Sonic Superstars (spoilers)

[shy frigate]

they are both good in different ways

they weren't lying when they said they were trying to make Classic Sonic more appealing to the general public

the way it plays and is constructed feels a lot less niche and precise but more fun overall

[shy turtle]

oh also, i love the idea of the powers, some of them are more usefull than others, but they're well implemented

[shy frigate]

they do add exploration and the prompt tells you when they are useful in the stages, but you can also use them freely in general, bosses, they add strategy

[shy turtle]

also trip

she's so scrunkly

i love her

and her super form is funny af

altho it's janky af

[shy frigate]

I love tiny details like the idle, and the title screen where she hides her face

[shy turtle]

and kinda out of nowhere

so even if overall i really like her super form, it needed a bit more lore

[shy frigate]

plus no one talks about: Trip's extra power is fireballs, and her victory animation she dances and only sometimes falls and gets up, I find that really cute

sometimes she spins and she does not fall though

[toxic canopy]

Trip is best classic character....

She's so me

[shy turtle]

also yeah nah forgot about one thing

that last boss

it's not good

it's not the worst thing ever

but it's not good either

[toxic canopy]

It straight up

[shy frigate]

which one do you mean

[toxic canopy]

Feels like a boss from sonic rush

[shy turtle]

yeah nah overall 8/10 seems legit to me

[toxic canopy]

The egg samurai

@shy frigate

[shy frigate]

that's how I felt yeah

it really reminds me of Rush's normal final boss

[shy turtle]

yeah but way harder and kinda unfair

those lightning balls

[shy frigate]

and a little bit of S3&K for the running part

[shy turtle]

almost impossible to dodge

[rose salmon]

The final boss was a bit eh for me

Not because it was challenging, although it certainly was

It’s cause it was a bit too slow for my tastes

[shy turtle]

yeah as i said i haven't finished trip's story yet

[rose salmon]

Not nearly as bad as this shit though

[shy frigate]

I'm not sure which final boss is the worst but the first one is certainly the most forgettable one

[rose salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-frontiers-pitbull-wyvern-dog-bite-gif-27083583

[rose salmon]

Oh yea I meant the boss rush btw, not wyvern on its own

[toxic canopy]

It's actually unsettling see you engage in convos seriously without posting a random gif or a frigging Godzila thing every second

Actually nevermind 💀

[rose salmon]

Don’t test me.

[toxic canopy]

Lost that glimmer of hope bud, there's no testing to be done here. 😔

[rose salmon]

Cause I just had the biggest epiphany during my time in the battlemode shop

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1012494465757347920/1163796212026179664/SPOILER_image0.jpg?ex=6540e0af&is=652e6baf&hm=42c1fce2ca128b61fb5d56da0c0c8bec68838dd2de51defb74cd0926dced0309&

[toxic canopy]

Man.

😭

[rose salmon]

Anyway that’s the only doom thing imma post in #1161789260752490586

Wanted to share it cause it’s a funny idea

Thanks metal tails :)

[unique wedge]

Well.. I can say that for co-op they become hell

It definitely doesn't feel like they intended 4 players to play all of this

The earlier stages are easier and not that buggy, but later on it becomes a race about who can go first to not de-spawn and die

And the game struggles a lot to not bug or do weird things

I would hope it's better in Single-player because you can take it at your own pace

[honest patio]

I like that when tobe went on about how good the ost is he posted the only few songs people actually like

[shy turtle]

here i go ig

i talked twice about the emerald powers lmfao, mb

but that's pretty much how i feel about the game

[rose salmon]

Idk if anyone’s talked about this, but I like the subtle nods to the adventure games

[honest patio]

I like this game but it kind of sucks it had to release this way

[shy turtle]

wdym ?

[honest patio]

You get Naoto Ohshima on his first sonic game in forever, and you manage to get some banger level design out of it

[rose salmon]

Speed jungle having sa2 styled monkey bars and grind rails, sky temple having a tornado sequence, that one level that has an echidna shrine styled background, etc.

[shy turtle]

feels like you're reaching a bit ngl

[honest patio]

But it’s marred by okay visuals, half of the music being genesis farts, really weird bugs, broken co op, and some really scummy stuff with the PC port

[rose salmon]

Idk, that’s the vibe I’m getting from these

[honest patio]

It’s strange, really

[shy turtle]

the denuvo thing is missinfo btw

[honest patio]

I’m not talking about denuvo

[shy turtle]

what's scummy about it then ?

[rose salmon]

Da unepic games 😔

[shy turtle]

and uhhh... that's bad for what reason ? i'm sorry idk about epic games' platform

[rose salmon]

It’s an annoying pop up and required for battlemode I think

Some people don’t like epic games

And also they didn’t tell the public I think

[honest patio]

I was referring to the EGS shenanigans but it’s also questionable that they stuffed eula stuff deep into the terms and conditions like they didn’t want people to know 😭

[shy turtle]

oh yeah it's questionnable dgmw

but people on twitter spread missinfo

again

[honest patio]

But I’m not gonna go on this forever because that ain’t my main point

It’s not just about that, it just adds to the fact that this should’ve been a home run by all means and it somehow didn’t in the end

[rose salmon]

There’s also one bug that I haven’t gotten yet, but it does happen. Basically, when exiting the shop, sometimes you get teleported all the way to the end of the map and you can fall out of it

[honest patio]

Again, I think it’s a good game

[rose salmon]

Which is pretty a spooki

[honest patio]

But it’s kind of unfortunate lol

[shy turtle]

yeah too bad jun continues to use the genesis sc

i don't think sega's forcing him to do it

because otherwise they'd act as if it wasn't bad

also overall, i say this, but he ain't the only one who worked on these tracks

surprisingly i heard like... one or two "genesis" stylized track that sounded okay

all the rest is mediocre tho

so yeah as i said

overall this ost is aight

arzest better moving their asses fixing the game (they won't)

or maybe they will, but only via the dlc

i'd give arzest the benefit of the doubt for another classic game, only if oshima is still in charge of the level design tho

it feels like they lack competences in some fields

[honest patio]

If this was just about the ost, it’d be annoying but it would still be okay at the end of the day

But that, the lack of fidelity across all platforms, and the stability of the game being pretty questionable add up

It especially sucks that what they were pushing this whole time, the multiplayer, is really broken

[shy turtle]

i haven't played it yet

[honest patio]

The camera doesn’t know who to focus on half of the time and it’s where most of the glitches occur

And some levels don’t really seem to be made with it in mind

[unique wedge]

I wonder if they can make multi-player work in the first place

Because in general it's

Very messy

[honest patio]

Simpler stages like Bridge Island work fine with co op

But the moment they get more complex

Also the camera doesn’t seemed zoomed out enough

[unique wedge]

Maybe if they changed level design to accommodate for it, it would be better

[shy turtle]

that'd require a lot of work

[honest patio]

You’d think that’d be worth the effort seeing how one of the main marketing pushes was playing with friends

[unique wedge]

There is a huge difference between single-player pacing and multi-player

[shy turtle]

i just think that sonic games might not be it in multi ngl

[unique wedge]

I'll say it again, the entire latter of the game is a race to see who does not die

[shy turtle]

if the moment the level design becomes a bit more complex it fealls apart

[unique wedge]

It's not fun

[honest patio]

Like if it was goofy nsmb bullshit shenanigans where players fuck each other over, that’d be pretty funny

[unique wedge]

And yea, exactly because it becomes more complex

[honest patio]

But half of the chaotic shit that goes on isn’t the players fault

It’s the game trying to keep up with them all 😭

[unique wedge]

Stability doesn't help because the game dies with 4 players

Many, many weird bugs occur and occur often

[honest patio]

I made like 5 separate clips on Sam’s stream of glitches they’ve run into

[unique wedge]

It's at best only funny seeing chaos descend

At worst, it's only painful

[honest patio]

They ran into the shop glitch two times 😭

[shy turtle]

what about battle mode ?

