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#Sonic Origins
floral stratus
devout raft
Lol
vagrant spindle
**
vagrant spindle
The game now is always gonna include plus included anyways
Yea… digitally.
Physically, hope the servers are up by then cuz if not, WHOOPS.
restive mulch
Oh yeah, you won't be able to trade Origins with the Plus DLC to other people because of this
only what's on the disc
vagrant spindle
5 years
restive mulch
hilarious
vagrant spindle
5 years and somehow they did worse than Mania Plus in terms of DLC content
One had it right within the game disc itself
The other is just a piece of paper disguised as DLC
literally how.
Fuck Sonic Origins Plus
sonic rampart
alright then
spice wigeon
No don't fuck with Origins Plus, play it because it has playable Amy, we need to support that to have her playable more
we can still criticize SEGA's bullshit anyway...
sonic rampart
nah, if you don't want it, don't get it
spice wigeon
yeah basically
sonic rampart
don't let a corporation hold you hostage just because they might do the thing you specifcally bought the thing for in the future
spice wigeon
I usually don't like not getting a game because I'm mad at superiors stupid decisions, in this case everybody should do what they want for whatever reason, I'll buy the update because I want to play as Amy
sonic rampart
I'm still getting the upgrade because I don't really mind, but it's something I'll be thinking about the next time they try something like this
if this is the last straw for you, don't get it
I mean it
vagrant spindle
No don't fuck with Origins Plus, play it because it has playable Amy, we need to...
Fuck a playable Amy, if that is how they handled the physical version of Origins then I don’t care anymore
spice wigeon
yeah I agree, if you don't want it, don't buy it
if you want to punish Sega, I'm not sure if it's fair but it's your money, your decision...
vagrant spindle
anyways this is now the Fortnite channel
https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1666097613727313921?s=46&t=IPaveL6hwiN89zfVzOVgoQ
let’s discuss that instead cuz fuck Origins
spice wigeon
... nobody is discussing anything lol
let's discuss the Ahsoka show, I decided I'm the CEO of Ahsoka
restive mulch
Pichu you're being annoying rn
vagrant spindle
tribal wave
Well ain't that a bit of an overreaction
sonic rampart
a bit?
pure flare
Yea like
I thought things were fine lol
Why need to change the topic this hard
Also this a forum if you dont like the subject you can go in another channels 
tribal wave
I mean it's not a big deal for me since I bought it digitally
lost quail
Pichu you're being annoying rn
Typical Klonoa fan behavior, truly
pure flare
Stop that 😭 hes the only klonoa fan you know
lost quail
Yeah that’s why it’s typical
vagrant spindle
even after I shut up, I still get mocked over fuckin Klonoa
lost quail
You make it so easy
sacred lotus
vagrant spindle
This tweet makes no sense at all in regards to Knuckles
sonic rampart
what? is it bad that he's playable in cd?
fringe verge
I think they just did a game of words with the Good future mechanic of CD, nothing mayor
sonic rampart
because we know that's what that meant
vagrant spindle
what? is it bad that he's playable in cd?
No
It’s the fact that they worded it as him being playable in all games via Plus
which is technically true
but still
Clarification?
shell yoke
klonoa
vagrant spindle
sonic rampart
Clarification?
It doesn't need to be clarified since the people this tweet was for know what they mean
It's not like this somehow undoes the commecials that made it clear as day
unless you're unironically saying that people would somehow be confused and think knuckles wasn't playable in the collection that includes sonic 3 & knuckles
robust whale
knux should be playable with just an update
updates and dlc are the same thing
unless you meant it differently
fading fjord
No don't fuck with Origins Plus, play it because it has playable Amy, we need to...
frontiers and sonic 5 will probably have playable amy
supple owl
capcom literally did the same thing with the mega man legacy collections physical releases so i'm not surprised
kind lintel
quartz grotto
capcom literally did the same thing with the mega man legacy collections physica...
I'd argue this is worse because Mega Man Legacy Collection 2 was at least physical on different platforms. The code is included with every version for Origins Plus
supple owl
yea fair point
hexed heron
eh i dont see it as that big a deal personally
honest plank
I'm thinking of just canceling my pre order
hexed heron
if you want to, go for it
its your money
ill back off from buying it, but if it ends up good, then ill consider
lost quail
Love me an artbook
sonic rampart
I was only getting the upgrade anyway so this for really affect me
It’s still unfortunate overall though
floral stratus
frontiers and sonic 5 will probably have playable amy
Pretty sure that's already obvious
spice wigeon
It's just me but I refuse to call the 2D game Sonic 5 it sounds so pretentious
kind lintel
i think we can all agree on that
just doesn't give a good impression because of sonic 4
devout raft
Imagine they just call it Sonic 4 
kind lintel
sonic 4 episode 3 babyyyyy
restive mulch
Blame people who are calling this alleged new game a "Sonic "5""
hexed heron
It will be called sonic 2
granite lichen
I hope it's called sonic 4 episode 3
valid narwhal
so true davih
sacred lotus
grizzled hamlet
Possible new spot/ad/commercial/infomercial probably coming:
pure flare
HUH?
shell yoke
sonic origins at sgf!!!!
grizzled hamlet
Don't think it's for that. But idk.
formal rapids
Well.
cinder saffron
This looks like a commercial
vagrant spindle
Possible new spot/ad/commercial/infomercial probably coming:
The game is now dead on arrival
again
formal rapids
origins plus is officially dead and buried
sonic rampart
what
robust whale
rest in piss sonic origins plus
tranquil cloud
Sorry Sonic Origins Plus…
granite lichen
Sorry headcanon but sonic team has to shine 🫡
shell yoke
Can't believe SEGA sent out Headcannon *to die*
It was a death trap 😭
lost quail
https://sonicresearch.org/community/index.php?threads/the-sonic-origins-music-situation.6773/
hmm seems like Jun didnt even do the redone music for 3&K music outside of the Super theme, it was just older renditions of the prototype music
sonic rampart
wild if true
pure flare
get the newer ones ffs
lost quail
What if they dont have em
tranquil cloud
What if they dont have em
What about the ones from the prototype that were leaked, which has waaay better music than the older version?
quick marsh
They probably lost the prototype
Iirc the music in origins was ripped from a real sega genesis
pure flare
Just get the prototype please
quick marsh
The people who dumped it offered the carts to sega I think
kind lintel
formal rapids
fucking what
sacred lotus
Either (A) they accidentally deleted it, or (B) they announced it too early.
vagrant spindle
either way, no one except for diehard Sonic collectors are gonna be getting it because of Superstars
granite lichen
https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1667154582558973955?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dD...
