if they get blind squirrel to do it...
#Sonic Leaks, Rumours & Speculation
hushed carbon
smoky summit
I think the Heroes remake is happening with near certainty
Just not sure the extent of things
hushed carbon
well- ultimate was bad cause sega rushed them, so who knows. if development really started since last year... then...
smoky summit
Are they rebuilding all the mechanics from scratch
Or are they porting what they can to UE and then going from there
Sonic Heroes has a lot of assets that need to be created
Even if we assume they will use assets from Gens for 2 stages
There's still 5 other stages (2 acts each)
And the stages are full of gimmicks
Not a environment swap situation
hushed carbon
I doubt they're gonna reuse assets from generations... maybe shadowgens' rail canyon but will seaside hill/ocean palace assets be the same fidelity as rail canyon is the question
strange estuary
Yeah, a full on Heroes remake would take so much.
hushed carbon
maybe some assets from TSR?
lunar trench
well- ultimate was bad cause sega rushed them, so who knows. if development real...
Not really ? Ig they had a somewhat decent deadline but because of blind squirrel being dumbasses they used an engine that was never made for sonic (or even 3d games in general) so... well yeah it shipped the way it did
smoky summit
I doubt they're gonna reuse assets from generations... maybe shadowgens' rail ca...
I mean... They literally reused Generations assets in Frontiers Cyberspace so no, that's not true
It can easily hold up
lunar trench
My new textures are kinda homeless...
smoky summit
I don't think Sonic Colors Ultimate was rushed at all in the grand scheme of things
strange estuary
Reusing assets is just common practice, I don't know why to doubt it.
smoky summit
In fact there is some evidence to suggest it was internally delayed
Because Frontiers was supposed to be the 2021 game
And tbh
That project could've been finished in 6 months by an experienced team
Blind Squirrel probably went way over budget in the process
lunar trench
Ultimately it was sega's fault to choose blind squirrel, but i wouldn't be surprised if blind squirrel bs the whole project
smoky summit
Like
You see that credit list on the game?
Those are all people they had to pay for the project
It's bloated to hell and back
tawny talon
I'm looking at other Sega remakes like Yakuza Kiwami 1+2, Super Monkey Ball Banana Mania, and even Atlus with Persona 3 Reloaded. The pattern that I notice is that they reuse a lot of assets from the latest mainline entry except for Monkey Ball because that was dead & even their art style reflects the current direction of the series
tawny talon
Pretty much
still epoch
So
smoky summit
Kiwami 1+2 and Monkey Ball reused the latest frameworks
lunar trench
I'm looking at other Sega remakes like Yakuza Kiwami 1+2, Super Monkey Ball Bana...
Not really for p3r tho
smoky summit
That they had at the time
still epoch
Do you guys we gonna see Heroes remake next year
What was said anyways
No one posted what was said
smoky summit
Persona 3 borrowed mechanics from P5 but graphically it was different
lunar trench
And it's a whole new engine
still epoch
A year of the chaotix could be really fun
lunar trench
A year of the chaotix could be really fun
LMFAOOO
still epoch
The are not specifically major characters
still epoch
But they could do something cool about it
lunar trench
Bankrupt
smoky summit
If this is Unreal Engine I do not think it will play like the HE2 framework we've had since LW
still epoch
And maybe a Knuckles Chaotix remake
hushed carbon
im gonna have to re-research my info on colors ultimate but I heard that when devs wanted more time to release patches for colors ultimate sega turned them down, wanted to delay the game too for more polish but said no to make sure the release lined up with a christmas season or something
shy tangle
they released it in september
lunar trench
That sounds like something zippo would say
smoky summit
Christmas season 1 year after
tawny talon
Persona 3 Reload might be a stretch to use as an example because that remake definitely looks like it had a lot more effort and a bigger budget compared to RGG remakes
smoky summit
Lol
lunar trench
And maybe a Knuckles Chaotix remake
First game to make 0 sales
still epoch
Show it to me
smoky summit
End of the day there's only so much sega can delay games
lunar trench
Nobody cares about the chaotix in the grand scheme of things. Being fr silver would make more money
smoky summit
We saw this with Sonic Boom Fire & Ice and TSR. Those games got delayed for polish and it crushed what little moment they even had
tawny talon
But yeah, I expect the Sonic Heroes remake to be on a spectrum between Yakuza Kiwami 1+2 and Persona 3 Reload, which is to say a solid remake, but not outstanding
still epoch
Nobody cares about the chaotix in the grand scheme of things. Being fr silver wo...
Oh my god shut it please
It would be the year of the chaotix not througg Dr. Luigi methods or a failed console
It would be through Heroes remake you fucjfirjdjdkskwkw8w93
tawny talon
Which is fine by me
lunar trench
I just want a Sonic Heroes that isn’t a janky mess
So not sonic heroes
tawny talon
???
lunar trench
I mean not the base game smh
smoky summit
My question though is will they recreate everything? Like yeah Shadow Gens had Rail Canyon, but so many Rail Canyon gimmicks weren't actually in the stage. Stuff like the kart ride, getting shot out of a canon, the 3D train section, and over a dozen enemies throughout the game
still epoch
My question though is will they recreate everything? Like yeah Shadow Gens had R...
Yes
shy tangle
My question though is will they recreate everything? Like yeah Shadow Gens had R...
they have to
smoky summit
And each stage in Heroes has its own set of gimmicks
hushed carbon
i mean they would have to otherwise its not sonic heroes
smoky summit
It's a big undertaking
tawny talon
I do hope its faithful
hushed carbon
if it was a heroes 2 then sure, old gimmicks not returning is fair for new gimmicks to come in but a remake kinda entails that you'd want to rebuild what made the original the original
tawny talon
Except for the jank….
shy tangle
for a remake i think doing anything removal is a bad idea
lunar trench
The problem with sonic heroes is also the fact that it has game designs flaws that are inherently part of the experience, being, replaying the same fucking game 4 times
shy tangle
they could get away with it in shadow gens because it was a smaller project
smoky summit
Even trivial stuff like the number of enemies, in Shadow Generations SEGA only created 4 new normal enemies. Sonic Heroes has dozens of Eggman enemies
lunar trench
Okay grummz
shy tangle
yeah
lunar trench
😭
shy tangle
i mean core gameplay especially with level gimmicks
lunar trench
Sorry but that was too easy
smoky summit
And yeah
shy tangle
whatever i think the rouge thing will happen again
smoky summit
The biggest problem is that they have to do all this and still figure out how to fix Heroes for 2024 lol
lunar trench
I could not give a single shit about rouge having her cleavage being 5% less revealing. If you wanna go off there's internet
hushed carbon
............... I hope heroes remake changes team rose's campaign a bit
strange estuary
Nobody cares about the chaotix in the grand scheme of things. Being fr silver wo...
The way you think that's how it works is funny.
smoky summit
strange estuary
A Heroes remake would be more than enough.
shy tangle
they're gonna do that aren't they
hushed carbon
............... I hope heroes remake changes team rose's campaign a bit
make it a full fledged campaign not the poster child for a cutting room floor article 🤧
lunar trench
The way you think that's how it works is funny.
