Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation

[wise chasm]

The roster needs to be BIG

[wide portal]

hell the fact that speed sim was able to get tangle in there at all is a sign the times are a changin

[hushed carbon]

fill it with sega characters... ala monkey ball style?

[wise chasm]

Maybe for future DLC, but no

I mean literally more Sonic characters if it's a Sonic-only game

[hushed carbon]

oh i forgot about the babylon rogues

[wise chasm]

Jet and co., IDW heroes, villains, the entire D6, Babylon Rogues, Dodon Pa (yes)

[wide portal]

I wouldn’t call them “last priority”, they’re just new

[last idol]

Sumo racer with extreme gear 😨😨

[wise chasm]

Fuck it, add Mephiles, Iblis

Add Classic-exclusive characters in

Trip, Fang

uh

[hushed carbon]

mephiles is... well if its canon-dependent we are NOT seeing mephiles, tikal and chaos

[wise chasm]

Witchcart, fuck it

[hushed carbon]

infinite maybe

[prime hearth]

Sumo racer will be a fun lil time but I’m not getting my hopes up tooooooo high after last time lol

[atomic cave]

What if it's not a sumo racer

[lunar trench]

Do we know when the dlc comes out tmrw ?

[strange estuary]

Include Black Doom (his favourite track being Radical Highway).

[wise chasm]

Doesn't matter if you don't add them to the story at all

[atomic cave]

[hushed carbon]

i dont think sega would mix modern and classic like that is the problem

[prime hearth]

Sumo does a new one every few years like clockwork, it is 100% a sumo one

[wide portal]

Yeah I don’t think they’ll get that wild

[prime hearth]

It’s like the easiest of easy guesses to make for new sonic game, could do it with your eyes closed

[alpine wasp]

Also I don't think introducing iDW chars in a racing game is a way to go either considering the roster amount

[strange estuary]

No, they don't.

[alpine wasp]

They only have a char if it's classic related

[strange estuary]

These guys fear from ever having a Classic Shadow existing.

[alpine wasp]

If it's modern, then low ch ances

[prime hearth]

also they just made the car from them into a transformer

[atomic cave]

Please... no more sumo slop...

[strange estuary]

Classic Shadow would just be Shadow in a different art style.

[hushed carbon]

at most in terms of classic is classic sonic. maybe the main 4 if theyre feeling spicy, but the chance of seeing the hooligans is as good as seeing tangle

[prime hearth]

Classic shadow but it’s just the cryo tube propped upright in a hospital bed on wheels

[atomic cave]

And classic shadow if they're feeling extra spicy

[wide portal]

this is way funnier than just classic shaped shadow

“hey guys look it’s classic shadow!”
gigantic metal capsule

[strange estuary]

Yes, but there are instances where you can witness past moments with the modern designs.

[prime hearth]

You’ll take your five whole zones and you’ll goddamn LIKE it

[strange estuary]

So it is all an art style after all.

[torn trench]

Bedgehog

[wise chasm]

Actually fuck it, make a Big Ring playable

a crate is playable in CTR after all

[wide portal]

this is another IDW exclusive thing, like classic characters being able to talk

[strange estuary]

The fact that one is exclusive is outright baffling to me.

[wide portal]

the main counter to this is TailsTube using classic era footage and Frontiers’ vietnam flashbacks

[atomic cave]

Plug is a classic branding conservative

[wide portal]

WHAT

[atomic cave]

He's a lost cause....

[strange estuary]

Yeah, let's leave him.

[atomic cave]

[last idol]

They’re also confirmed to be working on a new version of the TSR engine as per that one guys LinkedIn

[prime hearth]

I don’t care what sonic it is I just want the online netcode to fucking work lmao

[torn trench]

Honestly this is like
The perfect game to just plop the idw characters in
Since it's an out-of-the-way spinoff that has no real bearing on anything
And they need a sizable roster anyway if they're deadset on the Sonic-only cast and not another All-Stars

[ashen sedge]

speaking of tsr

[last idol]

Doesn’t necessarily confirm a sonic project mind but it’s still likely

[ashen sedge]

i loved the models of its dialogue cutscenes

they felt different

[hushed carbon]

right, thats whats making me think its defo a kart racer. he mentioned 3 unannounced games with that engine too right?

[wide portal]

don’t say this you’re gonna get kit in your mentions being Forces Silver

[prime hearth]

I remember when we tried doing some TSR matches in here earlier in the year and it just
did not function in the slightest

[atomic cave]

flashbacks to the starting grid placing players on top of other players

[strange estuary]

Okay, so anyway, my only real and most important speculation is that they will give Shadow the Dark Rider.

They should, and that's all that matters.

[last idol]

I believe so yeah

[prime hearth]

can’t remember if they ever fixed it but on PC there’s a specific track that will just never load if you select it

[hushed carbon]

this means other vehicles than cars and PLEASEEEEEE

[prime hearth]

it will just infinitely spin its wheels

[atomic cave]

Unfortunately it's not a kart, therefore it doesn't match the Sonic Racing™️ branding

[strange estuary]

It's not the worst thing... but come on, there is little to no sauce on this.

[last idol]

I didn’t hate TSR mechanically (dogshit online notwithstanding) but I do hope if we get another it has a bit more uhhh

I don’t want to use the word sauce but

Personality?

[alpine wasp]

I hated TSR due to being after ASRT

[atomic cave]

The way these mcdonalds ass vehicles define the series' racing now makes me mad

[prime hearth]

Was a good base but waaaaay lacking in terms of actual stuff

[torn trench]

There's a little

[alpine wasp]

It's a literal massive downgrade

[torn trench]

But man

[prime hearth]

launching right near the CTR remake did not help that aspect lol

[torn trench]

The motorcycle just fits him a lot more

[wide portal]

it’s very funny the timing of this, announcing a kart racer after fans have spent the last few months praising a Riders-centric IDW arc

[prime hearth]

(granted the CTR remake also had godawful microtransactions patched in, but still)

[prime hearth]

It’s 100% gonna be cars

[atomic cave]

SoA might be washed I'm afraid (idc if this doesn't make sense I'm starting an agenda now)

[prime hearth]

Jakks et all do not sell toys of the cars for nothing

[atomic cave]

The dad cartoon branding....

[wide portal]

didn’t iizuka greenlight TSR because his son liked racing games

[hushed carbon]

wait didnt they sell some tsr toys? granted it was like. team sonic, eggman and shadow (+silver?)

[last idol]

Open to a kart racer if it’s those cursed sonic and shadow hot wheels things that look like their heads

[atomic cave]

He is 200% included in this, that is literally dad reasoning

[alpine wasp]

Yeah pyoro just made it too vague

Plus I am pretty sure he uses both Sonic and Shadow considering this year

[hushed carbon]

mfer needs to adopt me, ill get everyone that riders game

[strange estuary]

I mean, there's no problem with cars. Just have some variety.

[wide portal]

if I were that kid I’d be the biggest bragger ever

[last idol]

It would be really funny though if

[wide portal]

“my dad is also Sonic’s dad! that basically makes us brothers!”

[last idol]

Like with TSR how they gaslit everyone with the R logo

If they did the same again with the riders R

[wide portal]

no regular game industry person knows what the riders series is though

if they’re revealing at the game awards, that logo’s not gonna mean anything

it’d essentially be wasting a spot

[strange estuary]

But the regular game industry person knows what the single R game is?

[raw ether]

[wide portal]

I don’t think they teased TSR at a game awards level event did they

[strange estuary]

Also, I forgot the game awards existed.