Lmfaooo
restive mulch
Either (A) they accidentally deleted it, or (B) they announced it too early.
B doesn't make sense considering the teaser tweet is still there. Not sure about A either
vagrant spindle
May Sonic Origins Plus rest in Piss
sonic rampart
vagrant spindle
sentenced to 5 years of reading Spider-Man just for the Spongebob GIF
and by reading Spider-Man
I mean all the bad ones
subtle mirage
I immediately noticed that. Man, the new/unique artstyle in the opening trailer works pretty well.
https://twitter.com/EfraArt_Mix/status/1667275939208634370
kind lintel
these two games share so much lol
fringe verge
I immediately noticed that. Man, the new/unique artstyle in the opening trailer ...
lmao
the Joder esto si es cine meme
cinder saffron
I think it's just how they do end card shots
devout raft
kind lintel
rip 
devout raft
in case someone doesn't gets it
https://youtu.be/aEmqwCkqkUk
vagrant spindle
that's an insane reference
sonic rampart
one hell of a deep cut
fringe verge
Insane reference, although in my region Digimon is somewhat popular
supple owl
i watched through it last year lel
devout raft
You know, before Superstars was annunced, I was hoping for Origins Plus to do the same thing the Megaman Legacy Collection did of hiding concepts of the next game among the old ones
But now
kind lintel
that sounds really interesting
devout raft
It is. No one noticed back then
quartz grotto
I get the idea behind this but now that Mega Man 11 has released it just kind of make this look like a mistake unless this was a scrapped idea for Mega Man 8 and decided to reuse it
devout raft
How is it a mistake? It literally was a just a tease
quartz grotto
No I mean a mistake as in accidently put in. It's a Mega Man 11 concept in the Mega Man 8 art gallery
devout raft
I dunno, considering the game released a year after the second collection, I don't see how it cant be a tease made on purpose
Also the person who first noticed and spread it around was Protodude who migh as well be Megaman fans own Katie which makes me believe it even more
quick elbow
You know, before Superstars was annunced, I was hoping for Origins Plus to do th...
they sorta did!
sonic rampart
not to mention them just adding amy in plus
though i guess that's not the same as concept art
pure flare
It is hinting at what comes next at least
quick elbow
there's a chaaaaaance the city bit from that same cutscene could be a superstars nod too judging by the intro for the latter, but too early to tell 100% til we see it ingame
pure flare
It does not look like a carnival at least
I kinda hope thats the final zone, eggman escapes to station square lmao
floral stratus
A city level as the final level will go so hard ngl
hexed heron
O shit this is still coming out
Sorry, superstars looks pretty epic so I forgot we getting cool things :)
Anyone else feel like they don’t care anymore if origins plus ends up being underwhelming cause of Superstars?
kind lintel
i feel less underwhelmed honestly
i'm focused on superstars atm
my guess is that origins plus will give us a taste of how amy controls, so that's exciting
hexed heron
I hope it comes with decent fixes at least
devout raft
Im really curious if they will make Amy save herself on CD or....?
sonic rampart
Anyone else feel like they don’t care anymore if origins plus ends up being unde...
i don't really think I could be underwhelmed considering i'm not comparing a compilation to a new release
kind lintel
Im really curious if they will make Amy save herself on CD or....?
afaik when you play tails in cd amy is removed
restive mulch
https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1668604138249125891?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dD...
what do you mean, it's 9 days till FFXVI--wait oops wrong thread
devout raft
afaik when you play tails in cd amy is removed
Oh
quick marsh
I sure as hell can't wait to buy Origins Plus just to get the data files and use them on the decomps 
sonic rampart
so devious /s
quick marsh
(I literally can't play Origins)
floral stratus
I am even more wanting to buy Origin Plus thanks to Amy lmao
I wanted to see how she feels in 1-3&K compared to Superstars
sonic rampart
that's probably what they're going for
kind lintel
now we wait for the preorders to open
spice wigeon
I want to play as Amy in the classics tbh, she looks fun to play so far?
and I will probably touch some of the game gear games too
but I'm still not getting the physical ver
pure flare
shell yoke
Well they’re cute for sure
supple owl
It is. No one noticed back then <:Derp:654743352025153547>
ah yea Mega Man Legacy Collection 2, i played through all the games on there recently
also. official Classic Amy/Knuckles models. knowing me i'll try and rip them.
however. i won't be able to for a bit, as I'm getting Origins Plus on Switch first, and then PC later on
kind lintel
https://fxtwitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1668698340966682624?t=egw_4F5JDGClqA...
lfg.....
vagrant spindle
Only 10 days till Frontiers Update 2!
quartz grotto
I was gonna say, did people forget that Frontiers had a 3rd update on the same day lol?
sonic rampart
it's not that people forgot, it's that no information about the update has come out whatsoever aside from a few cheeky tweets from kishimoto
kind lintel
granite lichen
9 days...
kind lintel
just waiting for sonic official to show amy 
granite lichen
They said in the latest stream that they are gonna play amy next week
pure flare
Is this week
Next week is the release lmao
Aka tomorrow they are gonna show Amy
And next thursday the game releases
sacred lotus
Friday*
restive mulch
nah it's 23rd
spice wigeon
23rd
pure flare
Aw fuck
hexed heron
https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1669328917877129216?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dD...
wrong bideo game >:((((
devout raft
cinder saffron
Nidio game
restive mulch
already happened
tribal wave
Amy would probably look better with bike shorts, yeah lol
pure flare
In general
kind lintel
two noses in the animation lol
tribal wave
Ain't that her eye
shell yoke
She’s so cute omg
shell yoke
OH HEY THEY HAVE A PERMANENT SHADOW UNDER HER SKIRT WOULDN’T IT BE CRAZY IF THEY DID THAT FOR MODERN AMY TOO. 