[honest patio]

Battle mode is ok but I’ve only played offline since

Yuzu

[unique wedge]

The most often bug me and others encountered were the one in lagoon city where you have normal physics in water and vice-versa

Drowning out of water

[honest patio]

Apparently online is dead asf and will automatically put you in bot matches

[honest patio]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxXUF0WD5a5rMtX-r1BymjDPT9qOIgE2ip?si=yEeqxJcJqt_JWCnU

[zenith kettle]

https://vxtwitter.com/NTom64_Lyfe/status/1714408572581523712?t=DCCB2pryHAAOmvIO6h5DXg&s=19 PLEASE

[tribal badger]

Just like the 90s

[modest arch]

as it stands it feels like almost everything in the game is broken to some extent

[unique wedge]

Do not forget the very co-operative camera, by the way

I love being last and somehow it goes back to me as everyone else de-spawns

Or when it wants to focus on the player who momentarily decided to go AFK

[hoary trench]

After beating the game. I really disagree with 2nd half of the game breaking apart. Sand Sanctuary, Press Factory, Cyber Station, and Egg Fortress still are solid stages to me

I only agree that Golden Capital is complete ass and Frozen Base at least with act 2

But like, every classic Sonic game even the best one has 1 or 2 zones that I don’t care/like

[shy turtle]

frozen base act 1 is good

i'm gonna replay the game later today

[modest arch]

i just completed the 5th special stage

at least i only took 3 tries

and not an hour or something💀

[unique wedge]

I really like the special stages, honestly

[modest arch]

yeah

they're fun

[noble drift]

Why did they even bother with the co-op function

[short lark]

Innovation for the Classics. 😁

[noble drift]

Like i am stunned at how broken it is

They did not playtest this game with co-op

Like how even DARE them make it a selling point

[short lark]

💀💀

[noble drift]

I seen chaotic multiplayer mods for other games, but those were humble and LESS chaotic

Like i bet it is an insane time with friends, for all the wrong reasons

[hoary trench]

Again, I dodged a entire nuke by not playing this game in co-op. Remember during the pre-release when I said that the levels don’t look like it was designed for co-op in mind?

That has aged well

[noble drift]

I mean im glad they arent

Cuz instead we got level design comparable the best of 2d sonic

[shy turtle]

i mean, as i said, i don't sonic is made for co-op, at least, not in that form

[noble drift]

Its just the fact it is this broken

[short lark]

You could see that co-op was gonna be a dumpster fire from a mile away.

[noble drift]

You are right and even then

Like if they bring coip back they have to make it split screen

There is no other way

4 people sharing the same screen is the most insane thing i ever seen

[hoary trench]

Haha

We called it

[short lark]

Imagine making casual couch cooperative play one of your game’s defining features and it just doesn’t fucking work.

[toxic canopy]

bummer honestly

[short lark]

Biggest blunder honestly.

I was gonna play this with my younger cousins, but now? I think I’d rather not.

[shy turtle]

i dunno, you can always try

[hoary trench]

I’m conflicted on it because I do agree that this is inexcusable for a feature that they used as a main selling point, but on other hand

[shy turtle]

also there's battle mode

[hoary trench]

I’m kind of happy that solo experience wasn’t sacrificed

in terms of level design

[shy turtle]

tf happened to the scrunkly

[short lark]

Cute doragon.

[shy turtle]

ye

spectre u free

[modest arch]

i wanna play co-op

[shy turtle]

i can stream a bit on discord

[modest arch]

i don't mind the entire game collapsing on me

it's part of the fun

[hoary trench]

I did try battle mode with my friends online

Nothing amazing, but pretty fun & chaotic

Without the game bursting into tears

[modest arch]

is anyone up to hosting a parsec session for superstars or wonder?

[unique wedge]

It didn't have to

I don't believe they can design for both ways at once

[agile lotus]

I played a bit of co op with my mates and it was like broken but really funny

You could instantly get back into matches

[honest patio]

For as broken as it is

Co op is absurdly funny to watch

[unique wedge]

Shout-out to my team for fumbling at getting the emeralds and re-starting every time we lost

We re-played the start of lagoon city many times

[agile lotus]

Honestly I kind of hate the whole "mods will fix the game"

But I genuinelly want to see how graphics (more stage background assets and higher fidelity), music replacements, boss rebalancing and minor tweaks do to this game

[unique wedge]

Modding will never fix a game

[noble drift]

Sonic Team just really earns its name as a barely fuctional game developer

[agile lotus]

Did a lot to frontiers lol

[tribal badger]

Wasn’t it Arzest this time?

[agile lotus]

Both of them

[tribal badger]

Also I kind of wonder how the bugs are compared to Frontiers.

I’ve heard about them but haven’t seen any.

[noble drift]

Frontiers is jank in a way that is very messy and unfinished in places

Superstars has stuff where you go to the shop in the map

Leave the shop

And you are at the final level

And you clip through the map and fall

[honest patio]

Frontiers is janky, but Superstars has stuff that straight up just fucks over the game

The map falling, soft locking

[shy turtle]

got the scrunkly back

[honest patio]

drowning when you’re above ground for some reason

[noble drift]

Frontiers is entirely functional
Superstars is not

[shy turtle]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i dunno about entirely

[honest patio]

https://vxtwitter.com/kirbmaster3/status/1714427774251811228?s=46

[unique wedge]

Is single-player, the intended experience, not functional?

[honest patio]

Single player was fine for me on Yuzu

Few bugs

[noble drift]

Ok fine

[honest patio]

But I chocked it up to being emulated

[shy turtle]

i've only encountred a bug or two

[noble drift]

Single player works just fine

[unique wedge]

Most bugs I came across seemed to come from co-op

[noble drift]

I am talking about co-op mostly

Which is still the way many people plan to play

[tribal badger]

Oh my god, lmao.

That’s unfortunate.

