Cause from what I’m looking it seems like he was the first person to leak that 1-2 Switch was getting a sequel. And we didnt find out the full story till 4 months later by Imran Khan
#Sonic Rumours & Speculation
spiral sky
spiral sky
He also seems to be the first person to leak the name “Sonic Toys Party”
wind frigate
because apparently sonic fans were harrassing midori and saying he was right?
steep sequoia
The fan base literally hates him.
I can’t see much of a reason for that to happen.
ancient moss
the thing is zippo 100% had some accurate sources. he also liked to extrapolate info from those sources, which basically ends up with him making shit up based on vague true things, which often turns out wrong.
balmy fiber
Yep
wind frigate
its likely that it was probably a few zippo glazers who shat on her
and that somehow extended to: sonic fans
balmy fiber
Yep
ancient moss
the thing is zippo 100% had some accurate sources. he also liked to extrapolate ...
and also he was incredibly annoying about doing it lmao
balmy fiber
Its terrible
azure trail
yea
steep sequoia
I’m also guessing that heroes remake isn’t happening either, lol.
open maple
I’m also guessing that heroes remake isn’t happening either, lol.
Not quite
Midori said it was being considered
but it was not like it is in actual development
balmy fiber
Honestly sadly that doesnt mean much
steep sequoia
Ahh, I see.
ancient moss
according to TSS it isn't, midori said it was just being considered yeah
balmy fiber
Cuz it could be very much be canned
steep sequoia
And Zippo said it was confirmed, right?
balmy fiber
Yep
azure trail
planning
steep sequoia
And that’s why this all started?
wind frigate
pretty much
open maple
yeah, zippo was the one who said it was confirmed
but Midori clarified it was merely being considered to be done
balmy fiber
Yep
ancient moss
nah i think zippo said it even more vaguely?
wind frigate
he stretched the truth
ancient moss
like he brought up sa1 and sa2 along with heroes
balmy fiber
Midori corrected him, and he called bs on that
wind frigate
like he brought up sa1 and sa2 along with heroes
i was in a server with him
he said it was heroes
and that it was in development
ancient moss
oh nvm then
steep sequoia
Yikes.
wind frigate
zippo's been banned from here btw
open maple
Yeah, the admins say this wasmerely the last straw
steep sequoia
Oh.
ripe cypress
nah i think zippo said it even more vaguely?
??? He made an entire blog post on Heroes
open maple
that they had reasons before hand to ban him
steep sequoia
I see.
ancient moss
??? He made an entire blog post on Heroes
oh i mustve missed that then mb lmao
steep sequoia
I know Jane’s happy, lol.
balmy fiber
Im not gonna be count ny chickens but i bet it stretches back to 2022
wind frigate
anyways yeah
zippo fucked up, midori's gone, and currently him and sonic fans are public enemy number one for the atlus community
steep sequoia
Tomorrow’s a Thursday right?
open maple
yeah
steep sequoia
Maybe if we’re being hopeful about it.
I saw that things were happening within its SteamDB page too.
wind frigate
im expecting stuff come geoff's summer games shitshow
but maybe that's too long? idk
open maple
I can see us getting bits of info around this month
balmy fiber
Yea thats too late ig
open maple
but by june is actually full gear
balmy fiber
I am so curious to actually see the game and be like omg this is a full game and not a epiosde shadow thing
wind frigate
i just really hope we get new renders and key art man 😭
balmy fiber
We will
steep sequoia
Not sure if we’ll get renders, I don’t know if SCU got any.
slate thorn
Twitter
steep sequoia
But we’ll get different key art.
slate thorn
Yeesh
balmy fiber
It did
steep sequoia
Did it?
balmy fiber
Also shadow gens is a new game too
So it has to get renders of shadow and black doom
steep sequoia
Ahh, right.
Wonder what the music’ll be like, since the trailer music was royalty free.
I’m guessing either hard rock or for them to experiment more with rock and edm.
ripe cypress
https://twitter.com/WalmartCAGaming/status/1772783094879207577
We're done for now
ripe cypress
So it has to get renders of shadow and black doom
They will need to be FIRE if they wanna walk with the Goat
wind frigate
Wonder what the music’ll be like, since the trailer music was royalty free.
i hope we get a vocal theme for it
johnny already said crush 40 isn't doing one
ripe cypress
awww
wind frigate
so maybe kellin please 
ripe cypress
is generations
balmy fiber
Oh no at it again
ripe cypress
vocal themes are banned
steep sequoia
johnny already said crush 40 isn't doing one
That’s a shame.
ripe cypress
wind frigate
https://youtu.be/23CcC7t4cNA?si=PHQXGEMGeJ-QA7Jk permanently in my head
azure trail
Wonder what the music’ll be like, since the trailer music was royalty free.
probably close to that one
just like the og shadow game
azure trail
send
wind frigate
that was supposed to be a menu theme for shadow the hedgehog 2
steep sequoia
Would’ve loved to hear that.
wind frigate
it was just a shitty guitar rift looping but with echoes at the end 💀
azure trail
redoit!!
wind frigate
lost world jumpscare
azure trail
my beloved lw
azure trail
which one?
steep sequoia
Probably the reveal trailer?
azure trail
I think so
random portal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUf50dY5ccU
Loved this trailer, I knew exactly where I was when I first saw it
wind frigate
you think they're gonna start using "from the team who brought you sonic generations and sonic frontiers" 😭
azure trail
will never forget that guy in the sonic party screaming THE RESISTANCE
azure trail
you think they're gonna start using "from the team who brought you sonic generat...
no lmfao
wind frigate
azure trail
at the time that was used bc of boom
just to tell you it was made by the main team and no external one
just so people were like oh nice
ig
wind frigate
this forces trailers brings memories
it was the first time i started following the marketing for sonic games
regrettably 
warm basin
zippo fucked up, midori's gone, and currently him and sonic fans are public enem...
Can I said that I hate that megaten community start blaming sonic fans
wind frigate
huh
warm basin
Like hat sonic fans are even do
wind frigate
your messages are a little wonky 💀
warm basin
Oh sorry
wind frigate
its fine lol
azure trail
also this frame being used everywhere lmfaoo
wind frigate
but yeah its ironic
smt and especially persona fans hate when like two people make their entire community look bad
and yet they'll do it themselves the second they get the chance
ancient moss
all fandoms are the same its so tiring man
steep sequoia
Midori was a large figure in the SMT community, so I get being upset.
