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#Sonic Rumours & Speculation
glacial cliff
unique osprey
that’s what I guessed too, but
balmy fiber
Even so it wouldnt be the same
unique osprey
yeah what tobe said
balmy fiber
Oh i know one thats even more hated
unique osprey
but even then the entire game is practically a homage to that game, I don’t see what feature from that title could trigger fandom controversy
glacial cliff
All those stages were hated because of gimmicks and such
unique osprey
like if anybody gets genuinely upset at the sth sequel for featuring sth stages they don’t know what they’re talking about 
glacial cliff
In Shadow Gens you are just going to the end goal
unique osprey
like if anybody gets genuinely upset at the sth sequel for featuring sth stages ...
it has to be something that would get people talking
glacial cliff
Central City would be cool because I like Sonic Battle lol
dire quiver
Why is chat discussing about Prime?
steep sequoia
If we are getting any battle related just Emerl as a boss fight
Battle only make sense as a boss fight instead of a level honestly
unique osprey
I can’t think of anything that would make people mad aside from featuring Ghost Hill
I guess maybe green hill on it’s own would be problematic but surely everybody would see the criticism as valid
open maple
But I doubt anything post 06 would be done here
steep sequoia
yeah
open maple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhKd1bj7G0
Like specially becaose of this video I doubt anything outside of 2001-2006 will be included
this video focuses on what Shadow has done in sa2, heroes, shadow 05 and 06
unique osprey
I too remember shadow’s role in sa1
open maple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KhKd1bj7G0
Like specially becaose of this vide...
it is true there are bits of forces, unleashed and black knight but they are not the focus as those four games mentioned
steep sequoia
I feel like only way to EVER get any some sort of SA1 representation if they wanted to go further with the mural which at the same time is still very unlikely
unique osprey
I’m reaching at this point
unique osprey
no prime, no forces
tbf, the video specifies only covering game appearances. that IDW arc with him doing massive chaos controls could be considered a top 10 moment, but that’s not there
likewise, shadow doesn’t have many “oh wow! so cool!” moments in forces aside from kicking his own clone, which is coincidentally one of the most underwhelming moments for forces’ story as a whole, the kind of thing you don’t wanna put in a top 10
open maple
tbf, the video specifies only covering game appearances. that IDW arc with him d...
I mean, you could include how he beats Infinite in Episode Shadow
I am sure it is more stylish than the roudhouse kick he does to silver in 06
which is in the top
unique osprey
Likewise, shadow 05 is in the list but only with cgi cutscenes and the brief look of the ending to cap the video off
open maple
I am sure it is more stylish than the roudhouse kick he does to silver in 06
(Having it in #4 is wild, ngl)
torn scarab
Likewise, shadow 05 is in the list but only with cgi cutscenes and the brief loo...
who’s the purple guy
unique osprey
ah hell nah bruh
steep sequoia
who’s the purple guy
The secret char in SXSG
keen wren
Her source is bs next topic
open maple
Her source is bs next topic
How did you found out?
open maple
All right back to sonic 3 movie info
No more plushies please!
I am done of plushies and toys!
steep sequoia
Too bad. have more plushies
keen wren
How did you found out?
Oh i just dont believe her
steep sequoia
keen wren
Sonic rivals stage
keen wren
Hes a funky lil guy
open maple
Oh i just dont believe her
lmao
keen wren
lmao
It may sound cynical but earlier this year we had 3 leakers exposed as clout chasing goblins pretending to be other people
I strait up just dont believe her
open maple
It may sound cynical but earlier this year we had 3 leakers exposed as clout cha...
Nah, makes sense
keen wren
Ppl been paying attention to her less, this could be the attention they want. If im wrong ill take the L but off top I don't believe her
unique osprey
that incident a while back definitely set her back reputation wise
open maple
that incident a while back definitely set her back reputation wise
What incident?
unique osprey
when her poor statements on aroace people got dug up
she said she apologized for it at one point but I can’t remember where or when
open maple
I remember she said we had to dig for the apology on instagram I think
and it's like 'huh?'
why would we dig for the apology? Shouldn't you post it on all your media to reflect that you are sorry for that?
balmy fiber
It would be nice to like, make people more open to be like, give her a chance
steep sequoia
they're adding the therapist stage... to show shadow is vulnerable now...
azure trail
Nooo
steep sequoia
Smells like movie stuff lmao
open maple
what are the chances is just the dlc stage
steep sequoia
I can't see what could set fire to the fanbase lmao
steep sequoia
Like why would a Forces level bother people lma
Gens had 06
The issue with Forces is the gameplay, not the original stages 😭
steep sequoia
What would you do
I'd take the first flight to Japan
azure trail
tbf, you know how big the overreaction around forces is
steep sequoia
would kinda suck ngl
if people get upset for that
oooh maybe sonic prime level? lmao
IDW LEVEL
azure trail
if people get upset for that
I mean...
steep sequoia
I am perfectly fine with a forces level as long they make it good in SXSG
worst case scenario: Planet Wisp 2.0
open maple
Pepito when IDW Sonic
(he shows his vulnerability)
/j
azure trail
oooh maybe sonic prime level? lmao
You know what, considering prime is after advance 3 then I could see it
steep sequoia
real talk, I feel like sunset height is the most promising to see the IDW chars lmao
azure trail
but it would be kinda random
if it was based on prime
Not bad per say just
Weird
steep sequoia
If they include IDW stuff in this game
You'll hear me scream from y'all homes
wherever you live
I am just ready for more discourses and just vibe
IDW = industry plants
idw characters*
open maple
dire quiver
Like why would a Forces level bother people lma
It would bother me, having a Forces stage return would not be exciting.
dire quiver
It wouldn't be graphically any different, considering they could reuse most if not all of the assets.
azure trail
IDW = industry plants
LOOOL
open maple
Okay let's calm down
open maple
Let's nowhere near that
azure trail
as if idw story arcs arent canon
steep sequoia
yeah no prob
azure trail
they just appear and is a new character
never seen before
Just using the same designs from the comics but giving them a new introduction rather than making people know who they are
open maple
Just using the same designs from the comics but giving them a new introduction r...
At that point
just do a new character
what would be the point of using the looks of the character if their background and such will be different?
azure trail
Why? you arent changing their personality just giving them a new origin for the games specifically
rather than assuming people know who they are
open maple
but you can still show who they are without acting like the original media they were introduced doesn't matter
Doesn't mean you have to do a whole ass intro a la Suicide Squad of David Ayer
but each game can simply contextualize who they are and what they do
in this little thing named 'act 1' narratively speaking
like you wish the diamond cutters in the game? Just say 'they were in a mission that just happened to be where the events of the game happen'
steep sequoia
Honestly if they wanted to start bringing the IDW chars, just do Tangle and Whipser first
They are very easy enough to do so
While for certain ones that are still involved with the resistence like Lanolin and Jewel should appear later
azure trail
like you wish the diamond cutters in the game? Just say 'they were in a mission ...
I dont doubt that could work but imo if you introduce them again with no use of the comics would be better cuz else you dont have that feeling of confusion of who are they or since where has they been there
Is just a small thingy but I will always mention the sonic quote in frontiers mentioning tangle
or amy mentioning sticks
open maple
Yeah but they don't mean much in the grander context of Frontiers story, it's just people that they know from somewhere else
just like Tails first talked about professor Pickle in Apotos when you rescue him back at Sonic Unleashed
It merely shows they have lives outside of the adventures we get to see on the games
Amy knows a friend named Sticks which she wishes to do a road trip with, coolio
Sonic knows a friend named Tangle who would like to climb ruins, coolio
azure trail
just like Tails first talked about professor Pickle in Apotos when you rescue hi...
you get to meet him right after tho
open maple
you get to meet him right after tho
No, you don't. You meet his assistant that tells you he was kidnapped
open maple
Or how about Merlin?