Bro did not read the whole conv but mkay
shy tangle
oh wait mb i thought you meant control scheme
strange estuary
No it isn't.
smoky summit
If it's in UE, they will either port the og crontrols or rebuilt it from scratch, depending on the budget of this project
strange estuary
You play through the same stages 4 times.
tawny talon
I hope the controller mapping is like Frontiers
shy tangle
it'll probably be frontiers with a little modification like shadow gens lol
lunar trench
Nah i'm sorry but i never played heroes after like... half of the dark team campaign because i could not stomach replaying the game twice after this and in a worse way
smoky summit
They are not gonna port HE2 movement to UE
tawny talon
Because why did it take until that game for Sonic Team to wake up and make a competent platformer control scheme? ☠️
shy tangle
They are not gonna port HE2 movement to UE
as long as it plays well
the rest is just semantics
smoky summit
It will animate better 😭
smoky summit
Cause I'm pretty sure UE has better animation interpolation by default than what Sonic Team does nowadays
tawny talon
I'm confused now. Is the next mainline Sonic game also gonna be on UE5 if this is all true for Heroes?
lunar trench
It was a comment about the concept of a "year of chaotix" omg please i know that the game would make some money 💀
smoky summit
Probably no
strange estuary
How is that 5% then?
lunar trench
I'm confused now. Is the next mainline Sonic game also gonna be on UE5 if this i...
If only, alas it prolly won't, maybe he3 ? Who knows
strange estuary
The controls are not bad enough to be 95%, I'll be fully honest.
still epoch
So its not confirmed its heroes
Its just A Remake
Damn. We thought eh sonic is gonna take a lil break we are gonna get a spinoff-
Ohhhh
strange estuary
Yeah.
still epoch
But NOPE HERE IS AN IMMEDIATE RENAKE
Who tf is gonna even do it
The shadow gens team?
hushed carbon
inb4 its a chaotix 32x remake 🤧
smoky summit
Code name is Guiness + guy who has access to sega internal docs says Heroes.
still epoch
Already?
smoky summit
Btw
tawny talon
I'm not gonna use codenames as confirmation for anything
strange estuary
But NOPE HERE IS AN IMMEDIATE RENAKE
If we look at other leaks, it's what makes the most sense.
smoky summit
Idk why y'all are trying to make the chaotix a big deal 💀
still epoch
Why yall????
hushed carbon
chaotix anni next year, simple as that
still epoch
We have some hints about it
smoky summit
Ya'll
still epoch
If it wasnt for that, we wouldnt say shit, tobe
strange estuary
Idk why y'all are trying to make the chaotix a big deal 💀
Because they would do it.
smoky summit
They are pretty irrelevant in the pegging order
lunar trench
They are pretty irrelevant in the pegging order
I've been saying
shy tangle
the anniversary is next year but we can't expect sega to make a whole year out of it
strange estuary
They want to give other characters the spotlight.
tawny talon
I'm not gonna use codenames as confirmation for anything
Like, weren’t previous codenames for Sonic games just kind of random?
shy tangle
year of shadow only exists because shadow is already very popular
alpine wasp
I mean Chaotix may have something in next year but at best I see them get as much as Tails
strange estuary
Even if it won't be to the same extent of Shadow.
smoky summit
I don't think a Heroes remaster/remake would be packaged around the Chaotix anniversary at all. An afterthought at best
hushed carbon
chaotix focus next year makes more sense than a silver at least, like 2026 is a better year for silvaze than 2025
still epoch
Also other rumors about a Knuckles Season 2 with them
still epoch
I don't think a Heroes remaster/remake would be packaged around the Chaotix anni...
Yes it would
still epoch
Henry please
You cannot say its not reasonable
tawny talon
chaotix focus next year makes more sense than a silver at least, like 2026 is a ...
2026 is gonna be the next mainline Sonic game
If this is true
lunar trench
You cannot say its not reasonable
It's not reasonable
still epoch
Why not oh my god
smoky summit
Year of Chaotix will never happen. Sega won't hemorrhage money to that extent
Not in any big capacity
still epoch
THEY ARE NOT GONNA MAKE IT A BIG YEAR OF THE CHAOTIX
smoky summit
Maybe a comic spin off
lunar trench
They hve fucking shadow why would they bother with fucking charmy bee
hushed carbon
We literally have confirmation that Chaotix 30th comic is next year, not saying that they'll do a whole branding dance and all, but more like amy's year where she was introduced to origins
alpine wasp
Okay I have to be real
tawny talon
If that's the case. No way that they are gonna do the Year of Silver in the same year where the next mainline Sonic game is coming out
tawny talon
Nope
alpine wasp
Like that's not even the idea they'll even do
lunar trench
THEY ARE NOT GONNA GET HUGE MARKETING AROUND THEM
" "
smoky summit
2023 wasn't the year of Amy. That's just a fan thing that was acknowledged as an anniversary by the social team. 2023 was the Fast Friends Forever stuff
alpine wasp
sorry kit, but at the same time I don't see it being an issue over Chaotix getting their own anniversary content
tawny talon
and likely the only one
alpine wasp
Shadow's case is different is because he has always been a fan favorite
lunar trench
"The year of amy" and it's just her being playable in a few games just like tails and knuckles
smoky summit
Also
alpine wasp
Anyone else at best is just going to get any anniversary content
hushed carbon
2023 wasn't the year of Amy. That's just a fan thing that was acknowledged as an...
no ones saying that, just that 2023 kinda lined things up for amy, just like how 2025 might have stuff lined up for chaotix, it doesnt have to be a big thing
smoky summit
Basing this on daniel r p k
still epoch
"The year of amy" and it's just her being playable in a few games just like tail...
Thats EXACTLY THE EXTENT of "year of chaotix".
smoky summit
Who is a certified waffler at this point
lunar trench
Thats EXACTLY THE EXTENT of "year of chaotix".
Okay
Then there's the question
Were any of these games
Marketed around the fzct that you could play as amy
still epoch
Y E S
lunar trench
Marketed around the fzct that you could play as amy
Outside of origins +
strange estuary
Yes?
lunar trench
Because it was her update
smoky summit
no ones saying that, just that 2023 kinda lined things up for amy, just like how...
Why would I reply to someone saying that if no one is saying that
Like come on
strange estuary
H3ylow, you're not really making much sense.
hushed carbon
go point it out then where someone said that there was a big branding thing for a year of amy 💀
smoky summit
ITS GONNA BR LIKE HOW 2023 WAS THE YEAR OF AMY
@hushed carbon can I go to sleep now
strange estuary
Anyway, I wonder what kind of stuff we'll get for Chaotix.
still epoch
Tobe, for the love of god, no one is saying- you know what, yall pedantic as hell, we are just gonna drop the year of the chaotix-
TOBE
I SAID THAT EXTENT
THERE WAS NO BIG MARKETING AROUND HER
OH MY DUCKING GOD
strange estuary
We know there's something for the Classic Team Chaotix.
alpine wasp
Again they aren't going to treat chaotix like how Shadow did
still epoch
yea im done lmfao
smoky summit
Also
alpine wasp
THey'll give any content over them in 2025 but won't be huge like Amy
That's literally just it
strange estuary
THey'll give any content over them in 2025 but won't be huge like Amy
You mean Shadow.
tawny talon
Either way. Another notable Sonic release next year still surprises me
lunar trench
H3ylow, you're not really making much sense.
