#Sonic Rumours & Speculation

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gloomy bloom
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a shutdown mobile gacha by Nintendo and Cygames

boreal canyon
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more like dragalia won

olive vortex
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Fuckin he’ll

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Pyoro fuckin spoiled an announcement for me

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Lowkey pissed

glacial cliff
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Olympics?

unique osprey
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nah

glacial cliff
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Pokemon?

open maple
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pyoro said there will be little first party related in this direct

boreal canyon
warm basin
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but if this is really olympics then i hope they gonna keep story mode

olive vortex
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@boreal canyon

azure trail
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What is that even

olive vortex
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||Olympics||

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||Pyoro also tweeted with it “Summer is here”||

azure trail
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M&S?

olive vortex
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||theres also no Eiffel Tower in the emojis + he said to temper expectations when people were saying it’s Tomodachi||

azure trail
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Yoooo

olive vortex
azure trail
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If it's that last one you mentioned

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I would love it

olive vortex
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But na the emojis make sense

azure trail
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That game really deserves a sequel

olive vortex
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||Canoe Sprint most likely||
||City = every Olympics held||
||island = Summer||
||Tower = Eiffel Tower||

azure trail
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Ehhh

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Idk man

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I think Mii island

glacial cliff
olive vortex
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That’s tomodachi right? @azure trail

azure trail
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Yeah, that tower appears in Tomodachi

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Tomodachi is also in an island

olive vortex
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He said to temper expectations with it tho

azure trail
glacial cliff
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I think it's 4 separate games

olive vortex
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And tomodachi is like a huge thing

azure trail
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There is 2 coincidences at least

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So yeah

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Better stay low

olive vortex
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Rn I’m either calling ||Olympics|| or Tomodachi

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But rn I’m leaning more towards ||Olympics||

azure trail
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Only 7 hours left

glacial cliff
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The tower appears to be something very irrelevant in Tomodachi?

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It's almost certainly just meaning "related to france"

azure trail
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Is just an aesthetic thing really

glacial cliff
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And the olympics are right there

azure trail
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🏝️ 🗼

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🏙️

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Only thing is the canoe really

olive vortex
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Ya everyone is pointing that out

azure trail
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No idea what that could be

olive vortex
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But I think the deal breaker was to keep expectations low

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Pyoro likes doin this shit remember

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They did it with DK

azure trail
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Tomodachi only uses a canoe for dates lmao

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So no idea

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But yeah it could be just Olympics

ancient moss
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i hope its one of those olympic games games with no mario & sonic

olive vortex
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Mario and Sonic

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Or Sonic and Friends

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Calling it now

ancient moss
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this shit

91urB4EjBQS.png
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would just be funny lmao

glacial cliff
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I mean

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I don't think expectations low means anything

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No one has super high expectations for any of these possibilities

ancient moss
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if its a sonic & mario

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i at least hope that means we get peak renders again

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m&s renders always go hard

glacial cliff
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Tbh I'd be surprised

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The director of the previous ones is working on Shadow Gens

olive vortex
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I would be very surprised if it’s Olympics

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Especially when they’re just a few weeks away

olive vortex
olive vortex
glacial cliff
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Very late announcement tbh

warm basin
lost snow
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Also did they announce the standard Olympics game

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for Paris

left umbra
lost snow
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this at least says they were developing something "for more platforms"

left umbra
wind sparrow
wind sparrow
left umbra
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Well @olive vortex go toss your Olympics and Tomodachi suggestions out the window; Pyoro has now stated that it is not a 1st-party game

umbral gale
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Thank god

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But what is it them?

warm basin
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i dont think olympic is the 1st-party game

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but im wonder what it is then

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it would be funny if pyoro is trolling and its actually gonna be olympics lmao

umbral gale
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He also said that nobody guessed it yet a moment ago

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and a lot of people were saying Mario & Sonic Olympics for a while

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But yeah, he could be trolling too

quaint mountain
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Did anyone guess ordinary Olympic Games?

umbral gale
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I was thinking about that

static elm
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Who would buy that tho...

umbral gale
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I have no idea

vale raft
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and that includes m&s olympics

warm basin
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yea but he could be troiling

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knowing pyoro

umbral gale
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I'm honestly expecting another M&S Olympics game just to check my expectations

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If its something else, its whatever

left umbra
warm basin
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lmaooooo

quaint mountain
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Oh wait, did anyone say Pokemon Legends?

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Since that's in a city that's essentially Paris

static elm
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Hmm

warm basin
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i see some tweets about pokemon

static elm
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It has been a while

quaint mountain
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ok cool, the bird should die then

static elm
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Damn

wind sparrow
left umbra
wind frigate
steep sequoia
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aw yeah phantasy star time

wind sparrow
umbral gale
balmy fiber
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What would it be then

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Pokemon is first party

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Mario and Sonic is first party

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Tomadachi Life is first party

umbral gale
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I genuinely can’t guess it at this point

left umbra
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Well, a third-party game it is, then, but what?

floral silo
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klonoa 3 obviously

balmy fiber
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Stop id cry

floral silo
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did the remakes sell well? i dont remember

balmy fiber
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I hope so

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Sadly i feel they were a bit too expensive for the port they got

wind sparrow
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It’s Knack 3

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Finally

wise turret
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I just hope the remasters sold well

floral silo
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yea probably bigsad

wise turret
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or enough to be considered good enough by them

floral silo
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i do remember they popped off pretty hard at launch day

wise turret
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like realistically, I could see a possible collection for the handheld games

floral silo
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they like broke steams servers for a bit or sum

wise turret
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but who knows on if they'll even bother including shit like Moonlight Museum and/or Heroes

balmy fiber
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I think Klonoa 3 would be my dream Namco game

floral silo
wise turret
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Yea but a lot of people care for unneeded shit like Pac-Man World, the many anime games Bandai has access to and whatever FormSoft are cooking up

