#Wade (Formerly KNUCKLES)
errant steeple
proven oriole
RT score reduced to 78%
civic marlin
Damn thats a fall
proven oriole
Damn thats a fall
Yeah one review didn't like it much (although also is because rt counted his score as 2/5 when it was like 2.5/5 so it lowered a bit more than it should)
haughty lava
https://fixupx.com/soniccitynet/status/1782518936375894019?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-...
somebody help them…. they’re all trapped in the Thats all Folks circles from looney tunes……..
obtuse owl
Welcome to review scores
high goblet
https://fixupx.com/soniccitynet/status/1782518936375894019?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-...
cool looking posters
errant steeple
high goblet
the bisexual lighting in wade's one
proven oriole
https://fixupx.com/cryptic4kqual/status/1782527012009021856?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G...
Hm? Weird, most of the reviews I've read call episode 4 the best
lol
high goblet
also I know lot of people seem to be kinda worried bc of the reviews saying there is barely knux on screen but idk
what if its just like the first sonic movie
vital eagle
some reviewers tend to play up certain aspects (positive appliance or constructive criticism wise.)
So atp, fans might be better off just seeing or not seeing for themselves with wherever they're at in mindset abt it.
errant steeple
Superstars is almost gone!
proven oriole
also I know lot of people seem to be kinda worried bc of the reviews saying the...
I mean, if the Kotaku runtime is to be believed, he appears in 44% of the series runtime
which is the same amount Kate Bishop appears in Hawkeye for her respective series' runtime
obtuse owl
when are they gonna change the pfp to shadow to reflect the year of shadow smh
proven oriole
which is the same amount Kate Bishop appears in Hawkeye for her respective serie...
not to say that there isn't any validity to that criticism, various reviews do say it. But I feel it is less about the runtime and more so how much he appears in specific episodes
errant steeple
ITJEIFNWORNJDJW
proven oriole
😭
wise hazel
https://fixupx.com/cryptic4kqual/status/1782527012009021856?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G...
They hate episode 4 because its a musical, I think that's gonna be fun, I grew up watching some musical movies back in the days.
obtuse owl
maybe 4 is a unlucky number for sonic
obtuse owl
proven oriole
I mean, a review in particular does say Knuckles returns to the fray by the end of said episode so idk what's up with 5 and 6
errant steeple
high goblet
when are they gonna change the pfp to shadow to reflect the year of shadow smh
they gotta take that fugly classic sonic out
wise hazel
One of the early reviews didn't like episode 4 because of this or that, But I think its all subjective, This person isn't probably used to certain styles.
errant steeple
Anyways erm Knuckles hype
obtuse owl
💀
wise hazel
Me when one of these people inevitably calls Shadow "Sonic's side-kick"
Those same people are gonna call Amy Sonic's girlfriend.
lyric willow
That's whatever honestly
civic marlin
Im pretty sure there are more chances for them to say sonics evil counterpart
Than sidekick
wise hazel
Some will probably say Sonic's clone
wise hazel
Or they say Rouge is Shadow's girlfriend, Some would be mad at that, because they prefer Rouge with Knuckles.
civic marlin
Id be mad cuz women are more than just being some dudes girlfriend
errant steeple
Ignore me the picture didn’t send
vital eagle
The more I see abt the Knuckles being absent thing, it really seems like a dependance factor on the viewerr.
Some are saying that it doesn't detract from the show by any means, by the time he's back on screen.
Some say that it feels unbalanced, or it is balanced.
wise hazel
Its all subjective
The movies had a balance between the humans and Sonic, and it was still fine
vital eagle
But the general consciences with either angle is that they want to see more Knuckles even if they felt 'fulfilled' by the tscreentime he had, or they think he didn't have.
So it's just interesting from the outside looking in
proven oriole
https://twitter.com/PotOfGreedo/status/1782473521853026603
Yeah I checked and Knuckles has a very good amount of screen time. Like his data implies Knuckles has 44% of screen time with respect to the total runtime of the show
He has more screen time than Sam, Kate Bishop and Loki in their respective shows relative to their total runtime
proven oriole
(the data on itself was fine but they posted it without context and in a vacuum so it looks worse than it is as people don't have any reference what it means)
neon yarrow
https://twitter.com/PotOfGreedo/status/1782473521853026603
so just one episode out of 6 where Knucklea doesnt get alot of screen time?
thats....not bad at all lmao
high goblet
ye
neon yarrow
some people made this a big deal for nothing
obtuse owl
Exactly
high goblet
thats why is better to wait for the release honestly
obtuse owl
Many tv shows do this a lot
high goblet
cuz maybe they just felt it was too much of wade but for some other it was enough time idk
obtuse owl
Amphibia even made a joke about this 
civic marlin
Ig the last few episodes its gonna have less knuckles too, but i dont think hes gonna be fucking absent
proven oriole
Ig the last few episodes its gonna have less knuckles too, but i dont think hes ...
yeah they're the reno episodes
the elevator clip, the final fight, etc
wise hazel
https://twitter.com/PotOfGreedo/status/1782473521853026603
Can't never take Kotaku seriously, They are more hung up on that then trying to review the actual series for what it is.
haughty lava
Can we not go into “dunk on reviewers for having opinions” mode again please, this happens every time and it’s always universally embarrassing to witness
wise hazel
Like who cares how much screentime a CGI character has in a piece of media, What we want to know if that piece of media is any good from a storytelling point.
haughty lava
Like, I disagree that it’s too little personally and judging by numbers isn’t a great metric, but every single reviewer has mentioned there’s little knux in this, that isn’t for naught
civic marlin
Can we not go into “dunk on reviewers for having opinions” mode again please, th...
True i was not dunking on the reviews i was just thinking that like
Yea there is less knuckles for sure but i dont feel hes gonna be super absent
wise hazel
also the episodes are short, like 20 something to over 30 minutes, There's only so much you can do with that shorter time
haughty lava
True i was not dunking on the reviews i was just thinking that like
Nah you’re good, it’s mostly people going “OHHH ITS KOTAKU THOSE MEANIES WHO KICK PUPPIES” as a way to absolve all criticism lol
civic marlin
Nah fuck that lmfao
Most people that are like this also are the type to watch videos about dudes complaining about women in movies
vital eagle
Ig the last few episodes its gonna have less knuckles too, but i dont think hes ...
From the little I read it's mostly just that Knuckles & Wade by the time of the last few episodes kind of just split up to deal with their own stuff up to that point.
The majority of Knuckles screentime of him being present is him in companionship with Wade, so ig that threw some folks off.
civic marlin
Yea i imagine
sinful orchid
anyway reminding myself to sign up for that one-week free trial for Paramount+ come Wednesday
turbid hull
why not thursday
proven oriole
from what I could get, Knuckles is the protagonist in the first 3 episodes, wades protagonizes ep4, and ep5 and 6 have a balance but probably it felt a bit abrupt so it felt like Knuckles pressence reduced in comparison to the first half
wise hazel
Do it on the day of the show
Im gonna try stream it on friday night over the video chat.
civic marlin
from what I could get, Knuckles is the protagonist in the first 3 episodes, wade...
At least is not like danganronpa v3
Omg
This is Apollo Justice
Kwndjajwnz2ixnekmzwmx
And Wade is Phoenix
haughty lava
Most people that are like this also are the type to watch videos about dudes com...
There’s definitely an element of that, but a lotta the time it feels like people go in a cycle of hunting out the ‘good’ reviews to put high atop pedestals, considering any with any minor bit of critique outside the accepted norm as ‘bad’ reviews and dissecting those like a frog
civic marlin
But yea agreed
haughty lava
that then leads into said people looking way too deep to judge the site in question as a whole, John kotaku said this, Jim polygon said that
(despite 90% of the time this stuff being done by freelancers being paid way less than they should!!)
