Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation

[hushed carbon]

i see...

is the story like... finished? or is it ongoing?

[plush moth]

I think finished

[hushed carbon]

so shadow's literally just there for kicks

DSFGDFHGDF

[plush moth]

yes because year of shadow

But knowing SEGA they’ll do something for him

[alpine wasp]

he's been in the files all along lmao

[plush moth]

like he sensed something was wrong, got trapped in the Reverie, is now trying to defeat the main evil and escape while also neutralizing said wrong thing

But it’ll be essentially shadow gens 2.0 on iPhone

[torn trench]

He finally got his first good night's sleep ever since he got out of that pod

[plush moth]

shadow mimir

[hushed carbon]

i wonder how theyll handle him?? like give him his own campaign? cause he cant do the glide and flight segments

[plush moth]

Though I’d imagine he also discovers Ariem but every time he sees her, the others are all gone like it’s just her and him

[torn trench]

They might give him chaos or doom powers or something

Im not really in a real rush to play it

[plush moth]

Speed? Running
Flight, Chaos Control
Strength, Chaos Spear

[forest fractal]

yeah im pretty sure those were just voice clips from dash 2 but yeah shadow seems to have his own story in it. Shadow Dream Team real af

[torn trench]

I still need to get my MacBook screen fixed and it overheats quicker than before

[hushed carbon]

i just hope maria isnt in it

like i can see them going with a "oh its just a dream so she can appear" but brotherrrr i think we're all exhausted out with maria plot points by now

[plush moth]

She can appear if she gets shot again

[forest fractal]

Dream Team doesnt really play into that aspect as much as Gens does so I dont think Maria will be in it

i could be wrong

maybe shadow goes through his dream scape and its fucking hell

[plush moth]

yea

[hushed carbon]

isnt dream team like cream's dreamscape?

like the main campaign

just as a refresher

[plush moth]

Tho I’d imagine he also like has conversations with Ariel but they coincidentally happen during times Team Sonic are gone

like it would just be her and him

[hushed carbon]

itd make sense, if the main game is dream like and then shadow's campaign represents the nightmare side of dreams

[plush moth]

Yea that could work

[forest fractal]

It's eggmans dreamscape through the lens of cream

Ego City starts to become more Eggmany tho

[hushed carbon]

ahhh i see

[torn trench]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-omens-shadow-why-gif-26706411

[hexed wraith]

Pepito when Tangle was mentioned in Frontiers

[plush moth]

ok so Maria is gonna appear

but she’s getting shot

[forest fractal]

Ig theres also Nightmare Maze that ig could be the transition of no longer being in Cream's lens and more into what Eggman actually sees

[plush moth]

LMFAO

💀

[forest fractal]

Tangle namedrop and she's still treated as a comic only character lmaoooo

[plush moth]

She’ll get integrated soon!

You’ll see!

[alpine wasp]

Woah you're super fast man

He said this yesterday

LMAO

[plush moth]

LMAO

[forest fractal]

suuuure and sticks will totally be there as well

[alpine wasp]

(I was going to post it but I thought it'd be sensitive)

[hexed wraith]

You know me, I love the sport quote memes

[plush moth]

sticks will not be there

but tangle will

[plush moth]

The best kind of quote memes

[hushed carbon]

i hope sonic team does a game that takes place in like. a regular place, i really wanna see how they can handle a main hub thats filled with characters, like soleanna but actually good

perfect way to showcase some idw characters as npcs too

[hexed wraith]

Actually

[wide portal]

give it time

[hexed wraith]

Can we start doing this for IDW moments??

[plush moth]

Yea see plug understands

[hexed wraith]

Like shadow’s “Cowards Run. I Win.”

[torn trench]

If she does then I'll draw her again

[plush moth]

who wrote that again

[forest fractal]

Ian

[hexed wraith]

Shadow

[wide portal]

Mr. Flynn

[plush moth]

Not the goat aside from Evan Stanley

[wide portal]

Give me 5 quotes and I’ll see what I can do when I get home

[alpine wasp]

Don't ruin it...

[hexed wraith]

Unfortunately I don’t actually read IDW, you’ll have to ask others

[hexed wraith]

You know it’d be funny

And probably be good engagement for the community

[plush moth]

“Kill yourself, Sonic.” Shadow issue 34 or some shit idk

[forest fractal]

Big oof

theres another

[wide portal]

“Big oof”
“Cowards run, I win”
“Utter scum…”

[forest fractal]

some yapathon about wanting the villains to redeem or that he wont changes his ideals

[plush moth]

[wide portal]

“Our last chat got cut a little short….now then, where were we?” In place of I got one more in me

[torn trench]

"Thanks for putting the chili on my dog"

Kms

[forest fractal]

yeah that was cringe

[plush moth]

He said it to Blaze too

[wide portal]

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-neon-genesis-evangelion-asuka-end-of-evangelion-disgusting-gif-26509316

[torn trench]

Not the Eva gif, man

[plush moth]

T pose

[wide portal]

That’s 5 ‼️

[lunar trench]

Nah this quote is fine (the first one i mean)

[untold kayak]

"And the world needs the legendary wind master"

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[plush moth]

Who said this again?

Oh nvm

I had a brain fart it was sonic wasn’t it

[alpine wasp]

He said this to Jet yes

couldn't remove the website watermark 😔

[untold kayak]

Yep, trying to convince Jet of helping out to get the emeralds of the deadly six

[plush moth]

Oooh ok

[alpine wasp]

Sonic just basically manipulate Jet's ego

[forest fractal]

damn IDW Sonic really be a manipulator, this yalls goat?

[alpine wasp]

tbf Jet is very easy to manipulate 💀

[untold kayak]

He didn't really manipulate Jet, he just appealed to his interests and got into a consensus

[plush moth]

damn IDW Sonic beat the guy that was 300x bigger than him with the power of an emerald, had electromagnetic powers, as well as deadly fire blasts? That’s ur goat?

[alpine wasp]

Okay tbf leo it's just my wording

[untold kayak]

Sonic gets Jet to help, Jet gets the credit, both win

Leo everytime there is a chance to slander the Deadly Six:

(I respect the grind)

[grand cobalt]

you say it more than he does atp

[plush moth]

Hi fizzle

[untold kayak]

@plush moth sjsjs

[plush moth]

I mean hey, you got me

I take any chance I can get to slander them

[hexed wraith]

you know who could prob do it

@lunar trench

but also me when I get home

and by “it” I mean making the memes

[lunar trench]

Wha

[forest fractal]

i dont

[hushed carbon]

this took way too long

[alpine wasp]

the tc logo

[lunar trench]

Erm, that's not issue 19 tho

[alpine wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/david-rose-gif-3214199033367100027

[plush moth]

Because ur the fake Bowser and Koopalings glazer

[plush moth]

It is issue 19 tho

I think

[hushed carbon]

it happens issue 19 but i got the image from issue uhhh around the range of issue 40~? he looks better there more dramatic LOL

[plush moth]

It’s from issue 60 I think

Lemme see

[wide portal]

issue #59

[plush moth]

issue 59

Yea

I had to reference volume 15: Urban Warfare

[hexed wraith]

LMAOOO

[wheat kindle]

The next Sonic game is not Heroes, it's beer pong probably

[hexed wraith]

I’d buy that 20 times if it meant we never get more heroes content

[wise chasm]

I hope it's Heroes, fuck it

[dawn pumice]

Same here

Been kinda wanting a heroes remake for the longest time

[wise chasm]

I like Heroes, if they make that but better, I'll be feasting

[dawn pumice]

Think that’s the game that most deserves it

Also heroes was my first sonic game

[hexed wraith]

Shadow 05 remake would be better

[dawn pumice]

So I have some nostalgia for that shit

[hexed wraith]

Unironically

[dawn pumice]

U know what

That’s actually sorta true

[wise chasm]

There's another game, the remake of which would be better, but I don't want to smite David again

[hexed wraith]

If that actually happens then it’ll be the last yall ever hear or see of me

It’ll be my last day on earth

[wheat kindle]

I just hope they don't make us play the game a thousand times to unlock the final story

[sick bobcat]

Heroes is inaccessible on modern consoles right now
I'll take a remake in a heartbeat

[ocean hollow]

Who get the TC Master Key then, Dakii or Syn?