You never get to see him in Black Knight
and yet he's a very important character in that story as he was the one who created King Arthur to begin with
open maple
or how about Tikal's grandma?
azure trail
tikal has a grandma!?
open maple
Yep
in Tails story, she talks about how she learned the emerald chant by her
'the servants are the seven chaos, chaos is power, power enriched by the heart, the controller is the one that unifies the chaos'
It was a riddle that she couldn't solve
steep sequoia
Yeah Tikal outright say that
It was the same area where you get Tails's ribbon badge
open maple
And no one is like 'well idk about Tikal's grandma' because the story contextualizes her and the chant by being a chant sang to the children
you don't need to erase Merlin of the story cause Black Knight contextualizes him as being the creator of King Arthur
azure trail
in Tails story, she talks about how she learned the emerald chant by her
Oh right, I just look it up
But she only mentions it once
open maple
you don't need to erase Merlin of the story cause Black Knight contextualizes hi...
and just like any other story that the writers can work because they have to do the effort to make them make sense in the story
Otherwise, you get Blaze in 06
azure trail
And no one is like 'well idk about Tikal's grandma' because the story contextual...
that's completly different
azure trail
Idw story and chars are basically getting into the games as if they were always there
that's where the concern is
and is why me personally would prefer them to get introduced in a different way
steep sequoia
Only one that did any shit were Shadow, Rouge, and Omega. Silver was on and off and the rest were just downright pointless
open maple
Idw story and chars are basically getting into the games as if they were always ...
That wasn't a problem for team chaotix in heroes
steep sequoia
Whereas for IDW chars they can easily introduce them in some form
open maple
Eggman found them and hired them rather easily
azure trail
Only one that did any shit were Shadow, Rouge, and Omega. Silver was on and off ...
you still get to know more about shadow at least bc of his story but yeah
steep sequoia
There's that yeah
open maple
That's majority of 06 chars
Yeah but Blaze is the most aggregious example
because fans of back then thought she was from the future of Silver due to the lack of context the game did on her
steep sequoia
Oh yeah not wrong I am just saying majority of 06 cast are pointless
dry sorrel
Only one that did any shit were Shadow, Rouge, and Omega. Silver was on and off ...
Sonic 06 is unintentionally a Shadow game when you put it like that lol
steep sequoia
But yeah as for the IDW chars. I don't think they'll have any issue since majority of them are very easy to implement
north vault
IDW = industry plants
incorrect!! sonic already did an industry plant back in 2004
steep sequoia
It comes down to whether actually introduce them in some form
open maple
yeah, and mayority of them are easy to do. You just pull the 'long time no see' card and that's it
dire quiver
Sonic 06 is unintentionally a Shadow game when you put it like that lol
Does that make Sonic Prime a Shadow show?
open maple
Only ones I see struggling with are Surge and Kit
azure trail
That wasn't a problem for team chaotix in heroes
the chaotix dont know any of the characters in heroes
they are strangers
fksla;fsa
they all meet in heroes
open maple
the chaotix dont know any of the characters in heroes
they knew Eggman was their client at the end of the game
steep sequoia
Does that make Sonic Prime a Shadow show?
no
open maple
without even knowing him
steep sequoia
Because Shadow was mostly in the void
urban scroll
That wasn't a problem for team chaotix in heroes
The chaotix were literally reintroduced as a whole other thing and with one-two less members
steep sequoia
It was just mainly Sonic and Nines show
azure trail
Eggman knew them yes but sonic and friends didnt
steep sequoia
Eggman knew them yes but sonic and friends didnt
maaaaan would have been nice seeing Knuckles actually meet them in Heroes
azure trail
And you get to know more about them as their story progress, if sonic and friends knew about them already then I would agree
open maple
Plus Espio says 'that's the evil genius doctor eggman!'
steep sequoia
It would at least be a very good callback to Knuckles Chaotix
azure trail
maaaaan would have been nice seeing Knuckles actually meet them in Heroes
I mean he does in the end
they just dont talk 😭
urban scroll
You can reintroduce a character and give them an intro/backstory that's better contextualized in the games
azure trail
Plus Espio says 'that's the evil genius doctor eggman!'
Eggman is pretty much known in sonic's world
urban scroll
Than just plop them in randomly
steep sequoia
It's one of the main reason why Tangle is very easy to implement
She blends in the game cast so well
azure trail
even the president knows him
open maple
It's one of the main reason why Tangle is very easy to implement
Tangle, whisper, jewel, Belle somewhat
steep sequoia
And yeah pretty much anyone know who Eggman is in Sonic's world
Belle is a hard no lmao
She is a more complicated spot
azure trail
You can reintroduce a character and give them an intro/backstory that's better c...
Yeah exactly
open maple
And yeah pretty much anyone know who Eggman is in Sonic's world
Belle currently just can be a mechanic
azure trail
but I dont mind if they just use a similar origin to the comics
open maple
But I mean by in terms of introducing whom first
oh then okay
azure trail
Im just saying that making them feel like they have always being there is not the way to go
urban scroll
You can still introduce someone like Whisper as a secret participant in Forces' story
Since those events did still happen in both stories
open maple
But why? You don't need it. Currently, just say she is in a mission and that's it.
Even her introduction was just destroying a base of eggman within the aftermath of forces and somewhat contextualized by Silver as an 'angel'
urban scroll
Because that's a basic thing that they could do to ease the audience in getting used to the character
Instead of just having them in the story randomly being like, "who tf is that"
steep sequoia
rather than assuming people know who they are
i'd just love to see the percentage of sonic games players who read idw lmao
azure trail
Take tails introduction in sonic 2
steep sequoia
Some sort of context at least help instead of just randomly appearing
steep sequoia
Yeah they still do this many times with Tails, Knuckles, and Amy
Shadow ain't no different for this either lmao
dire quiver
Tails' introduction in S2 is funny tho.
open maple
you dont really know who that guy is
he presents himself to Sonic in the car chase scene, and you can see some of what he can do beforehand
azure trail
But then in sonic 3 you get knuckles, you dont know who that guy is but you get to slowly know more about him the more you progress through sonic 3k
urban scroll
Sonic and Amy find a random wisp somewhere
They ask where Whisper is
"She's on a mission"
Player is confused, "who tf is Whisper?"
unique osprey
IDW LEVEL
Everybody likes IDW though
well not everybody but
there’s no controversy there
urban scroll
Idw is generally recieved well by the general audience from what I can see
azure trail
i'd just love to see the percentage of sonic games players who read idw lmao
they sure have a big fanbase but the comics are really niche
unique osprey
mid characters gassed up by fans
bro you haven’t completed the comics 😭 I don’t even think you’ve read the T&W miniseries
dry sorrel
tbf
Rouge randomly shows up in SA2 and harasses Knuckles
but she makes up for that by the game telling us she's a goverment spy who works for the president
steep sequoia
they sure have a big fanbase but the comics are really niche
i'd just like to know fr lmao
open maple
Zavok is way better in IDW, I am surprised
unique osprey
Zavok is way better in IDW, I am surprised
this too
keen wren
Idw is generally recieved well by the general audience from what I can see
From what ive seen the general audience dont fw with the early shadow stuff either
steep sequoia
to know every fan's stance on this
open maple
tbf
Rouge randomly shows up in SA2 and harasses Knuckles
but she makes up for th...