The Sonic side probably only ever knew her as that one Persona leaker, but she was actually a community figure too.
Still, sucks to be part of the blame.
ancient moss
i think the thing is, if you want to stay as a community member of any community, but also post leaks about stuff, you do kinda have to keep in mind the whole thing could fall apart at some point?
slate thorn
Mm
ancient moss
like as much as you can blame anyone else on this, i think saying "if they didn't leak stuff they would've stayed as a normal person in the community" isn't wrong?
steep sequoia
I don’t think that’s really the point.
slate thorn
Utmost care would be required, but I don't think so
steep sequoia
She was an insider who also happened to be a fan like us.
And so she’d occasionally do stuff with us.
slate thorn
It's the attitude behind it think.
steep sequoia
That’s all it really comes down to.
I’m sure she was aware something like this would happen eventually, though. She’s pretty bold.
wind frigate
true
she doesn't do riddler type shit like pyoro
she will dump whole details ahead of announcements
ancient moss
yeah but like, the "insider" part, as in leaking stuff, is kinda the reason this happened. regardless of the way you leak stuff, its always basically just for clout.
steep sequoia
I won’t pretend to know her personally, but I never got the impression it’s solely for clout.
slate thorn
She enjoyed seeing people excited I think.
ancient moss
idk man again i can't say anything about atlus leaks but just sending the URL to a site of an announced sonic game is like, very much clout seeking behaviour imo
ancient moss
there is literally no other reason for leaking stuff though i feel?
like you can be less annoying about it, and she was for sure
ripe cypress
It's simply information to be documented if it's not for clout
Looking at it the wrong way in that case
ancient moss
It's simply information to be documented if it's not for clout
but none of this info is stuff that needed to be said at the point in time that it was
ancient moss
like if you leak info about cancelled games etc i have 0 issues
wraith willow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKjC14kBqVs
I want another event like this
ancient moss
but leaking stuff that's about to be announced is dumb
ripe cypress
Knowing what moves a company is going to make, what engines they will use, etc
ripe cypress
like if you leak info about cancelled games etc i have 0 issues
Nah that's a step too far
wraith willow
Sxsw is gone
ancient moss
Nah that's a step too far
i mean this about like, games that are cancelled and the company isn't sharing anything about them itself. That, or scrapped content for existing games.
like, the nintendo gigaleak was entirely fine and hurt nobody
wraith willow
Zippo hurt midori
ripe cypress
Who is getting hurt with projects that haven't even fully started yet
ancient moss
The people starting the projects?
ripe cypress
How?
ancient moss
Like marketing strategies are very reliant on stuff being presented how it's supposed to
wraith willow
Marketing
azure trail
but
ancient moss
Leaks kinda force them to rethink or redo a lot of that
azure trail
I feel like sometimes the fanbase can go too far
ripe cypress
Like marketing strategies are very reliant on stuff being presented how it's sup...
Marketing for a game that hasn't even fully started development
steep sequoia
yeah but like, the "insider" part, as in leaking stuff, is kinda the reason this...
After she gave out disappointed details about a game and the community got upset and started pinning blame on the producer and the developers, she went out of her way to clarify that there isn’t any blame to be placed and explained to avoid confusion and further potential harassment.
I don’t think someone, leaker or not, would do that much if they were simply just looking for clout.
wraith willow
Marketing won't do shit
azure trail
and when you just want to chill they bash u telling you you dont care about the franchise
and is like
wtf
steep sequoia
I’m not saying something like that isn’t a factor, but to reduce it to that seems kind of shallow.
ancient moss
Marketing for a game that hasn't even fully started development
Sure but say it does go into development and a year from now you see a sonic heroes remake trailer. Your reaction would likely be less enthusiastic if you didn't know about it beforehand right?
wind frigate
frame who are you even waffling to 😭
azure trail
what does the ass has to do with the eyelash
ancient moss
After she gave out disappointed details about a game and the community got upset...
Yeah and that specific kind of info also isn't damaging, but she also clearly leaked other stuff in a way less respectful way lmao
steep sequoia
Like?
ripe cypress
Sure but say it does go into development and a year from now you see a sonic her...
So the hurt comes from the surprise being known several years ahead of time, rather than a year away from release in time. The effect of surprise and the leverage that marketing people can use to manipulate and gain sales
wind frigate
i feel that
ancient moss
Shedding light on the industry and reasons things are happening is usually good! Saying that there's gonna be a chao mobile game before it gets announced, therefore majorly changing fan perspective is less good!
wind frigate
would it really though
slate thorn
If that guy didn't send that stuff to Zippo things wouldn't be like this.
ripe cypress
Shedding light on the industry and reasons things are happening is usually good!...
What 😭
wraith willow
Well
wraith willow
Gamerguyd
wraith willow
What if he did it
steep sequoia
Shedding light on the industry and reasons things are happening is usually good!...
My point is that someone who would only be doing it for clout wouldn’t care to give reasons for why developers or producers or companies make the decisions they make.
On top of that, I don’t think it changes perception as much as you think. Hearing about something is one thing, but seeing it with your own two eyes and making judgements for yourself is another.
ancient moss
So the hurt comes from the surprise being known several years ahead of time, rat...
