portal]

living up to the name tho

[lunar trench]

ikkkkkkkk

[rugged otter]

I want it to be so but i know how it's gonna be..

but hey at least that's on obstalce outta the way for characters! lack of voice is not a problem!

man i wish

[dry zinc]

The leaker who posted the whole document said that it has been in circulation for some time and that people were using it to look more credible and that they only guessed Whisper being in because of the image of her board. So I do not trust the other leak about Classic Sonic and her.

[rugged otter]

Classic I can definitely see making it in for better or worse
though I would be more on board if he came with the Drift car

[still epoch]

Im sorry, but thats definitely fake

I would believe more if it was footage

[rugged otter]

with how mad talented some folks are something like this is really not enough yeah

[dawn pumice]

But the guy had omega in the giganto car and radical highway

A good chunk of us had that document as well and we found no such images 😭

[wide portal]

Classic and Whisper was co-obberated by the omega person

[still epoch]

Like i know it would be something cool, that you would like Stix, but that could be easily edited

Look how blurry it is

[rugged otter]

stix... sticks... they should add Sticks..

[still epoch]

Cue sticker

[dusty osprey]

I really dont think whisper showing up

[wide portal]

The more I think about the first screenshot the less credible it becomes

[grand cobalt]

oh yeah sticks is still stuck in boom purgatory

[dusty osprey]

But it is what it is atp

[silent haven]

90% of the world does not even know the phantom rider exists because IDW’s localisation has been slow as fuck

[dusty osprey]

Sticks would be cool

But she stuck in time out i guess

[dry zinc]

It is 10 gigabytes. I think you missed something. One of the picture of the Blue Spongebob car came from the document. I saw it on Reddit.

[wide portal]

tbf that hasn’t stopped sonic team before

But yeah I’d say phantom rider is a no go for immediate major game stuff

[rugged otter]

we gotta free her
maybe we could get d-fekt along the way if I feel like it

[grand cobalt]

actually wait

what the fuck

[dry zinc]

I will go find the document and look for myself.

[grand cobalt]

no she isn’t she was in the Olympics titles with the other modern characters

[rugged otter]

true

[dawn pumice]

[rugged otter]

though to sega now she may as well be boom

[dawn pumice]

We scoured that whole document

[grand cobalt]

man

it’s kinda sad how much they pushed boom as this third pillar

[silent haven]

frontiers credits scene tho!!!!!

sticks fans stay winning!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/poor-mickey-mouse-hungry-stingy-bread-gif-9574980

[rugged otter]

this is kinda hilarious but a bit sad now in retrospect

[dry zinc]

I know I saw the car with other ones in a reddit post a while ago. I will find it or the document.

[grand cobalt]

pours boiling hot coffee into your eyelids

[rugged otter]

please sega just add her to the rest of the group and pretend like nothing changed c'mon

[dawn pumice]

The car one was in there

Not the radical highway or the giganto car one

[dry zinc]

If the car was there, the other pictures must have come from it too. I do not believe any of the old leakers anymore.

[still epoch]

And you believe this blurry image of a render plastered onto sonic?

[hasty plume]

bro its fake as hell

the idw chars aren't coming to the games

[still epoch]

Tangle and Whisper might

[rugged otter]

man just gimme a leak of one of them in a race I really need to see it

[wide portal]

LETS GO GAMBLING

CENTRAL BEFORE OCTOBER WITH T&W DLC + REMAINING BATTLE PASS REVEAL WITH DC AND MEGA MAN, BIG MONEY BIG MONEY

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

[still epoch]

You mean gamescom

[dawn pumice]

Gamble time?

[dawn pumice]

Central before Gamescom with a sneak peek of the sonic crossworlds animation, showing off 3 new free update characters, the last 2 dlc (aka DC and Transformers) with teases of 35th stuff as well, including the return of the symphony, some collabs, and a party announcement

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-a-twelve-twelve-dice-roll-gif-26906738

[rugged otter]

idk what to gamble
but I hope the last paid DLC collabs are exciting

[wide portal]

“before October” is more broad, which makes me more likely to hit my target

https://tenor.com/view/hm-hmm-hmmm-black-guy-gif-12687265

[past matrix]

That fake ass phantom leak

What sold me on it is the fact that the model doesn’t adhere to the chunky limbs modern Sonic models have and keep in crossworlds as is.

Along with costumes seemingly not being a thing atm, as far as my knowledge goes.

That and there’s no rim lighting

[plush moth]

fake ass leak

[grand cobalt]

notice how he says this once everyone else said it

[past matrix]

In all fairness.

I just now only saw it because I just came into the server for the day ☝️ 🤓

I assumed the rest of yall could pick up on it anyway; but with the straggler of time that I am, I had to put my two cents in

[hasty plume]

I hold the stance that idw characters will never make it into the games

I feel like yall dont remember how many people ACTUALLY read any given issue of a comic book in general
its not huge all things accounted for

[plush moth]

I WAS BUSY PLAYING RUSH

fuck water palace btw

[past matrix]

If we have an actual population/location(s) that has a population and or NPC’s in the next open zone title, I’d certainly like too see of them squeezed in alongside the generic BG model characters.

But I’m never gonna think they’re going to have an HUGE outing.