[wheat kindle]

I wish it was SA1 not Heroes, still...

[sick bobcat]

an SA1 remake will come eventually

or a least a remaster

[alpine wasp]

SA1 remake is a far bigger scale and still too risky at Sonic Team right now

They need to fully deliver over next 3D Sonic game first

[hexed wraith]

Dakiii, but the truth is that Ryan still has ownership of this discord server

Otherwise we’d lose the partner status

[wheat kindle]

Of course, I always prefer new games but I do like that they are revisiting the franchise recently

[ashen sedge]

i can understand why it heroes

[wheat kindle]

It is not playable anywhere right now

[ashen sedge]

anywhere but pc

[wheat kindle]

Only on dolphin, I had it on disk but it stopped working 10 years ago lol

[ashen sedge]

the reason i think its the one getting a remake is due to shadow generations

like i think thats one of the main reasons

[wheat kindle]

Why?

[dawn pumice]

Reused assets @wheat kindle

Especially rail canyon and metal overlord

We also have new models for big and omega now

So now with shadow generations, we have every team represented

[ashen sedge]

specifically metal overlord's new va as well

[dawn pumice]

That too

[torn trench]

Is a chocola Chao in the game too?

[dawn pumice]

Uhhhh

Lemme check

[ashen sedge]

it will be hard to predict the next remake after heroes

[forest fractal]

nope

no chocola

[dawn pumice]

Funny enough no

[forest fractal]

shouldnt be too hard to reskin a chao to look lik em

[dawn pumice]

^^^

[ashen sedge]

do yall think the sonic heroes remake will add some short prequel storyline

[forest fractal]

but will they use the current models or do new ones if theyre using ue5?

[ashen sedge]

like about metal sonic

[forest fractal]

Ofc they'll be some prequel thing

[dawn pumice]

Idk really

[forest fractal]

an animated short

a comic

all the tie ins

[dawn pumice]

I don’t think the models would allow for that kind of animation?

[forest fractal]

its been a consistent thing since forces really

[dawn pumice]

If they want to keep the animations consistent they might need new models?

[ashen sedge]

im talking about like an extra within the game

[dawn pumice]

I think characters like Vector Omega and Big are good

[ashen sedge]

call it
episode metal /j

[dawn pumice]

But I def think the speed types would need some sort of rework?

Cuz ngl, I can’t see this model for Sonic doing that run

[forest fractal]

They just need to be less slippy

and maybe not rely on everything outside of the level geometry to be a death plain

[ashen sedge]

its insane to think sonic heroes will have an even better visual look of rail canyon

[dawn pumice]

But I def think we’re not getting cgi cutscenes

Not in a long shot

[ashen sedge]

like the remake

[forest fractal]

Yeah the animation quality is good enough to no longer need CG

[dawn pumice]

They’re gonna try and “impress” everyone by having everything in engine

Especially if it’s UE5

They gonna try and push everything that the UE5 can do

[ashen sedge]

i just hope the models of the heroes remake arent too modern

[wide portal]

current

[dawn pumice]

I’m calling half and half

[forest fractal]

it'll be on brand to the current modern sonic look

[wide portal]

itd be the least amount of work

[forest fractal]

if they do make new models

[ashen sedge]

do yall think metal overlords ma will also voice neo metal

[dawn pumice]

I think only like 3-4 are getting tweaked looks

[wide portal]

true, but i still dont think they'll go for new ones

[forest fractal]

man i really hope its roger

[dawn pumice]

Same

[forest fractal]

You just gotta

[wide portal]

at most, maybe cream will look a little different compared to her gens counterpart

but thats it

[dawn pumice]

I think sonic and Amy might get some sort of rework

[wide portal]

oh yeah they'll have to create a Neo Metal Sonic model as well

[dawn pumice]

That too

[forest fractal]

Will they keep the Heroes fit for Rouge?

[dawn pumice]

100%

[ashen sedge]

and metal madness

[dawn pumice]

I def don’t think they’ll change rouges outfit if it’s a remake

They’ll prob keep everything close as possible

[ashen sedge]

i just hope there isnt a lot of rewritting in the cutscenes

[dawn pumice]

Ehhh

[forest fractal]

well they'll change amy for sure

[dawn pumice]

I think they’re gonna change Amy 100%

[wide portal]

was there any explanation as to why rouge had a different outfit

[forest fractal]

nope

[dawn pumice]

Still gonna be lovestruck

But not gonna be that stalkerish

[forest fractal]

she just wanted to be stay fresh for that one time

[ashen sedge]

i still find it unbelievable a heroes remake is even happening

[dawn pumice]

I find it unbelievable that a sonic remake is happening

First actual remake in 35 years

[sick bobcat]

man
I wonder how stages like Hang Castle and Egg Fleet will look in UE5

[dawn pumice]

Same

[forest fractal]

gorgeous

[ashen sedge]

not surprised they choosed heroes as their first one

[dawn pumice]

I can’t wait to see seaside hill

[forest fractal]

Egg Fleet in current gen graphics will make me bust

[dawn pumice]

Or just sonic in general in UE5

A sonic game

[forest fractal]

esp that money shot looking down at the entire fleet

[dawn pumice]

In the unreal engine

Not even HE2

[ashen sedge]

that metal overlord fight in ue5 though

[dawn pumice]

This is the best / most innovative engine in the market

[sick bobcat]

also
for once SEGA won't have to worry about delisting original Sonic Heroes, its not available on modern consoles to begin with :D

[ashen sedge]

theres supposed to be lighting during the metal overlord fight right

[forest fractal]

probably

[dawn pumice]

I’m just moreso interested

[plush moth]

Ngl stalker Amy always me uncomfortable and hopefully they’ll change that once I beat you, you’ll have to marry me line in the heroes remake

[forest fractal]

they can go crazy with the weather effects

[dawn pumice]

On what it is in terms of a remake

Like

What new shit are they gonna add?

[forest fractal]

drop dash

[ashen sedge]

obviously visuals will be completly remade

thats 1 thing

[dawn pumice]

New VAs

[plush moth]

Graphics and visuals

[forest fractal]

Karen Rouge again...