pure flare
On the 23rd it will be Classic Amy day
Is basically bike shorts
Why dont they give that to amy in frontiers?? I dont know either
shell yoke
Why dont they give that to amy in frontiers?? I dont know either
Me playing as Amy in update 3 and she goes through a dash ring
tribal wave
pure flare
Isnt Sonic Official Streaming origins with amy today?
spice wigeon
if it doesn't happen today they should probably say it now
pure flare
They said they would stream close to release so
And this is 2 weeks after the knuckles stream
pure flare
Well look at that amy looks great
fringe verge
they did a very good job with her
spice wigeon
I don't think it's the same moveset as Superstars here
they show Amy has her own drop dash
in Origins Plus
while in Superstars I think she gets the hammer jump in the first seconds of her jump, then has a second jump
plus the hammer while running
pure flare
The hammer attack on the ground works like a drop dash in superstars as well
cedar crow
I don't know how I feel about Amy having her own Drop Dash
kind lintel
https://www.youtube.com/live/8BnzzYcxxdk?feature=share
moveset doesn't look too bad
restive mulch
dead
sacred lotus
pure flare
Notice they stopped showing gameplay
sacred lotus
inb4 they use Master System versions /s
sacred lotus
formal rapids
the grid showing up like a fucking mcu cameo:
quick elbow
okay but can we talk about how the first and third options here cost the same price
granite lichen
yup
shell yoke
yea
sonic rampart
better than plus costing more imo
also wasn't it literally the same scenario with mania?
quick elbow
nope!
mania was £15 at launch with the Plus DLC for an extra £5 - the physical edition containing both, £35
Origins was £35 at launch digitally, with the Plus DLC an extra tenner - the physical edition containing both... is still £35??
make it make sense
sonic rampart
so you're mad because people who get plus don't pay more?
I'm just a bit confused as to what the overall issue is with plus's price
quick elbow
nope! I'm miffed that I have to pay extra as someone who bought it at launch lol, bit of a pisstake innit
turning around after a year and going "hey remember when you were an early adopter for our subpar ports? fuck you, give us an extra tenner cheers" is decidedly not a confidence-winner in my books
sonic rampart
i mean, i guess
robust whale
so you're mad because people who get plus don't pay more?
other way ‘round i imagine
non-plus should be less
quick elbow
or alternatively the plus contents should've simply been a free update for price parity
robust whale
or that
quick elbow
the way they've done it here just feels like nickel-and-diming and I'm rrrrrreally not a fan
robust whale
the way they've done it here just feels like nickel-and-diming and I'm rrrrrreal...
it always was a nickel and diming situation, really.
why am i paying extra for “island camera”
they can fuck off
quick elbow
oh god absolutely, especially considering the delisted cheaper versions
that in places were also much better
vagrant spindle
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1669805033192587270?s=46&t=52yR2vVNtD6...
It’s like we never left the Ubisoft ass chart for Sonic Origins
sonic rampart
honestly, this chart is the most unnecessary thing ever
vagrant spindle
Like yea it’s clearer but at the cost of people getting Vietnam flashbacks to the pre-order chart on the main site
Still not paying $10 dollars tho
I already wasted money on the digital deluxe edition and now they want more money on top of that?
fuck off
unless there’s a discount for Digital Deluxe owners (ha) I won’t be getting the Plus Expansion Pack
even if there’s a discount I ain’t paying still
|| so anyways here’s the garbage sound of the Game Gear games in Origins Plus ||
sonic rampart
||I don’t really hear any difference between it and the original||
vagrant spindle
||at least they didn’t cramp the sounds via CRIWare calls… for now||
kind lintel
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1669805033192587270?s=46&t=52yR2vVNtD6...
not this stupid chart again
fringe verge
not this stupid chart again
To be fair, charts like this are usually good to compare versions and this one does well.
I only find the last rows to be a bit redundant but from there it's good unlike the first one
kind lintel
hearing that the sonic 3 cnz tracks are unreplaced
tbh besides cnz1 they've grown on me a little
kind lintel
granite lichen
kind lintel
ORIGINS BROS, will you be ORIGINATING on June 23, 2023⁉️⁉️⁉️
lost quail
Yeah
granite lichen
the oringussy
subtle mirage
https://youtu.be/NWlpGonZKZk
How come that didn't appear in my notifications? I guess YT Shorts don't appear there, and that's probably for the better.
quartz grotto
|| https://vxtwitter.com/gamingboy256/status/1669801609897943045?s=46&t=IPaveL6h...
So idk if it's just my phone but when I have headphones on it does sound awful but if I unplug them and listen to it, it sounds better
kind lintel
#1119544197452668939
kind lintel
was slightly surprised they didn't fix it
even though people complained when they showed gameplay
valid narwhal
It's like the only thing from the dlc aside from amy and they still couldn't bother 😭
It's just emulation
On the other hand amy actually looks good
so there's that
Not enough for me to consider this dlc worth the price though ngl
foggy hazel
why is nobody talking about sega not adding the extra missions they promised?
the person that uploaded these videos stated that there are no new missions.
nor modes
valid narwhal
I mean, was it supposed to release early on purpose like that for ps4?