It’s a vicious circle and the sooner its nipped in the bud each time the better
vital eagle
Why did so many folks latch onto the Kotaku one opposed to looking at other viewpoints, and just leavin it at that review alone.
Not that you can't, but it's like so many folks immediately gave up hope after that one hit the page
proven oriole
Why did so many folks latch onto the Kotaku one opposed to looking at other view...
People like to attach to the doompost in a sense
My mom told me that it works akin to seeing a car crash
it's horrible, tragic depending of it's magnitude
but you keep curiosity on watching it on some form
lyric willow
Because people latch on to controversy
And the people at Kotaku know this and they milk it
finite onyx
Why did so many folks latch onto the Kotaku one opposed to looking at other view...
I'm moreso confused because this channel keeps mentioning "oh no multiple reviews say there's a lack of knuckles" and then resumes talking about kotaku as the primary driving force
wise hazel
And the people at Kotaku know this and they milk it
its all about the clicks
Put in a headline that will get people to open the page
vital eagle
I'm moreso confused because this channel keeps mentioning "oh no multiple review...
I personally don't doubt that there may feel like there's a minor lack of prescense from him, but I also know that it just varies from people.
That and it's told in a different tone or way compared to Kotaku's angle (and past references of articles and kind stretching things out into somthn larger)
civic marlin
It is kinda funny that some dude just went like KNUCKLES SCREEN TIME IS PERFECTLY FINE CUZ KOTAKU SAYS ITS NOT AND ITS KOTAKU AND EVERYTHING THEY SAY ITS WRONG EVEN IF 90% OF REVIEWS SAID KNUCKLES IS KINDA ABSENT LATER IN THE SERIES
lyric willow
If you exclude episode 4 he's basically in half the run time of 5 episodes. That's very likely on par with Sonic's screentime in the movies
wise hazel
To tell a story, they have to kind of cut way from the main character to show other characters setting up a plot.
finite onyx
If you exclude episode 4 he's basically in half the run time of 5 episodes. That...
Where are people getting these times from
civic marlin
Wait pot of greed watched it?
finite onyx
I was assuming so given how he was saying it
civic marlin
Hmm
haughty lava
Put in a headline that will get people to open the page
Yes because SEO ruined writing professionally on the internet and they literally gotta do that to pay the bills
finite onyx
I don't believe there's a clear way to know from the tweet itself anymore though
Could go either way
vital eagle
I'm also going by what Nova stated, in terms of them comparing Knuckles 'stated' screentime in comparison to other shows akin to it (Marvel shows)
proven oriole
Where are people getting these times from
Kotaku posted the screentime of Knuckles, as well as the total runtime of the series
so from there people got some conclusions
finite onyx
Ok let me check that
wise hazel
We have seen media where CGI creatures had maybe 2 minutes of screentime, and and it was still good.
errant steeple
https://twitter.com/PotOfGreedo/status/1782473521853026603
LMAOOOOOO
proven oriole
yeah
finite onyx
Then where are people getting that he shows up in half of the episodes outside of episode 4?
obtuse owl
Another thing to remind is also credits and intro
wise hazel
I feel like some people are just trying to find some excuse to hate on humans on Sonic media, Like how some didn't like them in Sonic X.
obtuse owl
fr
civic marlin
Did they even count credits and intro
obtuse owl
Even wtih X the human cast are solid
finite onyx
172 minutes
obtuse owl
They do yeah when it comes to showing the length, henry
civic marlin
Cuz if they didnt that is possibly likr
finite onyx
28 mins per episode
civic marlin
10 minutes of credits at the end
obtuse owl
Like when I was watching Bad Batch the length acts like over 30 minutes but it's mostly due to the credits
civic marlin
Yea like
Shows nowdays have really long credits cuz of dubs
So i feel they are counting credits
proven oriole
If my memory doesn't fail, a review I read did say episode 4 is where wade gets kidnapped and knuckles appears at the end just to close the episode
finite onyx
That's the kotaku one yeah
civic marlin
And lets say there is like
50 minutes of credits
Cuz like
In total
Thats a lot of time amount
I dont wanna be a total like copium
civic marlin
Yep
obtuse owl
Yeah exactly
finite onyx
Maybe 30 minutes per episode? Including credits
civic marlin
So how much are they
finite onyx
In which case the credits could be two minutes or less
sick bloom
https://fxtwitter.com/soniccitynet/status/1782518952305758281
I cry myself to sleep at night knowing I'll never be as fucking cool as Pistol Pete
civic marlin
https://twitter.com/cryptic4kqual/status/1781076390600638715
Thats fucked up
finite onyx
adding up all these times gives 169 minutes of runtime
So I guess kotaku's count was higher? might be including some credits, might not
wise hazel
that including the credits?
obtuse owl
Okay ep1 I can figure this one out
Due to being the first episode it's basically being a far more introduction
After that the later episodes started to get a bit more consistent
......er wait
I see ep5
nvm 💀
proven oriole
one review was kinda funny
apparentely ep3 is about trying to see Knuckles' Jewish roots
lyric willow
Then where are people getting that he shows up in half of the episodes outside o...
Many reviews said he only shows up at the end of episode 4
civic marlin
Yea cuz wade gets kidnapped ig
finite onyx
Yeah but that doesn't exclude the rest
wise hazel
It dropped down to 70%
finite onyx
Ok time for me to actually read reviews
wise hazel
7 Fresh, 3 Rotten so far
obtuse owl
apparentely ep3 is about trying to see Knuckles' Jewish roots
NAH HOLD UP
I AM GOING TO WATCH THAT EPISODE THE MOST LMAO
That kind of context is fucking crazy
proven oriole
Isnt Wade jewish
Yeah. The review I read about it basically says that they try to do a parallel with Knuckles on that aspect in particular
civic marlin
What the
wise hazel
For some reason, RT doesn't show the actual reviews any more, You used to be able to see them.
wise hazel
RT completely changed the layout
finite onyx
Found the Kangaroo Jack one 💀
obtuse owl
LMFAOOOOOO WHAT!?
finite onyx
"Its relatively lower budget means that, by episode four, there are entire episodes where the CGI echidna — voiced, once again, by Idris Elba — appears for less than a couple of minutes in total."
Ok so it's not just Kotaku
near prism
> "Its relatively lower budget means that, by episode four, there are entire epi...
Why did they word it like that 😭
proven oriole
Someone did bring an example that Beetlejuice only appears 10 minutes in his movie
crimson torrent
Found the Kangaroo Jack one 💀
Not my childhood trauma again
civic marlin
I like this
lyric willow
Don't like
How much the word silly is being attached to the series
In the reviews
wise hazel
Those are spoilers btw
lyric willow
I'm all for taking the piss out of things but like
civic marlin
So pacman is knuckles conscience
lyric willow
Don't want it to be one big joke
civic marlin
Eh you worry too much
crimson torrent
How much the word silly is being attached to the series
I feel people gaslights themselves into only remember 15% of the content of the movies because the other 85% is exactly as this show is being described
vital eagle
I’m gonna assume that his tribe share a thing or two with Jewish culture, and it just works itself out in a wholesome way
finite onyx
Why is this outside of spoilers 💀
civic marlin
FUCK
finite onyx
.......
proven oriole
I’m gonna assume that his tribe share a thing or two with Jewish culture, and it...
