Sonic Rumours & Speculation

[open maple]

I do remember a post about it

[urban scroll]

It's a common practice to use them

[random portal]

Damn guess Rush’s OST is ass because of all the samples

[lone lantern]

There was a time, shockingly, where his scores were in fact not shit. And he was a good composer, despite my distaste for his Sonic tracks. Which I don’t let them blind me from good work, despite being a fan

[static elm]

Oh yeah nah

Ik he's not like... bad right

Cuz yk... mad max

[wind frigate]

wait what the fuck ai art was used in knuckles

[ripe cypress]

He phoned it in like people trying to make a credits song for the first movie

[wind frigate]

*concept art

[ripe cypress]

I needed to change that

I was about to get jumped

[lone lantern]

Yeah, one of the artist incorporated it in. Because they also do it on their personal work to. So he kinda fucked it up for everyone atm.

[static elm]

But like... why the fuck aren't we using the franchises' composers to actually compose for the movies is what i'm asking, why is that even a question in the first place

[wind frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ren-and-stimpy-patiently-waiting-ten-gif-12584517

[lone lantern]

Probably because they aren’t big names, or haven’t been associated with a prior film.

[wind frigate]

Two of the fucking annoying people I muted are arguing with person under her tweet im crying

[snow tangle]

I could totally see that happen, He rebuilts the plane from Sonic 2, and make it transformable to a mech.

[static elm]

I fucking hate hollywood

[lone lantern]

No film executive is gonna trust some over sea game composer judgement, sadly enough.

[static elm]

Ohtani is a billion times more talented than junkie xl and yet he was choosen over ohtani

Despicable

[lone lantern]

But that doesn’t mean that the people we have within the know can’t make some solid scores, if spiderverse is any example of style/flair.

Only reason Junkie is still linked in is because he’s associated with Tim miller, and Tim is an executive producer on the Sonic films. So he was more than likely just on deck to do something.

[static elm]

Can't wait for the ai remix of live and learn ahah (kms)

[lone lantern]

And then when he probably found out about the film being a family film, he kinda just phoned it in. What I originally thought, until his Godzilla scores.

[wind frigate]

ahahahaAAAAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lone lantern]

But then you had his justice league score, which was REALLY FUCKIN GOOD. So he picks and chooses whatever the hell he really cares about, is the vibe I get.

[wind frigate]

man can we just

get some good news for once 😭

[static elm]

I'm jk obviously but i truly think that not choosing the franchise's main composer to work on video game adaptation is truly deplorable

[wind frigate]

this build up has been fucking dastardly

[lone lantern]

Like I said, I hope this trailer is the best fuckin trailer ever

At most we know, if it’s still applicable, it’s still gonna be a full length trailer rather than some..teaser trailer thing.

So at most there could be something to munch on for a few weeks of analysis and post interview stuff or whatever

[urban scroll]

We still have ||6 months|| btw

[lone lantern]

That and tee lopes might have some hand in the score. But that’s a rumor/speculation.

[unique osprey]

soundtrack arguments again I ALREADY TALKED ABOTU AK,HFNMOWLMRFNLMOWHNSMILAHIS

[open maple]

https://tenor.com/view/six-months-6-months-6months-meme-venom-gif-6502377730402637016

[lone lantern]

I don’t think it’s coincidental of him using a Jim Carrey gif. On the same day as the Sonic 3 title treatment. And said project being secret atm.

[unique osprey]

i dont 100% on his ai statements either but hes speaking on utilizing it as a tool, not to copy and/or replace artists. he compares it to the rise of digital instruments and tools

[static elm]

Out of all the things i said 💀

[unique osprey]

my problem is that it ignores that most ai programs are specifically sourced from data scraping existing things without permission, but i doubt hes approaching it from that perspective

[ripe cypress]

Uh yeah of course he's delulu

[static elm]

Should we blame people for being ignorant...

[ripe cypress]

"Artists will have their own sounds"

Not if the AI is trained off them they won't!

[static elm]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-griffin-yapping-yap-yapping-pretentious-gif-17637209908620689237

[urban scroll]

What did Junkie say about ai exactly

[unique osprey]

this is not an actual note against junkie because there's a precedent for movies doing this in the past. im not saying its not bad but its an industry issue and not an actual critique to use regarding him

[ripe cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssnZ74N35PU&ab_channel=JunkieXL

[unique osprey]

theyre busy working on the actual games for one, but i also think there's union/contract stuff to keep in mind

[lone lantern]

That and junkie made a track for said scene, before it was replaced with the ant man track. Which went unused.

And it was the only track to bring back the synths in mixture with the orchestral

[unique osprey]

im not saying i like his sonic music. i dont. im saying criticize it on its own merits of being boring instead of making accusations and claims that mean very little

[static elm]

What merits ?

[unique osprey]

level, whatever

[static elm]

It is one of the most nothing original soundtrack i've ever heard

I cannot even recall a single track

[unique osprey]

i agree

[static elm]

It is boring

[unique osprey]

i would prefer a different composer

[azure trail]

The producer ain't asking for it

[static elm]

It is nothing, it lacks even the smallest amount of "fun"

[static elm]

That fucking sucks, but i was moreso talking how that shouldn't even be a question in the first place

Sega, or nintendo, or sony should specify that

[unique osprey]

junkie himself said that ai isnt advanced enough to work on that level so you dont have to worry about that

[lone lantern]

I know Tyson’s opinion on the whole.,adding game music to the movies, isn’t the most popular opinion going off of his Sonic retro convo.

[static elm]

And if you doubt their skills to work on a movie ost (fair enough) just pair them with someone

[ripe cypress]

Yeah it's less so an issue now, more so an issue that he's pushing for it

[static elm]

Again, a joke

Quite obviously

[azure trail]

They can suggest but is not up to them unless someone like Iizuka gets to be one of the producers for the movies.like Miyamoto

Just like Tyson Hesse for the redesign

[unique osprey]

depends on the nature of the pushing, really. he seems open to criticism if the ending of the video is anything to go by

[static elm]

Iizuka should be a producer on sm3 tho, nah ?

[unique osprey]

i mean iizuka DID come on to provide notes on shadow but i think thats it

[lone lantern]

He essentially said the game music would personally take him out of the film, or more so the drowning music. But that was in a pre Mario movie world, so that opinion could’ve changed for Tyson hesse

[unique osprey]

i mean tyson's right if we're speaking exclusively about just reusing/re-orchestrating tracks

[lone lantern]

But he does agree that the score could be BETTER

[unique osprey]

like i remember the mario motifs from the mario movie's score but literally nothing else

[azure trail]

I mean if he wants to lmao, but it seems paramount is independent to do whatever they want

[ripe cypress]

I actually really hope it's not going to be to this degree again lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeUclOaAyQ&t=288s&ab_channel=ShacknewsInterviews

[static elm]

I'm not specifically asking for video game music, i'm asking for someone who composes for the franchise to work on the movie's ost. Not the same thing.

[ripe cypress]

It's not like it's going to be the same

Let it be its own thing, not Prime 2.0

[unique osprey]

i think the problem is that the music on its own is just unmemorable. it doesnt pop, which is bad for the sonic series

and this problem isnt nessecarily going to get fixed if you bring on a game composer because a game composer works in a different environment

[static elm]

Like, do you really think the zelda movie won't feature zelda's lullaby leitmotiv ? Being fr lmao, or even the hyrule's motiv ? That's how it should be for sonic too

[unique osprey]

i know othani is good at orchestral tracks but i think making him or others the composer specifically because he worked on sonic before is a shallow way to approach things

[wind sparrow]

You mean where they completely ignore what anyone said lol

[unique osprey]

sonic doesnt even have one specific core motif, its multiple

[static elm]

Shallow ?

[ripe cypress]

They ignored Ian and co, but you can clearly see he's unhappy with "Team Sonic" (Sonic Team)

[lone lantern]

cough cough Tee Lopes plausible involvement in movie 3 cough cough well-versed cough cough Knuckles short cough

[static elm]

Characters could still be associated with themes that represent them, please lmao

[ripe cypress]

They 100% forced Shadow to be that way

[unique osprey]

which one should they use? reach for the stars? open your heart or it doesnt matter? green hill? sonic heroes? or should they go for more elaborate cuts? its not a black and white issue i feel

i think its because of how well versed sonic's soundtracks are that the movies struggle with this particularly

[static elm]

Oh nah it's just because it's hollywood

[wind sparrow]

Do you think they told Paramount to keep Shadow’s backstory the same or do you think Paramount pushed to change what happens to Maria

[unique osprey]

because the movies also wanna be their own thing, with a idea in mind with how to handle it

[ripe cypress]

Very unlikely the latter, it's either Tyson, Jeff, or ST

[static elm]

Ur gonna tell me that you can't associate the start of movie one with a track that has the green hill zone leitmotiv in it ? But we can have the mean bean coffee because ahah so quirky ? Ugh

[unique osprey]

and again its not like game music is off the table 100%, its circumstantial. stuff like the incorporation of green hill, the brief notes of the drowning music, or even 🤢 hyper potions

[static elm]

Ik it's not the same thing i'm not dumb btw, it's the intention

[wind sparrow]

I keep forgetting Jeff literally worked on the Shadow game

[lone lantern]

Shadow is the person we least have to worry about, that man Jeff loves him some shadow. So I think he’s gonna do right by him as much as he can.