[dawn pumice]

I’m still thinking we’re getting a new team / or a new side story

[ashen sedge]

the sonic heroes remake will have a tie in to something

[plush moth]

We can go back to the old days u know

[ashen sedge]

trust me when i say this

[plush moth]

All I’m saying is that if it doesn’t have a dlc for a team IDW I’m pissed

[wide portal]

dont forget mike 🗿

[ashen sedge]

sonic colors remaster had movie cosmetics
sonic x shadow gens has a movie shadow dlc coming

what could sonic heroes remake have

[dawn pumice]

Team Classic is prob the most possible for a new team imo

[wide portal]

this would make no sense heroes takes place waaaay before any of those characters wouldve met each other

[dawn pumice]

^^^

[forest fractal]

crazy how eggman was acting mad zionist in heroes

[alpine wasp]

LEOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-punch-kuze-video-game-gif-17689093

[ashen sedge]

and team classic turns out to be sonic mighty and ray

[plush moth]

https://tenor.com/view/sr-pelo-mokey-show-gif-24087618

[wide portal]

its why i think mighty/ray/trip as a potential new team would be more likely. its a good way to reintroduce them to modern

[sick bobcat]

drop dash will 100% be in
question is, will it be a Sonic only move or a Speed character ability

[alpine wasp]

5 teams would be huge

they'd beat their record

[ashen sedge]

well that is the code name of the remake

[dawn pumice]

I think 3 teams are possible

Team Classic - Trip, Mighty, Ray (most possible imo)

Team Hooligan- Fang, Bark, Bean (ehh 50/50)

Team Future - Silver, Blaze, Marine/Sticks??? (They’re putting the events in order behind the scenes so they’re not spotted)

[plush moth]

I just wanted IDW😭

[ashen sedge]

i have an idea for a prequel story for heroes

[forest fractal]

Well Hooligan is no more since the Fang miniseries has them disband

[ashen sedge]

however the team would involve metal as the leader

[dawn pumice]

So

Metal Mighty and Ray?

[alpine wasp]

Thank you IDW 😄

😄

[plush moth]

hopefully we can see bark and bean again someday

[alpine wasp]

😄

[forest fractal]

i dont think there'll be a new team added

[ashen sedge]

if sega is insane enough

[dawn pumice]

I mean

[ashen sedge]

they can make team metal tails doll and metal knuckles

[dawn pumice]

That was their beta team?

[plush moth]

see? IDW isn’t all that bad

[wide portal]

they can always just say they got back together later 🗿

[dawn pumice]

Metal Mighty and Ray were initially on the beta teams in Sonic Heroes

[untold kayak]

Mighty, Ray and Trip would be cool

[forest fractal]

and rouge was gonna be in team rose

[ashen sedge]

very odd choice of a team too

[lunar trench]

Hooligans

[dawn pumice]

I could see the vision with team metal

[lunar trench]

https://tenor.com/view/thierry-henry-gif-27347450

[plush moth]

Team IDW

(Team future)

[forest fractal]

Metal Sonic, Metal Knuckles and Metal Tails lezgo

[wide portal]

leo its not gonna happen 😭

[ashen sedge]

maybe a prequel metal story will tell us where metal sonic was before the events of sonic heroes @dawn pumice

[forest fractal]

tails doll for the streets

[wide portal]

neither is team future, unless they get their own subplot about something possibily disrupting the timeline and rewriting the past so they have to go back and stop it

[plush moth]

[dawn pumice]

I think team future is possible due to them running the same events as heroes, but they’re making all the events come together without being stopped / seen

Like

Pulling the strings in the back

[ashen sedge]

like if sonic 4 is considered canon
than metal's story would continue after those events

[plush moth]

Honestly? Could work

[dawn pumice]

Do we know what happened to metal after the events of heroes?

[untold kayak]

he was reprogrammed by Eggman

[forest fractal]

nope

[untold kayak]

as we see him once more in rivals

[dawn pumice]

There ya go

[plush moth]

Eggman removed the rebelliousness from his coding, made him more obedient, had him as a secret weapon in Forces as Neo Metal, Sonic ruined everything alr

[forest fractal]

the next time we see metal is in rivals where eggman nega reprogammed him to serve him\

[plush moth]

Eggman what

[dawn pumice]

Mighty and Ray find him abandoned, metal tricks them to bringing him back to eggman nega

[ashen sedge]

theres a reason why i think sonic 4 happens before heroes @dawn pumice its because in episode metal we still see metal sonic in little planet

[forest fractal]

sonic 4 could replace pocket adventure as that transistion game between the last classic timeline game before SA1

[ashen sedge]

however since sonic 4 never finished as a series
does it count as canon

[forest fractal]

yes

white park is in idw

[wide portal]

Winter Park reappears in IDW

[ashen sedge]

i see

[wide portal]

White*

[strange estuary]

... We had Neo Metal in Forces?

[ashen sedge]

idw techically says we did

its just he never appeared

because by the time he was ready the war was finished

[untold kayak]

in IDW they contextualize Metal's absense of forces by saying he was being prepared but it took way too long

[forest fractal]

even sonic commented about the actual metal not being around in forces

[plush moth]

We were going to, but right after he was finished, Sonic had alr ruined everything, and since Eggman was missing, it ties up with IDW being that he was looking for Eggman to pass over control to him

[untold kayak]

That was a cool thing

[ashen sedge]

imagine if neo metal had his hands on the phantom ruby

[untold kayak]

goated idw for that

[ashen sedge]

he could have copied its data

[strange estuary]

Oh, is that why he's present in IDW in his Neo form?

[forest fractal]

ok overclocked

[plush moth]

So in the meantime he had copied Eggman’s biodata and feigned as a fake Eggman of sorts

[untold kayak]

if it is the original, it would be extremely dangerous

[plush moth]

Yea

[dawn pumice]

But I def see it either having an extra team after the events of heroes

Or it’s a new team or two during the events and it’s gonna be a rewrite in some sort of way

In which I prefer the latter ngl

[wide portal]

plot twist its FF7R but Sonic and it goes completely off the rails

[untold kayak]

I'dlike an expansion of heroes story

[ashen sedge]

what if we get a team that bascially tells us whats after heroes

[untold kayak]

like make it bigger and make the connections through the story way more prominent

[alpine wasp]

I honestly expect a latter

[strange estuary]

One new team is more than enough, I can't imagine two.

[alpine wasp]

But however

[untold kayak]

kinda like sonic 3 and Knuckles

[alpine wasp]

Even whether choice

It has to be on a chars that is before heroes

[dawn pumice]

^^^

I think the only exception I can make it a team silver

Since u can bs with the idea that they’re never spotted

But anyone else like IDW

na

[ashen sedge]

do yall think the purple haired woman is connected to the heroes remake

[alpine wasp]

No

[dawn pumice]

Ehhhh

[strange estuary]

Hmm.

[dawn pumice]

20% yes 80% no

[strange estuary]

I won't rule it out, but I find it extremely unlikely.

[dawn pumice]

If it is connected to heroes

Then it’s def post content stuff

[forest fractal]

shes gonna be in frontiers 2

[ashen sedge]

i think sega might be starting a trend with these remakes/remaster

like adding missing lore

[alpine wasp]

I feel like for heroes it'll be mainly metal sonic

[ashen sedge]

makes sense

[alpine wasp]

The entire heroes story is mainly metal sonic's return

[ashen sedge]

question is how did it happen

[alpine wasp]

yeah

[ashen sedge]

that could work as an extra story

[alpine wasp]

I feel like doing a metal sonic prologue works far better

[forest fractal]

yeah we'll def get a prequel short about how eggman came to make neo metal and seeing his heelturn

[ashen sedge]

similar to sonic 4 episode 2

[alpine wasp]

While Metal Sonic finding out about Chaos and Shadow since he never met them

[ashen sedge]

maybe we will see metal sonic in that green tube we saw him in sa1

[alpine wasp]

I feel like that's where they will do if doing a prologue

[ashen sedge]

sonics lines in the remake def wont feel the same for me if its roger

[grand cobalt]

Imo the best way to approach this is to just not make the story and dialogue verbatim

Follow the same plot structure but do different stuff with it,,

[forest fractal]

if they do they have to acknowledge mecha mk3

[loud zinc]

Best part is we can acc play the game above 60fps on modern consoles

Sega can’t cap it at 60 for ps5 and xbox series x

[dawn pumice]

Fr

120fps heroes

[hushed carbon]

the thinf with the purple girl and heroes remake is... i cant think of a way for her to be inserted into the story

[strange estuary]

It'd obviously have to be rewritten in some form.