Yeah. A couple of reviews do point it out as wholesome
civic marlin
AAAAGHHHH
errant steeple
Those are spoilers btw
You literally said what Ep 4 was
finite onyx
That's the SECOND TIME now
wise hazel
It wasn't a plot spoiler
civic marlin
vital eagle
The show has even been described to have some emotional beats for the two leads anyway. Yeah it’s goofy, but it’s still keeping the heart of it all. So it’s not like its rapid fire, and being ungenuine from what I hear, like some think
turbid hull
lyric willow
I feel people gaslights themselves into only remember 15% of the content of the ...
Oh it is. I don't want that to be the case from the creative perspective
gloomy scarab
Can we get much higher!
r u proud Sega
lyric willow
Like I don't want them to creatively take the piss of out of Sonic 3 (like putting fart jokes where they don't need to be)
And I don't reviewers to be conditioned to think this is all totally silly
And get weirded out when it's slightly less silly
crimson torrent
Like I don't want them to creatively take the piss of out of Sonic 3 (like putti...
Sonic 3 will be exactly like 2 and 1. I think it's delusional to think the tone will be anything remotely close to SA2
lyric willow
Im very careful with my wording
And im talking about very minor tonal shifts
Even going from what the movies are right now to becoming more like Marvel movies
That's a tonal shift that could instigate those kind of comments
crimson torrent
movie 1 and 2 are nothing alike
They are tonally the same, 2 has budget and has more game references. That's it
The writing style is exactly the same
wide pike
The difference isn’t in tone, its in stakes
crimson torrent
The difference isn’t in tone, its in stakes
I guess, but that really means nothing to me
wide pike
that’s cool and all but I wasn’t really talking to you 😭
high goblet
the tone in 2 is nothing like the first one 💀
wide pike
I’d say it is
crimson torrent
Paramount has a very clear idea of what they want these movies to be and that won't change with Shadow or the Knuckles show as we've seen.
wise hazel
There wasn't much of a stake in the first movie, It was more of a road trip / chase movie, The second had the stakes because of a Mcguffin
crimson torrent
Yeah but stakes are...like the lowest possible metric to asses the value of a movie
finite onyx
Eeeh
wide pike
?
If we’re talking about tone than
Yes, it kinda is 😭
But it depends on the case
A movie can have apparent high stakes but still be very silly
wise hazel
The stakes are if you have someone that wants to take over the world, But should that be in every movie, each movie someone plotting to take over the world, something that's been done so many times.
wide pike
A movie can have low stakes but also take itself very seriously
wise hazel
Perfect Chaos and the Biolizard, Those are huge stakes.
wide pike
But
But what I was trying to say is that I don’t think Sonic 3 will be the exact same tonally, I think it will take itself a bit more seriously
wise hazel
Those are what I would call Avengers level threats.
wide pike
And that more has to do with Shadow as a character
wise hazel
Sonic 3 is gonna end on Sonic and Shadow going Super and defeating the Biolizard in Space.
wide pike
Jeff had said pretty early on that Sonic won’t be able to handle Shadow the same way as Knuckles because of how damaged he is
hot wolf
So like whats the verdict on the show?
wide pike
Oh right this is knuckles thread 
civic marlin
Wade/10
wise hazel
So like whats the verdict on the show?
Its like 50/50 it seems, Some critics like it, some didnt
hot wolf
Its like 50/50 it seems, Some critics like it, some didnt
Is knuckles actually barely in it
wise hazel
Some of the reviews don't even talk about that stuff
errant steeple
So do think they’ll have a credit song?
wide pike
Is knuckles actually barely in it
||He has about the same screentime as Sonic in the movies apparently, but there is an episode where he only shows up at the beginning and the end ||
hot wolf
||He has about the same screentime as Sonic in the movies apparently, but there ...
Oh so people are just overreacting 😭
wise hazel
Some critics complain about Knuckles not being in it much, While other critics like the series as a whole, and don't bring up those issues, Some critics just like to nitpick more then others.
hot wolf
Oh
wide pike
Just expect a focus on Wade tbh
wise hazel
It don't matter for me, Whats important, Is if the show is entertaining, enjoyable, and fun, The stuff they nitpick about isn't that important to me.
We all just want to just sit around, relax and enjoy a good show
gloomy scarab
||He has about the same screentime as Sonic in the movies apparently, but there ...
heard he's barely in the last 3 episodes
proven oriole
||He has about the same screentime as Sonic in the movies apparently, but there ...
In movie 2, Sonic appears 49 minutes out of 122 that is the total movie, which is around 40% of the movie
wide pike
heard he's barely in the last 3 episodes
where
gloomy scarab
I sent somebody's review thread siiigh
wise hazel
What is the runtime of Sonic, Tails and Knuckles in Sonic 2, and I mean how many minutes per character?
gloomy scarab
wide pike
thanks joe
proven oriole
What is the runtime of Sonic, Tails and Knuckles in Sonic 2, and I mean how many...
Sonic has 49
Tails has 30
Knuckles has 17
lyric willow
Only now the wedding subplot is small lmao
wise hazel
Sonic has 49
Tails has 30
Knuckles has 17
Now imagine what the runtime will be for Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Shadow in Sonic 3.
lyric willow
When the movie was out everyone wanted to jump on the bandwagon that this 10 minute weddihn scene ruined the movie
proven oriole
Now imagine what the runtime will be for Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Shadow in So...
It will depend of how it is distribuited within the story's context
wise hazel
that's more characters then the last movie, and not including the humans
gloomy scarab
Only now the wedding subplot is small lmao
different views alert 🚨
open vigil
Sonic has 49
Tails has 30
Knuckles has 17
So knuckles is more present in the knuckles series than sonic was in sonic 2 ?
lusty summit
When the movie was out everyone wanted to jump on the bandwagon that this 10 min...
this is actually true lol im not sure what changed
wise hazel
adding one extra character, You either have to increase the runtime of the movie, Or shorten a character's screentime to fit the screentime of another.
open vigil
Or did i missread somthng about the amout of time kncukles is in his own series
proven oriole
So knuckles is more present in the knuckles series than sonic was in sonic 2 ?
Yeah. Even in relation to the total runtime of both sonic movie 2 and Knuckles series, Knuckles in his series appears 4% more than Sonic in movie 2 (if Kotaku's numbers are to be believed, of course)
wise hazel
you might end up with plotholes if the movie had a shorter runtime, Plotholes that would have to be addressed in a spinoff
open vigil
Of course there is sonic and tails to balance things out
But still
What about sonic 1 then ?
Of course it's gonna be higher
proven oriole
I haven't found any numbers on sonic movie 1 sadly
So I cannot do the math. Like I could find the total runtime but now how much Sonic appears specifically
wise hazel
Eventually after a couple of movies and spinoffs, I could see an animated movie many years from now, and people will praise it for not having any humans in it.
open vigil
Better lock in with a chronometer
haughty lava
this is actually true lol im not sure what changed
I forcibly made them realise how goated Barracuda by Heart is as a needle drop
proven oriole
Better lock in with a chronometer
Mhm. But also is good relative to other series.