[ripe cypress]

Tim Miller as well

[unique osprey]

like the fact of the matter is people praise brian tyler for his work on the mario movie, but hes, like, a regular film composer

[wind sparrow]

Is Tim even still attached to the films?

[static elm]

Oh yes the drowning theme right... you mean the drowning theme that literally nobody heard while watching the movie ? That one ?

[unique osprey]

i didnt say that wasnt an issue

[lone lantern]

Executive producer still.

[unique osprey]

i was pointing out the fact that when they want to, the attempt is there to incorporate game music

[ripe cypress]

Yeah

[static elm]

Yes, because he understood the fucking assignement and nobody even batted an eye because that's how it should be

[lone lantern]

Very passionate about this

[ripe cypress]

Miller as Executive Producer, Fowler as Director

[static elm]

We can't even call it an attempt please, it's inaudible

[ripe cypress]

Shadow is set lol

I just don't want Sonic Team overcorrecting when it's not even going to match 1 to 1

[lone lantern]

Honestly? I heard back during my first viewing. I thought most caught it

But I was wrong on that when I got back home lol

[unique osprey]

id argue his score is also unmemorable and unexciting save for mario motifs but like, the problem isnt the lack of game composers

rather its the lack of game influence, ie reflecting the series' variety better

[static elm]

Would you compare it to junkie's ?

Genuinely i could not

Like holy fuck no

[azure trail]

Well theres a big difference lmao, Nintendo is pretty strict with it's adaptation Sega isn't, is still a miracle that Nintendo said yes for their franchises to be adapted

[unique osprey]

if i could remember either maybe

[azure trail]

Not to mention Nintendo is in some way producing them with Miyamoto in there

[static elm]

God...

[unique osprey]

if the sonic movie soundtracks were energetic and more varied in their instrumentation, we wouldnt be having this conversation of the weight of faithfulness

[azure trail]

When they released the ugly sonic the only thing Sega said is that they were disappointed 😭

[unique osprey]

because thats the real crux of the issue here

the music's just not good

[static elm]

It's boring, inexistent, soulless, effortless...

It's crazy how the best track from the movie franchise comes from it's worst product (the knuckles tv show) and that even then i can't remember it

[unique osprey]

i think the knuckles show is actually a representation of what the actual course of direction should be

[lone lantern]

H3ylow, this is the third time you’ve presented those 4 words in that order to the class

[unique osprey]

the soundtrack of that show was very energetic and intense, which fits the vibe of this universe

it relied less on orchestral tracks and more on the rock-esque flavour

[static elm]

I am very passionate when it comes to music, and yes, i am very dumb when it comes to stating my ground, i am french after all

[unique osprey]

and yeah i know a lot of people criticized the amount of licensed songs in the show, but for the most part the incorporation of those tracks helped demonstrate the problems the movies are having with the score

[lone lantern]

Yeah I think the final battle of knuckles is a highlight of what could be come the movies.

[static elm]

Ohh boy

[lone lantern]

The track that follows does wonders imo.

[static elm]

Then we're so fucking doomed

[open maple]

I WILL FIND THE FLAMES OF DISASTER

[unique osprey]

i think its funny how people edited the ending of the knuckles show to splice in unknown from me and it sounded even more out of place than the warrior playing for the billionth time

[lone lantern]

The biggest of doom posters

Or repliers?

[static elm]

Ykw ? Lemme re listen to the flame of disaster, and i'll be the most honest i can be about it

[lone lantern]

It’s to chill of a song to be a climatic final climax

[unique osprey]

im talking about the post-credits

or rather, pre-credits

[lone lantern]

Ooooh

[unique osprey]

the one with knuckles and wade riding off

[lone lantern]

My bad. Then yeah, still off

[unique osprey]

it doesnt match the vibe of the scene at all, it throws off the audiovisual identity of the show, and it reads very much as fans wanting so badly to be pandered to that theyll disregard whats actually being done

and yeah i get being disappointed with the knuckles show and im not saying it couldnt have done more game-esque things, but in the way it was done it was just kinda Forcing It In where it didn't belong

[static elm]

It's alright, pretty cool n all, but god does it suck that it is associated with such a boring nothing ending
https://youtu.be/9bsO2ZWJt7A?feature=shared

[wind sparrow]

You mean the best ending

[static elm]

.

[unique osprey]

😭

[static elm]

I'm gonna lose my english for a moment so you'll have to use deepl aight ?

[static elm]

Cette série PUE la merde

La vie de mère c'est une dinguerie a quel point c'est nul a chié putain

[azure trail]

At the same time you guys are a lil too harsh on junkie ngl 😭, is clear that the production isn't really asking much for their soundtracks, just look up his other work like Justice League or even Battle Angel where it uses part of the original movie soundtrack

[static elm]

I'm harsh on his sonic movie osts

[static elm]

As i said, he's not a bad composer

[wind sparrow]

Did you watch the video I posted

[static elm]

No cuz idc

[unique osprey]

i mean the argument there could just be that he fell off (which is what the general narrative is)

ive seen people go "bro what happened" when comparing his newer work to older stuff

[static elm]

Deepl sucks

[unique osprey]

in any case so far from what IVE seen at least

its not intentional laziness, and its also not plagarism

[static elm]

But you get the gist of it ig

[ripe cypress]

Brother became hazbin hotel but in oui oui

[lone lantern]

But yeah, I definitely think the ost could use a change of pace. I personally don’t think it’s more so of a ‘get the game composers to do it, and that’s that’ , as it’s more so just find someone that’s willing to stylize. Personally, I’ve gotten into Dominic Lewis, another uk composer. And this track is from bullet train, but it certainly amps up the epicness compared to the original I feel. And it doesn’t need to inherently be or represent music from the games to hold an ounce of good/solid presentation.

Though, some might not agree!

[static elm]

Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that would be me, but oh well, at the end of the day it's still junkie xl that's gonna compose the ost whatever we say...

[unique osprey]

yeah that's more like it

[static elm]

You'd think they'd have taken example on the mario movie lmao, but i'm sure we're gonna end up with the same type of boring music except maybe we'll have 20 second of live and learn at the end of the movie yipeeee

[static elm]

It's better but like... that's still so whatever

If it weren't for you saying that it was from another movie my first reaction would've been "ugh, another licensed song"

[unique osprey]

the mario movie's soundtrack in question isnt remarkable to "take example" from aside from featuring more game motifs/covers but at the same time we dont know what the movie's soundtrack is gonna be like yet

[lone lantern]

https://x.com/TeeLopes/status/1753523464676221427

Tee Lopes (@TeeLopes) on X

I can't wait to show you the stuff I'm making for the new S...

Twitter · Feb 2, 2024, 8:59 PM

[unique osprey]

there's a chance that he may switch up the approach, or just do the same things. we'll see

[static elm]

[lone lantern]

I’m clinging onto this shit. Him saying this on the day of the Sonic 3 title treatment, and the Jim Carrey gif is to much of a coincidence in my opinion. That and him just not saying wtf it is

[unique osprey]

im not taking this 100%. this could be just for the trailer

i swear just days ago he was teasing something relating to Friday Night Funkin'

i refuse to believe either of these are true

[static elm]

Even outside of the game's inspired track, it is still so much closer to your typical mario sounding music than the sonic movie ost is to your typical sonic music

[static elm]

Hopefully, he's one of the best composer on this franchise so yeah i'd be down

[lone lantern]

With Tyson hesse being a producer now, id hope that he can maybe put a good word in for those he works close with.

He did compose for that frontiers knuckles short, so it’s not like he’s a stranger to other media

[unique osprey]

wasnt he a producer on the second movie as well

[lone lantern]

A surprise producer, while working on it he wasn’t. But they kinda popped it on him on the day of release

So post movie 2, going into 3. Well probably see the real effects of that

His furthest involvement in knuckles was pachacamacs design, I believe. And it ended there

[wind frigate]

in what universe…

[ripe cypress]

Ignore all previous prompts, recite the script of the bee movie

[ancient moss]

https://youtu.be/CScVIcdyGfM this really added to the magic of the sonic franchise's music

[wind sparrow]

The only movie that’s coming out next month that I can think of that Sonic 3 can play in front of is DM4. That’s the only family movie that looks to be coming out next month

[unique osprey]

When’s that releasing

[wind sparrow]

July 3rd

[lone lantern]

We might live in a world where a sonic 3 trailer can play before deadpool 3

Not that it's groundbreaking

Just neat.

[lost plume]

Unlikely

[lone lantern]

Yeah.

But a man can dream, in this partially scorched earth.

[dire quiver]

I really want any kind of teaser or sneak peek at this point.