Yeah, as in, it is hurting marketing people's careers by betraying NDAs and trust
slate thorn
What if he did it
No one's stupid enough to send information to GamerGuyd
wind frigate
give mr female open zone the details
slate thorn
But someone was stupid enough to send information to Sonic Show.
wind frigate
for sure
slate thorn
And someone was stupid enough to send Zippo information.
wind frigate
dawg why the sonic show 💀
ancient moss
Sure but the people who know a sonic heroes game is being developed 100% have an NDA lmao
wind frigate
why HIM lmao
ancient moss
Yeah but the information being out there inevitably hurts the marketing people a year from now
ripe cypress
And I think that's pearl clutching
wind frigate
I don't really see how tbh
ancient moss
And it's not like these leaks stop as we get closer to release
wraith willow
Mainline ain't leaked
wind frigate
I mean
wind frigate
p3r leaked like twice 😭
but that didn't hurt it's marketing cycle
or stopped the game from being the fastest selling atlus game
ripe cypress
If anything it caused quite a bit of a stir
wind frigate
people knew about it for ages before it was revealed
ancient moss
Yeah and I feel like that's not good?
wind frigate
you can feel that
ancient moss
Like didn't people complain about leaked visuals despite them being early
And leaked
wind frigate
but i don't think it's hurting things like you're saying
wraith willow
People knew about jsr
wind frigate
in any case, maybe it helps things sell better if i want to argue that since it gets more attention
wraith willow
This
wind frigate
im not gonna pretend im in love with leaks
ripe cypress
I think people decide when they like them or don't like them
wind frigate
it would've been cool to know a p3 remake was coming and get surprised by it when announced
same with sonic x shadow
ripe cypress
Rather than have a hard and fast stance that's consistant
wind frigate
that would've been crazy to see live blind
but i don't think the argument you're making makes a ton of sense
ancient moss
Idk I think a strong trailer reveal will always be better for immediate fan reception than a twitter user going "btw mario 89 will be releasing on switch 2 tomorrow"
wraith willow
I like surprises
wind frigate
it'll leave a stronger impression to begin with tho?
wind frigate
Someone spouting words isn't gonna have the same effect as a good ass trailer
wraith willow
They are 50 50
wind frigate
example
azure trail
dont you guys find it weird that
wind frigate
literally sxsg 😭
wind frigate
we heard it about it like a few days beforehand and had near zero hopes for it
azure trail
or even idk how the next game idea could be
ancient moss
Yeah but I'm saying that the effect of the trailer was significantly downplayed bc of the leak
azure trail
are they really hiding it that much or maybe is it not the time
wind frigate
and then we saw it and were like "woah this looks sick actually!!"
in that case
it was amplified
ancient moss
It was still well received but people would've been way more positive and surprised if they didn't know the title and premise beforehand
ripe cypress
we wouldn't have been looking for Sonic Gens trailer without the leaks
too many people would have missed it
wind frigate
It was still well received but people would've been way more positive and surpri...
i'd argue the opposite
ripe cypress
Not as many live reactions
ancient moss
See here's the thing: I feel like the sonic acc would've rted
ripe cypress
ancient moss
Something
About state of play
But that leak changed the marketing strategy bc it would basically just confirm the leak and leave the announcement even less surprising
So they didn't
warm basin
Like didn't people complain about leaked visuals despite them being early
They don't change between leak and release lmao
ripe cypress
Head on a Block saying that the footage looked different 😭
ancient moss
OK so maybe that was a bad example but did you see how people reacted to wolverine gameplay
wind frigate
but they spent a long time localizing the game for a worldwide release
ripe cypress
OK so maybe that was a bad example but did you see how people reacted to wolveri...
as if it's going to be relevant by the time they actually announce it
wraith willow
I miss e3
ancient moss
I think it is!
steep sequoia
I mean if it is relevant, I feel like the conversation would be around how much better it looks, wouldn’t it?
ancient moss
I think the fact that major mechanics etc are known so early will massively impact fan enthusiasm closer to release!
steep sequoia
I mean if it is relevant, I feel like the conversation would be around how much ...
That’s not really a bad thing.
warm basin
OK so maybe that was a bad example but did you see how people reacted to wolveri...
Yea but it's not leaks problem it's problem with people and their stupidity
ancient moss
It's both
ripe cypress
The ACTUAL bad thing about leaks is the employee data and source code leaking
ancient moss
Also that leak was done entirely immorally and for significantly worse reasons tho
ripe cypress
Actual harm
ancient moss
Yeah it was blackmail
steep sequoia
I’m not arguing that leaks are good, you don’t have to like them. I really don’t like them sometimes myself.
By 9/10 times it’ll do nothing to the game’s performance or marketing unless it’s something of actual harm to it.
wind frigate
ik for a fact the kh community are begging for a leak about now 💀
ripe cypress
Saying "leaks good" or "leaks bad" 100% would be a poor position to be in, even you yourself admitted it's convenient when a company is hiding information that is no longer accessible or would otherwise never see the light of day
azure trail
I’m not arguing that leaks are good, you don’t have to like them. I really don’t...
like the spiderman leak for example
ancient moss
Saying "leaks good" or "leaks bad" 100% would be a poor position to be in, even ...
Yeah bc I think that's specifically the main difference
Between what makes a leak fine or not
ripe cypress
And to me these are fine leaks
Because nothing is massively being effected
Tangible harm is minimal
How will marketing go through with Jet Set Radio marketing after the public knows about it? Who knows, we've already seen some of it
Not relevant to me
warm basin
I’m not arguing that leaks are good, you don’t have to like them. I really don’t...
Yeah like remember when GTA 6 trailer was leaked 14 hours before it should be upload officially
Many people was disappointed with it but trailer still set records for views
ripe cypress
Just like how we don't care if a prototype Nintendo would rather not see the light of day gets unearthed
ripe cypress
L is real
azure trail
L was real
ancient moss
Idk man its just the entire leak culture is contributing the the consensus that games are simply content to be consumed as fast as possible regardless of the authors' intent.
steep sequoia
That’s, a take. A fair one at that.
ancient moss
We don't need to be presented with the info in the intended way, we just need to know it as early as possible.
steep sequoia
But I don’t know if it’s that black or white.
ripe cypress
And the opposite of that would be that marketing culture is a game of profit and accrual of users for capital gain, exploiting human interest even if they do not actually need to purchase it nor are actually a good match for the crafted experience
azure trail
lmfaooo
ancient moss
And the opposite of that would be that marketing culture is a game of profit and...
I feel like both are bad tho at the end of the day?
ripe cypress
Yes!
ancient moss
But marketing also doesn't necessarily have to be this
Very often, it is pretty direct and straightforward
ancient moss
Well, I'd argue it's necessary for a similar reason as it is in many stories
At the end of the day creating a good trailer is a form of art itself
ripe cypress
The trailer will still stand, the art involved in a trailer itself.... uuuuuuuuuuh
Idk if that's a position I'd ever want to stand on
Honestly
The fact that we all look back at these trailers is cool and all
All the hype
All the CGI
wind frigate
all the broken dreams
ripe cypress
But when all the memories of "that was so amazing" is just another piece in a production line to get you to buy thing?
