Sonic Movie

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Hopefully he returns

In this series, more often than not, the characters don't die

As for Shadow in the movies

I have a particular position

while I do prefer, as of now, the lore of game shadow

I do think that I prefer movie Shadow as a character

like even in the best that game Shadow has to offer, movie Shadow is just more resonant with me

not to say game Shadow is bad, mind you. Just that movie Shadow has plenty of stuff that I truly dig in

[tacit apex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N3nUaQ_lNA

I like this take on the logo intro

[agile dragon]

Oooo that’s really good

[tacit apex]

Especially Metal Sonic's eye being on the O

[sturdy token]

Oh that's cool

[analog trout]

h u e h u e h u e h u e

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https://tenor.com/view/metal-metal-sonic-sonic-goofy-cursed-gif-3188748735251383236

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https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-go-my-metal-sonic-metal-sonic-sonic-cd-knuckles-chaotix-go-metal-sonic-gif-5455408462557000696

stardust speedway is best sonic zone in classic sonic solely because H U E H U E H U E

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-cd-metal-sonic-sonic-villains-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-26867788

metal backshots

[indigo vapor]

I can never see this the same way again

[analog trout]

I mean...

he has a hole in the front for a reason

[indigo vapor]

NO

NO

AND NO

[analog trout]

yes.

[indigo vapor]

WE ARE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT

[analog trout]

yes we are.

[sick coyote]

me sending metal backshots into your brain

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-gif-19681636

[half pumice]

Since we're talking about it, I find movie Shadow to be a fascinating flip on his character, specifically his past self.
Shadow understood the reason for his creation and what the expectations were for him and was burdened by that knowledge. He felt like he was failing at what was supposed to be his entire reason for existing.

In contrast, by foregoing Maria's illness, movie Shadow was completely lost. He didn't know what his purpose was supposed to be. His burden was one of unknowing fear.

[sturdy token]

Movie Shadow is a very interesting take on the character because he can be resumed to a child who didn't know how to deal with grief

He was erratic, angry, confused across the entire movie

Which makes him feel very palpable

[analog trout]

galactic conquest, I'm tellin' ya

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Plus also it helps that the movie gives us a clear idea of what Maria meant for him

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I think it helps that their relationship wasn't obligational

not that their bond in the games was bad, but since Shadow was changed to be for humanitarian weaponized purposes, and Maria was brought just for the heck of it, it made their friendship all the more by-chance

Maria could've easily ignored Shadow and just hung out at the base, but since she chose her curiosity, she gave him the time of day the scientists might not have

[sturdy token]

Yeah. It makes the friendship be more realistic by making it feel that it just started out of an act of curiosity or a trivial one

like Lilo & Stitch

Lilo adopted Stitch simply because she thought Stitch was cute

and from there, their bond started to grow

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funny enough, saw a tweet earlier describing Movie Shadow just like that, if Lilo died and wasn't there to balance out Stitch's bad habits

[twin shoal]

Can Metal carrying a nuke?

[analog trout]

now that I think about it, Maria is definitely more like Lilo here than in the games

at least in the games, there's a reason why she's isolated from kids her age, being ill and needing space's anti-gravity to weigh down her condition

but she's alive and well in the movies, yet here she is moving into laboratories, not much of an ideal place to meet other kids,
and realistically, your grandfather lugging you around wherever he goes isn't what your parents would approve of... unless that grandfather is the only guardian you have left

so if anything, there's a chance Movie Maria herself has been a lonely kid, no parents and living in labs because that's the only world her grandpop knows

just like how Shadow is forced to go elsewhere, and having no place to go and with no one like him

[sturdy token]

Yeah in the movies she has a more mischeavous characterization

In the games she is more 'pure hearted'

[analog trout]

if anything, they stayed true with having each version of Maria's positive traits counterbalance their negative upbringing

Game!Maria staying pure hearted despite literally dying from illness

and Movie!Maria being such a lively kid despite living a possibly lonely, isolated life

[sturdy token]

Mhm. In general I'm very happy with movie 3

it handled the theme of grief very well

I specially adore the conversation with Sonic at the moon

It was a genuinely very good moment

One that was backed up by the experience of both of them

dealing with the pain of loss

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admittedly, it does have a slight 'done this already' vibe, since we had Sonic sitting with a rival alone and talking over their problems bit with the last film already,

though admittedly, not sure how else they would go about it, so it's not too bothersome

Shadow seeing the stars, and then sun shine over the Earth, though, was just beautiful

[sturdy token]

It was a similar base to the conversation with Knuckles in movie 2

But yeah

I don't see how they could avoid such thing

But yeah that moment was beautiful.

In a sense, that moment truly highlights why I don't like the Amy thing of sa2 from her side

I adore Amy in sa1 and sa2 characterization wise but Amy doesn't really do anything to make said change to Shadow truly make sense in it's context to my eyes

[analog trout]

I think it was talked about some time ago here, but would be nice for them to try it again concerning Metal, but Metal just smacks him away and won't turn over so easy

[sturdy token]

It would be neat and a nice callback to the OVA

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hence why plenty of conversation was about how easily inter-changable she would be if absent, since the deed to redeem Shadow was as easy as saying "Think again idiot", and worked

something that... doesn't exactly feel Amy-specific, if that makes sense

hence making Sonic be the one to redeem Shadow works in the movies since he literally went through what he did, a good display of what is the right route to take when hit with loss and tragedy

[sturdy token]

Yeah. Like I understand the moment at it's core with the whole 'people deserve a chance to live' but what does Amy do for it?

5D's has a similar moment from Z-one and Yusei, but Yusei actually has made people change their hearts for the better

Be either Trudge (a policeman who literally was hunting him to no end), Kiryu (a former comrade who wanted to kill him as a Dark Signer), the whole city of Neo Domino, etc

With Yusei feels guaranted he believes people can strive to be better and deserve a chance to live because he has done things that back-up his actions

[analog trout]

I think with how 'direct' or 'forward' SA2's plot is, there's not much time to accommodate small moments like, say theoretically, Amy in a scenario that exemplifies her thinking differently from Shadow's deathly mindset

and it's a shame since iirc, she was able to help Gamma go beyond his programming in SA1, so helping villains achieve a new perspective is an interesting element for her, which we only got a sliver of it in the end for 2

[sturdy token]

Words apart, I think it could work if it was Rouge instead

she had been in contact with humans

she has shown to indulge in her own desires but also has seen when people try their best (when Knuckles saves her)

and she was saved by Shadow, making her the first witness of Shadow's hidden kindness

plus it would be a nice reversal of her throwing Shadow's identity under the bus previously

She first wanted to claim that he may not be the real shadow, now she wishes him to fight regardless of it

[analog trout]

honestly

yeah, it would've been better if Rouge was the one to redeem him

and it would help cement their bond as well, since they obviously weren't on the best of terms when meeting, but Rouge would put down her guard to sit with Shadow and help him, despite their odds

[sturdy token]

Mhm

Plus the first time you see the flashback of maria was not with Amy

was with Rouge

so the first flashback would be a set-up while the final flashback, and Shadow's snap, would be a pay-off

[analog trout]

man, Shadow will look at any girl and just assume they're like Maria

[analog trout]

pays off for Rouge as well

kind of helps enforce the theme more when the least likely person to be compassionate becomes just that, showing Shadow that even the most selfish can see things differently

[sturdy token]

Yeah. It would only need to tweak a couple of moments in the final story

make Rouge talk to shadow before going to the cannon's core and Shadow is left thinking to himself

then after you complete the level, he appears with Sonic and Knuckles

[analog trout]

oh shit,
not to mention, Rouge is the one given Shadow's inhibitor ring,
would emotionally hit all the harder when having her be the one to redeem Shadow

just when she realized she changed him for the better, she loses him just as fast

[sturdy token]

Yeah

Actually

(man that also made me think that Amy's part was more shoehorned 💀 )

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https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-grampa-simpson-old-man-hi-bye-gif-8390063

Maybe tommorrow

[polar skiff]

Think back to it though, it's actually fairly similar in how she influences Gamma

[sturdy token]

The thing is that, with Gamma, she had done things that back up her thing of 'inconditional love': protecting birdie of Zero

all the way through she was protecting Birdie (which is part of the family of the birds hidden within Gamma and Beta) so it's a full circle that Amy tells to Gamma that she doesn't need a reason to protect anything, but that she will consider Gamma a friend due to this one showing an abnormal kindness with respect to other Eggman robots

Not only that but also she defends Gamma of Sonic, stopping them of fighting which makes her words and resolve be more legitimate

[polar skiff]

That's only true for Beta; Every other e-series had a different animal in them

Amy demonstrating that isn't exactly the takeaway that Gamma has from her, even though her "illogical" words are backed up by her actions

[ivory loom]

hearing about idw shadow made me extremely scared of prime shadow when he was announced to be in the show

but he actually ended up being the best part lol

[sturdy token]

I wouldn't say they are illogical, but more so driven by passion rather than calculations. She protects the bird because she has unconditional love for things like animals and individuals that show legitimate kindness and symphathy, that's why she befriends Gamma: because he has shown such symphathy by not just getting Birdie and, instead, getting them both free. She shows what she believes and stands by it, so we as audience can see why she did that.