Which I don't think people would be fond of.

[hushed carbon]

its gonna be a pretty significant revisionism that'd feel unnecessary

like yeah, heroes is kinda shallow but its still a complete story

there're no glaring plotholes or whatever that would require a rewrite

[untold kayak]

I don't think you have to have plotholes or such to do a rewrite of a story

Sometimes it can be done simply to try to find a new angle of a story, expand upon it or another

Obviously, keeping the original intent is the ideal outcome regardless

[hexed wraith]

there’s no plotholes but the dialogue is awful in most cases

[plush moth]

It looks better in true motion

[dawn pumice]

I mean, she could be post story

[hushed carbon]

im fine with like, append stories, like providing the pov of a different set of characters or a post-game thing, esp since the nature of sonic heroes being an omnibus type story thing makes it easier to

[hushed carbon]

💀 the script 100% needs a coat of fresh paint

[strange estuary]

Sonic Flynneroes time!

[hexed wraith]

i’ll just rip the bandaid off now

[forest fractal]

I think the thing I want a Heroes remake to do is play into the teamups. Have that banter with all the personalities.

[dawn pumice]

Ya heroes dialogue kinda buns, it needs the Flynn rewrite

[atomic cave]

I'd say removing the inane tutorialized rambling is one of the fastest ways to improve both it and ShTH

[hexed wraith]

Flynn could replace the entire game script with a musical featuring all of heroes’ lyrical songs and it’d still be better than the original dialogue

[strange estuary]

Wait, I wasn't being serious-

[dawn pumice]

FR

[hexed wraith]

We lose nothing by replacing it

[dawn pumice]

in total agreement

[hushed carbon]

doesn't even need to be flynn like atp i think any competent writer can come up with a more natural sounding script for heroes LOL

[strange estuary]

[sick bobcat]

I want Flynn to remove repeating dialogue in gameplay

[hexed wraith]

of course the usual suspects don’t like what i have to say

[sick bobcat]

its so annoying

[atomic cave]

Yeah that'd be good

[dawn pumice]

There’s cheesy dialogue, and then theres dialogue that’s just too cheesy that it’s considered just shit writing

[forest fractal]

Get Maekawa to write Heroes again and he’ll do better

[untold kayak]

That won't happen because of the dialogue but more so the programming

[atomic cave]

Pin isn't a usual suspect smh

[hexed wraith]

I’ll get SynMania to rewrite it

[wide portal]

BRO ONTO NOTHING ‼️

[untold kayak]

Like if you assign a line to a specific trigger, the trigger will repeat it regardless

[hexed wraith]

yes they are

[hushed carbon]

idk when that 15th woah my heads spinning hits is my favorite part of the game

[hexed wraith]

you wouldn’t know the lore bc you weren’t here

[atomic cave]

There's like, two lines that are too cheesy?

[hushed carbon]

or when knuckles says hawk tuah each time he attacks an enemy

[strange estuary]

I think Heroes' writing is for the most part pretty fine, I don't see what'd be so wrong with it.

[hexed wraith]

look at all those eggman’s robots

[dawn pumice]

I think most of it is either ideally weird or just insanely cheesy

[atomic cave]

That is not cheesy, that's a bad translation lol

[wide portal]

its gonna get corrected to "look at all those badniks!"

[sick bobcat]

as the #1 Sonic fan, I say that Ian Flynn should get a college degree in programming and fix the dialogue

[atomic cave]

"Look at all of eggman's robots!" isn't bad at all

[untold kayak]

lmao

[strange estuary]

I'm going to die.

[hexed wraith]

this is why i kept using the word DIALOGUE and not STORY

Like

The words they are saying

Replace all that shit

[atomic cave]

Sigh

[hushed carbon]

be fr!!!

[hexed wraith]

or “writing”

[strange estuary]

Keep the Team Sonic and Team Dark's original interaction in Lost Jungle at least??

[hexed wraith]

i was zeroing in on the dialogue because that’s specifically what i see as the problem

[dawn pumice]

Honestly, “look at all those badniks” is 10x better

[alpine wasp]

DAVIIIIIIID

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-punch-kuze-video-game-gif-17689093

[wide portal]

ehhhhhh

[alpine wasp]

I do hope they keep the interactions honestly

[atomic cave]

There's multiple aspects of what makes dialog shit though

[wide portal]

OW

[hexed wraith]

I agree

[alpine wasp]

They are one of the best part of Heroes imho

[wide portal]

YOU PUNCHED ME INSTEAD ‼️

[hushed carbon]

also i think what makes that line mlre annoying is that its not even rjght... "look at all those eggman's robots" is clunky

[strange estuary]

They referenced it in SxSG! You can't just remove it now...

[alpine wasp]

Actually this got me thinking

[alpine wasp]

well deserved

[hexed wraith]

shit translation + no effort lol

[wide portal]

true

[atomic cave]

Voice acting delivery, wording, whether it matches the other lines in the dialog or not

[alpine wasp]

After with frontiers will they flesh out heroes combat over it?

Like giving flight chars better options, expanding the power chars,a nd the speed chars having their own abilities?

[wide portal]

id replace "talk about being stubborn and full of surprises" with "talk about flying fast and dying hard!" or something

[atomic cave]

The 2000s up to 06 were atrotious regarding all of this

[hexed wraith]

I agree!

[hushed carbon]

im gonna be so fr a lot of the dubbing in early sonic games were... not great.

[untold kayak]

I'd say it should be "Heh, guess I am not the only one who dies hard"

[atomic cave]

Secret Rings was where things improved but the VAs still had some room to grow

[hexed wraith]

All of it is unbelievably sloppy, it’s just that i think heroes got it the worst

SA2 probably right behind it for me

That game really suffered from bad translation/adaptation

[alpine wasp]

Oh they clearly weren't

[hushed carbon]

shoutout to that one dude who got his children to voice cream? and tails, its charming and really heartwarming as a family person, but also god why did they not get proper VAs

[alpine wasp]

But at the same time it was at the time were dubbing were....... flawed

[atomic cave]

there's still a lot of standouts in terms of energy and good lines in heroes tho

[alpine wasp]

Sonic is just very noticeable for this

[hexed wraith]

Sure

[plush moth]

Especially that once I beat your ass, you’ll marry me line

[atomic cave]

Amy and Vector are iconic 💀

[forest fractal]

Heroes Vector’s voice had a different vibe then the went with the more comical voice from X onwards

[hexed wraith]

my bad yall

[forest fractal]

OH BROOOOTHER

[alpine wasp]

DAMN I WAS GOING TO REPLY IT

[plush moth]

LMAO

[hushed carbon]

vector's "Who's this broad" is funny as hell i havr to admit

[wide portal]

"its a joke its supposed to be funny" hey guys if the majority audience finds it offputting instead of funny it may have been a bad joke

[plush moth]

DAVID😭

[alpine wasp]

Vector saying that to rouge is great honestly

[atomic cave]

"If it's about a date, it'll have to wait"

[alpine wasp]

He has no fucking idea who even is rouge lmao

Keep that kind of interaction plz

[strange estuary]

That's like the one part that's bad (and doesn't make sense). It's definitely a benefit to have that gone.