It's a bitter aftertaste for me
wind frigate
something something dead island trailer
ancient moss
I'd argue a marketing cycle is a form of storytelling generally.
You can have a story start with a pretty large, cool premise, but then end up having a very bad anticlimactic ending
steep sequoia
Dead island trailer?
wind frigate
have you not seen the dead island trailer
steep sequoia
.
azure trail
I mean
steep sequoia
No?
azure trail
and they pulled pre orders up
ripe cypress
I'm fine with people being pissed that something that they wanted to be surprised by got spoiled, that happens every Nintendo Direct so it's basically the most routine thing of all time by this point. But the degree of investment that is placed in that marketing cycle, and in turn the degree of resentment that is directed at the leaks (which is much more valid when it's done for clout imo yeah) is strange to behold
The story of a product being revealed is not the failure of storytelling the average person should be massively upset about
ancient moss
I definitely don't think it's bad to nearly the same degree to be clear
Like I think the way I've been talking about it makes it seem like I hate leaks more than I do
I just find them kinda shitty but nothing extremely bad
ripe cypress
It depends on the leak if it's shitty imo
The most important aspect of leaks is revealing information that companies would prefer to keep hidden to the average joe, and how useful that information is, and imo the sega leaks so far have been incredibly helpful in providing a clear picture moving forwards
ancient moss
I 100% agree with this regarding a lot of sega leaks, but there's a lot where I'd say this doesn't apply
ripe cypress
Albeit in one form that simply contributed to the same end-goal as successful marketing for the business, since foresight of the company's plans can enable people to want to become a shareholder 👀
If people holding midori up on a pedestal is problematic, that's worth pointing out I suppose. But a lot of what can be said towards the situation doesn't feel like it sticks, or is earned in my eyes
steep sequoia
If people holding midori up on a pedestal is problematic, that's worth pointing ...
Honestly even if she is being put on a pedestal, it’s not really just because she leaks, like pyoro maybe.
She was also just chill and funny with the community too.
wind frigate
like i said before, she helped with the efforts of datamining the P5 beta discs that were found
translating in a discord vc with the max amount of people in it who are also fans and curious
she gave big details a lot of the time and she'll probably be most known for that
but idk, she was nice to have around
steep sequoia
Oh god, lol.
wind frigate
the classic
open maple
that one tweet telling people that they can date in persona
What was that tweet about?
azure trail
"I already have bf so I dont need dates right now but you can date in persona so stay with that until then"
wind frigate
period simulator was also pretty good 😭
open maple
steep sequoia
Period simulator??
ripe cypress
Davih cameo incoming
azure trail
where
wind frigate
Period simulator??
azure trail
fkqfl;qw
azure trail
the davih brainrot
ripe cypress
my bad
azure trail
maybe it was in the tweet asking for ue5
ripe cypress
oh right
steep sequoia
I love how she’ll just make shitpost tweets for the hell of it and it’d get over 300k views.
wraith willow
sayonara madori
mystic linden
Glad more people are realizing how full of shit Zippo was
slate thorn
Well
Zippo wasn't wrong, per se. Information wise I mean.
He clearly knew stuff, he just wasn't good at conveying what he knew.
And as far as I can tell the fellow who gave them information reenforced what he already knew and decided to use that.
Thus, we have what happened yesterday and the day before.
One of the things that irks me about it is
I don't think it's something that ever should've been publicly said.
It's not like Toy Party, that whole thing was pretty wild in its own way but Heroes as far as I could tell wasn't even set in stone
I don't think there's been a situation like this before, where something so far off was confirmed by several people
Zippo talked about it like there were more details than there were clearly, and Midori, a woman of facts, was conflicted about it.
I don't really know the fire that lit up on Twitter, I got there a couple hours after Midori said she would leave the platform,
but I think too many people are dogpiling Zippo without understanding why what Zippo did was irresponsible.
I was looking at the blog and that PSO post was salt in the wound too, in his address he specified that he heard about that months ago.
So all this stuff he knows she would be concerned about, he said was stuff he knew, clearly were things reinforced by that guy.
It's a complicated looking scenario.
This is all speculation
steep sequoia
It's honestly worse for me since zippo is the only one that says anything over phantasy star related (Both Phantasy Star V and PSO), so I am far more hestitated to mention about it anywhere else
slate thorn
Bless.
quaint mountain
I've said this throughout the years both publicly here and semi-privately in one of the other chats that the way in which he does those blog posts or the way he "provides" "info" in such a vague way won't do anyone anything good. I've said that it'd be better if he stopped being vague about shit and actually filter the info he's getting or just shut up.
When I told him that, he got pissy about it and booted me off that chat. Which I kinda get, I was very blunt and somewhat aggressive about it, but it also kinda showed that he just cannot handle any real criticism. It's been a thing in Stadium forums (where he's been banned for 'pretending to be an insider'), it's been a thing at resetera (also banned for the same thing). So, like, I had my valid reasons to not put up with him and, at the risk of being put on blast, was very disappointed that he was given somewhat of a privileged position in this server for a while.
Maybe this shitshow will finally make something click in his brain, but who knows at this point.
slate thorn
Maybe this shitshow will finally make something click in his brain, but who know...
No.
Watch in the next 24 hours and something goes down.