Gamma, by his side has shown a certain 'disturbance' over seeing the other E-series be either altered or tossed away. It was a slow build-up to his rebellion which was ultimately accomplish due to Amy's words: he is not a heartless robot like most of Eggman's robots hence his new mission becomes saving his friends. Like with Amy, we see what he does and why he does.

Amy in sa2 doesn't have these moments in particular to back her up (Shadow does with Rouge, funny enough)

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When Gamma listens to her is during their first cutscene, and the main motivating factor is divvied up between her words suggesting that Birdie would get hurt, Birdie themselves flying up and looking at him, and the scene right before that where he goes into the wrong room and witnesses Beta getting scrapped dramatically

Her proving her friendship after the fact is all well and good, but that's separate from how and when she actually affected change in Gamma, which was during their first meeting with no prior interaction

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It was a slow build-up.

First Gamma was ordered to just take Birdie. He goes and asks to give it (notice how he asks. Normally Eggman robots don't really go into this type of conversation with their prisoners). Amy, obviously, refuses.

Gamma asks why to which she just asks if she needs a reason for it, then asks him to help the bird if he has even the smallest of symphathy.

Gamma here is where he starts the change. He doesn't get why Amy protects this bird so fervently. She simply says that 'Eggman doesn't teach him those things.'

Birdie now gets closer and between that, he ultimately realizes what he must do and thats why Amy comes and says that 'the next time they will meet, it will be as friends'

After a while, Gamma was ordered to fight Sonic and Amy gets in the middle to stop Sonic (or Gamma depending of the story) but in either case she shows her unconditional sense of protection once more by defending Gamma in either version because Gamma is her friend

She showed it with the bird, and she showed with Gamma

[polar skiff]

Asks or orders?

[sturdy token]

Hm orders but the point remains

(In English he is more severe about it though)

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Update, the Amy version of the scene is more accurate to the original dialogue so it seems it is just a sa1 localization moment

[polar skiff]

You can see where the problem lies here right? It's the same thing with underlining Shadow's turn as solely Maria's memory vs Amy's POV doing heavy lifting in helping him realize. There's no clear answer what made him change his mind, and someone can come away from it saying it was Amy herself that made him change his mind, or it was solely his response to the shock of Beta in the other room. It's ambiguous and unclear, and all that is really certain is the format of two characters with differing views being placed in the same room, exchanging words, and one being effected in some way and changing their ways.

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That's not my issue. My issue is that Amy doesn't do acts that back up what she does to change the other character

With Shadow you have the flashbacks of Maria which show that he has a certain kindness within (after all he saved Rouge of the vault, even if later he claims it was just for the chaos emeralds) but Amy doesn't do anything narratively to back-up what she means regarding people 'doing their best'

Again, I think that the moment in sa2 in a vacuum is fine but when I check the narrative at large, it just doesn't work

[polar skiff]

Ironically she proved it by entering the room

We've talked about this before though, about how both Maria and Amy represent idealism/faith while the other half of the equation, Shadow's pov, is based on what he experienced

[sturdy token]

I mean, she asked shadow for help which sure but the discourse just feels like throwing a bone to her rather than a moment that legitimately comes from her character's actions and beliefs

Using Yusei Fudo and Z-one as an example again in 5D's, Z-one has a similar idea to that of Shadow by using the ARK cradle to destroy Neo Domino City out of his idea that people 'cannot change'. He has shown his perspective in his apocalyptic future where he, in a literal sense, became Yusei but failed to save humanity of extermination; Yusei by his side, believes that people can change and have the right to live a better future (at it's core, not different from Amy's) but he backs it up

He has saved people who wanted to send the world to darkness, people who are mislead, etc out of his sheer belief that everyone, as long as they exist, has the potential to do great things

[polar skiff]

That's why I said we talked about this before though 😭 I like the approach that this story took a lot more than that; it doesn't have to be backed up to be better serving a narrative, in fact I'm reading a book that actively plays around with characters POVs not being backed up and actively changing, but worth considering and arguing all the same

In fact I think that actually touches on one of the book's main appeals so far to me; maybe not true of SA2 specifically, but the interactions that the characters have with each other and the mindsets they briefly present the reader before they exit the book in the next page is evocative enough that I can reflect on it in my own life

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I mean, with a book all it can do is tell you things because it's a written-based media. It works under that criteria

In audiovisual, it actually has to show you

[polar skiff]

Nooooo it doesn't

Come on now

If you mean it in the way of like, books can tell you a character's thoughts, while audiovisual can't, I guess that's the norm but it's also possible to do that as well

[next wedge]

go sleep deleter

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I mean, they can. They just have to do a visual bubble thought or vision

[polar skiff]

I tried and woke up

gasps for air

D... davih...

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And okay, even if audiovisual media can't literally show the thoughts, at least it can show acts that the characters can do to reflect what they currently think regarding a certain context

[indigo vapor]

Relatable tbh

[sturdy token]

If a character is scared and thinking they may die, you show them with widened eyes, shaking and some other stuff

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They can also sound off any internal thoughts the character is having in the same way text does

None of this has to do with a character entering the book, saying some poignant stuff, and then exiting within one or two pages though

[sturdy token]

Heck even if we go for sheer idealism, why not Rouge instead?

She knows Shadow more, she was the trigger of the first flashback with Maria, has seen people just doing their best (Knuckles saved her when he really didn't have to in a strict sense), she even got the inhibitor ring at the end, and it would be a nice reversal after she tried to claim that his memories may not even be real

[polar skiff]

I'm not going to argue that because at the end of the day it's just down to feeling like Amy doesn't serve the role well, and I disagree

[sturdy token]

I guess this is an agree to disagree moment

[polar skiff]

I would rather simply point to other examples of the same kind of writing being used in other works that are respected for that style of writing vs the dialog that seems to surround probably one of the most narratively ambitious scenes in this series? The more obvious comparisons are in anime/manga with how common these kind of character interactions are to their writing, but that's got stigma around it in spite of that being the exact same as the highly acclaimed novel from decades ago

It's sonic, this is pretentious, I'm kinda over it

I already got stories serving me in the ways I want them to

It makes for an incredible ice breaker when I can point to Sonic stuff having things like Gamma or Metal Sonic or Shadow etc as the source of my enjoyment of the stories, but that only goes so far

[sturdy token]

I mean, I still enjoy sa2's story for what it is

Even as of now, I still think is the most 'Sonic' story there is

or the one that represents what Sonic is as a franchise the best outside of, maybe, CD's

[polar skiff]

That's fine, it's just this scene in particular that elevates the story higher than how I viewed it 10 years ago or so. It's not the only part of the story that is on that level but it definitely gives the game more credence to be taking full advantage of everything that could be a part of the game, being so front-and-center about its messaging and way it goes about it. Though I guess the song writers have already admitted to giving the lyrics of their songs purpose alongside the game's story before, so it wasn't all arguably just fans over examining and headcanoning cartoon hedgehog games.

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If anything for me is the opposite, but mainly because I don't like how Amy is utilized here

It's just so flimsy how she just doesn't do much after prison island (other than just a running gag that I am not really a fan of) and the just has a moment like that out of nowhere

[polar skiff]

I go back and forth on that but I think the public consensus is bad enough that it's worth adding something, if not just a prison hall section then something somewhere else

[sturdy token]

I don't really think that would solve the issue because the point is that, after everything of prison island, she just exists

for the running gag of being left behind

(it was fun like the first 2 times or so but after the third one it was too much, specially with the 6th one being the reason she was captured by Eggman to begin with)

[polar skiff]

No it's definitely a perception thing; I might be of the opinion that Amy did a lot alongside the rest of the cast in the whole adventure, but most people see this as her decline because of how she was excluded from being playable to begin with

[sturdy token]

I mean, it would return to the thing of 'showing' that we discussed previously

[polar skiff]

Giving her a level somewhere would remedy the reaction a lot of people have to her and also allow them to take the story in better faith in what she actually does

[sturdy token]

Not necessarily. Blaze has levels in 06 and yet the story feels like she doesn't do much in it

[polar skiff]

Well that's why I suggested prison island, the level where she beats Tails to freeing Sonic?