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so Klonoa's chances better be beating the odds because if I see another licensed anime game published by Bandai Namco I am rethinking my views on the company

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keyword here is licensed

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because in case you lived under a rock

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they also own Digimon

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and I do not count that as licensed because guess who owns that

wind sparrow
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It’s Sparking Zero

floral silo
wind sparrow
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Ngl

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Kinda glad nothing leaked for the direct

left umbra
azure trail
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Not the timing lmao

wind sparrow
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I jinxed it lmao

wind frigate
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bu womp

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we’ll see

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also again we really need to make a leak thread separate from the sonic one AINTNEURWAY

wind sparrow
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Fr

azure trail
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Or we could change the name to...sonic, rumors & speculation

warm basin
wind frigate
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i want them to be separate

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so there’s sonic rumors/leaks and then there’s one for general gaming

azure trail
lost snow
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I'm assuming the riddle game is not my fabled Sonic/SEGA Olympics because it wasn't leaked by any leakers, although it was said there were multiple Sonic and SEGA projects between apple arcade and consoles...

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something Animal Crossing, I suppose?

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Like I've seen some news about it, besides the lego stuff

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wait no, Pyoro said it isn't first party

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it's probably random olympics lol

unique osprey
olive vortex
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Tf was the tower supposed to represent?

vale raft
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this game from the jp direct

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for context before you all dogpile him

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perhaps he wasn't 100% sure on the big gun titles this direct

wind sparrow
steep sequoia
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Honestly? It's for the best

boreal canyon
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can you guys stop posting non sonic stuff in here

wind sparrow
steep sequoia
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Ye sory, just the last time I am pos--

wind sparrow
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I doubt it actually leaked but imma post it here

steep sequoia
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AYOOOOOOOOOOO!?

vale raft
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pulling the same trick again keanu

ancient moss
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twitter thumbnail fucked his trick up lmao

wind sparrow
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Figured

wind sparrow
torn scarab
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I remember I tried something like that here and the thumbnail showed

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I started crying😭

left umbra
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Update: it was most likely just the teaser shown at CinemaCon.

"the studio played up holiday release Sonic the Hedgehog 3 showing off an exclusive sneak peek at the movie which introduces the mysterious Shadow."

Source

balmy fiber
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oh

vale raft
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can they show it to us next 💣

lone lantern
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Please lord let June 23rd be the day for SOMETHING.

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Honestly the only response indicator will be when the movie account on Twitter changes its profile back to normal.

balmy fiber
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Well now!

azure trail
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Pyoro is a fake too!!!

quaint mountain
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I mean it ain't really being a fake, it's just people saying where they were getting the info from

balmy fiber
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Yep

quaint mountain
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Which is at least somewhat more reliable than, y'know

azure trail
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Pyoro...

steep sequoia
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Only matter of time

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Pyoro dugged himself too much

azure trail
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Nintendo caught him

unique osprey
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he’s accurate but not in the sense of “oh he has really good sources” just “oh he has really good TIMING”

azure trail
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Yea

unique osprey
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if I spent decent amounts of time studying web addresses and reporting that those addresses are websites for games I’d probably be revered as a “accurate leaker” too

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it’s the ego of the matter that bothers me, really

azure trail
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Remember when pyoro told someone to kill themselves 💀⚰️

steep sequoia
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I am noticing this trend over leakers honestly

unique osprey
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because everybody is turning to insiders, whether it be midori or pyoro, for the Deets™️ on their favourite games, so they gain big heads about it because they’re providing the Special Information to us

steep sequoia
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The more they leak the more they are starting to act more of an asshole

unique osprey
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because people are inevitably gonna ask for more than just white bread

dire quiver
steep sequoia
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It's honestly even more of a problem over leak cultures

dire quiver
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When was it?

steep sequoia
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Where people get too obssessed over them

azure trail
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Long time ago

dire quiver
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Give a time period.

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Years ago?

unique osprey
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I think leak culture on it’s own isn’t the problem, I just think it needs to be more about sharing than like making a spectacle out of it

azure trail
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It was some fake leaker

unique osprey
dire quiver
unique osprey
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these people aren’t insiders, they’re Internet personalities disguised as insiders

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they’re bad personalities too visibly

azure trail
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Lmfaoo

vale raft
azure trail
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They still barely do anything tbh

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Pyoro doesn't really interact much compared to other ones

dire quiver
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This really doesn't come anywhere close to Midori.

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That entire situation was terrible.

azure trail
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Bro was being silly

dire quiver
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This seems to be only about Pyoro's source of leaks.

azure trail
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Ye

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But I think he'll be fine

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Will probably just say they don't have more sources and then leave

boreal canyon
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can we go back to posting Sonic Rumors & Speculation now

unique osprey
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uhm

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movie 3 does not exist

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it was an elaborate ruse the whole time

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we’ve all been played

boreal canyon
balmy fiber
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Where is the general rumor topic

boreal canyon
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haven’t made one yet because every time I brought it up, ppl were against it

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anyways, after writing that out I just realized I don’t care

glacial cliff
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Where's my Sonic announcement during a federal holiday

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Smh

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Also man

dire quiver
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I think people bringing topics related to rumours but not Sonic is inevitable given that there's no channel/topic for that.

glacial cliff
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Shadow got the short end of the stick of anniversaries

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June 19th and 23rd

boreal canyon
boreal canyon
boreal canyon
boreal canyon
dire quiver
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Alrighty.

boreal canyon
boreal canyon
boreal canyon
azure trail
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Oh well

wind frigate
unique osprey
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I know in my gut a central is coming

steep sequoia
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Same also

lost snow
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Apparently jakks will release a six minifigure pack for movie 3... and merch only features game characters

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we are getting six main characters in the movie from the games?