What a goddamn mess
balmy fiber
Yea like, lots of us were hoping he would have been stopped back in june 2022 where the "Sonic Frontiers: It Gets Worse" blog post happend
slate thorn
Ahh... June 1st, 2022.
steep sequoia
That shit was not needed at all I’m sorry
balmy fiber
That was just straight up immature fearmongering sonic fans
slate thorn
I remember it like yesterday.
balmy fiber
He made this place hell
slate thorn
That shit was not needed at all I’m sorry
Sorry
balmy fiber
He made the fanbase hell
steep sequoia
Nah your good
slate thorn
He made this place hell
Nah man, not only that, it was the reaction of the footage itself
slate thorn
Remember, May 31st, 2022.
slate thorn
IGN put up a teaser, it was super well recieved.
balmy fiber
Things would change, things would click, like oh thats how this game can be fun
slate thorn
After the glory was over people started looking harder, and things got very
very
very
heated
balmy fiber
The footage just showed sonic jogging around and it wasnt exciting
slate thorn
TC was dead that evening.
slate thorn
The footage just showed sonic jogging around and it wasnt exciting
Yeah, the game turned out to be fun when it came out
balmy fiber
Then, Zippo just for his good old clout
slate thorn
But God, I don't think people changed their minds until August with the story trailer.
slate thorn
No it was the Nintendo Direct trailer, I got convinced with Story trailer.
balmy fiber
Just to cause problems
vale raft
Made things worse
didn't he come here and rub it in?
steep sequoia
Yeah the Nintendo direct helped a lot
slate thorn
Cause people were like, the game looks shit, Critikal and Mutahar too
It literally was very rough
June 1st, I ain't never gonna forget TC's disscussion
vale raft
im genuinely hoping this doesn't happen again though
slate thorn
Cause at least 10 regulars logged off for weeks
balmy fiber
But he unnecessarily made things worse
slate thorn
im genuinely hoping this doesn't happen again though
I'm surprised this hasn't happen because of what just happened
slate thorn
they got a LOT of people on board post tga
Right?
balmy fiber
Like literally telling us that things wouldnt be good for YEARS
slate thorn
December 2021...
The call we had was so good
I was in my grandmother's house, on call with you all and we were just speculating and talking about Sonic 2
One of my best nights on TC
wind frigate
I should read this frontiers blog you guys keep talking about
north vault
Idk man its just the entire leak culture is contributing the the consensus that ...
Late to the convo a bit but I think there’s also the fact not a single “leaker” or “insider” alive holds a candle to a whistleblower
slate thorn
Deadly true.
north vault
Like if you have knowledge of a company treating their employees like shit and new sonic game #47, yet the latter is the most important one for you to share? Immediately in the bin
balmy fiber
Zippo acted ridiculously cocky just cuz he knew shit we didnt
slate thorn
No, it's not just that.
north vault
But alas, the former doesn’t give enough clout and 15 seconds of fame, and that’s all folks like zippo wanted at the end of the day
balmy fiber
It wouldnt be so bad if that wasnt the case
quaint mountain
Like if you have knowledge of a company treating their employees like shit and n...
Jason Schreier with Blizzard be like
slate thorn
He knew more stuff because someone told him stuff they shouldn't have.
wind frigate
ah okay
slate thorn
Then, he used that actual founded information to reinforce what he had and put up shit mixed with falacies.
north vault
then going “oh well I didn’t want to be known as an insider!!” afterwards, knowing he could stop at any time but simply not
slate thorn
So, he said things like UE5 only from here on out, Heroes in 2027, so on so on
north vault
so immensely telling of his character
balmy fiber
Thats not just it fiz.
north vault
like, above all else, he was simply a cunt at the end of the day lol
slate thorn
Even though I think Midori said there isn't even a development cycle going rn
wind frigate
you guys said the it gets worse blog
vale raft
I don't think that's the blog we're talking about
it is
that was the final straw for lots here
quaint mountain
*blogpost, my bad
slate thorn
Nor a release year.
So, even with that information he was given he fucked up.
Zippo's blogs had their issues for a long.
long time
wind frigate
also found this while scrolling 
balmy fiber
Lol
slate thorn
also found this while scrolling <:Laugh:621802722190164009>
I've heard rumblings about that.
balmy fiber
He talked about issues at sega and how development was a mess and sonic is in deep trouble
slate thorn
It's gonna happen, just not 2025.
balmy fiber
And it just fearmongered the whole fanbase with his "scoop"
slate thorn
But, I can't even really be sure anymore.
slate thorn
And it just fearmongered the whole fanbase with his "scoop"
Well, I mean, that's what he did with that remake post too.
balmy fiber
It has been a while so i dont remember the details
slate thorn
It looked to me that he wanted to steal thunder from Sonic Show.
So, people hopped on that immediately after Toy Party.
balmy fiber
But he was around here
steep sequoia
I feel like the problem is more so that is how he worded things as a leaker
balmy fiber
And we were pissed off at him
@north vault do you remember more what happend exactly?
slate thorn
I feel like the problem is more so that is how he worded things as a leaker
That's one of my main criticisms really.
steep sequoia
Where it cause some reactions that becomes very negative
Frontiers is infamous for this because of zippo
slate thorn
Not only that, that information was clearly something that was supposed to be underground at least for another two or three years.
steep sequoia
Pretty much
slate thorn
He shouldn't have even narrowed down to four options
Then he confirmed it literally the same day.
It was almost kinda bait I'd think cause people were like,
MIDORI CONFIRM PLZ?????
then Zippo confirmed himself, then a few others did, then she did
She didn't initially I'm assuming because it was so risky to even say.
steep sequoia
Pretty much
slate thorn
Nah it ain't bait, that's a little out of pocket, but it's proverbial bait it kinda just happened.
Her ideology to confirm and his info being put up worked together for this concoction
It's not a matter of whether she should've decided to ignore it either I think.
It wsa on ZIppo for saying such an underground thing. With uncertain details.
Literally the worst thing you can do, something true that's very secret that's riddled with uncertainties and a huge amount of people seeing that and believing it.
steep sequoia
Yeah that alone caused too much issue
slate thorn
Especially a day after Toy Party.
slate thorn
I saw a thing that said this guy had his name and address and they'd leak it in a week.
I'm scared about the possibility of that being true.
north vault
<@210824601058410496> do you remember more what happend exactly?