[hasty plume]

yeah
anything to the equivalent of the mention of tangle in frontiers

I dont think they will EVER be playable or have a big role

[grand cobalt]

I feel like being playable or having a big role is different than just

[rugged otter]

I don't think it's out of the realm for a racing spinoff, this isn't Frontiers 2 or anything that big

[grand cobalt]

being in a game, or being playable in a spin off where stories don’t really matter

[rugged otter]

and with some characters being non-voiced, it makes it likelier since they don't even need to really bother paying for a VA

kinda like with the mobile titles

[past matrix]

That I can agree with

[rugged otter]

speaking of relevance, plenty of people know what Jet is but he's no Shadow nor are his games even easily available to new fans post-movie
atm the one thing outside of mobile titles you can acquire that's officially licensed featuring him or his team are IDW, ironically

I think for a racing game this isn't helpful especially if you wanna better promote characters, otherwise babylon rogues would get nothing in this

[safe kiln]

the posing doesnt even line up

thats what gave it away for me

[wide portal]

this is true of basically most of the major supporting characters

Blaze, Silver, the Chaotix

Cream’s made a bit of a comeback but she’s still amongst that group

[torn trench]

what is this pose supposed to be

[rugged otter]

yeah like, if someone wanted to jump into Cream's first game - or hell, 2nd game, they could only do it 2nd hand because SEGA hasn't re-released these titles
Blaze is just stuck on the DS

[rugged otter]

holding a steering wheel while "holding" and object
oh wow it's even more obvious in this shot because the item itself looks super sharp than the costume 😭

[safe hull]

You can see at the bottom of the item itself that they intentionally tried blurring the bottom half of the photo to make the edit look more seamless 😭

Imma be honest tho Phantom Rider should've been in the game and would've been a cooler preorder bonus

Werehog's cool ig but "that time Sonic was a Werewolf" being the EXCLUSIVE APPEAL to people buying early is kinda lame since there is no official way to play Unleashed unless ya use Xbox. Phantom Rider is more relevant due to IDW still ongoing and the comp. paperback volumes probably caught up to the lil Riders arc by now, right?

[rugged otter]

which again pretty much shows that I don't think SEGA cares what everyone knows or doesn't
like Whisper being in if anything is less shocking than Werehog being a pre-order bonus

[safe hull]

I would like the cool Kamen Rider-esque design over darker furry Sonic

[rugged otter]

wait wait isn't there also a more accesible way to read the comics now too

[safe hull]

AND EVEN THEN PHANTOM RIDER NOT TALKING WOULD ALSO BE MORE THEMATICALLY APPROPRIATE

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING

[rugged otter]

oh yeah they are releasing some issues on webtoon now so there ya go

[wide portal]

webtoon hasn’t gotten passed neo metal yet I think (this is probably intentional)

[safe hull]

SEGA YOU FOOLS I'M GONNA BURST INTO YOUR OFFICES AND BITE YOUR JUGGULARS

[wide portal]

“Vol 19: Extreme Competition” releases this month

(#72-#75)

[wide portal]

Vol 18, which had 69-71, dropped earlier

[dawn pumice]

And I think whisper and tangle are now more well known in Japan now

They’re not even close to phantom rider, let alone surge

[wide portal]

metal virus wrapped in 2023 with the epilogue/aftermath “out of the blue” dropping this year and being promoted at joypolis

[torn trench]

Holy magnifying glass, Batman

[wide portal]

the only characters from IDW who have been introduced are

• tangle
• whisper
• jewel
• rough
• tumble
• dr. starline
• nite and don
• lanolin (via background appearances, but she has not been named yet)
• npcs

for the record this group does not include mimic, who’s debut appearance (the T&W miniseries) has not been translated yet

[rugged otter]

yeah like now they're at a perfect spot where most folks now have the ability to (legaly) get introduced to Whisper and Tangle

[plush moth]

holding air in a imaginary cup by the bottom

[safe kiln]

Got a better photo

[wide portal]

that’s definitely the speed sim model

the knee gives it away

[safe kiln]

Erm actually

That's just me being bad at weight painting

[rugged otter]

weight painting.......

shivers

[wide portal]

oh okay that’s fair

that shits a nightmare

[past matrix]

Anyone break the news to stix?

They were a firm a believer

[rugged edge]

THIS IS FAKE

ITS CONFIRMED BY THE CREATOR WHO MADE IT

ITS FAKE

The creator of it Said

I need this to be known this isnt a leak this is something I made in 10 minutes in blender just want to share it around

[safe kiln]

I did indeed say this

i just realized

i forgot the scarf

[dry zinc]

They are there. Both images are in two separate PowerPoint documents.

[dry zinc]

I will concede that it is easy to create an image like this.

[dawn pumice]

Do u have image proof?

If so then my mistake

[dry zinc]

I am frustrated. All of the leakers said Whisper was in the game because of one picture of the board in the document file. It is so tiring to face the brunt of these fake leaks getting everyone's hopes up for clout. They had some real information and used it to make their fake leaks look real.

I think it is a mistake to say that no one cares about IDW enough for them to get in the games. If nobody cared about IDW, it would not be on the receiving end of such cruel fake leaks constantly. 😞

[dry zinc]

Yes give me one moment.

[past matrix]

I honestly think the best bet? Is just wait until something naturally comes out, or it’s officially or officially not revealed atp.

The game is like..one month away already.

[dry zinc]

This is the source of the Radical Highway image.

This is the source of Omega in the Giganto car.

I trusted the Phantom Rider leak more because it was an image instead of words with a tangentially related image to twist the truth. 😞

If Whisper or anything IDW shows up in the game, I don't want the empty words of leakers, I want to actually see a model.

[dawn pumice]

Well I’ll be damned

[still epoch]

Hmm ok

But here is the thing, i dont think you should have trusted that Phantom Rider thing either way

Just because text is fake doesnt mean the image isnt

Images are just as easy to fake

[dry zinc]

I underestimated the extent someone would go to make a fake leak. It is just cruel to IDW fans to do this.