[strong lodge]

this is such a mean glitch lmao

[honest patio]

His stream is full of the game just tumbling onto itself in the funniest way possible during co op

[strong lodge]

also concerningly common considering it happened to me

[honest patio]

The hardest I’ve laughed in a while

[noble drift]

https://fixupx.com/adriwindgb/status/1714512028079997257?s=46&t=g212nzImk3dEQl_eSXDKzQ

OH GOD

[honest patio]

https://fixupx.com/gambito32x/status/1714622952380277110?s=46 since we’re talking about bugs 😭

[short lark]

HUH

[modest arch]

its been here since june HAHAHAHA

[honest patio]

why was the game more stable on an emulator without a day one patch

[modest arch]

yoou guys should have read my impressions...i talked about it there

[honest patio]

I don’t understand 😭

[unique wedge]

What is this button combo

[modest arch]

up up down down up up up up

it's the same pattern just stuff you wouldn't think of pressing on the menu

(excluding the wallpapers)

[noble drift]

Can someone try

[unique wedge]

That's pretty simple

[short lark]

Oh so this is a frequent thing. 😭

[shy turtle]

see the thing with this game

everything should be great, but it's an arzest quality game

well, a bit better

but still

i really hope they fix some of the bugs tho

like wow

[honest patio]

hop off hey pikmin

[unique wedge]

If they continue producing Classic or maybe other kind of Sonic games, they would be much better off learning from all of this

[modest arch]

i want them to continue

[shy turtle]

nuh uh

[unique wedge]

Superstars is almost a perfectly fine game

[modest arch]

since iizuka's said that both classic and modern are the series pillars

[unique wedge]

If they get those rough edges down and have nice polish, it will be great

[shy turtle]

also, did everyone recognized the beginning of frozen base act 2's music ?

[noble drift]

This is a miracle for arzest for sure

Like it is a good fun game after all

[modest arch]

their first green metacritic score

[noble drift]

I think they defintely have found their footing

Imagine that achievement

[honest patio]

It’d be insulting if this game wasn’t at least decent with who they have on it

[unique wedge]

Oh yea, has someone posted clean rips from the OST in YouTube already?

[modest arch]

i hope they become the next dimps

it's good partnership

[crude kelp]

If I remember correctly, all Arzest did in Balan was design.

[unique wedge]

Like in good quality at least

[modest arch]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLacrXFZ0srRpXeaDr5XEeKH5PxakSYE9J&si=PoEGhgVB1zHcqlKA

is this good enough

[crude kelp]

Everything else was the work of Square Enix's in-house team along with Yuji naka

oshima was used more to advertise the game for the sake of slogans that the game is being developed by the creators of Sonic

[unique wedge]

Hopefully

Doesn't seem bad

[modest arch]

rintaro soma cooked so hard with his tracks

damn... just listening to lagoon city tracks makes me yearn for the cd soundtrack release

how do we tell jun that he can do much more if he drops the synths/drum he always uses

[unique wedge]

What do you mean "how do we tell"

[modest arch]

like

actually talking to him

online or not

[unique wedge]

Everyone and their mother in this community are screaming about it

There is no way he will not notice any of it

[noble drift]

I hope he knows

Cuz my god that made me so mad the first time i heard that boss theme

And now everyone is talking about it

I hope he knows that was his decision

And that nobody gives a flying fuck about classic sonic having genesis sounds

We had cd music in 1993, what the fuck is his damage lmfao

[unique wedge]

It's more the fact he can't make it sound good to most people in any way

[noble drift]

Yea, its kinda pathetic lol

[unique wedge]

I'm sure it must be possible to have genesis sounds and make everyone happy with them

Some tracks do that

[noble drift]

Like he honestly deserves all the criticism hes getting and i hope he is very aware of what he dome lmao

[modest arch]

if he can't it's better to just drop it completely

again he can do better

and who's stopping him from using an electric guitar in classic sonic

[noble drift]

He ruined this ost by his decision

[noble drift]

Himself

Cuz other classic tracks have some kind of guitar

[unique wedge]

Finally

[shy turtle]

aight where are the mods

[modest arch]

sonic.exe

[shy turtle]

in need my modern characters into superstars

[unique wedge]

You only have simple re-colors right now

[shy turtle]

btw can someone show the rabbit super form ?

[noble drift]

I BEAT EGG SAMURAI. FIRST TRY

IM SUCH A FUCKING GOD

[shy turtle]

huh weird

why's superstars' score 75

but when i do the maths it's actually 77

[agile lotus]

I wanna see an advance 2 green Forrest mod for this game

[crude kelp]

because the metacritic scoring system works differently. The larger the publication, the more its score affects the final grade.

[shy turtle]

huh ?

[crude kelp]

If, for example, IGN gives the game a 7, the metascore will be more close to 70

even if a few other publications give it an 8

[short lark]

In short, Metacritic sucks.

[noble drift]

Oh shit it worked on switch

Debug mode that is

[short lark]

Stop worrying about shitty critic scores.

[boreal mirage]

https://fxtwitter.com/dariosamo/status/1714430305354793259?t=9qyceEmYA_KywBkVqrz6Rg&s=19

[unique wedge]

But then that's not an emulation glitch anymore

[short lark]

Why did they call it an emulation glitch if it’s on native hardware? 💀

[boreal mirage]

Because people were saying the glitches were from yuzu

That's the joke

[short lark]

💀

[unique wedge]

That just makes them look dumb

Lol

[long orbit]

yeah this is pretty nice, does give me MD vibes while reminding of something else like some kinda retro RPG

[modest arch]

https://fixupx.com/gambito32x/status/1714648303026209029?s=46

[noble drift]

I am just waiting for us to get over the problems of the ost to actually talk about what we do enjoy

[unique wedge]

This stage is scary with co-op

Some people don't see the button and continue going forward

[unique wedge]

Need the gif version

[modest arch]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-you-fucking-did-gif-25579294

[zealous spindle]

Very funny how this exclusively happens when a game gets bad scores and not good ones

[short lark]

To be honest I don’t care either way. Spider-Man fans are seething over Spider-Man 2 getting an 8 of all scores from IGN. They’re still gonna buy it anyways.

I’m certainly gonna get it once it drops for PC since PS5 has no games.

[high schooner]

Then when it comes to PC, it'll have the same issues as the other Spidey ports of the wacky cpu hyperthreading issues they never fixed

[short lark]

When I played Spider-Man Remastered on my machine I didn’t run into too many issues. But yeah it is kinda janky though since it’s not a great port, but still not buying a paperweight for like, 1-2 games.

[rapid shuttle]

why is the text red?

[split karma]

Okay, hey there, I am desperate and need help.
So I am in my playthrough as ||Trip|| right now and I have been stuck in Pinball Carnival 1 for over 25 minutes now. There are two doors that require a specific emerald power (that I don't have yet) to pass through. I can't collect it in this zone, because I collected emerald 4 here. Do you know ANY way through this or am I just softlocked and need to get the Emeralds with a different character first?
I did everything, even backtracking until the start of the level, checking every possible "floor" and right now I am just REALLY annoyed by this. 🫠

[noble drift]

You need to get the 4th emerald

[split karma]

I have the 4th emerald, but I assume it'd be the 5th or something then

[noble drift]

Oh yea you need all emerald powers to best trip story

[zenith kettle]

Collect them in the normal story

[split karma]

That's just straight up not well designed tbh. I'm required to have an optional thing? Oof.