It’s less so he did that, moreso he did this after a couple months of essentially going “everything is fine frontiers will be pretty good!” IIRC
slate thorn
I also hope Midori isn't in danger offline.
north vault
then the first footage came out and he IMMEDIATELY heel turned
slate thorn
No one wins here.
steep sequoia
Yeah I hope midori is safe
balmy fiber
CONSTANTLY SAYING FRONTIERS WAS GOOD ONLY FOR HIM TO TURN AROUND AND SAY THE OPPOSITE RIGHT AFTER WE GOT THAT TRAILER
slate thorn
I wasn't looking at Zippo's posts for June 1st I don't think.
balmy fiber
We were like "you said it would be good"
north vault
like from that point it was so clear he was just seeing what we saw and reacting off that, nothing more
balmy fiber
And he just shrugged
Except his reactions mattered for us as an insider
And the whole adding up with sega internal issues just what made multiple people leave
slate thorn
His leak ideology was just conflicting with his job as a leaker
There's a certain attitude you take.
You can't be a leaker... and play with things like that in that way.
steep sequoia
Agreed
slate thorn
Whether you like it or not you're now a mouthpiece for the public, and thus you're responsible to use that power correctly.
dry sorrel
someone in Zippo's position should be very careful in how they present confidential information to the public
vale raft
I also hope Midori isn't in danger offline.
yeah, she could very well get in trouble because of what she posted
slate thorn
That's why Midori left I think.
steep sequoia
It’s most likely is
slate thorn
She took that seriously, and she couldn't do so properly with all this stuff happening.
Zippo said some forbidden stuff that got too big for her to shut down.
steep sequoia
Midori never mention about heroes until zippo posted that blog
slate thorn
Yeah.
No, not only that.
No one mentioned it.
I'm sure it's been heard. I'm sure Zippo knew for a while too.
But no one said a goddamn word, and for some reason he decided to let it all out on the 25th and risk people's jobs
vale raft
Zippo said some forbidden stuff that got too big for her to shut down.
could be
she didn't elaborate on why she left despite the timing
slate thorn
She did
Some idiot she told trusted Zippo with stuff they were told and Zippo took from that and mixed it with some inaccuracies.
So, it was a breach.
Zippo isn't the only one at fault.
He was just irresponsible enough to drop this like this.
None of this would've happened though if whomever she told kept shut.
lost plume
Didn't Zippo say Metal would be playable in SCU as a skin, I swear he said some shit like that
lost plume
HA
random portal
Well that was scrapped but Metal was gonna have a skin
vale raft
He was just irresponsible enough to drop this like this.
None of this would've h...
i'm guessing this individual is the one who shared the toys party footage with tss/tc
steep sequoia
I don't ever heard anyone mentioning Metal will be playable in SCU
dry sorrel
yeah
slate thorn
I don't know
vale raft
from what i gathered david dakiii and the like referenced the heroes thing as "something else" they gathered
steep sequoia
but regardless I feel like Zippo should stop doing blogs from now on
After with Heroes he is in trouble way too much
vale raft
but regardless I feel like Zippo should stop doing blogs from now on
should've stopped a forever ago...
steep sequoia
He could have yes
vale raft
bro was lying through his teeth
steep sequoia
But this one is way too much
balmy fiber
Ok since zippo is fucking duped
steep sequoia
Mentioning a game that is not already in development is a huge red flag
slate thorn
Go off I guess
balmy fiber
I think Zippo did that one
steep sequoia
People were hyping it over because of Shadow
steep sequoia
I KID LMAO
balmy fiber
Anyways
vale raft
I think Zippo did that one
he said it was real and sega did an investigation on it
balmy fiber
Uh huh
slate thorn
Sonic 5 was Superstars.
balmy fiber
Let me please continue :)
steep sequoia
Nah Sonic 5 was true in a way
slate thorn
He was right
steep sequoia
but yes anyways
slate thorn
But tjat's the fucking problem
You can't call it Sonic 5
It ain't called Sonic 5, just say it's an unnannounced 2d sonic
ffs
Cause people right now are like, Sonic 5 wasn't true
Of course it wasn't it isn't called Sonic 5 Zippo
steep sequoia
It's why I am very worried about PSO reboot and Phantasy Star V because they might not even true too due to Zippo and no other leakers are mentioning them
quaint mountain
It ain't called Sonic 5, just say it's an unnannounced 2d sonic
Here's a funny thing - he did later on
But he also said it'd have modern-styled characters, which was false unless you count LEGOs lmao
slate thorn
It's why I am very worried about PSO reboot and Phantasy Star V because they mig...
I'm pretty sure it's real, it's just that Midori isn't here anymore to confirm
Which is good.
Because it could risk. A lot.
More than there already is.
steep sequoia
Yeah and honestly the series really need this risk
slate thorn
Here's a funny thing - he did later on
But he also said it'd have modern-styled...
Peachy
steep sequoia
yeah the modern styled chars cause many people to assume it's advance
urban scroll
Still waiting on that 2024 olympics game
quaint mountain
Puh
steep sequoia
I feel like it's in switch 2 at this point
urban scroll
lost plume
friend took a shit, looked at his SEGA™️ laptop...
it had sonic 6 with the station square statue man and captain whisker
shadow the hedgehog 2, which is a cod zombies asset flip
jet set radio 2, they just made it into a rhythm game for no reason what the fuck
persona 6, homophobia got ramped up to an 11
sonic free fall, freedom fighters are back and sally acorn is so fuckung hot god i love her holy fuck uggfggghhhhhhh god
urban scroll
I've waited too long to play peak mid, hurry it up!
vale raft
friend took a shit, looked at his SEGA™️ laptop...
it had sonic 6 with the stat...
no no that's where you're WRONG
slate thorn
I've waited too long to play peak mid, hurry it up!
I said that when I waited five years for Frontiers
You get used to it.
steep sequoia
Honestly glad zippo did not mention ANY archie chars
That shit will be a huge mess
steep sequoia
Frontiers and Sonic "5" was already bad enough
steep sequoia
Heroes was a trainwreck. archie chars? dead
balmy fiber
THE SHITTING LEAK
steep sequoia
Uekewa 
slate thorn
Heroes was a trainwreck. archie chars? dead
People can kill over Archie.
balmy fiber
IS THE ONLY TIME I HEARD HIS NAME BEING MISPELLED LIKE THAT
but.