[still epoch]

Yea you did

It is very easy to do as a costume

Also fake leakers usually do this, its a cool idea or a costume

[dusty osprey]

Someone made fake materials to pretend that like 4 smash characters existed when they didnt

People just like to fuck with people

Gotta watch your sources

[wide portal]

was this the radical highway photo on 4chan? I thought it was something else

[wide portal]

oh it does come out next month doesn’t it 💀

[dry zinc]

It is the exact same image as the one Nova forwarded here a month ago.

[safe kiln]

yeah i threw it together in 10 minutes

[dry zinc]

It is quite impressive

[still epoch]

See? Dont trust images for leaks so quickly

[wide portal]

Ah okay did a backlog search

Whoever had the radical highway screenshot/omega in Giganto photo released them before the SpongeBob folder leaked in full to the public

so while the 4chan leak is still questionable I don’t think it can be dismissed outright

[dry zinc]

I think it can.

Every single picture that "leaker" posted seems to have been a cropped imaged from the documents.

And the person who leaked the full thing said it's been circulating in private for a while. There was a massive wave of leaks in June before this 4chan leak and it was all slides from the document too.

I think it is pretty clear a group of people had access to this document and used it to make fake leaks.

[prime hearth]

going for the middleground with

https://tenor.com/view/avataro-sentai-donbrothers-super-sentai-donbrothers-kijibrother-inubrother-gif-25332146

the lad™

[wide portal]

which circles do you think it would’ve been circulating in before making its way to the masses 😭

[dry zinc]

I can only assume a private Discord server of people. I do not think it is far fatched for a group of people to congregate and spread this file to others.

Eventually someone got it that released it publicly is how I see it.

[torn trench]

Which is why you shouldn't automatically trust random leaks from random people from random places and either wait for a more reputable source or wait until the info gets announced officially and publicly

[dry zinc]

I had thought because it was multiple screenshot pictures that it would be more likely to be true like SpongeBob rather than the empty words that said Tangle and Whisper are DLC.

[dense snow]

this is why you don't trust any leaks involving comic characters

you're only gonna set yourself up for dissapointment

[dry zinc]

At least the board exists, that's the only reason any of this gave me a glimmer of hope.

[wide portal]

except the tangle and whisper stuff was also said by somebody who frequently posted insider stuff regarding sega and the phantom rider screenshots were blurry photoshop jobs

[pulsar horizon]

The only ones I expect are Tangle and Whisper and that’s it

[still epoch]

Pretty much

[torn trench]

Part of why I don't really like leak culture to this extent cuz it's full of people who parade images and screenshots around acting like they're real or just saying that they are to get a fake rise out of people

[dry zinc]

Unless I see an actual picture of their models in game AND with video footage, I will not trust them.

[lunar trench]

Fr

[torn trench]

The one time I instantly knew something like this was fake was when this artist mutual Dan drew a fake screenshot of a Sonic anime and the only reason why I knew it was fake was because I knew his art style

And cuz the person who showed me likes to lie

[autumn yacht]

white and purple lettuce?

[toxic vapor]

Frontiers 2 leaks when?

[wide portal]

they already exist we just need the vague CG trailer to give us enough foreshadowing to go back and put the pieces together from older leaks

[untold kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

Those fake leaks are spreading on my TL

😭

[coarse ferry]

Mine isn't t hankfully

I am just seeing fanarts (bless you P3 lmao)

[torn trench]

I just got up to this part of the show I'm gonna kms😭

[lunar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-glass-leorio-hunter-x-hunter-stare-gif-349369038005851948

[grand cobalt]

LMAOOOOO

[raw osprey]

why do i see fake frontiers 2 new sonic model on my tl

what happened to leakers man

we was a proper country

[wide portal]

everybody’s falling for a account that only posts fake shit on purpose as a gag

[humble drum]

I have the real new model

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-r-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-saturn-low-poly-gif-25129288

[cunning echo]

damn

[untold kayak]

||https://sonic-city.net/2025/08/12/rumor-sonic-the-hedgehog-to-appear-as-companion-in-pubg-mobiles-version-4-0-update/||

Just in case

[prime hearth]

those renders look very sussy and fake to me, but at the same time

||who would fake him being in pubg of all fuckin things lmao||

[grand cobalt]

i

ok

[raw ether]

Let me guess, that Mega Man loving person who is banned from the GL&R subreddit trying to be revelant again?

[wide portal]

those renders look pretty scuffed, and by ‘renders’ I mean ‘render’

I’d buy it if it was a hardlight project but this isn’t hardlight

like if this is real they’re not gonna pull out a custom render, they’re gonna reuse one of the millions of stock renders they have

[untold kayak]

true

[grand cobalt]

unlessssss

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-staring-shrek-smiling-gif-14430015749099037012

[plush moth]

Would it be acceptable or rude if I said LMFAOO to this

[untold kayak]

feel free

[cunning echo]

pretty much

plus pubg mobile has lot of goofy collabs nowadays so

also the chinese ver also collabed before it seems

[dawn pumice]

Ngl

Why would someone fake a PUBG collab 😭

[grand cobalt]

who

[rugged otter]

damn fort sonic looking wild

[humble drum]

Sonic Tails and Amy 😔

[cunning echo]

the real trio

[plush moth]

Sonic Amy Tails and Shadow
team Sonic with one team dark

[humble drum]

Um

That's 2/3 of team sonic with one dark and one rose

[humble drum]

🇳 🇴

[rugged edge]

Bro

Watch Sonic be a skin

https://youtu.be/Ut5hLR1DTjw?si=3Xpm8w9Z7GBLx1WX

Look at that😭

Nvm

LOL

[toxic vapor]

Can Frontiers 2 just drop now brah

[dusty osprey]