Shoehorning a level would probably work for some people but I'd rather it be done well

[night anvil]

Amy is to SA2 what people think Sonic is to Sonic X

[sturdy token]

I mean, I would rewrite the story to make her do stuff in the story after prison island

[night anvil]

she’s well characterized but the utilization sucks

[sturdy token]

be either the X subplot of the soldier or something that shows her dealing with the selfishness of people and yet seeing the best of them

[polar skiff]

What about the desert levels

It's midgame and could use another speed level to get through the Knuckles burn

[sturdy token]

I think she could do pyramid cave rather than sonic

[polar skiff]

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[polar skiff]

Actually

I've been thinking about this all wrong

[sturdy token]

What do you mean with this in particular?

Like I get the first half, but what does the 'people think Sonic is to Sonic X' mean to you?

[polar skiff]

Amy gets a stage on the ARK, but there is no context, it's just her exploring the lights out space colony in the same quadrant as Eggman, with a more eerie vibe

Take away her "You guys always leave me behind" moment

Give her an intro line to the stage

Boom

Knuckles-esque implementation

[sturdy token]

which one of the two

[polar skiff]

Both of them actually

I forgor about the Team Dark cutscene again

[sturdy token]

Mm I think we can leave the first leave me behind

but rather than just leave it at that

she actually takes action into trying to find Sonic and Tails

[polar skiff]

The stages in SA1 leaned into the horror aspect as well, it could be a continuation of that

But idk if full on jumpscares are needed

Since Eggman should be the payoff for that one cutscene still

[sturdy token]

once the level ends, Eggman shows up with the gun and gets her as he was tracking her down with the cameras

[polar skiff]

No, just... she's exploring the abandoned mysterious colony

Like Tails and Sonic are doing their thing but she wants to find out what's going on with this place

Maybe there could be some environmental stuff as well

[sturdy token]

Hm it could work if they do a follow-up to the prison scene yeah

[polar skiff]

Like it makes no sense for her to be looking for Sonic and Tails if she saw them leave, she would follow them like she followed them through the rest of the story

[sturdy token]

That's what she does though in the second version of the left behind

she was trying to find them

(in general I feel it's kind of ooc for both sonic and tails to leave her behind like that in the ARK specifically)

[polar skiff]

In the JP version?\

I'm looking at the eng version and I'm not seeing it

[night anvil]

I mean Amy actually does fall into the description I said but X Sonic doesn’t

[polar skiff]

Wait are you saying Sonic is not well characterized???

Sonic X hoard activation

[sturdy token]

I mean I work out of this

it works better when she tried to find them but failed at it

But okay, your idea can work if they do a follow-up to the jail scene back at prison island

like Amy begins to find stuff that foreshadow more about Shadow's plan

[polar skiff]

~~find the death leech in a canister in a hidden room ~~

[sturdy token]

or she just happens to find the control room

and begins to check on who is Shadow

[polar skiff]

Eh the way I would handle it would keep everything hands off the story, I go contrary to the fandom where I like it when the characters don't have the full picture of what's going on with each other

Sonic and Shadow are great in that department especially

[sturdy token]

I mean, it's because they both don't really care about it

sonic just wishes to deal with shadow and his anthics, he's very simple minded in that area

shadow has a mild intrigue over sonic but he is just an obstacle

[polar skiff]

For me I'd handle it like Metroid's environmental storytelling, where the player is rewarded with bits and pieces of stuff they can find but the story itself leaves it ambiguous what the characters piece together

[polar skiff]

But it's not just them though

Though now I'm wondering whether I value the interactions where the opposite party gets the wrong idea of the other just because of how unfamiliar they are vs the seperation itself

For Shadow it's definitely not, but for chars like the Chaotix hmmm

[sturdy token]

I mean, making Amy know more about Shadow would be a neat payoff to getting him confused with Sonic

showing that they're different beings entirely to her eyes, even if she doesn't have the full picture of how distinct they actually are

for better or worse, she did this with silver in 06

she got silver confused with sonic and, after that, they worked together and she got a better idea of who silver is as an individual

even if she didn't know his target (or better said, the identity of his target)

Anywaygoing to sleep, bye bye

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https://tenor.com/view/carl-wheezer-scooby-doo-shaggy-shaggy-scooby-doo-dance-gif-25589348

Gn Nova

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https://fxtwitter.com/zapperona/status/1884730398095085671

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https://fixupx.com/daedalus_medio/status/1884765534299779209?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

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https://x.com/TheMrPasquale/status/1884461779729662298?t=qxlE-gnCR2Am2Q_Bb1m8CA&s=19

Mr. Pasquale (@TheMrPasquale) on X

I never quite understood how Gerald survived this despite standing right next to Maria

X · Jan 29, 2025, 4:41 AM

Ok yeah how did Gerald survive that

Never really thought about it

[fallen harness]

How did Shadow as well

[kind cedar]

Now see this is partly why an explosion don't work

especially when they're meant to be escaping together

[dusky garnet]

Jason moment

[kind cedar]

Like I guess if you're stretching, you could say it was more 'shock' that killed her

but even that feels dumb as hell

[dusky garnet]

I rather think that a big of the explosion caught on her

[kind cedar]

kinda like shrapnel?

[dusky garnet]

Yea lmao

[peak dew]

“How come adults are stronger and more resilient than children”

[sturdy token]

No thats realistic

My mom got petrified of a scare I gave to her one night after having a nightmare

[ember talon]

I would say it's even normal for Shadow survive considering he literally just came out of a black comet.

[sturdy token]

(One of the worst nights of My life)

[dusky garnet]

Oh god

Thats

Im so sorry

[sturdy token]

It's fine. But it was very scary.

She froze and fell, breaking her nose

By the time i snapped her out of it

She didnt remember anything

She just woke up and felt the pain

[dusky garnet]

Oh godddd

Thats a lot thats a lot oh my god

So ig she recovered???

[sturdy token]

Yeah she did fortunately

[dusky garnet]

Thank god

Well

Fuck

What were we talking about again

[sturdy token]

Dying by the shock of an explosion

[dusky garnet]

Honestly i do think maria got struck by the explosion

I feel gerald may have turned around

And shadow is much stronger than her

They got launched

She could have died by hitting the floor

[sturdy token]

Yeah

Maybe she hit her neck in the fall

[dusky garnet]

Yea

Very possible

[ember talon]

I feel like what didn't help is that well... Maria is a child

[dusky garnet]

Good fucking point

[ember talon]

So her body is far more fragile

Gerald may be old but there is a possible chance he has good endurance

[dusky garnet]

He wasnt too old either

[ember talon]

Yeah

[dusky garnet]

He was 60

[ember talon]

So he can easily handle that explosion with no problem

[dusky garnet]

Either way, possible for maria to have been more frail and so the one to die due to the explosion

Either from the launch or hitting the floor

[ember talon]

My guess is the launch

Since the explosion was that massive

[dusky garnet]

Shadow got launched to a spot and maria as well

[ember talon]

Yeah so the damage was very severe over all 3

[tacit apex]

My only guess, it's the quill

[fleet shadow]

Theres a fear i have with any serious character of popularity in a kids thing of "is someone gonna make this about their weird hangups or make them cool" and prime thankfully did the latter

[analog trout]

Because movie.

[sour geode]

It was a fucking EXPLOSION

That should of easily wiped Gerald especially at his age

[dusky garnet]

HES 60

60 IS NOT EVEN THAT OLD

[sour geode]

HOW DOES IT MAKE ANY BETTER

[analog trout]

would've been funny, though interesting, if Gerald (and to an extent Ivo) legit survived because they've been dosing themselves with that quill energy

kind of like the movies' way of adapting the concept of Eggman surviving the explosion at the end of every game
the quill energy giving him a boost to keep kicking

[kind cedar]

I hate that but it sounds like something they'd do lol

[boreal hornet]

It isn't like an actual bomb though. an explosive blast of Chaos Energy seems very destructive but the radius for such blasts could just be small Maria was the weakest one in the room so being so close and having to deal with the blunt force trauma of knockback and any debris hitting her would definitely be fatal

[sour geode]

Is it started to be a blast made out of chaos energy or

[amber mortar]

https://x.com/Necronomenon_/status/1884834960743505984?t=U7hU0R2NTWx_Na-Ysx4FzQ&s=19

☾ Necro ✦ 🍉 (@Necronomenon_) on X

Ok last one I promise

#stobotnik

X · Jan 30, 2025, 5:24 AM

@peak dew

[boreal hornet]

Not verbally stated but every context clue is right there,it's a canister of Chaos Energy. Project Shadow was about harnessing Shadow's Chaos Energy and they were taking it from him to be used. It utilizes the same aura and electricity effects for when the Eclipse Cannon utilized Chaos Energy for its core.

[amber mortar]

Oh yeah it's def chaos energy

[boreal hornet]

I'm shocked people here didn't even notice 😭

[sick coyote]

he's built different

[willow forge]

It would also seem that this Eclipse Cannon was.more than ready to destroy more than just the world of it was fired.

Interestingly, The Eclipse Cannon was Gerald's answer to G.U.N.s demands

But it was meant to be a dud from the start. It just bought Gerald more time to focus on his work.