And the dialogues suggest she has done this for a while now
azure trail
There is fans that only play the games, just like there is comic only fans and tv shows only fans, hell I'll assume there is people that are only into sonic bc of the toys or the designs
unique osprey
From what ive seen the general audience dont fw with the early shadow stuff eith...
that’s the common thing I’ve seen
“The comic is really good but Shadow sucks”
keen wren
“The comic is really good but Shadow sucks”
They didn't stop writing shadow for us, normal folks werent feeling it either
steep sequoia
There is fans that only play the games, just like there is comic only fans and t...
let's just ask those who play the games
IDW is essentially another sonic related media t hat people got into the series really
Okay
cause comic-only fans aren't concerned
urban scroll
tbf
Rouge randomly shows up in SA2 and harasses Knuckles
but she makes up for th...
She gets an actual introduction in the dark side of the story tho
She's meant to be more of a mystery the first time you play the game
dire quiver
I am one of the few almost game-only fans in here.
unique osprey
let's just ask those who play the games
you’re still gonna get a mostly positive reception
open maple
She gets an actual introduction in the dark side of the story tho
She's meant to...
Not really. Her first cutscene is the same as the one of the hero story
dire quiver
Barely ever read IDW.
unique osprey
do you think most of the people gassing up frontiers’ writers haven’t already read idw 😭
steep sequoia
you’re still gonna get a mostly positive reception
i doubt it
urban scroll
she is contextualized later
I still consider that an introduction
To the audience anyway
unique osprey
i doubt it
I guess we’ll see in the next mainline game and a idw character shows up 😁
steep sequoia
and not just ask "want some new characters???"
azure trail
I have never really read anything about idw, I know the characters yes, because a lot of people in social media share about them but I have never read a single comic 😭
steep sequoia
I guess we’ll see in the next mainline game and a idw character shows up 😁
too late now lmao
dire quiver
Me too.
urban scroll
I'm sure if they make them entertaining enough, they won't really care if they come from the comics or not
dire quiver
I only have a slight idea of their personality.
steep sequoia
once again sega gives in to a minority
unique osprey
I have never really read anything about idw, I know the characters yes, because ...
I do genuinely recommend T&W for people unfamiliar with IDW or wanna give it a shot
steep sequoia
at least this time they're true fans at least lmao
unique osprey
once again sega gives in to a minority
yeah it’d be weird for Sega to be racist imo
unique osprey
explaining the stakes of their inclusion
There are no real stakes here you don’t lose anything by making IDW canon
azure trail
chaotix interactions in heroes fklqw;fkq
unique osprey
everybody lowkey thought the chaotix were hobos in that game im dying
dire quiver
chaotix interactions in heroes fklqw;fkq
Amy thought Vector was going to date her (or something like that).
steep sequoia
There are no real stakes here you don’t lose anything by making IDW canon
the tiny bits of consistency the games had 🥲
these comics weren't made to be canon
they must not be canon
period
open maple
chaotix interactions in heroes fklqw;fkq
Oh, they used tios in Spanish subs 💀
steep sequoia
everybody lowkey thought the chaotix were hobos in that game im dying
Amy not knowing who chaotix even is made me laughed LOL
And she is part of the classic era too 💀
urban scroll
the tiny bits of consistency the games had 🥲
The stories in idw are not stories that occur in the main game canon
The stories in the games occur in the canon of the comics
The only "canon" thing is being able to use whatever characters they make for the comic in the games
steep sequoia
The stories in idw are not stories that occur in the main game canon
The stories...
you sure of that?
open maple
I am pretty sure Ian said IDW is canon to the games
north vault
i'd just love to see the percentage of sonic games players who read idw lmao
depends - amongst hardcore older sonic fans (ie: a lotta us in here) its prolly a higher percentage, but as you go down in age & internet use it dwindles just due to not being in the know about everything sonic and having access to the comics
urban scroll
you sure of that?
Considering that the metal virus was never mentioned in Frontiers, I'm making a safe guess that yes, I am sure
north vault
and then there's the whole issue of these comics just, not being accessible to a lotta non-english-speaking countries - either being very behind or just not having em at all
azure trail
The stories in idw are not stories that occur in the main game canon
The stories...
even with that idw story wise is its own thing no? Im pretty sure forces is the only game they take from the canon cuz frontiers doesnt really get any reference
Is its own timeline
Wouldnt be surprise if they reintroduce sage
open maple
even with that idw story wise is its own thing no? Im pretty sure forces is the ...
No, they had mentioned and used elements from past games and such
Unleashed, secret rings, colors, heroes, etc
steep sequoia
yup Jane that's what I think as well
that's why i said i'd love to carry out a huuuuuge poll
but that's impossible
azure trail
Unleashed, secret rings, colors, heroes, etc
yeah because idw happens after it
not before
steep sequoia
Considering that the metal virus was never mentioned in Frontiers, I'm making a ...
Well, we'll see in the next games
But I hate the idea of having characters popping up as if they were in previous games
open maple
yeah because idw happens after it
Mhm. Evan said there wouldn't be any IDW content post frontiers for now cause they are waiting for the next mainline game. It wouldn't be right to have the comics as the most recent point of the chronology of the canon
unique osprey
cause they were introduced in a game
They were still considered a soft reboot though
azure trail
Considering that the metal virus was never mentioned in Frontiers, I'm making a ...
didnt the platypus dr was mentioned in frontiers?
unique osprey
and then Blaze and Cream, they were introduced in handhelds
azure trail
I rember
unique osprey
you also have the fact that-
wraith mica
i don’t think you have to reintroduce them in a way that completely disregards their actual story
open maple
didnt the platypus dr was mentioned in frontiers?
Nop. Tangle was
unique osprey
didnt the platypus dr was mentioned in frontiers?
Twitter Takeover
Tangle was mentioned in Frontiers
open maple
Starline was referenced in a twitter takeover, but eggman barely remembers him lmao
steep sequoia
They were still considered a soft reboot though
but games
they were introduced in games
azure trail
Tangle was mentioned in Frontiers
I know 😭
steep sequoia
I always assume IDW were immediately canon since the very first issue
azure trail
I pointed it out before
unique osprey
pepito you can’t play half of the intro games for most characters in frontiers
steep sequoia
every character that has ever been featured in a game hasn't been introduced elsewhere
than a game
And?
azure trail
I always assume IDW were immediately canon since the very first issue
the people that worked in idw mentioned that it wasnt canon since the comics came out tho
steep sequoia
the people that worked in idw mentioned that it wasnt canon since the comics cam...
Oh then fair enough
unique osprey
the people that worked in idw mentioned that it wasnt canon since the comics cam...
things changed lmfao
azure trail
is more of a last minute change
open maple
the people that worked in idw mentioned that it wasnt canon since the comics cam...
initially it was not canon, but sega decided it to be
steep sequoia
I just thought it was since it took place after Forces
steep sequoia
things changed lmfao
No no I mean when it started
open maple
around Frontiers started the change
steep sequoia
if it's not supposed to be canon from the beginning
north vault
I can see em popping in most of the IDW cast fairly seamlessly without needing to reference their comic origins, cos like
isn't that just what anyone picking up any game in this series as a first title without playing the previous ones experiences lol
steep sequoia
Not the game series itself
it shouldn't be canon
that's all
Well too bad
lmao
unique osprey
it is canon because tangle was mentioned in frontiers and official lore managers/sonic team/people working on the canon are saying it is
it’s been this way for nearly two years
unique osprey
and they keep pushing in that direction
wraith mica
big oof lol
urban scroll
Well, we'll see in the next games
I wonder if they'll show up in Shadow Gens
steep sequoia
I doubt honestly leaph
unique osprey
you can’t argue “it didn’t USED to be canon” because I didn’t USED to be on my way to college, that doesn’t mean it can’t happen
open maple
if it's not supposed to be canon from the beginning
Things can change, something may not have initially have an intent but can change with time
The chaotix in heroes were a HARD REBOOT of them with respect to Knuckles Chaotix according to Iizuka, thus making Knuckles Chaotix not canon; later on, the game was made canon
steep sequoia
Because it's more of Shadow's story pov
Not a good time to place the IDW chars there
unique osprey
I wonder if they'll show up in Shadow Gens
I mean obviously not there
urban scroll
Why not?