[noble drift]

Its an emerald per One

Yep

Its bad design straight up

[split karma]

(I know, true ending and all, yes yes, but this sucks)

[noble drift]

Anyways there is portals at the very start of press factory act 1

And golden capital act 1 close to sea horses at the top

[zenith kettle]

To be fair, this is essentially a "hard mode", but yeah, that's still kinda dumb

[noble drift]

Also at the top of a pinball table in pinball carnival act 2

[split karma]

I know, but emerald powers, to my knowledge, were never communicated as "required to beat the story" - Super Sonic fight excluded, obviously.

[zenith kettle]

technically they were story-wise if you did act Knuckles, but again, still ain't great

[split karma]

I did, actually, yes. ^^'

[toxic canopy]

Subversion of the mind 🔥

Glad someone caught on 🥹

[shy frigate]

I didn't even get that, I don't remember well but I didn't have all the emeralds when I played that act

anyway yeah the sections that require slow power are just forced

[zenith kettle]

I'm talking about the cutscene that you get after Golden Capital act Knuckles

[crude kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHC3qWlKcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlC5MAgWNs4
no fucking way

[split karma]

Is there any other zone with a cheap portal? Missing just one, used 1-4, 7 and 8 yet.

Thanks for the tip btw 😄

[noble drift]

Sand Sanctuary

At the end

When you get the the 5 number loop

There is a visible ring

To the right

The loop will automatically launch you upward and away from it

Use bullet and go back and reach the rkng

[split karma]

Thanks!

[zenith kettle]

Man, it really was supposed to be all Jun at one point, huh

[shy turtle]

i always beat my sonic games with all the chaos emerald before the last boss so this wasn't an issue for me ig

[noble drift]

I am fucking GLAD we at least got some things

[zenith kettle]

Nobody wanted to/could salvage Press Factory or Golden Capital tho

[strong lodge]

maybe he thought they were good enough

[shy turtle]

press factory ain't it yeah

but i kinda like golden capital

[zenith kettle]

I hate Golden Capital

[toxic canopy]

i need all betas rn..........

[zenith kettle]

probably my least favourite set of tracks

[strong lodge]

i think we only just reached the point where Mega Drive music is considered too old fashioned to be cool

it's all downhill from here

[noble drift]

Thanks jun

[toxic canopy]

your welcome

[crude kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEcnaCRKbwY i got you bruh

[toxic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-lebron-james-studio-lebron-james-finger-studio-more-than-an-athlete-dancing-gif-17289928

raw asf album cober

[zenith kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmIP15sidc&list=PLQrY_MTc2CpGhq_4P6rufb4qIrY1sx9Vz&index=1

Here's the playlist of some

[strong lodge]

@modern pebble what does this mean

[modern pebble]

LMAO

God is the true final boss??

[shy turtle]

https://vxtwitter.com/VenusOfChaos/status/1714661221847253441?s=19

having to assume... what ?

there's pretty much nothing to assume in the classic games 💀

[long orbit]

yeah uh it's pretty clear what's happening for the most part, everything is telegraphed pretty obvously

[short lark]

Most of the information in a Classic game’s cutscene is pretty cut and dry.

I don’t know what she means.

[unique wedge]

Is this path amy only?

[hoary trench]

Heres my Sonic Superstars zones ranking I don’t consider the boss fights because they all suck

[shy turtle]

same guy btw

[unique wedge]

Erm

Forces says he's from a different dimension

[last bay]

Errrrm they reversed that

[shy turtle]

yeah

that has been stated multiple times

[long orbit]

yeah the 4th dimension, which is time 🤓

[modern pebble]

well i don't agree with the person's reasoning but the initial request is solid

yes

[shy turtle]

yeah fair enough

[modern pebble]

dialogue boxes in the next classic game

so we can have a more interesting story

and maybe non crappy cutscenes

[shy turtle]

ye so

trip's campaign

[toxic canopy]

david

go crazy go wild

[modern pebble]

Yeah nah i think trips level design is lame AF

[shy turtle]

idk man, i kinda like what they've done

[fickle burrow]

#super-duperstars message

[toxic canopy]

i havent even finished trips campaign !!! 😁

but honestly

[modern pebble]

Going to that right after beating the final boss felt like a slap in the face lol

[shy turtle]

me neither grahhh

[fickle burrow]

Idk it kinda felt like that bit of new original ideas that I felt was missing from the main game personally

[toxic canopy]

they just feel like the challenge stages in origins if they actually had level design to them

[shy turtle]

i started playing it today and idk, might be the night

[toxic canopy]

(an example that totally doesnt make sense haha)

[shy turtle]

but i've enjoyed it so far

[modern pebble]

I just can’t be bothered rn. After i saw what their idea of “harder level design” was it just left me feeling burnt out before i even made it halfway thru the campaign

[hoary trench]

Trip’s campaign sounds like one of the worst 2D experience from the reactions that I gathered

[shy turtle]

is it really harder ?

idk

[modern pebble]

I stopped at sky sanctuary or whatever

[toxic canopy]

yea, idk i just dont feel like playing trips campaign now

[hoary trench]

You mean Sky Temple?

[toxic canopy]

i only play games at very short intervals and i wanted to spend my free time on something less stressful

[shy turtle]

you know you can play it tho

[modern pebble]

yeah

[zenith kettle]

I didn't mind her levels too much. It does have more random placements, but I feel like if you can handle her moveset, you'll mostly be fine

[noble drift]

It just gets real bad in golden capital

[fickle burrow]

One of my fav 2D sonic experiences besides the final boss imo lmfao

[noble drift]

Becomes tolerable on cyber station

[honest patio]

Doing it in one day was not the best idea

[zenith kettle]

Golden Capital is the only one I'd go "yeah it's dumb"

[honest patio]

I’ll say that much

[fickle burrow]

Idk I really liked how the level design was built around her moveset

[shy turtle]

yeah so far same

[hoary trench]

I only played the first zones in her campaign so far

It wasn’t too hard so far…..