[alpine wasp]

Them beefing each others is great

[forest fractal]

They’ll never keep broad

[wide portal]

yeah thats gone

[hexed wraith]

imagine they double tripled down on this in the remake

[alpine wasp]

😔

[atomic cave]

I was thinking

[plush moth]

They need to

[dawn pumice]

Never

[atomic cave]

They could salvage this

[forest fractal]

Current SEGA are spineless after all

[dawn pumice]

LMAAAOO

[forest fractal]

No balls

[untold kayak]

😭

[plush moth]

YES PLUG PERFECT

[alpine wasp]

AYOOOOOOO

LMFAO

[plush moth]

WHO’S THIS BITCH WOULD FIT

[prime hearth]

They should get them back as adults to redub the lines for a laugh

[plush moth]

UTTER PEAK

[hushed carbon]

i didnt even know the word broad since english is my second language but i remember being a kid and thinking "damn whats this lizard's problem?"

[prime hearth]

deepest tails voice let’s GOOOO

[dawn pumice]

I’m just hearing that shit come out of Keith’s mouth is hilarious

[sick bobcat]

I find it funny Sonic and Amy mentiom dates before a fight

[wide portal]

somehow deeper than frontiers "its not an eggman robot..."

[atomic cave]

Here's the thing, they could make it work

IF the in-game dialog was reworked into a more goofy leadup cutscene to the fight

[plush moth]

None of you saw that

[atomic cave]

Bc the dialog goes from goofy to serious

And then they lock in over chocola and froggy

[alpine wasp]

ALtho I do like how Charmy called Team Dark "bad guys"

it somehow fit just by first impression

[alpine wasp]

now that you're 18 i can call you anal plug

Especially with fucking Omega

[atomic cave]

So just add a bit of comedy before the fight and boom, everything's the same AND there's no dissonance

[plush moth]

Ngl I would have liked it if Team Dark had said “not evil, anti heroes.”

[wide portal]

"Amy, what are you doing here??"
"I'll ask the questions, mister! Now what have you done with Froggy and Chocola!"

[zinc spear]

I'm still not really big on metal having a voice ngl

[alpine wasp]

nah

[hushed carbon]

100% i need them to keep this vibe. esp since this is the first time most of them are meeting each other or something

[plush moth]

anal plug

[alpine wasp]

Ruins the smack

SHIT

WRONG REPLY

💀

[atomic cave]

No no no that's all wrong

[alpine wasp]

I meant to leo bro LMAO

[atomic cave]

Cream and Big aren't even sure it's Sonic at first

[strange estuary]

It's all he ever needed to be an interesting character.

[untold kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[atomic cave]

They're just asking him if he knows

[wide portal]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-back-dog-golden-retriever-back-golden-retriever-scared-golden-retriever-disgusted-gif-26048691

[forest fractal]

Making the callback from SA2 more clear would help alleviate things. Cause they’re gonna be fighting but Team Sonic won’t be taking that serious and saying there’s some misunderstanding going on.

Metropolis Mayhem kinda has the right vibe ngl

[alpine wasp]

Honestly?

It'll only make sense with just team sonic and amy

Chaotix has 0 idea w ho they even are

[wide portal]

id just replace it with a different callback

[alpine wasp]

Cream is very young

And Big is.........

yeah lmao

[zinc spear]

mmmmmm yeah I'm thinking no.

[forest fractal]

Big is chill but will fight for his oomfies

[plush moth]

Why is his name big again?

[dawn pumice]

Ya Chaotix would not know who team rose is

[atomic cave]

Based

[wide portal]

"It's too late, Sonic! If I beat you in this fight, you'll have to resp-" nvm thats bad

thats bad

[hushed carbon]

they need to keep that "then itll be a date to die for" line for shadow, cause they already referenced it in shadow gens

[alpine wasp]

yeah Chaotix never met Amy LMAO

But real talk

I would have love chaotix to meet team sonic

[plush moth]

“It’s too late, Sonic! Hand over the Chao!”

[alpine wasp]

Especially with Knuckles

[hushed carbon]

its a silly shadow line they need to keep his silliness

[strange estuary]

respect?

[wide portal]

do you think theyll do the missing rival battles (sonic v chaotix, dark v rose)

[zinc spear]

that just feels like a reductive way to view the character but also storytelling. saying 'oh he cant be interesting without speaking!' feels dumb

[alpine wasp]

I honestly hope so plug

I would have love to see Amy's reaction to Shadow

While Big and Cream are going all confused

.......wait I just realize

[hushed carbon]

they need to expand team rose campaign im being so serious

[wide portal]

i guess it really depends on the execution

[alpine wasp]

HOLD UP I JUST REALIZE

[zinc spear]

at most, I can accept Neo Metal speaking

[sick bobcat]

"Hey! You're that black hedgehog!"

[wide portal]

are they gonna add more cutscenes?? are they gonna be longer?

[strange estuary]

They haven't made him interesting at all without speaking in any official game. I won't change my mind until they can do it.

[alpine wasp]

Big may assume Omega is Gamma and started to go like, "Your the robot who took my Froggy earlier!"

[dawn pumice]

Honestly, prob not, they’ll give it to a new team imo

[alpine wasp]

And omega will be questioned over that

[plush moth]

“Whoa! Amy, that’s kinda fucked up. Why is the first thing you notice about me is that I’m black?”

[alpine wasp]

[atomic cave]

He hasn't been interesting in any game since Heroes

[wide portal]

[atomic cave]

Otoh

[zinc spear]

Well no shit he's only been a main focus in like, 2 whole games 💀

[atomic cave]

He has been interesting in IDW

And that's when he wasn't speaking

[wide portal]

He hasn't been in any mainline games since come to think of it

[plush moth]

the police are at my door

[wide portal]

save for like Gens

[strange estuary]

Plus, his voice for his Neo form is very fitting. I personally love it.

[wide portal]

but like

[plush moth]

help

[wide portal]

that doesnt count

[forest fractal]

He’s there in Colors Ultimate

[zinc spear]

And. from a broader perspective there are so many moments in films, games, whatever where saying nothing, speaks volumes.

[wide portal]

neither does Forces phantom clones, thats not the Character Metal

[plush moth]

Colors ultimate isn’t mainline, it’s a remake

[hushed carbon]

they need to take some cues from that one metal sonic story in the 2021 idw annual. .. and also the mania adventures/colors ultimate animations. there is 100% a way to convey character and emotion without using words but they need to utilise framing, body language and sound design

[sick bobcat]

I love how Team Chaotix's story is just
"we need to go pay our rent"

[dawn pumice]

Remaster 🤓

[zinc spear]

Hell this series used to thrive on actions over words for its storytelling.

[alpine wasp]

It honestly works lmao

[plush moth]

[untold kayak]

It works for them, honestly

[plush moth]

Is this how you guys feel when I correct you

[strange estuary]

You're asking me to read a bunch of Sonic comics myself, am not interested in that unfortunately.