Like Knuckles appears, proportionally speaking, as much as Kate Bishop appears in Hawkeye in the MCU series
haughty lava
thinking again about how some lego fans measure value by Price Per Part, only for it to be a flawed statistic due to how a single part can be literally any amount of plastic
example: the most value you can get from a lego set, according to PPP, is this world map cos it comes in at 1.8p per part
(despite, well, look at it lol)
it's not about the numbers, it's about what they do with em
proven oriole
it's not about the numbers, it's about what they do with em
Yeah yeah. I just started it cause some people were a bit mislead by the runtime given by Kotaku (not that the runtime is wrong but it isn't a meassurement people bring into the equation when discussing about appearance so it doesn't have anything to compare to)
obtuse owl
I think the problem might be more "impact" than "runtime". Sonic felt incredibly impactful in Sonic 2, but if Knuckles ends up feeling like a side character in a tv show named after him, then it's a problem
Also, a lot of people just straight up find Wade boring, which I imagine plays a big part in the backlash
haughty lava
I think the problem might be more "impact" than "runtime". Sonic felt incredibly...
yeah I think this is fair, interested to see the balance they take in a couple days
absolutely refuse to believe wade could be boring mind, he wasn't really much in 1 but really came into his own in 2
(honestly its still surprising how much from 1 they ended up carrying over human-wise to 2??)
wise hazel
I have no issue with Wade, I love that he made the Ghostbusters reference in 2.
proven oriole
If anything, a lot of reviews do say you emphatize with him a lot
and that he gets to be very endearing
proven oriole
I think the problem might be more "impact" than "runtime". Sonic felt incredibly...
Yeah I think it leans into that more than actual runtime
like the runtime is the average for a protagonist to appear but it probaby is more prominent in the first half of the series
compared to the second
and what the character does in that half
obtuse owl
I personally find Wade boring compared to the rest of the movie. When I go see a Sonic movie I want to see Sonic and co go on adventures, not watch Adam Pally makes jokes that are hit-or-miss for me. Exepectations play a big part in how endearing/annoying you find something
proven oriole
I personally prefer to watch and see what they can come up with. Like Wade isn't my favorite character either but if they make it work, then I am fine with that. The Sonic cast also works like that, if they take risks then they can probably do a story with them
high goblet
When the movie was out everyone wanted to jump on the bandwagon that this 10 min...
yeah 😭
I dont believe is THE worst part tho but the change of pace there was ehh
for me the dance scene was prolly the worst one
obtuse owl
The dance scene at least played into Tails and Sonic growing closer, wedding scene was a bit of a drag for both me and my friend who isn't a Sonic fan
haughty lava
Wedding scene was fun, think the bit that dragged for me was the leadup to it with using Tails backpack to rescue him and sonic
that and the bit with Tom going “hey wow look at these muscle guys I love muscle guys wish sonic had some muscle guys”
obtuse owl
Even tho I did not buy for a second that they were in danger from the crowd of people
When the previous "bar scene" in the first movie had Sonic basically stop time to do whatever he wanted for a solid minute or two
wide pike
that and the bit with Tom going “hey wow look at these muscle guys I love muscle...
erm erm it was actually Tom saying he wish sonic had wingmen
haughty lava
Honestly I love how absurdist that scene is in parts, the main dance-off guy having a tattoo of himself on his chest
and then when he loses he just, keels over and dies
wide pike
which is clever foreshadowing to the fact sonic indeed got wingmen
haughty lava
mr cinemawins over here
haughty lava
So much more of the comedy in 2 is so much dafter and it’s all the better for it
obtuse owl
I do like the guy having himself tattooed on his chest
haughty lava
I’m so glad the Knux show looks like just more of that turned to 11 with the bowling stuff, I need to see what the fuck is up with the Union Jack man
finite onyx
Same
proven oriole
I’m so glad the Knux show looks like just more of that turned to 11 with the bow...
Yeah, the reviews seem to point that this show leans more into the absurdity and slapstick than either of the sonic movies
wide pike
still need to know how the fuck this even happens
wise hazel
Gotta be a dream sequence
proven oriole
still need to know how the fuck this even happens
this is the dumb kind of stuff that I like
wide pike
Gotta be a dream sequence
no im choosing to believe Wade willing put himself in a knuckles suit
haughty lava
Finding out this is both the knux-lite ep and something else is so immensely amazing
NEED to watch this ep
proven oriole
yeah episode 4 seems to be the most insane episode out of the bunch
wise hazel
Indeed, and probably the most fun
high goblet
still need to know how the fuck this even happens
thats the episode everyone saying that knuckles barely appears
proven oriole
like both bad and good reviews I've read to point out that episode in particular as 'taking them off guard'
wide pike
heard it’s either the favorite or the least favorite
haughty lava
also, permit me if you may
a rare hot take
obtuse owl
I've also heard it's the one with the most Wade in it, guess your opinion on him makes it or breaks it
wise hazel
I like it when they embrace the weirdness.
haughty lava
rare Jane hot take coming in hot, like hot takes do
very funny watching some people lambast this show for the human focus whilst also eagerly awaiting an adaptation of SA2
SA2, the famously human-lite entry in the series
wise hazel
Sonic 3 will not adapt SA2 one to one, Its more like they take some inspirations from it, And do there own thing with it.
obtuse owl
Yeah. There are certain scenes which I hope are similar (Sonic getting ejected into space and Tails fighting in his place please and thank you) but chances are it's not going to be anywhere close to a 1:1
errant steeple
Watching Knuckles early
wise hazel
Im curious about that whole sequence.
obtuse owl
I mean after with the master emerald I Don't expect any sonic related to be complete 1:1 from now on
wise hazel
Despite what the leaks showed
haughty lava
Yeah. There are certain scenes which I hope are similar (Sonic getting ejected i...
No no I mean like, the double standards
turning up noses at the current human focus in this whilst also desperately craving the game where a girl gets her head blown in by soldiers - new humans bad, only nostalgic humans
obtuse owl
I mean, both Maria and Gerald don't actually get that much screentime and both are long dead by the time the game starts, and Eggman is still the most prominent human. It may just be how much time people feel like they "take away" (said with heavy quotation marks) from the animal characters
shut locust
https://twitter.com/FTCR/status/1782586538221604895 There we go! Now that's accurate
Twitter
proven oriole
😭
shut locust
https://twitter.com/PersonthePerso2/status/1782606844722045345 i'm betting the rumoured Shadow spinoff is this, but with Racheal instead of Randall, AND I WITHOUT A DOUBT WON'T COMPLAIN
Twitter
proven oriole
https://twitter.com/PersonthePerso2/status/1782606844722045345 i'm betting the r...
😭
errant steeple
https://twitter.com/PersonthePerso2/status/1782606844722045345 i'm betting the r...
Agent Handle! LETS GO
near prism
https://twitter.com/PersonthePerso2/status/1782606844722045345 i'm betting the r...
the only human in this universe i care about is Wade but eh
obtuse owl
My personal fav is Agent Stone
errant steeple
Twitter
near prism
Oh my
vapid slate
turning up noses at the current human focus in this whilst also desperately crav...
One of those is both relevant and important to establishing a non-human character's backstory. The other one is Wade
silver nebula
also frankly i cant say i would be for a "shadow" show where maria takes most of the screen time
over shadow
vapid slate
Like, I also don't agree with the comments that humans should be removed from the series or whatever, but if your show is less about a titular character and more about a side character that wasn't exactly relevant in the movies and was more of a comedic gag, I feel like it's a valid problem that people are allowed to have with the show
It's like if there was a spin-off show called Luigi, but it was actually about that backpack toad and how he should become more brave or whatever
Or if FF7 got a spin-off show called Tifa and it was more about Johnny becoming brave
civic marlin
Why is there always a catch with this series
vapid slate
Or something like that
proven oriole
Why is there always a catch with this series
Mom said that the Sonic franchise is like a box of chocolates: you don't know what you will get
lusty summit
also frankly i cant say i would be for a "shadow" show where maria takes most of...
