#Sonic Movie

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dusky garnet
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2 nickels like two episodes

ember talon
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But real talk I will say Sonic 4 movie will easily demostrate Shadow's char a lot more where he is more willing to help compared to Game Shadow, but in his own way

dusky garnet
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Man its gonna be sad if movie shadow is decently written and cooperates without too much bs vs game shadow being stuck in the state where no one likes to write him

ember talon
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fr 💀

sick coyote
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They have the chance to redeem themselves after the sonic 3 steelbook

boreal hornet
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inb4 floating heads poster

dusky garnet
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Its gonna be sonic, amy up front shadow in the middle eggman up top

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And the rest of them in the sides and small

dusky garnet
sick coyote
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If we get this fucking ass again, I'm gonna crash out

ember talon
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Shadow's greed is unreal

dusky garnet
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Ok thats his movie though

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They probably will with amy and sonic

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why did they reduce metal sonics size for the green artwork

drifting mason
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I don't think they did

sick coyote
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I think I see it, look at his head

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It a similar size in the og version, but smaller in the rerelease

drifting mason
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I do not see it

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Unless someone compares the two

dusky garnet
ember talon
drifting mason
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Metamy scene would go crazy

fallen harness
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I’m expecting a lot of terminator references

agile dragon
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The shot of metal at the end of the teaser isn’t from the post credit scene is it?

drifting mason
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I don't believe it is

sturdy token
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No

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someone said is slightly tilted to a side

drifting mason
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It is

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I couldn't match it when comparing to any shot in the post-credit scene

cloud mist
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I’ve seen movie that would have something like this

next wedge
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It might happen

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If anything, it might be sonic just having a crush

night anvil
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Henry’s gonna murder all of us if this happens

cloud mist
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Oh well

drifting mason
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I'm pretty sure Henry said it'd be fine if executed correctly

dusky garnet
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I did yea

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But to be executed correctly it would have to be something like Nick and Judy in Zootopia 2

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Where they go through a lot together and are able to have a lot of moments together and romance tropes is a non factor, is about the chemstry

cloud mist
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median sequoia
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I think that if sonic does have any romantic feelings, it won’t be so ‘said and done’ or straight forward as much as some may think it’ll be.

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for all the differences sonic himself has, the dynamics he has with just about every other character from the games is fairly intact + SEGA has a good working relationship with the writers/creatives, in saying what is required or not meant to be under their minimal specifications.

median marsh
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Call me nuts but

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I don’t think shadow is gonna be in the movie the way u think

median sequoia
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What you think its Gonna be his own self dedicated side plot

median marsh
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I honestly feel they’re going back to the past events of these movies to try to find what caused the metal shit to happened

median sequoia
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Ooooh

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nah

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well, that’s broad. I should explain myself lol

median marsh
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I feel like it’s gonna be some endgame avengers stuff where they had to go back in pivotal moments and they fuck up some important stuff

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That’s why it’s showing the most iconic locales from each of those characters

median sequoia
# median sequoia nah

I don’t think it’s impossible, IF the movie were either split in two parts or it’s a long ass movie.

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I say that mostly because time travel can be a very finnicky plot device & establishing it off the back with damn near riffing off of what endgame did in that manner- something the writers didn’t even want to do in sonic 2, when they were simply concepting the idea of having sonic & tails go on a fetch quest for the emeralds, because of not wanting to step on the heels of endgame.

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BUT, I think there’s room for originality in there in a modified outline of that concept

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so that it isn’t to similar.

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maybe it’s been far out enough to not make the plot feel derivative or copy cat-ish to audiences.

median marsh
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Definitely setting shit up for silver ngl

sweet river
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It would be funny if they set up Sonamy only to end it as Amy being the sister of the family

That would be hilarious and cruel

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And then you’ll get slander like “YOU LIKE SONAMY?! Isn’t that incest?!”

median sequoia
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feels like a lot.

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median sequoia
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which might sound silly

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but, I keep looking at this cast size and stuff, and it’s to early out to be definitive with these kinds of things but it’s like damn…lot of ground to cover.

median sequoia
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not AS bad as how that’d be though ofc.

fallen harness
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It’s His World playing at the end?

next wedge
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sounds like it yea

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could be a coincidence

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but I think the comparison is wrong here

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cuz is just the end part of his world

sturdy token
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Someone said it was just the end of Sonic Boom

elder bear
sick coyote
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They did and I am forever salty they didn't use that for the steelbook like they did with sonic 2's recreation of the American box art

elder bear
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he looks so good here

sick coyote
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They had the means and THEY DIDN'T DO IT

drifting mason
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They could use some work, but yeah I like those

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It's kind of weird that the posters were generally a downgrade compared to S2

night scarab
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📑 Translated from Japanese

Following Shadow, I’m beyond thrilled and deeply moved that characters I designed are appearing in a Hollywood movie! Following Shadow, Emy and Metal Sonic are also appearing in a Hollywood movie~! So thrilled! 😊😊😊

Original text
Following Shadow, I’m beyond thrilled and deeply moved that characters I designed are appearing in a Hollywood movie!
︀︀シャドウに続いて、エミーやメタルソニックもハリウッドムービーに出演だ~!嬉しすぎる!😊😊😊

Quoting Sonic the Hedgehog (@SonicMovie)

The countdown to chaos has begun. 💎 #SonicMovie4 - only in theatres March 19, 2027.

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dusky garnet
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Is it weird to say that i love this logo lol

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Its simple but the neon blue and pink really work

ember talon
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really shows why it's been used a lot together

ember talon
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I don’t know what Movie Shadow’s role will be in #SonicMovie4. But let’s remember that Director Jeff Fowler confirmed that Movie Shadow will not join Team Sonic or become part of the Wachowski family. He made it clear that’s not who Movie Shadow is. He confirmed that Movie Shadow will do his own thing and become a lone wolf. #Sonic
#AmyRose #Knuckles #Tails

QRT: DiscussingFilm
Shadow will return in ‘SONIC 4’.