unique osprey
I mean
urban scroll
I mean it's been only 7 years since
steep sequoia
Again this is more of Shadow's pov
steep sequoia
And even with generations story they are most likely not going to change anything
unique osprey
background characters who don’t interact with the MCs too much
but shadow gens is pretty centered on shadow’s past
north vault
I can see em popping in most of the IDW cast fairly seamlessly without needing t...
like not everyone has played every sonic game since the first, you don't really need an origin for most of the cast beyond "this is sonic's mate and they act like XYZ" - there's exceptions ofc (the shadow-shaped elephant in the room), but pretty much every game is pick up and play for a reason
open maple
I wonder if they'll show up in Shadow Gens
it's Gens, so before forces (ergo before IDW), and even if it was post frontiers, shadow doesn't really have a connection with any of the IDW cast
steep sequoia
unique osprey
it’d be funny as fuck if nite showed up in the white void though
Pepito we’ve already talked about this
steep sequoia
like not everyone has played every sonic game since the first, you don't really ...
yeah but games are the king medium
unique osprey
these articles are meaningless now
balmy fiber
Does anyone remember sage
steep sequoia
Company decisions change all the time
open maple
It was like that back in 2018 or so, the current information says otherwise. It changed
steep sequoia
I always do henry
unique osprey
you can’t keep saying “b-but they said this in 2018!!” because they fucking changed their mind
wraith mica
they have a sign of chaos cola in radical highway if that counts for anything
unique osprey
they changed their mind pepito 😭
urban scroll
If any idw storyline gets mentioned in the next game after Shadow Gens, then I'll shut up
steep sequoia
you can’t keep saying “b-but they said this in 2018!!” because they fucking chan...
yeah and what im sayin is that it's a stupid decision!!!!
open maple
When Sage in IDW?
Wait for the next mainline game for IDW to add that up
unique osprey
yeah and what im sayin is that it's a stupid decision!!!!
it’s not stupid though
azure trail
When Sage in IDW?
Probably never as of right now 😭
unique osprey
you haven’t given any proof as to why it’s stupid
north vault
like not everyone has played every sonic game since the first, you don't really ...
(it's why I do kinda question frontiers leaning so hard on the references honestly - do normal people understand half of the terms being thrown around so hard in that lol, they gotta find a better balance next game imo)
steep sequoia
Like they just wanted to please fans LMAO
No consistency (what remains of it) in mind
north vault
yeah but games are the king medium
what was the first sonic game you played, pepito
unique osprey
Like they just wanted to please fans LMAO
dude NOBODY wants prime to be canon
azure trail
Also, notice how no one really has a problem with the idw cast getting into the games, is only making the story canon
steep sequoia
just marketing
unique osprey
and it still is!!!!!
urban scroll
Like they just wanted to please fans LMAO
Name one fan who's pleased that Prime is canon
Please
unique osprey
this isn’t about pleasing fans
unique osprey
Also, notice how no one really has a problem with the idw cast getting into the ...
even the story contradictions are very minimal/unimportant
steep sequoia
promoting these two
open maple
Ian had to handle Prime being canon anyway 
steep sequoia
what was the first sonic game you played, pepito
sadx
unique osprey
“Sonic’s characterization sucks though!!” wait until I tell you about a little game called Sonic Lost World
open maple
even the story contradictions are very minimal/unimportant
Ian, Evan and co had made a very consistent comic with the canon all things considered
steep sequoia
“Sonic’s characterization sucks though!!” wait until I tell you about a little g...
it's a game
it's superior to comics in terms of legitimacy
unique osprey
Ian, Evan and co had made a very consistent comic with the canon all things cons...
this is why idw being canon isn’t as nearly problematic as certain people try to make it out to be
azure trail
even the story contradictions are very minimal/unimportant
Then why doesnt sonic relate his cyber corruption to the metal virus tho
open maple
No it's not, a game can fuck up more than the comics
balmy fiber
They dont make sonic straight in the end in lost world so its more canon than prime
steep sequoia
it's like a manga
if it's in the manga
it's canon
bro
no choice
That sounds exactly like a one piece fan
unless it's retconned
💀
Like I am not even kidding
unique osprey
Then why doesnt sonic relate his cyber corruption to the metal virus tho
this is slightly weird, but that’s also cancelled out by the tangle mention and the eggmet mention
eggnet*
urban scroll
unless it's retconned
They can retcon idw into the games then
north vault
sadx
cool, neat, as the first game in the series you played you wouldn't have had knowledge of what happened in the others beforehand right - and judging by the fact you're still here, that didn't affect your enjoyment of it I'd guess
steep sequoia
They can retcon idw into the games then
wdym
unique osprey
They can retcon idw into the games then
it’s not a retcon if it doesn’t really contradict anything
north vault
now, similar situation here
steep sequoia
Every time I see the anime adaptation put something extra, One Piece fans kept going like, "IT'S NOT CANON. JUST TOEI ADDING MORE STUFF!"
Like bro
💀
unique osprey
#1-(it hasn’t ended yet) is still post forces
open maple
Then why doesnt sonic relate his cyber corruption to the metal virus tho
Because metal virus as a story and frontiers as a game were developed around at the same time so they wouldn't mention something like that given their particular circumstances
unique osprey
you can just slot it there
steep sequoia
Every time I see the anime adaptation put something extra, One Piece fans kept g...
and they're right
unique osprey
easy peasy
steep sequoia
as an example
studio pierrot added some weird shit to naruto
ruining consistency
clumsy writing
unique osprey
okay okay let’s do a test
steep sequoia
that intertwines with manga canon event
unique osprey
pepito, they’re making a new shadow manga
azure trail
Because metal virus as a story and frontiers as a game were developed around at ...
Is supposed to go after the virus story
steep sequoia
making it more inconsistent
unique osprey
would you be okay with THAT being canon?
steep sequoia
would you be okay with THAT being canon?
yeah
azure trail
Im pretty sure ian already knew how the metal virus was gonna end
steep sequoia
i've already said i was okay with tie-in stuff
just like the froces thing
and the frontiers thing
cause they're written for the games
unique osprey
it’s an ongoing series though, it’s not just a SXSG thing
steep sequoia
and aren't as "heavy" as the comics
north vault
cool, neat, as the first game in the series you played you wouldn't have had kno...
my first was Generations and that game just, throws a billion different things from the series at you without explanation lmao, it is actively a weird starting point - but I'm still here, cos the vibes carried and I looked into the rest in my own time, and I see no reason why comics would be any different there
steep sequoia
well, at first we gotta see if it's supposed to be canon or not
unique osprey
Im pretty sure ian already knew how the metal virus was gonna end
frontiers was written around 2020/2021 from what im guessing, so before IDW was canonized but after tangle would’ve been in speed battle
open maple
Because metal virus as a story and frontiers as a game were developed around at ...
Like frontiers started post 2017 due to forces, being released in 2022
and metal virus started it's run in 2019 with issue #12 and ended with issue #32 (if you consider the epilogue) in 2020, so part of Frontiers story was already done or just being refined.
dry sorrel
it's Gens, so before forces (ergo before IDW), and even if it was post frontiers...
technically he has an indirect connection to Whisper's backstory but otherwise you're right
open maple
By the time metal virus started
steep sequoia
well, at first we gotta see if it's supposed to be canon or not
then we gotta see what it introduces
unique osprey
frontiers mentioning tangle and then IDW going on to be canon supplement each other, while technically a coincidence, it isn’t really
So it’s mostly a matter of where we go from here
And like
Karasuno is a fan of the comic
Toyoda translates the comic
open maple
technically he has an indirect connection to Whisper's backstory but otherwise y...