Uh, im hearing some word on the street about sonic idw

[dawn pumice]

[dusty osprey]

I dunno how good it is the post what i posted in here because i might be blowing up a spot

But ill give sega this, if in true sega supports trans people heavy

[dawn pumice]

It’s fine

[prime hearth]

post it again, got a glance and I'm iiiiinterested

[dawn pumice]

Just post it in here

Didn’t see

[dusty osprey]

Not just sega apparently

[dawn pumice]

[prime hearth]

I have a feeling sega's moreso gonna pressure IDW to drop Valiant over immediately cutting license ties, ball's in IDW's court as to what they do next

[dawn pumice]

Oh fuck

[prime hearth]

but yeah, having seen the Bloodshot panel in question its fuckin raaaaaaaancid

[raw osprey]

oh damn

[smoky summit]

🤔

[raw osprey]

wait deniz camp wrote this bloodshot issue?

what the fuck

[smoky summit]

Why did you delete the messages

[dusty osprey]

People finna screen shot this and post it on twitter

[prime hearth]

oh for crying out fuckin loud

[smoky summit]

This channel is only visible by active users

[dusty osprey]

He calling for the other guys black listing

The writer already getting blacklisted across the board Deniz Camp (the last Bloodshot writer, writing Ultimates rn) put out that call

[untold kayak]

What is it?

[smoky summit]

This sounds like its been going on for a while? Why did it come to a head now

Also

[untold kayak]

What did I miss?

[dusty osprey]

Everyone's pissed and when your dedicated use based are actually extremely progressive and inclusive -- and also VERY SMALL! -- you cannot afford to lose them readers

[smoky summit]

Sega's involvement and the insinuation about them and idw cutting ties seems a little contrived?

[dusty osprey]

Long story short: IDW co-publishes books produced by Valiant. There is an issue of Bloodshot that came out this week (yes the Vin Diesel movie) that is aggressively transphobic and SEGA caught wind of it and they want out

[smoky summit]

Like is this just Sonic fans saying this among themselves?

[dusty osprey]

No

[untold kayak]

Oh

[smoky summit]

Well can you speak on who is saying this and where you heard it from?

[dusty osprey]

Got this from a guy who is just a comic book guy in general and i trust

[smoky summit]

Comic book reader?

Or works in the industry

[still epoch]

Oh shit

[smoky summit]

And specifically with any of the parties involved?

It's important to be particular about this stuff

I don't really know much of the context, but it seems like a very easy situation to resolve

[dawn pumice]

Ehh I see it as a half an half

Ya it’s very easy to fix, just not license bloodshot anymore and do an apology, but at the same time the damage is already done

[dusty osprey]

They already did

[still epoch]

Im missing a lot of context like where did you hear sega was pissed about it

[dawn pumice]

From what I’m getting, his friend told him, who probably works in the comic industry, that most of these publishers are pissed about it, which included Sega

[untold kayak]

Mauro Montella's tl is very

[dusty osprey]

That about is the gist of it

[still epoch]

Man… its nice to see that there is backlash for this sort of stuff coming from sega themselves

[smoky summit]

This message makes it sound like a blown out of proportions situation?

[dawn pumice]

I mean having ur kid friendly franchise being published by the same comic company doing this, ya it ain’t a good sign

[smoky summit]

Like the reason I'm skeptical is just cause like

[dawn pumice]

It’s probably just moreso the impact of it

[smoky summit]

This is not a scenario where whoever can be openly offensive, so my first instinct was something unintentional happened

[dawn pumice]

Wow

I get what the story is trying to go for

But Jesus that isn’t the way to word it 💀

[torn trench]

IRREVERSIBLE CHANGE

[dusty osprey]

I wanna be clear, he said might be dead. And was more concerened with idw as a whole. But made particular note that sega apparently acted swift as hell even with the apology

[dawn pumice]

Makes sense

But honestly I doubt they’ll want to pull out

If they were adamant on it, then definitely

[dusty osprey]

I dunno if the comic dies. But i thought it would be of interest

[dawn pumice]

But it just seems sega just got insanely pissed and threatened idw

[dusty osprey]

If not i can delete this

[smoky summit]

You don't have to delete anything

[smoky summit]

Yeah idk this just feels like a very weird situation

Like no editor or anything put 2 and 2 together?

Just very odd that it made it to the final version

[grand cobalt]

ooooh my god alr

[smoky summit]

But regardless, I sincerely doubt that anything will happen regarding sega and idw

If sega had taken notice at all, it would just be a swift "please take care of this" and that'd be the end of that conversation

Again, idk the validity of the person/people telling you all this

[dusty osprey]

Thats more than reasonable of a take to have on this situation

[prime hearth]

realistically I think the most like scenario here is sega & most over licenses idw has putting pressure on em to uncouple from Valiant asap

what happens from there if IDW digs its heels in is anyone’s guess

[dawn pumice]

^^

[dusty osprey]

yeah this could turn out fine or " fine" enough as something like this can turn out. But it seemed so alarming that i thought it ya'll migt be interested

[untold kayak]

It is interesting for sure

Really messed up what happened with bloodshot though

[raw osprey]

oh yeah you were right https://vxtwitter.com/DenizCamp/status/1956417796918923370

Deniz Camp (@DenizCamp)

Bloodshot would hate transphobes and throw himself in front of a hail of bullets to protect a trans kid without hesitation. Just FYI.

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 15, 2025, 6:08 PM

[wide portal]

reading up now

yeah this looks pretty bad on their part 💀

[toxic vapor]

The writer btw

“Mistranslation”

[mint umbra]

Mfw when I accidentally like and rt propaganda and then include it in my writing (not on purpose)

Obviously I can't be transphpobic if I'm not from the US, that's why it was definitely relevant to bring up in the company's response!!