I'm not going to assume they will reveal there.

[raw ether]

It was teased at SXSW 2018 FTTC

[strange estuary]

Even if likely.

[wide portal]

yeah right, their sonic panel

that’s way more targeted

[last idol]

God the fucking sxsw panels 😭

Feels eons ago at this point

[strange estuary]

Professor Bird will be my favourite character!

[last idol]

Literal PowerPoint reveals

[wide portal]

oh my god I just realized there are three potential announcements tomorrow

tsr2, heroes remake, and whatever the fuck is going on with the pink haired girl

what if the pink haired girl is CONNECTED to tsr2

[torn trench]

"Wow, Sonic has a new game, huh. Racing. Cool. Anyways here comes the next new hero shooter!"

[atomic cave]

Sonic Hero Shooter....

[strange estuary]

What do you mean tomorrow, the date for the pink haired girl thing is December 30th.

[atomic cave]

Sonic.... Heroes.....

[prime hearth]

Thinking abt when they revealed mighty/ray via PowerPoint and then chucked that nicely-done animated ad by Tyson online like a week later

like, lads, could you not have shown it there or

[torn trench]

Are there even any shows happening on the 30th

[last idol]

I like Aaron and Sergio a lot and realise they were working with what they had but yeah

It was wild

[prime hearth]

that being said, did result in some fun ytps which the centrals have as of yet not replicated

[strange estuary]

Hmmmm...

You have a point.

[prime hearth]

Begging for Aaron and Sergio back to hosting again instead of Ivo

[last idol]

There is probably something to be said for the chaos and heart over Ivo talking about activations or whatever yeah

[last idol]

Yeah exactly!

[wise chasm]

One of those is literally impossible for reasons and I still have no idea if the other one is at Sega still

[prime hearth]

Aaron and Sergio felt like actual people while Ivo feel like Product™️

[last idol]

They did the livestreams were actually quite funny at times

[wide portal]

crazy how iizuka had more believable “spur of the moment” energy

[torn trench]

They should get Roger and Colleen

[wide portal]

https://tenor.com/view/peak-it's-peak-iizuka-iizuka-peak-takashi-iizuka-gif-13859705726963699135

like dude

[mint umbra]

iizuka is peak in the centrals

[raw ether]

What do you mean? /srs

[mint umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-takashi-iizuka-sonic-central-sonic-the-hedgehog-iizuka-gif-17470781434628249105

[sick bobcat]

I thought Aaron doesnt work for SEGA anymore

[last idol]

My main issue with the centrals is that they feel more directed to shareholders and potential brand partners than the actual audience

The social streams I don’t really watch anymore so I have no idea what the deal is there

[torn trench]

I meant like

Game announcement events

[mint umbra]

oh no big ones

TGA is in 2 days and thats basically stealing the light from any show that would try during december

[torn trench]

So it might be in a tweet or something

[mint umbra]

i mean i think they could also just announce it at that date

could be both imo

true...

im just also not sure if a marketing cycle that consists of a teaser and then a product 3 weeks later is like

a thing that has ever happened

yea

but idk has that ever been a thing

you just announce a thing and then release it 3 weeks later

[ashen sedge]

if anything gets announced tga it could be the rumored heroes remake to be honest

along with the racing game

[sick bobcat]

I hope people keep thier expectations low tommorrow

[mint umbra]

in the unlikely case where this is an anime and the first ep does actually air on the 30th, that would be very very very insane

[ashen sedge]

i still that date is released to heroes remake

[mint umbra]

tbh i just prefer denying the existence of a sonic heroes remake because i do not want that to be a thing

[dawn pumice]

So uh

We getting a kart game?

[torn trench]

Supposedly

[mint umbra]

maybe?

[dawn pumice]

It’s either pyoro teasing about some sonic 3 shit

Or it’s actually sumo’s racing game

[loud zinc]

Wouldn’t 100% say kart, more so racer

[mint umbra]

do we know of any other games that the TSR branch of sumo has released since TSR

[ashen sedge]

i believe this racing game midori is hinting could be related to the rumor of the sonic drift revival but id rather wait and see first

[dawn pumice]

Actually….

It could be that 😭

[loud zinc]

Midori said remake for 2025…

[ashen sedge]

wait a second

[loud zinc]

What if it’s a all stars racing transformed remake

Or sonic R remake

[dawn pumice]

They also said sumo was working on a sega racing game

[ashen sedge]

thats it

[wide portal]

But the codename is Guinness

[ashen sedge]

actually yeah

that wouldnt make sense

[loud zinc]

It was never acc 100% confirmed
To be heroes tho

Just a remake under Guinness

But what if it’s a racer remake

[ashen sedge]

@dawn pumice if the drift revival rumor is true

[dawn pumice]

Ew

[ashen sedge]

then this racing game is def classic focused

[mint umbra]

could just be another beer codename with no other relation tbh

[dawn pumice]

Ewwwwwwwwww

[loud zinc]

Wait what rumour

[mint umbra]

that sonic heroes record was a big stretch anyway

[torn trench]

What's the codename for again?

[wide portal]

Where’d you hear this drift remake rumour anyway

[dawn pumice]

Guinness

[loud zinc]

Guinness : for a remake

[dawn pumice]

Drift is something I heard awhile ago

Ala 2-3 years ago

[loud zinc]

A remake for a handheld racer

Yuck

[dawn pumice]

It’s classic too

Ew

[wide portal]

They are NOT announcing that at the game awards 😭

[mint umbra]

people were saying Guinness was related to heroes bc heroes holds an arbitrary world record

[dawn pumice]

I wouldn’t be so sure

[wide portal]

All world records are arbitrary

[dawn pumice]

Pyoro’s hints usually mean that they’re coming really soon

And game awards is tomorrow

[mint umbra]

most playable characters in a platformer or smth like that

[wide portal]

have you seen the one for the most video games worked on in a lifetime? their mother was very proud

[prime hearth]

The Barry game grumps one is genuinely the gold standard, never been topped lol

[grand cobalt]

i dont care what shitty kart racer gets announced im not watching the geoff show

[mint umbra]

im not watching it either just bc i dont wanna wake up at 2:30 for that shit lmao

[torn trench]

Oh it's tomorrow lmao

I completely forgot when the game awards was happening

[dawn pumice]

I got finals

[grand cobalt]

wait its tommorow? 😭

[wide portal]

I hope they air them in the afternoon this time

[grand cobalt]

i have to study lmao

[dawn pumice]

And somehow my FINAL final is at fucking 9PM 💀

[wide portal]

nvm still the evening

[alpine wasp]

meanwhile I have work

[atomic cave]

Stupid hedgehog distracting me smh

[ashen sedge]

when does sega usually drop dlc

[torn trench]

Geoff scheduling TGA the same day as the movie dlc

[mint umbra]

i wonder when thats releasing

[torn trench]

My finals aren't until next week

[mint umbra]

i hope before TGA 😭

[ashen sedge]

same

[torn trench]

Possibly

[ashen sedge]

wait tga is tomorrow?

[torn trench]

Or probably like
9pm

Yeah

[ashen sedge]

wow i thought it was on the 20th for some reason

[loud zinc]

What if it’s just a sonic rumble release trailer….