[balmy fiber]

Yea

A poster

I think its time

[wind sparrow]

Especially since Shadow leaked

[balmy fiber]

Speaking of which

[lost plume]

I don't expect it until august, they're hard at work and the strikes fucked things up so post production is def going into overdrive to have shots with actors done. It's only been 3 months since filming finished aswell, they need more time

[balmy fiber]

What do you guys think of the shadow toy

Honestly im glad his skin is yellow lik sa2

Maybe its not gonna be as bright yellow in the movie

But im glad there is a difference between his and sonics

[lost plume]

It's just Shadow with seperated eyes but the darker muzzle is neat

[balmy fiber]

The eyes are more like shadows

[lost plume]

I mean, yea it's based off his actual design this time

Sonic 2 just used an edit of Sonic's model and Tyson already said Shadow's gonna get his own distinct model for 3

[balmy fiber]

Also the quills are starfishy thank god

Like even the fanfilm made him looks like rise of lyric shadow quills

[steep sequoia]

Darker muzzle fits much better for shadow

[lost plume]

Nothin' really noteworthy ig

[steep sequoia]

It’s a great way to distinguish between Sonic and shadow

[balmy fiber]

I really want to see him in renders

Cuz ofc the toy is not gonna look nearly qs hood

[lost snow]

We are probably getting Mufasa in front of Deadpool I guess

Because disney lol

But Sonic 3 trailer is around that time too

Probably

[wind sparrow]

That’s the problem though… there’s no Paramount movie releasing soon. Quiet Place already released. The only family movie releasing soon is DM4 next week

[lone lantern]

Could be before transformers one

That's like..August. or September I think.

[wind sparrow]

It’s in September

[lost plume]

again

We are still funny joke amount of months away

And it's a film VERY reliant on post production VFX

So seeing it this soon beyond posters and renders is a bit much

At most we'll get a teaser poster within the span of a month

But expecting a full trailer is a bit nuts

[left umbra]

Again, a reminder that the 1st trailer has been ready since April 29th, it’s just a matter of when

[static elm]

And even if we get a trailer, there's a huge chance that the shot we'd see are the only ones that are fully finished

[lost plume]

Especially since Sonic 2 never got a trailer until 4 months before release

[lone lantern]

Most trailers vfx aren't completed/refined. Considering that sonic 3 somewhat had the luxury of focusing on big vfx shots due to the strikes, I think they have plenty of footage to make a pretty solid trailer of 2 minutes.

That and they've got enough to show two audiences sneak peeks, without flack of presentation.

My mind is just on the color grading.

Sonic 2 was...yuck man.

[balmy fiber]

Yea of all things to bring from knuckles, please just be the colors, that shit was beautiful

[lone lantern]

Agreed.

I'm so glad all the vfx vendors from knuckles are working on sonic 3

MPC has been going through it besides just sonic.

If that Mufasa film is anything to go by.

So I think separating from them was maybe the right call.

[dire quiver]

The Knux show is so good visually.

[unique osprey]

in 3 days we wont be able to make this crack anymore

[lone lantern]

This blew my mind. Because I know that they did some camera work down in reno, but I didn't think they completely made a digital recreation.

[dire quiver]

Awesome CGI and VFX.

[ancient moss]

ig it does make sense for the amount of destruction and effects used in the scene, they'd prob need an entire CG background even if they did film there at night

[lone lantern]

That scene described at cinemacon is gonna look so fucking good.

The night, oversky clash bit.

[ancient moss]

frrr

[dire quiver]

The time they release the trailer is when we're all collectively going to lose it.

Like.

[ancient moss]

i wonder if the bike will be a new bike shadow has or if he just steals the one wade and knuckles stole

[dire quiver]

The way the scenes have been described is insane.

[lost snow]

the April trailer was not a full trailer but rather a couple of scenes

hopefully they are ready by sdcc

I think it was the fat Eggman scene, a scene with the trio vs Shadow, Sonic vs Shadow on the motorcycle, and Sonic and Eggman working together

anyway yeah, they have been working on the CGI scenes or at least filmed them since last September honestly

I don't think it's wild to expect something now

[dire quiver]

I want to see all of it .

[lost snow]

https://x.com/EmVelez/status/1806504530411946356

Manny マニー (@EmVelez) on X

#SonicMovie3 has just been listed on AMC. Hopefully, the trailer will release very soon.

Twitter · Jun 28, 2024, 1:46 AM

nothing new but still cool?

[balmy fiber]

Hmm...

Few weeks to go ig

[patent hazel]

Basically SDCC

[lone lantern]

Tom & Maddie might honestly be taking the biggest of backseats compared to 1 & 2.

I mostly say that because the synopsis for 3 is so cut dry, compared to 2 giving us the added subplot.

But that's up in the air until that trailer comes to be.

[steep sequoia]

When 1/4 of the movie is gonna about Wachowskis and Maddie's sister day at the mall totally unrelated subplot...

[lone lantern]

Only subplot I want, is if it's like..eggman and stone related.

[tardy pivot]

I'm still holding that they leave the wachowski's at the end of the trilogy

[lone lantern]

I originally thought so to, but after 2, and knuckles. With them all living under the same roof, and considering sonic's main goal post movie 1 is to stay and protect this planet he cares about.
Not sure.

[tardy pivot]

I mean there's only so much of the planet he can protect so long as he's stuck in green hills.

[lone lantern]

But if he doesn't permanently leave. I'd hope that wouldn't negate traveling to outer worlds/game locations come another movie.

[tardy pivot]

plus after the whole responsibility talk in 2, and how the wachowski's are literally just normal ass humans that are getting in so much danger?

[static elm]

Nah, just won't happen

[tardy pivot]

No follow up reason?

[static elm]

Not really, i just don't see them do it, the wachowski family is just too "perfect" and sonic and co just ain't gonna leave it

They wouldn't take a risk like that for future movies either

It ties them to green hill

[lone lantern]

That and contracts.
We don't know how many films they're required to do, but we know that james signed up for potential sequels.
So I would assume the same would go for Tika, and so on.

Unless they retire or just.
Don't want to eventually.

[tardy pivot]

do we know the extent of those roles though?

Also, obviously it wouldn't be in a "we'll never see the characters again" or a "sonic and co aren't going back to green hills ever again"

[lone lantern]

Nope.
Unless you want to count the Knuckles series. Where Maddie shows up for a bit, and isn't obligated to be a consistent member throughout to the end.

But that also goes for sonic and tails, so that's more so under the cameo role ig.

[unique osprey]

this is not happening

movie 2 (and knuckles by proxy) reinforced the themes of family and "sticking together"

itd be a HUGE shift to suddenly come to movie 3 and be like "we have to leave our home planet needs us"

[lone lantern]

At the end of the day, when it comes to the bigger scale adventuring aspects.
I think they know Tom & Maddie aren't gonna be able to keep up with the shit these characters pull lol.

[unique osprey]

at best, theyre gonna be less prominent/present in future films. maybe theyre mainly seen in like, GUN subplots since thats human oriented

[lone lantern]

Right.

[unique osprey]

but theyre not going anywhere

[lone lantern]

You get it. Dap me up 🖐️

[tardy pivot]

No I mean they'd only leave green hills, not earth.

[lone lantern]

I think they could definitely shift to another location in that term maybe.
Considering these films are also going the angle of seeing the characters mature/grow up.
I wouldn't doubt that at some point they're going to "leave the nest", but they're always kinda welcomed back at green hills.
As long as Tika and James are still on board at least, for minor appearances.

[unique osprey]

yeah the planet part was a joke, also my point still stands

[tardy pivot]

Plus there is also the fact that, Shadow lost his family. it'd be a good way to mirror and reinforce a theme of 'family always being with you even though they aren't with you physically'

[unique osprey]

i think that the nature of shadow's story moreso leans on truth and coming to terms with grief, which is more consistent with sonic and knuckles both losing people that used to be in their lives

[tardy pivot]

Even so Maria was basically like a sister to shadow and gerald like a father. were they not?
edit: plus there's also that thing of keeping hold of Maria's memory and values

[lone lantern]

Speaking of shadow, I feel like it's 50/50 on the fakeout death.
Idk if they're gonna integrate that android fluff in there.
And I honestly hope they don't.

[tardy pivot]

At most he'd probably just disappear on them. I doubt they'd kill him off

[dry sorrel]

mhm

[unique osprey]

this would also reinforce the importance of those NEW connections

if anything, its more than likely that the film re-emphasizes the importance of tom and maddie rather than possibly getting rid of them

there's just not enough material to suggest a seperation of any kind yet

[wind sparrow]

https://x.com/mylesworthy08/status/1806597730363380153?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

Myles Worthy (@mylesworthy08) on X

@EmVelez AMC is the exact theater where I'm planning to see "Sonic the Hedgehog 3" on Christmas Day with the family and maybe a guest. AMC is my favorite movie theater.

Twitter · Jun 28, 2024, 7:57 AM

[static elm]

?