Or is it a mania plus moment
(same thing happened for it)
foggy hazel
I mean, was it supposed to release early on purpose like that for ps4?
pretty sure it was an accident, why would they do that?
foggy hazel
(same thing happened for it)
oh, thats a weird coincidence
kind lintel
why is nobody talking about sega not adding the extra missions they promised?
th...
you'll get the extra missions from the premium fun pack if you have base origins
and buy origins plus
foggy hazel
and a bad business move
i was going to buy it day one but now i have doubts
kind lintel
Or is it a mania plus moment
my guess is copies that have broken street date
doesn't seem like it's on the ps store
valid narwhal
oh, thats a weird coincidence
truly making origins the sequel to mania
wheat wadi
pure flare
I really hope there is a day 1 patch to fix stuff up
wheat wadi
this is not as god damn uncomprehansive as that original chart. but man I hate this format lmao
pure flare
Cuz this is gormless
foggy hazel
a n o t h e r c h a r t
restive mulch
Cuz this is gormless
excuse me this is what
devout raft
True, #OriginsNeedsGormiti
pure flare
Vinny vinesauce lingo
valid narwhal
It's comprehensive because it doesn't have to fit that many stuff in lol
still not good though, I hate looking at it
lost quail
oh
kind lintel
what are the audio engineers on origins doing man
sonic rampart
that might be why I didn't really notice the echo
i wasn't using headphones at the time
i was also listening on my phone
pure flare
So its on purpose
Not a good idea really
I get what they tried to do but might as well make it an option
It just makes the audio worse
pure flare
Sega: faithful to a fault
kind lintel
they've faked stereo on a mono audio console 💀💀💀
^
there's no "faithful" here lol
unless they wanted to "simulate" how the console sounds like from speakers
marsh pilot
Better abiltiies, sprites and everything then Origins Amy
Origins Amy couldn't even add a double jump lol
cinder saffron
What's her move
shell yoke
oh that was a fixing stuff tweet
marsh pilot
An anton blast type ability
shell yoke
didn’t even read the caption ngl
cinder saffron
This was the same person that was like "DEVS STOLE THE SUPER SONIC 3 SPRITES YOU MUST PERISH" when it was an honest mistake on their part
marsh pilot
They never said it that way and it was still very questionable
They pointed it out lol
shell yoke
I like the super amy but I think the right’s transformation looks better
marsh pilot
The dude behind the Origins sprites used those as heavy references by mistake and then made an Amy sprite that doesn't even follow Genesis limitation
cinder saffron
I am aware
marsh pilot
I like the super amy but I think the right’s transformation looks better
Everything is blurred, I think the left still looks better overalll
shell yoke
that’s fine
marsh pilot
This is also a small criticism that I had even with the mobile ports and Knuckles in Sonic 2 (nitpick)
It's like they went with a Tails in Sonic 3 approach where Knuckles just has the exact same sprites as his Sonic 3 art style
I really wish they went above and beyond and gave Knuckles Sonic 2 styled sprites
Hell would've liked a stripped back Mania Knuckles
shell yoke
It would’ve been cool
cinder saffron
But Frosty
shell yoke
but they probably thought there’s no need to put in extra work when there’s already something you can use
cinder saffron
It was like that with the original Sonic 2 lock on
And you know what happens when you don't follow something set by arbitrary limitations
You get chastised for not being faithful, but you also get chastised for being faithful 🫡
marsh pilot
I think there is a difference between giving Knuckles appropriate sprites compared to having Amy break the art styles.
They could've even made it a menu option
cinder saffron
I mean that's just more work
marsh pilot
I would've waited for a little more work
Because it seems they didn't fix the dropdash, roll jump lock at all
cinder saffron
June 23 doesn't delay itself
marsh pilot
It's a sloppy product, not even because of the Knuckles sprite, that's just a minor grievence that a mods can fix
Sonic Origins is a death by 1000 papercuts situation
It's dissapointing
shell yoke
Honestly, as much as some of the things in place suck
It’s a mild inconvenience at worse
marsh pilot
Still worser versions then I can get some place else
shell yoke
I’m saying this as someone who has no real interest in purchasing
marsh pilot
It's sloppy port even if it's fine for people who don't really care
I just wish it was more faithful, and I've chosen not to buy a product I deem low quality
So I just didn't buy it lol
shell yoke
Fair enough
Little Timmy isn’t gonna know how to download Sonic 3 Air on their mom’s computer though
Even if we as fans take issue with a lot of valid things
marsh pilot
Honestly I've made by friends get Sonic 3 AIR and it was pretty easy
shell yoke
They still have a market of people very willing to just take it because
marsh pilot
Although the other ports... yeahhh
shell yoke
Well, because Sonic’s more popular nowadays and nostalgia
marsh pilot
My issue is that Sonic 3 AIR is like the highest quality port and it just blows Sonic 1, Sonic 2, and Sonic CD's ports in terms off it.
cinder saffron
That's expected
shell yoke
I haven’t played enough of those ports to say anything of value tbh.
marsh pilot
Sonic 3 AIR is based of the OG Genesis version, is easy to install, has a decent amount of options that aren't overbearing, amazing UI, and even achievements that unlock cool shit (dropdash not being unlocked from the start)
shell yoke
I wonder how much Origins originally sold though
marsh pilot
I think Sonic 1, 2, CD are just way less assessable. I still have issues with CD's port, updating is kind of lowkey confusing for me and the UI just seems a bit worse?
shell yoke
Same with SCU
marsh pilot
But again these are fan efforts, not everything is gonna be top tier yk
shell yoke
Both are pretty looked down upon by fans, so I wonder how many units actually got sold
cinder saffron
A fan version of a relatively simple 2D game is always gonna be better than an official one because they can just constantly refine it and add whatever they want in terms of features that would be rather undesirable to include officially
Where as the official version will have a relatively small team working on it for a year or less
sonic rampart
it's not even about undesirebility
cinder saffron
And that'll be that
sonic rampart
it'd be hassle to constantly need to get certification for every minor change/feature that gets added/fixed
at least in an official capacity
marsh pilot
Origins had a peak of 2,648
sonic rampart
ok?
marsh pilot
lol
shell yoke
Players on steam I’m guessing
cinder saffron
Sonic games typically have low peak numbers on steam
marsh pilot
Frontiers has a 19,104
sonic rampart
compilations games also typically have low numbers
marsh pilot
I really believe Mania sold more then Forces. On Steam anyways
cinder saffron
Like generations is probably the most installed steam Sonic game (maybe after transformed)
But both of them have loooow peaks
marsh pilot
Mania had a peak of 11,883 players whilst Forces had like around 2000
marsh pilot
If Forces really sold more then Mania, why did Mania have such an impact whilst Forces definetly didn't get no DLC and was even seen as a critical failure lol
cinder saffron
When it was on sale for like a dollar
marsh pilot
SA2's "peak" was actually very recent
yeah i know, thought it was funny
sonic rampart
If Forces really sold more then Mania, why did Mania have such an impact whilst ...