[ashen sedge]

didnt in the last tga reveal sonic x shadow gens and superstars

[mint umbra]

no

last TGA had no sonic

[alpine wasp]

Sonic wise it was just Frontiers I am pretty sure

[loud zinc]

PlayStation showcase in January of this year

[ashen sedge]

oh my bad

[mint umbra]

it did have the big sega trailer though

with JSR and crazy taxi and all of that

[alpine wasp]

Yeah I feel like something up to that level is what SEGA may show

[torn trench]

Mannnnnnn

[mint umbra]

i hope we get news on like

at least one of these projects

[alpine wasp]

Agreed

[mint umbra]

please just show me more jsr

[dawn pumice]

Honestly I’m really confused on what pyoro was hinting at

[grand cobalt]

cars 2

[atomic cave]

Sonic racer

[alpine wasp]

Yeah it just looks very vague

[dawn pumice]

It would make sense if it was all stars, but it wouldn’t cuz of Guinness

[mint umbra]

it was sonic and shadow and they were animated so clearly this is a tease at the sonic anime that is definetly a thing that will release

[atomic cave]

We can have... both...

[grand cobalt]

haha so true

[dawn pumice]

You ain’t having both in the same year

[atomic cave]

Yes we can!

[dawn pumice]

I’m sorta betting that Guinness is a drift remake 😭

[grand cobalt]

can guinness actually just be a racing game the world isn't ready for a heroes remake

[mint umbra]

it could just be that, again the reason people brought for "Guinness" meaning heroes is far from a locked in confirmation

[last idol]

Guinness could be 2026

[atomic cave]

Ryan from the Bronx would never lie

[ashen sedge]

didnt midori say its for 2025 or something

[dawn pumice]

But it was also the fact that rumors of heroes were circulating in the back for the longest time

[ashen sedge]

that guiness would release around 2025

[dawn pumice]

And having the whole team Chaotix be in a same recording booth is a bit strange

[grand cobalt]

actually can they be right i changed my mind

frontiers successor 2026..

[mint umbra]

they were there for the sonic anime clearly

[atomic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[grand cobalt]

what do you mean frontiers came out in late 2022 and its about to be 2025

thats bananas!!

[atomic cave]

4 year gap would be peak

The ideal dev time of Sonic games

[raw osprey]

2014 was 30 years ago

[grand cobalt]

how was there a two year gap between 06 and unleashed LMAO

thats still kinda crazy to me

[mint umbra]

tbf they were done by different teams

mostly

unleashed (moreso just as HE1 though) started development in 2005 iirc?

[torn trench]

Really?

[grand cobalt]

strange to think these two designs were both around for a brief time

[atomic cave]

The fact that they had to renderfarm Unleashed's lighting is still crazy to think about

[grand cobalt]

do we know when 06 started development?

[mint umbra]

iirc they mentioned either in the blog or the GDC talk that they caused multiple power outages at sega baking the lighting

[mint umbra]

2004 iirc

[atomic cave]

I think it was the GDC talk yeah

[mint umbra]

it was what yuji naka was working on while iizuka was cooking shth

[sick bobcat]

im just gonna watch the trailers when the TGA is over
im not watching the event

[grand cobalt]

its weird to think about how yuji naka's reputation kinda flipped in recent years

like yeah you'll get people who still advocate for him, but i mean in general

[torn trench]

Classic, you say

[mint umbra]

i mean he kinda did it to himself

lmao

[grand cobalt]

that's what making a bad game and being sent to prison will do to your rep ig

[sick bobcat]

well
he released a bad game under his name and committed a crime

[alpine wasp]

He’s always like this tho

It’s just only matter of time where he gets exposed

[torn trench]

God

[mint umbra]

acting like an asshole publicly towards your coworker, doing inside trading, and releasing a bad game all in the same year is bound to not be great for your reputation lol

[grand cobalt]

there was one sonic video that went into a lot of his wrongdoings

[torn trench]

I was really looking forward to Balan, man

[grand cobalt]

which was it again?

a part of me thinks it was an sa1 analysis

[sick bobcat]

in a way, its a blessing for SEGA that Naka left the company

[alpine wasp]

Agreed

Yuji Naka while having great ideas also damaged the company

[grand cobalt]

https://youtu.be/btJGxOTNDlM?si=11TdoxPa0H1J8ITa

i think it was this one?

[atomic cave]

"We overloaded the power system in our office and blew the circuit breaker!"

[atomic cave]

Lighting so advanced for it's time even an entire building couldn't run it

[mint umbra]

I wonder if that affected other games being developed there at the time lmao

[mint umbra]

Kishimoto down in the secret rings office downstairs was probably cursing the unleashed team every time they baked the lighting

[hexed wraith]

The way I already know what this is about

I might be cooked

[mint umbra]

Tbf there aren't any other sonic unleashed GDC talks 😭

[hexed wraith]

That’s not what I mean

By the 3 bullet points there, I understood that this must have been a rule put in place whenever they had to bake lighting for stages in Unleashed

[mint umbra]

Oh

[hexed wraith]

Which requires a world of context…

[atomic cave]

At the end of the day even that wasn't enough and they had to go even further than that

[hexed wraith]

They had to rebirth

Also guys I’m finally home now

And it’s 17 (62) here for some reason…

[mint umbra]

Just in time to play new sxsg tomorrow ‼️

[hexed wraith]

Yes

[atomic cave]

This guy....

https://x.com/SEGAInforment/status/1866940447387443489

SEGA Informant (@SEGAInforment) on X

As for Metacritic?

A 16 point gap between the highest rated entry by average of the Riders Series to the lowest rated entry by average of the Sumo series.

It's very clear. Sumo financially and critically has the mandate to continue the Sonic Racing series.

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 8:17 PM

[strange estuary]

What's wrong?

[atomic cave]

Twitter thread explaining why Sega will make another kart racer

The user pulled up VGCharts sales in the same breath which makes it annoying

Combo of legitimate info paired with VGCharts botched data

[wheat kindle]

if it's Drift, it's not classic anyway, otherwise why post a Shadow pic from the TSR short

I think it's just another entry in the Sonic Racing games, the 4th one

[smoky summit]

Sonic Drift sucks

They need to make it a multiple IP thing

[wheat kindle]

I hope it has meat in the track/cast roster, mechanics that are accessible, and I want skins like in the apple arcade Sonic Racing

also might be worth pointing out that they have been recently updating the Apple Arcade one yeah

maybe the 2 things are connected?

[last idol]

I didn’t realise sonic spin offs needed to secure mandates like a politician 😭😭

[atomic cave]

[last idol]

I do get the logic behind a new sumo racer I just hope it actually brings something to the table beyond just the all star games and TSR

I have no idea what that would be in practice

[torn trench]

See the reason why Riders got such a mediocre score was because nobody knew how to play the game good

[last idol]

I don’t think the first game does the best job at explaining its own mechanics but yeah

[atomic cave]

[last idol]

I mean it’s essentially a spiritual successor to fzero gx which was critically acclaimed so idk

[alpine wasp]

......okay

That's bit too overdramatic

💀

The review I meant

[last idol]

Yeah this is kind of what sonic reviews were like in that era

[atomic cave]

Wooooow

Stick with Secret Rings?????

Did they even play SR?