[zenith kettle]

But again, the bosses are a different matter entirely

[modern pebble]

My superstars playthrough was done over the course of 3 days but yea you’re right

[honest patio]

It’s not really hard

It’s just cheap 😭

[fickle burrow]

Even the extra spikes are placed in a way that won't affect you if you play good

[modern pebble]

indeed

it’s artificial difficulty

it’s not interesting or fun twists

[toxic canopy]

honestly my plan is just to consume the later half of the game slowly

[shy turtle]

so kinda like update 3

[modern pebble]

it’s just

[shy turtle]

💀

[modern pebble]

“Here is the same level except we hate you now”

[toxic canopy]

i think i've seen what i need to see with the main campaign

[modern pebble]

yeah great fucking design guys

[toxic canopy]

no !!!!

update 3 was awesome

[noble drift]

The only thing i found really cheap was the crushing in act knuckles

[fickle burrow]

Disagree except for golden capital

The extra shit there was actually bad

[toxic canopy]

dont slander update 3

ever again

[wise kiln]

He's all grown up 🥹

[toxic canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/985755780995248168.gif?size=48&name=GokuAngry&quality=lossless

[noble drift]

That act in general is terrible

[modern pebble]

hi mileen

[noble drift]

If knuckles wasnt in this game it would be better

[toxic canopy]

fuuuuck

[honest patio]

But

[toxic canopy]

i forgot about playing sky temple 😭

[hoary trench]

Fuck Golden Capital

[toxic canopy]

damn

[wise kiln]

Hiiiii

[honest patio]

I’ll give trip’s story the benefit of the doubt for 1 reason

[hoary trench]

👀

[shy turtle]

but yeah nah, it's not really harder, not really cheaper, it's just, things that are done to accomodate her moveset, idk, i know i need to finish it but... yeah so far it's nice

[fickle burrow]

Yep basically what i felt personally

Except for golden capital

[honest patio]

I was actively trying to turn super the entire time so I wanted to kill myself every time I bonked in an enemy or a row of spikes

[fickle burrow]

The edits there were actually genuinely stupid

[honest patio]

So obviously I got more frustrated

[modern pebble]

honestly im willing to double down on the cheap factor. if you’re playing thru the levels normally its probably not that bad, but as soon as you’re playing to try and get super trip semi regularly, you start to see how the entire game is now set up to cheap shot you as much as possible so you can’t do it

[hoary trench]

I’m still planning to playthrough her campaign further. I’m just worried that I’m gonna hit a wall and finally get why many people find it to be so bad

[modern pebble]

oh we said the same thing basically

[noble drift]

Super Trip is pretty jank actually

[toxic canopy]

cant say i dont know what happens beyond speed jungle for strip

trip

[modern pebble]

yeah and i feel like that adds to my distaste of her campaign lol

they actively try and stop you from going super

[magic raptor]

😳

[modern pebble]

and then when you finally do

she’s janky

a bit buggy

[toxic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-choke-grab-gif-25725551

[modern pebble]

and has lethal auto revert moments

and the bosses love wasting your rings

so at that point it’s like why even bother

[shy turtle]

WTF

[zenith kettle]

I feel like I would've had a bigger problem with the super form if the campaign actually required you to use it several times

But to my knowledge it only asks you to do it once, on the last level and you just go left for 2 seconds

[hoary trench]

One thing I do like about Trip’s campaign is that you have all emerald powers from the start

Not having to collect then again

[modern pebble]

yeah that’s neat

[shy turtle]

yeah it's kinda like a new game plus

[modern pebble]

but as it turns out that’s because some of the level design now has emerald power roadblocks

So uh

[hoary trench]

It does??!

Wow

[modern pebble]

If you reach a certain point without having all the emeralds

You are fucked and have to go back and get them in the main campaign

Like Ruki did earlier

[shy turtle]

i wonder whar they're gonna do with the rumoured dlc, maybe a fang campaign

[hoary trench]

If they are planning to do that

I hope they don’t go as crazy on it as Trip campaign or The Final Horizon

[modern pebble]

if it’s even harder than trip’s campaign then you couldn’t pay me to play that nonsense 😭

[hoary trench]

In terms of difficulty

[shy turtle]

yeah maybe they should've put something to tell you about it, but i don't think that requiring all the chaos emerald is that big of a deal

it's just that they don't tell you about it, which is dumb

[modern pebble]

i disagree

up until that point the emerald powers were optional helpers throughout the levels

suddenly going “actually you need this many to progress” is silly regardless of if it’s communicated or not

[hoary trench]

I naturally just collected all chaos emeralds because I thought like the previous games that the true ending would be locked there and Superstars makes backtracking for chaos emeralds possible this time

Thats a nice improvement

[modern pebble]

and then you also can get only 1 emerald per zone which is just… ???????

[shy turtle]

i disagree, seeing this is only accessible after you've beaten the main story, i'd say this is a legit thing to ask from the player

i got all the emerald on my first try except the last one that i got on second try

[modern pebble]

that’s nice

[shy turtle]

i thought those special stages were nice ngl

[modern pebble]

the 5th and 7th took me lots of attempts

[shy turtle]

not as good as mania's

[modern pebble]

that one where there are only jump pads is awful

[shy turtle]

but nice still

[shy turtle]

which one is that, 5th ?

or 6th ?

[modern pebble]

yes

[shy turtle]

oh

[modern pebble]

5th

[shy turtle]

yeah it was though

but i got first try so i can't really say i had a hard time

[hoary trench]

5th one was so annoying

[shy turtle]

tho i remember it being harder than all the otger except 7th

which i almost got first try too smh

i missed it by like, a few meters

too bad ig

[modern pebble]

Ivy and i tried the 7th emerald for like an hour

[shy turtle]

i'm not a true kino mommy momentum broshima player 😔

[modern pebble]

and then i asked to do it on my own and got it 1st try

[shy turtle]

bruh

also yeah to tali about trip's super form

it's janky

but i love the design ngl

also i just learned via the art book that they had considered going with the mono eyed design

glad they didn't

[strong lodge]

i managed to stockpile like 500 rings on golden capital act 2 to make it bearable

and the boss still burned through more than half of them

least i managed to stay super the whole time

[glad geyser]

Man

I'm reeling

From the fact

That sega actually sold this game at $60

Like it's just dawning on me

Sonic 4 was $15 when it came out

Sonic Mania was $20

Even the handheld games weren't full price 20 years ago

[noble drift]

They got too cocky with this one

[glad geyser]

And like back that they were still graphically innovative given the hardware

[noble drift]

But they have been since colors ultimate

Forces was almost generous

[glad geyser]

I mean look

For 3D games I get it

[noble drift]

But colors ultimate, origins and superstars continued the evil

[glad geyser]

Shit costs a lot

[zealous spindle]

to be fair, Mania was an insane deal then and an insane deal now at £15, Superstars at that price feels like asking too much lol

that being said?