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Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Robotnik, Shadow and...?

wind sparrow
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Stone

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Stone

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Stone

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Stone

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Please be stone

lost snow
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they said merch features game characters because of rights

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and marketability I guess

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can't remember where I read it, probably when they officially announced merch for Sonic 3

steep sequoia
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So I guess possibly Amy?

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Or longclaw?

wind sparrow
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Let Stone be canon in games

wind sparrow
lost snow
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I'm trying to find the official listing online so I can confirm 6 characters number

lost snow
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maybe it's Maria lol

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or possibly a GUN robot

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the movie 2 pack had a buzzbomber in the pack

wind sparrow
lost snow
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yeah

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also it's a pack that releases in October like all merch

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they will avoid spoiler characters likely

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like they did with Super Sonic in 2 which only released later

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nevermind, the tweet says it's launching on July 27th

left umbra
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More info at SDCC, me thinks

lost snow
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this is the european listing

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it says 8 minifigures but I'm not sure, also "wave 1"

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it says 4 x Sonic, 2 x Shadow, 1 x "Brass Knuckles", 1 x Robotnik???

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probably more details later

lost plume
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Yeah there'll likely be variants

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Like Super or the powered up look or disguises n shit

left umbra
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Imagine Knuckles with brass knuckles

balmy fiber
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Damn if its just these characters then is confirmation there wont be anymore

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At least amy or rouge

lost plume
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I wasn't expecting them anyways

balmy fiber
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Me neither

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Still kinda crazy its gonna be a big sausage fest

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With the most relevant girl character being dead lmao

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And maddie ig

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And rachel if shes in

left umbra
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Sausage fest lol

lost plume
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Can they give Maddie more to do

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And just

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Have Tom get killed offscreen before the film starts

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lol

lost snow
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Tails isn't in the merch listing either

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I doubt this is it

balmy fiber
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Lmao

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They just put the COOL GUYS

lost snow
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but I doubt it's really gonna be 4 Sonic figures and 2 Shadow

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maybe it's the spoiler free version

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also there are more waves so... I'm not worried

lost plume
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Where is the Gerald Execution figure

lost snow
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the most interesting thing is the July date, all will be revealed before end of July

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for better or for worse

tardy pivot
lost snow
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more on amazon italia

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2 unspecified characters besides the confirmed Sonic and Shadow

balmy fiber
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Unspecified

wind sparrow
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Watch it be Not Amy and Rouge

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It’ll be Maria and Gerald

lone lantern
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Unless those two are doing some cool stuff I doubt it

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I’ve wanted an agent stone action figure, and that’s yet to be

wind sparrow
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Bro if it’s Agent Stone I want Lee to sign mine

lone lantern
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The man co piloted the death egg robot, GIVE HIM HIS FLOWERS

glacial cliff
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Super Sonic and Super Shadow

gloomy bloom
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Wade Action Figure

lone lantern
wind sparrow
wind sparrow
patent hazel
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Does this count as a spoiler for movie 3?

dire quiver
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Yea?

wise turret
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It’s only a name so far

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Only way it would be considered a true spoiler is when the figure is shown proper

lost plume
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Still a spoiler if it's something we had no knowledge of prior

dire quiver
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It's minor, but a spoiler regardless because it implies it's not the normal version of the character.

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We can only guess what it is, cause I honestly don't know what "Brass" could mean.

lone lantern
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But it’s okay 🖐️😔. I know my place

north vault
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a rose gold peach situation

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literally just a brass recolour of the existing knux fig 😭

urban scroll
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Red Bronze Knuckles

dire quiver
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One of the weirdest additions I've seen.

snow tangle
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Were people expecting knuckles themed brass knuckles?

strong flax
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BTW The Sonic Symphony will be playing at San Diego on July 27th

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Which is that Saturday during SDCC

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I wonder if Sonic 3 will get a hall H panel

livid gazelle
wind sparrow
meager granite
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omfg

lost snow
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Who knew?

meager granite
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im gonna start gambling

wind sparrow
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P sure the Cinepr guy only asks about the Sonic trailer to Paramount and leakers. But imo I think it would be funny if every time a fan asks for the trailer they just keep delaying it to spite the people who ask

static elm
static elm
open maple
lost plume
balmy fiber
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This DanielPRK needs to go too

lost plume
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Get his ass outta here

balmy fiber
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Hopensome drama happens that makes him delete his stuff

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Also hes blacklisted, dont post him

unique osprey
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how so

balmy fiber
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What do you mean how so, hes blacklisted

lost plume
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Most of his shit is wrong anyways

balmy fiber
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In this server

unique osprey
balmy fiber
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The moderators of this server got sick of his shit, specially with the dumbass "patreon exclusive "sonic frontiers 2 is on works"

unique osprey
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ah

balmy fiber
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And so, they decided, that they dont want his name in here

unique osprey
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i forgot about that whole thing with him ngl 😭

meager granite
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i bouta blacklist sonicmovieupdates too

urban scroll
meager granite
balmy fiber
static elm
# meager granite i bouta blacklist sonicmovieupdates too