Nah it's y'all, apart from origins' update none of the things that we've talked about as part of the supposed "year of amy" were marketed around her.
hushed carbon
even knuckles got a series during year of shadow on his 30th anni, like it doesnt have to be a big thing
tawny talon
Sega really wants to annually release stuff for this franchise
alpine wasp
Pretty sure i am still saying Amy
strange estuary
If it's not like Amy, then they're getting nothing. 😭
still epoch
Ok, fine, there was no year of amy, it was a way of saying
alpine wasp
Because Amy just doesn't have as much regardless in terms of "massive content"
still epoch
How there was like, push for amy in the year
Since she was playable in 3 games
She had her little comic
Thats it
But it wasnt Officially The Year Of Amy
alpine wasp
Like with Shadow getting his own game again and have an entire movie based on him
strange estuary
Because Amy just doesn't have as much regardless in terms of "massive content"
Did you mean to say like or not like Amy? You said the latter.
alpine wasp
okay bad wording on my part
still epoch
But she had decent enough content she was playable after so long in mainline titles after years and years
alpine wasp
I am more of saying that in terms of content Chaotix will be treated similar to Amy
lunar trench
Because of what you just said
tawny talon
Wait a minute
still epoch
It was a nice coincidence
lunar trench
Because of what you just said
You admit that marketing a heroes remake around the chaotix being part of it for their 30th anniversary isn't gonna be a thing
still epoch
No?
lunar trench
Like
still epoch
What
smoky summit
The fact that the comics get brought up in general in these discussions as "oh this character got this comic thing so it counts towards something" makes it hard to really drive any point home because comic spin offs are the bottom of the barrel in terms of promotion.
The standard of what it means to have a "year of" or anything remotely close to that gets really muddy.
lunar trench
It's not gonna be focused on them
smoky summit
Comic spin-offs and twitter spotlights
still epoch
They are not gonna get a year of
tawny talon
They don’t really need one….
still epoch
They are gonna get a little push, it could just be an idw comic and a heroes remake
Or a little tailstube
Thats all...
smoky summit
You keep saying Heroes remake as if they making it for the Chaotix. That's why we everyone is arguing
smoky summit
Then it doesn't count lol
Anyways
Being real for a sec
At best I can see them doing a Chaotix teamed short. Though they could do a short for each team
strange estuary
This is the worst thing to debate about, just stay quiet about this whole Chaotix deal. They will get a push, it won't be big but they will. That's all there is to it.
alpine wasp
Honestly yeah I can see them a short based on all 4 of them
ALtho. I have no idea what they'll even do with Team Dark 💀
strange estuary
Anyway, I wonder if they would get them for the movie universe.
alpine wasp
I will say it's a good chance they'll appear in movie since they did technically exist
strange estuary
I know the source in question is questionable, but YK...
still epoch
Maybe? I take em over wade
tawny talon
They don’t really need one….
The Chaotix hasn’t really disappeared or reset their direction. Unlike Shadow, they weren’t brought in to be a big spotlight. They have always been just side characters
strange estuary
It does make some sense, let's admit it.
hushed carbon
i have my doubts on the movie universe.... if knuckles 2 is real though, it is about time for them to introduce some minor characters and the chaotix is a good fit
alpine wasp
That's what I see too
Chaotix has always been one of the more consistent side chars there is
still epoch
Yep, and not a better way than have like one of the 2 games they were ever playable on
alpine wasp
So it's very natural for them getting some sort of treatment during their anniversary
Heroes will just be coincidence but the timing will be great for chaotix for more people to be aware of them
tawny talon
At best I can see them doing a Chaotix teamed short. Though they could do a shor...
That could actually happen, especially since people adore Dark Beginnings. Mini episodes for a game might become the standard for future Sonic games
hushed carbon
im not gonna hold my breath for any classic chaotix acknowledgement 😔
alpine wasp
Also SEGA is pushing more of the sonic chars throughout
tawny talon
Instead of a single animated short
alpine wasp
Starting with Tails, Knuckles, and Amy. And then Shadow
still epoch
They will want to keep doing this, little by little
alpine wasp
If they continue this trend then Chaotix has a good chance this time
smoky summit
I'm telling you guys. This Daniel guy is just Zippo 2.0. he doesn't know shit. He only found out about Sonic 3's real trailer release date a week in advance but claimed to know wrongly for 2 months
still epoch
We are not talking about the movie chaotix rumor
alpine wasp
Honestly I don't really believe daniel but I can still see a season 2 happening
still epoch
That is a very small bit of the discussion
hushed carbon
on my end, ive acknowledged daniel's whatever, im not giving stake to his claim
still epoch
Its gonna be a small things for fans they wont do a big marketing push for them it would just to put them in the spotlight a little.
They are not popular or anything
hushed carbon
maybe not a whole marketing push towards chaotix but a slight blurb thats "Play team Chaotix, in this remake of their debut game as modern characters!" or some bullshit like that mixed with other "Play Team X" blurbs
smoky summit
And that is the bit I want to highlight, because to this day there's so much misconception thanks to Zippo spreading rubbish rumors. If we just keep perpetuating Daniel's rumors, it will mess with the collective recollection of things
still epoch
Uh huh, we stopped talking about Daniel
alpine wasp
tobe I doubt I'll care over what daniel is even saying
He has a very poor track record
alpine wasp
fair
tawny talon
I think the main reason why Sonic Heroes is likely getting a remake is that once again, it's one of the best-selling 3D Sonic games right?
alpine wasp
correct
Helps with the amount of references/callbacks it has
Another thing with heroes remake are the char amount
hushed carbon
begging praying for the controls to be good... idgaf if the graphics are bad or if the dub is unchanged from the english version... i just want it to actually play nice first and foremost
alpine wasp
It's a very good way for the new audience getting to know about the game more than generations outside of silver and blaze
tawny talon
It was also the first original 3D Sonic game that went multiplatform
alpine wasp
But I have to be real. I feel like they are going to save both Silver and Blaze for 2027 over the next 3D Sonic game
still epoch
Is putting respect slowly on characters names by introcing them in new good content
smoky summit
I think they want to do Heroes because they can more easily reintroduce characters and have them playable
still epoch
Its not a bit plan
tawny talon
Pretty much
alpine wasp
While in heroes remake I can see them adding a new team (Trip, Mighty, and Ray) during so
still epoch
Exceot for chaotix
smoky summit
Adventure 1 and 2 remakes will be put under a lot of scrutiny and they probably don't want to do that yet
still epoch
We got team dark in shadow gens
alpine wasp
SA1/SA2 are... a far bigger scale in terms of remake
still epoch
Big in sonic frontiers and shadow gens
alpine wasp
I feel like it is best for those two to be saved after next 3D SOnic game
smoky summit
Classic Characters?