[glad geyser]

They can't lower it too much

[zealous spindle]

utterly taking the fucking piss at £50 lmao

[glad geyser]

Mania had like 11 people on the main dev team

[zealous spindle]

£30 at most

[glad geyser]

Forces had 40-60 devs and it was the cheapest mainline Sonic games

[tacit coral]

I mean we shouldn't be surprised

[glad geyser]

So you can see why they can't go lower than $40

[tacit coral]

This was for Frontiers but

[glad geyser]

I mean I get that

[tacit coral]

The general sentiment of "maintaining value of the IP" is still there

[glad geyser]

But you still need to deliver on all parts of the statement

[tacit coral]

They see Nintendo and monkey see monkey do

[glad geyser]

To say that

[noble drift]

Its a shame

Cuz if superstars was 20 like mania we would be

[zealous spindle]

lego star wars "disney tax" moment 💀

[glad geyser]

Like let's be real, unless you are Famitsu who apparently got stuck on bosses for 16 hours to get a total playtime of 24 hours

[noble drift]

Way more fair

[glad geyser]

You're gonna finish both playthroughs in 10-ish hours

[noble drift]

One day superstars might even get to 20

And thats a good price tbh

[glad geyser]

Like honestly

[honest patio]

sonictwt is back to complaining about shades of blue, how are you guys doing today

[glad geyser]

The Mario game looks waaaay more visually impressive, and is almost certainly longer, but I don't think it's worth $60 either

[noble drift]

Nah

[high schooner]

Fuck the egg fortress boss

[honest patio]

You mean the final boss? 😭

[glad geyser]

Nintendo can get away with it because they have very good rep

[high schooner]

It's the final? Thought there were 12 zones?

[honest patio]

who knew if you made good quality games people would be willing to shill 60 on you’re product

[noble drift]

12 counting the last story

[honest patio]

*your

[high schooner]

But anyways, I've been stuck on this fucking boss for 40 mins

[noble drift]

Who are you playing as

[high schooner]

Sonic

[honest patio]

Does it actually count it as 12

[noble drift]

Well

[glad geyser]

Sega is still getting 6-7s on every Sonic game

[noble drift]

Dont knownwhat to say to you

[glad geyser]

Sure it's better than 4-6s

[honest patio]

because that is absurdly generous

[high schooner]

????

[glad geyser]

But they ain't there yet

[noble drift]

Playing as Sonic somehow is the worst thing

[glad geyser]

Btw

Side note

[strong lodge]

what Sonic is fine

he got the droppy dasher

[noble drift]

It is a useless move to me

[glad geyser]

SEGA Samuel stock plummeted like 30% down this month

[noble drift]

I just need double jump

[glad geyser]

HYENAS really doing a number

[glad geyser]

The door dasher

[strong lodge]

good time to buy?

[glad geyser]

Why are you guys a bright brown color

[high schooner]

This shit drags on for way too long

[honest patio]

they have the shit tag now

[glad geyser]

Bruh

Make it more orange-reddish what is this 😭

[faint garden]

Okay that final dragon bsos fight sucked

I used Debug mode to try it out before I do it for real with Trip's story

And good god I don't know what they were thinkign

[noble drift]

Im not even gonna bother with that one, not even rushing through much

[honest patio]

If you think that sucked idk what to tell you about trip’s final boss

[faint garden]

Oh no that's the one I was talking about

[glad geyser]

💀

[strong lodge]

this might be odd but

[honest patio]

Bruh that’s not the dragon

It’s FANG

[noble drift]

LOL

[glad geyser]

I saw a video of that and I'm like my patience will only take me so far

[faint garden]

I'm talking about the SUPER SONIC BOSS

THAT

[strong lodge]

Trip's final boss might be my favourite boss in the game now

[noble drift]

Fang the Dragon

[honest patio]

FANG ISNT THE SUPER BOSS

[noble drift]

Im glad

[strong lodge]

it's the only one that actually makes me feel emotions

[glad geyser]

Hopefully by the time I get it they'll have some wacky mods

[noble drift]

I really enjoyed Egg Samurai

I did it first try im so happy

[honest patio]

Same

[faint garden]

I just used Cheat Engline to cheat rings to beat that for the trophy

because fuck it

I beat the game normally legit

[noble drift]

So you didnt do Fangs boss

[faint garden]

As far as I'm ooncerned, once I beat the game for real

I can do whatever I want with it

[noble drift]

You just did the dragon

Fair enough

[faint garden]

Oh no I did the Fang boss

[honest patio]

⁉️

[faint garden]

That boss is awful

[strong lodge]

this is why i have the brown role

[faint garden]

OH THAT

Oh no I didn't

[honest patio]

brother im sending you into the grinder

[faint garden]

I got it mixed up

[noble drift]

DID YOU DO MECHA FANG

[honest patio]

The amount of joy I got from that

[faint garden]

I thought you meant the autoscroller

No not yet

[noble drift]

Thats the one we are talking about

[faint garden]

Ohhhh okay

[noble drift]

You might have just been spoiled too lol

[strong lodge]

i just replayed it and my heart was pounding out my chest... again

[zealous spindle]

dreading that boss ngl

[faint garden]

A lil bit yeah but frankly I don't care too much

Do you need all 7 emeralds to get to the true TRUE final boss

[zealous spindle]

honestly not sure I actually enjoyed any of the bosses in this other than like

[strong lodge]

i think it's better than the normal final boss

[magic raptor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1151550273832103936/1164295125321654312/IMG_4604.png?ex=6542b155&is=65303c55&hm=ec0badb22bb3bcc7b7eff37078b3b7f4237fed8fbf4a4c66d122a769ce79ceb9&

[noble drift]

Is it now

[glad geyser]

I really don't know who thought it was a good idea to have excruciatingly slow bosses over multiple phases with no option to have checkpoints

[noble drift]

Interesting

[strong lodge]

all the other bosses should've been shorter to contrast with trip's boss

[zealous spindle]

the opa opa one

[noble drift]

I still prefer these bosses of sonic rush

[zealous spindle]

which feels like cheating lmao

[glad geyser]

I love how this is a bi-monthly occurence

[strong lodge]

best boss for me in a 2D game is always going to be the spider in mania

[noble drift]

That is a satsfying comeback tho

[magic raptor]

we have to do it or we die of malnutrition

[glad geyser]

The time would be better spent asking David to change this role color

😭

[magic raptor]

chage it to red

the objective best color

[glad geyser]

Cause Chadow has some red

Ofc

[zealous spindle]

honestly most of the bosses in Mania are decent cos once you know what you're doing, you can wail the FUCK outta em in no time

[zenith kettle]

Eh

[magic raptor]

I think the best boss in Superstars so far is the clown one

[zenith kettle]

Both are bad for different reasons I feel

[magic raptor]

bc you can skip the circle panels by using the bumpers effectively

[faint garden]

Can't believe I accidentally spoiled myself on the final boss of Trip's story

But it's got me

[tidal isle]

Oh damm I had not seen Trip´s White Emerald power until now. Its literally just Fire Mario lol.