[forest fractal]

Chaotix’s story should def play more into the comical aspect

[untold kayak]

Just workers trying to get some money for a living

[alpine wasp]

Agreed

[untold kayak]

As long as it isn't like X comical and more so IDW comical side, agree

[plush moth]

Agreed

[strange estuary]

I'm all for the games aside from the movies (which even then are a different thing).

[atomic cave]

That leaves you at the disadvantage then

[alpine wasp]

Well since Chaotix is very relevant in IDW we are most likely getting that

[untold kayak]

Based, the chaotix are so great in IDW

[plush moth]

You could just watch Adrenaline Dubs for it

[wide portal]

i wonder if theyll incorporate Nite and Don somehow

[alpine wasp]

Also keep Sonic's reaction over not giving a fuck Shadow is alive LMAO

[dawn pumice]

Def feel they should play into “they’re in huge debt” more, and that rent is really due

Instead of just “we got a gig!”

[alpine wasp]

I'm sorry but I love that snarky ass hedgehog doing that

[untold kayak]

That would be cool

[wide portal]

IDW establishes them as long term partners of the Chaotix, which makes them the only comic characters that could be introduced retroactively without causing timeline fuckery

[alpine wasp]

Tails and Knuckles reacted over Shadow while Sonic is vibing

[forest fractal]

Dark’s story should still keep the lingering mystery if the Shadow we’re seeing is the real one or a fake.

[plush moth]

Shadow begins crying because his bf doesn’t remember him

[untold kayak]

Nite was chown in a classic sonic story

[hushed carbon]

i think heroes could stand tk be a bit sillier, it feels very slapstick, i wish theyd backport the riders humor into heroes

[alpine wasp]

Leo I swear to fucking christ

[untold kayak]

so you can just introduce him like nothing

[wide portal]

i mean for the sake of leading into sth2005 which provides the actual answer, yeah sure

[plush moth]

ok I’ll stop sorry

[alpine wasp]

It's cool

[plush moth]

I’ll go back into my corner

[strange estuary]

Well, at least I'm not influenced by the millions of debates I've seen over it.

[alpine wasp]

But yeah for Team Dark should lean more over mystery

Team Sonic straight and simple to the point

Team Rose......... ummmmmmm

[forest fractal]

Rose’s story, I’d say should be about Amy trying to be a leader uplifting Cream and Big when they feel down but also Amy still kinda boy crazy which gets her into shenanigans

[zinc spear]

fun shit

[atomic cave]

Team Dark should remain the same 100%'

[sick bobcat]

Shadow has amnesia and when he sees Sonic, he wants to kill him over a date with Eggman 😂

[alpine wasp]

Nvm soni already got it covered lmao

[plush moth]

Agreed

[strange estuary]

Elaborate on Eggman sending Rouge to release Shadow and Omega to protect him.

[still epoch]

What ya talkin bout

[plush moth]

sonic heroes

[atomic cave]

[strange estuary]

Since they did that in the SxSG dialogue.

[alpine wasp]

Heroes remake

[wide portal]

Heroes remake stuff

[strange estuary]

You know.

[torn trench]

Hey y'all slop here

[alpine wasp]

Since we have a lot to talk about it

[wide portal]

wait, eggman sent rouge to find shadow?

what are you talking about

[forest fractal]

I really want Team Sonic’s story to have something interesting going for it instead of being a vehicle to get people question what’s everyone else up to

[hushed carbon]

and then team hooligan can be similar to chaotix where theyre trying to chase after eggman for undue fees

[zinc spear]

You could still have that looming presence and threat of something greater within team sonic's story

[plush moth]

ur not slop tho

[torn trench]

Oh it's more heroes talk

[strange estuary]

That's kind of a theory I think, we don't know the reason why she's there IIRC?

[atomic cave]

Eeeeeeeh

[zinc spear]

Just enough to keep you guessing but not enough for team sonic to notice

[torn trench]

https://tenor.com/view/m4rkdoll-gif-5238933771739046910

[alpine wasp]

Actually you know what?

[plush moth]

bye Leaph

have good day

[alpine wasp]

I can see for team sonic is noticing something up and finding Neo Metal Sonic

[plush moth]

Could work

[alpine wasp]

Since those 3 has the most involvement over that metal doopelganger

[wide portal]

i mean its not like it was a twist in the original heroes either, so

[atomic cave]

They could give Team Sonic a neo metal fight

[zinc spear]

I'd imagine Sonic brushing it off more or less

[atomic cave]

[alpine wasp]

Yeah exactly

[strange estuary]

Like she's just on a mission to release Shadow and then they meet him and Omega.

[alpine wasp]

To deleter is what I meant

[strange estuary]

It's not elaborated.

[alpine wasp]

Well obviously lmao

[forest fractal]

Only Tails mentioned something was off after the Egg Albatross fight

Not much lead up after that

[hushed carbon]

she couldve been sent by gun...m

[atomic cave]

She's hunting for Eggman treasure though

[alpine wasp]

Yeah I think that should be something they could do more with

[plush moth]

Honestly? Could be like the beginning Giganto fight where they all hit him, it does nothing to him, he copies their biodata and whoops all their asses, which would result in the hunting for the emeralds

[atomic cave]

She does this throughout the entire game

[wide portal]

jewels my pretty, jewels, jewels

[zinc spear]

I guess each of them could maybe come across metal dopplegangers (that aren't the real metal sonic) for them to beat up, which could be how metal gathers the lifeform data.

[atomic cave]

The "treasure" was Shadow in both cases

Both the original and the androids

[alpine wasp]

Oh yeah for sure

[plush moth]

To try and take him down before Neo Metal does manage to take over the world in 72 hours

[alpine wasp]

Chaotix I guess will be the exception since Metal Sonic has no purpose over them

[strange estuary]

Okay, but who sent her for this very secret Eggman treasure... and why Shadow specifically...

[wide portal]

they could take the superstars approach and show the other teams fucking around in the backgrounds of stages

[wide portal]

she sent herself

[forest fractal]

I do think it would be dope if do get a brief Neo Metal fight and he just copies everyone’s data and just turns into Metal Madness from there

[alpine wasp]

Since Team Sonic is a no brainer. Shadow because ultimate life form. Team Rose because Cheese and Froggy having relation to Chaos

[plush moth]

You know rouge, she sent herself

[untold kayak]

That would be cool

[atomic cave]

She's a spy who regularly wants to rob Eggman, she sent herself

[forest fractal]

That could be a dope idea for visual storytelling

[atomic cave]

She got wind of something valuable and wanted it

[untold kayak]

How about if Metal sends her?

[plush moth]

Anywhere where she thinks gold, jewels, or valuables could be located, that’s where she’ll head

[strange estuary]

You're all boring, I want to leave.

[atomic cave]

YOURE boring

[plush moth]

no pls don’t leave

[untold kayak]

Like obviously she doesn't know but Metal gives her the information of 'Eggman's secret treasure' so she can release Shadow and obtain his data

[alpine wasp]

Honestly Team Dark should be left unchanged story wisse

I feel like how they started it off is perfect

[strange estuary]

Look who's the one talking to a boring person.

[alpine wasp]

Actually... just intros in general

[hushed carbon]

she couldve been sent by gun like at first to gather intel on eggman but then runs into shadow

[wide portal]

id lean more into the mystery element of it all

[plush moth]

but ur not boring

[alpine wasp]

Same, plug

I feel like the mystery element can easily work the best for Team Dark

[wide portal]

...i might also remove shadow's catharsis at egg fleet

[alpine wasp]

"Space!?"