[tacit apex]

That could be a future movie someday, When they get around Sonic and the Black Knight, Think a Kid in King Authur's Court, But its Sonic somehow ending up in Medival times, And he meets an ancester of Tom Wachowski

[sturdy token]

As long as they don't make Sonic king arthur, it can work

(believe me, that was not a good idea)

[tacit apex]

If they are gonna keep making lots of movies, They will eventually get to the more recent stuff

[tacit apex]

It doesn't have to be King Arthur, But, it could be where we meet characters who are ancestors to the present ones, Like, Maybe there a Robotnik from that era.

[sturdy token]

That would be funny to witness

But generally, I think the Sonic characters should not be linked with the Arthurian legend characters by any means

like sonic is sonic, tails is tails, etc

while the human characters, like you say, can have this connection

[sturdy token]

Transformers kinda showed why this is a bad idea

[tacit apex]

And you can still use magic as well, That era's version of Robotnik uses magic to power his machines

[sturdy token]

Exactly

You can say magic was lost as time went on

so no one knows after the middle age

[tacit apex]

To put it simply, What they see as Magic, We see as Chaos energy today.

[sturdy token]

Correcto

[tacit apex]

They did the thing. https://fixupx.com/sonicmovie/status/1885040283999494328?s=46

[willow forge]

They knew what they are doing with this. They made him piss on the MOOOOOOON!!

[ivory loom]

ok

its not funny anymore

[sick coyote]

Tails listen to me... I know who your mother is.

[ivory loom]

it was funny at the time

but its been done too many times imo

alfred eggman good tho

[sick coyote]

alfred eggman leads to one of two paths: snapcube or lythero

[indigo vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[willow forge]

What's Alfred Eggman.

[willow forge]

Oh, I know

[ember talon]

https://x.com/thecartoonbase/status/1885129116652884450?s=46

Cartoon Base (@TheCartoonBase) on X

‘SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 3’ becomes the second highest grossing video game movie globally.

Did the movie deserve this?

X · Jan 31, 2025, 12:53 AM

[sturdy token]

I'd say so

It isn't perfect but I think very good with the tools it had

But that's more on the subjective side I guess

From there, W that it managed to become the second highest grossing video game globally

[ivory loom]

Absolutely

Whilst I do think sa2 did some aspects of its narrative better (e.g. Gerald), I think this is a very good adaptation of what made that game and it’s characters so special to so many people

And I’m glad it exists so that a whole new generation of audiences get to see a version of Shadow that can be taken seriously

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-shadow-the-hedgehog-sonic-movie-3-gif-3076481475070984148

Also props to the post production crew for making the visual effects practically seamless, especially when it comes to Jim Carrey’s double act

[sturdy token]

Absolutely

it went smoothly

That surprised me the most

how seamless it is

[next wedge]

weirdly fits 😭

[analog trout]

https://vxtwitter.com/gamescage_/status/1885079608489308267?s=46&t=Pl8JrrUZlmTICWj2rE9_kQ

[analog trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910428088444260352/1327394268658270300/717B2400-F4DD-4AEB-8554-E8DC2810889B.gif

[sturdy token]

https://x.com/TheTopComics/status/1885113028728824065

The Top Comics (@TheTopComics) on X

Interesante

X · Jan 30, 2025, 11:49 PM

Translation:

If I had a nickle for every time Cristo Fernández appeared in a third entry, I would have three. Which isn't a lot but it's curious that it happened three times, right?

[formal latch]

I KNEW I RECOGNIZED HIM SOMEWHERE

[formal latch]

random question but do yall have any predictions for sonic movie 4

[ember talon]

Silver not appearing, but as post credit

and very little amount of shipping related

[ivory loom]

controversy :D

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-woke-woke-beam-knuckles-tv-show-gif-1317687883620914594

[formal latch]

I have a feeling the trailer will release late 2026 but the first trailer or at minimum november or october

[shadow hound]

Holy shit, thought I recognized the guy from somewhere

How did I not put two and two together

[indigo vapor]

Thanks, I hate it😭

[sturdy token]

I had a dream where there was a movie Sonic videogame

And in it movie Sonic got his own equivalent of the Flames of Disaster

He got them out of eating a special pie in a restaurant that movie Knuckles guided him to

With this, movie Sonic had the sa2 multiplayer suit and blue flames

With these flames, each punch movie Sonic gives becomes stronger than the last (kinda like Derieri in nnt) but he becomes more Violent so he stop attacking from time to time

He was using this to defeat some asshole giants

Now a mimir

[peak dew]

the designated shelfwarmer has arrived

[boreal hornet]

the laughing classic sonic figure has been reborn into this an-

ew wtf is that face that looks bad

Wave 1 was a smash hit, what happened

[peak dew]

it looks alright in person but yea, not gonna trade up from my wave one shadow lol

(praying for the supers bundle to get stocked in the uk soonish, I’m properly tempted)

[polar skiff]

Crazy to see how easily ideas that are created to be marketable for toys just fall flat so easily

The kids want the toys that look cooler than the goofy ones, who would have thought???

Though the way they're a part of the movie as of right now is such a blink and you'll miss it moment

[boreal hornet]

At this rate, Sonic wearing the Duck Tube will be a figure before Stone or Gerald get their own 5 inch figure

[polar skiff]

Sonic in a kings crown and cape + teacup coming soon to a store near you (limited quantity)

[boreal hornet]

Still no flaming fist accessory for a Knuckles figure, smh

[sturdy token]

https://fxtwitter.com/chinchila53/status/1885417253740675126

[tacit apex]

It looks like they were trying to do the meme, but failed at it

[sturdy token]

https://fxtwitter.com/GameyTarsier62/status/1885434308946534865

[polar skiff]

Boot up twitter and first thing I see LMAOOO

[mossy imp]

Haven't actively been on sonictwt for like

[polar skiff]

I guess in terms of feats Knuckles in the games is definitely left wanting, but an actual conversation about him being better in the movies? Hm

[mossy imp]

A good week or two

[polar skiff]

Good for the health

I'm practically all bluesky scrolling now, tho that just leaves me back before I paid attention to the fandoms where it's all political stuff now

[ember talon]

I just saw just by seeing persona content

[mossy imp]

I think people are saying this rn because Knuckles hasn't had a real prominent role since something like SA2
He's been participating in Heroes, TFH, and ig Forces but he hasn't been like
A main player in the actual narrative for decades
Aside from the Frontiers prequel short, he was great in that

[dusky garnet]

I just gave up on social media lmao

[ember talon]

Same

[dusky garnet]

Im just gonna stay here and see what tweets and bluesky posts there is

[polar skiff]

Yeah if he gets the spotlight I figure it would be a better state

[night anvil]

I’ve been hopping back and forth

[polar skiff]

Is bluesky not working out on its own? It seems much calmer

[mossy imp]

I'm ngl I haven't been on Bluesky in weeks and I kinda feel bad💀

[polar skiff]

I mean it's not like any platform deserves time lol

If it's about X though yeah kinda same

[dusky garnet]

blue sky is just nothing

to me i just have no more interest in following people

[polar skiff]

Fair tbh

[dusky garnet]

also as long as priv accs arent happening bluesky is not gonna take off

[kind cedar]

Only thing movie knuckles is better in is design and characterisation just gonna be real

[dusky garnet]

wha

[kind cedar]

generally speaking when it comes to comparing the two, I thought that's what the post was about

[dusky garnet]

ah right

no i forgot that was the conversation

idk movie knuckles good game knuckles good

the only one i will gladly say its better its movie shadow

[peak dew]

I dig movie knux, dunno if I’d say he’s better than game knux aside from current designs tho

[dusky garnet]

he has more head

[peak dew]

they absolutely need to bulk up game knux he’s far too skinny lol

twigs for arms

[dusky garnet]

hes just face and dreads

[kind cedar]

game knuckles could do with a better head shape

[dusky garnet]

we had something good with the wii era models but nope

[kind cedar]

right now the sihlouette looks like fucking eva from wall-e

not in a good way.

[ember talon]

I still love game Knuckles char

But please ffs redesign the char

[kind cedar]

I like him in Frontiers for sure but in the grand scheme of things he's had his big rough patches

[dusky garnet]

character wise rn hes fine

the only recent thing i disliked with him was final horizon

the ones im perpetually worried about is shadow and amy

[polar skiff]

Hmmmmm

[polar skiff]

Iiiiiiieeeee don't know

[kind cedar]

I don't remember much about him in final horizon tbh

other than calling Tails 'kid' all the time

[polar skiff]

From what it sounds like Final Horizon knuckles is meathead knuckles

[dusky garnet]

his surfer voice from tsr is back

hes always about I WANNA PUNCH STUFF

[kind cedar]

Ok that's fair

[dusky garnet]

and while everyone is taken everything seriously hes just taking potshots at everyone

[polar skiff]

And yeah movie knuckles is better than that

[dusky garnet]

i also Hate how he calls Tails kid

i reaaaaally do

[polar skiff]

But game knuckles at his best is like, IDW tier

[dusky garnet]

same for Sonic calling cream Kiddo

like

[polar skiff]

Wha

[ember talon]

Which basically Ian or Evan?