What ? But you can't black list sonic movie updates when they make peak tweets like these 🥺
https://fxtwitter.com/therealcineor/status/1797646815954964635?t=53uDGGr9mpK4FbJqlIecHw&s=19

FxTwitter / FixupX
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Cineor (@therealcineor)

For the third year in a row, Lee Majdoub AKA Agent Stone, has answered “Thank You!” on my ‘Happy Birthday’ post on my Instagram 👀🔥🔥🪨, so excited to soon see him again in the #sonicmovie3

balmy fiber
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Imagine paying 15 dollars for sonic info where the guy says "the sequel the the sucessful formula is happening

wind sparrow
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But close enough ig?

lost plume
static elm
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Both of them post the same fuck ass shit

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I don't give a single fuck

wind sparrow
lost plume
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Nah because I atleast know that everything I say to a journalist will be used

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Fuckin' dumbass this dude 😭

wind sparrow
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Do you think he checked the dude’s account before the DMs or just thought it was a rando

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Cause how dumb can you be to spill the beans to a journalist

static elm
lost plume
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Fuckin' moron, dude did not think

wind sparrow
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HOW TF DID HE THINK THAT

lost plume
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He probably asked for that to go off the record

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Like hun, it's journalism

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They seek the juicy info

patent hazel
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McDonald’s sonic 3 toys leaked

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Spoiler toys too

azure trail
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show

open maple
azure trail
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nvm I saw it

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awww

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the scrunkly

steep sequoia
open maple
steep sequoia
balmy fiber
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Um what

open maple
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of sonic movie 3

balmy fiber
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Please be real

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That toy is so good

olive vortex
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@balmy fiber show

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Ah nvm found it

azure trail
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am I able to send it?

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I will spoiler it ofc

olive vortex
olive vortex
azure trail
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sure thing

olive vortex
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I mean

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||Super Shadow was 100% given tbh||

balmy fiber
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||FUCKING SCRUNKLE||

olive vortex
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Wish it was like the Mario movie one

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Where they leaked the render

open maple
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I did not know what it was but I didn't like the mario movie renders

wind sparrow
open maple
wind sparrow
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Found the original sauce

dire quiver
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So there is not anything new over these leaked toys.

dire quiver
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But well, the toys do look funny.

glacial cliff
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This better not be his final design

lone lantern
dire quiver
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I mean, hey, it does looks like his ||quills are pointed upwards||.

unique osprey
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“oh my god!! spoilers for sonic movie 3!!” and it’s the thing literally everybody thought would be in the movie

warm basin
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i think we already knew about ||super shadow || thanks to leaked storyboards

indigo mortar
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probably the FIRST thing everyone thought of

blazing belfry
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https://fxtwitter.com/GamesCage_/status/1804692027331764685

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GamesCage - Hype Guy (@GamesCage_)

Pyoro’s source gets outed

“accepting applications for the "Network Service Development Online Seminar"

Someone got cooked 💀‼️

Quoting 任天堂株式会社 (@Nintendo)

[新卒採用情報]「ネットワークサービス開発 オンラインセミナー」（7月から順次開催）のお申し込み受付を開始しました。
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/jobs/recruit/event/network.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=20240621&utm_cam...

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Man down...

quaint mountain
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McDonalds leaking something movie-related again is hilarious at this point

dire quiver
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I thought I'd let you know, because that's where we share rumour related things that aren't related to Sonic.

snow tangle
unique osprey
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HOW many??????????

open maple
wind sparrow
balmy fiber
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I dont think he realized LOL

boreal canyon
random portal
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How many times will people fall for Ultima's joke tweets BE FR

azure trail
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No one ever will lmfao

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Ultima has good timing

open maple
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Ultima has good timing and understands how to write in a way that is convincing

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He makes a joke that sounds stupid enough to be believable as actually real

azure trail
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Yeah 😭

boreal canyon
open maple
boreal canyon
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this sounds like a reference i dont understand

open maple
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This will answer all of your questions

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1:20 aproximately

boreal canyon
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dont tell me

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is ultima the squeaker in that video

open maple
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yeah

boreal canyon
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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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NO FUCKING WAY

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anyways

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yeah i can do that at times

azure trail
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LMFAOOO

open maple
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lmao then teah you're like him

Those screams are very hilarious

patent hazel
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My guy

meager granite
azure trail
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There's no way

open maple
steep sequoia
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I see

static elm
gloomy bloom
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this changes everything.

wind sparrow
patent hazel
wind sparrow
patent hazel
wind sparrow
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It’s pretty obvious

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100% credible

steep sequoia
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So a nobody? Gotcha

balmy fiber
olive vortex
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Holy crap

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Bros…he might be the real deal….

open maple
dire quiver
keen wren
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The most reliable sonic leaker is larry

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maybe one day he will come back and grace us with his presence

patent hazel
olive vortex
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Cuz my man is a reputable source

unique osprey
lost plume
random portal
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Next thing youre telling me is that Sonic will be in the next game

lost plume
wind sparrow
random portal
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Yeah and I’m also a white guy

steep sequoia
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Maybe not

meager granite
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😭😭😭

wind sparrow
torn scarab
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Wow can’t believe the trailer will release before the movie

torn scarab
gloomy bloom
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my source says that sonic 3 movie will feature Tails in some capacity, sounds crazy... too crazy..

balmy fiber
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So i have been talking to people at Capcom Vancouver and it seems Eggman... is on Sonic 3

gloomy bloom
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who's your source

balmy fiber
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They didnt tell me but they had a Kasumi from P5R pfp so i trust them

lost snow
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Regarding Sonic 3, I know people have grown to hate the Amy/Rouge discourse speculation, but I was thinking that if they want to adapt a proper SA2 story, it'd be weird not to have one of them, since Shadow is supposed to remember Maria through Amy and/or Rouge, and I don't see any kid actresses or actors in the cast besides Maria's actress here, unless they go for a completely different direction in the plot, I don't see them excluding both characters in the movie tbh.

static elm
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Bro 😭 the kid actress who gave her shoes to sonic ?

balmy fiber
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Yea or just tom and maddie

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Like they couls easily fill in the gap

lost snow
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if she had a role they would have announced her along with the human cast? Like Alyla Browne?