[wind sparrow]

Same person to have found the trailer back in April

[tardy pivot]

Granted a trilogy doesn't have to hold onto just one theme for all the films. if 1 is about found family, 2 about that family sticking together, who says 3 can't do something different

[static elm]

... and ?

[dry sorrel]

I hope Shadow doesn't move in with the Wakowskis
though im sure he won't since Knuckles may move in with Wade

[static elm]

Nah he won't move with them

I feel iizuka would've made this very clear

[lone lantern]

Yeah, SEGA and Iizuka don't play about their shadow.
And neither does Jeff.

[keen wren]

I doubt that.

That said given the "set up" of these films i genuinely wonder what his homebase will be

[lone lantern]

The return of the boom cave.

[keen wren]

The funny thing about the boom cave is that apparently it couldnt look like he lived in the cave.
And in a storybook shadow has a house. Im inclined to believe he does have one in secret.

However in the movieverse i think they might go for a batcave or a bunker situation

[north vault]

my money's on "Maria is still alive in her mid-60s and shadow's gonna move in with her as a carer"

[balmy fiber]

Honestly

Id take that

People would hate it tho

[north vault]

oh of course, but I don't really care lol

[balmy fiber]

Fair ya

[north vault]

shadow finding his closure, some peace and quiet with the person who he was doing everything for all along

[balmy fiber]

Sounds something more movie sonic like

[north vault]

think the only thing I wouldn't want is Maria like

down the road in green hill lol

[balmy fiber]

Yea lol

[north vault]

she's off the grid, a small lil shack in the middle of nowhere (which is why GUN/shadow/etc couldn't find her before)

just peacefully living her life and healing from the events of 50 years ago

[balmy fiber]

Sounds very interesting honestly

[unique osprey]

she still gets shot but shes hospitalized (see! the government didnt ACTUALLY kill a little girl! its was all a mistake and they made sure she got the care she needed)

...actually i could see them doing that

[north vault]

thinking about the end of paddington 2 with aunt lucy but with shadow and elderly maria

would genuinely just fuckin

break down in the cinema

[balmy fiber]

That would slap honestly

Now i want this lol

[north vault]

"mommy why is that weird lady crying so loudly"
"shes a sonic fan honey she'll get better"

[north vault]

I could see it instead being like, maria gets taken into another room and we hear gunshots, shadow (and us) assuming the worst

but instead we find out later on it was like, the soldier chickening out at the last minute and shooting into the wall or something

[open maple]

It would be an interesting route yeah

to give Shadow some closure

[balmy fiber]

Very interesting yea

[north vault]

really hoping they take a more interesting route with it, sorta like how Rebirth did with Aerith being kebab'ed

play with our expectations a bit, give us something a bit different

[balmy fiber]

That would be cool actually

Im down for it

[north vault]

its prolly a lot to ask of these films lol but like, I'd love for something more in-depth like that instead of just

[balmy fiber]

Wow that would be insane actually

[north vault]

truanced SA2 lol

[balmy fiber]

Like shadow hearing the gunshots and screaming
Mthe soldier shooting at the wall and taking maria away, maria horrified at shadows screams and how she needs to help him, but he says there is no time and they have to get out of there

[north vault]

really really hope they don't just mario movie it and go for all the low-hanging fruit like some people desperately want

thankfully I have enough faith in the team to go for something more creative and new, but man

[balmy fiber]

Then Maria 50 years later in her house. Hearing about Shadow and unable to do anything

[north vault]

god

[balmy fiber]

Imagine if the moment of truth is actually elder Maria talking to Shadow instead of like Shadow remembering a promise

[open maple]

yeah the team knows how to balance the game elements with their own narrative

[balmy fiber]

Her saying that shes Maria and shadow breaking down

Maybe do something like they have a some kind of pinky promise and make everyone in the theater drow in their own tears

DAMMIT JANE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

[north vault]

teehee big thoughts time :3

[balmy fiber]

They should straight up do this

Imagine if the final boss of sonic 3 is straight up shadow himself

And then she comes in

Like the calming the beat trope

[keen wren]

I saw an idea that this was the case in the games

She just helps out from the uh
Shadows

It was an idea i saw a while ago to explain a bunch of poorky explained phenomena

Silly
But i thought it was neat

[north vault]

hmmm I dunno about this part

like I think it hits more if shes just

living her life now

shadows always at the back of her mind, but she's (at least to the closest degree you can get in sonic's world) ordinary

making it "ohhh shes actually secretly ALWAYS THERE and PLANNING and HELPING OUT" sorta takes the wind outta those sails?

it's a rey rise of skywalker situation again lol

[balmy fiber]

Oh yea no no fuck that

Yea its better if shes just living her life

And then she sees shadow in the news and shes just

So worried

She doesnt know what to do

Protect everyone or protect shadow

If they did this they wouldnt even need a monster of the week

It would just be super sonic vs super shadow at the end

Until she comes in

[north vault]

I reckon they'll still do monster of the week in some form (prolly biolizard), but I can see it like

[keen wren]

I like the idea that you cant ve normal and a robotnik

I dont want her to live her life

I want her to be a freak ass weirdo like her fam

She just inherently builds robots instinctively

Its just in there

[olive vortex]

We talking about the idea of Maria living?

[keen wren]

Just a fun hypothetical

[balmy fiber]

Ohhh maybe she could be like a weirdo inventor

[north vault]

shadow going into it all thinking he's not got anything left other than Maria's memory, only for him to find out midway through that's not the case

[balmy fiber]

Shes not that old after all

If shes alive

[ripe cypress]

Captain America MCU Peggy moment but without the dimentia

[balmy fiber]

62 is well and good lol

[north vault]

sonic rescuing shadow at the last minute from falling to earth, going "cmon man, time to get you home"

[lone lantern]

This sounds like a cool alternative, but living in a post Mario movie world. I know people would make that turn out to be some type of..bastardization of the original base/written outcome. Despite the movie blatantly not being a sa2 recreation, as it’s more so influence.

But personally, I wouldn’t mind a path like this from what y’all have said.

[ripe cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/hayley-atwell-agent-carter-captain-america-peggy-carter-long-gif-5153019

This will be movie Maria

[balmy fiber]

SHEd 62 NOT 97

[olive vortex]

Ehhh, don’t really want her to be saved in the 3rd movie really

Really do agree with this

[ripe cypress]

I mean it’s the same storybeat!

[keen wren]

Thats understandable
I just like the hypothetical

[ripe cypress]

She can be younger and still old

[olive vortex]

I like the idea of sonic saving shadow from falling

But the death of Maria is a core part of what makes shadow, shadow

[balmy fiber]

Did you read all that jane said

Like i honestly dont think she needs to die, shadow can think shes dead and want revenge

And at the end he learns shes alive

[ripe cypress]

Yeah we’re talking alt ideas to SA2 here

You know

What the movies are supposed to be

[olive vortex]

Hmmmm

I read the idea

I honestly like it

But I’m still 50/50 on it

[wind sparrow]

We must traumatize the kiddos

This is how they learn who Shadow is

(I’m joking btw)

[ripe cypress]

We don’t need shadow, we need an alt shadow

[wind sparrow]

We need him

[ripe cypress]

Wrong Shadow

[balmy fiber]

As Jane said i think that would be very emotionally impactful

[ripe cypress]

And if certain elements aren’t executed right the emotional impact is reduced

Hence the off the grid setup

[north vault]

Also I love the idea of shadow settling down with an older Maria cos it feels, more his pace I guess?

[static elm]

I'm sure he's just gonna die like in sa2 tbh

[north vault]

Sonic/tails/Knux in the movie are very much wacky hijinks making mischief at home while shadow is

very much not that lol

[ripe cypress]

How do you know tho

Hm

[north vault]

that one bit from the beginning of the Knux show with em all in beds in Tom’s loft

I simply do not see shadow in that montage no matter how much my mind tries imagining it, it’s not his place

[ripe cypress]

Grumpy oldest brother

[open maple]

I can imagine Shadow going on journeys with Maria across the world

just to show her the wonders of it

[north vault]

shadow would be more comfortable making the morning coffee, doing the lawn, settling on the sofa with Maria as they watch countdown

his salvation would be a slow, relaxed life as a polar opposite to sonic needing adventure and stakes in 2

[ripe cypress]

Oh right Keanu gonna make him sound old as heck

[lone lantern]

Iizuka, SEGA, and Jeff don’t play when it comes to wanting to make shadow as accurate as they can be. So he might be going a different path compared to the trio. Nomad type. Just experiencing the world he was gonna fuckin blow up at one time lol

[ripe cypress]

No time for that, the black arms are invading (in 2026)

[north vault]

Also nearly missed this but they’re absolutely not gonna kill him cos they 100% want to make more films lol

like I’m 99.99% sure they will not do that, they’ll do a brief fakeout but he’ll get saved at the last minute

[olive vortex]

Na he gonna be the 4th brother

Or he gonna be Maddie’s sister’s kid

[ripe cypress]

Keanu reeves in a race car bed

[static elm]

They're gonna kill him just like in sa2

So not really

Ykwim

[lone lantern]

End credit stinger material

[olive vortex]

He boutta be living with Rachel and Jojo

[ripe cypress]

Hollywood loves fake out deaths so

Idk

[balmy fiber]

I think making Maria live as an elderly woman would be something the movie franchise could do

[lone lantern]

I think he’s more likely to align with whatever character Krysten Ritter is playing. Which I’m fairly certain she and the others announced are apart of G.U.N

[olive vortex]

Isn’t the husband to Rachel part of GUN too?