Because I have to be real when it comes to game Knuckles, Ian and Evan are the only ones I can even trust writing Knuckles

Because if it's neither of them, t here is going to be some.... massive headscratching moments

[polar skiff]

Both of them, though I don't find him during the 2000s to be awful either

[dusky garnet]

which is why i wanna ask wtf happend in final horizon

it didnt feel like ian wrote him

[ember talon]

2000s Knuckles is hit or miss

[dusky garnet]

2000s knuckles is fine 2010 knuckles is either non existant or a war criminal

[mossy imp]

It was more like they just made him tag along whether or not he had any stakes in anything

[ember talon]

But I still say post chornicles is when they just stopped.... caring about Knuckles I have to be real

[mossy imp]

So he just felt like a footnote

[dusky garnet]

they stopped carinhg about everyone LOL

[ember talon]

Like he is just so strangely absent all of the sudden until Mania

Obviously

[kind cedar]

You can really tell which characters Ian likes, or likes less based on how well he does them huh...

[ember talon]

I jsut mean that even by classic/2D wise

He doesn't even show up anymore all of the sudden

[kind cedar]

Knuckles is his favourite last I checked and christ, it shows

[mossy imp]

Him and Eggman I'm pretty sure

[ember talon]

Easily t hose two

[polar skiff]

That's kinda where I am as well, so I'm moreso confused where the characterization comes into play

Like during the 2000s up to the 10s the worst aspect is the way the narrative would treat him more like a joke (the tree scene in Generations)

But the movie knuckles starfire thing does kinda land

[ember talon]

To me my biggest issue with Knuckles is that when it comes to main story, he just.... become lesser relevance

Unleashed he could easily been involved there and yet... he isn't there

[polar skiff]

Like if I had to pick which way the character is made fun of idk which I'd go with

[kind cedar]

It all comes down to how you write comedy really

[ember talon]

06 was the turning point for me where they just don't want to bother using Knuckles anymore since they were trying push the hedgehog trio at the time

[kind cedar]

you don't necessarily need to make 'fun of them'

A lot of the time it comes naturally from the way that a character acts in a given scenario

You don't laugh at Movie Knuckles cause 'hahah stupid guy' you laugh at what's happening cause he's a fish out of water

[polar skiff]

Right, and at its best neither of them lean hard into that

I dunno I can't say I vibe with the fish out of water stuff when juxtaposed like this

[kind cedar]

That is fine but it does undeniably make sense for Knuckles himself

[polar skiff]

Like on a meta level he's written that way because it's supposed to be funny

Game knuckles could be the same way but the comedy direction there has never been to that degree

Stuff like the tailstube moments get a lot more enjoyment out of me

[ember talon]

Tailstube halloween gave me a lot of laughs over knuckles

[indigo vapor]

Tailstube Halloween will always be my favorite solely because I got laughs over knuckles

[mossy imp]

Ok so it's like
06 he's basically the biggest case of mascot-suit syndrome where he just bobs his head awkwardly all the time and fumbles on the most basic things + only having like, a minute worth of dialogue and doesn't say anything of value
In Rush, he's mad for no reason
In one of the advance games I'm pretty sure, Sonic's like, "did you let him take the master emerald again?" and he goes "LEAVE ME ALONE" and cries for some reason
Not sure if SR or BK count since that wasn't really him

[polar skiff]

Ok yeah

[mossy imp]

And then the carryover to the 2010's was basically "muscly meathead"

Or like

Cocky asshole or something

[polar skiff]

Ok I just watched the rush example because I was pretty sure I liked him there

He's a mix of fiery and amicable with Blaze, she brought down a rockslide on him because of him confusing the chaos emeralds and sol emeralds, which led to him being mad in the Sonic cutscene

And the other example were the Riders games that I was drawing from

Idk

[polar skiff]

I do think this is the biggest problem that brings him down lower and people have a point about his character vs how the story uses him, but I dunno

[ember talon]

I feel like it's more so the writers not knowing Knuckles char

[polar skiff]

No they definitely know they want him to be that in some way

Like on its own making him dumb as bricks is a bad thing, but if you make the character actually pretty streetsmart then it's balanced out

Keep in mind this is Nishiyama, same guy who wrote Adventure

From what it sounds like Final Horizon is the worst example, but I won't lie the advance 2 situation is pretty bad

[sturdy token]

To be fair

I like the idea that Knuckles can 'feel' the sol emerald

[ember talon]

Yeah I don't think Rush Knuckles is bad either. He just honestly.... came and went

[sturdy token]

but something about JP writing is very condescending towards Knuckles in particular

like they constantly have to do a comment of how he isn't 'bright'

[ember talon]

Only time I will say they did a very poor job Knuckles are both Lost World and Forces

May have to look back at TSR again tho

[sturdy token]

Specially X made me realize this

[dusky garnet]

advance 2 is funny-

[polar skiff]

If he doesn't have any moments to balance it out that's a bad thing, but if he does that isn't particularly different from Edward Elric having short jokes made about him

[ember talon]

Advance 2 is the most whatever moment over Knuckles honestly lmao

[polar skiff]

FMA is condescending towards its main protagonist but only when it's trying to be funny about it

[ember talon]

It's just so unneeded doing that shit running gag

SA1 is the only time I will forever excuse

[dusky garnet]

is treated in a very like silly quick manner and not even knuckles knows whats going on anymore- it is the last time it ever happens anyways

[sturdy token]

The thing is that X does have good moments with Knuckles but everyone around him start to treat him like a 'party pooper' or a moron

which is very off

[ember talon]

I won't blame him can't properly think after seeing freaking CHaos just somehow "broke" the master emerald

But anything else? nah

[sturdy token]

Like in season 3 everyone started to act like Knuckles is selfish because he didn't want to help Sonic & co with the metarex

but they stole the Master Emerald beforehand

[ember talon]

That shit is beyond dumb

And yet for some reason

Angel Island is fine somehow????????

[mossy imp]

Oh yeah X😭

[ember talon]

bro Sonic X is so trash looking back LMAO

[mossy imp]

I gotta rewatch that one of these days fr

[ember talon]

I rewatched and holy fuck

I can never see the hype at all

[sturdy token]

And even within the journey on itself, we have Amy jumping into conflict extremely often

But Knuckles is the one where the characters are like 'achtually Knuckles, you usually jump into violence'

Like shut up Amy, you are the less qualified to say that

[mossy imp]

I feel like I'm riding off other people's hate for the show even though I don't remember that much of my opinions on it😭

[ember talon]

nah I am just saying because I legit did watched it lmao

[mossy imp]

And also I watched the 4kids version which cut a bit of content I'm pretty sure

[polar skiff]

I'll get around to it eventually but stuff like this is exactly why I'm reserving judgement

[mossy imp]

Like the fight between Knux and Shadow with them cutting the last couple moments out

[ember talon]

omfg yeah that part made me go like ?????

[polar skiff]

Because Amy lecturing Knuckles for being hotheaded sounds funny

Not terrible

[ember talon]

When I was watching the JP version that was actually far better

Even Shadow had no choice too!

I was like, "Broooo fuck you 4kids for slandering Knuckles"

[sturdy token]

It isn't a bad thing on itself, but the problem is that Amy is as much of a hothead as Knuckles is, if not more

so it feels hypocrite that she calls him out

Specially as the seasons went, Amy's hot headed nature began to increase

and made her very mean spirited towards various characters

[polar skiff]

I'm not going to get mad about that because hypocrisy is usually used for that reason in comedy

Not unless I see it

And it's not actually in service of comedy

[polar skiff]

Junpei ace detective, more like-

[sturdy token]

Unironically, I think Yukari's jokes work better because Jumpei usually deserves that

Like Jumpei's very good as a character but he can often do very stupid shit

[polar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/junpei-iori-junpei-ace-detective-ace-defective-junpei-cut-in-gif-16623826119653807948

(has not played persona :V)

[sturdy token]

:v

But also it works as well because Jumpei can sometimes return the favor

(the moments where he snaps are very well done)

[ember talon]

It's okay I couldn't properly played Persona either 💀

[sturdy token]

At least based out of p3r, Yukari is far more reasonable even if she has her moments of mean spirited ness

[ember talon]

Instead I just look at other content related about persona instead lmao

Fucking metaphor is making me invested doing it

[mossy imp]

WAS JUST THINKING THIS😭

[sturdy token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYxamWqCZ0c

The sonic version

[ivory loom]

Tbf, he was for like 10 years

But he’s better now

[fallen harness]

Huh… same composer

[indigo vapor]

the super sonic power up scene from season 3 carries it hard

[sturdy token]

You'd mean the power-up scene of the opening that appears in season 2 onwards?