hushed carbon
if 2026 wont be a "year of silvaze" kinda thing, at the very least i hope they consider like.... silvaze dlc for frontiers 2
still epoch
Cream in dream team (it counts)
alpine wasp
I feel like silaze should be saved for next 3D Sonic game
alpine wasp
Yeah if they wanted to reintroduce classic to modern: Trip/Mighty/Ray or hooligans have the best shot
tawny talon
Heroes is the perfect game to reintroduce a lot of the characters to younger fans without having to make a new game now that the franchise isn’t allergic to having a colorful cast of characters
still epoch
But yea all thats missingcis the chaotix to be properly reintroduced
tawny talon
It also helps that the story of that game is more straightforward
still epoch
Considering even omega is back now
smoky summit
I don't think it's happening just because Trip might be a "we need permission from Ohshima" kind of character
And idk if Ohshima is working with them atm
alpine wasp
I'm pretty sure he is still involved
still epoch
I dont think superstars was a massive failure either
hushed carbon
actually what if heroes remake's trying to get that record of "most playable characters in a platforming game" award again, adding two new teams would bump the count up quite a bit right?
alpine wasp
Also Trip appeared in Knuckles anniversary comic anyways so
tawny talon
Yeah
alpine wasp
Really he'll be more thrill SEGA insist doing a modern trip
hushed carbon
Gotta get the blessings
Fang was in mania and in the comic book but TOMA didnt even know until someone told him on twitter
still epoch
Oshima is not a modern disliker or anything
He is just gonna go for it i think its all up to sega
tawny talon
Yeah, he seems pretty chill with how Sonic has been handled when he left the franchise for a while
smoky summit
I don't think he would mind either
tawny talon
I mean, if he wasn’t. Why would he even come back to work on Superstars
hushed carbon
if all else, with the penders and chronicles thing, sega/sonteam is much more... careful with the characters they use, im sure in the contract or whatever sega should have full legal right to use trip
still epoch
And superstars (as much as we love to treat it like it failed) did well commecially and criticallt enough so i dont see how there could be bad blood or anything
Heck, trip just got a big story expansion
In a comic
tawny talon
Superstars probably just did fine but didn't do Frontiers numbers
That's why they are disappointed
smoky summit
Well
There's probably an easy way to find out
To check how much Sonic shit he retweets
Lol
Yeah seems to be on good terms
tawny talon
I would say yes and no to that
alpine wasp
It's why I mention Trip/Mighty/Ray and Hooligans
Diamond cutters has 0 chance being there and Silver and Blaze lack an actual third member
tawny talon
I would say yes and no to that
While they are making the timeline between Classic & Modern more connective. I still feel like they are treating classic Sonic as a completely different thing
hushed carbon
if they expanded on marine's weird wind powers we couldve gotten a third sol member but alas
tawny talon
I genuinely would love to see Trip, Mighty, and Ray in modern Sonic, but I just don’t see it happen
alpine wasp
I wouldn't say just that
It's also where those 3 take place
and Forces is WAY later
tawny talon
They probably remain in the classic Sonic limbo
lunar trench
We might need this heroes remake afterall chat...
hushed carbon
I genuinely would love to see Trip, Mighty, and Ray in modern Sonic, but I just ...
this is my take currently, i would love to see them, and itd be the first time since the original heroes since a classic stepped into a modern game, and itd make so much sense if they did so but im not keeping my hopes up cause i dont wanna get disappointed 💀
shy tangle
Gotta get the blessings
isn't it just iizuka calling the shots
if he wants he could just go up to ohshima and discuss
alpine wasp
I don't like say expected them at all, but if they wanted to do a new team. Trip/Mighty/Ray I can see happening
tawny talon
Lmao
I do find it funny how they came back together to work on a Sonic to be so simple
hushed carbon
can iizuke get drunk with some pixel artists next 🤧
shy tangle
can iizuke get drunk with some pixel artists next 🤧
he already did
got together with christian whitehead and evening star gang
lunar trench
"I'm telling you broshima we should market it around the chaotix ahahahah"
hushed carbon
I wonder what that is leading to
hopefully a drunken pregnancy that ends up with a beautiful baby girl named chaotix mania
tawny talon
Okay.…
alpine wasp
tawny talon
I already said this, but like. Who the fuck else could Evening Star approach after Penny failed. I doubt most major publisher wants to work with them for their next project. They had to crawl back to Iizuka or they probably would’ve been closed off
alpine wasp
That's what I expect honestly
tawny talon
They unfortunately already had to layoff a few devs
lunar trench
I already said this, but like. Who the fuck else could Evening Star approach aft...
God that 4 am 3 hours call was something huh
tawny talon
Indeed
lunar trench
strange estuary
(I get it, not being serious.)
alpine wasp
God I hate how 06 portrayed Blaze like that so much
tawny talon
But yeah, I'm all for Evening Star making a new Sonic game whether it's 2D or 3D, especially now that the current direction of the franchise will likely let them make original zones from start to finish
That with their expertise of Mania and Penny in my opinion. They will cook
alpine wasp
Again it's why I said earlier have them being more involved in next 3D Sonic game
tawny talon
That is gonna depend on how the next mainline 3D Sonic game’s plot goes
Which who knows what that will be
alpine wasp
yeah
tawny talon
But yeah, it would be cool to see these two as long as they serve a purpose
hushed carbon
what do you mean by chaotix mania
i said it as a joke without thinking too much of it, changed mania 2 to chaotix mania to fit better with the chaotix theming
if we take the idea seriously though i havent seen anyone attempt to rework the ring function in chaotix into something better so its probably a lost cause 💀
strange estuary
Doesn't a fan-game do it?
hushed carbon
really? i know theres a mod for srb2 with it but i havent seen one for a 2d game
strange estuary
I'm not going to remember it unfortunately, but I think I've seen some attempts.
hushed carbon
honestly if they just spruce up the partner system in mania encore and advabce 3 and combine the two, im fine with them ditching the tethered ring system
dawn pumice
I still believe don’t believe they would give a remake to another studio for heroes imo
They def have that shit in house
alpine wasp
Yeah Sonic Team has been growing bigger consistently since Frontiers
And after with SXSG, I don't see why they shouldn't do heroes remake
strange estuary
No it doesn't. They're not physically able to complete such a remake in little time.
dawn pumice
How do u know when it was developed 😭
hushed carbon
either its another studio who's doing it and has been for a while or.... sonteam's doing it and they've been crunched (given that its not a 2nd internal team that did it as shadowgens was being worked on)
good lord, the slim chance of it being a good remake... orz
strange estuary
How do u know when it was developed 😭
The leaks that came out suggest they were still only considering doing it.
But that is assuming they're not false.
dawn pumice
Oh…forgot about that front story 😭😭😭
strange estuary
Or don't line up with the time period the leaks came out.
hushed carbon
and we're sure that they're making a remake and not a remaster?
wait no lemme rephrase
dawn pumice
Oh…forgot about that front story 😭😭😭
Not diving in it further, but it was def considered before they said something about it 💀
hushed carbon
and is the leaker sure that they're making a remake and its not a mistranslation of a remaster?
dawn pumice
Nope it’s a remake
alpine wasp
every leaks so far has consistently said it's a remake
hushed carbon
good lord!!!!! please.... begging its not gonna be a koko crunch production
dawn pumice
Sega was also looking for listings for people familiar with UE for a sonic project back in 2022
Lines up perfectly with what we’ve heard
So if they started developing back in 2022, with full frontal development now, it makes a bit of sense
worthy cliff
So if they started developing back in 2022, with full frontal development now, i...
yeah the midori guy made a follow-up tweet saying that it had already been in production. But now it's just in full production.
tbh it would make sense if after Frontiers and the Movies made a shit ton of money that SEGA would allow Sonic Team to massively increase their manpower
so it's feasible that they could be working on both at once
hexed wraith
sure, that’d be cool
alpine wasp
Guys I've dreamt of a Sonic Heroes remake for so long
But I dread it...