[still epoch]

Oh fuUUUUUUCK THAT

[wide portal]

jesus fucking christ

get him OUTTA there

[coarse ferry]

oh.... ffs

[still epoch]

There is no way outta this

[coarse ferry]

Yeah get this shit out

[untold kayak]

Mhm

to the bin

[dusty osprey]

Ya'll asked how this got past

apperently, there's a bunch of guys like this over at valiant

[still epoch]

Yea i imagine

[smoky summit]

You know, I stumbled on this again and like

I see more and more things that once again make me feel like it wasn't faked

Previously I said that the inclusion of AI art and an AI generated concept would be an indication that it's real

Because someone faking this would put waaaay more effort in order to not get called out and dismissed quickly

But now I'm looking at it again, and there's other things like that watermark on the bottom right

I assume insightsCDindigo has to be the name of an internal group or 3rd party they are working with

I can't really find anything that looks like it online

But then also the fact that this is apparently on a zoom call and the slides are being shared from "Sabrina's computer"

Quick google search and there is indeed a Sabrina that works in marketing and analytics at SEGA/SoA

Like you know what I mean? For someone to fake this they'd have to go above and beyond in a meta sense, not just with what's being said about the game itself

[lunar trench]

Idk "where everyone wants you dead" part feels weird to me ?

This isn't something that i would say to sell a sonic game

[cunning echo]

It could also just be a coincidence

[lunar trench]

Or they could've went "employees at sega of america"

And that's it

[loud zinc]

Funnt thing I realised is the guys camera light indicator is on too

For the zoom call

[cunning echo]

Also I feel like they wouldn't show the code on the bottom

If the other concept screenshots from frontiers days are to be taken as examples, they were really zoomed in

[cunning echo]

That too

[smoky summit]

The whole text is definitely AI generated, but that part I think is meant to be seen in conjunction with the images, so it's referring to robots wanting Sonic dead lol

Samurai Jack logic where robots = fair game

[loud zinc]

The text does seem to he chat gpt generated

It has a lot of dashed

Which chat gpt loves to do

[smoky summit]

Yes

And again, that's a very strong factor against it being fake

Because just put yourself in their shoes trying to make a believable fake leak

Chatgpt would be the biggest red flag you want to avoid

[cunning echo]

Yeah but there is also Gemini and Copilot which give text in different ways

[smoky summit]

That's not really significant here

[cunning echo]

You're saying chatgpt would he something they would like to avoid tho 😭

[loud zinc]

Maybe they got an ai tool to set it out and present it more professionally idk

[smoky summit]

The AI they use is irrelevant, chatgpt is just a blanket statement for "ai generated". They used ai and a fake leaker would almost always avoid making that obvious

That's it

[lunar trench]

Idk atp i feel it feels like we'd play a mind game

Like yeah it's false but it's so false that it could be true but also this could be what they want us to think therefore it's really is true !

[smoky summit]

Ok look, if you're not convinced, go ahead and make a fake leak with the objective of trying to make it spread

You don't have to post it, but by the end of it I wanna see your thought process and final product

I think you'll see what i mean by then lol

[lunar trench]

It worked with those ai renders for like... 5 minutes

[smoky summit]

It didn't just work because its AI generated obviously

It's the other stuff surrounding it as well like I said

[loud zinc]

@smoky summit sounds like ur more inclined to believe its legit

[smoky summit]

If you had come up with this idea that you'd look up the name of a sega employee called Sabrina, have a fake zoom call with them while making obviously AI generated presentation slides while also making sure that you slap on a nice background and non-obvious watermark

Then more power to you lol

[loud zinc]

With little attention to detail such as having ur camera flash on

[smoky summit]

I have just never seen a fake leaker do anything like this. Even people that tried to fake concept presentations at the heels of the Frontiers leak

It was so much more slap-dashed together than this

[loud zinc]

Yeah

[smoky summit]

Yeah, again like this is some very meta 4D chess kind of things to fake

[loud zinc]

No sonic fan is that smart to do these things

Camera flash light on, set up a zoom call, with random Sabrina as the host

What kind of fake leak would that be lol

[smoky summit]

Exactly, like this is so far removed from the typical thought process someone would have the context of making a fake

[wide portal]

ehhhhhhhh

[smoky summit]

Hm... Maybe it's fake..

[glossy sphinx]

LOL

[cunning echo]

tbh, sabrina is such a common name that it could have been just a coincidence 😭

[smoky summit]

[wide portal]

I feel like going “would a sonic fan really try that hard to fake a leak?” is such a trick question when you know the community’s track record

if you honestly put anything past anybody within the fandom you’re Wille K. Coyote

[smoky summit]

Yeah true, the Sonic fandom houses the most chronic of minds

It's totally fake

[autumn yacht]

nah this feels fake in the sense it's so low quality it's not even helpful for something internally

[smoky summit]

Yeah 100%

[wise chasm]

Do you have other slides by any chance? iirc there was more than one of those with this specific design

[smoky summit]

I dont have them on hand but they were a sonic smackdown concept and sonic blitz

With sprite art not models

[wise chasm]

Oh right, one of them was just Smackdown lmao

[glossy sphinx]

chemical plant and angel Island how thrilling ^_^

[sick bobcat]

"rogue AI that can mimic his every move"
why not use Metal Sonic as the main antagonist?