[torn trench]

Fuck my life, man

[last idol]

Secret rings got fully glazed by reviewers at the time 😭

Post 06 it was seen as a return to form

[atomic cave]

Augh

[last idol]

Which in retrospect is wild

[atomic cave]

RIDERS WAS FUN

SKILL ISSUE

SKILL ISSUE

[torn trench]

It really is a skill issue

[alpine wasp]

oh right yeah

06 being a thing

💀

[torn trench]

SHUT UPPPPPP

[atomic cave]

[alpine wasp]

.......that does explain a lot why sega barely does riders

[still epoch]

Dude the glazing of secret rings is

so stupid lol

Cuz the game barely worke

[torn trench]

It's cocomelon behavior

[still epoch]

Yet people were cooming galoms just cuz you tilted sonic

[last idol]

I don’t really subscribe to meta era as a term but a lot of the shit that happened with the franchise during that time was pretty much a direct reaction to this kind of press discourse

[atomic cave]

[alpine wasp]

???????????????

Okay that makes 0 sense

[atomic cave]

STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION

[alpine wasp]

LMFAO

The fucking (thank god)

Nah that's fucking crazy

[atomic cave]

At least someone knew what was going on in 2006

[torn trench]

Worth playing

[grand cobalt]

whats wrong now

[wide portal]

they brought this up https://twitter.com/segainforment/status/1866934085681074270?s=46&t=9-8r2BsnJTX3NUa7wKHeIQ

SEGA Informant (@SEGAInforment) on X

I was curious, and man...
No wonder SEGA likes working with Sumo Digital.

After some research, I think I've come across an estimate unit sales number for Riders Series and Sumo Series.

Riders Series - 3.68 Million Units
Sumo Series - Over 11 Million Units

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 7:52 PM

which imo is more important than the critical side of things

[atomic cave]

not when it's based off vgcharts it isn't

[grand cobalt]

whats wrong with vgcharts

[grand cobalt]

unreliable in what way

exaggerated numbers, outdated, what

[hushed carbon]

the entire release cycle of riders has such a big asterisk* on it that idk, i cant take any of its poor sales at face value, like free riders being free riders and riders releasing in the midst of a shit ton of other sonic games. i think a really good riders game could sell as well as a really good kart racer sonic

[hushed carbon]

.... i can see this... since they went out of their way to design vehicles and model them...

[atomic cave]

https://www.wired.com/2008/06/why-we-dont-ref/

"based mostly on rough guesses, not hard data"

[grand cobalt]

ok thank you

[lunar trench]

I mean, i don't vgchartz to know that the sumo games def outsold the riders games

[atomic cave]

They probably did, but anyone who actually cites them is, well

The Sonic Riders 1 sales are the total sales reported from the first year of it being released, so it falls into the same category as the other Sonic games that reported their sales for one year and not much beyond that

I'm sifting through the references for the sales/revenue cited here and it's... rough...

284 links to a destructiod review made at release of the game, not revenue

287 links to a famitsu TSR page that doesn't list any revenue data in particular

And everything else points to playtracker.net?

[raw ether]

WTF is PlayTracker?

[atomic cave]

https://playtracker.net/insight/game/36846

[sick bobcat]

pretty wild to think that SEGA hasn't published a Sonic game that gets a score below 70 in a while, shows how far the franchise has come

[atomic cave]

"Dang Playstation had a lot more 'sales' than the other platforms, I wonder what's up with that"
VGCharts sweeping the playtracker.net under the rug:

[loud zinc]

https://x.com/spamite_/status/1866957222070337909?s=46&t=hz_7Hq6aWEVvkckv9DT6eQ

Spam (@spamite.bsky.social) (@spamite_) on X

I've got some evidence to wager that this'll end up being Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing 3

Mini-Thread 🧵

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 9:24 PM

[raw ether]

I don’t care about evidence. I’m just waiting for the official announcement

[atomic cave]

The guy in his replies saying "Ah yes, as I just said" 💀

[wheat kindle]

https://x.com/spamite_/status/1866957542124892485?t=18zmQVPmlUGY_IwJm6YMhQ&s=19

Spam (@spamite.bsky.social) (@spamite_) on X

As had already been reported by everyone's favorite hype man, an employee at Sumo Digital had put up an upcoming project invoking the engine used in Sonic & Sega All Stars Racing Transformed

https://t.co/x1sDh6MwIL

Twitter · Dec 11, 2024, 9:25 PM

"Team Sega Racing"

[grand cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-smile-simpsons-gif-11742885

[wheat kindle]

Crash Team Sonic Sega Racing

With Banjo-Kazooie and Diddy Kong

[alpine wasp]

Team SEGA Racing

[atomic cave]

If they do go back to doing SEGA stuff, it'd probably go over pretty well with TGA's audiences

[alpine wasp]

Bro I don't wanted another team racing game again

[alpine wasp]

After with the powerhouse trailer for sure

[wheat kindle]

I'm sure the new game is one of the unannounced but calling TSR Sega Racing is funny

[hushed carbon]

of all the things to come back the team thing was definitely the weakest.... the tracks and transformed of all stars was what i was hoping for 😭

[wheat kindle]

It's a mistake, I think that is just TSR

[prime hearth]

I'd be okay with a team sega racing but first they gotta sort out what the fuck they're doing with the back catalog

you cannot go "here is a game with all the sega classics in!" like a week after delisting every sega classic from every platform

[hushed carbon]

maybe a sega classics game collection is in the works?

[prime hearth]

I mean I'd bloody hope so lmao

[hushed carbon]

if the racing game /is/ a sega all-stars thing i can see some kind of united push for the sega brand as a whole if they time the releases properly

[prime hearth]

but ideally that should've been out and announced before delisting everything and not after

(unless its like, a literal shadowdrop of some kind)

[hushed carbon]

maybe they're aiming for a january-feb release or something. "Year of Sega" 💀

[grand cobalt]

i mean

they absolutely can

[hushed carbon]

whens the next direct

imagine if them delisting it all was in preparation for some stupid NSO update thing 💀

[prime hearth]

putting every sega exec responsible in a life-size pencil sharpener and turning til their arsecheeks resemble a cone

[wide portal]

might just be me but I think pyoro’s aware enough to where he would’ve put a proper sega all stars gif instead of a TSR gif

[hushed carbon]

Team Sonic x Shadow Racing 🤩 where they introduce a shadow campaign (its still png slideshow visual novel cutscenes)

[lunar trench]

Heyy now

They've got more money now

They'll AT LEAST animate the mouths

🙄

[last idol]

Dodonpa sweep

[prime hearth]

ian-written prequel about the origins of his stupid fuckin car belt

[last idol]

Omg I’ve never noticed that 😭😭

But yeah no I don’t know what it would take to get me to care about a story mode in a kart racer tbh

[grand cobalt]

actual cutscenes would be a start

[hushed carbon]

sorry dog walked on my keyboard

[grand cobalt]

also what the fuck was that

[prime hearth]

yeah realistically with these things you're just gonna be directly slamming online

[grand cobalt]

😭

[prime hearth]

it's a nice-to-have, not a need-to-have

[hushed carbon]

are there any kart racers that pull of a storyline well anyway?

[last idol]

None that really stand out for me, maybe the crash ones

[prime hearth]

ctr has one but that's the extent of my knowledge of it

[hushed carbon]

just plagiarize mario kart.... fun tracks, fun party modes, and a robust online matching system

[atomic cave]

Jak X maybe

[last idol]

Maybe get like the TMOSTH writers to make a really dumb sports anime esque story that could be fun

[prime hearth]

like 99% of them are "haha I am evil and I am hosting a racing tourney, I bet you cannot beat me in my racing tourney!!" twenty hours later "oh no, you have beat me in my racing tourney!!"

not coming here for shakespeare are we

I'll sacrifice it if it means more than five sodding biomes

[hushed carbon]

how'd they do the storyline,,, what can sonic take notes from....