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Honestly if they went this direction over shadow, I’m fine with it

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But on the other hand, it’s going to be harder to tell how rouge and omega will be implemented if they wanted to do team dark

vagrant zinc
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I dont think so tbh

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Going lone wolf route means he can meet new people

ember talon
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Oh yeah

vagrant zinc
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Shadow is a lone wolf in the games, but that doesn't stop team dark from existing when they need to

ember talon
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I just meant more like in terms of what direction they’ll do with those two. Omega especially since no sign of e series yet

vagrant zinc
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Well since theyre introducing more sentient robots like metal, im sure Omega will get his time too

ember talon
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Yeah that could be it

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I say it comes down to either shadow spinoff or sonic 5 movie when it comes to omega

peak dew
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I think by lone wolf here they literally just mean “not moving into Tom’s attic” lol

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I can easily see team dark happening and him hanging with them but def very separate from sonic & co’s living situation

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(Amy on the other hand is absolutely moving into that attic though lmao)

ember talon
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No doubt

wicked hearth
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Shadow's role in 4 will be revealing how he survived, and that Robotnik did not survive, also setting him up for his movie where he meets Rouge and Omega

distant lion
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yo

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movie 4 title reveal is running in theaters

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I watched PHM today, and what a phenomenal film it was. Really emotional and such a visual spectacle. I also saw this infront of it. This was the first actual teaser for Sonic 4.

If it keeps its date, we'll likely see the first full trailer sometime around September - October.

QRT: SonicMovie
The countdown to chaos has begun. 💎 #SonicMovie4 - only in theatres March 19, 2027.

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dusky garnet
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Interesting to put it as a trailer

elder bear
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i guess they actually want this movie to be big

dusky garnet
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this teaser is kind of a teaser of a really important event

elder bear
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even for third one they enver put title reveal in cinemas

fallen harness
distant lion
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it ran infront of PHM so i dont see why it would occur differently

long fractal
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Seeing a Sonic trailer in front of the Mario Movie is gonna be so funny

distant lion
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i really did hope they took alot of feedback from how they marketed movie 3

fallen harness
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It seems like they are

dusky garnet
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I meann it worked bu the end

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And they did a massive push in the last month

fallen harness
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Sonic 3 didn’t have this type of title reveal

distant lion
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ala: jelly roll doing the main theme when it really didnt fit the movie as a whole, the late marketing window and silence when keanu got casted where they 100% could've capitalized on, and so on

also ffs run your trailers on cable channels isntead of CBS

dusky garnet
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O h

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YES

distant lion
dusky garnet
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jelly roll doing the main theme god it sucked SO MUCH

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now that it has been near two years

long fractal
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You think The Weeknd is doing the theme for this movie

elder bear
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its not

dusky garnet
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We can all say that jelly roll song was horrible right

distant lion
dusky garnet
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Right

elder bear
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it made 86M more

distant lion
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felt 100% like a last minute thing

dusky garnet
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It feels like the most

distant lion
dusky garnet
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Bald white man decision who isnt a creative pushing this shit

elder bear
long fractal
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I feel like following the success of the third movie Jeff Fowler and SEGA have gotten a lot more creative freedom with the third movie

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Judging by this teaser alone

distant lion
long fractal
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We never had a teaser that just worked as a trailer like that

dusky garnet
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This teaser is too good for what it is

distant lion
dusky garnet
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They just went from revealing a title to just lets tease the whole movie already

distant lion
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more specifically, SoA

distant lion
dusky garnet
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Movie 4

distant lion
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o

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yeah it feels like that

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i still think we're gonna get something around june like how we got it with movie 2

paper cradle
dusky garnet
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Ugagwghhh

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Its so BAD

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can sonic 4 have a good song

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Please???

long fractal
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I thought Run It was pretty decent

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It grew on me

tall blaze
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But yeah they need something better

paper cradle
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i still think stars in the sky was pretty good

distant lion
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i really hope if NEO is in the movie they need to hide that shit and the respective VA

distant lion
paper cradle
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but yeah i didnt care for the other 2 sonic movie tracks

distant lion
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speed me up was decent too

dusky garnet
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They are all bad

paper cradle
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we love the flames of disaster song though...

dusky garnet
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Im tired of acting like i think about these songs ever

long fractal
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Idk Stars in the Sky is pretty good

paper cradle
elder bear
long fractal
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Still a really odd creative choice to have a country song be the end credits theme of the SA2 movie

dusky garnet
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Its INSANE how much it does not fit sonic 3

distant lion
elder bear
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does anyone have that one tiktok video of animated character dancing to this song

distant lion
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i dont think i do actually LMAO

long fractal
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Run it is fine

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I just wish they did something better

dusky garnet
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It is such a corporate shit decision just because country music was getting up back then

vast inlet
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I don't like any of the songs they made for the movies and I don't see that changing with 4 myself

dusky garnet
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I just want something thats Fine

vast inlet
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Kid Cudi's was the least "bad" one I guess, but it's still not in my playlist, so

dusky garnet
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Like it doesnt have to blow up the world

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But it has to be Decent

paper cradle
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honestly i dont get how they didnt try getting like

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a more popular artist to cover a sonic track or smth

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feels like a no brainer

dusky garnet
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I think they could choose any pop artist next

distant lion
dusky garnet
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Weeknd really wouldnt be bad tbh

tall blaze
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He's the best fit

dusky garnet
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His music would fit the movie better than any of the others

paper cradle
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they always have pop artists covering the theme song for live action adaptations of cartoons

long fractal
paper cradle
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remember when they had post malone chip and dale

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they could just do like

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idk man post malone cosmic eternity 😭

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it wouldnt be good but itd be really funny

dusky garnet
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I hate Blinding Lights but if it played in the credits for Sonic 4 i wouldnt complain lmfao

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Like i hate it for how overplayed it is

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But it would fit something like sonic 4

tall blaze
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Use anything from Dawn FM keanu

dusky garnet
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Better than fucking Run It

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Yeehaw fucking song

paper cradle
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i just cant listen to run it without the poster of wade whipple rotating into frame in my mind

dusky garnet
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Its so trash

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I just want something thats not trash and fits the movie

paper cradle
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ITS SONIC CD MAN IT HAS 2 GREAT ENDING SONGS

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JUST

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USE ONE OF THEM

vast inlet
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no

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prepare for more white republican music

paper cradle
dusky garnet
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At least have a black artist

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Something less jelly roll is very welcome

distant lion
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something other than jelly roll

tall blaze
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They'll get Post lmfaoo

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Too bad he stopped making good music...

dusky garnet
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…. amy_irked ill take it

night scarab
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Run It mention?!?!?!

dusky garnet
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Again bottom of the barrel has been achieved

dusky garnet
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Lets just have something a little better

night scarab
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WE DO THIS EVERYWHERE WE GO