I absolutely would if I’m being honest
Fleshing out Maria is neat
Actually
I’d rather have “Maria - A Shadow the Hedgehog Story” over a side series actually focused on shadow
proven oriole
I absolutely would if I’m being honest
That would be an interesting idea if I am honest. Like out of jokes, I think that could be cool, fleshing out Maria and her friendship with Shadow.
Kinda like Lilo & Stitch in a sense
lusty summit
Yeah just seeing what Maria’s life was like on the ark and stuff
Would be a really interesting storytelling angle over doing the obvious and just making the show from shadow’s pov
proven oriole
Would be a really interesting storytelling angle over doing the obvious and just...
Yeah, yeah. We usually get stuff from Shadow's POV, but I think Maria's is as important. What does she feel? Why she wishes to go to Earth so intensely? And so on
Her relationship with Professor Geralt
it is barely touched upon in the games
Like we know Geralt loved her, but we never get to see him being just a grandfather
civic marlin
Gerald*
proven oriole
My bad
civic marlin
But yea like
Consdering that maybe maria was on earth
In this version
Maybe they could do a spinoff with her lol
That isnt just. The life on the ark
proven oriole
Mhm, ironically it would be a good idea to do a spin-off with her and Shadow
I think this is why I don't mind Wade being as it is, kinda opens the idea that Sonic stories can touch more mundane scenarios
Like I adore my sonic destroyer of kaiju, free as the wind sort of stories
But things like just chilling with the clumsy but well intended cop can hold as much as value as those over the top stories
obviously, if I feel Knuckles feels sidelined at some point, I'll address it once I get to watch the series
but overall I wouldn't mind stories like that.
silver nebula
Yeah just seeing what Maria’s life was like on the ark and stuff
see i wouldnt mind that if it was advertised as such
but like
the thing i have an issue with here is that im being sold a show about knuckles
and apperantly hes not in it very often, despite how trailers etc make it seem
proven oriole
I mean, he appears in 44% of the total series
That's around a fair amount of screentime that most protagonists get in their respective series
I would have to see what happens in the second half to see what is up with that cause the inflection point seems to be ep4
if the numbers given by Kotaku are to be believed
round sequoia
As someone who didn't even remember that Wade existed until he was mentioned as the co-star of the show, watch or pass?
proven oriole
As someone who didn't even remember that Wade existed until he was mentioned as ...
I think it ultimately depends of you. I want to watch it, what about you?
round sequoia
Eh
proven oriole
Not really interested?
gloomy scarab
10 minute credits 💀
civic marlin
Its hilarious how this show was just gonna be a silly lil thjng and now it has another fucking discourse
haughty lava
As someone who didn't even remember that Wade existed until he was mentioned as ...
Give S2 another watch, see if you dig him in that and go from there tbh
civic marlin
Is this the curse of being a sonic fan
civic marlin
True thou
vapid slate
I mean, I feel like that wouldn't really change much if reviews didn't say anything about Knuckles'/Wade's role, it'd just be maybe delayed
I dunno
obtuse owl
I am honestly glad that Knuckles show is not going to have too much connection over Sonic 3 Movie
civic marlin
True ig but its worse when i cant even see the thing yet
obtuse owl
Just a nice little side content
civic marlin
And now instead of enjoying this show all i will do is count how long knuckles will be in the show
But yea crisis averted for it not being connected to Sonic 3
Maybe it will help brace myself for impact
civic marlin
I mean who knows
haughty lava
the bit with shadow and Amy in the ark but instead of amy it’s wade
civic marlin
SURE
obtuse owl
I can see some foreshadowing to sonic 3 movie but not to the point where it goes like, "You have to watch the entire thing to get to know anything about sonic 3 movie"
plucky stirrup
Like we know Geralt loved her, but we never get to see him being just a grandfat...
Huh, I don’t remember there being a Witcher crossover
civic marlin
wise hazel
The shows are side stories, they don't need to setup a movie, think of it like, what do these characters do when they aren't saving the world, think of it as a slice of life, the movies are for big events
The shows can be use to flesh out characters, so that the movies don't spend too much time with them
Sonic 3 introduces Shadow, but I think the spinoff would allow for the character to be fleshed out, you know what I mean, shadow's game did that
sinful orchid
-
Knuckles has 300 more VFX shots than the first Sonic movie.
-
The show was basically shot back-to-back, in a way, with Sonic 3.
proven oriole
Woaaah
civic marlin
Damn
lyric willow
Hope isn't implying movie 3 wrinkles will have forehead wrinkles
round sequoia
Yeah the forehead wrinkles are...a choice
Or maybe they just didn't allocate budget to smoothing those over since he's not in the show much
high goblet
seen lot of people kinda mad or sad about the amount of human chars in the show instead of bros like the chaotix
even tho most of those chars seem to be villains no?
honestly, I must say it was kinda expected when they decided to make this movie franchise live action so
idk why some people are surprised
cosmic kindle
By now others should figure that humans will have a focus along with mobian characters.
high goblet
yuup
ofc at the same time is not an excuse cuz you know
transformers had lot of characters in the movies but most of the time they used to dissapear for the next movie
or just die in that same one
open vigil
seen lot of people kinda mad or sad about the amount of human chars in the show ...
I can't even believe that people were expected them
high goblet
I expect silver bro....
open vigil
Delulu
proven oriole
woeful fjord
I mean they gave dream team 8 too
errant steeple
It’s a joke but ok
proven oriole
😭
gloomy scarab
It’s a joke but ok
"The joke never worked"
follows it up with "it's a joke but ok" LMAOOO
civic marlin
When a tired joke happens like all i see is an L in the persons forehead
Like yea its just a joke but to say "ign liking sonic thats a first" actually triggers me LMAOOOOOO
untold walrus
IGN's fav Sonic game is Pocket Adventure
wintry edge
When a tired joke happens like all i see is an L in the persons forehead
Like ye...
Y’all take this shit too seriously 🤨
wintry edge
Consider taking a chill pill 😭
high goblet
it was clear sarcasm
civic marlin
You know what
high goblet
I dont know
civic marlin
Do you
high goblet
wintry edge
I don’t turn into a jackass over Sonic lol
high goblet
wintry edge
Y’all be acting like Sonic Twitter sometimes
high goblet
I dont feel thats the case
imo at least but sometimes you guys take stuff too literal
wintry edge
So does Sonic Twitter
high goblet
ok ok you got me
civic marlin
That was not meant to be that serious
@errant steeple sorry fang, took things too far
errant steeple
I mean… I’m not offended or hurt. I get ya tho Henry dw
civic marlin
Either way, sorry about that i went too hard over the joke
turbid hull
but the hedgehog has always been there
errant steeple
It rolls off the tongue with “the Hedgehog” removed
turbid hull
it still flows good, it's just shorter
proven oriole
The hedgehog needs to go
civic marlin
I hope we get a blue ray combo that is called Sonic 3 and Knuckles
And it has sonic 3 and the knuckles series
haughty lava
Honestly glad the Knux show is even getting a blu-ray tbh
like, was worried it’d stay locked to streaming so knowing it’ll be physical eventually is nice
errant steeple
I hope we get a blue ray combo that is called Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Hear me out on the steelbook
civic marlin
Yes
haughty lava
(Come to think of it TF Earthspark started as just on P+ but is now on everything imaginable, wonder if the knux show has a similar arrangement)
civic marlin
Honestly glad the Knux show is even getting a blu-ray tbh
It is?
errant steeple
Yeah
civic marlin
Cool
errant steeple
Twitter
errant steeple
Makes you wonder what the cover art will look like
civic marlin
I really want to have something ill want to replay
errant steeple
Same
civic marlin
I can see it being an easy watch
civic marlin
In movie 2, Sonic appears 49 minutes out of 122 that is the total movie, which i...