Yeah but it isn't like he cares for her for that. Heck they just kept their distance of eachother
unique osprey
Iizuka has expressed interest in involving the characters in more things
And the appearance of IDW elements has been ramping up more and more thanks to all three of these factors
steep sequoia
IDW is at least easy enough to implement since Sonic series never really bother doing some "actual timeline" thing. Just using the game series alone to easy put which take places and whatnot
unique osprey
im pretty comfortable in saying that the next game will have a decent sized IDW connection
north vault
my first was Generations and that game just, throws a billion different things f...
I didn't need a full rundown on who every single person was and their full backstory was, you can sorta just
work out the very basic architypes for these videogame characters from the childrens videogame series at a glance lol
I see no reason why that would be different for Tangle than it would be for, say, Vector, or Mighty, or Rouge
wraith mica
they just had random side characters in promotional imagery
steep sequoia
Only one I say brings... a lot of confusion is battle due to a lot of convoluted writings
open maple
it's like a manga
Manga means comic in Japanese
unique osprey
especially since it’s being developed after the comic’s canonization
open maple
💀
unique osprey
that’s not something you miss
urban scroll
All we need to do is see if they're gonna add the characters in the games in the first place
And not have them relegated to passing mentions
Because it's been 7 years and that's all we've gotten past extra characters for a mobile game
steep sequoia
Also yeah they literally add the IDW chars for that firefighting ad
And it's in Japan, so make that as yo uwill
unique osprey
Also yeah they literally add the IDW chars for that firefighting ad
they’re not only deep cuts they’re deep cuts that make sense
steep sequoia
im pretty comfortable in saying that the next game will have a decent sized IDW ...
mega L
their biggest L since Forces easily
Pepito
Just get a fucking grip dude lmao
unique osprey
and again, influenced by karasuno’s own care for th-wait a minute why am I even arguing about this
unique osprey
pepito I thought you said you didn’t care about allat
steep sequoia
I'm so happy
no?
Yeah i accepted it lmao
I am more of saying like
"Dude freaking chill"
unique osprey
then why are you
steep sequoia
it still sucks
urban scroll
It sucks yet nothing has happened yet
north vault
I see no reason why that would be different for Tangle than it would be for, say...
"but its from a different medium, it can't be carried over into the games!!" did you know superman being able to fly came from the radio serials
steep sequoia
sometimes i jsut need to vent
unique osprey
a long-ass conversation about how bad it is isn’t accepting it pepito 😭
steep sequoia
I can understand why you don't like it but at the same time, there is at the point where you should stop
steep sequoia
a long-ass conversation about how bad it is isn’t accepting it pepito 😭
it's like having a bad president
nothing you can do
gotta accept it
urban scroll
I don't think it's worth fearing for a possibility that isn't even entirely certain
open maple
There is a pseudo reference to IDW in frontiers
unique osprey
it's like having a bad president
NOT THE SAME THING NOT THE SAME THING ‼️ 
azure trail
All we need to do is see if they're gonna add the characters in the games in the...
Could you imagine they just end up as mentions 💀
dire quiver
What even is the problem with IDW being canon exactly?
azure trail
God it would be so funny
open maple
according to Ian, the digital circuits scene of Eggman at the early of the game can be applied to the egg net in IDW or the digital constructs in shadow 05 he does every now and then
urban scroll
Could you imagine they just end up as mentions 💀
Well, then
At least there's next game
unique osprey
according to Ian, the digital circuits scene of Eggman at the early of the game ...
he mentions the Eggnet by name in the game too
azure trail
What even is the problem with IDW being canon exactly?
tbf, none, not the cast at least is moreso the story
unique osprey
I’ve mentioned this a lot but
open maple
he mentions the Eggnet by name in the game too
Yeah. Wasn't it a concept done in the games? I know it's a thing on Archie
unique osprey
“I’ll give you control of the entire Eggnet!” he says this to Sage
steep sequoia
Honestly I am more looking forward to see the IDW cast being implemented but at the same time.....
I still wanted to see both Sage and the humans
dire quiver
tbf, none, not the cast at least is moreso the story
Then what is it about the story that could bring problems?
unique osprey
Yeah. Wasn't it a concept done in the games? I know it's a thing on Archie
apparently it was never mentioned before Archie and then IDW
I can check
steep sequoia
but it sucks
unique osprey
yeah okay, in Archie, in IDW, in Frontiers, but not anywhere else
urban scroll
I have a base level of expectation that Iizuka knows that just mentioning something that happens in an entirely different medium wouldn't be the best move
steep sequoia
oops my internet died for a while
lone lantern
Tiny bit unrelated
(movie oriented, who would've thought coming from me. Amiright?)
I find great joy/interest in sonic returning to his home planet for a plot in a film for the purpose that sonic is well renowned across the galaxy, meaning he's probably a name most characters we know of, already know him of.
Despite him probably being a total stranger to everyone else & that big of a status lol
unique osprey
it’s generally presumed that it’s a general thing that existed as apart of Eggman’s arsenal, which makes sense
steep sequoia
gotta accept it
"but it sucks" was supposed posted right after this message
unique osprey
I have a base level of expectation that Iizuka knows that just mentioning someth...
the idw writers are aware of this too
open maple
Tiny bit unrelated
(movie oriented, who would've thought coming from me. Amirig...
That's sort of what happens in X season 3
unique osprey
Ian spoke of making sure the introduction of the idw characters is done with care
and not just them showing up
steep sequoia
Which I honestly prefer really
unique osprey
nobody is talking like they just want the IDW characters to show up and act like they were always in the games, but it’s a different thing from them and their backstories existing in the canon at all
open maple
Ian as a writer is a person who is very careful about what a character does in what place and why
unique osprey
"but it sucks" was supposed posted right after this message
If it helps starline being dead means one less IDW character to show up in the games
steep sequoia
I have a base level of expectation that Iizuka knows that just mentioning someth...
considering the history of bad decisions/poorly executed stuff this franchise has LMAO
open maple
If it helps starline being dead means one less IDW character to show up in the g...
F for the playtipus
urban scroll
and not just them showing up
"Holy shit it's Clutch O Possum!"
The number of people who would ask who that is
steep sequoia
A decade of aboslutely ruined characterization to please a minority
well consequences won't be as bad this time i gotta admit
azure trail
"Holy shit it's Clutch O Possum!"
>The number of people who would ask who that i...
lmaoo
fr
steep sequoia
cause idw fans are still real fans
and idw writing is much more faithful than pontaff
unique osprey
"Holy shit it's Clutch O Possum!"
>The number of people who would ask who that i...
this would actually work out really well if the game in question builds him up as a genuine effective threat before this moment
azure trail
Then what is it about the story that could bring problems?
mostly acting like it was always there and the characters not having proper introductions
steep sequoia
but once again, sega takes a bad decision listening to a minority of fans
IDW writing has their moments where I questioned them, but I still rather take it over whatever the fuck writing 2010 has
steep sequoia
IDW writing has their moments where I questioned them, but I still rather take i...
yeah same
unique osprey
I’ll read a million overpowereds before I get another “those rotten, sneaky…”
steep sequoia
Nothing will ever piss me off the most over how Chaos 0 was treated in Forces over this god damn series
dire quiver
mostly acting like it was always there and the characters not having proper intr...
... That's it?
steep sequoia
still on the same spectrum, except one is bad and one is alright
but that's another debate...
open maple
Nothing will ever piss me off the most over how Chaos 0 was treated in Forces o...