[atomic cave]

Boring? I think you're the boring one here... you're comparing yourself to me? Ha! You're not even interesting enough to be my fake

[zinc spear]

It doesn't even so much have to be about 'oh is it metal sonic' but more what he's planning

[forest fractal]

I think I prefer it being Rouge is just on one of her heists and it was by complete coincidence that she found Shadow

[plush moth]

Yea

Agreed

[wide portal]

"im still the ultimate lifeform" is a hard line but it probably makes more sense to leave it hanging so it flows more naturally into his solo game

[strange estuary]

I'll kill you.

[untold kayak]

Ian Flynn ass response

[atomic cave]

You won't even get the chance...

[wide portal]

Ian Flynn speech bubble

[forest fractal]

I want to hear Roger’s take on “Let’s get this party started” with smug glee

[zinc spear]

sounds like a date to die for

[plush moth]

I’ll kill you both if u don’t stop arguing

[wide portal]

i can literally hear him saying this

[atomic cave]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-the-hedgehog-2005-gif-2421893661136627284

[cunning echo]

me fr

[alpine wasp]

But I guess if they wanted to do a prologue of heroes. You already got metal sonic covered for that

[cunning echo]

🔥

[alpine wasp]

Metal Sonic trapping eggman while finding out what to do next

[plush moth]

Hai Davih

[cunning echo]

haii

[wide portal]

i actually dont think the current voice cast is as incompatible with heroes' tone as people make it out to be

[cunning echo]

[alpine wasp]

And finding out interesting data with both Shadow and Chaos

[plush moth]

what the fuck is that

[wide portal]

i forgot did metal know about shadow or was he confused about both him AND omega

[alpine wasp]

nope

[sick bobcat]

I hope they keep the opening intro for the remake

[forest fractal]

I do hope they can add in some lines from the Japanese script if possible. Just to help homogenize the different cultures Sonic is a part of

[sick bobcat]

SOOONIC HEEEEROES

[wide portal]

i know he went "you have no past to remember" but it brought an idea to my mind

[alpine wasp]

Metal Sonic has never met shadow at all since last time we saw him before heroes was being in a tube in SA1

[zinc spear]

Oh damn imagine getting to fight like, a bunch of other metal sonics from past games or the most iconic eggman mechs up until then

[strange estuary]

Oh no, I'm going to get Mike Pollock as Eggman in a remake of my favourite childhood game...

[forest fractal]

How long will we have to deal with US vs JP Sonic

[wide portal]

that wasnt metal

[alpine wasp]

er what?

I am very sure it's both Mecha Sonic mk3 and Metal Sonic in the tube during SA1

[atomic cave]

The og Heroes script/voice work easily clears the eng version

[plush moth]

Simple, we don’t. There is no such thing as JP Sonic or US Sonic, they’re the same thing.

[zinc spear]

Or even seeing this in a dark beginnings style animated prologue

[torn trench]

As long as this franchise lives ig

[wide portal]

fuck

[alpine wasp]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

Like bro what? LMAO

[wide portal]

my brain fell out sorry

[alpine wasp]

Your good

[wide portal]

anyway uh imma pitch the idea i had anyway

[plush moth]

happens to most of us

[atomic cave]

Given that Neo Metal is aware of Eggman's forces, he was probably aware of both the shadow androids and the "original" to begin with

Him saying that he has no past makes sense if he's assuming he's an android

[wide portal]

so in this new hypothetical heroes prelude animation we can have eggman prepping metal for his upcoming master plan, his new neo form, only for metal to stumble upon eggman finding shadow and later on building the shadow androids. his anger at the role hes been forced to play finally boils over as he breaks free from his constraints and pursues eggman, dominating his forces before locking him away and taking his face

[zinc spear]

Could also be fun to see how he even got this new form in the first place

[plush moth]

Yes

Yes

[atomic cave]

I'd rather leave it vauge

[plush moth]

More than likely Chaos Energy

[grand cobalt]

uh oh

[atomic cave]

I prefer to think Neo crafted his neo form himself after breaking "free" from his programming

[alpine wasp]

It's why I said earlier finding out about both Shadow and Chaos true nature

[plush moth]

Since Chaos Energy does lead to mutations in organic beings, maybe in non organic beings, it upgrades them to a higher standard of power

[alpine wasp]

WIth Shadow with his chaos powers and Chaos able to transform

[atomic cave]

It's too egotistical a form, with the cape and everything

[wide portal]

genuinely got scared when this appeared in my recommended

like WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[strange estuary]

They could canonise Death Battle Metal using a Chaos Emerald to whip out his Neo form.

[alpine wasp]

It'll get the idea Metal Sonic needed and focus on his 4 main priority: Sonic, Shadow, Chocola, and Froggy

[strange estuary]

So Chaos energy.

[alpine wasp]

I'd imagined they'll do that

It'll be a perfect excuse to utilize the chaos emeralds

[sick bobcat]

I can't believe Neo Metal Sonic's design makes him look like blue Shadow in a cape

[plush moth]

Is it bad if I watched it

[wide portal]

that would mean the others wouldnt have all 7 chaos emeralds for the finale tho

[alpine wasp]

I think that was the intention lmao

[strange estuary]

I'm sure he can obtain Chaos energy in some other way...

[alpine wasp]

I always assume Neo Metal Sonic was meant to be a mix of both Sonic and Shadow design wise at least in terms of concept

[strange estuary]

IDK.

[atomic cave]

He still has to copy his data midway through the game tho

[plush moth]

I mean if in the fleetway comics there was just a mine of chaos energy, who’s to say in mainline, there are no major deposits of chaos energy

[atomic cave]

Like maybe he based his design off of Shadow slightly but???

[strange estuary]

You guys have to remember Shadow is based on Super Sonic.

[atomic cave]

I think we're talking about the lines on the spikes mainly

[hexed wraith]

isn’t that just an unproven fan theory

[plush moth]

Yep, he has chaos energy built into him, meaning that if Neo had copied his design off of shadow, he could have also included the chaos energy from major deposits of it, or chaos shards

[alpine wasp]

I will say chaos shards more so

[plush moth]

No, in Gerald’s Journal I believe Gerald states that he saw a mural, and he based Shadow off of that said mural

[wide portal]

god hes so cool

[hexed wraith]

no

[plush moth]

During his time on Angel Island

[alpine wasp]

I don't think that was ever confirmed at all

[strange estuary]

Did they not make it real?

[wide portal]

leo you didnt read the journal 😭

[strange estuary]

Nevermind then.

[plush moth]

Lemme see

[hexed wraith]

no they didn’t

[plush moth]

Yes I did

[wide portal]

they didnt confirm one way or the other

[plush moth]

It’s either I’m stupid or that’s not what happened

[strange estuary]

Okay but Gerald still went to Angel Island, right?

[alpine wasp]

Yeah it still remains a mystery

[atomic cave]

I NEED to fight this mf in a game (that isn't speed sim)

[plush moth]

There is no in between

[untold kayak]

no

[alpine wasp]

He did yes

[hexed wraith]

Beggars can’t be choosers, sorry

[untold kayak]

or probably did, we don't know

[strange estuary]

Okay guys, then let's remember Shadow could be based on Super Sonic.

[untold kayak]

a lot of pages are ripped

[strange estuary]

Done.