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by "role" I mean more than she did in the past 2 movies

wind sparrow
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If Amy and Rouge were in the film they’d keep the roles a secret. They wouldn’t just announce “Oh yeah here’s Amy and Rouge” if anything they’d keep them a surprise

lost snow
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they would probably reveal the new important characters in a trailer/announcement, because there would be merch for them and eventually they'd leak

meager granite
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I like this account

open maple
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😭

blazing belfry
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Who's behind him...?

wise turret
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evil Tim Cook

ripe cypress
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The Dark Lord Iizuka's new friend?!?

wise turret
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the CEO of Apple

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unique osprey
meager granite
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no

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i dont do gimmick accounts i run news stuff

static elm
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No proofs

lone lantern
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Shadow might honestly just come around on his own accord tbh.

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Because they essentially said that Sonic isn’t going to have much breakthrough with him, and the odds of Amy & rouge are looking slimmer by the dozen. And I can’t envision fucking Jojo or Tom & Maddie tagging along scenery like this for a whole adventure (along with knuckles & tails, mind you)

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I understand Chris more than jojo, because Chris was essentially a secondary main character in Sonic x. He had some amount of the depth or arc to go on to at least try and get shadow to stop

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Wtf is jojo’s purpose, 3 movies in, other than ‘nice little girl’.

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No offense to the actress ofc.

olive vortex
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I def don’t think Jojo is gonna be the one to do it

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But I wouldn’t put it past Tom or Maddie

lone lantern
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Yeah, maybe so. My only thing with it is just..the placement of them. Not to say his flip of the coin has to be on the ark, but the big draw of it is that it’s a split second turnaround on what’s essentially the verge of world domination in the third act.

ripe cypress
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Why is this one thing the one unchangable factor to people lol

lone lantern
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I do have a feeling that the 05 influence is gonna be the amnesia being incorporated in some form, and he’s gradually gonna remember/reveal to the audience over the course of the film.

open maple
ripe cypress
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They can have the moment but have it be him reminded of Maria in other ways, like visual cues or other memory triggering aspects

lone lantern
ripe cypress
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Or they could legitimately have Sonic do it considering Shadow wouldn't listen to Chris either sonicshrug2

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Him failing to convince him doesn't mean that it can't be what triggers it

open maple
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be either in sa2 or in X

ripe cypress
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Basically

open maple
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Just gave someone be in life peril

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and Shadow will trigger those memories because he doesn't want that to happen again

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in sa2 is better fleshed this aspect imo

ripe cypress
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I think if they let him gradually realize it on his own it might end up being more impactful

open maple
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yeah

lone lantern
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Him returning to the ark could honestly nail it off for him to just remember it all.

ripe cypress
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Like a gradual build up of information that he either forgot or lost context of

open maple
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Yeah. It would make his internal conflict much better

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sa2 has some ground work with it with the 'your memories might not be real' but it never truly digs deep in that

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Shadow just takes them regardless

ripe cypress
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I'm... not sure it will lean into that angle? Like honestly it's weird because an entire movie dedicated to him can play around with these concepts much more than the blurbs in SA2 or Heroes or The Truth of 50 Years Ago do justice with it; it's just an element that they throw into the mix for ambiguity's sake

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They could do it, and it would be interesting

unique osprey
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its also very blatantly not relevant now, the "your memories might not be real" aspect of it

open maple
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it didn't dig into that concept either

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Both sa2 and X only removed a bit of Shadow's memories

ripe cypress
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Ok fine I don't think I'll ever do the thing anyways

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Here is the info that everyone slept on for so long

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The bomb

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQfs4f0MzX0&t=3678s&ab_channel=BumbleKingVideos

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unique osprey
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hmm?

ripe cypress
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ancient moss
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i mean thats from 4 years ago, prob before SXSG was even concieved really, so i dont think this means anything atm tbh

unique osprey
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shadow being an android "possibly still being on the table" is contradicted by that shadow 05 line and very blatantly so by sxsg by having him channel black arms energy without spazing out and shutting down (because thats what a ROBOT would do)

ripe cypress
ripe cypress
balmy fiber
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Oh you dropped it

ripe cypress
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Yeah lmao

balmy fiber
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And yea pay attention to ians words

ripe cypress
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I couldn't hold it in

balmy fiber
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Before you guys say anything

unique osprey
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ripe cypress
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It wouldn't make sense for him to be anything but a carbon copy of the real Shadow, which is why I was so worried about this

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Using it as ambiguity is fine, using it for a potential future retcon would be a huge problem potentially

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But notice how Gerald says that he was using his original data to finish Shadow

lone lantern
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It hurts my head to think about, so I’m just gonna refer to whoever we have right now as the real shadow. Or my shadow, ig.

ripe cypress
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And then take the sci fi aspect

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And use it

ancient moss
unique osprey
ripe cypress
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The point is

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The ambiguity is still being preserved

olive vortex
ancient moss
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i mean even then she says theres no way to know if its a copy or just straight up shadow

ripe cypress
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Exactly

ancient moss
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tbh i feel like shth made the story a good amount more complicated so i dont think adding the extra "HE MIGHT BE A CLONE STILL!!!" plot is helping anything tbh

ripe cypress
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I mean

ancient moss
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if anything, it might be neat to explore them creating a shadow clone 50 years ago but that NOT being the shadow we see

ripe cypress
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This is Maekawa's original intent 😭

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And then Heroes riffed on it

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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And then ShTH riffed on it again

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Complicated is their favorate meal

ancient moss
ripe cypress
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What if their mindsets are different?