Huh
Thats basically around the same amount of knuckles apperance in the show
49 minutes? Thats kinda crazy
proven oriole
Thats basically around the same amount of knuckles apperance in the show
You'd be surprised to hear that Knuckles has 10% more time on screen than Thanos in Infinity war relative to the total runtime of the movie
civic marlin
Amazing
Its gonna be interesting to see where we will stand
Cuz i feel the wade focus is gonna take people offguard
proven oriole
Yeah, yeah. I feel that Wade takes a bit more of focus in the second half of the series
so it feels like Knuckles appears less in it
when it reality, he is the most prominent character of the movie
at least based on time on screen
civic marlin
I see i see
proven oriole
This is merely me theorizing why it feels that way. It could be an entire different reason once we watch the show
civic marlin
From what it seems it seems knuckles will take the screen the most in the first 3 episodes
But 4 5 6 will focus on wade
proven oriole
Yeah, it seems to be that way. Perhaps 5 and 6 have Knuckles around (compared to 4 where a review was specific about him not appearing until the very end) but given they're the Reno episodes, the main plot is probably Wade's for those two
while Knuckles has the secondary plotline
proven oriole
49 minutes? Thats kinda crazy
During this time, I found out that protagonists in series or movies tend to have around 20% to 45% of apperance with respect to the total runtime.
haughty lava
lyric willow
In movie 2, Sonic appears 49 minutes out of 122 that is the total movie, which i...
It's not crazy at all
We're just not familiar with how this kind of thing works
And you don't really feel this kind of thing when you actually watch stuff
Because the time on screen is spaced out evenly
I think it was noticeable in Knuckles because he wasn't there for a whole episode
proven oriole
Yeah that's what I was trying to figure out. It was more how the time is distributed more than the actual time on screen
civic marlin
maybe there was too much sonic in sonic prime and we felt exausted Lmao
proven oriole
lol
obtuse owl
With Prime it might have been because they benched Shadow for 90% of the episodes so Sonic was the only consistent character for the entire show
Pretty much
wide pike
https://x.com/ign/status/1782847187442979184?s=46&t=NzxXkQvD_eB6G-8-XvjXcQ
Twitter
civic marlin
Honestly this whole discussion around wade to me is entirely valid
But also i find it so funny that
It is wade
tall pawn
civic marlin
Not me personally but i do understand how hes the public enemy
Like
Wade is getting more than 100 minutes of screentime in a sonic tv show
You know how much silver and blaze have gotten
0
open vigil
💀
haughty lava
as he DESERVES
proven oriole
Wade Whipple has more screentime than most sonic characters
That's the kind of thing that makes life entertaining
civic marlin
honestly true
wise hazel
I find it amusing all the discourse over the human characters, I'm sure the series will be fine, I been through this before with another franchise.
finite onyx
The problem is that the series has been reactionary towards the perception of human additions to begin with
wise hazel
With Knuckles, Its basically like bonus content, It deals with the aftermath, So you don't really need high stakes, But rather get to see these characters sort of unwine after the last event
They don't have to do the marvel thing of setting up the next movie, Just do a side story for things unrelated to the next event, One of the pitfalls of the MCU, Is you had to watch all the series just to keep up with what's going on, and most of the time, they make very little references to the series, Maybe a line or two.
finite onyx
The problem is that the series has been reactionary towards the perception of hu...
Like, if we're to heal and get human characters back after SEGA as a group decided focusing on anthros was better to the point of excluding humans outright
We need more Agent Stones and Presidents than Chrises and Wades
wise hazel
Regarding the Humans, Agent Stone stands out the most.
finite onyx
He actually fits with what the main cast of characters actively participate in
wise hazel
Hes like the only humans the fans warmed up to, Because how Robotnik in other versions has had an asistant before.
Plus Agent Stone kind of has this bromance with Robotnik
finite onyx
People have been fine with it since the Snivley days, but that just goes to show you could have two other human characters fill the role of Decoe and Bocoe/Orbot and Cubot fairly well
You could technically have a human character fill the role of Tails if you wanted an actual Chris
But he has to actively participate to the same degree
And be likable 💀
wise hazel
fortunately the movies didn't fall into the trap of pairing a kid with another creature.
finite onyx
Imagine if Elise was more like Blaze than Princess Peach
She does have some kind of power that they use in the gameplay
Imagine if Pink Haired Lady comes around and is actually equivalent to Blaze
Having her own business that she takes care of but interacts with the cast from time to time
wise hazel
If they were to pull a Sonic 06, Have Amy do the kiss instead.
If we do get to that, It won't be like the games.
finite onyx
I'm just talking about how human characters should be added/treated to actually fit in with the series
The movies and tv show are doing their own thing and the resulting "why can't people just love the human characters"/"why can't they just focus on the animal characters" takes that go around are just making the same argument that likely put the anthro rule in place
wise hazel
This is something I dealt with another franchise, That franchise being Transformers.
finite onyx
I mean 💀
That's moreso humans being forced rather than excluded as a rule
And even there they have the human characters eventually gain suits/"was actually a transformer all along" in order to remove the underfoot aspect
It's very silly when a piece of media makes two characters that have a vast difference in terms of ability and tries to feature them both as protagonists of the story, with one defeating all the bad guys and the smaller one "doing their part" by towing a guy a certain distance or something
obtuse owl
Even with Amy I rather not have them do the "kissing"
round sequoia
as he DESERVES
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if Jane is genuinely happy about a cop getting screentime
haughty lava
I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if Jane is genuinely happy about a cop gettin...
OH GOD I FORGOT HES A COP NVM ROAST THE PIG OVER AN OPEN FIRE
round sequoia
This fandom cannot manage romance for shit
On Monday's Bumblekast Ian actually opened with a condemnation of this before any questions
round sequoia
OH GOD I FORGOT HES A COP NVM ROAST THE PIG OVER AN OPEN FIRE
Too late caught in 4k
civic marlin
But he wants to be a bowling player
obtuse owl
Regardless I rather have them finding new ways to introduce the chars
civic marlin
His sister is the cop of all cops tho
obtuse owl
Shadow is the only one I can accept because SA2 story literally exist
Even if they do something different, they still have to stick with the same origin over Shadow since it's basically part of his char
proven oriole
I mean, both Tom and Wade seem to be the type of guys that just wish to do good. Heck Tom beat G.U.N. agents in the second movie and Wade assisted Sonic and Tails after escaping of Knuckles
civic marlin
Yep they are fine in my book
finite onyx
That goes for all cop characters in media though, that's largely why that's the reason they're called out
civic marlin
Yea i guess so lmao
finite onyx
If you see anyone taking an issue with them it's not because Tom is a bad person 💀
obtuse owl
he never is. Tom is basically doing the right thing
civic marlin
Is more so the idolisation of a profession thats really skewed in rl
But eh
I grew numb to it
Tom is less of a cop and more of a guy that helps oldladies and ducks cross a street
finite onyx
Anyway Tom is good he bounces off of Jim really well
civic marlin
Pastry King
obtuse owl
A chad that punches people
bro is him actually punching robotnik in the face 3 times lmao
civic marlin
Is he gonna punch him again in sonic 3
finite onyx
He's already got 3 in apparently, that seems like the right amount
Any more and it'd be over quota
Wade
We'll see what they're cooking
proven oriole
mhm
finite onyx
I think it'll be slightly better than that one X episode
Where Knuckles is just going around with that one guy
civic marlin
Wade is more carismatic than that dude
finite onyx
Wade and charismatic in the same sentence 
proven oriole
civic marlin
Yes
finite onyx
https://tenor.com/view/sonic2-wade-sonic-agent-stone-what-would-you-like-on-your...