[atomic cave]

Im not that much of a begger

[alpine wasp]

The theory is not officially confirm, but it's still leaning on the real side

[atomic cave]

I don't gamble unless its free

[hexed wraith]

IDW zone is also coming to speed sim so you comic book “fans” better get on that

[alpine wasp]

wait what?

[atomic cave]

falls out of my idw fandom

[strange estuary]

I don't like reading comic books thankfully!

[plush moth]

Ok yea it doesn’t say he saw the mural, I am sorry and I am stupid

[untold kayak]

I cannot play speed sim, my PC lags a lot recently lmao

[hexed wraith]

Autumn fall zone or something

[wide portal]

what the fuck

[untold kayak]

You're good Leo, don't punish yourself like thi

[hexed wraith]

Autumn leaf zone

[wide portal]

oh you mean Autumn Leaf Zone

[hexed wraith]

Tangle will be playable too

[alpine wasp]

OH WAIT I JUST CHECKED

BRUH TH E FUCK!?

[untold kayak]

IDW getting closer to the games fr!

[atomic cave]

Speed Sim... is canon...

[wide portal]

im not gonna play roblox im not gonna play roblox im not gonna play roblox im not gonna play roblox

[atomic cave]

He might play roblox

[plush moth]

David this is the only time I’m going to play speed sim this month

[wide portal]

my one (1) encounter with speed sim was the early viewing of prime ep 1

[hexed wraith]

It’s not worth your time

[alpine wasp]

So IDW chars really have a strong chance appearing in next console sonic game thanks to it lmao

[strange estuary]

Haha, one!

[alpine wasp]

I have no desire playing speed sim anyways

[plush moth]

Yes it is because IDW

[alpine wasp]

Never liked roblox at all

[wide portal]

this was negative for 2 reasons.

one, mobile roblox is awful.

two, prime's pilot was awful.

overall, a pretty 3/10 experience, would not do again

[strange estuary]

Mobile Roblox. 😭

[plush moth]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-one-elise-sonic-fan-dub-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-17661286

[untold kayak]

Feared words by those whose ears are around

[hexed wraith]

fun fact, they just changed it so that you get more Robux if you don’t use the mobile app to buy them

[plush moth]

Careful you’ll make Pepito destroy the earth

[wide portal]

i wouldnt say that but i would say its another bridge crossed

[alpine wasp]

Note I just said "strong" chance

💀

Like at the point where it's becoming closer

[hexed wraith]

it’s a fully explorable location from the comics realized into a video game, plus one of the most popular comic characters becoming playable in something that isn’t an auto runner mobile game lol

[plush moth]

guys I just heard a fucking explosion

[untold kayak]

So cool

[untold kayak]

WHAT

[wide portal]

smh when's speed battle gonna add a spiral hill stage

[plush moth]

I think Pepito heard us

we shouldn’t have mentioned IDW

[atomic cave]

See

[wide portal]

hes not even online 🗿

[hexed wraith]

would probably be better than them being added to speed sim

that game is where cool things go to die

neo metal sonic boss fight!…

…in sonic speed simulator on Roblox

[strange estuary]

I can't believe Vector was the first.

[hexed wraith]

there goes all the interest

[alpine wasp]

IDWoke is winning...

sad

[hexed wraith]

bro

[plush moth]

I FUCKING TOLD YOU

HES HERE HE HEARD US

[hexed wraith]

@round trout are you taking this disrespect

[wide portal]

oh my god the wiki really has just updated every idw location to say this

whenever something doesnt show up in a game its just "idw comic series and spinoffs"

[alpine wasp]

Feel like the only good part over speed sim is over bringing lesser known chars

But other than that yeah

[strange estuary]

And the Unleashed! dialogue.

[wide portal]

so apparently there are exceptions to this

barricade town and scrapnik island are unchanged

[forest fractal]

lmao
Guys Prime is like SOOO CANON RIGHT NOW NEW YOKE CITY AND NO PLACE IS IN SPEED SIM

[strange estuary]

Oh yeah, Speed Simulator is canon now.

I always forget that.

[plush moth]

I hate Sonic

[forest fractal]

i mean its not like it means anything

SPeed Sim has silver and ESP Silver and they're treated as two different characters

[alpine wasp]

Yeah

[plush moth]

Ok fair

[forest fractal]

ESP SIlver could be like dimension hopping

[alpine wasp]

Speed sim in a way is just adding chars as much they want to

[hexed wraith]

this is also true for sonic runners though

[forest fractal]

true but nobody can play runners now

[alpine wasp]

we must fight back against the canonsense...

idw, prime...

The fuck does this mean?

Like damn dude you really wnat this series to be like spiderverse

[atomic cave]

Prime rewrite comic... believe it!!

That's why they keep delaying it

[alpine wasp]

wdym

[atomic cave]

It's not the show that will be canon... but the comic book...

[strange estuary]

Uhh...

The what?

[wide portal]

idw sneak

[hushed carbon]

speed sin is nothing to me...

[alpine wasp]

into the game canon indeed

[atomic cave]

Like this material isn't unworkable at all

[wide portal]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-were-gonna-you-spongebob-squidward-gif-12129859060579126690

[atomic cave]

It'd be nice if they bent Amy's character away from the Ranma Shampoo marriage angle into just teasing, but just like the changes to that with the remake, the same energy can still be kept and understand why it didn't work to begin with

[untold kayak]

If anything, I think the Sonic/Amy would be more accepted if they were more like Ranma and Akane

[alpine wasp]

you forgot let's do it to it at the end of sonic's lines

[prime hearth]

I think she should bring up the fortune cards just to piss people off

[still epoch]

Dude

[atomic cave]

That's just the original script tho

[still epoch]

You know how great amy would be

If she had her ditzy white girl energy ALONG with fortune cards

[prime hearth]

(I still find it funny how the fortune cards thing pissed people off somehow)

[still epoch]

Like she would be

Peak

[untold kayak]

Like Ranma and Akane are kinda at odds with eachother so they have a bigger amount of back and forth, but you can see a bond growing below all that friction

[atomic cave]

The fortune cards were already peak

[atomic cave]

Akane had similar bad vibes in the original version though

The bond was barely, barely there

[untold kayak]

I'm only using the remake as reference tbf

[atomic cave]

It's getting played up severely in the new ver

[prime hearth]

"OHHHHH NO THEY FORGOT HER HAMMER THEYRE RETCONNING HER HAMMER HER MAIN THING IS CARDS NOW OHHHH THE CARDS"

literally one single month later:

[untold kayak]

I'll watch the original anime later down the line

[atomic cave]

Idk about the original anime, moreso the manga

[untold kayak]

hm no idea either. Again, I'm only using what I've seen of the remake anime as reference

[atomic cave]

Abrasive is what I'd consider it

Or ig that's what people call tsunder

[untold kayak]

Ichigo and Rukia could also fit as well

[atomic cave]

She already was peak in IDW

But that wasn't appreciated

[wide portal]

this would be funny but i do NOT wanna deal with half brained discourse about it

[atomic cave]

"Erm erm the campfire arc sucked" WRONG ‼️

[wide portal]

REAL

[atomic cave]

Peak Amy, peak girl squad

[alpine wasp]

campfire arc is legit goated

[untold kayak]

Classic Amy my beloved

[alpine wasp]

An ACTUAL girl squad

Been long overdue for that since rush games honestly

[atomic cave]

But anyway if they can do the same thing as they apparently did with the ranma remake and tone the characters down to where this stuff is charming rather than irritating, it'd legit work imo