i don't really see how the dlc thing is relevant
that stuff is usually decided before the game comes out
shell yoke
I wonder when Frontiers will hit its 4M mark
cinder saffron
Again, Sonic's playerbase is more console driven than on Steam
marsh pilot
btw, update 1 spiked Frontiers by a bit.
shell yoke
It was 3.5 last we’ve known
marsh pilot
Hopefully, they market the shit out of spindash
sonic rampart
it might hit 4 by the end of the year
cinder saffron
Frontiers is the highest peak at 19k, but compare that with most games that sell millions
It's pretty low
So Switch and PS are where most people play Sonic games
fringe verge
I wonder how many xbox sonic players there are lmao
Think in how many xbox are there, then reduce it by half or less
:p
cinder saffron
Judging by the amazon charts and other things I was following
It's only the ps4/5 and switch versions that ever chart in the US, UK and Japan
But hey
Sega is getting a lot of money to shill there games for xbox lol
Probably only Like a Dragon will do well there
Sonic games just don't have that much attention or retention on Steam. I think Frontiers did way better than previous games, but that current player count is telling
Sonic Frontiers (left) vs Yakuza 7 (right):
Yakuza 7 probably hasn't even sold half as much as Frontiers
honest plank
Sonic games just don't have that much attention or retention on Steam. I think F...
Yeah
Most normies get Sonic for their kids on switch, PS4, etc
Sonic on steam is really just for enthusiasts
Also what is going on with the sound of the gg games
kind lintel
#1071901843485114417 message
unneeded stereo is the answer
also makes the sound doubly loud lol
formal rapids
If Forces really sold more then Mania, why did Mania have such an impact whilst ...
I mean logistically Forces got DLC before release
it was small, but it happened 
honest plank
Also
Sales has nothing to do with impact
They saw the extremely positive reaction from mania and took all of that into account
vagrant spindle
SO
AMY FANS GOT THEIR GIANT ASS KARMA FOR HATING RAY LMAOOOOO
SHE SUCKS ASS IN ORIGINS PLUS
ENJOY THOSE $10 DOLLARS YOU AIN’T GETTING BACK
restive mulch
ok hater
kind lintel
sad that there's no manual scans for these
at least they have a control sheet per game
sonic rampart
some people are out here acting like sonic origins got their significant other to cheat on them, stole their car and left them abandoned in the side of a ditch when it's just an ok collection with some addons here and there. Could it have been better? sure, but it's also not some grand insult to mankind or anything
marsh pilot
That's steam standard over single player games anyways
yeah totally
floral stratus
Even then it depends
Some single player games goes down drastically, while some don't
marsh pilot
Even then it depends
most games nowadays still have loads more players then frontiers peak
floral stratus
ok
sonic rampart
those games also tend to have peaked higher than frontiers to begin with
floral stratus
Point still remains so I don't care over saying "better than frontiers" mindset
sonic rampart
re4 remake has had a significant drop of compared to peak numbers
just because those numbers are still high overall doesn't make that not the case
and that's just what happens with single player games
floral stratus
pretty much
sonic rampart
if a sonic game opens with 100k+ players on steam, I guarantee you that game will have sold more than a "measly" 3 million copies
but yeah, the point is that all single player games experience significant player drop off over time
because people just finish the game
and that's for games that are new, much less a compilation of older titles
floral stratus
This is also why some multiplayer games tends to be very consistent
They only tend to die down whenever new game of the series comes out
hexed heron
hello
honest plank
if a sonic game opens with 100k+ players on steam, I guarantee you that game wil...
Hasn't murder done a million on steam?
sonic rampart
it was also free and exclusive to the platform
I should have put something like that in my statement since I knew someone would bring it up
honest plank
I'm not referring to you
sonic rampart
ah
honest plank
Yakuza 7 probably hasn't even sold half as much as Frontiers
Oh they haven't actually given sales numbers but I'm pretty sure you're right
I know it's a million seller though
sonic rampart
it had sold 450k in march 2020 in just aisian regions so it's safe to say it probably passed 1 million
floral stratus
Yeah Sonic is always doing fine. People just need to stop using steam player count as an example
hexed heron
ye
he's doing SO much better than he did about 10 years ago when he was on the wii u
not talking about the quality, im talking about sales
sonic rampart
i'd say he's doing better quality wise too generally speaking
hexed heron
yea probably
its heavily debatable when it comes to certain things, but id rather finish frontiers 2 more times than ever replay lost world or even touch boom
plus, we got superstars :D
sonic rampart
indeed
kind lintel
pure flare
It might be coping
But i feel... it makes no sense for Plus to have the updates
Cuz it is a dlc right
sonic rampart
what do you mean updates?
pure flare
I think a day 1 patch should have bug fixes
Over the actual dlc having stuff fixed
Cuz here is the thing
You buy the thing physically
Sure
Why would you make bug fixes... dlc?
Cuz there is also the fact Plus is being sold as DLC
sonic rampart
i mean, are the bug fixes dlc?
pure flare
not just a full physical version
Well there is no bugfixes
What i am saying that it could be something like Sonic Mania's update
Remember, when Mania Plus came out
There was a SEPARATE UPDATE
with a LOT of new stuff
The menu changed, act transitions were added
Metal Sonic is an entire different phase
quick elbow
one???
pure flare
So, while my hopes arent too up
quick elbow
I mean its better than no savestates but, god damn lmao
pure flare
Maybe we gotta wait for a proper, day 1 patch to go with the actual release date of Origins Plus.
floral stratus
DLCs having bug fixes are at best 50/50
spice wigeon
we don't even know if there are bug fixes
quick elbow
really hoping so cos like, its been a year innit
hexed heron
i think the reasoning COULD be cause they broke street dates? although idk how it works
pure flare
Exactly???
floral stratus
yeah basically
pure flare
They werent meant to release yet
spice wigeon
if it's a day 1 patch okay
floral stratus
Day 1 patches has been very common anyways
pure flare
Amy and the Game gear games werent meant to release now
They were meant to release on 23rd
pure flare
But also, why would old Origins players not have a proper bug fix and polish update
hexed heron
Just that twitter of course took it out of proportion
"Wow, REALLY? I'm actually not confused."
spice wigeon
I hope so
pure flare
If Mania vanilla people got the update with plus
spice wigeon
I really have zero expectations at this point which is good
pure flare
Why cant this be a thing as well
quick elbow
not holding my breath cos like, it'd be a fuckin weird way of doing the updates lol
floral stratus
Honestly I am just tired of the fucking origin discourse
pure flare
not holding my breath cos like, it'd be a fuckin weird way of doing the updates ...