That's like the only scene I enjoyed his character in
And tbf
It's a really good scene
obtuse owl
Honestly I will say X but expanded
spark wind
https://tenor.com/view/sonic2-wade-sonic-agent-stone-what-would-you-like-on-your...
Imagine denying a free bagel
obtuse owl
Because I really love the idea of Knuckles pairing up with a nobody
To me is just shows more so that Knuckles is very compassion to help others even if they aren't important to the plot
civic marlin
Actually the multiple phones moment made me laugh on theaters
And so did everyone
finite onyx
Ok that one's good too lmao
open vigil
https://tenor.com/view/sonic2-wade-sonic-agent-stone-what-would-you-like-on-your...
hmmm...
yeah that's not really funny
finite onyx
I guess it's the garage scene that's largely my dominant impression of him
Which sucked
proven oriole
https://youtu.be/aztwxo6s7vU?si=AeeId1WAwEhTFdJ_
I like a lot how he cannot handle the power off, like the town is usually just so chill that an emergency like that completely overwhelms him
civic marlin
Which sucked
Yea that one sucked
wide pike
*yeah that's not really funny*
no soul
civic marlin
I forgot that eggman had like
Agents
Following him
In the first movie
Not just stone
civic marlin
Right
proven oriole
one that they didn't like to have lmao
civic marlin
Yea like he was terrible but he was useful to them
And stone was the one that liked him around
proven oriole
liked him in more of one sense
civic marlin
True lmao
proven oriole
obtuse owl
I will say it's possible
proven oriole
It's possible, although Eggman hates working with humans lol
civic marlin
True
proven oriole
I guess he can let a few slip if they prove to be useful but otherwise, he prefers his machines altogether
shut locust
tbh, i think Amy will join the Wachowski family at the end of 3
civic marlin
He just likes eggman but hes like i can fix him and stuff
No hes just as bad
Hes fucked up lmfao
And i love it
shut locust
but not Shadow and/or Rouge, Amy will probably be the last one
untold walrus
Toxic yaoi
proven oriole
Hes fucked up lmfao
devoted to Eggman to the very end
obtuse owl
Stone is incredible 
proven oriole
even with all the abuse he gets lmao
finite onyx
Yeah I don't think I like Wade still
I expect the TV show to be like
The main source of fun scenes
Movie 1 still had him as too forced uh... funny imo
untold walrus
Wade is like any other comic relief side character, good in small doses but not as a main character
finite onyx
Did not laugh at the rhianna bit
civic marlin
Lets see how wade works as a main character
Honestly the thing to me that truly annoys me is when
finite onyx
The writing better be A LOT better
civic marlin
A character has no agency
finite onyx
Yea
untold walrus
The Stay Puft bit pisses me off like man yes talk about how derivative things are, maaaad funny 😐
civic marlin
Is just the butt of the jokes
If they actually make him competent i might actually enjoy
untold walrus
Seems like he will near the end
civic marlin
Yea
OH MY GOD
i fucking forgot that there is guns in sonic 1
Not on sonic 2
They are all taser guns
But in sonic 1
finite onyx
Wade carrying more heat than anyone else
civic marlin
Uhhh
finite onyx
Let it be known
untold walrus
They babyfied their own kids movie
civic marlin
I wonder what sonic 3 will do
untold walrus
Hilarious
finite onyx
Honestly Eggman coming in all Master Emeralded was funny as well
It's just it sucks that he was reduced to just cowering role again
haughty lava
Late cos shower but Tom isn’t that interesting to me imo, really the main draw’s being a vehicle for his arc with sonic in 1 and you can tell the writers agreed cos he’s the most sidelined character in 2 lol
civic marlin
Yea
untold walrus
Yeah Tom is kinda bland
civic marlin
And now i feel he will be more of a plot device more than anything
finite onyx
He's like Sam Speed and Topaz in that they're competent and will do stuff
civic marlin
Since shadow will want to kill his family mmfao
haughty lava
Wade on the other hand, he’s sorta just there for like two jokes in 1 but he really comes into his element in 2, some great laughs cos Adam Pally is just naturally a very funny guy
haughty lava
Like I genuinely did not think he was coming back either, think that took me the most by surprise in 2 lol
civic marlin
Crazy carl absence smh
untold walrus
He's like Sam Speed and Topaz in that they're competent and will do stuff
But there’s at least a fun thing about Sam and Topaz. Sam is just as obsessed and competitive in racing as Sonic and Topaz is a fun contrast with Rouge and they have a good banter between each other.
Tom had a fun dynamic with Carreybotnik in Movie 1 but is super sidelined in 2
finite onyx
True
finite onyx
He's Sonic's dad now
civic marlin
Cuz they focused too much on the rivarly between jimbotnik and tom
And in sonic 2 they had to balance things out
finite onyx
He gets to make jokes about not being buff in spite of being similarly buff
civic marlin
Lmfao
finite onyx
And being awkward at weddings
untold walrus
Yeah I don’t feel the rivalry between Sonic and Jimbotnik is earned in 2
finite onyx
Wait what
untold walrus
Sonic barely talked to him in 1
finite onyx
civic marlin
Sonic 1 was at the very end
finite onyx
I'd have to go back and check tbh
civic marlin
It feels
Honestly he is after sonic at the end of the movie
They have that chase
And all that
untold walrus
Sonic and Jim first talk to each other at the top of the building
That’s like the start of Act 3 I think
finite onyx
But I can buy there being a rivalry between a guy that's been chasing him all movie and a guy that threw the other onto an alien planet for months
untold walrus
Eeeh idk it still feels sloppy imo
civic marlin
It does but i dont think its terrible
untold walrus
It’s just difficult for me to buy into it
finite onyx
I can think of a few other things that are harder to buy into lol
untold walrus
Maybe they should if they’re not pussies
civic marlin
The more i think about it
untold walrus
Sonic 1 had the better story structure, Sonic 2 had the better thrills and set pieces
civic marlin
I guess so
Like lets think about sonic 1
Sonic
Tom
Maddie
Eggman
Rachel
Stone
Those are basically the main characters right
untold walrus
Well Rachel is barely in it like Walters sooo idk
civic marlin
Sonic was just there to be cute
Tom was blander than he is in sonic 2
Maddie is non existant
Eggman is great but he doesnt feel like eeeeggman yet
Rachel has just one joke
Stone is just there
Sonic 2 improved in so many of these aspects that i will say
Sonic had a character arc
Tom had more of a balance with Maddie and she got to do stuff this time
Eggman is at his best
Rachel stole the show for me actually being funny wacky and helpful for a bit
Stone is actually evil
untold walrus
Man thinking about the baseball scene, I think there was a storyboard where after Sonic realizing he was all alone, he tries to keep playing in the illusion but it’s not working and then he keeps running and the energy blast happens
That’s a way better scene than the final version
Pisses me off why’d they not go with that
proven oriole
Imo both accomplish what they try to do
untold walrus
Idk the emotional impact is lost when Sonic spells it out to the audience like “I’m all alone 😭😭😭” like man trust your audience to get it for once
untold walrus
Just a me thing ig it’s just annoying
proven oriole
I mean, I think the emotion comes from the fact that Sonic runs at high speed, and yet, returns to the initial point (in this case the base) so it is a vicious circle of being fast but not being able to get away of his current situation
haughty lava
Idk the emotional impact is lost when Sonic spells it out to the audience like “...