[indigo vapor]

I think that’s the one

Is it this one?

https://tenor.com/view/vergil675-gif-12018985433422307683

[ember talon]

Doesn't save the show sadly

😔

[sweet river]

TMS' animators put their Xussies into the making some of the coolest Sonic shit in the OP with the paper thin budget they got

[sturdy token]

Yeah

it's not even s3 exclusive

it appears as soon as season 2

s3 aka metarex saga doesn't have an exclusive opening

[indigo vapor]

Oh ok, mb

[sturdy token]

it's cool

[twin shoal]

TMS did budgets on Lupin III series

[twin shoal]

That’s Not nice

[twin shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-anger-dinner-gif-24715254

[fallen harness]

Forget the Sonic popcorn bucket

This is the best bucket

[sweet river]

Perfect to consume mediocre food on

[analog trout]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-eating-spongebob-eating-poop-spongebob-eating-snail-food-gif-23111277

Fr tho, that’s a pretty funny popcorn bowl

[fallen harness]

I mean it fits the theme lmao

[analog trout]

https://vxtwitter.com/leaph77/status/1885202823165469011?s=46&t=Pl8JrrUZlmTICWj2rE9_kQ

Though legit, the way they did the slide is pretty cool

Just adding more to it than just “here is slide, the end”, having Shadow fly into the sky and launch himself down to strike Sonic and all that good stuff

[polar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

The chat will kill me Im afraid

[polar skiff]

Guah

[polar skiff]

It

It s

S s su

[spice ember]

say it with your whole chest coward

[polar skiff]

ITS WORSE THAN THE LEAKS GRRAAAAAAAHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/carnage-venom-carnage-carnage-scream-scream-carnage-movie-gif-22614677

[spice ember]

what were the leaks

[polar skiff]

Ok it is cool

But goddamn the scene hurts me

[spice ember]

what leak 😭

[polar skiff]

The leaks of the footage that was shown to ppl before the trailer dropped; it just mentioned Shadow racing his bike across rooftops and then jumping off it towards Sonic

When I heard that I was like "huh" but figured it'd make more sense in context

But it's the sequence itself

Sonic at the rear of the bike as it zips up the building

Then he crashes into the gate

Then Shadow follows behind two or three seconds later

Then he manages to land??? On the antenna???

homelanderwatchingtheater.gif

And then he does the akira slide

[paper cradle]

the direct description was "The footage then cuts once more to Shadow on his motorcycle in the night sky over some skyscrapers, and then uses the motorcycle to bounce toward Sonic, who is flying upwards at him, and the energy between the two soon clash."

idk it sounds like its just someone describing what we got

[polar skiff]

Yeah it was

The over some skyscrapers made me assume they were racing along it but they were just talking about the skyline in general

The shadow curviture

[polar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/indifference-indifferent-neutrality-neutral-don't-gif-11634859128096783907

Why couldn't they have done it here

Has curvature to stick to
Has gate to burst through and allow shadow to race past
Is red

Tokyo Tower clears I'm afraid

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-tower-revue-starlight-gif-23830993

[sturdy token]

would've been cool but I wouldn't say that what we got was bad

[paper cradle]

i think there might not be enough solid ground to grind across on that??

[polar skiff]

That's why you have Sonic criss cross across the bars until grinding

Shadow races up the edge of the beam because he's that guy

[sturdy token]

And he still is that guy here

[polar skiff]

Too much of that guy

[sturdy token]

[polar skiff]

He's action figure piloted by a toddler's hand up the furniture

[sturdy token]

First time I ever hear something like that

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-dude-chill-dude-im-just-a-chill-dude-just-a-chill-dude-gif-15385961914175037407

[polar skiff]

I could never be chill... because sonic 3 made me gaf

[sturdy token]

[polar skiff]

If it were just the akira slide and the racing up the sheer building it wouldn't have bothered me since I already knew about it potentially coming, but the two parts defying both chronology and how objects move™️ were too much

[sturdy token]

Sometimes things are done just for cool sake

I learned a lot of it in the Raimi movies

[polar skiff]

Doesn't make it less annoying though

Like those issues aren't done for cool

Shadow must slide up something for cool yeah, but how he gets there can still make sense

[sturdy token]

I mean sure but it isn't like these little slips break the entire scene. Otherwise Spider-man 1 would fall into huge scrutiny

[polar skiff]

I mean these kind of things are noticable in other movies too

[mossy imp]

Wh-HEY

[sturdy token]

This entire scene is that jsjss

(Once I noticed it I never could not chuckle to this scene)

[polar skiff]

Yeeeeeaaaah 💀

The kind of camp that comes with that stuff is enjoyed because of limitations though; I don't think CGI stuff gets the same treatment of "why was it animated like this" with fondness

[ivory loom]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-golden-freddy-fnaf-golden-freddy-five-nights-at-freddy's-golden-freddy-vanish-gif-7197115343772559557

:0

[polar skiff]

All of TC in the comments oh my god

I was watching X Men Last Stand earlier and the way it jumps between actually engaging action and then just

People on wires

Is really funny lol

[sturdy token]

I mean, it gets annoying by people if it looks fake in a general sense

(ergo various mcu movies in recent times)

https://tenor.com/view/modok-punch-quantumania-face-cassie-lang-gif-27619153

[ivory loom]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-slide-gone-gif-20374120

this is the best scene

[sturdy token]

Where does this come from?

[polar skiff]

See that's the thing though; the best of X Men's scenes are all CGI, so it definitely feels like

MCU just lost sense of how to make things impactful

[ivory loom]

godzilla vs megalon, go watch it

its based

[polar skiff]

Use its CGI the right way

[sturdy token]

https://tenor.com/view/list-note-put-captain-america-remember-gif-15016153

[mossy imp]

Right but that's CGI of realistic looking people/actual people and not a cartoonish hedgehog
I feel like people are less likely to say "the physics don't make sense" when 1: it just looks cool and 2: there's more of a suspension of disbelief with seeing these characters launch themselves in the air with a skyscraper than someone like Wade Whipple

[polar skiff]

Grumble grumble

[mossy imp]

Go back to your cave, old coot

[sturdy token]

Yeah, that was generally my point. People are more forgiving when things look cool enough

[ivory loom]

ok well we dont need to insult each other i dont think

[polar skiff]

The kids not wrong...

[mossy imp]

He knows he's old, it's fine

[ivory loom]

i did want to bring up one example

[polar skiff]

hmph

[ivory loom]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-gif-1638479521410862832

how is this boat not sinking?

[polar skiff]

Have you ever seen the roobeer guy's roobeer floating vids wint

[mossy imp]

Me waiting for someone to gaslight me into starting imaginary problems:

[polar skiff]

That's how

[sturdy token]

I was gonna bring a more recent example

Like if I go into scrunity, Stark should've died here

[ivory loom]

no

[polar skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vSF_Iqu7_pI

[ivory loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811062350106591282/1335085972282675332/3add8c85e37191d8bf4eec6f4781a8bf.png?ex=679ee334&is=679d91b4&hm=6609e2ee02c1c5b392d99df0800d2b07fd52dde28026e7f5ff0f5640b05d4a72&

[polar skiff]

True yeah, he froze in the first movie 😭

Maybe it was earth's atmosphere escaping?

[analog trout]

though let's be real,
Wade would be able to do it on command, he just doesn't want to intimidate anyone

[polar skiff]

Because gravity was still effecting him

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/modok-quantumania-introduction-flashback-butt-gif-2034957893549427785

[polar skiff]

WHAT THE BUTT

[sick coyote]

ass

booty

[mossy imp]

Wants to be megamind so bad

[sick coyote]

cheeks

posterior

[sturdy token]

Maybe, yeah. I am not sure but like the absolute zero of space should've taken Stark's life for sure.

But I don't mind that much because well it's a very cool scene, and with poetic justice included

[sick coyote]

the poop chute

[polar skiff]

Hmmmmm

[sturdy token]

If my memory doesn't fail, there were scientists that described that a human freezing in space would be akin to how Peter froze in guardians of the galaxy 1

[polar skiff]

Magic school bus lied to me

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/adam-warlock-will-poulter-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gotg-vol-3-gif-1072719819064258368

[polar skiff]

o

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-endgame-drax-drax-the-destroyer-gif-20680379

[sturdy token]

O

[polar skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEcwwiVeBDQ&ab_channel=Believescenes

Maybe there's missing context but I don't really understand why he lost power

Just from not being able to breath?