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If there are two Shadows one never had Gerald tamper with his mind

unique osprey
ancient moss
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i mean both could have had their mind tempered with

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gun could just be holding em both and eggman only freed the real one

ripe cypress
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If the capsule was never recovered, how?

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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Imo either Shadow found his way to Gerald and there's one Shadow, or he's still out there and there's two

ancient moss
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isnt it implied that its just top secret info? it doesnt say that it wasnt recovered, just that the whereabouts are unkown to her

unique osprey
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or the information was redacted/hidden

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gun in sa2 is already implied to be holding a lot of secrets

ripe cypress
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Then why would they care about preserving this ambiguity?

unique osprey
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they dont 😭

ripe cypress
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Why would he recieve multiple notes

unique osprey
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ian said in the same sentence that it was on the same calibur as money not existing in the universe

ripe cypress
unique osprey
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in other words, complete fucking bullshit

unique osprey
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there will be no second shadow

ripe cypress
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Ok but if they riff off of it again don't say I didn't warn you!

unique osprey
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there will be no shadow android

ripe cypress
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I don't think they'll pull it off personally

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I think it's just

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Here as a continuation of that thread

ancient moss
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yeah it sounds a lot more like "uh yeah sega is just really not sure what to do with this stuff and isnt willing to commit to one direction bc fans might not be a fan, so dont do anything that entirely writes it off" rather than "this is something we actually are keeping canon"

ripe cypress
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Shadow Gens could be completely barebones and not do anything

balmy fiber
olive vortex
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Making this shadow an android now is gonna confuse the 3 year olds

ripe cypress
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The android aspect is gone, it's the clone part that will be new

balmy fiber
unique osprey
ancient moss
unique osprey
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i just think the ambiguity in this case is meaningless because shadow's been in too many games to just say "its another one"

ripe cypress
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IT'S STILL SHADOW THO

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He went through it all!

olive vortex
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But it’s not the true shadow

ripe cypress
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What is the "true" Shadow if they have the same memories?

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His memories are one thing that had to be carried over and something he dived into again in ShTH, they have to be part of the same base

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And his Black Doom DNA

unique osprey
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so instead the skrulls were

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jarvis

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and

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spider-woman

olive vortex
ripe cypress
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Trying to make sense of that

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Skrulls are characters that replace others right

unique osprey
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yeah

ripe cypress
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"Instead the skrulls were Jarvis and Spider Woman"

olive vortex
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Skrulls were aliens in hiding

unique osprey
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there were more but the general point being that the skrulls were mainly more irrelevant characters because making major main characters skrulls would fuck things up too much

ripe cypress
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I-sure lol

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Jarvis....

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And Spider Woman...

unique osprey
olive vortex
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also saying that if u followed Spider-Man since homecoming just to find out he was a skrull the entire time kinda kills the attachment

unique osprey
lost snow
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About Shadow, yeah seeing Sonic X it doesn't have to be a girl to remind him of Maria I suppose, Chris was a kid so it worked. I'm guessing Maddie would be cool since she is in sympathy with animals, or Tom since his father could have been informed, to make Shadow reason

ancient moss
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i just think itd be kinda adding more drama onto shadow's identity as a person which frankly i think weve had enough of?

ripe cypress
unique osprey
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some of these things are more fluid than others

ripe cypress
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Yeah that's denial

unique osprey
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thats not denial

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thats pragmatism

ripe cypress
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They're going to be fluid

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With Shadow the hedgehog?

unique osprey
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i dont mean in THAT way

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im saying that this interview was recorded 4 years ago and is very specific to shadow circumstances which may or may not have shifted depending on developer intentions with upcoming projects

ripe cypress
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Four years ago was not long ago!

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Frontiers was in the middle of development!

ancient moss
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I mean it kinda was

unique osprey
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sonic movie 3 may not be canon obviously, but im sure the dawn of that movie is going to be the open door to potentially nip some things in the bud to minimize any confusion regarding characters

ancient moss
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SXSG hadn't even started development

unique osprey
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theyre not gonna preserve that ambiguity for much longer when sxsg is very explicitly a historical retelling and coming out at the same time as shadow's big cinematic debut

ripe cypress
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Iizuka himself personally went to the movie people to collaborate with them 😭

ancient moss
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This was prob specifically a question directly about the metal virus stuff with shadow and him being OOC lmao

ripe cypress
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Maekawa outright said he incorporated ambiguity as a point to SA2/Shadow

unique osprey
ancient moss
unique osprey
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iizuka outright said that there was debate within sonic team about how to handle shadow for sxsg

ripe cypress
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Toyoda is said to be proverbally carrying the torch for Maekawa

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Hence all the hype around his Shadow

olive vortex
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But do we really need to introduce the idea of him being a clone tho? Especially if it’s a child’s, probably, first time understanding the character

ripe cypress
unique osprey
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toyoda is also his own person and has his own vision for the character that, while potentially similar to maekawa in some aspects, could diverge in others

ripe cypress
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Y'all are thinking too small

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This is a character they wanted to have his own series

unique osprey
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toyoda hasnt written for shadow in a significant capacity outside of episode shadow

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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The character completely redirected away from what Sonic Team heads want and into what we want????