For well known reasons...
hexed wraith
afraid of it becoming a good and enjoyable game
alpine wasp
Ian Flynn-written, Roger-dubbed lines....
Forces model...
I'll dial 911 just in case before I see this for the first time
sick bobcat
this just means I'll like it more than the original
still epoch
So if heroes remake isna thing next year
When you guys expect it to be announced
The year is almost ending
sick bobcat
Sonic Central
alpine wasp
Nah it needs a big stage/platform
still epoch
Vector Central 
alpine wasp
TGA, Nintendo Direct (maybe the one announcing Switch 2?), State of Play/PS Showcase
or maybe in one of that Xbox thing
sick bobcat
idk if the mass casual audience will be excited enough for a Sonic Heroes remake to warrant a big stage reveal
then again they showed off Sonic x Shadow Gens in Summer Game Fest
alpine wasp
noooo pepito
Ian Flynn cooked with Shadow Gens except the Sonic part
Ngl
Gotta be fair
wide portal
SXSG was revealed in a PlayStation showcase at the start of the year
wide portal
That worked out pretty well for them, so I imagine they’ll do something similar
alpine wasp
yeah
wide portal
Which would mean we only have until January/February until they reveal it
Or alternatively they drop the news at the Game Awards
untold kayak
To be fair, from what Ian says in the Bumblekast, he planned something else for the cutscenes of base gens but only mild changes were done
torn trench
afraid of it becoming a good and enjoyable game
Praying and begging bro
plush moth
afraid of it becoming a good and enjoyable game
But it gave us Neo Metal, Metal Overlord, and “What I’m Made Of”
alpine wasp
tbh Flynn isn't really an issue
wide portal
Or alternatively they drop the news at the Game Awards
btw we should keep an eye out for heroes.sonicthehedgehog.com and/or sonicheroes.com
sick bobcat
im ready for Rail Canyon and Metal Overlord asset reuse
plush moth
btw we should keep an eye out for heroes.sonicthehedgehog.com and/or sonicheroes...
bet
alpine wasp
i think he kind of proved he could write characters good ig
sonic in the final horizon
plush moth
Yea true
alpine wasp
tails & knux in frontiers
shadow in shadow gens
but Sonic
Sonic is so tricky i think
cause he used to strike a really good balance
sick bobcat
btw we should keep an eye out for heroes.sonicthehedgehog.com and/or sonicheroes...
oh yeah if any of these domain names get registered that increases the chance of the heroes remake being real tenfold
alpine wasp
but now, with pontaff, movies, prime, idw... it definitely had an influence on the perception of his character
torn trench
Sonic is tricky because you gotta know how to make him seem cool without being too much of a dick, caring without being overbearing, standoffish without being seen as a loner, etc
alpine wasp
Yeaaaah
You got to strike a balance
It was well done until Pontaff
It got ruined with pontaff
torn trench
He'd be the very last character I'd write for if I had the opportunity
alpine wasp
it got better with Flynn
not as good as before imo
but his last works (tfh and shadow gens) were steps in the good direction imo
torn trench
Cuz also nowadays he's being used in more casual settings and we haven't really seen that until like
Boom
I don't really wanna count X cuz I don't remember him interacting all too much with the rest of the cast in season 1 where it was its most casual
alpine wasp
I'll say with Flynn he is improving very well with Sonic's char
There are some issues, but still miles better compared to the 2010s era
98-2009 Sonic is just the best to me
2010s Sonic is awful
2020s is okay so far
sick bobcat
I dont see much of a difference in Flynn writing Sonic compared to the writers pre-2010
alpine wasp
Same
Base Frontiers Sonic is okay to me, TFH is good, Shadow Gens idk I found him a bit annoying but maybe it's just the voice and maybe it was intended lmao
Nah it is for sure intended
Since it's Shadow's perspective
sick bobcat
Sonic annoys Shadow
that's definitely intended
alpine wasp
Plus, Flynn kinda did not cook with all the references in their short dialogue
It was not slick
He respects but can't stand him at the same time 💀
silly af dynamic between the two
plush moth
He respects but can't stand him at the same time 💀
Nah bro def hates Sonic after he basically bragged about beating his ass and getting the emerald😭
alpine wasp
Nah bro def hates Sonic after he basically bragged about beating his ass and get...
He's used to him but Shadow still got the upper hand
sick bobcat
nah
that dialogue was peak imo
I like that the SA2/Heroes reference dialogue is sort of an inside joke between Sonic and Shadow
alpine wasp
nah
that dialogue was peak imo
I like that the SA2/Heroes reference dialogue is ...
Nah it was too much
And I like subtle refs here and there
atomic cave
Nuh uh
sick bobcat
Nah it was too much
for you
alpine wasp
and I disagree also
plush moth
nah
that dialogue was peak imo
I like that the SA2/Heroes reference dialogue is ...
Agreed, while it was good, that final line from Sonic😭
alpine wasp
These even are some of my favorite dialogues
They handled it perfectly well with the dialogue
atomic cave
Don't worry pep I got you, I'm just pulling your leg
plush moth
We do a little trickery around here
sick bobcat
Agreed, while it was good, that final line from Sonic😭
I bet if Ryan Drummond says those lines nobody will complain lol
atomic cave
Wish they'd stop reusing lines like that
atomic cave
Yeah
alpine wasp
But their conversation was just those lines?
it felt pretty weird
Like if it were just SA2 refs or Heroes refs, it'd be okay
like "i found you shadow" + "that blue hedgehog of all places" would be cool
but "the date with..." + "a date to die for" it felt too muc h
atomic cave
I don't think the combo itself is what does it in, it's just not vibing with the "and I clapped" form of references at all
alpine wasp
SA2/Heroes is Shadow at his best imho
atomic cave
Some people vibe with it, some don't, that's all
plush moth
06 Shadow is goated but...... it's still 06
A beacon of hope in a sea of despair
alpine wasp
We'll see anyway
Heroes isn't like the best written Sonic game ever
But hey
I think my BIGGEST issue will be the English dub
atomic cave
Erm
alpine wasp
Heroes does it's job well honestl--
..........yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaah
The english dub is where people are going to complain a lot
Can be easily fixed now that JP Script heavily relies on the English one
Outside of Tails
Idk I find the English dub of Sonic really underwhelming
Big lack of direction
I can understand that honestly
Like besides the main character
I do appreciate to see Roger improved but I am still not sold over him
and Pollock's characters
(Gerald and Eggman)
it's always underwhelming
Sonic and Rouge were... uh...
well
in ShGens
Even the rewrite might be controversial idk
I like the OG script
of Heroes
plush moth
Ngl I kinda had a visceral hatred for rouge when she said “but don’t forget you’ve moved on” like lemme live in the past for a bit
alpine wasp
Doesn't have the best story or anything but it's good
wide portal
Ngl I kinda had a visceral hatred for rouge when she said “but don’t forget you’...