[sturdy token]

It's unclear

In the first movie, it was due to reaching higher heights

with the whole freezing temperature, but he reworked the suit to resist that

[polar skiff]

I know the arc reactor keeps him alive but I don't think it's actually a part of his body in that way specifically

[sturdy token]

yeah

well idk

it's a bit weird

in the first movie the ark reactor is a magnet with gets away stuff of his heart

it was directly connected to his interior

iron man 2 makes things a bit fuzzy

because Stark changed the ARK reactor into using those paladium tablet

until he got the new element for the Mark 6

[polar skiff]

Looking at the UI in his helmet, everything is at 0-ish percent and flashing red

So ig he just used the last of his energy

No dialog acknowledging it outside of "put everything we got into the thrusters"

[sturdy token]

mhm

a bit weird how that works as well

and that without going into extremis of the third movie

(which I adore but I'm pretty sure the human body wouldn't resist like that jsjs)

[polar skiff]

I dooon't really remember a lot about the third movie, but when it comes to how much damage something can take I do think that leads into what you can suspend your disbelief for in expectations

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/ironman3-mandarin-flames-punch-i-am-the-mandarin-gif-8051161

[polar skiff]

Like everyone in the world not operating by the rules a grounded world does

What matters is if it's consistant with itself or not

[sturdy token]

yeah fair

I remember the looney tunes show broke my suspension of disbelief last night

[polar skiff]

[sturdy token]

I was chilling and watched an episode about Bugs not being able to install a shelf

and in a vacuum this is fun but in a previous episode he showed to be able to handle tools (and even build a time machine) with ease

so it felt very ??? that he suddenly cannot do that for me

[polar skiff]

Hmm comedies are another matter for me bc the act of comedy and what is funny isn't always the same as what makes sense

[sturdy token]

Daffy is my favorite character as of now

I adore the combination of such egotistical, over the top yet useless character at the same time

hypocrite, mean spirited, selfish

-insert a list of various negative traits here-

[polar skiff]

elevator ding

LTS was weird for me bc I kept waiting for loony tunes stuff to happen but it leaned hard into the sitcom angle, and I don't think I appreciated that half as much as I do nowadays

[sturdy token]

it's a very very funny show

At least as of now. That episode with bugs is the only one that didn't really click with me

but otherwise just have lots of fun with it

I don't like the Coyote segments that much though

[polar skiff]

Probably similar to how other sitcoms lose their audience when they get the characters wrong

[polar skiff]

I think I ended up skipping all of the inbetween stuff 💀

[sturdy token]

Really?

[polar skiff]

Anything that wasn't the main show yeah

Or at least once I decided they were not for me

Like iirc the energy of the coyote segments was just as low as the main show, which was weird

[sturdy token]

I feel the coyote segments have the heart of the original ones

but they feel extremely limited in the execution

perhaps as a synctom of using 3d rather than 2d

[polar skiff]

Yeah

[sturdy token]

the musicals are very funny

[polar skiff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HqK06n2jig&ab_channel=WBKids

Like I can see that it keeps the spirit

It's def charming looking at it now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPBBjfXYBhU&ab_channel=BoomerangUK

I dunno

It's doing the thing where it takes the style it's riffing on very seriously and that is the creative direction vs the more slapstick energy of the original, and that takes up most of the focus

The joke isn't the point, it's the swooping action scene and the dramatic music with the 3D models

It's not the worst idea but at the same time idk

[sturdy token]

Yeah they are charming still. At the core, I think they are worthy successors of the original ones, but they feel restrained or limited in some form. It's hard to describe but they lack an extra something

[polar skiff]

What I was going to say earlier tho was how I experienced the opposite of this with a show last year

Basically Vinland Saga gets hyped up as an anime, I hear it's seinen material, one of the most respected manga out there, and on top of that uses a setting of vikings and pseduo-historical context

So I go into it expecting to see some pretty cool anime viking action

Butttttt it opens up with someone just chopping people down like he's superpowered

And then tanking a bajilion arrows

Leaping multiple boats like the Hulk 💀

And it's like ok alright

I came into it expecting to see something more grounded and instead got something that looked to be treating the action and protagonists with power fantasy anime shenanigans, and idk

But then it changes course and becomes a lot more grounded in the later episodes and seasons

So the direction at the start was a big misfire for me

[sturdy token]

Oh yeah, yeah

some media do start with some crazy stuff

and then they tame down a bit

[polar skiff]

I'm sure someone out there saw that stuff as cool for the rule of cool, but it really didn't work on me

And I don't think people should pay much attention to the non-audiences who don't vibe with the genres they are fans of

[sturdy token]

Jojo's part 2 kinda has something like that. Out of all the parts of Jojo, I think that one begins the craziest

[polar skiff]

But at the same time people criticize the direction modern marvel has while stuff like Daredevil gets praised above it

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/jjba-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-joseph-ceaser-spaghetti-gif-6751062434307775844

[sturdy token]

Yeah makes sense

I can see that being a bit try hard

[polar skiff]

I wouldn't say try hard I'd say just silly 😭

Leaping several boats in the ocean

Boats that people usually have to board with planks and stuff

And when I say several I mean over several

[sturdy token]

Kill la kill also starts kinda like that

with a whole heist on a Goku uniform and Gamagoori beating the hell out of the thief

but it's so over the top that is just amusing to see

[sick coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/gamagori-kill-la-kill-満艦飾-マコ-animation-gif-17427631

[polar skiff]

Yeah legit Kill la Kill energy but he's supposed to be an average viking who can't actually fight back (in the context of other grounded armies, even though the action shows him chewing through them like a video game character)

[sick coyote]

absolute unit

[sturdy token]

One of the best first impressions I ever had

like this is full over the top

[sturdy token]

Ah so it creates a disconnect

between what he is said to be vs what he actually is

[polar skiff]

Well true, but that's under later context

In the moment it's just very "how is he doing this"

https://tenor.com/view/thors-vinland-saga-smiling-facepalm-happy-gif-1535229864966877137

There is a guy later in the series that veers back into it

Throwing around giant tree trunks while everyone else just has normal weapons

But they did call him a giant so I'll cut him some slack

Kinda the same avenue of what the action was directed to take though

[sturdy token]

Yeah it makes snese

[polar skiff]

||he dies right after this but bro should NOT have been able to keep fighting the way he did after all of that||

Once the series started making the action grounded and every move mattering, every aspect of their skills relative to the people around them being taken into account, that's when I was finally enjoying my time with the action fully

But I don't have that problem with other series that do absolutely crazy bonkers unbelievable action

Just this one lol

[sturdy token]

Yeah yeah it makes sense

a series can throw someone off when it does something that feels out of place within itself

The og series yugioh had a lot of that for me during Kingdom of Duelists

There were some duels that just had some strange resolution which throw me off

(like when yugi destroys the moon to decrease the sea level and whatever, or that bug got so wet that made electric attacks stronger)

[polar skiff]

Does... does the moon come back???

[sturdy token]

Not the real moon :v

it was just a moon created out of the solid vision system within the duel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5OIdhdlh10

[polar skiff]

Ok I just rewatched and might be misremembering some stuff, he doesn't fight back, but he does take them all like nothing even happened

[polar skiff]

Awww

[ivory loom]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-kawaii-gif-19474156

[polar skiff]

Thought he was on that Roshi/Piccolo kind of mindset

[ivory loom]

no this is the mandarin

[sturdy token]

kind of

basically Yugi's opponent uses water attribute monsters

so, by having a bigger sea level, they are much stronger and impossible to attack for Yugi's monster

so to get rid of this, Yugi destroys his own card: THE MOON

(this doesn't make any sense if you use the TCG/OCG rules even if they are from the Master Rule 1 JSJSJS)

Funny data: destroy the moon is an actual card of the TCG but even with that it wouldn't work because it only allows you to destroy an opponent's magic or trap card, not your own

later with battle city the duels started to become more 'grounded' hence this kind of eventualities reduced within this series and the following ones (not totally erased, there were a few who still did stuff)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvct9CDP1L8

Like

this moment technically applies but in this case I don't mind cause

1. it was established that super polimerization within GX's context could achieve that
2. it's thematically appropiate given what happened in s3

[analog trout]

https://vxtwitter.com/reevierat/status/1885525629958799829

[amber mortar]

Yeah why wouldn't they do the fucking akira slide on one of the tallest tower in the world instead of the wish version of the eiffel tower smh 🙄

[polar skiff]

It's red! It's cooler!!!

[amber mortar]

The skytree has numerous leds so it can take whatever color they want to

[polar skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/tokyo-tower-tokyo-gif-27315510

[amber mortar]

And also

How tf

Would you pass the first arch

There's clearly a ledge

[polar skiff]

The ledge gets smashed thru

Duh

[ivory loom]

i went up there last week :)

[amber mortar]

[polar skiff]

Looks thin af

Fairly destructable

[amber mortar]

Yeah but then

The sequence would've been even shorter

The skytree is almost twice as tall

Like you can't tell me that shit ain't cool

[polar skiff]

It literally lasts two seconds they could slow it down a little bit

[amber mortar]

Making sonic and shadow slow

[polar skiff]

Yes! It is cool!