Ian heavy carrying Chaos 0 reputation with the forces prequel comic
steep sequoia
Ian heavy carrying Chaos 0 reputation with the forces prequel comic
Good
Chaos 0 is him 🗿
or she, or I guess.... genderless?????
dire quiver
You can't tell me pepito is arguing all of this only for that reason.
urban scroll
or she, or I guess.... genderless?????
Them
steep sequoia
azure trail
but once again, sega takes a bad decision listening to a minority of fans
I doubt this came out by listening, remember that IDW since the beginning tried to be really close to the games in terms of plot and characters compared to the archie comics, so there might have been an interest into making them appear into the games as time went on
steep sequoia
I feel like there is also with how.. archie is handled
open maple
I doubt this came out by listening, remember that IDW since the beginning tried ...
Yeah. With IDW in particular, SEGA became more strict to avoid Penders situations
lone lantern
That's sort of what happens in X season 3
It honestly is a neat angle to go with.
steep sequoia
Yeah. With IDW in particular, SEGA became more strict to avoid Penders situation...
Probably for the best
azure trail
Nooo
dire quiver
or she, or I guess.... genderless?????
It.
azure trail
😭
steep sequoia
I doubt this came out by listening, remember that IDW since the beginning tried ...
i think they just tried to avoid a penders situation
open maple
Probably for the best
It started around Post archie reboot
azure trail
i think they just tried to avoid a penders situation
Pretty much, and they did a nice job at it
unique osprey
i think they just tried to avoid a penders situation
both of these can be true
they were sticking closer to the games, yes, but post Archie did this too
Sega was WAY more hands on with IDW though
azure trail
Any idw story like the metal virus for example can be easily adapted into a game
compared to archie
steep sequoia
yeah that interested came as time went on
open maple
Iizuka particularily is very fond of Ian from what I could gather
steep sequoia
ngl metal virus being a survival horror game will be a raw idea
open maple
The reason Ian worked initially with IDW is for Iizuka himself
azure trail
But I still believe just making it straight up canon and acting like it always has been is still not the way to go
random portal
Hopefully a Metal Virus game would do more than X character gets infected, everyone is sad and Sonic is forced to confront his actions but does nothing to change them because he cant
unique osprey
Iizuka particularily is very fond of Ian from what I could gather
people brought up the fan campaign, but Iizuka seems like he just liked Ian’s writing
azure trail
I would prefer the cast appear in the games but giving them new origins and thats it
steep sequoia
I would prefer the cast appear in the games but giving them new origins and that...
it's a compromise i would accept
unique osprey
I wouldn’t like new origins for them because what would really be the point
open maple
people brought up the fan campaign, but Iizuka seems like he just liked Ian’s wr...
Yeah. Ian was very nervous on meeting Iizuka when he did his pitch for IDW
unique osprey
they’d be the exact same characters and trying to differentiate them would be a massive losing battle
open maple
But it was Iizuka himself who requested him
unique osprey
Yeah. Ian was very nervous on meeting Iizuka when he did his pitch for IDW
this is the first im hearing of this wait
Ian pitched TO Iizuka??
steep sequoia
too bad most idw sonic characters look ugly/stupid to me BUT HEY
open maple
this is the first im hearing of this wait
Yep. Let me share you the source
azure trail
just do the same as the chaotix in heroes and give them a new introduction idk, you could make tangle be someone that was in the forces resistance and then make her hate eggman idk
steep sequoia
tangle whisper and surge look pretty good
urban scroll
just do the same as the chaotix in heroes and give them a new introduction idk, ...
Or just have her as another free spirit like Rouge or Sonic
steep sequoia
the rest
azure trail
Or just have her as another free spirit like Rouge or Sonic
tru
unique osprey
Or just have her as another free spirit like Rouge or Sonic
that’s what she started off as already lol
steep sequoia
I'd rather laugh about it
urban scroll
She could just be fucking around
urban scroll
that’s what she started off as already lol
Yeah
unique osprey
She’s not necessarily in the restoration either, just the diamond cutters
open maple
just do the same as the chaotix in heroes and give them a new introduction idk, ...
Why do you need that? Again her intro in IDW is so simple that you don't even need that
She is just a lemur that Sonic ran up to one day, that's it
her tail stretches and she's a goofball
granted, it was in the aftermath of forces so she was beating badniks that were around, but it was very simple regardless
steep sequoia
tangle first ingame line
"hey sonic, remember what i said in issue #61 page 7?"
Tangle is by far the easiest to implement really
open maple
*tangle first ingame line*
"hey sonic, remember what i said in issue #61 page 7?...
Local fan notices how comics usually reference other issues
steep sequoia
She was just immediately introduce and just coexisting with the other chars
steep sequoia
Local fan notices how comics usually reference other issues
nah i mean if she says that in the game
Why in the hell will they put that in?
unique osprey
my approach is
tangle = adventurer sonic teamed up with
whisper = the guardian angel who aided the resistance in the Eggman war
lanolin = leader of the group that binds them all together, the new diamond cutters
then from there you can elaborate further on their stories through optional conversations or natural occurrences in the story
open maple
nah i mean if she says that in the game
As far as I remember, she doesn't have any fourth wall break abilities so it's unlikely
steep sequoia
Yeah thats Sticks's shitck
unique osprey
my approach is
tangle = adventurer sonic teamed up with
whisper = the guardian ...
the comics by all means are still canon, but we introduce the basic building blocks for these characters to start off and go from there
azure trail
*tangle first ingame line*
"hey sonic, remember what i said in issue #61 page 7?...
LOOL
unique osprey
and for the others, it’s the same
steep sequoia
my approach is
tangle = adventurer sonic teamed up with
whisper = the guardian ...
Best way to do so honestly
azure trail
I doubt that could happen 😭
open maple
my approach is
tangle = adventurer sonic teamed up with
whisper = the guardian ...
Have them be on a mission, tangle gets lost because of her excitement of adventure, she meets Sonic & co while Whisper and Lanolin search for her
steep sequoia
Probably the only tricky ones are the later on like Mimic, Surge, Kit, Starline, Belle, etc.
Lanolin is easy enough considering her purpose despite being a background char at first
unique osprey
surge = psychotic electrical speedster who wants to kill sonic
kit = surge’s right hand man
belle = an amnesiac eggman’s abandoned daughter
jewel = leader of the restoration and tangle’s friend
starline = DEAD HES DEAD HES NEVER GONNA SHOW UP
RIP BOZO
steep sequoia
lmasodsfjidnosk what the fuck
urban scroll
You could probably have Starline be introduced in the same manner, being a big fan of Eggman and wanting to follow in his footsteps, kind of like Tails
But then creating Surge and Kit as the secondary antagonists
unique osprey
mimic = malicious shapeshifter with a dark past
Mentioned before that if they ever wanna feature Starline in the games, they should do it in a similar fashion to the Egg Logs
open maple
who the fuck is that 😭
First one is sheep done with life
Belle is a robot created by eggman when he had amnesia and was Mr. Tinker
and Mimic is a mercenary who can shapeshift
steep sequoia
unique osprey
sonic goes to an abandoned egg base and finds a bunch of old tapes from Starline while making surge and kit
steep sequoia
thanks for the input tho
open maple
Mimic is sort of easy. Make it like wolf in Star Fox
urban scroll
who the fuck is that 😭
Me with any b-list dc character when I was like 13
open maple
he just shows to cause mayhem and the villain of turn paid him for it
steep sequoia
surge = psychotic electrical speedster who wants to kill sonic
kit = surge’s rig...
MAN POOR STARLINE!