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I THINK YA KNOW

tall blaze
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I'll take a My Sweet Passion remix istg

dusky garnet
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Sabrina Carpenter My Sweet Passion cover

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she would kill it

paper cradle
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the real question is - what so retro style will they use for the credits

dusky garnet
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actual dreamcast models

paper cradle
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if they were cool they'd get like

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a 2D animation studio to do an animation in a style adjacent to the CD opening but with movie sonic

dusky garnet
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Ooooo

paper cradle
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but no chance in hell that they're doing that lmao

dusky garnet
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Man

paper cradle
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mayyyyybe if tyson somehow has even more creative control this time around

dusky garnet
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He probably might have

paper cradle
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what would movie sonic even look like in that style

dusky garnet
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Junio sonic with two eyes

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Thats all

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And blue arms

paper cradle
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ig thats probably what they'd do

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actually

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they havent even done 2 eyes for the previous credits

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it could just be junio sonic with blue arms

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tyson would prob like to do that

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i can imagine it tbh

2D animated blue arms sonic, with jelly roll badly composited singing next to him for the music video...

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WE DO THIS EVERYWHERE WE GO

dusky garnet
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Reported

fallen harness
sweet river
distant lion
sweet river
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Making a dogshit country pop song isn’t enough apparently

dusky garnet
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Dude

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I dont wanna be gross

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But that was my first assumption right away

next wedge
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The song wasn't that bad tbh

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Not better than stars in the sky tho

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Better than speed me up

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For sure 😭

sweet river
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Well it’s Jelly Roll so ethically speaking it’s dogshit

barren dock
delicate galleon
peak dew
median sequoia
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I'm over here saying "man, animating like 7 or 8 animated CG characters is gonna be a whooole lot of work.."

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And I forgot about THAT part

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There's the obvious copy and paste method for some scenes, but I KNOW they're trying to be on their 'I. Robot' shit.

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Dear god, I forgot that the cg looked like that

night anvil
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they only need to have like 5 metal sonic’s total for the main characters to really worry about and all the others can be (relatively) easily reposted fodder

amber mortar
next wedge
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Wdymmm

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Is a good movie

barren dock
median sequoia
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They might honestly show out at cinemacon for whatever they'll have by then.

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Maybe that same early footage they showed to the imax people last year.

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Because this seems to be their 'big one'.

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Well sonic in general is their sole reliable thing now admist all the bullshit, but you know what I mean.

distant lion
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yeah

boreal hornet
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They'll probably just do a quick mention of Sonic 4

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But don't expect like anything substantial

peak dew
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ATLA got moved to streaming IIRC so they're def sending that out to die with little fanfare lol

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street fighter is absolutely getting a ton of focus tho

boreal hornet
median sequoia
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Which is being built around sonic in terms of the 2028 one ig

sturdy token
next wedge
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🌽

ember talon
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🌽

tall blaze
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🍽️

spice ember
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we are not bringing back corn plate in 2026

drifting mason
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Yeah, stop jet engining it

median sequoia
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This comes from the creative director at Team Aspect, who made the title reveal video.

sturdy token
median sequoia
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So I further assume that this background differentiation wasn't by 'coincidence' or 'happenstance'.

drifting mason
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Are both Green Hill?

sturdy token
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Nah

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the first one is a forest of Montana

fallen harness
median sequoia
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With his home planet in the bg

sick coyote
wicked hearth
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maybe not a hint, it's just my idea that in Sonic 4, Sonic will not be much with Tails and Knuckles, they spent 2 and 3 being a team, so it's clear as I said in the past, 4 focuses on Sonic and Amy

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Tails and Knuckles I could see doing something else, and then all four team up in the final battle

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And of course, Shadow should barely appear to set up his own movie

median sequoia
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Richard Ayode is really the only new human character in the cast now that I'm looking at it.

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I'm like mostly sure that it's gonna be a Jorma Taccone scenario, rather than an 'key character' situation.

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And by that I mean, less than a minute of screentime but still being announced regardless.

median sequoia
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But they're both British

dusky garnet
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Lmao

peak dew
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thinking about the teaser again, the focus on the emeralds and the general cracking glass motif going on at the start/end

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in an interview with Tyson/the movie writers before 3 dropped they mentioned considering an emerald-finding plot but scrapped the idea (and stuck all the emeralds in the M.E) cos it was too similar to infinity war/the infinity stones, plus the worry of it being too rinse-repeat to do it for all seven emeralds

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I wonder if they’re revisiting that idea, both cos it’s been more time since infinity war for the dust to settle but also cos the cast is a lot bigger now so they can send folks off in different directions to get emeralds and regroup at the end

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(similar to the metal virus now I think of it)

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also, something I have a vague hunch about cos these films have had a trend of doing new twists on things we’ve known from the games for ages (super Robotnik in 2, a proper full-on supers fight in 3), I wonder if they’re finally gonna buck the trend and

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finally do Super Amy

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the whole “only guy hedgehogs can go super” is incredibly antiquated and if anyone’s gonna go against it I think the movie team’s gonna be the ones to bite the bullet

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(I don’t see them spreading super forms outside of hedgehogs tbf, but that gender limit has gotta go at some point lol)

fallen harness
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I agree ngl

sturdy token
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Mhm

drifting mason
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I actually believe that's pretty likely if we're going to see Metal evolve into his Neo form

sturdy token
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I always found that rule very dumb

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And arbitrary

dusky garnet
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Very Likely we get super amy

ember talon
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With how recognizable neo metal has been getting, I'll be surprised if he is ignored

peak dew
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100% feels completely arbitrary yeah

ember talon
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And yeah SUper Amy has to happen

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But I feel like Tails and Knuckles should get it too

drifting mason
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They could pull a Heroes and make the entire cast go super

ember talon
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Since those 3 are the only one that should earn it

dusky garnet
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Like i could see Sonic Amy and Shadow getting super

drifting mason
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(properly)

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But that feels a lot less unlikely

peak dew
ember talon
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Like I don't think the super form should go excessive, but when it comes to getting more super forms

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It's Tails, Knuckles, and Amy

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Those 3 earn it for a good long time

dusky garnet
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I think that would be the way they would one up that