[amber mortar]

[polar skiff]

But not like this

(and also not slowly rail grinding up it but yk)

[amber mortar]

Yes it is, tf ?

And like

It would've been the exact same on the tt

Just

Half the height

[paper cradle]

i think one of the things they show earlier in the scene when shadow first starts riding on the tower is that his electricity magnetizes the bike towards the tower

[amber mortar]

So the visual impact wpuld've been lesser

[amber mortar]

Yeah yeah

[paper cradle]

so that generally does make sense as the path i think

[amber mortar]

And he would've taken the same on tt

Like on both cases yeah no shit it doesn't make sense but who tf cares it looks dope

[polar skiff]

Oh my god just admit you hate the Tokyo Tower because of reasons outside of this

[amber mortar]

LMFAOOO

[polar skiff]

But it would have

Made more sense

...

[polar skiff]

2/10 job the electricity doesn't even attract him to the surface

[amber mortar]

I'm dead

[polar skiff]

It's psudo gravity at play with how it bounces

You see the real play to make with this is that it's chaos energy

It takes whatever arc it wants to in the air

Sometimes it's a Sonic Heroes air dash other times it's a Sonic Frontiers upwards dash

And Shadow lagging behind Sonic is just because he chaos controlled away from him and made Sonic crash into the fence for him

[peak dew]

this image is fuckin killing me jcjcjvjgjchcjcuy

imagining him saying it in the same cadence as flames of disaster, creasing

[paper cradle]

my goat could never...

[ember talon]

https://fxtwitter.com/demetera_/status/1885143027129127100?s=46&t=Ykt4zg6sTA28Z-iItDQQbA

Best homie

[formal latch]

he even stayed still for that period of time

[ember talon]

The true lackey no other eggman lackeys can do

He even made eggman actually considered him a friend

[willow forge]

The only time I hear "Shelfwarmer" it is associated with Transformers figured that didn't quite sell well.

Immediately thinks of Earthrise Grapple

[willow forge]

Unending Loyalty right there.

[ember talon]

Stone doing something no other chars managed to do outside of Sage. Having Eggman someone to care

🙏

[ivory loom]

Agent Stone is the best :)

and his inclusion (plus his relationship with Robotnik) is the soul reason why the Sonic Movies are a step above most video game adaptations that try to be more faithful to the games

[willow forge]

Likewise, they don't make the Eggman lackey look bad and instead treat them like actual beings.

[ivory loom]

he's basically Eggman's Tails equivalent

and thats a cool dynamic

[ember talon]

Exactly and I couldn't be any more happy

[willow forge]

If anything, Stone earned his place among a few famous Egg lackeys.

Let's face it:

Snively was an insubordinate weasel that sought power as means to surpass his uncle.

Grimer was a nasty piece of slag that did little more than be the sidepiece to a more famous character.

Starline, as much a fanboy as he was, was able to get the last laugh against the doctor with Surge and Kit.

Stone, much like how Tails was to Sonic, a fan that stood by the doctor's side all the way to the end, Gerald be damned. That is dedication.

[ember talon]

Stone just excel what made him a fantastic lackey

Not only stays loyal, but NEVER considers betraying Eggman

He wants to stay by his side. He even do so despite Gerald being involved

He deeply cares for him that no other sonic chars actually do outside of Sage

It helps even more seeing Tails interacting Stone too

It's a incredible parallel between Sonic/Tails and Eggman/Stone

[ivory loom]

oh yea there was also Orbot and Cubot who are basically in an abusive relationship

[ember talon]

There is also Metal Sonic and well.....

Metal Sonic is a handful lmao

[willow forge]

Movie Metal has yet to prove himself.

[ember talon]

Very excited how they'll handle movie metal

[willow forge]

Indeed.

Though, one part can't help but be curious of we might get a reference to The Brotherhood of Metallix or even see them in action. Hell, I wonder if we may get Mecha or Silver Sonic.

Then again, that could be a great plot point: the Fall of Doctor Eggman leads to the Rise of The Brotherhood of Metallix

[formal latch]

where do you guys think agent stone went after the movie just curious

[ember talon]

My guess is trying to find shadow since he may know where eggman is or not

[mossy imp]

Stress eating

[vast inlet]

Just saw the recently published concept "art" for this movie from Marcin Rubkowski

Fuckin ew

Actually sucks quite a lot that genAI is being used for shit like this. Like I get that it's concept "art", but using it as part of your portfolio shows you how much of a hack you actually are

[twin shoal]

It’s called Kaneda bike slide

[twin shoal]

Has anime fan ever watched Ultraman?

[analog hull]

And that too im pretty sure hes getting paid for it

[fallen harness]

https://x.com/thesonicscoop/status/1885707797469462879?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

The Sonic Collector’s Scoop (@TheSonicScoop) on X

Jakks Pacific Scoop!

Here's a first look at the 'Sonic the Hedgehog 3' 5" Wave 3 Sonic with Master Emerald, found on a Chinese secondhand site. Are you excited for the rest of Wave 3?

X · Feb 1, 2025, 3:12 PM

Isn’t that just Wave 1 Sonic with an accessory?

[sturdy token]

https://x.com/GamesCage_/status/1885554207341814034?t=AKb2LPnZrt0irnJRSTZQOQ&s=19

GamesCage - Hype Guy (@GamesCage_) on X

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X · Feb 1, 2025, 5:02 AM

Meme for movie 4 confirmed /hj

I can imagine one of the metal sonic clones/prototypes was done poorly and looks like this

[mossy imp]

@polar skiff lol

[polar skiff]

No he’s right!

!!!

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yes-proud-jeremiah-johnson-yess-gif-17905836

[fallen harness]

https://fixupx.com/dynamosuperx/status/1885754472975974846?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

That’s honestly messed up

[polar skiff]

This compelled me to look up anything for the Akira slide irl; haven’t found anything but Mary Jane absolutely biting it in the Spider-Man game is sending me lmao

[vast inlet]

holy shit the replies

[dusky garnet]

Yea

Thats X alright

[polar skiff]

True

The more we call it Twitter the more in denial we are

[dusky garnet]

Thats the prime demographic for what X is

[vast inlet]

Right? At this rate, I might as well let PublicAI to suck my weiner! 😉

[dusky garnet]

what

Bob this is a quote right

[vast inlet]

No, I made it up, but the comments are essentially this

like look at this

[dusky garnet]

This is hell

[mossy imp]

Dead Internet

[dusky garnet]

When the person you are talking shit about doesnt get the picture:

[mossy imp]

Right? At this rate, I'm might as well shit my pants!💔💅

[indigo vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-gif-14040365364911327845

[tacit apex]

At the rate this is going, We might head into a future where all conversations on social media, and all over the internet is AI, And it will force people to actually talk to one another in person, Something people used to do before we had such a thing like the internet.

[mossy imp]

So true

[ember talon]

Man

[tacit apex]

Came across this, Somebody made an orchestral sounding version of Stardust Speedway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxw6Vax0VdU

Though I prefer the US version of Stardust Speedway, Its the only one I remember, since the japanese/europe version is so different then what I was used to hearing

[tacit apex]

The racing scene, But with Sonic music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB8C5VlcC1E

They could've used some of this music tbh.

[fallen harness]

https://x.com/thesonicscoop/status/1885769529155809285?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

The Sonic Collector’s Scoop (@TheSonicScoop) on X

Jakks Pacific Scoop! (again)

The 3rd wave of 2.5” figures for the Movie 3 line has been found at Walmart by @Chaos_0iscool!

X · Feb 1, 2025, 7:17 PM

[polar skiff]

The abomination

[tacit apex]

Check out this fan made orchestral version of the Sonic CD Theme, Im curious what music will they use for the 4th movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb9Tii91w54

[fallen harness]

https://fixupx.com/kellytoydk/status/1885709022709395659?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

[sturdy token]

https://fxtwitter.com/mikuzrat/status/1885835704795566269

Honestly it's a banger thread on Wade as a character

[fallen harness]

https://fixupx.com/burglahobbit/status/1885804040291823747?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

Context:
Apparently a ton of people didn’t know about the Shadow post credit scene

[red field]

a fair amount of people left my screening before that

and it was a fanscreening too

lol

[analog hull]

90% left the screening before the 2nd post credit scene, but everyone stayed for the first one

[remote phoenix]

I think I was the only one who stayed for post credits for movie 2

[polar skiff]

For my screening I think there was only one group who stayed behind for the last one, and none of them were kids lol

[tacit apex]

Many of us are condition to stay for the post credits, Thanks to Marvel, It became a necessary habbit, and for good reason

People who leave during the credits don't take the movies seriously

[mossy imp]

Huh

[tacit apex]

You have to be someone who is serious about these movies to stay for the post credits