[wise chasm]

"This is the evolution of Sonic Adventure..." I type/generate 5 seconds before a bomb explodes

[sick bobcat]

pretty wild to see that Sonic Blitz turned out to be real

[autumn yacht]

this was posted after blitz reveal

[glossy sphinx]

mhmm

[glossy sphinx]

uhh

could be a lot of factors

depends on the narrative ofc

[wide portal]

this is the main red flag, it could’ve just been slapped together to make it seem more authentic at the end

if it was posted before, that’d be one thing

Smackdown feels real sus too, like that’s a very well known name for the fan version and would immediately stick out to people due to the nature of it being a “sonic fighting game”

it’s too specific

[glossy sphinx]

at the same time it's quite interesting to imagine a fan being so lazy that they would just copy and paste the name of the most prominent sonic fighting fan game without a second thought while at the same time going through the effort of making survey slides and generated pics

would've also probably been easier to grab random fan art since the old leaked survey back in 2021 did that huh...

eh oh well next level overthinking amiright

[smoky summit]

Totally fake

[glossy sphinx]

yeahhh fake

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-shingeki-no-kyojin-armin-arlert-smile-smiley-face-gif-231583511562791659

[smoky summit]

Also posting Sonic Blitz concept art instead of official art even though the game was already revealed

Sonic fans huh? They really think through everything haha ha

[glossy sphinx]

"Rich dialogue filled with callbacks and references to Sonic's past adventures."

[wide portal]

yeah that’s just the ai description

[glossy sphinx]

i see

[wide portal]

also I think SEGA’s tapped in well enough with the fandom to prevent direct title crossover like this

smackdown’s too big for them to not announce a game with the exact same title and a very similar premise and not immediately have to deal with that from a PR perspective

[glossy sphinx]

doesn't have to be the final title, right?

[wide portal]

sega acknowledges fans, but they’re not gonna “acknowledge” them to that extent

[glossy sphinx]

like how I doubt frontiers 2 would be the final name for the game

[wide portal]

even for presentation’s sake, there are plenty of different synonyms they can use

Brawl, Clash, hell even Battle and frame it as like, Sonic Battle (202X)

[glossy sphinx]

true

there are definitely a lot of weird factors at play but in leaning towards the side of this being true, although I won't lose much if it isn't

it's just this stuff is so weird that I think it would be funny if it was real, so im gonna lean in that direction

[toxic vapor]

hmmmm

I'm gonna be real, I think there is a chance for it to be real. Like it seems genuine enough lmao

This is like the one Frontiers 2 leak that doesn't really seem faked, it's too close to how I've seen other company surveys done recently

The use of AI for the concepts, the whole idea of shifting terrain and shit sounds like something Sonic Team would do to be ambitious af

[glossy sphinx]

that would be an interesting way to spice up the open zone stuff

repetitiveness was one of the main issues with Frontiers, the ideas presented here seems to combat that. I would be happy if it came to fruition (story shit is a red flag tho)

[toxic vapor]

crickets

[smoky summit]

[grand cobalt]

i’m rumoring my speculation to this so good

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-freaky-cat-cat-meme-tongue-out-gif-1492882876567450372

[toxic vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/poop-gif-21696855

[toxic vapor]

So guys

A new 3D Sonic platformer game just got leaked by someone who playtested it

And you guys aren't gonna be too happy

[past matrix]

What makes the information an outlier fron most supposed play testing leaks for a new game?

Or should we take it with a grain of salt?

[toxic vapor]

This was said in a public server by a notable community member, these screenshots were sent to me and I compilled it. Essentially a 4chan leak done non anonymously

[coarse ferry]

the latter

[toxic vapor]

The next game isn't gonna be Frontiers 2, it seems to be apparantly in the Cyber Space gameplay style, reverted improvements from Shadow Gens boost, and Frontiers 2 is dropped (or at least questions about it that he asked Iizuka were ignored)?

Have fun I guess?

[raw osprey]

meh

fake

[glossy sphinx]

faaaake

[coarse ferry]

yeah very fake 💀

[toxic vapor]

Ngl idk the person is in the fan scene, bit stupid to jeopardise connections

🤷‍♂️

[coarse ferry]

that's normal over those fake leakers

[lunar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-sleep-dog-dawg-eeper-gif-5083970977419902566

[raw osprey]

why cant we have normal frontiers 2 leaks man

why are all of them so fake

[toxic vapor]

I hope it's fake cause it seems like slop

Also he asked Iizuka about the design doc LOL

[lunar trench]

Ah yes the person in the sonic fan scene got to playtest the next sonic game... mhm

[raw osprey]

legit the most interesting so far was when playable character is sonci and amy

[toxic vapor]

They're aware of it lmaoo

[toxic vapor]

You can sign up for Sega Insight Lab

They invite random playtesters out 🤷‍♂️

[lunar trench]

Slopleak

[raw osprey]

i asked iizuka too if they gonna make frontiers 3

he didnt answer me

[toxic vapor]

Bro imagine if this leak is true though

Actual horror

Put the Frontiers 2 with momentum physics in the bag lil bro

[lunar trench]

I will rest well tonight knowing it isn't !

[toxic vapor]

If it is that'd be funny

[glossy sphinx]

yeah too bad that ain't gonna happen 😹👎

[still epoch]

[raw osprey]

you acting like you want this leak to be true ngl

[toxic vapor]

Fuck no

I don't want more boost shit

Get that beta shit off me

[still epoch]

This is fake as fuck made by someone who dislikes open zone LMAO

[toxic vapor]

If it's fake, they are a community member who's a liar
If it's real, then they broke hella NDA for no reason but love for the game

[still epoch]

when everyone and their mother said that this has potential

[toxic vapor]

This could be a tie over game and they're keeping Frontiers 2 under wraps hard in Japan

That's the only like thought I could have if this leak is true

[past matrix]

It's such a hard left that I don't see it happening; even something like the boost formula gameplay style went on for a good while.