[prime hearth]

quite possibly the most 2005 looking videogame cover i've ever seen

[atomic cave]

Hmmmmm

[hushed carbon]

more tracks!!! and also more items i guess, they havent used every wisp yet

[atomic cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O-AuYMRivc&ab_channel=PlayscopeTimeline

[prime hearth]

all its missing is maybe some sexism idk it was 2005

[wide portal]

nuh uh we need that money to not support the game!

[atomic cave]

Oh Jak definitely has some of that I'm sure

If they can think up characters like Dodon pa I'm sure they could think of something more compelling ala IDW's chars

[wide portal]

what if dodon pa comes back

[atomic cave]

The Sonic char of all time

[prime hearth]

they should bring back dodonpa so I can make dirty jokes about tanukis again

[grand cobalt]

guys hes classic eggman just wait

[prime hearth]

remember when we thought this was the phantom ruby

[hushed carbon]

dodonpa doesnt even return in the riders arc...

[last idol]

I don’t really know what he was for

[wide portal]

Maybe this is how they explain the timeline placement of TSR

[last idol]

Like he doesn’t particularly add anything to the game

[wide portal]

Shadow would have shot him

or should’ve

idk

[atomic cave]

Oh my god what is this story set up

[prime hearth]

the reverse plot twist is so funny

"SIKE!! this guy you thought was eggman is actually COMPLETELY UNIMPORTANT!!"

[atomic cave]

The cast immediately doesn't trust him, pegs him as Eggman in disguise, Sonic says "it'll be fine as long as I'm with you!" and then everybody + everybody else gets on a spaceship

[hushed carbon]

anw, i just looked it up and TSR doesn't use 3 wisps, which is ??? Green Indigo and Purple, which is insane to me cause surely they can come up with some item effects for them

[hushed carbon]

like purple can work like the piranha plant item and such

[atomic cave]

The anti twist

[hushed carbon]

racist tails strikes again...

[wide portal]

maybe the X portrayals of the characters are accurate..

[wide portal]

what the fuck is wrong with him

[atomic cave]

This guy sucks why are you guys going along with him

[prime hearth]

woa they got BUSY on that spaceship‼️

[hushed carbon]

hes such a nothing burger of a character, its like they wanted to evoke king doc but didnt want it to be obvious but then they didnt even commit

[atomic cave]

Nvm they deserve each other

[wide portal]

do you think pontaff got the design for dodon pa and realized there was nothing to him so they had to rerun the free riders cutscenes to squeeze some character out but didn’t remember that king doc actually was eggman and not just a red herring

[atomic cave]

Was this game actually written by Pontac and Graff

[prime hearth]

wasn't it someone else IIRC

I remember there being an X link of some kind

CHRIS

[hushed carbon]

i think they're credited for TSR

[prime hearth]

CHRIS'S VA DID SOME WRITING FOR THIS I REMEMBER

[wide portal]

Suzanne?

[alpine wasp]

They were

[hushed carbon]

well

horrible

no wonder dodon pa felt like he came right out of a forgettable episode of aosth

[plush moth]

Afternoon

[grand cobalt]

this is just dru from despicable me

[plush moth]

LMFAO

[hushed carbon]

😭

the badniks are his minions and sage and metal are his orphans he adopted

[wide portal]

[grand cobalt]

80+ reply thread on why you’re wrong and should die

[wide portal]

Do you guys think Cream’ll actually be allowed to race this time 😭

[hushed carbon]

they're gonna bring back vanilla just so she can drive

[rugged otter]

expecting a sonic only roster not to be plain boring
i just need a sega and sonic roster.. please sega..

[atomic cave]

I couldn't find them in the credits

[hushed carbon]

source is from their linkedin apparently

[atomic cave]

Huh

[wide portal]

bro onto nothing

[zinc spear]

[hushed carbon]

https://stupidpenisx.com/AxisTheTiger/status/1355272430156177413

[rugged otter]

should've listened to what the zeti said in SLW, smh Tails

"disturbing" bro

[wide portal]

wow we really hated those guys

“about time if you ask me” 😭

[atomic cave]

When I'm a Dr Seuss character but I'm also supposed to be ✨ m o r a l l y a m b i g u o u s ✨

[lunar trench]

I do not vibe with his ugly ass face

[wide portal]

“something bad is going to happen mwahahahah!” and then i do my little ballerina twirl as i leave the scene

[plush moth]

If eliminated is disturbing, then a shit ton of other words could be considered war crimes

[rugged otter]

surprised they couldn't have made him unlockable, for shame

[atomic cave]

Oh my gooood

[hushed carbon]

dodonpa's design is. a hot mess.

kick his ass out, bring in nite the owl

[wide portal]

oh god please

he would be a way cooler announcer

[atomic cave]

YES

[wide portal]

his design is great and I’d love to hug him

[atomic cave]

PLEASE

[plush moth]

Yes owls are goated and he would be a better announcer

[rugged otter]

nite can only be in as long as his husband is included

[plush moth]

Imagine hugging a owl, just straight fluff

[hushed carbon]

^^^

[plush moth]

agreed

[atomic cave]

Stop that

[hushed carbon]

if you get best times in every race with every character, idk, nite and don share a cute kiss for your efforts

[rugged otter]

why's no one telling omochao to shut up, 0/10 writing

[plush moth]

They’ll have kissed over 1000 times then

[hushed carbon]

omochao glaze... AMY THIS ISNT YOU

[plush moth]

Who the fuck wrote this?

[atomic cave]

Alr it's not all that

[rugged otter]

"did you know that the acceleration pedal allows the car to move forwards?"

[wide portal]

I do lowkey like the idea of dodon pa being able to transcend reality and space for the sole purpose of inviting people to his races but literally every cutscene is the same “oh man this guy is SUSPICIOUS!!”

[untold kayak]

Madam web be like:

[wide portal]

The sonic cast would be terrible at among us

[plush moth]

You say that as if Tails didn’t frame Yacker during that one Twitter Takeover

[atomic cave]

What is this exchange 😭

[plush moth]

god I hate tsr’s model for sonic

[atomic cave]

Sonic is like me with pepito

[hushed carbon]

sonic boom ass conversation

[wide portal]

“please one game left in our contract and we can get out of here please please god i want out I WANT OUT”

[rugged otter]

need me a new racing game so that opa-opa could make the grand return

[plush moth]

No replace him with the bird husbands

[atomic cave]

WOW Blaze...

[plush moth]

wow Blaze that’s kinda fucked up

I thought you were better

[hushed carbon]

woah blaze you cant just say that

[rugged otter]

smh

[lunar trench]

Idk, it's not worse than what we currently have tbh, if anything, i kinda like it more

[wide portal]

racism ⁉️

[rugged otter]

never trust royalty

[atomic cave]

She was like "This sounds interesting" until she clocked the tanuki this is her cancellation arc

[wide portal]

This is why she’s not in the Sol Dimension anymore, Sonic’s world is tolerant of bigotry

#EarthisOverParty

[lunar trench]

The muzzle is meh but idk

[wide portal]

why the fuck do his shoes look like that

[last idol]

It’s kind of wild that it can essentially be traced back to secret rings

[lunar trench]

Probably because we aren't supposed to see them idfk lmao

Seriously plug 💀

[atomic cave]

Is this.... supposed to be Sonic's redeeming quality??? That he doesn't judge Tanukis like the rest of the cast??? 😭

[wide portal]

shame on you sonic, letting your metal shoes rust like that

[wide portal]