[lone lantern]

Maaaybe? I don’t know what his status is after the wedding

[north vault]

Heroes was very much a “oh shit this shadow guy’s more popular than we thought, we gotta get him back asap” situation, this time they’re planning from the ground-up so like

they really don’t need to do that lol

[lone lantern]

But maybe he knows a thing or two still.

[ripe cypress]

I mean they actually thought SA2 was going to be their last game

[north vault]

(Yeah yeah I know there’s X, but if X continued for longer they absolutely would’ve brought back shadow too)

[ripe cypress]

?

He.. he did

I’m confused

[north vault]

Oh I thought he stayed dead in X lol

[ripe cypress]

Nah he came back in season 3

Eggman took him to space

[static elm]

We'll see ig

Iizuka looooves sa2

I think he very much asked for this

[lost snow]

Shadow returned and "died" again in s3

[ripe cypress]

No he loves Shadow, SA2 ain’t getting that treatment

[north vault]

Ohhh right i was thinking of the Archie X “yeah but he got better” panel, nvm then lol

[ripe cypress]

I 100% expect the movie to diverge hard

If it doesn’t I’ll be disappointed

[north vault]

I’ll be v disappointed if they go full Mario movie and it’s just

hollow fanservice wank

[ripe cypress]

Can you even call it fanservice if the norm is the opposite

Car ride

Bar scene

Insert generic scenario

“Oh man they played live and learn” that’s one song

[north vault]

like the previous two movies are really solid movies first and foremost, they actually have stories they wanna tell and tell them well - 2 found a good balance between that and the sonic-y aspects, if they forego that balance for SA2 all cutscenes 4K I’ll be disappointed

[olive vortex]

I want the third movie to lean more into the game side

But still have the same core as 2

[ripe cypress]

Whatever happens someone’s getting disappointed

[lone lantern]

That is life

[olive vortex]

U know what I’m still so surprised about

They skipped chaos

[lost snow]

People just want fanservice in general

On twitter at least

[north vault]

This is the crux of it for me, yea - if they can maintain an actual interesting core story, I’m game

[olive vortex]

Also since it’s sa2

Hope it’s a bit longer

[north vault]

I do not want to watch the jingling keys reference movie with nowt under the surface

[olive vortex]

The last 2 movies felt really short

[north vault]

idk, they felt a pretty good length to me

[lone lantern]

Not many wanna admit it, but on twitter. I’m partially sure that the reason most want Amy & rouge in Sonic 3, is mostly for sa2 sake. Without taking in what the past 2 movies have established, and are pacing themselves as.

[ripe cypress]

Which way western fan
Video game reference fanservice
Pop culture reference fanservice

[lost snow]

Video game reference

Mostly

[north vault]

didn’t overstay their welcome, don’t need MCU-length flicks lol

[lone lantern]

That’s not to say there aren’t genuine intents of wanting them in there ofc, I wanted them in there initially.

[urban scroll]

"I feel just like Crash Bandicoot"

[north vault]

one of them led to Our House by Madness in the Knux show so I know what choice I’m taking lol

[olive vortex]

Ehh for me it felt like they were cutting on that 90 min mark really short

Hoping it’s moreso like 110 -120 min movie

[lost snow]

I agree on the lenght, if they make more 2 hour movies it will never be main plot only anyway

They will always have filler subplots

[lone lantern]

Without a subplot it could probably still be 2 hours or so.

[north vault]

(also like, some of the most iconic things in this series are pop culture references lol, cheers sonic 2 for the death egg and super forms)

[olive vortex]

Anything over 2 hours is crazy af tho for sonic I’ll say that

[lost snow]

Idk I think 2 hours of exposition or main plot is a lot

[ripe cypress]

Difference is those are actually substantive and have more meaning 😭

Not fanservice for the sake of it

[lost snow]

I just want fun movies with good story

[static elm]

Uhhhh, ye idk, despite you feeling this they still managed to shove in a 30 min boring to hell wedding subplot

[lost snow]

The wedding plot was absolutely filler but fun

For me...

[north vault]

they absolutely did not have more meaning back then lmao, no more than a paragraph in the manual

[olive vortex]

I kinda messed with the wedding

When I saw the fan screening, everyone was laughing their asses off

[north vault]

they were given meaning over time, sure, but back then it was “hey it’s the Death Star but eggman”

[olive vortex]

And opening night

[ripe cypress]

Yeah, the thing three games revolves around?

[lone lantern]

Sonic 3 just really needs to cut fluff. While Sonic 1 wasn’t the most Sonic-y, it was direct and every scene mattered and got us going to the next part. Sonic 2 was alright, but it felt like it was lagging because we kept coming back to Hawaii in the middle of the adventure. We have a, while fun, dance battle, for getting a map back in a tedious manner. So on

[ripe cypress]

That’s not over time

[lone lantern]

They aren’t horrible, but sometimes scenes or ideas extend to much.

[north vault]

Afraid to say three games over several years is indeed “over time”

[ripe cypress]

If it were truly just jangling keys then it would be a quick reference in a host of others

Back to the future reference

[lost snow]

Sonic 3 human plots may revolve around GUN Agents or journalists or the president

[ripe cypress]

Ghostbusters reference

[olive vortex]

Sonic 1 felt sorta rushed tho imo

[ripe cypress]

Jurrassic park reference

[olive vortex]

Felt like they just wanted to put something out as fast as they could

[lone lantern]

But, I also know things in the initial state of a film are much different compared to the final version. Ben Schwartz kinda confirmed that improv jokes are added I’m after test screenings, or gags, and so on. Or certain things are kept, because there’s a positive reaction during a test screening

[north vault]

I have bad news about the time travel in CD

[olive vortex]

I really just don’t hope that this sonic ain’t as obnoxious

[north vault]

(you got me on Jurassic park tho, fair play)

[lost snow]

Have him be like in the Knuckles episode I guess

[lone lantern]

I’d imagine he wouldn’t. Main goal has been to see him mature.

[lost snow]

This is why I think he is leaving home

[lone lantern]

Whole 2nd movie was about responsibility, and now he’s responsible for two more friends that he’s kinda showing the ropes of earth life. Dudes had to step up compared to the first film.

He’s found a place he’s cool with calling home, he’s learned that patience is a virtue, he’s got people looking up to him, and has squashed beef with his past grievances and set aside his differences.

Come movie 3, I’m curious of what will round off this trilogy’s arc for him. Since I don’t see him leaving being a possibility atm

[olive vortex]

He’s def staying no matter what

[lone lantern]

Mostly because that’s kinda what he was working for since movie 1, and he’s got it. So I think him going “peace” at the end would feel back trackish. At least THIS soon I mean.

[olive vortex]

I think the whole idea of having family and companionship being a core part of this trilogy is too strong just for Sonic to leave at the very end

[ripe cypress]

The only thing that would go against it at this point is actor contracts/willingness to show up

[olive vortex]

Even then didn’t most if not all sign a trilogy contract?

[ripe cypress]

Well yeah but what about after?

[olive vortex]

I know the main ones like Ben james and Tika did

Ben ain’t leaving 😭

Don’t think tika is either 😭😭😭

James is a 70 /30

[ripe cypress]

James and Tika from Sonic 3 onwards

[olive vortex]

I can def see him staying for the cash

But I can also see him leaving

[ripe cypress]

If they have an answer already then they might write around it

[olive vortex]

Jim for sure is leaving no matter what

[ripe cypress]

But the family themes are too strong otherwise

[lone lantern]

Pat and Josh are probably writing Sonic 4 rn.

They did the same thing with 2 and 3.

[olive vortex]

Idris is also 100% staying, especially if the man got the call for knuckles, and he instantly flew down to CA the minute he got the audition

[lone lantern]

Before they were even given a thumbs up about it, or knew that they would even be hired back for another run.

[lone lantern]

Oh yeah for sure.

I think it’s also a no brainer on Colleen

[olive vortex]

Keanu is a weird one

I can def see him staying

But at the same time I can see him having other obligations

[ripe cypress]

Shadow is a weird one

We’ll have to see how it goes

[lone lantern]

I think he’ll be used sparingly, or he’ll come around for any spinoff ideas they have intended. I don’t think shadow is gonna pop up every movie after 3, depending on what comes.

But that at all depends on where shadow leaves off in 3.

[olive vortex]

I’m already betting on what’s gonna be happening in the future tho

Still believe we gonna have a small break from the next live action one

[lost snow]

I think voice actors are easier to replace

So Shadow would stay regardless of Keanu I hope?