Her "chicken pose" while she does it its cute tho

[high schooner]

I keep dying in the final phase, fuck this

[strong lodge]

you used debug for the other one, what's another final boss gonna do lol

[glad geyser]

I don't like classic bosses that you can cheese in 20 seconds just by abusing i frames

[zealous spindle]

like, the more you know em the easier you can wipe their ass off the map, rewarding good play

...barely any of superstars' bosses have this lmao

[glad geyser]

But like

[faint garden]

True lol, and I don't regret it

[honest patio]

https://youtu.be/FNpapsMwsXk?si=ly2Pk1h9Pd7wJ4vO

[zealous spindle]

even if you know a boss like the back of your hand you gotta sit your arse down and wait ten years to get the hit in

[glad geyser]

If it's a 5 minute boss, I'd rather when you are good at it that you'll be able to cut that time down to 60-90 seconds

[zealous spindle]

its boring as fuck

[honest patio]

They’re doing 2 player co op btw

[glad geyser]

Like so many bosses in this game are only open during 1 attack

Or it's very unclear when they are otherwise

[zenith kettle]

So I've seen people say the reason for that is due to co-op and I guess it makes sense

[high schooner]

My enjoyment goes down with each attempt, this game really is a 5/10

[noble drift]

That sounds a bit more reasonable

[glad geyser]

Explain

[zenith kettle]

If they left the bosses the way they are in classic games, they'd be done in seconds without being able to do anything

[strong lodge]

do you need any tips or are you just getting beat

[zenith kettle]

The more people you have, the faster you'd be able to beat them

[zealous spindle]

god they really did just, completely compromise the singleplayer for the multiplayer huh

[glad geyser]

Well

[zenith kettle]

So to counter that they probably designed the bosses this way

[glad geyser]

There's other solutions

[honest patio]

No because if you play 4 players the game completely gives up

[glad geyser]

Like increasing the boss hit points the more players there are

[zenith kettle]

There are, I'm just saying why they probably decided to do it this way, at least for normal play

[strong lodge]

bro i was playing 2 player earlier and i had the air turning into water in lagoon city

[glad geyser]

In a nuanced way lol

[strong lodge]

but not only that, i had air turn into SAND

in sand sanctuary

[zenith kettle]

Now why did they decide to increase HP for bosses in Trip's Story is anyone's guess lmfao

[noble drift]

That is just evil

[glad geyser]

Cause "hard mode"

[zenith kettle]

Well, yeah

[high schooner]

Dunno what tips I can take for the final boss as Sonic because like, there's just way too much bullshit, I'm in the final phase, then get caught and die from the pit, or trying to recover rings is just fucking janky as hell with the weird movement, and how it will sometimes clip through the floor, etc

[glad geyser]

Remember chad Dimps

When they were questioned on how they'll make a boss hard in Sonic 4

[high schooner]

I'm just getting real impatient with trying to get back to the final phase

[glad geyser]

And then they gave him 24 hit points or some shit

[high schooner]

Then die

[glad geyser]

💀

[high schooner]

Waste another 5 mins

Then die, waste another 5 mins, then die again

[glad geyser]

Or like

[tidal isle]

I wonder if the fact that playing Sonic and Tails in Mania where Tails just destroyed bosses on his own had some influence in this

[glad geyser]

The Sonic and the Forgotten Start fan game. That final boss had a bazillion hit points

[strong lodge]

use avatar for 3 free hits, and keep as far to the right as you can once he starts spinning arms

[glad geyser]

Or was it Sonic and the Forged Streets

[strong lodge]

the floating part is trickier but if you see it coming get closer to the boss before it triggers

oh and jump so you don't have to cover as much distance

[high schooner]

That's what I did

Is the final phase 6 hits?

[strong lodge]

i think it's 8, but the hit counts vary a lot between bosses so it's hard to keep track

i think you can use bullet to get a hit in as well

[glad geyser]

Also it's been uh

30 years

[strong lodge]

dakiii did it on stream last night

[glad geyser]

The Metal Sonic race gimmick sucks stop doing it

[strong lodge]

and ig an important tip is the powers recharge after each phase

[glad geyser]

Like putting the character in the right side of the screen

And then having incoming blocks in the way

Where you can't stop and have to react

[noble drift]

I would make them save the avatar power to STOP the spinning attack

[strong lodge]

tbh

i don't trust the boss enough to do that myself

[glad geyser]

Lol

[strong lodge]

i'd rather get the early hits in bc he'll only do that spinning attack once or twice anyway

[glad geyser]

Wonga

What is your favorite track

Your opinion matters

[noble drift]

Well, he does the spinning attack at the very end anyways

[high schooner]

🤢

[glad geyser]

It felt like 6 from the footage I seen

[noble drift]

Once he starts to move, attack with avatar and it will hit him till hes dead

Thats how i did it

[strong lodge]

you'll prob be pleased to know i can't choose one

[strong lodge]

there are some fm ones i like a lot but i'd prob go with pinball carnival act 1 if forced

[glad geyser]

Oh

Not the most out there answer

[strong lodge]

worst one is golden capital act 1, very forgettable

[glad geyser]

What about

Act Knuckles

[strong lodge]

meh

act 2 edges it out

[glad geyser]

Yeah true but it sound so goofy I love it

😭

[strong lodge]

i like press factory because it's clearly channelling flying battery

[glad geyser]

What do you think of the Sonic Act track

[strong lodge]

jun at least tried to do his homework

[glad geyser]

The amount of people complaining about the Jun synths for that when it fit the stage the most 😭

[strong lodge]

it works, but the lack of bass makes it not sound like Sonic

[glad geyser]

[strong lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrwHaSkwovQ

[glad geyser]

Ah so that's it

I definitely get what you mean

[strong lodge]

anything by maeda is pretty good

[glad geyser]

This one sounds like dragon ball op at the beginning

[strong lodge]

not as in instrument, but not much low-end

it's very 80's

[glad geyser]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/NI8EDSlW51U goated

[vast latch]

I wish they use this theme instead of stardust speedway for metal sonic boss fights

[strong lodge]

the frustrating thing is there's a lot of good stuff here but 1. there's also bad stuff and 2. it's not mind-blowingly good when it COULD'VE BEEN

ok maybe not "bad stuff" but bad decisions, you understand

jun got some stuff right though, he got the right people to arrange his music since he's got the connections

[glad geyser]

Yeah

Kinda sucks that everyone will just go

"SONIC 4 SYNTHSSSSS"

[strong lodge]

I never thought Maeda would come back to Sonic, happy days

[glad geyser]

He never left 😭

He's just

*checks notes *

Doing additional dialogue editing

Tbh idk this company is weird af

Like why they still had this guy doing odd jobs instead of composing anything for almost 20 years

[zealous spindle]

https://youtu.be/xYwRrZ85Nas

https://tenor.com/view/let-em-cook-let-him-cook-cooking-cooking-nothing-no-drip-gif-6790101120016036743

[tidal isle]

What we got now is obviously better but I really like that quirky "piano" it has going on

[shy frigate]

As confusing as it is, my most enjoyed one out of the 3 final bosses is probably the dragon, yeah I didn't enjoy the rest, although Fangs screen KO was the most satisfying moment

[tidal isle]

Its catchy

[shy frigate]

I just wish there was build up to it other than a drawing

[vast latch]

damn its gotten to the point that the Sonic 1/2 drums make me laugh

[strong lodge]

wait @glad geyser , i have another favourite. it's the Super Sonic theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWnlopwKWTQ

i get goosebumps from this

[toxic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-dance-moves-hat-gif-16148579