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A lot of this reasoning here is "I don't like this therefor it's not going to happen"

unique osprey
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thats not what i said 🗿

ripe cypress
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I didn't say that's what you said

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Sonic Team as a whole is a collective, Toyoda handles character management, Iizuka handles Shadow portrayals, who knows who else has their hands in the honey pot

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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Yeah I was going to say lol

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People keep saying that interview cites what Sonic Team thinks

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?

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???

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Read it again guys

ancient moss
ripe cypress
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How's that working out for them 🗿

balmy fiber
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Lol

ancient moss
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pretty damn good??

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like

ripe cypress
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How are they even going to see this coming?

balmy fiber
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Deleter is right on something tho

ancient moss
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at least recently

balmy fiber
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Is that they are gonna try to make shadow as much of a big deal as possible

ancient moss
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stuff is going pretty well with fan reception, story wise at the very least lol

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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No I mean them pushing for what the fans want out of Shadow

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That's not the interview plug vecort

unique osprey
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its an add on

ancient moss
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not the best shadow of all time

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but he hasnt appeared in a ton of stuff to really judge

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and he was pretty good in more recent IDW appearances imo

unique osprey
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the general gist i got from the interview (which was reaffirmed by the image here) was that sonic team themselves isnt going to always agree on what qualifies for the most accurate representation for a character. thats not to say there isnt a 'final word', but there is a internal conversation

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and those conversations play into those choices

ripe cypress
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Where is this stupid interview lol

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Donnie I beseech thee

unique osprey
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the way i see it the likely outcome of pushing shadow further into the limelight, essentially "reestablishing" him, is going to eventually cut into whatever ambiguity was present

its been like 18 years since he was explicitly a 'main character' of a game, not counting forces which, outside of episode shadow, he was barely in. if they wanted to keep up the ambiguity at this rate then sxsg wouldnt have a story mode at all. the fact that there are "deleted scenes" at all suggest that a lot is going to happen here

ripe cypress
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Buwomp

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Like I said

unique osprey
ripe cypress
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I was one of those opinions btw

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I came around tho

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I saved myself...

static elm
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Thx god

unique osprey
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you mentioned the diary's ripped out pages earlier but in the same sample we got there was a detailed description about gerald's journey to angel island

ripe cypress
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That coincidentally didn't give away any massive lore 😭 and then it jumps 15 entires into the future after the ARK was made

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People acted like that was a huge revelation when SA2 already designed the end of Canon's Core around Lost World and Angel Island

balmy fiber
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So uh yea shadow is gonna be the second face of the franchise

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Its gonna happen

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Sick of shadow? Well hes sharing rooms with sonic now

ripe cypress
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Reallllll

unique osprey
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i think so long as he keeps being an engaging character ill be fine

balmy fiber
unique osprey
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if the next open zone game comes out and he lets an orphanage burn down because eggman nega was doing a default dance nearby and he couldnt stand it then ill complain

dire quiver
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He should be the first, but second is good enough.

balmy fiber
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Sonic the Hedgehog will dominate homoeroticism

ripe cypress
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He loves the true hero path

wind frigate
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mannn what’s going on in here now

ripe cypress
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He says he's a hero in interviews

balmy fiber
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What iizuka says is that hes a dark hero

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Which makes sense

ripe cypress
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True

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But a hero nonetheless

balmy fiber
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Yep

unique osprey
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hes also not a clone! 😁

ripe cypress
unique osprey
dire quiver
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This is the second time you promise you'll change your pfp to a clown.

unique osprey
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hasnt backfired yet

quaint mountain
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Those people are boring as hell and think anything remotely cool is cringe actually and I want their rights revoked

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😠

ripe cypress
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Also if this ever happens I think it'll be in a full fledged game so we will be eating regardless

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I thought the "Dark Beginnings" short might have played around with it, but now that someone mentioned a recap video I doubt it

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Would have been cool though

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Shadow breaking into Prison Island to reach Gerald or something

static elm
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How tf did people thought this was ai

dire quiver
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A few people used AI on it to extend the image res.

meager granite
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only thing that looks kinda ai is Shadow's arm on the right of the image

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it does look wonky but i dont think they used ai

dire quiver
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Also, isn't it concept art anyway?

meager granite
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that doesnt really change anything about art quality here lol, theyre using it as promotional art too

ancient moss
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It is, and Katie said they're not using AI at all, which I do entirely believe

unique osprey
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i think this is just a screengrab of the animation

ancient moss
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AI would not be adding sonic level design roads to the BG lmao

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ancient moss
unique osprey
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i always think about this when i wonder about civilians in this world

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"NOT ANOTHER FUCKING LOOP-DE-LOOP"

dire quiver
ancient moss
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Uh idk if I'd be able to find it though

boreal canyon
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hello

balmy fiber
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Hello

boreal canyon
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call me slender man the way im collecting pages

balmy fiber
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Pages?

boreal canyon
unique osprey
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wait but the slenderman isnt the one to collect the pages

ancient moss
boreal canyon
wind frigate
boreal canyon
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im prob gonna get shot and killed for posting this at some point but oh well

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ripe cypress
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Oh ok

boreal canyon
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yea ikr

ripe cypress
boreal canyon
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will mickey mouse be in the sonic mobile game

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balmy fiber
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Nothing interesting in here anyways

wind frigate
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HOLY SHIT LIGHTNING MCQUEEN SONIC CROSSOVER??