Why weird
floral stratus
The fact that they are getting this upset over a collection is just dumb
quick elbow
an update to add compatibility for the DLC content, then a new update solely just for the bugfixes a few days later? that doesn't add up to me
spice wigeon
it is a lame update tbh but I don't mind the collection
pure flare
an update to add compatibility for the DLC content, then a new update solely jus...
No?!
Thats not what i said at all lmfaooooo
floral stratus
The collection is perfectly fine really. It's not meant to be like a huge deal
pure flare
The dlc is already compatible
hexed heron
honestly i dont give a single shit anymore
spice wigeon
The collection is perfectly fine really. It's not meant to be like a huge deal
basically, people are mad at anything immediately
quick elbow
like, a day one update is for smaller bugfixes between the game going gold (ie the discs being printed) and the launch - a few bugfixes, sure, but all the bugfixes??
floral stratus
basically, people are mad at anything immediately
Pretty much
quick elbow
that ain't tracking for me
pure flare
Not all of em
hexed heron
we have this, so like, i don't care
pure flare
But we can hope for smaller stuff
quick elbow
Honestly I am just tired of the fucking origin discourse
also no offence but why are you saying this in the origins channel lol
pure flare
Ok Wint, if you dont care, lemme redirect you to #superstars
hexed heron
im adding to the conversation
im just stating my opinion on whether or not origins plus will be good or bad
pure flare
Jane i am not saying they are gonna fix everything ffs lmaoooo
hexed heron
i hope there are fixes
pure flare
I am saying that headcanon said there would be tons of bug fixes and this dlc has NONE
floral stratus
Because I wanted to play Origins just because of Amy?
pure flare
CUZ THERE IS NO PROPER UPDATE
A DLC IS NOT FOR BUG FIXES IS FOR ADDITIONS TO THE EXISTING GAME
hhsjsjdjd
spice wigeon
DLC code is different from the day 1 patch yeah
pure flare
Origins Plus is not technically out yet
floral stratus
Yeah DLC wise there is of course patch, but it depends over what they are really going to do
formal rapids
If the patch was separate from the DLC why would they wait a whole year to release it instead of just doing it on its own
pure flare
KH3 also had a day 1 patch with a whole secret ending
And a few bugfixes
Like it is plausible, i am not saying it is gonna happen
But it is plausible
formal rapids
I mean I’m gonna go out on a limb and wonder why the secret ending was saved for a day 1 patch
spice wigeon
If the patch was separate from the DLC why would they wait a whole year to relea...
Mania did the same thing I think
pure flare
An update for ORIGINS and origins plus all the same
spice wigeon
I feel like no one is playing Origins rn
hexed heron
plus, id probably trust headcannon
pure flare
If you dont have plus, you will still get the update with bug fixes and polish
formal rapids
I sure do wonder why the secret ending could’ve been kept from the game before breaking street date
floral stratus
Again it's just not officially out
spice wigeon
wdym I have it in my library
floral stratus
That's just how release date works
Only difference over street date is that people get the game early
That's all
spice wigeon
I said Origins, I'm not playing it right now because there is an update coming
granite lichen
I mean I’m gonna go out on a limb and wonder why the *secret ending* was saved f...
I mean why would they release the patch before the dlc even launches
pure flare
It is not ready for consumption yet, the release date is on the 23rd
floral stratus
That's what I just said MC
spice wigeon
I have og Origins lol, but I'm waiting for the update to play it, most likely the devs are waiting for the physical ver. to release to drop the update
formal rapids
I mean why would they release the patch before the dlc even launches
Is the patch not for the base game?
pure flare
I mean why would they release the patch before the dlc even launches
Like sure if they are this understanding of the fact their game would get out their programming
But i think they would want to stick to it right
formal rapids
Because if you can install the patch without the dlc than I think it’s supposed to be for the main game
which in whatever case, why would you wait until the release of the dlc
granite lichen
The dlc isn't really the patch
pure flare
No it isnt lmfaoooo
granite lichen
Lol
pure flare
Thats not how dlcs work
formal rapids
I’m not saying that
I’m saying why release them at the same time
you could’ve just released the patch desperately
separately*
floral stratus
They can't at all
pure flare
DLC is addition to the game, not fixing and letting the game Without dlc still without updates
spice wigeon
oh man, the update is not out yet, the game is (digitally), the dlc leaked, it releases on the 23rd, the update patch should be for everyone who has it
quick elbow
honestly none of this "wait and see!" stuff is holding water for me cos like, we've done this song and dance before haven't we
granite lichen
Did the leak version even has knuckles in CD?
floral stratus
No because this is literally how fucking patches and dlc work LMFAO
granite lichen
There was no footage of it
quick elbow
I'd like for fixes to happen but given the past I simply do not have hope lol
spice wigeon
it was in the official stream only so idk
I'm pretty sure that is DLC though as weird as it sounds
pure flare
Jane, you can choose to just to not believe lmfao
But when there is precendent, i rather not think headcanon lied just yet
floral stratus
Again when it comes to during dlc release time it's always a 50/50 when it comes to patches
formal rapids
I'd *like* for fixes to happen but given the past I simply do not have hope lol
Yeah that’s what I’m saying here, if origins had a patch coming they shouldn’t have waited this long
floral stratus
They wouldn't if Origin Plus didn't exist
granite lichen
Marketing
pure flare
I am not certain it is gonna happen, but it could happen
quick elbow
Jane, you can choose to just to not believe lmfao
But when there is precendent, ...
oh no don't get me wrong I don't think headcanon "lied" at all, I think its just gonna be more gamebreaking bugs being fixed rather than like, the stuff we're looking for
pure flare
They probably we're fixing the small bugs 3k had
If they didnt even fix that one eggman sprite clipping through the handles
granite lichen
At the end of the day that's the game headcanon team were working on
pure flare
They didnt fix shit yet lmaoooo
granite lichen
Sonic team was 1 to CD
quick elbow
Origins is the most "simply adequate and nowt a pinch more" of ports, and I simply do not see them suddenly aiming for above that mark
granite lichen
And the only problem those had as long as I remember was tails never spawning and then drop dash being lock
Tails got fixed
pure flare
... and they didnt have money to add Amy and game gear games?