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I dont think tails and knuckles would be super

peak dew
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batta batta swing but with super Amy whacking sonic and shadow at Neo metal when

drifting mason
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There's just no way Sonic would be the only person going super considering they have to up S3

dusky garnet
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They are gonna up sonic 3 by having amy being super

sturdy token
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Yeah. Plus I think Amy deserves it

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She is one of the Main core

peak dew
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but the gender limitation gotta go lol

dusky garnet
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It has to yea

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And thats a good way to do it

ember talon
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Oh yeah the gender limitation needs to be gone

drifting mason
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Hopefully this can teach the games a good lesson and learn that we want to see other characters getting super forms

ember talon
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Honestly very good chance considering with both Sonic 2 Movie and Sonic 3 movie

dusky garnet
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We sort of Have super amy in the classic games now but

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They dont even like calling her super amy

sturdy token
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They just call it a super power

dusky garnet
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Super powered

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So fucking dumb

ember talon
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That shit pisses me off a lot

drifting mason
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It's almost the same thing as giving Tails and Knuckles super shields in Sonic Heroes' finale. They just can't quite do it

ember talon
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It baffles me even more over Knuckles where he can clearly do that since he is able to utilize similar powers to Sonic and Shadow in the movie

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Tails less so but depends

sturdy token
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Like I get not everyone needs or should go super but the franchise has handled it in a really bad way

ember talon
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They only need to give it just Tails, Knuckles, and amy. That's it

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I don't think anyone else should

sturdy token
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Making it feel extremely selective

ember talon
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Like for example. having Chaotix getting it will be questionable

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Or even of the IDW chars 💀

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ember talon
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Which even then is a hard reach

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If they are willing to give more super forms, it's only just Tails, Knuckles, or Amy

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That's all

drifting mason
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Quite funny when you think about it

ember talon
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I am still mad over that

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Especially the moment SIlver debut

peak dew
vast inlet
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If it's not already a thing in the next game

peak dew
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maybe not immediately cos of dev timelines but by the next big game afterwards for sure

peak dew
vast inlet
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Considering the whole 35th anniversary focusing on the whole emeralds iconography

drifting mason
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I guess

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Frontiers was hesitant to us give anything new in terms of forms until the final update arrived

sturdy token
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I don't think they were hesitant there. Just didn't deem it necessary

ember talon
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Nah Frontiers is understandable

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Superstars however is just dumb

drifting mason
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I can't imagine a cyber form for Sonic wasn't heavily considered until after release

sturdy token
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Given that they cut the idea of Hyper Sonic returning before it Even could broom

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I truly doubt they planned a new form there

drifting mason
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Hyper forms are a pretty complicated case on their own

distant lion
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and if the movies need to break it, i think iizuka is way more relaxed on the mandates compared to the 2010s

dusky garnet
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I think its about time

peak dew
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yeah, I think part of it’s not having the right opportunity to do it in the games yet but like

dusky garnet
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In a movie about her as a focus after Sonic 3 they gotta do it

peak dew
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this is literally the opportunity, on a silver platter

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if they don’t do it now they’re prolly never gonna do it frankly

dusky garnet
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It would be really disappointing if super sonic happens but not super amy

sturdy token
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Mhm

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The movies already take some liberties with respect to the games

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so taking this chance for a third super hedgehog and is Amy

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would give a huge pr to them as a brand

sweet river
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Super Amy would be wild to see in the movies but idk SEGA allows Paramount to do whatever but they do get to have a say

distant lion
distant lion
peak dew
median sequoia
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One thing I'd really like to see are some of the other metal sonic's across the franchise in here.

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Maybe recontextualized as different builds for different purposes in this eggman ruled bad future we're getting?

peak dew
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I could absolutely see metal knux and tails doll in here, yeah

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not sure about anything else, metal 3.0 sorta just

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exists lol

median sequoia
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Get this mf in there like as a bruiser

ember talon
median sequoia
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Also this has been on my mind

mossy imp
median sequoia
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Honestly wouldn't be shocked if they're simultaneously working on solely CG sequences from now to then.

So much about this film has really given the vibe of wanting to get on things early/hit the floor running.

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Be it the Bora Bora filming in October, Amy's VA announcement, and now the title reveal being pushed into theaters as is.

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I'm still advocating for a Sam Raimi movie for Sonic

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If DC won't hire him, pick him up Sonic

distant lion
drifting mason
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Okay then

distant lion
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KILL PARAMOUNT MARKETING

ember talon
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huh?

tall blaze
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At long as it's just a week difference then fine but if it's two weeks or over avoiding spoilers then bleh

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stares at Sonic 2

drifting mason
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Leaks will probably be more worrying if there are any

spice ember
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that many views in a day⁉️

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oh the uploader has over 2m, checks out vectorRunners

sturdy token
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😭

amber mortar
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Ykw, i'll give it an eye later, cuz i don't think they are particularly good but i wonder what they mean

next wedge
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I think 2 is the best one

dusky garnet
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I honestly dont really Love any of them

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I think they are fine at best

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They all have some sort of fatal flaw

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Sonic 2 is how rushed sonic and tails relationship is

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Sonic 3 is too much jim carrey

amber mortar
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Rushed altogether lmao

dusky garnet
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Sonic 1 is.. well its less fatal flaw just being whatever

amber mortar
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It's a movie with sonic and not a sonic movie

dusky garnet
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Which one

amber mortar
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First 2 imo but moreso 1

dusky garnet
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Right

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I think sonic 2 feels very sonic focused

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Sonic 3 is where the focus feels a little off to me

amber mortar
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Sm3's fatal flaw is tonal whiplash towards the last 20 min

dusky garnet
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Hm sure

amber mortar
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I'm on board until jim carrey thought it was a good idea to spank himself

dusky garnet
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I think they didnt do gerald too well

amber mortar
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They didn't

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He's good for a like 30 sec in the entire movie

dusky garnet
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Once he showed himself to eggman of what he truly wants it should have been no more funnies

amber mortar
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30 sec when they were like "oh yeah this guy is supposed to be mad about smthng"

dusky garnet
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That comic con joke is terrible

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Eggman was fine though

amber mortar
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It's jim carrey yeah

dusky garnet
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Cuz those 30 seconds were good

amber mortar
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They were

dusky garnet
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And it just

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Didnt go much than that

amber mortar
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Oh it got completely shelved

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To the point which it could be considered ooc for movie gerald

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Like yeah were does that come from from the pov of someone who doesn't know who gerald is

dusky garnet
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There is also the problem of gerald not spending time with maria and all that