[shy frigate]

The Samurai was kind of forgettable, spider gun I wanted to kill Fang

For a moment I really thought I wasn't gonna finish the game

[glad geyser]

It's aiight

[high schooner]

I had 5 hits on the final phase

Then the spinning fuckinh arms

God

[noble drift]

Dude save Avatar for that spinning move

That shit is unbareable with Sonic

[strong lodge]

it clears Mania's ez

[shy frigate]

As does the final zone

[noble drift]

Use avatar to cancel it

Please

Save avatar for it

I am literally crying blood

[zealous spindle]

is it too late to suggest backing out and selecting amy instead

[high schooner]

I love running into my rings and them not collecting at all

This game is not buggy at all

[noble drift]

Ring collecting is off in this game

Anyways switch to amy act 2 is not even that long

And use avatar on the spinning move

[shy frigate]

At one point I got Trips spinning animation stuck while running, it was still animating Trip while moving but with the wheel model too

I also got various crashes while playing Golden Capital, error that closed the game or whatever

This was before the patch though

[glad geyser]

Yeah, and Mania's clears all the others easily cause it was barely a bar lol

[zenith kettle]

And people will continue screaming till he stops

[unique wedge]

What if

He doesn't

[zenith kettle]

I mean we already know he doesn't, people have been saying this since Sonic 4 Episode 1

[unique wedge]

The next Classic games will have Sonic 4 synths until the end of time

Isn't that going to be awesome

[glad geyser]

https://youtu.be/gjREyGgR2yg get Spinball'd mate

[zenith kettle]

But maybe he might for the next game, considering how many beta tracks are just tracks with Sonic 4 font

[tacit coral]

There's only one solution to this

Gatekeeping

[noble drift]

Get him out lmfao

[glad geyser]

Why does it keep going 😭

[tacit coral]

https://tenor.com/view/jazzy-fresh-jump-gif-15939239

[noble drift]

Its wild how he refuses to stop

[noble drift]

Is like he is so proud of his decisions

[glad geyser]

I mean

[noble drift]

"THIS IS HOW CLASSIC SONIC SHOULD SOUND"
motherfucker we got cd quality music right after the first game whats your goddamn damage

[glad geyser]

That seems more like a company attitude

[noble drift]

I doubt it honestly l???

I think this is his decision entirely

[tacit coral]

BS no one else is forcing Classic to be this way

[noble drift]

This has half mania bangers so why doesnt his stuff isnt

[tacit coral]

Except maybe Ohtani

[glad geyser]

Jun is just using the "genesis sounding" synths he is familiar with recently, as the other composers on this ost used their own synths

[tacit coral]

Hmm

[noble drift]

Yet jun has done 3d blast music that sounded great?!

[strong lodge]

Ohtani doesn't even touch Classic stuff aside from Forces lol

[glad geyser]

Fizzle the fact that you have my name in your name is throwing me off

How dare you use these 4 letters in this order

[strong lodge]

man's never remixed GHZ

[glad geyser]

I believe that was mostly Maeda

[tacit coral]

I know but that still... applies in it's own way I guess

[glad geyser]

But that was

[strong lodge]

he doesn't strike me as someone who wants to do it again ig

[tacit coral]

"Classic Sonic is synths like ___"

[glad geyser]

Over 25 years ago

[noble drift]

Even then thats no excuse

No excuse at all

[high schooner]

Did it

[glad geyser]

Well see what's the intention here

[high schooner]

Finally

[noble drift]

Sonic 4 music has been memes to hell and he does the samenthing

[vivid saddle]

thoroughly enjoying trip's campaign so far

[noble drift]

Did you do the thing i told you to

[strong lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezLGTcdZU8Q jun arranged this song by seirou okamoto... so what gives

[glad geyser]

Should he do synths that sound that slightly closer to the genesis stuff or should classic Sonic not have genesis style music

[noble drift]

Latter

[zealous spindle]

honestly they should let Tee lead up the composers instead of Jun, schedules permitting

[high schooner]

Yea, swapped to Amy

[glad geyser]

Then I think that's a company wide problem

[zealous spindle]

he's got the chops for a better "house style" then Jun's s4 synths lol

[glad geyser]

They did the same thing with Forces

[noble drift]

Awesome

[noble drift]

Then why do we have music that sounds wonderful thats not his

Do you understand that it was his choice from the start

He is the sound director, he wanted this

[shy turtle]

i saw that 💀

[zealous spindle]

(also would help negate the "old generation of devs trying to prove they've still got it, only to slowly reveal they don't" feel superstars has ngl 💀💀)

[glad geyser]

Ok I think this is going off the rails

It looks like Jun told those other composers

[hoary trench]

They will ignore that and still beg for someone like Shiro Maekawa to come back

[glad geyser]

Just do it in your style

But like

[hoary trench]

Because he will totally magically fix everything!

[glad geyser]

If Jun were to just go ham on the guitar for this game

I'm not sure that's what "classic" Sonic folks are looking for either

It seemed like he was stuck between a rock and a hard place

And he kinda knew that

Cause he let so many composers do the other tracks

And like idk if he changed synths it would've been received more highly either

[zenith kettle]

I'd say it would if he used different instruments

[honest patio]

https://youtu.be/xLR8ZsCahHc?si=Z-u1jvbpnpNjwggi everyone take a moment out of their day to listen to this

[zenith kettle]

Maybe not by much, but at least the boss and mini-boss themes wouldn't suck

And those play for most of the bosses/mini-bosses

[zealous spindle]

I wouldn't even say its a fan-driven push here, entirely an internal one - oshima getting the ol' gang back together for a new game, doing it like the young'uns can now with them there Manias

....except, that's not how it should go, really - sometimes you gotta realise when it's time to step aside and let the new generation make their mark

[fickle burrow]

I mean it's really just ohshima and iizuka tho

You can say jun counts but like he still actively does sonic stuff, most of which is fantastic

[strong lodge]

arzest has a lot of young (and not so young) people who iizuka is passing knowledge onto, so it comes down to them in the end to deliver the goods

[glad geyser]

Honestly those just feel like anomalies to me now. They sound so poor compared to even Jun's other tracks

[tacit coral]

Jun ain't passing the baton for shit lol

[shy turtle]

well, maybe for the guitar

and even then

[zealous spindle]

where's the one video of Jun being sent down the trap door

[shy turtle]

ohtani might be doing it better lmao

[glad geyser]

Lol

I mean

I ain't even gonna bother

I know y'all will 180

[shy turtle]

on what

[fickle burrow]

Nah juns work on recent stuff like sonic sessions or the TSR ost was fantastic, it's fr just the weird choice to have the ost sound the way it does

[shy turtle]

go on

[glad geyser]

Or 130

[shy turtle]

i mean idk

[glad geyser]

It's gonna be over 90

I'll say that much

[zenith kettle]

On fucking what?