open maple
boreal canyon
ripe cypress
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You gools

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You fools

wind frigate
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fan render spotted ‼️

open maple
wind frigate
boreal canyon
olive vortex
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Tom and Jerry

boreal canyon
olive vortex
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They wanna collab with

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Tom and Jerry

ancient moss
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I mean ngl nintendo is NEVER letting them do anything like this with mario

wind frigate
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sonicpuff girls is crazy

ripe cypress
boreal canyon
gloomy bloom
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please collab with sonic please collab with sonic please collab with sonic please col

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olive vortex
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Godzilla npc?????

ripe cypress
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Chao,... chao garden...

boreal canyon
quaint mountain
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These are all Sonc Rumble stuff, right?

ancient moss
boreal canyon
#

yea

olive vortex
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Oh ya the Tornado

boreal canyon
wind frigate
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oh…..oh no.

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ripe cypress
quaint mountain
gloomy bloom
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I gotta see the Tornado transfomer, the thing itself is one already as is

quaint mountain
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man, this is still so funny

boreal canyon
quaint mountain
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"What if Fall Guys...but Sonic! Here's a 200-slide presentation on why this good"

gloomy bloom
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is that proto rumble?

olive vortex
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EWWWW

wind frigate
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so like

boreal canyon
wind frigate
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why do we have this

olive vortex
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Pay to win elements I see

wind frigate
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More bonus!

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boreal canyon
gloomy bloom
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that's pretty good

ripe cypress
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Yeah very Fortnite

quaint mountain
wind frigate
#

man

boreal canyon
#

they seem to be pretty serious about making it so almost all content can be grinded out freely

ancient moss
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So are we assuming the chao stuff was split off to be the separate game?

wind frigate
#

i miss sonic rumble

unique osprey
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Action! Speed! Achievements!

ripe cypress
#

Me too...

olive vortex
ripe cypress
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I wanna play...

ripe cypress
olive vortex
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Ahhh

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Wait

open maple
olive vortex
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Aren’t rings also how u win

open maple
ripe cypress
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Nah that will be for the amount you keep

boreal canyon
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heres the monetization strategy

ripe cypress
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At the end of each match you bank them into your account

ancient moss
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Not the rumble battle pass

boreal canyon
#

them sega psychologists are gonna get us good

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ripe cypress
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Yeah, NOW you know why the IP like Mickey and Goku are so important lol

quaint mountain
unique osprey
ripe cypress
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Imagine Mario shows up

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Imagine how many people pay for that battle pass

azure trail
ancient moss
azure trail
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like, where did it leak I mean

boreal canyon
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just assume its from me

azure trail
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okey dokey

quaint mountain
#

They combined both at the end and go "limiting it to cosmetics and banking more rings at the end (which doesn't involve actual score during the game) is how you still have the play2win game"

boreal canyon
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if some shit happens because of me posting it, i will take the fall

unique osprey
boreal canyon
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and won't try to deflect blame or anything

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i know exactly what im doing and dont care

azure trail
unique osprey
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not sure how i feel about the predatory in-app purchase practices though 🤔

ripe cypress
#

Why is it predatory

ancient moss
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I hate it but couldn't really see myself expecting anything else

ripe cypress
#

It's a free game

ancient moss
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Mobile games just be like that

ripe cypress
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It's not gatcha

north vault
ripe cypress
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LMAO

boreal canyon
ancient moss
#

THIS WOULD ACTUALLY BE PEAK THOUGH

ripe cypress
#

REAL

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And Ultraman...

unique osprey
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😭

boreal canyon
#

also plug did you ever get my late ping in the games channel

ripe cypress
#

Godzilla stage hazard...

boreal canyon
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about the screenshots to use

quaint mountain
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I think the one thing I'm not a fan of is them mentioning ads and relying on them, but I HOPE those are relegated to just bonus rewards or whatever

ripe cypress
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They could add stages based off IP

north vault
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Genuinely insane seeing it a line away from Power Rangers too, just call it Sentai cmon don’t break up the gang like that

ripe cypress
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Music remixes

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Of other IP

ancient moss
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Toei spider-man gets to planet spider and its just filled with the spider guardians from sonic frontiers

quaint mountain
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and not "beat a match, have an ad, have malware, burn your phone battery, die"

unique osprey
boreal canyon
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ok just makin sure

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dont post anything outside of those screenshots, bc some things that i said + some of the other screenshots arent publicly available info (like the iizuka thing) and i dont wanna start stuff lol

ripe cypress
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Nah he mentioned Iizuka publicly

unique osprey
north vault
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NO

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NO NO JUST REAKISED

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IF THEY DO PR/SENTAI

ripe cypress
north vault
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THEY CAN DO IT

ripe cypress
boreal canyon
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oh ok

north vault
boreal canyon
#

cool

north vault
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THEY CAN ADD HIM

unique osprey
#

he translates it personally??

ripe cypress
#

Yeah 😭

boreal canyon
#

yeah he does

open maple
ripe cypress
gloomy bloom
ripe cypress
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Oh wait no mention of rumble

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Mb

boreal canyon
#

anyways, back to what i was doin

ripe cypress
#

Here's the one where he mentioned Rumble

boreal canyon
#

i really do not remember if i posted this one already

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i probably did idk

north vault
boreal canyon
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but i think thats enough for now, personally

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either way i think its very interesting to see their thought process behind this game

gloomy bloom
boreal canyon
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wouldve been cool to see a doc like this for frontiers or even forces tho

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just for the sake of insight

north vault
ancient moss
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Like, that chao garden thing I feel isn't happening?