Test screening results do be like that sometimes
See also: the tails infodump in 2
civic marlin
They are
Like sadly
We have some media literacy
People just dont understand shit
obtuse owl
It's pretty much how it is
civic marlin
Shadow: i am shadow the hedgehog, created aboard the ark by professor gerald, i am here to avenge my friend maria robotnik by desteoying this world
untold walrus
We need to go back idc if the audiences don’t like it, we need to make em smarter for once
civic marlin
Sonic: did you say Robotnik :OoOOooo
proven oriole
People just dont understand shit
Even when spelled in the face, people don't understand some things
vital eagle
Episode 4 is really intriguing me
It really seems like the split episode, out of all of em.
That and the apparent adult jokes sprinkled throughout the run, so I wonder what’ll happen there
civic marlin
Adult jokes?
vital eagle
Reviewers have said such, which some have said they were surprised they got in.
Along with a few aspects in episode 4, which they were also surprised the studio let them do.
vital eagle
I think I’ve come to the conclusion that I gotta stop worrying abt this fanbase. More specifically on twitter, and just go back to liking what I like and seeing what comes through afterwards.
Cause this movie doomposting that occurs every few weeks from 2020 - now, just showcases that everyone just expects different things to a highly emotional degree (which can be warranted) and it is what it is, at this point so far in
Which seems an obvious path to go, but better late than never for me ig
untold walrus
oh look at that muh biases have been confirmed
haughty lava
Unclickable thumbnail
No offence to the guy but looking at that I feel like if my mouse went within 10cm of it my headphones would just blast out slurs
untold walrus
im listening to it rn and yeah same general critiques, its more about wade and his problems than knux
untold walrus
No offence to the guy but looking at that I feel like if my mouse went within 10...
Ig thats like the most optimized thumbnail to get the most clicks out of people. whch comes off super manufactured but oh well it is what it is
untold walrus
but listening to this review, the guys says it feels like the show is trying to be something for the sonic movie kids but then has stuff that only adults can connect with esp with the casting choices and it doesnt mix well.
Reminds how the Boom show tackles being a show appealing to both kids and adults.
proven oriole
Hm I can see that
like the ESPN The Ocho thing
that comes from a somewhat obscure movie
although the joke of it is self explanatory
untold walrus
im 27 and i dont know wtf that is
then again i dont watch a lot of hollywood so its beyond me
proven oriole
im 27 and i dont know wtf that is
It appeared in the movie Dodgeball of 2004, and it is just a satire of how ESPN was getting lots of channels like ESPN 2 by calling it The Ocho (the eight if you wish the translation)
And the channel in particular, in the context of both Knuckles and Dodgeball, is to show more obscure sports like Dodgeball or, in this series' case, bowling
untold walrus
aaaaah i see
lusty summit
Ig thats like the most optimized thumbnail to get the most clicks out of people....
give me one moment
untold walrus
ig thats an amusing gag but its no longer as funny now that i have that explained to me
lusty summit
what browser do you guys use
errant steeple
Legit post credit for Knuckles released
civic marlin
what browser do you guys use
Chrome
untold walrus
chrome cause i refuse to change
turbid hull
chrome
I'm in too deep
proven oriole
ig thats an amusing gag but its no longer as funny now that i have that explaine...
Yeah, explaining the joke makes it less funny lol
untold walrus
Yeah, explaining the joke makes it less funny lol
cant believe u just pontaffed me
proven oriole
cant believe u just pontaffed me
My bad 😭
turbid hull
okay first of all
your jordans are completely fake
untold walrus
theres a lot of things i should be ashamed of, not enough energy to care about it all
i gotta pay a dollar for the algorithmless thumbnails? hell nah dude. id rather buy another copy of colors ultimate on xsex
proven oriole
In a sense, this kind of thing reminds me a bit of Secret rings
untold walrus
how so?
proven oriole
In the sense that, while our mobian character is the protagonist, the enviroments, problems and such belong to the co-protagonist
In the case of secret rings, Sharha
she comes from the arabian nights to say that her husband/friend, Erazor Djinn, wishes to do chaos and turnvoil and asks Sonic for help
Not saying they handle this of the same way, of course. Just brought me a bit of that similar overall feeling.
untold walrus
Yeah but ig Shahra’s story is more compelling than Wade’s so yeah
proven oriole
I mean, I wouldn't say that
mainly cause we don't know Wade's story so it is an assumption with half a base missing
we can get an idea out of the reviews, sure but just that
untold walrus
I mean a good crux is gonna be Wade in a bowling tournament, I don’t see that being anywhere near as compelling as Shahra’s toxic relationship with Erazor
vapid slate
the show is coming to that sub service I have that includes Paramount+
Oh ya--
"Coming this May"
oh
Guess I'm not watching it legally/legitimately then
lyric willow
What is that sub service
vapid slate
It's essentially a local internet TV plan that has stuff from other sub services, like HBO, Discovery, stuff like that
lusty summit
Guess I'm not watching it legally/legitimately then
Real talk
Would yall actually hold off on watching it ASAP to do a watch party here
Like, the longest you’d wait is maybe a day or something
But I could also get a free trial for p+ and make that work
haughty lava
Chances are I’d have to wait a day for the definitely-legal versions to show up on definitely-legal sites anyways, so I’m possibly game
Depends cos the mates I watched Madame Web with also had the same watch party idea lol
civic marlin
Honestly id watch it twice tbh, as long as it is silent
haughty lava
O god yea, I’d only do it with mics off here
civic marlin
Pretty dang sure thats the case so im in
wise hazel
I have an annual subscription to Paramount plus, I just wonder if my internet can handle it, 300 Mbps down, 20 Mbps up.
wide pike
Honestly id watch it twice tbh, as long as it is silent
Same
haughty lava
If not, I’d take subtitles too
errant steeple
Would yall actually hold off on watching it ASAP to do a watch party here
I’m doing a watch party with irl friends unfortunately
lusty summit
I’m doing a watch party with irl friends unfortunately
Good
civic marlin
YES subtitles please.
errant steeple
Well my family gets P+ for free cause of our phone carrier so 
Figured I’d invite my friends over who are Sonic fans to watch the series
Get pizza, grapes, Doritos and soda
finite onyx
does it get uploaded the same time worldwide or region by region
wise hazel
I need to find the right time to do it on friday, Was thinking around 8pm or 9pm EST
all this after dinner of course
finite onyx
Apparently this is the timeframe that Halo episodes went up
12 am PT
or maybe even earlier
haughty lava
Yeah that’s not fuckin happening lmaooooooo
errant steeple
Yeah I’d rather wait til Friday night
Friday is when I’ll be keeping off twitter and muting this channel
untold walrus
I’ll pull an all nighter, I did it for Prime. I can do it for this
civic marlin
Oh yea specially cuz this is shorter and
probably better
finite onyx
That last Prime stream was something else
civic marlin
Thank god i wasnt there
finite onyx
It was fun though 😭
Repetitive action for several minutes then suddenly froggy missiles
haughty lava
oh right I forgot yall actually watched Prime S3 😭😭
obtuse owl
Probably will watch whenever I have a day off
I’ve watched worse shows them prime s3
Lmao
haughty lava
hearing S3 was bad helped me finally bite the bullet on Gwitch so uh
thanks prime lol
untold walrus
That does sound like a better use of time
haughty lava
it was!! I highly recommend it
me suggesting GWitch over Prime does feel very "sorry u did not like the merry-go-round have u tried the looping rollercoaster" but hey, it's good, what can I say
untold walrus
its on the list
wise hazel
Saw that Double Toasted posted there review of Knuckles, and right from the thumbnail, You can tell that they didn't like it
haughty lava
what did these same people think of the Scott pilgrim show