THEYRE ALL RACIST

[grand cobalt]

come next racing game the fandom will somehow convince themselves that tsr has better writing

[hushed carbon]

makes sense for them to be racist i guess

[rugged otter]

a bit surprised how TSR was the last game these kinda models were in considering how they've been using similar modern ones for awhile now

[hushed carbon]

since this is a racing game

[plush moth]

⁉️

[lunar trench]

Those are the cutscenes renders btw

[plush moth]

Ok yea fair

[wide portal]

this series has no other tanukis…guys please

[atomic cave]

Sonic's like that one relative at the table trying to keep the uncle from going down their racist rabbit holes

[grand cobalt]

he looks so mobile game-y

I hate it

[lunar trench]

Prolly because of the materials

[rugged otter]

I like some of the renders, though something about the lighting on them is a bit off

[hushed carbon]

odd cause ive been seeing TSR model glaze threads on twitter

[plush moth]

“Why back in my day….”
“Alright uncle let’s get you back to bed”

[prime hearth]

cut them some slack this is the only tanuki they could find without massive balls

[last idol]

The only thing I can really think of is that ST were gatekeeping the others as these ones seemed to only get used in spin offs or games developed by other teams

[atomic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/grim-adventures-of-billy-and-mandy-you-fools-youve-messed-with-the-natural-order-angry-crow-gif-16368601

[plush moth]

I beg ur pardon?

[prime hearth]

did u not know

[wide portal]

is this how silver’s timeline becomes the forces hellhole?

[plush moth]

If this is scientifically real I’m going to scream

[hushed carbon]

chat, leo doesnt know...

[prime hearth]

thats like the defining trait of tanukis they have fat ones

[grand cobalt]

hey do we know what silver’s future looks like

[hushed carbon]

absolutely ginormous ones

[wide portal]

06, Rivals, bits and pieces of IDW

[rugged otter]

did anyone ever considering pulling a prank on silver by writing a letter for him into the future about a great calamity yet to come

[prime hearth]

studio ghibli made a whole film about it

[plush moth]

I genuinely did not know😭

[wide portal]

there’s no defined look for the future because it’s always getting fucked up

[lunar trench]

Yeah, and it's really fun

[grand cobalt]

so there’s no none fucked up version of it

?

[prime hearth]

wasn't there like one panel in IDW and it just looked like a general city

[wide portal]

IDW

gimme a sec

[plush moth]

Yea a technologically advanced one at best

[plush moth]

But then again, 200 years into the future

[rugged otter]

I like how Archie before it was over had a story for Silver that took place in his future and we saw glimpse

[lunar trench]

LMFAOOO search the gifs istg it's so funny

[grand cobalt]

laaaaaame

[rugged otter]

sucks it never finished

[grand cobalt]

boooo

[plush moth]

If this was real life this would not be the real future

[wide portal]

good for silver! he got to live in the sonic X city

oh and I guess there are some vague holograms there but it’s whatever

[atomic cave]

The way Roger is about three feet further away from the microphone as he says "bring it on, I'm loving this!" makes him sound like a race junkie just waiting for the next hit, and everyone whinging abt Dodonpa is holding him back from that smh

[rugged otter]

the first gif is unreal

[wide portal]

sonic what

[lunar trench]

AHAHAH

[atomic cave]

Oh brother

[prime hearth]

OH AYE YE DID DID YE

[hushed carbon]

just ignore anything shadow in TSR...

[plush moth]

I don’t think I want to study wildlife anymore

[prime hearth]

GET YER TIME AND SCORE BONUS TOO AYE

[hushed carbon]

his smack talk mid-game is the only saving grace...

[rugged otter]

without the time stones???

wild

[atomic cave]

The way my mind immediately jumped to SLW Tails reacting to this

[plush moth]

you didn’t have to say that

you didn’t have to bring us back to Sonic Flynnerations

[wide portal]

is this a lost sonic X episode

[plush moth]

yes

[rugged otter]

damn being like this, does he know how much that bites

[atomic cave]

[grand cobalt]

why are we doing the tsr analysis in sonic rumors and speculation 😭

[atomic cave]

Ok this

Hold on I'll switch channels

[zinc spear]

I am one of those people...

It ain't perfect but it doesn't have the constant ass brow for every expression, the muzzle is utilised for expressions a little better

[zinc spear]

Like here the face actually looks...more than tolerable?

[rugged otter]

I'd argue if you gave the same materials to the current one it'd be similarly fine
meanwhile in-game the model is ultra shiny and the brows are more pronounced

[ashen sedge]

im starting to think the shadow movie pack for gens wont drop until game awards

[sick bobcat]

with Sonic Racing Crossworlds revealed at TGA, that pretty much debunks the Heroes remake rumors

[strange estuary]

Not really.

[wide portal]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[dawn pumice]

This is easily Sumo’s game

[hexed wraith]

but its not

it’s the elite racing team at Sega

[dawn pumice]

Wait is it not????

[hexed wraith]

https://fixupx.com/sonicofficialjp/status/1867431994000580695/en

[dawn pumice]

U sure it ain’t referring to Sumo?

What modern racing games have they made?

[mint umbra]

The TSR teaser features sumo's logo, this one doesn't

[hexed wraith]

is sumo digital a subsidiary of SEGA or something

[dawn pumice]

Oh shit

[dawn pumice]

Na

[hexed wraith]

okay so then why would they be referring to sumo digital when saying that

[mint umbra]

No, separate company they outsourced all the racing games to

[rugged otter]

interesting

wonder if those are the same devs that made the latest arcade SEGA racers

those being SEGA World Drivers Championship and Apex Rebels

[wheat kindle]

I think crossworlds can mean both Modern/Classic/Movie AND SEGA worlds

even though Classic is the past

But no "All-Stars" in the title is also an indication

[dawn pumice]

If cross worlds is a multiverse game

I would be

Very surprised

[wheat kindle]

crossworlds already makes up for the "All-Stars" part tho

[dawn pumice]

I’m still betting on it being the real world tho

[wise chasm]

I'll be okay with it if that makes the Sonic cast a lot more varied

have Tom the Cop as one of the racers, fuck it

[dawn pumice]

I def think we gonna get a bigger roster this time

And since sega is developing it, I’m wondering how it’s gonna play

[wheat kindle]

I wonder why not Sumo though

[dawn pumice]

I’m wondering that too

They had 4 unannounced racing games under their belt

And it looks like they’re gonna be reusing tsr assets with the cars

So did like sega just swipe the assets and said fuck it?

[wheat kindle]

and characters

it's easier if they want to add more content

[dawn pumice]

Honestly

Gimme Espio

I’ll be pretty content

[wheat kindle]

also lol the extreme gears

https://x.com/Yuki_vstheworld/status/1867442810473132093

˗ˏˋ ★ Y ᑌ K I ★ ˎˊ˗ (@Yuki_vstheworld) on X

@sonic_hedgehog PLEASE MAKE THIS GAME HAVE THE POSSIBILITY TO USE EXTREME GEARS

Twitter · Dec 13, 2024, 5:33 AM

[dawn pumice]

Honestly just might be an Easter egg

[shy tangle]

is there a point in screaming?

at this point they've probably already decided

[dawn pumice]

Would’ve made it clear if extreme gear was gonna be a main draw

[wheat kindle]

I think it means they just on the shelves collecting dust...