No
alpine wasp
I'll say Heroes did it's job well enough
wide portal
Grieve.
alpine wasp
it's not my favorite but it does the job
atomic cave
Heroes captures the energy between the characters well
alpine wasp
But I am still not happy over Tails and Knuckles being in bubble shields
Still lame af 
atomic cave
If I have to point at a light and airy Sonic game tone, it'll be Heroes
alpine wasp
BUT if they have like an "incomplete" super form like with Shadow against Neo Devil Doom, that'll be much better
Well the whole Amy thing is gonna be revamped trust me LMAO
alpine wasp
BUT if they have like an "incomplete" super form like with Shadow against Neo De...
Yeah true
like just golden era
- flying
plush moth
BUT if they have like an "incomplete" super form like with Shadow against Neo De...
Agreed
alpine wasp
It'll at least not only doesn't affect the main series story too much but it'll be a much better natural evolution for both Tails and Knuckles
plush moth
Yea instead of “ooh bubble shield”
wide portal
Give Tails the Archie cape
atomic cave
The only thing I'd actually want from a Heroes remake is adding a Neo Metal Sonic boss in for Sonic somewhere, but everything else is pitch perfect sans Amy (and that's a whole can of worms)
wide portal
and uhhh Knuckles can have golden fists
plush moth
Give Tails the Archie cape
sega would begin shitting themselves if that happened again
alpine wasp
Heroes script doesn't need to be rewritten except maybe some very minor things
Amy bits will definitely be rewritten tho, like it or not
I am fine with it anyways
I hated Heroes Amy LMAO
But except Amy, the script basically doesn't need anything
Yeah I'm not 100% against it, depends on how they handle it
untold kayak
I'd like a more concise narrative for heroes
wide portal
But except Amy, the script basically doesn't need anything
I mean, we can expand on things
atomic cave
Heroes script doesn't need to be rewritten except maybe some very minor things
...
It'd be so funny if they rewrote it in the opposite way tho
alpine wasp
But I can see them if they wanted to include another team
plush moth
I hated Heroes Amy LMAO
Yes same, like she was just gonna beat the shit out of sonic so he would marry her
untold kayak
like actually expand on it
heroes as of now feels very 'and this happens' sort of thing
very episodic in general
alpine wasp
Now the most interesting part I'll say is how they handle the last story unlock
wide portal
I think they should give people the option to choose their difficulty regardless of team
atomic cave
Now the most interesting part I'll say is how they handle the last story unlock
Chaos emeralds ala the classics
- Finish all characters ala the original for beginners who can't get the emeralds
wide portal
in Heroes as is Team Rose is easy mode and Team Dark is hard
torn trench
very episodic in general
I think that's fine for a game like Heroes
atomic cave
in Heroes as is Team Rose is easy mode and Team Dark is hard
That's the same with the classic games tho
plush moth
Ngl hear me out, there should be a difficulty setting if heroes gets a remake
atomic cave
Knuckles is hard, Sonic is medium, Tails is easy
torn trench
But yeah they really need to fix up that weird thing where the 3rd team most people choose has you play through a mandatory tutorial
atomic cave
True
alpine wasp
maybe they'll include the chaos emeralds directly in the story?
plush moth
Ngl hear me out, there should be a difficulty setting if heroes gets a remake
But if you beat expert after beating hard, you get to use the super forms anytime during gameplay
torn trench
I think the latter might be better
alpine wasp
like if you finish the stage with 50 rings or more
atomic cave
Treat keys like rings
alpine wasp
you get to go to the special stage
torn trench
Cuz iirc don't you have to get all the emeralds for one team?
atomic cave
If you get hit they spill out like rings
atomic cave
And every time you get hit they bounce higher
alpine wasp
Chaos emeralds ala the classics
+ Finish all characters ala the original for be...
Yeah something like that I can see
i always get the emeralds with team rose lmao
untold kayak
I think that's fine for a game like Heroes
I feel you can commit to being a 'modern take' of the classics by making each level connect to the one before it in a more direct way.
Like, after you beat the egg hawk, you can see grand metropolis at the distance and go to it; with grand metropolis you have a pinball thing that sends you to casino park; a train takes you to rail canyon, etc
alpine wasp
b-but guy there is a huge issue...
Amy is part of team sonic now...
it would be weird if she's not in the same team...
Not really
wide portal
Amy is part of team sonic now...
She can multi-task 😁
alpine wasp
Amy is more part of the team much later
sike
lunar trench
it's not my favorite but it does the job
Yeah okay but l'abeille dans sonic heroes
alpine wasp
origins is the definitive version of sonic 1/2/3K...
sick bobcat
I want to be able to customize Teams in this remake
untold kayak
she's in origins and superstars
origins Amy only exists in gameplay form, it isn't canon that she was within the levels of those games
alpine wasp
I want to be able to customize Teams in this remake
Honestly I can see that as a reward for beating last story
plush moth
I want to be able to customize Teams in this remake
After u beat the game you can customize
alpine wasp
But even so at the same time Amy tends to pair up with Sonic/Tails/Knuckles depending on the story
plush moth
Tho what new teams would u guys wanna see in the heroes remake
sick bobcat
let me put Big the Cat in a Team with Rouge and Espio
untold kayak
origins Amy only exists in gameplay form, it isn't canon that she was within the...
she is as canon as knuckles in sonic 2
alpine wasp
Tho what new teams would u guys wanna see in the heroes remake
Just Trip/Mighty/Ray
alpine wasp
Tho what new teams would u guys wanna see in the heroes remake
silver blaze and a new character... but it's a pie in the sky
Yeah I have to be real.....
That ain't going to work if they are sticking with heroes structure
💀
atomic cave
Ok ok this game is coming out in 2025, if they do attempt a whole bunch of crazy additions it might turn out bad
plush moth
Just Trip/Mighty/Ray
Yea that could work as a team classic
alpine wasp
Plus it'll be like with heroes original with chaotix
plush moth
Now I would pay to see Silver, Blaze, and Marine as Team Dimension
wide portal
Ok ok this game is coming out in 2025, if they do attempt a whole bunch of crazy...
true
untold kayak
How much time it has been in production?
alpine wasp
So essentially they can repeat that with Trip/Mighty/Ray
plush moth
Now I would pay to see Silver, Blaze, and Marine as Team Dimension
(As unlikely as that is)
atomic cave
How much time it has been in production?
Idk, we only heard about talks of it last year
still epoch
If they are gonna remake heroes just make it on the shadow gens engine
alpine wasp
what's the platform game that has the biggest number of characters
lunar trench
silver blaze and a new character... but it's a pie in the sky
I'd put marine in but i don't want the aussies to have a W so i'm kinda conflicted
alpine wasp
still heroes?
plush moth
If they are gonna remake heroes just make it on the shadow gens engine
yea true
plush moth
I'd put marine in but i don't want the aussies to have a W so i'm kinda conflict...