A screen fix is too much?
granite lichen
Oh the smooth thing
quick elbow
A screen fix is too much?
ah but you see that would cut into John Sega, CEO of Sega's new yacht funds
pure flare
Ughhh i hate how im not even sure if that counts
quick elbow
gotta keep that money aside for unionbusting!!
granite lichen
I think that might be a problem with the he2
There was a guy that explained it with a mod that fixed it but I forgor what was the reason
kind lintel
some shader shenanigans
pure flare
Siiigh whatever update 2 is coming the same day and nobody will care lmao
granite lichen
But amy
pure flare
Ill play for amy but ill be too distracted with the fact nothing was fixed
formal rapids
you will forget about Sonic Origins Plus……
pure flare
I hope for a day 1 patch, really really bad.
granite lichen
Poor Amy, everyone was hyped for her and now nobody cares 😔
floral stratus
Nah I am still excited for her, but superstar makes me wanted to play even more her
Origins is still origins
honest plank
Poor Amy, everyone was hyped for her and now nobody cares 😔
She's in superstars
This doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things
granite lichen
They play the same at least
floral stratus
Also yeah Superstars caused people to barely care about Origins anymore lmao
granite lichen
Also yeah Superstars caused people to barely care about Origins anymore lmao
Yeah lmao
granite lichen
Nah
granite lichen
Keep it yeah 😭
floral stratus
Now hug
granite lichen
I'm fine with super forms in a specific time tho like 06
I don't think silver was supposed to be super at all
floral stratus
Well I don't mean like everyone should get it
formal rapids
I'm just glad these mandates are dying
i wouldn’t call the super mandate dead, from a narrative standpoint it’s still present for the most part
floral stratus
Silver getting super was still massive bruh moment
lost quail
Silver is built different
formal rapids
Silver’s a telekinetic, that’s a pretty broken power
granite lichen
Burning blaze is also a thing but it's also because blaze is sonic from another dimension
honest plank
I just mean in an existent thing
I'm happy Amy finally has something
lost quail
He’s able to Chaos Control too, he’s the GOAT
formal rapids
TRUE
floral stratus
Blaze doesn't really count since she is in another dimension
formal rapids
Silver’s a telekinetic, that’s a pretty broken power
Anyway yeah I have no trouble believing he’d be able to harness that power
honest plank
Is burning blaze in Forces mobile at all
formal rapids
I don’t think they’ve gotten to her yet
floral stratus
not yet
granite lichen
Nope
formal rapids
They’re doing super silver now, I imagine burning blaze will come sometime after
honest plank
Ah damn
formal rapids
that is, if they still support speed battle when the new mobile game drops
kind lintel
it's already been 6 or so years lol
lost quail
Burning Blaze will come next year
formal rapids
i mean I don’t doubt it, it’s a fucking moneymaker
lost quail
I can see it
kind lintel
just put forces speed battle to sleep already
floral stratus
I'd imagined it'll continue to keep living like with Sonic Dash
granite lichen
just put forces speed battle to sleep already
Yeah please lmao
floral stratus
That mobile is still alive somehow lmao
granite lichen
Forces speed battle idea is goated but make it sleep already
Just put the races in sonic dash or something
formal rapids
I’ll be disappointed if the new game doesn’t have at least half of Speed Battle’s character costume roster
lost quail
Why put Forces down when it still make makes money?
formal rapids
so many cool variant costumes trapped behind this fucking mobile game 😭
granite lichen
New mobile sonic game
lost quail
Cringe
floral stratus
Yeah that tends to be mobile in a nutshell
If continue to success it'll keep going
If failed to do, it's dead
formal rapids
I need to get a new phone Speed Battle performs awfully on my 6S
kind lintel
more realistically that game will probably never die lol
i just hope they drop the forces name
floral stratus
Pretty much
kind lintel
tis all
floral stratus
Forces name being dropped I won't mind really
formal rapids
Sonic Speed Battle
honest plank
Runners is still kinda baffling
formal rapids
sounds a bit too much like Fortnite Battle Royale 
honest plank
You would think that would be around
floral stratus
Runners I feel like got screwed hard due to that microtransation
formal rapids
Sonic the Hedgehog: Speed Battle?
honest plank
Yes they fucked that up badly
granite lichen
Sonic speed battle
formal rapids
You would think that would be around
i mean they clearly thought so too with Runners Adventure in spite of it immediately crashing and burning
honest plank
It's a shame because SEGA's other mobile games in Japan are apparently pretty okay
That was just their first go at it in the modern day
floral stratus
Yeah I still seen some of their JP mobiles still going
granite lichen
Runners adventure charged you to play it lol
lost quail
Can’t wait to see 404 Game Reset have an evil Sonic waifu
honest plank
i mean they clearly thought so too with Runners Adventure in spite of it immedia...
Jesus I forgot about that
formal rapids
oh gameloft you silly you!
honest plank
I love how runners actually explained lore shit people were curious about
lost quail
Runners Adventure is MAD TRASH
granite lichen
But even so sonic 4 ep1 and 2 on mobile sold more than runners adventure
It's like 3 millions vs 10k
😭
honest plank
Yikes
kind lintel
did anybody play runners adventure
lost quail
Runners Revival is the best mobile game it’s just fax
granite lichen
did anybody play runners adventure
I did
granite lichen
It was pretty much the same game but with less characters and all focused in story mode
honest plank
I remember liking Sonic Jump the one time I played it
granite lichen
And 3D graphics
lost quail
Jump is really good
granite lichen
It was pretty much the same game but with less characters and all focused in sto...