[dawn pumice]

I think juggling a whole new mechanic + a whole new racing tool would be a bit too overwhelming

[wheat kindle]

I hope they find a way for Jet to be in the game even though no extreme gears

[dawn pumice]

Oh they’ll def add jet

Ngl too

They might add IDW characters

Like I’m not putting Tangle or Whisper off the table

[wheat kindle]

and Fang and Trip probably

[dawn pumice]

Ok ok

If we going the “modern” route

[strange estuary]

Jet in car.

[dawn pumice]

I def see the new characters bein like

Espio
Sage
Cream
Jet
Tangle
Whisper

If we talking “multiverse” stuff

Then I def see characters like

Classic Sonic
Mighty
Ray
Fang
Trip

[strange estuary]

I will genuinely despise them for including classic characters into this.

[wise chasm]

Shove the entire Shatterverse cast.

Shove the Classic cast

Shove the movie cast

Shove the rest of the main cast

Shove the Boom cast

Shove the entirety of Deadly Six

Shove everyone *

[dawn pumice]

I would be so down ngl

Mind u imma ignore the shatter verse

But everyone else

[wheat kindle]

SEGA cast will be guests or DLC at this point

[strange estuary]

Why would you ignore the shatter verse?

I feel like Nine would have a sick car.

[dawn pumice]

Prime buns

[wheat kindle]

it's not game related or as popular, but yeah this is multiverse apparently, it makes sense

[dawn pumice]

They will be guests if they gonna go all in on the crossworlds things

I don’t see it happening tbh

[wheat kindle]

Modern, Classic, Movie, Prime and SEGA all make sense here tbh

[dawn pumice]

Movie would be a shock

[strange estuary]

Like seriously, I get that you lot genuinely have some kind of persistent hatred for the show, but having the stuff from it could be cool.

[wheat kindle]

they can do skins

[dawn pumice]

Especially the hoops they have to jump through with paramount

[wheat kindle]

at least one between Movie and Prime are getting in

both are in the mobile games...

[dawn pumice]

Might be movie

Cuz of the sheer weight it carries

[strange estuary]

But the classic characters are from the same world...

[dawn pumice]

Honestly

Wouldn’t mind classic sonic being its own character

[lunar trench]

Hmm...
https://x.com/SockTiger/status/1867436189529035187?t=fGw0v3cgdZ9AE94wD5GK-w&s=19

Stocking Tiger (@SockTiger) on X

got an A rank instead of an S so i took away his skin

Twitter · Dec 13, 2024, 5:07 AM

[dawn pumice]

Especially in his red car

[sick bobcat]

im ready for Dodon Pa's return

[wheat kindle]

I know, it's the past but it's like a sub brand

[strange estuary]

Let them stay away.

[dawn pumice]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/f/f0/SonicRacingClassicSonicAlt.png/revision/latest?cb=20211026005729

Honestly

[strange estuary]

They don't deserve to be treated as a different dimension.

[dawn pumice]

I would be so fine with this

I’d prob main him too 😭😭😭

That ride is clean af

[wheat kindle]

But Classic and Modern barely crossed over, not recently anyway, so yeah this is the perfect opportunity

[dawn pumice]

Hol up

[wheat kindle]

Fang on the marvelous queen

[dawn pumice]

Mirage Saloon

[wheat kindle]

MANIA STAGE

[dawn pumice]

Studipolis

[wheat kindle]

Mirage Saloon had a "color palette" I think in TSR lol

[strange estuary]

I don't like them crossing over because it further enhances the problem of modern and classic characters being separate.

That stinks.

[dawn pumice]

If we taking the whole cross worlds seriously

And by the looks of the teaser

Gimme real world locations too

[strange estuary]

Get some classic characters in with the modern art style.

Now that I'd be down for.

[wheat kindle]

Unleashed stages let's go

[dawn pumice]

Na na

I mean like

Actual EARTH stages

New York City, Brazil, Tokyo, etc

[wheat kindle]

They have Tokyo assets ready, so maybe

[dawn pumice]

That teaser did not seem like any sonic stage ngl

And the aesthetic was really close to the dlc

[lunar trench]

Hmm...

[dawn pumice]

Didn’t remind me of any speed highway or city escape

Especially that landscape and road signs

[wise chasm]

Finally Shadow will meet latinas

[dawn pumice]

They can also really bank on the movie’s hype

Sonic and co traveling to real worlds in the movie by using portal rings

Have the same “concept” here

An easier way to connect the similarities

[wheat kindle]

WAIT

Since Shadow was in the teaser

and the DC collab is next year

DC crossover and skins?

as in DC tracks

[dawn pumice]

Hmmm

Feel like the dc thing is a Lowkey thing happening for rn

[wheat kindle]

Shadow was the first one teased as Batman

in terms of DC characters

[dawn pumice]

Don’t think it’ll have major projects til the 3rd year

Might just be comics and merch for rn

But the idea of dlc for this game could be some major hot cake sellers

Just for the possibilities they can pull

[wheat kindle]

Batman Shadow as pre-order bonus skin probably

[strange estuary]

Somebody did mention the new design of his car felt more Batman-coded...

[dawn pumice]

Wait is it a new car?

[sick bobcat]

Batman Shadow + Batmobile skin

[dawn pumice]

Thought it was the exact same

[strange estuary]

New subtle changes.

[wheat kindle]

it looks a bit more spiky

but it already looked like a batmobile to be fair

[strange estuary]

Sharp.

I like the new changes tho.

Even if they are subtle.

You know though, I didn't think of connecting this to the DC crossover.

But that's a maybe.

[wheat kindle]

https://x.com/wg_alen/status/1867423543128113345

AlenWG (Sonic Lore Master) (@wg_alen) on X

I HAVE A THEORY

Twitter · Dec 13, 2024, 4:17 AM

the other image is the paradox prism, used as a device to travel through worlds

also the portal is rainbow

like the prism (and rainbow road)

[strange estuary]

Yeah, we saw that one.

[wheat kindle]

they could use it in the story

to explain the game, I guess?

[strange estuary]

I still genuinely believe whoever thinks Prime isn't connected to this in any way is in denial.

[wheat kindle]

the designs were cool and it's what we are gonna see, maybe a New Yoke stage idk...

it's the only location that feels well built

[alpine wasp]

Yeah Prime is 100% canon at this point despite it's shit writing

but eh not the first time with a sonic game that has shit writing is canon

[lunar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-choso-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-insane-going-insane-gif-2924030561674659737

[wise chasm]

It's weird, because that portal just combines both Prime and the movie elements

[lunar trench]

Yeah

[wise chasm]

I dunn--fucking fuck this fucking stupid fuckass trailer

actually making me annoyed

can anyone just find a leak on 4chan that talks about it from long before this was announced lmao

[lunar trench]

😭

[atomic cave]

The giant ring portal reminds more of Shadow Gens, Frontiers, and Speed Sim imo

[wheat kindle]

the press mentions "characters from the Sonic series" so the focus is in fact on Sonic

[wise chasm]

Yeah, but the movie did it first

[strange estuary]

I wonder where Shadow Gens, Frontiers and Speed Sim got the idea from...

Could somebody remind me?

[atomic cave]

I think this is just their standardized method of showing teleportation across “dimensions” ever since

[wise chasm]

Well, first in more recent times, I'm not counting classic games like S1 or S3

[lunar trench]

Btw i didn't talk about this but like, the wheels heating up seems to be the sort of power than opens the portal ?

[wheat kindle]

it was in the movie

[atomic cave]

Sonic 3?

[wheat kindle]

since Sonic Movie 1

[strange estuary]

No.

[atomic cave]

No I’m pretty sure they did giant rings before the movie

[strange estuary]

The classic giant rings don't show the location in them.