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Everything about gerald is very iffy

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I already dont like the humor, they didnt let him spend time with maria or keep that sinister feel after he reveals it all

amber mortar
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I hope sonic 4 doesn't have eggman at all and it's just metal thoughout the whole thing

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As in

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Overlord

dusky garnet
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But we had enough time for eggman and gerald do some weird scorpion fight

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Or spanking

amber mortar
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Which could be an excuse for a more serious role (LMAOOOO WON'T HAPPEN)

dusky garnet
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Yea no sorry

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Jim will be back as eggman

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Its all that normies care about

dusky garnet
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Normies did not give a fuck about shadow

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It was all jim carrey that carried somic 3 for them

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Sadly im afraid sonic 4 will be no different

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Despite it feeling like a movie with way more interesting things going on than just giving jim carrey screentime

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But yea

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I am not the biggest fan of these movies

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They are fine

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And i dont think sonic 4 will be much better

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I just want them to surprise me with amy

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Shadow was pretty good at least

spice ember
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My issue with Jim is less him as Eggman and moreso as Gerald

dusky garnet
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Aside from tails i like the main cast as a whole

spice ember
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and Gerald is gone, soooo

dusky garnet
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Yea thats what i think

spice ember
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I honestly find him very entertaining as robotnik in 2 and 3

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More so 2

dusky garnet
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I am one of those who thinks jims portrayal of eggman fits really well with who eggman is

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And kinda wish it seeped through the games too

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A little bit more crazy and manchildish

amber mortar
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Ehhhh

dusky garnet
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I find it way more interesting than eggman now

amber mortar
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Idk he needs to be menacing at least once in while

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Idw him to always be a buffon

dusky garnet
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I think hes Menacing enough

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I thought he was quite menacing in sonic 2 very power and villainous

spice ember
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That is the first time I’ve ever seen anyone use idw as an abbreviation

dusky garnet
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And sonic 1 he was kinda somewhat realistic

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In his evilness

spice ember
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Personally I don’t think we’ll ever see jim go full tilt menacing

dusky garnet
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Which is Fine to me

spice ember
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I just need metal to fill that spot for me teehee

dusky garnet
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What i like about eggman is his hamminess

next wedge
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I think these movies are good to watch it only once ngl 😭

dusky garnet
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Not how menacing he can be

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Like there are lines with eggjim that i just find entertaining

spice ember
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I really do hope they go down the route of Metal Sonic pretending to be him because mannn that would be gas

drifting mason
amber mortar
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Yes that's what im saying, i don't want him to seep into game eggman cuz this one can be actually menacing every now and then

drifting mason
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I mean

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I can't disagree

next wedge
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That's why I think 2 is the best one, story wise there is other movies that have done it better but the pacing is really good and yeah tails friendship is kinda rushed but that's most likely cuz it was voiced by a non famouse person

spice ember
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Well I don’t watch a lot of movies more than once to begin with

dusky garnet
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Ya

spice ember
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or more than twice I should say

dusky garnet
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Thats me too

next wedge
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for 3 I think the first time watch is great but after rewatching I didnt like it as much 😭

dusky garnet
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I dont watch many movies at all

spice ember
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Honestly i liked 3 more on a rewatch

next wedge
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but I also had some problems with it in the first time, as for movie 1 I cant blame it

next wedge
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is just another live action mascot movie

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😭

next wedge
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yea

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at least better than 3

amber mortar
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Aight enough tails channel for today

next wedge
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the third movie feels like it goes so fast

dusky garnet
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Listen its davih what did you expect

next wedge
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you jump from here to here to there to that

amber mortar
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Gn gang (i don't feel tired at all)

next wedge
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is like they cut a lot of it

dusky garnet
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Gngngn

spice ember
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davih really just coming in here to say anything and dip (we love him)

next wedge
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Im not

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Im just saying what I feel about it 😭

spice ember
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we were talking about Jim Carrey and you were like “yk these movies are only really good on a first watch” 😭😭

next wedge
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I already talked about it when it came out too how the movie just felt like it was cut a lot and how fast it goes

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ah no

next wedge
dusky garnet
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Well for jimegg to me he is threatening enough for me to be satsfied

spice ember
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ohhh ok

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well it was super late !

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use a reply‼️

spice ember
next wedge
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as for the gerald and eggman, I cant blame it

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I think sgm was the one that gave a good reason when the third movie came out

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gerald despite being important to shadow he's almost a nobody in the games

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so his character barely exist aside from being eggman family

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yeah

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in the games gerald is merely a plot device

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to contextualize certain bits

ember talon
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I did yesa

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he wasn't really a character per se

peak dew
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yeah he pretty much sits in a chair and gets shot in SA2

next wedge
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yeah 😭

peak dew
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shadow's game fleshes it out a bit more IIRC but not like, loads

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shadow gens was em properly giving him a bit more meat on the bones

next wedge
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like I understand cuz when you see him in adventure 2 before he gets killed is like woah this guy is a meanace but in the end he's just a more chilll eggman

sturdy token
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I'd say it wasn't until Shadow Gens with the journal that he didn't become an actual character, yea

next wedge
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and shadow gens also shows that

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😭

peak dew
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same with maria tbh

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do they even mention maria's mystery illness in sa2 proper

dusky garnet
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I dont mind crazy gerald

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But he is kind of redundant

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it was revealed in a document exclusive to a Japanese guide

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AKA the Truth of 50 years ago

dusky garnet
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Once he reveals his plan the mood should have chamged entirely

next wedge
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making an eggman clone in the movie was the most safe, not to mention that is also jim carrey doing it

sturdy token
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that content later got adapted in Sonic X and Archie which is where most fans got that data from

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Can't wait to see jim spanking himself and doing the floss again in Sonic 4

sturdy token
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but sa2 (heck none of the games until Shadow gens) really showed Maria's illness in a game in itself

tall blaze
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Fuck

dusky garnet
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You know whats funny

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Thats a good line from the teaser

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Whatever it is

ember talon
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I'm perfectly fine with Jim, but as long it's only Eggman

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That's all

dusky garnet
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It is just kind of threatening in tone

drifting mason
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The one about the world being in danger?

dusky garnet
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Yes

ember talon
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Jim to me did a fantastic job with Eggman and I look forward to him. But we do not need 2 Jim carry