Nah let them have a W, not like they’re ever getting another one (I’m going to hell)
atomic cave
If they are gonna remake heroes just make it on the shadow gens engine
The rumor states that they're training Sonic Team on Unreal with it tho
still epoch
Differently
alpine wasp
what's the platform game that has the biggest number of characters
Heroes remains the largest amount
Weren't there even rumors that this game is in UE lmao?
atomic cave
Like to prepare for broader use of Unreal for Sonic as a whole
alpine wasp
Heroes remains the largest amount
well they might wanna break that record by adding another team lmao
atomic cave
Weren't there even rumors that this game is in UE lmao?
Yes, from the same source (midori/ryan)
torn trench
Team potential
alpine wasp
Yes, from the same source (midori/ryan)
trustworthy enough
wide portal
well they might wanna break that record by adding another team lmao
if they add anybody I feel it’ll be the classic heroes
alpine wasp
i don't trust him for anything else than sega
still epoch
Also i wonder if they can mak3 the team formations better
alpine wasp
well they might wanna break that record by adding another team lmao
yeah lmao
wide portal
chronology wise, nobody else makes much sense
wide portal
I am NOT watching this
plush moth
Team potential
Blaze, Silver, and ummm who’s another one
alpine wasp
But I don't think anything Heroes related will be drastic change
plush moth
Don’t worry classic sonic won’t be there
alpine wasp
People may bring up over marine but I don't know......
I have a hard time believing she'll be power type
5 campaigns would be way too much to be honest
atomic cave
Classic Sonic, Classic Knuckles, Classic Tails added to Sonic Heroes?!?!?!
alpine wasp
4 is already too much imo
plush moth
I have a hard time believing she'll be power type
I mean she could manipulate water?
alpine wasp
And at the same time if they wanted to keep it consistent with the story, it'll make lesser sense having both silver and blaze being there
plush moth
I mean she could manipulate water?
Ok nvm that’s just waterbending
wide portal
I meant modern versions of Mighty/Ray/Trip
alpine wasp
I'd be lenient on some plot rewriting or anything
if it made the 4-campaign system better
That's why I said it earlier
wide portal
And at the same time if they wanted to keep it consistent with the story, it'll ...
plot twist, it’s Sonic X Silver Heroes
Silver goes back in time and has to face some kind of threat without contradicting the events of Heroes
alpine wasp
If they wanted to keep the timeline consistent just add only the classic chars
alpine wasp
plot twist, it’s Sonic X Silver Heroes
Silver goes back in time and has to face...
💀
Honestly if they are going to do a sonic only char campaign, it should be metal sonic
But at least a prologue or such
plush moth
plot twist, it’s Sonic X Silver Heroes
Silver goes back in time and has to face...
I want to say yes but in order for that to happen, like sgm once said, the character will need to be popular enough for them to even have a slim chance of it
dawn pumice
When you guys expect it to be announced
SGF
lunar trench
Too late
still epoch
Makes sense
atomic cave
I meant modern versions of Mighty/Ray/Trip
This is going to be painful if it's the central hope and it doesn't end up happening
lunar trench
Shg was announced in january
wide portal
This is going to be painful if it's the central hope and it doesn't end up happe...
I have a gut feeling it won’t but it’s nice to pretend right
still epoch
Anyways, it is weird to think about a heroes remake happening
dawn pumice
Too late
I mean
Superstars
Superstars was a huge shadow drop
And I def think heroes is big enough for a Geoff event
still epoch
And considering it might be on a different engine
dawn pumice
^^^
alpine wasp
I feel like for a remake it works just fine
lunar trench
Anyways, it is weird to think about a heroes remake happening
Idk man, i'm still not feeling it. My safe bet has always been a racing game so yeah. But the heroes could happen. It just wouldn't be done by sonic team, maybe spear headed by them
alpine wasp
Since people may already notice it'll be heroes but prettier graphics. At least first impression wise
dawn pumice
If Geoff’s ass wants to show a new game on UE5 and Sonic has been at mostly every single event, being his next crash bandicoot, then I def expect it at a Geoff event
plush moth
If Geoff’s ass wants to show a new game on UE5 and Sonic has been at mostly ever...
plot twist Geoff isn’t hosting the next one
wide portal
if the heroes remake comes out in like, November, then TGA may actually be a good place for an announcement
alpine wasp
if it's at a geoff event it'll be tga 2024
lunar trench
Superstars
Yeah but superstars was a low budgeted project, an entire remake, their first may i add, is a bigger project that even shg if i'm being honest
alpine wasp
sgf 2025 would be too late
still epoch
I am down for a heroes remake if it maintains the level design of shadow gens
dawn pumice
Geoff knows sonic gives his the most views 😭
still epoch
But also i do need a little bit more?
plush moth
Yeah but superstars was a low budgeted project, an entire remake, their first ma...
Yea true
dawn pumice
TGA is also way too early
Extremely too early
Especially when it’s before the third movie
And they need to push sales for shadow
alpine wasp
Yeah it lost it chance anyways for TGA due to Sonic 3 Movie
Anywhere between January 2025 to SGF makes the most sense
alpine wasp
yeah
dawn pumice
And some sneak peak for sonic 3
alpine wasp
Yeah it lost it chance anyways for TGA due to Sonic 3 Movie
Frontiers was announced at TGA 2021
dawn pumice
Like a 20 second clip
alpine wasp
well
wide portal
They can do all 3
alpine wasp
Frontiers was announced at TGA 2021
Pepito
lunar trench
And some sneak peak for sonic 3
Yeah that's obvious
alpine wasp
the first proper teaser
wide portal
multitask
alpine wasp
I literally said they can't show it because sonic 3 movie
cunning echo
heroes remake at tga
alpine wasp
It'll be poor marketing decision on their part
dawn pumice
the first proper teaser
I mean that was coming out within April
cunning echo
wide portal
Sonic 3 sneak peek, SXSG dlc, and first teaser of the Heroes remake
dawn pumice
Shadow needs to push sales before the movie
plush moth
https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-with-butterfly-on-nose-dog-with-butterfly-butterf...
man I love this doggo
dawn pumice
But I also think a heroes remake is so big tho, it can’t just be announced outta the blue
alpine wasp
at an editor's conference
plush moth
man I love this doggo
They just letting the butterfly sit on their nose
Mother Nature is a good one
cunning echo
But I also think a heroes remake is so big tho, it can’t just be announced outta...
yea
dawn pumice
That too
dawn pumice
Every new game has been at a Geoff event
lunar trench
Because nobody mentionned kt
dawn pumice
Announced I mean
lunar trench
Switch 2 launch event
dawn pumice
Hmmmmm
plush moth
Switch 2 launch event
honestly? Could work
alpine wasp
Every new game has been at a Geoff event
playstation showcases are pretty huge stuff imo
in terms of audience
It'll get sonic and nintendo fans being immediately sold seeing heroes remake being part of the switch 2 launch
dawn pumice
Switch 2 launch event
I would say maybe 50/50?