💀
Like broooo--
wait I just realize
unique osprey
we see his thought process and how he recounts the events of the comics, leading up to his climactic faceoff with Eggman
and then that’s where the logs end and for the casuals it’s like “what the fuck what happened huh” and for the fans who know it’s like 💀
steep sequoia
Clutch may be the closest to actually have Yakuza series implemented in Sonic LMAO
unique osprey
clutch = hey kids want some candy
dire quiver
First one is sheep done with life
Belle is a robot created by eggman when he ha...
Wait, was it Eggman that had amnesia or the robot?
urban scroll
Clutch may be the closest to actually have Yakuza series implemented in Sonic LM...
Ya
unique osprey
Wait, was it Eggman that had amnesia or the robot?
The former
steep sequoia
Even so it's something now I'd think of it
urban scroll
That would've been cool to see
dire quiver
When did he have amnesia and why?
steep sequoia
When did he have amnesia and why?
The aftermath of Forces
open maple
Wait, was it Eggman that had amnesia or the robot?
After forces, Eggman was found in Windmill isle by the locals but he had amnesia
urban scroll
When did he have amnesia and why?
Fell from space
open maple
The chaotix and sonic started to do research to determine what to do
little they know that a certain playtipus would make things go downhill
steep sequoia
dire quiver
Perry the Platypus?!
open maple
🤯
steep sequoia
ngl I love how Starline is really the main cause of pretty much anything
urban scroll
Ngl the fact that they haven't introduced Sage in the comic yet is
Kinda annoying honestly
unique osprey
Ngl the fact that they haven't introduced Sage in the comic yet is
Kinda annoyin...
Evan said they’ll most likely introduce her after the next mainline game which
alriiiiight (I WANNA TEAR OUT MY SKULL)
unique osprey
the main obstacle rn is that they’ve started a Emerald hunting plot
3/7 emeralds have been found
urban scroll
Evan said they’ll most likely introduce her after the next mainline game which
If I don't see her in 2025, we raid
unique osprey
they need to find the other 4 and presumably have some kind of super sonic battle
steep sequoia
oh yeah you right they are suddenly hunting down the chaos emeralds
random portal
we still in prefrontiers
balmy fiber
Ngl the fact that they haven't introduced Sage in the comic yet is
Kinda annoyin...
It is pretty fucking dumb like, are these comics planned since 2022 or whatever
Its 2024
unique osprey
because if they don’t then it makes no sense why the emeralds are suddenly on Kronos when other characters have been using them for a while now
urban scroll
we still in prefrontiers
We're pre-TSR😭
unique osprey
It is pretty fucking dumb like, are these comics planned since 2022 or whatever
two factors
- long stories
- DELAAAYYYYS
random portal
We're pre-TSR😭
nah we def post tsr, vector had his car in 48
steep sequoia
actually yeah you right
We never really know why the chaos emeralds suddenly went to kronos
urban scroll
nah we def post tsr, vector had his car in 48
steep sequoia
So I guess that's what they are going to do
unique osprey
The emeralds go where they want to but they can’t just disappear suddenly
random portal
nah i think we do, sage summoned em to power up the starfall island's defenses iirc
unique osprey
also Evan holds the mindset that the comics shouldn’t be running ahead of the games so that plays into them too
open maple
We never really know why the chaos emeralds suddenly went to kronos
They just went there because that's what they wanted
steep sequoia
okay I should make it more clear
open maple
They played with the implication that the emeralds have a form of consciousness that the series has
unique osprey
nah i think we do, sage summoned em to power up the starfall island's defenses i...
that explanation never made sense to me how the fuck can she do that
urban scroll
It is pretty fucking dumb like, are these comics planned since 2022 or whatever
I mean, scheduling is the biggest bitch rn
I'm sure it's not their fault
But still
steep sequoia
I should say like, "when" this really happened
unique osprey
ALSO it conflicts with the prelude comic
steep sequoia
Because if that's what they are going to do then it does make a lot of sense over no sign of Sage yet
unique osprey
sonic, tails and amy go after eggman before he gets captured in cyberspace
steep sequoia
Where in some parts Sonic may notice something was off after going super
dire quiver
They played with the implication that the emeralds have a form of consciousness ...
Have they ever shown that in the games?
Or mentioned?
random portal
Have they ever shown that in the games?
rush adventure is the closest to mentioning it
saying how the emeralds wanted to be used to help sonic and tails get back to their dimension
open maple
Have they ever shown that in the games?
Adventure 1 kinda did too
After their negative energy was drained, they responded to everyone's positive feelings, regaining their power to help Sonic become super sonic
steep sequoia
Yeah the chaos emeralds tends to have that, but it's always been very rare
Barely anyone will notice it but instead will just assume Sonic must have done something
unique osprey
I figured the emeralds kinda willed themselves to the island before the sage explaination
dire quiver
Well, these emeralds are practically magic in Sonic's world, so it's not hard to accept that they are conscious.
unique osprey
imo it would make sense, if they’re sentient then they know about sonic and see him as a hero, and would most likely also think he’s capable of resolving the torment affecting the ancients in death
open maple
In superstars manga, sonic was going to be defeated and the emeralds, in response, manifested the clones power to defeat Eggman
steep sequoia
Yeah it's something I'd imagined the emeralds will do
dire quiver
Don't the emeralds also scatter on their own after Super Sonic is shot down?
random portal
Something about Northstar activates those powers so yeah
unique osprey
Don't the emeralds also scatter on their own after Super Sonic is shot down?
they scatter when rings run out
super gets shot down in frontiers, but each time the emeralds attach onto vaults
open maple
Don't the emeralds also scatter on their own after Super Sonic is shot down?
in sa2, Tails mentions that the emeralds work like magnets and try to find eachother
unique osprey
Something about Northstar activates those powers so yeah
would really like to know what that something was
dire quiver
super gets shot down in frontiers, but each time the emeralds attach onto vaults
That's what I mean.
They kind of... just go.
Because they want to?
open maple
Sonic no longer needs them so they just go whatever they want
steep sequoia
From my guess the chaos emeralds basically helps out Sonic when needed until the situation is solved
random portal
the 30th anniversary sonic channel stories, say that after use, the emeralds go into nature to charge back their power
which makes sense since the gaia temples kinda just insta charges them speeding up that process
steep sequoia
Makes me more curious whether SEGA is actually going to go further like actually seeing the chaos emeralds communicating with Sonic
dire quiver
Oh, I guess that the vaults would allow them to be safe and do that.
But still, I definitely can see how they are sentient.
open maple
Yeah. The vaults are to keep them safe and to feed cyberspace with energy
My theory is that they felt the end would be released and they went to trigger the defenses to keep it locked
steep sequoia
I will say it's very possible
considering with the flash back
And after what Sage founded out, decides to do the same thing too
open maple
Yeah.