Considering that they translated the open zone stuff to shadow generations, the fact that there was an appeal to their japan audience with said shift of gameplay, etc.

It just sounds like a big fat fake ass lie; even by flip floppy sonic team standards.

[toxic vapor]

Type of leak where I'd be dissapointed af if true

This could be that leaker just trolling to see how much a fake leak could spread idk

[coarse ferry]

😐

[past matrix]

That and I'm not taking word from someone's whose tag name includes 'got nothing to feel'.

[zinc spear]

Not even gonna grace it with a word

[toxic vapor]

This aura I'm getting

Is making me look insane brah

[plush moth]

what aura also good morning

[zinc spear]

Good afternoon

[coarse ferry]

good morning leo and good afternoon nick

[toxic vapor]

This is them talking bout it earlier this month and last month

So they claim it's a Sega Test Lab thing

Elaborate ass fake if fake

[wise chasm]

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to read this

Cuz the way I'm reading it is that it's not continuing from Shadow Gens, but also that they're dropping linear short boost levels as a concept (cyberspace)

[toxic vapor]

Dropping by getting rid of?

Or dropping by releasing?

[still epoch]

Is this person saying its gonna be like adventure 1

[toxic vapor]

No that it's gonna be like the Cyber Space portion of Frontiers

[wise chasm]

That

[still epoch]

Thats bullshit

[glossy sphinx]

oh no he's hinting at the open zones being dropped, that's what he means by "specifically cyberspace"

[still epoch]

Thats basically saying they will be back to forces

[glossy sphinx]

if you somehow enjoy what frontiers brought to the table with cyberspace basically

[still epoch]

At least make it make sense for them ever to do that again

Cuz it doesnt

[toxic vapor]

No

• Dropping Open-Zone
• Dropping the Shadow Gens improvements
• Yes to Cyber Space

[wise chasm]

I'm only confused because the whole thing is edited weirdly

[still epoch]

Wow getting confused by a fake

(Im confused too)

[toxic vapor]

These are the key screenshots

The game they playtested takes from Frontiers Cyber Space specifically, not Shadow Gens nor does it have the open-zone

I'm guessing it means no boost ring guage, no boost hurting enemies, slower homing attack etc

[still epoch]

??????????

[wise chasm]

That'd be such a weird backpedalling from what has been established that I'm kinda not buying it. Or at least I'm not buying that that's the full extent of the game

[still epoch]

fuck this shit

[safe hull]

Sonic Team ignoring all feedback and praise to focus only on the shit aspects of the game (totally real guys dude trust me, 500 Sonictuber videos inbound covering this like it's real, doomer mindset continues, society regresses)

[round rain]

best lore drop from what doi could say about what him Iizuka talked about

They're talking about this image

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-squid-game-season-2-happy-delighted-nod-gif-14455784396665148772

[still epoch]

You know what this is a waste of my time

[toxic vapor]

iizuka has a firm handshake

as well

[wise chasm]

I mean here's the thing - I recall Cyberspace levels being kinda praised in previews and reviews more than the open zone stuff, so I wouldn't put it past them.

[still epoch]

This is not even fun this is just confusing and dumb and this person can fuck right off lmao

[toxic vapor]

confirmed

[safe hull]

You know what isn't a waste of your time

[glossy sphinx]

yeah they kinda have to be cryptic I guess so nothing really concrete would come out of this

[wise chasm]

But it's very odd to do this when not only they experimented with open-zone stuff with updates, there's Shadow Gens

[toxic vapor]

If this actually turns out real, it'd be hilarious if Iizuka has seen the image

[toxic vapor]

This could be a purely boost side game whilst they're secretly working on Frontiers 2

[round rain]

Only care for it to be real if it means he gets to see that image lol

[toxic vapor]

I could defo see a boost 2026 game to tie over Frontiers 2 releasing after

[still epoch]

Ah yes, he saw the image and so he choose to scrap the open zone, cuz that makes a loooot of sense

[modest parcel]

This is considered a leak?

[still epoch]

Fuck no

[toxic vapor]

He also saw the design doc

😭

[modest parcel]

I’ll take no duh for 200 Steve

[mint umbra]

Why are we even talking about this shit lmao

[raw osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/david-corenswet-davidcorenswet-superman-superman-legacy-supermanlegacy-gif-7343343562999246904

[glossy sphinx]

honestly could also be the other way around since they're playtesting this game this late

[glossy sphinx]

yes sirrr

[toxic vapor]

Listen if this is fake, this means SFGHQ moderator is purposely lying just to troll

[raw osprey]

whya re we taling abot this lmao

[toxic vapor]

For the love of the game

[modest parcel]

Very funny Doi is talking abt this stuff publicly

[mint umbra]

That would not be the least bit surprising

[toxic vapor]

They set up talking about Insights Labs, then lied about little snippets of info

[smoky summit]

Ugh

[toxic vapor]

They also mentioned Persona 6 and Mecha Sonic Mark 2 but I didn't care enough about those bits to mention here ngl

[smoky summit]

A starman? Really?

Anyone with the username starman is hella unreliable 😭

[toxic vapor]

bro

[coarse ferry]

Why is freeze trying to gaslight a leak that means nothing?

[toxic vapor]

Bro you all are making me seem so insane dawg

[glossy sphinx]

exactly why would he do that

[smoky summit]

Also good grief Freeze you couldn't have waited till someone says something on 4chan so we get double confirmation?