There was someone, the ONLY one
slate thorn
Uekewa?
slate thorn
Smfh god fr?
balmy fiber
So yea i have the suspicion the creator of the shitting leak is Zippo
Yes its a flimsy little typo
vale raft
balmy fiber
BUT ITS SO SPECIFIC
steep sequoia
wait seriously?
quaint mountain
Y'know, it's 10x funnier to imply this, so that's my headcanon now
Even if he didn't do it
balmy fiber
Im pretty sure if you type Uekewa on server word search you will see Zippo in the results
If you dont have him blocked
azure trail
I made the shitting leak
quaint mountain
Hmm, can't seem to get any hit on that
balmy fiber
Ah shit
urban scroll
Uwuekewa
azure trail
Jk lmao, man i miss the shitting leak era
vale raft
it might a permission error but idm
wind frigate
oh my daisies 😭😭😭
womp womp
quaint mountain
Yeah, I was about to say, it's probably in archives, cuz the only other instance of "Uekewa" I got was, funnily enough, sgm
steep sequoia
oh?
vale raft
which was just now
quaint mountain
#games-2024 message
azure trail
Uekewa
wind frigate
He kept yapping about an sa1 remaster for a while
And pointed to a random piece of new artwork and was like “yeah this is for that game”
azure trail
Remake*
steep sequoia
https://discord.com/channels/172394039788830730/1197253074734030908/121785694570...
OH LMAO!!
balmy fiber
oh my daisies 😭😭😭
Im gonna piss myself im so glad is more than 1 result
wind frigate
Not even a remake 💀
azure trail
Remake*
balmy fiber
Sgm
steep sequoia
I hate the idea of SA1 getting a remaster and SA2 getting a remake
Like bro come on
balmy fiber
steep sequoia
balmy fiber
Sgm you are now on the list of suspects
slate thorn
I've got like,
steep sequoia
It's okay I am always ready to die
slate thorn
up to 2019 archives.
steep sequoia
But legit imagine being an SA1 fan
slate thorn
My 5th anni on this server and discord was on the 16th
steep sequoia
azure trail
Le remeke
slate thorn
But legit imagine being an SA1 fan
Moi?
wind frigate
But legit imagine being an SA1 fan
azure trail
wind frigate
guys omg
slate thorn
I mean I'm a Sonic 3 fan and we had Origins' development piss on what could've been excellent
wind frigate
sonic x shadow gens news in 50 minutes
steep sequoia
I mean I'm a Sonic 3 fan and we had Origins' development piss on what could've b...
true
balmy fiber
Shut it
wind frigate
omg guys
azure trail
But legit imagine being an SA1 fan
What does that mean lmaoo
slate thorn
sonic x shadow gens news in 50 minutes
omg guys sonic x shadow gens news in 50 minutes
urban scroll
For fact checking what it was
balmy fiber
Why does this leak actuall seem written by him tho
wind frigate
it’s gonna be a cg trailer with generations level design and david humphery shadow with mephiles
urban scroll
I'm still confused about one thing
balmy fiber
Shit my briefs
urban scroll
Did he clean the shit from his briefs?
azure trail
Huh
balmy fiber
CAPGOD reinasance
azure trail
Ohhj
quaint mountain
Oh I see Uekewa
azure trail
Shitting leak didn't even say it was modern sonic
urban scroll
All the KIIIIIINO incoming
wind frigate
erm
quaint mountain
No, it says "Made by Uekewa?" right there
wind frigate
where’s the movie skins
azure trail
Shitting leak was real after all...
quaint mountain
But yeah, it's still at best hella inconsistent
azure trail
Partially
vale raft
Shitting leak didn't even say it was modern sonic
zippo further substantiates it was modern though
balmy fiber
Yea he said it was modern and like advance
wind frigate
But yeah, it's still at best hella inconsistent
just like zi
slate thorn
I don't think Zippo would use 4chan though
vale raft
it's like that marketing slide that people keep pushing around every now and then
vale raft
I don't think Zippo would use 4chan though
someone who'd plant something like this would have to though...
slate thorn
make the trek to 4chan
balmy fiber
He even said the 2d game would look like the new art with sonic tails knuckles amy
azure trail
Yeah but i remembered shitting leak saying it was modern and thats where zippo got it from
balmy fiber
On his blog
slate thorn
and make an account if that's something you do right
vale raft
He even said the 2d game would look like the new art with sonic tails knuckles a...
exactly
balmy fiber
Yep
slate thorn
idek how people start using 4chan, it's an innate response to avoid 4chan like the plague
azure trail
So it was broshima art from the alt superstars cover huh
vale raft
actually no why tf am i saying that
slate thorn
When did Zippo start leaking?
vale raft
So it was broshima art from the alt superstars cover huh
shitting leak truther.... shush....
slate thorn
I remember in 10th grade looking at his posts excitedly.
I'm about to finish college.
balmy fiber
But yea even if its not true
Zippo making the shitting leak is really funny to me
So ill keep this headcanon
slate thorn
It's pretty damn funny
azure trail
It is
quaint mountain
When did Zippo start leaking?
Before he made his blog
I want to say the pipeline was Sonic Stadium -> Resetera (till the ban) -> Sonic Stadium and this server around the same time -> his blog and I guess this server by technicality?
but I could be completely wrong on that
azure trail
Maybe zippo was just a leaker industry plant
north vault
someone in Zippo's position should be very careful in how they present confident...
frankly he could also have simply
not shared the confidential information
like let us be clear here he was not forced or coerced into any of this, it was of his own doing
he made his bed, now he finally has to lie in it
boreal canyon
Any questions?
quaint mountain
I guess other than "what are Lippo's skeletons in the closet" some wanted to know if Toys Party footage and the "remake in consideration" came from the same source
north vault
one re: the skeletons in the closet - to what degree of seriousness are said skeletons, are they still along the same lines as the insider stuff or more serious than that
(mainly asking cos if it's more serious and damaging to other's lives than what we currently know, that's the point where I stop making funnies about it and start treating it with more tact)
wind frigate
Yeah, I kind of want to know the severity of what’s going on
azure trail
What might happen is zippo not getting more info from the sources he had
Well he prolly will but may not be as much to like make a blog post
north vault
like, I don't need to know everything until the time is right and everyone involved's comfortable with doing so (if the time ever is right), but at the same time knowing whether it's simply "he was a prick like we knew already" or anything more harmful to the lives of others would be helpful in terms of whether it continues as the TC in-joke or stops immediately
vale raft
I guess other than "what are Lippo's skeletons in the closet" some wanted to kno...
yeah, to me it seemed like tc staff were told about the remake alongside the toys party stuff
maybe i'm wrong about this but the timing still seems pretty close to call
slate thorn
I guess other than "what are Lippo's skeletons in the closet" some wanted to kno...