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That's all I care

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But I do hope they do the "fake" eggman that bring us Neo metal since that's one of the best way to utilize the big bad of sonic 4 movie

dusky garnet
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Im gonna guess though

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That sonic 4 will be 60% cgi

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I might be wrong

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But thats what im feeling

drifting mason
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Might as well try to go all in

dusky garnet
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This is a shot i expected but its still very cool to see

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I hope metal sonic is good

peak dew
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I'd imagine he'd be evil aye

drifting mason
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I don't think they can fumble Metal Sonic

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Out of every character

dusky garnet
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I think they need him to be menacing and ruthless and cause trouble right away

peak dew
dusky garnet
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Like metal sonic from ova felt right to me

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He looked dangerous right away

peak dew
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tails maybe imo? I dunno if I like his immense gadget focus, but everyone else is so goddamn good

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knux and shadow they completely nailed

dusky garnet
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Yea but tails is a fumble since 20 years ago

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As a whole

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Knuckles and Shadow im just content

sturdy token
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Shadow is really nice

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I like him a lot

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and yeah I don't think they will fumble Metal Sonic

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Shadow and Knuckles in their respective debuts were handled really well

dusky garnet
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Like they gotta make him do some damage

sturdy token
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as antagonistic figures to Sonic

dusky garnet
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Metal needs to be a destructive force

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Also he needs to land hits on everyone

sturdy token
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If they go full terminator with Metal, I think he can be, ironically speaking. a force of nature

dusky garnet
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God

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Its so weird though

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To see a movie, a whole ass movie

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Themed around Amy

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She never got ANYTHING

drifting mason
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But him aside, I guess so

dusky garnet
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Well gerald is a different deal

tall blaze
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They fumbled Pachacamac but ig that isn't saying much lmao

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Such a waste of Christopher Lloyd

dusky garnet
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Like she never got

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Anything

tall blaze
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WRONG!!!!

dusky garnet
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Its kind of a big deal

dusky garnet
tall blaze
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The best game ever ofc

dusky garnet
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Why do those guys look like shrek

tall blaze
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But yea it's gonna be cool seeing Amy have some spotlight finally focused on her

dusky garnet
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Man i cant say i am Not excited about it

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Cuz i like Amy

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And seeing her be the focus (and metal) would be so interesting

dusky garnet
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Like, i am scared for her

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But also excited

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Cuz like, i want her to be good i want her to be a great character

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And i am not those people who are like

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She MUST be in love with sonic

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I feel like to be Amy there is a lot of ways they can accomplish that without needing that part

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Im ok with her being a badass, just dont want it to be all to her

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I want her to have her qualities from the games

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A good showcase of that

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And compared to tails knuckles and shadow

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All her fans are just a bunch of shippers who all just care if she gets with sonic

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Most of them anyways

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Is the fate of many of the The Girl Character fanbase

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All they care is the romance part, nothing about personality and execution of that

median sequoia
spice ember
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you watched all 2 hours?

median sequoia
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I think it’s a nice inside view at what the most casual fan that’s grown up mostly with the 90’s centric perception of sonic growing up kind of takeaway is like, and it’s fairly in-depth with the breakdown of the narrative/writing and why these movies gel with the general audience & fans.

median sequoia
spice ember
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fairs

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I’m lowk gonna do the same thing !

median sequoia
dusky garnet
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NOT YOU

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i have to be clear

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You cuz you like sonamy doesnt mean you think like that

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Many others too

median sequoia
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Yeah, a large amount of her following of her character has been intertwined with pairing her with other characters rather than just who she is.

dusky garnet
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I know that cuz thats what i seen as my time as a amy fan

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In deviantart, on other places

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Amy fans are usually automatically sonamys

median sequoia
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That’s not to say that there aren’t fans that are fans of her in the same way others may like sonic, or shadow, etc. But it feels a bit less vocal in the grand picture

dusky garnet
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It is less vocal yea

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I seen people who love amy and ship her with a girl

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But its very few far in between

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Sonamy is the most popular ship

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The problem is that amys love for sonic is seen as the only thing that matters

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And it goes for a LOT of other female characters

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If you are a fan of aerith

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You probably ship her with cloud

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If you are a fan of tifa

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You probably ship her with cloud

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Then if you are a fan of cloud

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Anything can happen

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You could ship him with any freaking one

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His fanbase specifically is not defined to anything

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As popular as tifa is for example

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Who knows maybe people ship him with sephiroth
Is very much uncertain

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If you are a fan of sonic the hedgehog, the character, also, who tf knows if you ship him with somebody or not

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And thats just kind of sad???

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Not to ship her with sonic

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Just to be like

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In your mind, if all you care about is her love for sonic and vice versa

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People can enjoy things however they want

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But i feel when you love a character

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There is a lot more to be worried about than that

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And amy is all about who she is with

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Not her as a character

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But as i said
thats how it goes for female characters

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And i dont want to say anyone is a fake fan

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Its just a lot of what i seen, is a lot of just desire to pair amy with someone

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And not talk about her, as she is

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Likely cuz most of the time, her prime personality trait is that she is sonics self proclaimed girlfriend, loudly and proudly

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And as someone who doesnt ship Amy with anyone, i do feel a little lefted out

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Cuz i can see the potential of amy besides her love for sonic and the romance that could come with it

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But it feels like all people are waiting for first and foremost is the said romance

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I am just desperate for her to be good and likable

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After shit like crossworlds amy i need this

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Jesus i typed a lot

sturdy token
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because characters like Amy were conceived under the idea of being shipped

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so a lot of her value as a character, for a lot of people, will come from that angle

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rather than her own merit

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I personally do feel what you say. She is a character that has a lot going for her, with plenty to offer to people

But the whole ship aspect is sadly a curse for many characters

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as they will be delimited to that ship

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rather than how they work individually

night anvil
dusky garnet
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She was built to just be the plot mcguffin first

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But then stuff like sa1 turned her into a way more fun character to have independent of her trope

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And it went on, she became playable she did cool stuff

peak dew
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also helps that people who weren’t sonic team gave her cool stuff between her conception and sa1

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am2 gave her the hammer, StC gave her a crossbow and lesbian

dusky garnet
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Right i forget am2 gave her a hammer

peak dew
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Archie…. actually I’m not sure what Archie did for Amy lol

dusky garnet
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Uh gave her a ring that jumped her age from 8 to 16

peak dew
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I think nothing cos of the squirrel fuck

dusky garnet
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Still

peak dew
sturdy token
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So far of what I've read, nothing in particular has stood up for Amy

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but I did see some essays of her being the best Amy

dusky garnet
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Im kinda glad sonic has no interest in amy at all in archie

sturdy token
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so something must had happened in Archiefor her to get that title

peak dew
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StC still best Amy but at the same time I’m completely biased lol

sturdy token
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at least, thats what I assume

dusky garnet
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Like even in her early moments he was like oh this little kid is doing her thing

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And after that he never gave her any chance

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I kinda like it

sturdy token
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Yeah, it was cute.