Also offline
lost quail
Jump Fever tho…
floral stratus
I remember playing it during my 12th grade lmao
lost quail
Dash 2 fucks
formal rapids
lost quail
Only Sonic is the GOAT, everyone else is secondary
floral stratus
Really it's more so the modern era where the sonic chars have much more standout moveset
But I guess it's due to not focusing too much on 2D platformer lmao
cedar crow
so Amy essentially gets a better insta-shield and a nerfed Drop Dash
floral stratus
good exchange I have to be honest
insta shield was so good against the bosses
Amy will just murder them lmao
tribal wave
Honestly if this was Amy's playstyle in the first place and they just upgraded it in Advance, then it wouldn't be this abrupt of a change
floral stratus
The result of classic amy never being playable at all till recently
People thinking she gotten "worse" playable wise lmao
cedar crow
this is a nice compromise for Amy in the one button classic gameplay
floral stratus
Agreed
Also I assumed she had a double jump too, unless that one tweet was misleading 
cedar crow
she doesnt have a double jump here
floral stratus
Well yeah, but I guess it may probably be more so superstars having it instead
floral stratus
Yeah it's honestly a good exchange
granite lichen
She looks fun to play
At the same time she's probably the easy mode of the old games but
floral stratus
I am going to have a fun time with her over the bosses lmao
granite lichen
Still fun
floral stratus
But I do love the fact Amy has her own version of drop dash
It's such a nice parallel to Sonic since they are both hedgehogs
granite lichen
And the better instant shield lol
floral stratus
fr lmao
granite lichen
She's so op
Both origins and superstars
I think superstars doesn't have nerfed drop dash
That alone would make her the most op from superstars
floral stratus
true 
granite lichen
Compared to how slow she was in advance
And heroes too
God, team rose was so slow in heroes
floral stratus
GOOOOOOOD 06 Amy
beyond awful
And that was her last playable appearance too before Origins
granite lichen
They always made her play like shit
floral stratus
fr
granite lichen
For some reason
kind lintel
origins plus label on absolutely everything (including the cart)
but it's not on the cart itself
granite lichen
Looks good
And glad there's a cartridge
Amy only the downloadable dlc
Makes sense
kind lintel
unless this was the only way they could keep it at $30 a copy
granite lichen
Did mania plus came with the dlc already there?
Also I like how they changed the colors from all green to now purple
quick elbow
https://twitter.com/saac_news/status/1670446962347237376?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dDa7DEM...
Just realised they’re doing it this way to extract an extra tenner from people buying second-hand copies and ohhhhh am I not chuffed about that
kind lintel
i hope people charge $20 for that to account for the missing code
granite lichen
It's 10 bucks for the update I think
But maybe you could ask for a new code with Sega support?
restive mulch
Just realised they’re doing it this way to extract an extra tenner from people b...
surprised it's taking people this long to figure out when I saw this the day the downloadable code in physical copies was announced
quick elbow
I mean I figured they were sinking low, didn’t know it’d be this low tho
Especially since like, Mania plus did none of this shit lmao
pure flare
Thank god for frontiers free updates and superstars
granite lichen
It probably has to do with sales
We don't know how much this collection sold compared to mania
Maybe it did less
Actually maybe it did more cuz if mania had the dlc include it was probably so people buy more copies
honest plank
https://twitter.com/saac_news/status/1670446962347237376?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dDa7DEM...
I must not be tempted by the idea of having Sonic on a cart again
Must...resist.
granite lichen
at least in our crowd
Yeah but since they haven't report anything regarding sales
wheat wadi
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/356538622297505802/1119120427432816712/...
Should have been Stereod GG Sonic 1 instead
Also god damn, discord did not update this chat and accidently dug up a grave
marsh pilot
Honestly Origins has made me want to decompile Sonic 1, 2 and CD again and get a decent amount of mods (not Forever or Absolute) to make the best versions
Probably just following Tracker's tings
valid narwhal
https://vxtwitter.com/ocunnamed/status/1670116915157651458?s=46&t=9-8r2BsnJTX3NU...
I feel mixed seeing how she seems to be playing here
I will be getting origins plus (even tho I don't think it's worth it), purely for her
spice wigeon
I just noticed a new thing about the "surprise" in Amy's moveset
spoiler ||Super Amy can throw hammers every second, with no limit, that's kinda crazy, endless hammers confirmed||
floral stratus
spoiler ||Super Amy can throw hammers every second, with no limit, that's kinda ...
||ARE YOU SERIOUS!?||
||BROOOOOOOOO THAT'S FUCKING BROKEN LMFAOOOOOOO||
midnight blaze
||i mean for super amy ig it being that broken makes sense?||
spice wigeon
I don't care it looks a fun addition plus ||it reminds me of a scene in Sonic X ep 52 where Amy materializes multiple hammers out of nowhere and throws them at Eggman's ship lol||
floral stratus
||Nah this is over. Amy is going to murder Eggman LMFAO||
||She literally pulled a hammer bros.||
spice wigeon
lol
pure flare
THATS ACTUALLY FUCKING SICK LMFAOOOO
tribal wave
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GoJygWYiIQ||
Bruh
spice wigeon
this is honestly the shit I wanted from the update, fun little surprises, wish there were more
and I hope this one is a thing in Superstars as well yeah
floral stratus
nah I don't care this is the best super form gameplay I ever seen that isn't frontiers LMAO
pure flare
A simple thing hyped me up very much
floral stratus
BRO henry
Imagine that shit in Frontiers LMFAO
Freaking ||Super Amy throwing infinite hammers at gigantos ||
tribal wave
A simple thing hyped me up very much
Imagine being simple, Henry
pure flare
It looks so fun to destroy everything
valid narwhal
What the hell