Sonic, Tails and Amy come and the emeralds follow what Sonic wants because they know he can accomplish the miracles he believes he can create
hence they don't oppose to them being collected
At the end, they just do what they consider convenient given certain circumstances
steep sequoia
Helps that later on Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Eggman knows that he got this anyways
quaint mountain
IDW = industry plants
This is the stupidest comment I've ever read, what the hell does that even mean
open maple
According to the wikipedia, an industry plant is a musician who got wealth and recognition by nepotism
So I assume he means that IDW got to be canon by other means but not by it's own merits
quaint mountain
He meant characters in this case, but whatever.
open maple
I mean, it sort of applies to IDW as a Sonic media somewhat as well
quaint mountain
Also boo hoo, the comics are canon to the game, so what? If they add them into the games, they're more than likely just make a simple (re)introduction for people that don't know who they are in a way that people don't need to read the comics
azure trail
No faker line?
unique osprey
it's all dialogue from the last two movies
dire quiver
Was it not advertised to have some from the third one?
snow tangle
Sonic fans waiting for December. https://x.com/_er1c_13/status/1822690656847790494
Twitter
wind sparrow
Other way around at this point
snow tangle
I want it both ways, Because December is when things wind down, and work would close for 2 weeks til after New Years Day
unique osprey
people really want that trailer so theyre asking for it under a pat casey tweet responding to that pixar/ghilbi thing about audience satisfaction
unique osprey
itd be nice for me to actually confidentally say that
if i had like visual proof
maybe if i focus hard enough itll be september 20th and then i'll see the trailer for the first time
olive vortex
balmy fiber
Ok no
Can it
Lets not have the movie be bad just to make all of this waiting worthless
To have at impatient fans
balmy fiber
You should be fed to a horses
lone lantern
Twitter
About the same idealogy he said about sonic 2, so It's probably staying consistent going into movie 3.
snow tangle
https://x.com/Pat_Kc/status/1822744661364031688
He's right, Because Sonic 2 did deliver after all the wait for it, Surely Sonic 3 gonna be as amazing as ever.
steep sequoia
All I care is a buildup to Chaos 0 
The constant leaks just for waiting a trailer is wearing me out
glacial cliff
Twitter
I mean
I guess suddenly people want these again now because they stopped making them
Unfortunately
Unless they're outsourced I don't want Sega staff to be stuck making them
balmy fiber
This aint a rumor
azure trail
https://x.com/leecocker/status/1822752240278331394?t=Dp0NJ0UQZL-0YM-1YcZw4g&s=19
Nah, we're good
this game series was gonna end sooner or later anyways, the sales were going down after the first one
steep sequoia
It honestly reached that limit honestly
But really it's best to move on with the olympic games
glacial cliff
It went back up a lot with 2020
Even with covid
The problem was mainly the Wii U 💀
Cause 2008-2012 was a very steady decline
azure trail
They were fine but not as popular as the first 2 at least
dire quiver
Now it's time for the Wario & Shadow at the Olympic Games.
meager granite
Hope they do the next Mario & Sonic for PlayStation
lone lantern
So I planted myself into that telegram leaker thing
(if you aren't caught up. Bunch of Netflix stuff has leaked out from some hacker, that supposedly downloaded a bunch of content through their dubbing company or something)
And ofc, movie 3 was popped up as one of the potential things.
Now tell me.
Haven't we seen this before?
lone lantern
Because they dropped this like it was new, from "Le source" lmao
So as I thought, ain't shit happening thus far or will come to happen in terms of some "BIG LEAK" lol
unique osprey
I spotted this a bit ago
This isn’t as funny as a full blown work print leak so im upset 😠
it’s IS funny because it means at this point we’ve only seen one actually new official still, that movie shadow render
lone lantern
Because they dropped this like it was new, from "Le source" lmao
Outside of this other thing they're saying that has "unused sonic 2 things and sonic 3 things"
But like..
C'mon fam.
azure trail
long time ago yes
lone lantern
Who was the person that showed this to us initially?
Was it the person that was very adamant about Amy or something along those lines
dire quiver
it’s IS funny because it means at this point we’ve only seen one actually new of...
One actually new official leak?
glacial cliff
Haven't we seen this before?
This was posted by some random twitter account that also decided to throw in fake leaks like a Lil' Nas song and it's lyrics that would be featured in the movie
snow tangle
Around the time Sonic 3 is coming out, We can expect those videos of the characters being interviewed, Which means Shadow will get interviewed also, So that's gonna be interesting how he's portrayed.
glacial cliff
They were also pretending to be a grandma
dire quiver
I mean when the first figure leaks happened
Oh, okay.
lone lantern
I honestly just need the trailer so that I can overlay it with a linkin park track, to scratch my 2000's itch
wraith mica
real
snow tangle
The trailer will probably have a classic song over it, and some of the stock trailer music
Sometimes in the trailers, you hear music heard in other trailers, and I don't mean the classic music, But that stock trailer music, that you start to recognize when they use it again elsewhere
vestal sage
These just seem to be from regular press portals, don't have access to these specific ones but I do for some others and they're structured similarly.
balmy fiber
Oh boy
lone lantern
https://x.com/sazelwells/status/1822682917392261184?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXc...
Pointed out the flaws on why this probably ain't worth a damn in a whole sphill.
Twitter
Also there's the factor that everything that has leaked has been streaming oriented.
snow tangle
It could be legit, Who knows, but 2 seconds of Coyote vs ACME footage got leaked
lone lantern
The only paramount thing that have gotten relatively leaked are the plankton movie (though, once again streaming because of the Netflix partnership)
Then there was the first episode of tales of the tmnt that got leaked..the night prior of the actual premiere, so..
glacial cliff
Lol
16 year old on twitter
When have they ever said anything that's real when it comes to leaks
💀
Just kids being kids
Also
Twitter
That 1 hour is 8 hours now
wise turret
If the film truly got leaked I can guarantee you somehow Amy and Rouge fans will either be happy or pissed over the fate of the characters they rep
Especially Amy fans
unique osprey
“ooo it’s coming it’s gonna leak soon guys get ready” JUST LEAK THE MOVIE
istg why do fake leakers always rely on false anticipation to build int—nevermind I answered my own question
snow tangle
Its just trolls playing with the emotions of Sonic fans
lost plume
Saw the rough cut
Yea this is absolute ass I have no clue what they were thinking with this
warm basin
oh did they leak movie already
torn scarab
idk
just yesterday 3’s trailer was trending on yt
people are going batshit insane for it😭
lone lantern
oh did they leak movie already
No
azure trail
oh did they leak movie already
No, it was a joke 😭
warm basin
lmao
vestal sage
Haven't we seen this before?
I forgot I have this image, it's literally the same place.
This was sent to me months ago. (Cropped the top part for privacy reasons).
left umbra
If we don’t get a trailer by the end of August, some of the movie fanbase is gonna go rabid
They’ll fall for anything at this point
wind sparrow
RPK said August but you know he ain’t reliable
boreal canyon
It’s coming in September, not August
balmy fiber
And he will continue to be labled as reliable chz people will jist praise anyone who guesses stuff right
wind sparrow
No he is a good guesser
Uh huh
boreal canyon
September 4th
snow tangle
They are gonna show Knuckles on Nickelodeon monday through friday starting tonight, possibility for a trailer, probably unlikely.
left umbra
September 4th
that’s a Wednesday
snow tangle
They'll use Transformers One for the new trailer, Because its the same demographic.
boreal canyon
that’s a Wednesday
Yeah, i knew that before i said it
Is Wednesday a cursed day or something
snow tangle
Nickelodeon has been showing both of the Sonic movies today, Right now they are showing 2.
left umbra
Is Wednesday a cursed day or something
Paramount doesn’t generally release trailers on Wednesdays TMK
snow tangle
usually a thursday
snow tangle
not just paramount, but other studios releasing trailers on thursdays
boreal canyon
Wdym usually
I just repeated what guru said
boreal canyon
https://fixupx.com/sonicas0/status/1823100006309507424?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-Xv...
Is this an official figure?
ripe cypress
Yeah
boreal canyon
Alright
ripe cypress
The articulation was a big discussion point for the leaked toys earlier, and it's on full display here
Twitter
wind sparrow
The box art still bugs me
Cause that’s literally the post credit scene on a Movie 3 box
ripe cypress
They won't even let their boxart use Sonic Movie 3 stuff 
balmy fiber
What do you mab
quaint mountain
mab
ripe cypress
balmy fiber
Mab
ripe cypress
balmy fiber
Mean
ripe cypress
Wide eyed and vulnurable? 🥺