I will say, Amy here feels the most 'little kid' out of any Amy I've seen

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like she feels like a child in the middle of everything

dusky garnet
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Cuz she is to be fair

sturdy token
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even the age up was more in pro of being taken seriously by the others

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like she did it becase she wanted to go on adventures with Sonic & co

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and didn't find it fair that Tails could go in spite of them being the same age

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but they tell her that Tails is more experienced hence he is easier to insert into the adventures

dusky garnet
sturdy token
# dusky garnet

I remember finding this really adorable. I don't know, it's super cute how she does a protest

dusky garnet
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This is bizzare to look at, classic amy in a classic comic artstyle

sturdy token
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Mhm

dusky garnet
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Now im reminded of Sonic calling her a little girl in unleashed

sturdy token
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he did?

dusky garnet
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Yes

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“I know little girls that are better with a hammer than you! Well one anyway.”

sturdy token
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Oh yeah that

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I didn't remember lol

dusky garnet
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I love that line but also it makes me question what sonic thinks of amy lmfao

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Cuz yea it was meant for the joke but also him calling her a little girl is Interesting

dusky garnet
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The one?

sturdy token
dusky garnet
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What the actual fu- oh whatever

sturdy token
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Yeah that's partially why I don't like Sonamy in X

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Sonic is straight up an idiot with her there plenty of times

night anvil
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X Sonic? Stupid?

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b-but how could this be????

sturdy token
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The one of sa2 arc could work but Sonic looks more pissed at having to save Amy rather than pissed that Eggman got her and hurted her

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Like I think it could work if Sonic was more urgent or distressed on his reaction once Amy is injured due to Eggman, kinda like Loki in Infinity War

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(and yes, Sonic has shown more alert in situations where Amy is in danger so this would still be in character for this version of the character)

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Also this one

wicked hearth
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Jim Carrey was the best part of Sonic 3, I'm glad they use him so well in both 2 and 3, in different creative ways and you can tell he had a lot of fun, like having chaos powers, piloting a giant mech with magic energy basically, playing 2 characters and breaking the fourth wall

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I'm also glad that all of the game characters here feel "real" not because this is live action but because the stories are a lot more personal here, the main characters do not feel "static" like in the games, these are movies after all

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I particularly love Sonic 3 besides Shadow's arc, because it was more action packed and more animated as everyone said, they wanted the human element and they doubled on Jim Carrey here, not sure what they will do for 4, but as the producer Tim Miller said, they are getting more and more animated, so we will see more CGI characters hopefully, and I would like CGI worlds too... pleaaaase

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Like, Rockwell sucked in Sonic 3, but I think it was for a greater good, like reducing most of the screentime for boring human plots, and it worked, still I hope she is in the Shadow movie, don't get rid of Krysten Ritter, and also spin offs are made to go deep with minor characters, so why not

median sequoia
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There's an likelihood that the Babylon rogues/riders gets an adaptation at some point, and when they do?

Wacky Racers movie, that's all you gotta do for the baseline pitch of that kind of story.

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But, getting away from future talk.

In movie 4, I think we're really in need of an agent of change for the world/formula we've worked under for the past 3 movies.

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Which it seems that this is maybe the right place to do it with the prospect of time travel & worlds, etc, etc.

dusky garnet
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It has this feeling of it being a different movie

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I suppose

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Sonic 3 i still knew there would be very much the sonic movie isms

fallen harness
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Just got an instagram reel of someone saying we’re getting a Chaotix TV show and Knuckles S2… like what 😭

dusky garnet
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I do love saying shit too

versed karma
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and they're both played by Frank C. Turner

fallen harness
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Ok I’ve been thinking about this but if Sonic 4 has Metal Overlord what is the event film gonna be?

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The only thing I can think of is maybe 06 since Sonic Movie 4 is about time travel and that’s how we can get Silver involved somehow since they’re messing with the timeline

sweet river
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It’s going to be Perfect Chaos

ember talon
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It's honestly the most likely case scenario since back in Heroes one of the main thing Metal Sonic has scan was Chaos data

kind cedar
stuck nebula
elder bear
next wedge
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we go runnin runnin runnin 🗣️ 🔥

fallen harness
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It may not fit Sonic 3’s theme but it sure is catchy

dusky garnet
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No its not

spice ember
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No he’s right

night scarab
dusky garnet
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Silence billy bob jenkins

sweet river
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I’ll never value Republicanslop

next wedge
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I dont like the song but it is catchy lmao

median sequoia
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Probably the BLACKEST Of anthro animated movies, and his country twang headass had to get an end credit song in

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(No offense to the country folk.)

median sequoia
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Looking into it rn

fallen harness
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Also James might be doing reshoots for Doomsday right now in London

median sequoia
# median sequoia

There had to have been at least one long distance or close distance photo of this going down

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Even that filming in canary wharf for 3 got some photos

wicked hearth
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I thought they were already shooting in London a couple of weeks ago? Because Tika Sumpter posted a picture with Idris Elba and they were on set in London

median sequoia
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shinfield, not pinewood studios again

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*Shadowbox studios shinfield, to be more percise.

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mouthful

barren dock
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Interesting.

fallen harness
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Ok yeah I think James is doing Doomsday and Sonic 4 at the same time

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Cause Bri Larsen isn’t at the world tour event for Mario Galaxy cause of Doomsday reshoots

elder bear
delicate marten
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Royal we.

vast inlet
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We (derogatory)

dusky garnet
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This is a foul we

ashen flower
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oui

next wedge
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This song would've been a banger in 2014

elder bear
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this is the song you hear in minecraft youtuber intro

next wedge
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Trueeee

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What I'm saying

median sequoia
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I get pissed each time I hear this song

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who the hell decided this.