alpine wasp
and playstation and sonic seem to be well acquainted lately
dawn pumice
playstation showcases are pretty huge stuff imo
But I think mostly going off of the idea that Geoff always had his hands on every huge sonic announcement
lunar trench
Seems like the best bet
dawn pumice
Been like this since frontiers
wide portal
Switch 2 launch event
when the fuck is is this even happening
dawn pumice
I also think cuz he knows sonic brings him the most viewers too
alpine wasp
well maybe it's sony now lmao
wide portal
does the Switch 2 even exist I feel like people are being gaslit
dawn pumice
well maybe it's sony now lmao
Ehhh
alpine wasp
does the Switch 2 even exist I feel like people are being gaslit
It is real
plush moth
does the Switch 2 even exist I feel like people are being gaslit
maybe the true switch 2 was the adventure all along
lunar trench
when the fuck is is this even happening
Early 2025 is the window
alpine wasp
It's just that the thing is that.... it's Nintendo
dawn pumice
Sony usually does PlayStation like directs during early of the year
alpine wasp
Nintendo are very random when it comes to announcing things
dawn pumice
It’s never really a showcase
lunar trench
It's just that the thing is that.... it's Nintendo
Where sonic sells the most
alpine wasp
Whcih even then is a no brainer
cunning echo
I also think cuz he knows sonic brings him the most viewers too
I suppose is moreso on sega side
I think the reason they put frontiers on tga was mostly due to the movie 2 trailer too
alpine wasp
Yeah I can easily see it being Persona 6 for SEGA/ATLUS
cunning echo
since it was 2 meals
dawn pumice
The ONLY reason I can see sega announcing heroes remake
Is IF
IF
they do another round of that sega showcase thing
But I don’t think they associate sonic with that brand push
lunar trench
Nah they wouldn't
dawn pumice
Ya
alpine wasp
Yeah I doubt they'll do that again since it already gain enough interest as it is
But if they wanted to show another IP outside of Persona, I can see VF
But........ it shows an updated port so it's harder to say
wide portal
I’m convinced they’ll make the exception
dawn pumice
No shot they announce it outta the blue, it’s gonna be tied to an event
cunning echo
Idk where they could show a heroes remake?
summer game fest
alpine wasp
ehh
dawn pumice
I’m with u on that in all honesty
lunar trench
3 possible outcome :
Tga 2024
NS2 launch event
PSS
alpine wasp
less than 6 months before release? IDK
wide portal
im not sure if there’s anywhere in 2025 where it’ll make sense to announce it, but really it depends on when it drops
cunning echo
less than 6 months before release? IDK
happened with superstars
wide portal
chances are they’ll go for a fall window again, it’s just fate. in any case it means a announcement at TGA makes the most sense if they want a lot of eyes on it
alpine wasp
And it sold super well!
cunning echo
alpine wasp
They should just like Shadow and Frontiers
plush moth
happened with superstars
Super shit
cunning echo
And it sold super well!
that was moreso on the lack of interest from the public to classic sonic honestly
dawn pumice
And it sold super well!
I mean it released the same time as wonder and spiderman 2 😭
alpine wasp
I am leaning more over NS2 for heroes remake honestly
cunning echo
cuz frontiers also had an actual gameplay and trailer in june
alpine wasp
announcement trailer late year-1/early year of release
wide portal
It’s not like the TGA trailer would be very long anyway, I imagine it’d have as much as what the Shadow Gens trailer did
alpine wasp
press releases and everything from june (sgf) to release
wide portal
they’ll probably highlight Team Sonic specifically, for obvious reasons
alpine wasp
announcing the game in june would be too late
imo
because a lot of games will have been announced by then
smoky summit
I can see sega doing marketing exclusivity with Nintendo for a Heroes remake
If Nintendo agrees
dawn pumice
Honestly then, I think it’ll be at a PlayStation showcase
If they wanna gas up they’re on UE5
alpine wasp
if some kind of exclusivity happens
dawn pumice
They need a console that can handle those graphics
alpine wasp
it'll be with Sony lmao
happened for Shadow Gens
most of the sales are on PS5
so
cunning echo
I think it would be in a bigger event like tga honestly
or at least I would personally put it there if I was sega lol
since is a remake
specially a remake of one of the best and most successful 3D sonic game
alpine wasp
Look
cunning echo
dawn pumice
That’s what I’m thinking too
alpine wasp
In 2025, GoW will celebrate its 20th anniversary
dawn pumice
It’s gotta be a huge event
dawn pumice
But isn’t that slated for like in 2 weeks?
hexed wraith
💀
dawn pumice
Supposedly the next big one is during their anniversary in like 2-3 weeks
wide portal
Lmfao
alpine wasp
did they announce something lmao
dawn pumice
thats why im doubtful it’ll be at a PlayStation showcase
alpine wasp
oh okay
dawn pumice
did they announce something lmao
No but it’s being heavily hinted at by insiders
alpine wasp
There is a rumor that we get a playstation conference this month
So that chance is dead for heroes remake there
wide portal
A TGA announcement would mean we only have 2 weeks tho..
alpine wasp
hmmmmm
dawn pumice
If like a showcase or event happens this early, there’s no shot they’ll do another showcase early into next year
alpine wasp
so it's like TGA and Playstation Showcase in december...
dawn pumice
Exactly
alpine wasp
But at the same time I will say teasing with just team sonic works perfectly
Because it'll still line up with sonic 3 movie
you know what
yeah
sick bobcat
I wonder if Crush 40 will be brought on board for the Heroes remake
torn trench
TGA is on the 18th, right?
alpine wasp
I wonder if Crush 40 will be brought on board for the Heroes remake
They most likely will
dawn pumice
But didn’t Ryan from the Bronx say that it just started full development?
dawn pumice
So would they even have stuff to show?
alpine wasp
But didn’t Ryan from the Bronx say that it just started full development?
he said it was slated for 2025
dawn pumice
We know they have voice acting done
alpine wasp
if they have nothing to show
wide portal
TGA is on the 18th, right?
The 12th I think
alpine wasp
We know they have voice acting done
WHAT
alpine wasp
if they have nothing to show
one year away from release, they're COOKED
If they have hte voice acting done then they 100% will show just for a tease
torn trench
Could be for a racing game
alpine wasp
Maybe a racing game yeah
dawn pumice
Colleen posted a picture with Keith and Matthew in studiopolis in the same recording booth
wide portal
We already know the Guinness project is a remake
smoky summit
This will be the first new Sonic game on Nintendo's new console
Probably cross platform
wide portal
And it’s dropping in 2025
alpine wasp
Colleen posted a picture with Keith and Matthew in studiopolis in the same recor...
who are keith and matthew
wide portal
idk what else it could be
dawn pumice
Vector and Espio
alpine wasp
I feel like another thing is also reusing assets
dawn pumice
And Colleen is Charmy
alpine wasp
They already got it ready for both Metal overlord and rail canyon
dawn pumice
Recording in the same booth
And it isn’t for generations since this was a month before release
alpine wasp
......oh right this got me to realize
We may possibly see updated models for cream, chaotix, and metal sonic
what
how can we be so sure...
Oooooh
Colleen is charmy
Hmmm idk
Would she be allowed to do something like this
anyway we'll see
dawn pumice
how can we be so sure...
When they usually record for sonic games, they do it separately
torn trench
who are keith and matthew
Silverstein and Mercer
dawn pumice
Would she be allowed to do something like this
I mean ya
They not spoiling anything
Lot of VAs do this type of thing
alpine wasp
^
dawn pumice
We just connecting the pieces together