[coarse ferry]

I mean you are

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-hiding-shy-grocery-marge-simpson-gif-17727603

[safe hull]

nothing better to do

[coarse ferry]

It’s like smash fans trying to prove Ridley in the cloud is real

Or the chairs thinking it’s skull kid in smash

[modest parcel]

Lmao

You guys are that upset by this?

[coarse ferry]

No lmao

[still epoch]

WHAT ABOUT OLD ROUGE AGENDA

[coarse ferry]

I am just more confused

[mint umbra]

When did this even happen

[coarse ferry]

Like why is this needed for a discussion? 💀

[toxic vapor]

Ngl I'm not gonna even jump on it but the fact so many people shot it down

Like utter negativity

[mint umbra]

Like is this recent

[toxic vapor]

I'm very upset

[mint umbra]

I didn't shoot it down bc I dislike it, I shot it down bc it's silly to take seriously

In Germany?

[modest parcel]

I believe it

[coarse ferry]

Freeze I am used to this anyways lmao

[mint umbra]

Bc iizuka is there rn

[modest parcel]

It makes sense

[coarse ferry]

Like I've seen enough fake leaks as it is

[modest parcel]

More than otherwise

[smoky summit]

@toxic vapor i need your help confirming something, is this person making these claims the same person who 2 years ago made a very short lived account on twitter and a discord server about Sonic leaks right before Superstars was revealed?,

[toxic vapor]

???

No

[still epoch]

Im gonna be sick

[mint umbra]

My issue isn't the game, it's just talking about an unsubstantiated rumour from discord messages

Well yeah but he's in Germany today for gamescom

[raw osprey]

im gonna be so fr its jsut looks like dude who dont like current sonic making leak about frontiers 2 to start doomposting

[mint umbra]

I'd imagine he was probably there or at least on his way yesterday??

[raw osprey]

like its jsut sounds fake as hell

[mint umbra]

I mean if this happened in Germany, that lines up

But if it didn't I find that somewhat suspicious

[toxic vapor]

It didn't I think

[round rain]

I only hope it's real just to know the fact that he saw the mediocre artwork cuz funny

[glossy sphinx]

atlantaaaaa

[glossy sphinx]

exactly

[smoky summit]

So here's the deal

[toxic vapor]

Someone find Atlanta flights to Germany

[smoky summit]

This has been spreading through dm for the last 2 weeks

[toxic vapor]

And the time it takes to get there

[glossy sphinx]

around 15 hours

[smoky summit]

But now that freeze revealed who it is

Highly skeptical

[glossy sphinx]

he started playtesting at like 11pm est yesterday

[smoky summit]

Hiiiighly

[toxic vapor]

This isn't StarmanMars dawg

This is DaisukeDoi

Mod at SFGHQ

[smoky summit]

Oh ok

[toxic vapor]

I literally stated it wasn't

https://tenor.com/view/solluminati-thatstuff-tuff-ddg-gazer-gif-14493661636074429781

[forest fractal]

I ain’t buying any of this till I see it for myself. If open zone is dropped, it is what it is. I just need the next game to be good

[smoky summit]

Alright then probably real they're probably just terrible at describing things

[toxic vapor]

LOL

so you heard bout this weeks ago?

[mint umbra]

Wait, these messages are from 2 weeks ago or yesterday?

[glossy sphinx]

he said that due to the NDA he can't be specific at all so he's just been dancing around wording.

[toxic vapor]

No

[mint umbra]

If it's weeks ago it makes sense on the iizuka timeline

[smoky summit]

No, but some people did

[mint umbra]

If yesterday it makes a little less sense

[toxic vapor]

LOL

Crazy

[toxic vapor]

bot response ngl

[still epoch]

Then why would they say ANYTHING

[smoky summit]

Either way, I wish you didn't say didn't anything cause I was waiting for 4chan leaks

No double confirm

[toxic vapor]

Did you get anymore other than that

or can you not say?

[smoky summit]

Now thats kinda up in the air unless someone name drops it

[toxic vapor]

So I'm not mentally crazy, ya'll made me look so crazy bruh I was starting to look at myself in the mirror different

[mint umbra]

What

[forest fractal]

You are crazy

[mint umbra]

What are you talking about man 😭

[toxic vapor]

I was like this... 😔

[glossy sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-on-the-shoulder-albert-hirschman-transatlantic-you-got-this-you-can-do-this-gif-16837001717769652378

told youuu

[modest parcel]

Dude LOL

[toxic vapor]

More so game info

Not the person who leaked it?

I don't give a fuck about the leaker

[smoky summit]

Prior to them supposedly going to play it, it was labeled as an "action rpg" title, that's about all I was told.

Thats all I got

[toxic vapor]

So it's the same person

[lunar trench]

Seems very weird because of what the coo and iizuka said. I wouldn't be surprised if thiz was false or if this was just another smaller game just before or after frontiers 2

[smoky summit]

And it doesn't share Frontiers DNA?

[toxic vapor]

Cause they also stated that in discord weeks ago

[dense snow]

🤨

[smoky summit]

Obviously same person😭

[mint umbra]

Wait when did the playtest happen I'm confused

[smoky summit]

Ain't nobody else risking their ass

August 20 supposedly

[toxic vapor]

They got to see different games

[smoky summit]

Yesterday

[mint umbra]

And iizuka was there?

[toxic vapor]

He tested Atlus stuff

[glossy sphinx]

we got everyone in here

[toxic vapor]

yes daddy was there

[glossy sphinx]

market test

[smoky summit]

Yeah we had coffee together- IDK

[glossy sphinx]

agreed

[mint umbra]

Yeah just mostly doubting it bc of iizuka being in Germany today then

[toxic vapor]

Sega would be stupid as fuck to ditch the open-zone to make more boost slop