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who makes these picks

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is it the same person that got ice spice for spongebob

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I NEED ANSWERS

mossy imp
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I like the song still, but yeah they really should've chosen anything else😭

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I had my own idea of what they could've had as a song, but people might not see the visionchum

dusky garnet
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Show

mossy imp
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Well I had the idea for Run the Jewels showing up in one of these, but since the two characters it would make the most sense for them already got used, there's no point lol

sturdy token
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(just needed a dumb excuse to post the video lol)

drifting mason
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I'm sorta expecting him to be there the most, but it realistically could be anyone else

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Kinda clueless on what direction they will take after this one

ember talon
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Ngl yeah

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I can understand people expecting silver, but there is a chance it’s not him

boreal hornet
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If Jeff Fowler was cool he'd have it be Blaze and have her disconnected from Silver

drifting mason
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I'd be pretty cool with Blaze

sweet river
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Fowler peaked in his debut

spice ember
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it doesn't cost anything to not be unlikeable yk

sweet river
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Maybe they should

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I just found out that the same person who plays Agent Stone also played Ash in this weird fake live action Pokémon trailer. This was before Detective Pikachu btw

https://youtu.be/sDX1m0Y2Vkg

MORE INFORMATION AT: http://shogungamer.com/news/live-action-pokemon-movie-full-hd-trailer-and-interview-its-creators

Celadon City hasn't been the same since the Gyms closed down. Pokémon fighting has gone underground, and the sport has gotten a taste for blood. Ash, Misty, and Brock have been forced deep into the city's seedy underbelly to ke...

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next wedge
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That Pikachu still haunts me

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It’s in trending 😭

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night scarab
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YEA WE GON RUN IT RUN IT RUN IT TILL WE RUNNIN OUTTA ROAD

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O HEEEY O

drifting mason
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Sonic 4 credits track will save us, don't worry

fallen harness
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THIS AINT NO ONE HORSE RODEO

drifting mason
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Just gotta handle it for 1 more year

night scarab
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I THINK YA KNOW

fallen harness
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WHEN WE PULL UP GREEN LIGHTS OUR SHOW

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WASTED TIME AINT OVER RATED! NOT WHEN YOURE CELEBRATED

night scarab
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No no it's only funny when I do it

dusky garnet
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What the actual fuck

night scarab
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Oh wait

dusky garnet
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I was gonna say to fang “doing this unironically is yikes”

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AND

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NO

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FUCK

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I SHOULD HAVE SCREENSHOT

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night scarab
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I panicked

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Wait yeah it was

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Get yeeted @fallen harness

fallen harness
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What did I do

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amber mortar
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I think we should demote dex #tbh

cloud mist
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let me cope and dream

night scarab
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Heaven forbid someone have a little whimsy in their life!

amber mortar
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Hm

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James Marsden opens up about returning as Cyclops in Avengers: Doomsday, reflecting on how leadership and filming have evolved since his time in the original X-Men movies. In this interview, Marsden shares what it feels like stepping back into the iconic role, how the cast dynamic has changed, and why the experience now feels like one big family...

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A theory I read online that would really make me excited is that the "darkest timeline" in Sonic 4 actually begins at the end of Sonic 2, where Eggman succeeds in killing Sonic before he turns Super

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and thus conquers the world, goes even more insane and replaces Sonic with Metal Sonic

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If Robotnik is an emperor in a dystopia, Sonic must be dead so...

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elder bear
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they should have more tracks like this in 4th movievecort

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i actually like this remix

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elder bear
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shadow

drifting mason
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Stobotnik popping off for 4 movies in a row

sick coyote
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I know everyone's probably expecting stardust speedway in sonic 4

sweet river
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This would be a sick curveball

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This theme has been remixed often

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Outside of like what Transformed and Sochi iirc?

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No wait nvm

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Only Transformed

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spice ember
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not bad

dusky garnet
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I wonder what is the difference

ember talon
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I think the eyes?

dusky garnet
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It looks so default lol

dusky garnet
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Oh

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Yea the sonic 1 eyes work so much better

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The real one seems like someone edited cuz they disnt like how big his eyes were 😭

spice ember
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I think his new eyes are better

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They also edited his eyebags and made the patch between his eyes more prominent

paper cradle
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i think i prefer his new eyerises better but holy shit removing his forehead creases helps a lot

spice ember
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It’s kinda funny how that was dropped after movie 1

dusky garnet
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God the creases remember when that happend

paper cradle
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and yeah the eyebags dont need to be there lol

dusky garnet
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The movie 1 cgi was more appealing

elder bear
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i would not say that lol

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sonic def yea but aside from that first movie CGi is pretty weak

spice ember
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Honestly what I find interesting is that even if the new details makes him look a little less appealing as a cartoon character, it does make him pretty realistic while still looking like Sonic

paper cradle
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they technically started in sonic 2 but the knuckles show was when people started talking about them lmao

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dusky garnet
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The creases are like, why is it like this

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We dont need that

paper cradle
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it looked so much better without em in sonic 1 lmfao

dusky garnet
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Even his color was better

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He was less realistic

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But i liked it way more

paper cradle
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i actually kinda like his color in sonic 3

spice ember
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Yeah like let’s not get too crazy lmao

dusky garnet
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Nah thats my opinion lol

spice ember
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Super Sonic’s colors are pretty washed out though

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Compared to shadow at least

paper cradle
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i think its a good blue, not as desaturated as sonic 1 but not suuuuper saturated either

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paper cradle
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tbf thats kinda just, how dense these 2 roads probably are compared to eachother IRL lmao

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paper cradle
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yeah other than specifically his forehead, the CG in knuckles is real good

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like, better than sonic 2

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but also it was clearly a sacrifice of knuckles' screen time to get it looking this good 😭

spice ember
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It’s kind of mind boggling how well the CG characters are integrated into live action in Movie 3

paper cradle
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but like, the shabbat candle fight is prob the second best fight in the sonic movies after super sonic vs super shadow 😭

next wedge
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Sonic 2 also had a different studio doing it since the one from the first closed so considering the crunch on there

paper cradle
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and the next episode just BARELY HAS KNUCKLES

dusky garnet
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That took all the budget

paper cradle
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this amount of interaction between CG and real props and people, on a single shot

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its nuts

peak dew
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I’ll always give 2 the benefit of the doubt considering that it was practically entirely made during the height of covid

dusky garnet
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Oh yea it is a little ugly with reason

peak dew
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feels like a small miracle we got anything over that time