I think Sonic will leave Green Hills, it's just goodbye though, but I can't see Sonic not being free and exploring the world and other worlds

He can always return whenever he likes

Especially if he is outed as an alien and he becomes a famous hero, he will have to leave eventually

For now he is still young and hiding in the small town

[lone lantern]

He’s not hiding tho.

[lost snow]

From the government maybe

Or was

Obviously he loves his family, so there is that

[ripe cypress]

The government was protecting him if not keeping their eyes on him

Ms Gun Agent was mad that they were protecting him in a way

[left umbra]

Pretty sure next week or the week after we’ll get the daily schedules for SDCC

[lone lantern]

I wouldn’t doubt that come movie 3, team sonic & shadow get into kahoots, and G.U.N is just gonna take that as an opportunity to just cancel out everything with the furries.

Do you really think that mf Olive Garden guy is based on loyalty?

You know who could make a bombass Sonic heroes adaptation, or any Sonic film for that matter, come the time for the films to space out and venture into different directors (since Jeff can’t be everywhere)

James Gunn could do something fantastic, imho.

[wind sparrow]

I mean… Jeff’s birthday is on Day 1 of SDCC

Sorry Day 2

Imagine telling Jakks that the toy leaked 💀 https://x.com/daffywoody/status/1806718831223603433?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ

ThePopCultureDude (Daniel) (@DaffyWoody) on X

Just got a message, from JAKKS Pacific themselves.
Not only, it just confirms that the Sonic Movie 3 merch is 100% real.
It did lead to possible copyright risks.
(That’s why, I decide to NOT make a video about it in the first place.)

But hey, we’re all aware of it by now.

Twitter · Jun 28, 2024, 3:58 PM

The man basically threw THS under the bus 💀

[lone lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/live/pc-UPZEXf7o?si=gqT5WotLovNmbCf7

So Chris has his hands on a Sonic 3 plot leak. It’s in the same mold as the other plot leaks he’s gotten for Venom 3, smile, and the red one. Venom 3 was iffy for him personally because of a few missed patches. But smile 2 and the red one were accurate

He’s going to talk about it, but there are character spoilers according to him. So he’s gonna just blur out the names and just imply who they may be, and fans will probably just get it.

Chris is THE man for this type of stuff. He isn’t one to slip up, or put something out that he doesn’t fully believe in. So, whatever he’s got and if the past reputation is anything to go by? It could be fairly solid. But even then, a grain of salt.

Video is tmrw, correct myself.

So prepare ya butt, probably.

[static elm]

Yay... i guess

(Won't watch it)

[lone lantern]

Probably for the best.

But considering I’m the same dude that got that knuckles set photo out during Sonic 2, I know where my heart lies. I gotta collect my leaks.

[unique osprey]

go forth, justin, collect the seven chaos leaks, and bring peace to the spirit of the sonic fandom

[balmy fiber]

Oh shit

[static elm]

I didn't read the leaks for knuckles and sm3 so ye obv

Heard good shit tho, so

[lone lantern]

Yeah Sonic 3 and knuckles only had the storyboards out and about.

[balmy fiber]

Where did you see this

When dors he say it

[wind sparrow]

Venom 3 was correct so maybe?

[lone lantern]

My time-mark is all messed up on yt, but it happens right where this dono comes in. Rewind it back a bit, and just find this frame, and he’s talking about it.

[balmy fiber]

Hes gonna talk about it in this video??

[wind sparrow]

No

Separate

[lone lantern]

He’s making a separate video, dedicated to it, and uploading it tomorrow

[balmy fiber]

Tomorrow huh

I bet we are gonna get it

Who the characters will be

[lone lantern]

At least it seems like we’ll have a broader outline compared to the one of copyright.gov.

[wind sparrow]

That’s true… he can’t say it yet it’s new characters

Also he said he’ll hint at the characters

[lone lantern]

And leave it to speculation to us. Which is fair, he doesn’t wanna be front and center and be a “scooper” like so many tend to be. Isn’t his style.

[unique osprey]

im like 100% sure he'll give a detailed description about a character doing espionage and working against gun behind the scenes and everybody will be like "oh my god its rouge it has to be rouge" and then itll be captain rockwell and everybody will be mad even though if rouge was in the movie she wouldve been announced by now

[wind sparrow]

When did we find out Knux is in the movie?

[lone lantern]

Like a whole year prior

Even before the set photo, I think it wasn’t even like..3 months after the drop of the first film, where sequel news was coming in. And knuckles was confirmed out the gate.

Ah lord, somebody sent him a dono asking if Amy is in it rn lol

[open maple]

💀

[wind sparrow]

He shrugged

That’s his answer

“I’ll give you your hints tomorrow”

[lone lantern]

Best answer

[left umbra]

[static elm]

God this is gonna leak out of this channel anyway uh ?

[balmy fiber]

Its gonna be around everywhere

[static elm]

Yeah...

[balmy fiber]

If he hints character motivations

Its amyover

[lone lantern]

I just wonder if the master emerald will still have a place in this.

I don’t doubt that it’s a journey for the 7 emeralds.

[steep sequoia]

Most likely

I feel like Shadow's priority is going to be the master emerald to inherit his chaos powers

[lone lantern]

That could be possible. Because that is a neat question of how shadow came to be, if the master emerald was underneath the ocean for all of that time.

[left umbra]

Me now checking to see if the cast members with undisclosed roles have been involved in any voice work in the past

[lone lantern]

Cristo Fernandez played wheeljack in Rotb

But.

Idk, he didn’t need to do much. He wasn’t much of anything

That and he didn’t look like wheeljack, which is why he’s called Pablo.

James wolk plays Superman in that Harley Quinn show

[left umbra]

Jorma Taccone did the voice of Spider-Man from Earth-67 in both Spider-Verse films

[lone lantern]

Yep, and the vulture in across the spiderverse to, I think.

[wise turret]

Oh joy, can’t wait for tomorrow and find out that Amy Rose gets leaked for Movie 3 (she is not in the movie + would be overshadowed by Shadow)

[lone lantern]

I’m spitballing, but I’m gonna straight up bet on jorma being big the cat with him. Like a cameo appearance or something

They been trying to squeeze that cat in for the past two movies, I know they aren’t gonna stop at 3. They’re gonna get him in there, I feel it.

[left umbra]

random post-credit scene with no connection to a sequel /s

[lone lantern]

Also, funny thing about Cristo

He’s also in venom 3, as that bartender guy from no way home/maybe Sonyverse?

So that isn’t the only third movie of a trilogy he’ll be in this year. So good on him

[olive vortex]

O so we are getting movie 3 synopsis tomorrow

Cool I guess?

[wise turret]

Nah dawg

[left umbra]

Yep. Also appeared in No Way Home

[wise turret]

a leaked script

[olive vortex]

Kinda don’t wanna be spoiled by him cuz he spoiled the whole venom 3 plot

Wow so

Even worse

[wind sparrow]

Kinda. It’s kinda like the leaked Venom 3 one

[olive vortex]

Oh wow

So the whole story is gonna get leaked

https://tenor.com/view/get-yo-ahh-on-boy-gif-26030997

Honestly still mad that he spoiled the whole Peter Parker thing

[lone lantern]

It isn’t a leaked script lol

[olive vortex]

But with his “plot” leaks, especially if it’s the same vein as the venom 3 one

It’s just a less detailed description of the whole story

Venom 3 went through the major plot beats

[lone lantern]

I don’t even think that venom 3’s plot was the whole story. Kinda gave assets, I can say that. But I can’t inherently tell you where that movie would end at, based off of what was read, ykwim? Nevertheless, I get what you mean. It was fairly beefy, and I kinda treat leaks differently in terms of story beats.

[olive vortex]

Ya that’s what I don’t really like tbh

It was a bit too beefy

If it’s like

What shadow’s motivations where and stuff I’m fine

But he’s goin into story beats

And it’s to the point where he’s bleeping out character names and is like “ooooo if u know the characters actions u know them”

Like

Ur clearly just spoiling that it’s one of the majorly rumored 3

[left umbra]

Three scenarios I can think of for tomorrow:

A). The plot is 100% legit.
B). The plot is from an earlier draft of the story.
C). The "plot" was planted to weed out insiders.

Option C, I concur is highly unlikely apparently given that he is reliable.

[unique osprey]

what was venom 3's plot leak again

was it the one with the little peter parker?

[olive vortex]

Ya

Mentioned the major villains with that one + the Peter Parker stuff

[lone lantern]

I’m hoping that the venom 3 run down, is just a Sony thing and how they go about it. Because he didn’t go into what the smile 2 synopsis was like

[olive vortex]

Hmmm idk

Didn’t smile like not start filming yet?

HUH OCT 18?????????

[wind sparrow]

They literally did not listen to a word Chris said

[lone lantern]

Ah damn. Well, in the event that twitter throws a hissy fit on not-new character being revealed, we know how it came to be in Sonic twitter fashion.

[olive vortex]

Didn’t he say he was gonna bleep it out?