Quit being silly.

[wheat kindle]

it was for special stages in classic games, but recently it was reintroduced in the first movie

[strange estuary]

And they also spin.

I think they're different enough.

[lunar trench]

Also this cgi looks exactly the same as the shadow gens launch trailer one

[scarlet ether]

Done by Marza it seems

They did state that they worked on that trailer

[hushed carbon]

https://x.com/sonicstadium/status/1867687629522608538

Sonic Stadium ✪ Sonic News & Fandom (on 🦋) (@sonicstadium) on X

Another piece of info for #SonicRacingCrossWorlds has been uncovered. The metadata from the SEGA Asia website says the following:

"Drift Across Dimensions! Race across land, sea, air, space, and time in Sonic Racing: CrossWorlds!"

#SonicNews

Twitter · Dec 13, 2024, 9:46 PM

has anyone brought this up?

[rugged otter]

think so in Games

[hushed carbon]

seems like transformed + switching environments mid-track? would be interesting if rather than entire tracks its randomly combined set pieces?

[rugged otter]

though it is curious how this basically implies ASRT sans SEGA

[untold kayak]

Yes, and it isn't really a rumor because it came from the official SEGA Asia accounts

[hushed carbon]

speculation about what more it can imply or how it manifests i guess :^y

[rugged otter]

I can always go for more, but my only issue is the roster (and with Sonic and such a concept it is not likely that you'll get that many characters since different vehicle types sorta count as almost their own characters) along with location choices

but it's all too soon to speculate on, still not enough info

[hushed carbon]

idk if mario kart 8 can have an insanely bloated cast with a multitude of vehicles that affect their stats... i'm not to worried about the cast for this one

(has faith that sega wont drop the ball at least LMAO)

[rugged otter]

thing is those are all vehicles everyone can drive, I meant like
if this is basically Sonic only ASRT, then every character will need their own unique three vehicles (car, plane,boat and maybe more?)
those all need to be textured, modeled, animated and etc

[atomic cave]

looks at mario kart 8's base roster

looks at the discourse that surrounded it

[rugged otter]

like if everyone only drove in car, I'd have more faith for a larger roster (though depends if the budget and time given isn't like TSRs, which used only cars)

[hushed carbon]

.... fuck right the exclusive vehicles... maybe they could do away with the exclusive vehicles and go for a parts system?

[rugged otter]

hmm I suppose they could, though the teaser is making me reconsider

[hushed carbon]

like how superstars does it, certain combinations will make a character's signature vehicle, but you're free to mix and match...?

[rugged otter]

then again they could pull a Riders with unqiue vehicles and some non unique ones

[hushed carbon]

ooh true

[sick bobcat]

yeah Riders has air shoes, hoverboards, and bikes
at minimum Sonic Racing Crossworlds should have three types of vehicles

[hushed carbon]

Seeing the prime-nispired logo, im sure it's been discussed before, but how are people feeling about skins?

... and references to prime in general 💀

[alpine wasp]

I feel like skins is the better outcome if having multiple chars

Never been a fond of seeing kart racer having multiple versions of the same char

Mario Kart 8 is so obnoxious for this

[hushed carbon]

rose gold peach 💀

[sick bobcat]

skins are fine as long as they dont take up a character slot

[alpine wasp]

It'll be even worse for Sonic's case because this series has so many chars people felt so passionate over

The rage will be FAR more loud compared to whatever mario kart has pulled

[atomic cave]

I'd be down for skins yeah

[sick bobcat]

like if I want say....play as Sonic wearing a hat, I want to pick Sonic's icon on the character select screen and it pulls up a menu of skins for him

I dont want Sonic with a hat be its own character slot

[alpine wasp]

exactly

[hushed carbon]

im sure sega isnt dumb enough to make skins take up a character slot, considering they have way too many skins to pick and choose from with speed battle and rumble and all prior games and stuff

[alpine wasp]

I feel like the only exceptions I'll say are the chars that stand enough on their own

[hushed carbon]

at most i can see like. werehog taking a different slot from sonic to account for a weight difference

[alpine wasp]

Yeah basically

I was about to bring up the werehog since they are essentially the same char

[hushed carbon]

imagine gamma being playable and his skins are his other brothers and sigma

doubt on gamma making it to the roster but imagine how cute itd be

[sick bobcat]

Classic Sonic I'm okay with getting his own slot, he has different size proportions and acknowledged to be his own character in-universe

[alpine wasp]

Classic sonic chars can easily be the "baby" version

But actually done right lmao

[atomic cave]

Classic better get the cyclone

Actually hang on

The apple arcade got him a while ago

YEEEEEAAAA

[alpine wasp]

Yeah you can essentially go with that

[atomic cave]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/sonic/images/7/73/SonicRacingClassicSonic.png/revision/latest?cb=20211026002104

[alpine wasp]

.....wait I just notice

Shadow's car

Hold on let me get the teaser

[rugged otter]

I'd be cool with this fuck if he came with the car

[alpine wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV5wnYM11pQ&ab_channel=SonictheHedgehog Do they look nearly the same?

[rugged otter]

it's a nice car

[atomic cave]

Nah they're slightly different

[alpine wasp]

Okay was making sure

Because I notice the similarities between the two

[atomic cave]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DueAWR2XcAAxxRr.png:large

[rugged otter]

shadow's car is very batmobile coded

[atomic cave]

Crazy how classic just has the better car like this

Cyclone doesn't miss

[rugged otter]

it's got a good color balance

[alpine wasp]

fr

[rugged otter]

I don't think Sonic's ASR/ASRT/TSR car are any bad but something about this is pretty effective

[atomic cave]

Basically the only character that has coloring that complements their primary color

Rather than just being that primary color

Wait I spoke too soon

[rugged otter]

the frog car from TSR is of the few newer designs in there that isn't quite bad

[atomic cave]

Yeah; Big, Vector, and Omega are all standouts in the crowd

[rugged otter]

Omega's is inspired, if he was driving a real car I'd actually be mad

[alpine wasp]

Big is that goated

🗿

[untold kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/big-the-cat-tuesday-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-big-gif-26829382

[hushed carbon]

here we go, my bets on who we'll see

[rugged otter]

i'd be complete if gemerl was in

[hushed carbon]

there's no way we're not getting the rouges and espio man

[alpine wasp]

I'll lose my shit if chaos and gamma somehow happened

[rugged otter]

I still remember some of the cope from the teaser for TSR for him 😭

[rugged otter]

nah Chaos should've always been in, idc if they're racing

[alpine wasp]

😔

[still epoch]

Oh shit thats a good list

Gimme

Pheo gimme the tierlist

[alpine wasp]

Chaos just has such a raw af design

[hushed carbon]

https://tiermaker.com/create/ultimate-sonic-characters-tierlist-games-2781

[alpine wasp]

Makes me glad Frontiers shows that too

[rugged otter]

Sage would be cool but feels like a pick that's obvious but they won't put in because
idk

[hushed carbon]

no no i get you, like she's so obvious as a pick that sega would do something stupid and not put her in

[rugged otter]

absolutely

like Infinite

[hushed carbon]

exactly 💀

im gonna be honest guys, even as a classic fan, i doubt we'll be seeing any classic racers aside from sonic

i will eat my own shoe if we get more than 4 classic racers ‼️

and we're definitely getting green hill /hj

[rugged otter]

Fang racing a modified Marvellous Queen lives in my dreams

[hushed carbon]

oh shit right need to modify some stuff