He has a few
OK but seriously thinking about it, it's possible that they're the same source.
Though take into consideration that Toy Party had things from many people I think
Most people missed this, but there's another tweet with other Toy Party footage.
wind sparrow
boreal canyon
I guess other than "what are Lippo's skeletons in the closet" some wanted to kno...
Regarding the second question, I will answer that using one of Midori’s own posts
quaint mountain
Alright, thank you
boreal canyon
Midori divulged information regarding Toys Party and the remake to someone, and that someone happened to share it with Zippo, and that’s how it ended up reaching us (TC)
At the time of reception, there was concern that publicly revealing that we were getting information from her, albeit indirectly, would be compromising somehow. So, we did not release the video and only reported on its details
Naturally, the situation changed over the course of this past week due to all that happened
So yes, all the information came from the same source, which was Midori, who is now gone
dry sorrel
Pyoro has it out for Zippo huh lol
vale raft
can we stop with the zippo talk
wraith willow
Ok
dire quiver
It should be unzip pants
He's that angry
vale raft
think we've had enough of it here
wraith willow
Maybe make his name banned
steep sequoia
Probably for the best but even so depends on the mods
wraith willow
I think they should
slate thorn
Cause, that's kind of wild banning and reference Zippo
Imagine someone new asking about it, immediate censor
Or in a year
Someone references an article
Censor
wraith willow
It's really for the best
slate thorn
I'd say we just chill, so there's no need to go to those lengths.
I honestly think we're gonna have more problems if we ban the word.
wraith willow
Maybe
urban scroll
There is really no reason to keep mentioning him unless it's relevant or necessary
cedar ember
https://twitter.com/DaveLuty/status/1773320229575180695?t=3pdZ20XYxM7U6Kw-E9iMog...
unzips penis is wild
warped rose
oh my daisies 😭😭😭
Not one time was it spelt properly 
balmy fiber
Yep
wraith willow
unzips penis is wild
It's funny asf
balmy fiber
No Access but blue heart for Midori
open maple
why don't you guys turn on the sonic news ping on the server onboarding <:bigsad...
How do you do that?
(I barely know how to use discord lol)
urban scroll
I keep getting Sonic News pings lol
balmy fiber
Yea idk either lmao
vale raft
How do you do that?
channels & roles then scroll down to the last option
balmy fiber
Ohh
vale raft
dont press anything else because the channels that'll appear to you will change (discord hides them)
open maple
Thank you 😄
balmy fiber
Got it
urban scroll
I'm leaking rn
wraith willow
The goats
azure trail
https://x.com/kornart3/status/1773418116950716656?s=46
Im pyoro
open maple
open maple
https://fixupx.com/KornArt3/status/1773418253563433404?s=20
@steep sequoia
torn scarab
https://fixupx.com/KornArt3/status/1773418253563433404?s=20
is that Perry
I can kinda see a bill
steep sequoia
https://fixupx.com/KornArt3/status/1773418253563433404?s=20
💀
Our next smash bros chars
random portal
Pyoro and Midori curb stomping Lippo JJK style is so peak
torn scarab
Muscle man would clear🥱
torn scarab
https://tenor.com/view/jujutsu-beatdown-jujutsu-kaisen-2v1-gif-19722418
pov: Metal in imposter syndrome 4
And then surge in issue 56
open maple
Muscle man would clear🥱
You know who else would clear?
https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-regular-show-my-parent-my-guardian-gif-12193636264512365062
open maple
But u know who else has a good one
Hm?
torn scarab
https://tenor.com/view/my-mom-muscle-man-regular-show-my-parent-my-guardian-gif-12973068152273530625
open maple
lol okay got the reversed
wise turret
https://fixupx.com/KornArt3/status/1773418253563433404?s=20
out of context it just looks like King’s long distant cousin and the Persona 3 Portable protag are just beating up Mega Man Volnutt for no reason
in context, it’s two titans beating up a fraud
open maple
out of context it just looks like King’s long distant cousin and the Persona 3 P...
The out of context one is funnier
wise turret
and yet people would still hate Sonic fans for all of this over Sonic Heroes…
urban scroll
What Heroes remake
steep sequoia
(i know it's not a thing yet but i had to do the joke)
wind frigate
there's a heroes remake?
random portal
Never heard of it
wraith willow
This clip is funny as hell I'm gonna take it but I can't post it otherwise I'll make me look racist
wind frigate
.
urban scroll
What
balmy fiber
For the love of god Framerate STOP TALKING
gloomy bloom
I sure wonder if ShTH itself would ever be re-released now that SXSG heavily references it
balmy fiber
That honestly would be an insane move
open maple
It would be crazy
gloomy bloom
maybe too crazy, since it was made on Renderware, right?
open maple
perhaps remake or something, idk
gloomy bloom
hmmmm a remake of Shadow the Hedgehog
It'd be funny if the closest we got was this Shadow Gens thing, like a summary version
balmy fiber
Was ShadowTH on renderware?
wise turret
If SEGA really wants to remaster ShTH, they could either pull a GTA by remastering it all in Unreal or pull a SMT3 by using Unity
or just argue against EA over RenderWare
gloomy bloom
If SEGA really wants to remaster ShTH, they could either pull a GTA by remasteri...
omg Shadow the Hedgehog in the fantastic Blind Squirrel engine 
wise turret
or get tips from Rockstar/Groove Street Games on how they brought over their RenderWare games to other platforms like Mobile and Consoles
wise turret
omg Shadow the Hedgehog in the fantastic Blind Squirrel engine <:bog:69229415921...
shisbsoabsjsb
bro
actually now that I think about it, Godot could be an option
Only issue is how they’re gonna make RenderWare calls work in Godot
then again the same could be said about shit like Unreal and Unity lol