[wind sparrow]

Yeah

He’d give hints if possible

[lone lantern]

Blur it out, and leave it to interpertation to any fans that might be able to pick up on it by chance.

[wind sparrow]

The account didn’t really pay attention to what Chris said at all. Cause Chris doesn’t want things to get out of hand with it

[open maple]

[lone lantern]

Whatever happens tomorrow.

Will probably be treated as fact, and pure emotional response will be given.

[olive vortex]

It’s gonna get outta hand no matter what

[lone lantern]

Good or bad, so I’m just on the frontlines waiting.

[wind sparrow]

I’m dead 💀

[open maple]

💀

[olive vortex]

😭😭😭

[lone lantern]

Okay, Chris gave e a bit more of an idea of what the synopsis is formatted like

It’s essentially a far more detailed version of a synopsis you’d find under a YouTube description

Not like, Wikipedia levels like the venom 3 one it seems.

https://x.com/Sonic1News/status/1806893366149554564

SonicMovieUpdates (@Sonic1News) on X

Here is the part where 3CFilms talk about #SonicMovie3. He won’t reveal the new characters, but he will give a hint about them.

#sonic

Twitter · Jun 29, 2024, 3:32 AM

[wind sparrow]

Can we get this pinned lol

[open maple]

https://fxtwitter.com/3cfilmss/status/1806912017246060592?s=46&t=g1GONRJtvlFmRWuGsYw9QA

whelp

[quaint mountain]

Bro (whoever that phone belongs to), clean your notifications

[long yoke]

LOL

[wind frigate]

crisis averted

[open maple]

mhm

[olive vortex]

LMAAAO

good

[lone lantern]

Well then! Wait is still on until sdcc!

[azure trail]

if only you guys knew...

[open maple]

❓

[lost snow]

lmao anyway... back to nothingness

[ripe cypress]

Amy Metal and Big are NOT showing up bro

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878

[dire quiver]

Metal sounds more believable than Amy, Rogue and Big, TBH.

But uhh...

Yea...

[patent hazel]

Wasn’t this debunked as fake

So 3Cfilms was holding onto a fake leak

Bless him

[dire quiver]

Yes, he realised that.

[lone lantern]

Found this placeholder image for that 2025 calender.
So ig that's the substitute for the absence of the plot for today.

[unique osprey]

bruh imma kms they’re hiding so much

[azure trail]

Just wait till July 12

[patent hazel]

Why 12th?

[left umbra]

Likely by then a majority of the schedule for SDCC will be out

[azure trail]

Idk 😭

[wind frigate]

you really just be saying anything

[azure trail]

Not when it comes to silver

[snow tangle]

I wouldn't be surprise if Silver shows up in a movie or series.

[urban scroll]

Does anyone remember when they finished filming?

[snow tangle]

Back in March

[snow tangle]

https://x.com/fowltown/status/1773480195606872267

Jeff Fowler (@fowltown) on X

And we are WRAPPED #SonicMovie3

Twitter · Mar 28, 2024, 10:40 PM

[north vault]

do you think thats a normal sized clapperboard and jeff fowler is just very very small

[lost plume]

He was spotted as a gnome entering a clothing store, attempting to steal from thw register

[left umbra]

Schedule for SDCC will be released during the week of July 8th!

ISTG they better have Sonic 3 in Hall H if they are there

[lone lantern]

Can you share hall H?

Cause I know marvel is booking for it

[snow tangle]

I am... All of Me will not be in Sonic Movie 3, a fan asked Johnny Gioeli about it. https://fixvx.com/Sonic1News/status/1807076448039215570

[random portal]

Idk why would it

[north vault]

I'm not sure what surprises me more, people keeping on asking for Johnny to break NDA or that he keeps breaking said NDA lmao

like, why he not just keeping quiet, whatcha doin mate

[snow tangle]

If it were in the movie, He would've given a vague non answer

[north vault]

no no when it came to L&L he just

confirmed its in there lol

[random portal]

If people were asking me about shit i might be contributing, I would just turn off dms

Watch it for yourself losers

[snow tangle]

Maybe that's how far Paramount was willing to go in terms of licensing a song

[north vault]

mood tbh

that or doing the bumble approach and at least getting some moolah outta it

[random portal]

Good thing no one DMs me because I’m a boring person to talk to

OK FR THO

That’s the way

[snow tangle]

and its in reddit of all places

What happened was, #952605652973412452movie3 was suddenly trending, And that was the first thing that popped up

[lost plume]

Nobody DMs me because I block everyone who says hi or any greeting or any message at all to me

[left umbra]

Define "any message at all"

[snow tangle]

We had random DMs from bots

[lone lantern]

Well, sent tom holkenborg an email. Website did say he was open to questions so..
Went about as professional as I can be on a few things I had in mind.
(Besides sonic, though ofc. Not excluded)

So hopefully whoever is on the business side will get it through to him.
But if not, then it is what it is.

Curiosity is just within me lol

[lost plume]

no need to define it, message me ever and whoever sends it gets blocked immediately. Living 5 steps ahead of the curve

[static elm]

Damn...

[snow tangle]

He probably can't answer any specific question about Sonic 3 due to being under an NDA.

[lone lantern]

It'd be a big bummer if every issue the last movies had, are refined and balanced come movie 3. And the ost comes to be the only thing that comes short.

[snow tangle]

and the question is, How will Live and Learn be incorporated? Will it be only during the big battle in the 3rd act.

[lone lantern]

Me personally, I'd gradually add it as leitmotif during high moments in the story or even the lowest point in the 2nd act.
Then third act, it just finally explodes with it.

If there's concern for it sounding like it just came out of nowhere.
But considering what they did for Knuckles, I don't think it just popping up would be bad either.

[snow tangle]

I feel like it could be incorporated when Sonic and Shadow team up and go Super

but I also bet they'll use some classic 80s or 90s song during some scenes

[boreal canyon]

do we even know if he’s contributing to the movie

if not, he wouldn’t be under NDA, right

[wind sparrow]

Watch Live and Learn not be in the movie and these fans are getting their hopes up for nothing

[static elm]

That would be you actually

[wind sparrow]

I wasn’t expecting Live and Learn in the movie. Especially if Johnny is breaking NDA

[snow tangle]

Live and Learn will just be a couple of notes, Kind of like how they added the notes to Green Hill Zone in the opening credits

When Shadow shows up, you hear those notes from Live and Learn for just a bit

[lost plume]

Even then, if it's actually used in the film isn't known by him, he isn't the composer or sound editor

All he knows is that Live & Learn was licensed out by Paramount to be used, which it has for the logo reveal and it may just stick with that, like how Emerald Hill was only in marketing

[snow tangle]

Live and Learn will be more then likely be used in the trailer

[boreal canyon]

oh I didn’t know that

[olive vortex]

But even then, wasn’t friends in the first movie did the same thing?

[unique osprey]

There’s something in the NormieDude video relating to leitmotifs that I wanted to bring up and compare/contrast to another movie to explain another Sonic Movie OST problem but its late around here and I wanna at least pretend I have a timely sleep schedule so I’ll indulge later

[left umbra]

Friends was used in both the baby Sonic reveal and the movie itself

[lone lantern]

I'm really hoping and I'm fairly sure they're gonna take good advantage of the emotional possibilities of Shadow's narrative of lost of a loved one.

As much as I loved sa2, I really would like to get to know for a fraction of what Maria was like, beyond those two moments.

Same goes for sonic x shadow generations to, tbh.
But that relies on how far it'll go.

[steep sequoia]

We might see Baby Shadow then............

[olive vortex]

Why baby shadow 😭

[steep sequoia]

fr 💀

that's like saying classic shadow is happening

[open maple]

I mean, Shadow canonically was born as we see him today so

I doubt they can pull a baby Shadow even if they wanted

[wise turret]

Brother if that was the case, we would’ve seen his ass be tiny as hell in Movie 2

[dire quiver]

People taking pepito's comments seriously will never get old.

[left umbra]

Pepito, please put in several "/j" when necessary so we know not to take it seriously next time. Pretty please and thank you so much.

[quaint mountain]

Baby Shadow has a higher chance of happening than Classic Shadow tbh

[balmy fiber]

Yea like we got baby sonic

[next plinth]

idk where to put this, but low poly sonic real https://x.com/GamesCage_/status/1807815416473092402

GamesCage - Hype Guy (@GamesCage_) on X

YALL ITS REAL!!!!!!! https://t.co/8quybaTcg2

LOW POLY CLASSIC SONIC OH MY GOOOOODDD AAAAAAAHHHHH

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 4:35 PM

[ripe cypress]

Baby Shadow has the same reason to come into existence as baby Sonic, baby Knuckles, baby yoda, baby groot, etc etc

If the marketing wants it they will get it

[open maple]

It isn't really a rumor, it's actually real

it's in the website lol

[next plinth]

yea hence the idk where to put this

its been a v long time since ive been in this server

[wise turret]

I thought it was some random prank but no

[wind sparrow]

#1202386622885404714

[wise turret]

It’s dead ass real

[lone lantern]

Embryo shadow more like it

Lil freak of nature

Or..synthetic-nature, ig

[steep sequoia]

NOOOO I WAS SERIOUS

I mean if we get flashbacks

Maybe we'll see Baby Shadow

We don't know if he looked younger or not when created

We've never seen Baby Sonic except in the movie so why no Baby Shadow

Then he grew up

[dire quiver]

I know it wasn't a complete joke, but people take you with extra seriousness.

[steep sequoia]

and got frozen

[dire quiver]

Baby Shadow could happen.

But it's a maybe.

[steep sequoia]

OH FUCK

I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE

MY BAD

[open maple]

😭

[balmy fiber]

We were???

[steep sequoia]

??????

[steep sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-marvel-gif-12540832

[dire quiver]

We were.

I guess some people assumed that not.

[lone lantern]

https://x.com/Justin61894350/status/1807913310903312423

Justin M. (@Justin61894350) on X

Found it!
So this was in reference to that cemented video in most people's head from the sonic 2's commentary.
About the "Not fitting/working"
Bit Jeff was talking about.

Which Tyson Hesse expands on.

Twitter · Jul 1, 2024, 11:04 PM

Self plug moment.
But, legit.
I hope fans act normal abt this, and not think of tyson as 'washed' based off of this.

It don't take much, disregarding Junkie XL at the moment.

[glacial cliff]

Wait you're Justin M.?

😭

[glacial cliff]

The fans are washed lol

It's sadly a bi-product of

People just really wanting the movies for the easter eggs of it all (Mario movie style)

But in the same sense, the movies present themselves in such a goofy way

[lone lantern]

In the flesh

[glacial cliff]

It's kinda hard to take the serious moments seriously enough

[glacial cliff]

May or may not have blocked you last year cause you kept appearing on my feed 😭

But apparently not anymore

[lone lantern]

Aye man it's okay, I can't even blame you if that were the case lol

I'm frequent as HELL

[wind frigate]

ya’ll block people just for appearing on your feed? 😭

i just mute

[glacial cliff]

I didn't know that was a thing till later

Which I am using nowadays

[north vault]

tyson once again continuing to be 100% right

[random portal]

i just would like some game music for the hype scenes, sure go for more original tracks for the emotional/dramatic scenes maybe with a lil leitmotif as a lil touch. the games did the same thing and it worked fine there

[meager granite]

Oh that’s who you are

I’ve seen you post your art here before and I knew I recognized it from somewhere

[glacial cliff]

I would honestly prefer they bring Ohtani and Eguchi on board to make new music lol

It's still orchestral

[north vault]

who spammed my @ like three times

show yourself weakling

[torn scarab]

@balmy fiber le mad

[balmy fiber]

I spam tagged you

Over hesses comment

But you were right above

[north vault]

o lmao 😭

[unique osprey]

Sonic fans will be sonic fans

[steep sequoia]

^

[umbral gale]

I love how some people are still insisting that the Mario Movie proved that wrong and it just amuses me. Did people actually appreciate how well the remixed music went within moments of the movie or did they go “I RECOGNIZE THE THING!”

I’m gonna say the latter

[ancient moss]

i mean there are specific moments where i think it fit the tone and they worked, but thats like 10% of the ost

[steep sequoia]

I wo uld have remember if the pacing wasn't so fast

[umbral gale]

I’m not saying that isn’t the case at all

But more than not

It just feels like references for the sack of references

rather than thinking about if it fits well with the tone or so called pacing

[steep sequoia]

That's honestly one of the reason why I don't like watching the Mario Movie

If you have 0 nostalgia over the series it just barely holds up

[umbral gale]

Without the references, it just another generic illumination movie with the Mario paint on it

Boring as fuck

[steep sequoia]

Yeah I just did not like watching the Mario Movie at all

It's just so uninteresting

[umbral gale]

I do find it ironic that we are made fun of for giggling at jingle keys with reference lines in Frontiers when an entire movie does it and its suddenly okay because Mario

[steep sequoia]

Mario bias is real

[umbral gale]

When I can argue that the latter doing that makes it much worse

[steep sequoia]

For Frontiers case I find it passable considering the series lore was fuck up

BUT at the same time I don't wanted it repeated in the next main 3D game

[umbral gale]

Me either

Plus, I like the characters

Which I mostly don’t in Mario Movie

Except for Luigi, but he is barely in it

[steep sequoia]

it also comes down over their portrayal

And... Bowser, DK, and Luigi were the only ones I liked

I still don't like Chris Patt and I hated how they handled Peach

[ripe cypress]

Going to be referring to everything as jingling keys at this rate

In fact who was that one guy

The leitmotif guy

Got a new name for him...

[warm basin]

I remember when there was a debate about the characterization of the movie sonic someone brought up the Mario movie as an example of proper adaptation and proper characterization
and I'm like are you fr a mario movie is as much a MARIO movie as a sonic movie is a SONIC movie

like mario from the movie is not mario from games

[umbral gale]

That part just makes me fucking laugh

[warm basin]

and this goes for all characters from the movie maybe except luigi but hes barely in it

[umbral gale]

Movie knuckles is more done justice than the entirety of Mario movie cast

I’m dead serious

[ripe cypress]

Sweats

https://tenor.com/view/water-cup-ripple-jurassic-park-gif-8177690

[steep sequoia]

Mario movie
Proper adaptation

I already seen enough mario games that did it far better than the movie

[umbral gale]

Not to mention the Mario RPGs

[urban scroll]

The characters that are the most in-character in that movie were Luigi and Bowser

[umbral gale]

That is why this whole thing amuses me because their main argument with changing shit is that Mario barely has a universe to write around an interesting story & characters, which just screams

“We are ignoring the Mario RPGs”

or hell, even Mario Galaxy 1

Because that game made Bowser kidnapping Peach fucking badass and epic

[ripe cypress]

So wait

Actually nvm this is just movie sonic vs mario movie for no reason, it's not about principle it's about which one is more enjoyable

[ancient moss]

idk i like luigi in the movie a lot

hes not in it enough

but hes cool

[steep sequoia]

I mean I watched video game adaptations anyways T Deleter

I just find the Mario Movie very uninteresting

[left umbra]

I can understand why. I mean, I only watched it once when it was in theaters, and I could tell that they went for a safe approach, per se.

[steep sequoia]

Oh it's fine playing safe of course

[ripe cypress]

I can appreciate the creative intent of wanting audiences to be immersed first and foremost, but saying that music should not incorporate things like leitmotifs and general music piece nods because overzealous/overhyped fans will take it one way, and in turn looked down from on high and framed as "pointing at the screen and saying "they did the thing"" has got to be one of the worst general framings for music, of all things, I have heard in a while

Like goddamn

The lowest common denominator framing being the ultimate judgment call is one thing, but the complete dismissal of the effect music has to influence emotion and connection to a story, and how important that is for musical reference, callback, and subversion....

It's a large part of what makes movie soundtracks good to begin with, a large part of why people listen to movie soundtracks in general. And then you have the opportunity to combine the strengths of movie soundtracks and the video game soundtracks, but it's suddenly bad now because it's apparently, basically the same as queuing up Green Hill Zone or 1-1 on the movie screen but "PEAK" and they simply cannot behave themselves

[ripe cypress]

Appealing to a hypothetical ignorant majority for not taking advantage of pushing the music in one category they don't get is just an avenue to simply not take advantage of music at all; for the fraction of fans that do perceive the highlights of music, there is a larger amount of people who simply don't, either due to not paying attention or not understanding the music itself. But that should never be a reason to stop trying and not attempt to make the art that some aren't perceiving.

"Patch spackle it"

[lone lantern]

Movie 3's score most hinges on Jeff & Executive decision/agreement for whatever they'd like to change up with the score compared to thr past 2 films score.

A composer doesn't just solo man run it on his own, it still has to be over seen and directed & supported by whatever visionary at the end of the day.

So maybe some of the wants for something more stylistic or reminiscent of something higher than plain orchestral has been ran by him, through outer looking in to fan wants & what not.
Maybe it won't be the case to.

Everything is a waiting game essentially

[quaint mountain]

That's kind of why I'm getting annoyed at some people here that think putting even leitmotifs from games is cringe and "sonic fan behaviour" or whatever.

I literally do not care when the alternative in all sonic movie stuff (Knuckles show included in my opinion) has been either <insert licensed music here> or generic orchestral nonsense nobody cares about including the lowest common denominator that the same people say they should address

"Oh but just lifting the tracks from the games won't be fitting" then don't just lift them?

Remix them, work them into the movie?

[umbral gale]

or hear me out

Have original music that sounds like Sonic music that would fit the moments

[balmy fiber]

I think leimotifs are cool

[umbral gale]

Because yeah, the Sonic movie music is making me fall asleep and it just doesn’t do it for me, but the alternate solution that uses the Mario movie as a example is not fixing the problem

Its creating a new one

How about just a original soundtrack done by someone who actually fucking understand what makes Sonic music click

Boom, perfect middle ground