Sonic Origins

[shell yoke]

Aw nah they put it in the origins filter

[hexed heron]

he looks so angey

[kind lintel]

the sound emulation seems a different too

after comparing with videos online

it sounds really echo-ey

[vagrant spindle]

If they somehow found a way to make CRIWare work with a Game Gear emulator I would be surprised

[fast magnet]

woukdn't they make their own thing ?

[vagrant spindle]

Not with Sonic Team they wouldn’t

[fast magnet]

💀

or rather, they would, but it would be worse

[vagrant spindle]

Considering how they basically guttered the RSDK audio functionality just to replace those with calls to CRI-ADX functions

I wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow managed to inject code into these games and force-removed all audio functions and replaced them with CRI-ADX calls

Now

Would that be a waste of resources?

Yes.

[kind lintel]

curious to know why they even thought of doing this in the first place lol

[vagrant spindle]

Is it worth it for something as simple as a Game Gear emulator?

Nope.

[vagrant spindle]

Probably for consistency and ease of use

Because it would be weird if the tracks within the RSDK games played regular ol’ OGG files while the main HE2 stuff uses CRIWare for everything else

Including the RSDK CD Intro and Ending cinematics

[fast magnet]

yep

i didn't get a single thing

🫡

[kind lintel]

a shame that the recordings they used were so muffled

especially for sonic 3

[floral stratus]

https://twitter.com/head_cannon/status/1641242173806096384?s=46&t=PfD711JdR_p3EK5kVqEJIw

Headcannon (@Head_cannon)

It's coming - Sonic Origins Plus!
We're happy to announce that we’ve once again cooperated with SEGA to update this project; you know we can't resist Sonic! Here’s some of what you can look forward to in Origins Plus:
[continued in thread]

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 12:53 AM

Can’t copy oaste them all since phone

[shell yoke]

hey people who complained about Amy being 2.6 pixels off

https://twitter.com/head_cannon/status/1641242511187533824?s=46

Headcannon (@Head_cannon)

We were excited to hear that SEGA wanted to make Amy playable, and we couldn’t resist an opportunity to help her into the spotlight! New playable characters need new sprites, and our own @AStartShow was certainly up to the design task while @DashPadSPD performed data management.

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 12:54 AM

Guess who you can complain to ! 😁

[quick elbow]

sending in the drone strike as we speak

[hexed heron]

you know, even tho i still am not very happy with the fact that i have to spend another $10-40 on the same game but better, im glad this project hasn't been abandoned

like that other game

[shell yoke]

Anyways I’m surprised they’re still working with headcannon

I thought their relationship was done

[hexed heron]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-colors-ultimate-sonic-fish-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-fish-gif-23044611

[tribal wave]

Same

[quick elbow]

bills gotta be paid at the end of the day

[cinder saffron]

But

[shell yoke]

oh boy

[cinder saffron]

I though Headcannon was done with sega

[shell yoke]

no!

[cinder saffron]

ok

[shell yoke]

anyways

I guess this means we can expect the

long awaited sequel fans clamored for..

[devout raft]

https://twitter.com/HCStealth/status/1641242980651794432?s=20
https://twitter.com/HCStealth/status/1641243045155995649?s=20
https://twitter.com/HCStealth/status/1641243114965983232?s=20

Stealth (@HCStealth)

I love Sonic, as does everyone at Headcannon, and SEGA knows it; we know the same is true of our friends at SEGA. I’m grateful to have had the chance to work with them in bringing Sonic Origins Plus to life as well as other past titles. We all want the best for Sonic's future.

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 12:56 AM

Stealth (@HCStealth)

Thanks to @AStartShow for the excellent Amy and Knuckles graphics and @DashPadSPD for all the data management work! Thanks also to SEGA for this opportunity and for accepting our feedback.

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 12:56 AM

Stealth (@HCStealth)

I’m proud of the entire Headcannon team and all the effort they’ve put into this collection alongside SEGA. We’re looking forward to you getting this update soon!

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 12:57 AM

[shell yoke]

Damn, god speed stealth

I really did not expect them to partner together again after his not-call-out-post

[devout raft]

Kinda sounds like sega took a step back and let them do their job properly, or at least thats what I hope happened

[pure flare]

I'm so glad this happend

I might buy it if its actually polished

[mental geyser]

And this is why I’m getting origins this time

[pure flare]

Please fix the music ffs

[floral stratus]

Yeah I am glad SEGA easily understand their mistake

This is rare you seen from many companies

[devout raft]

I don´t think the music is getting fixed sadly, thats a whole different can of worms

[floral stratus]

Accepting what they have done and fix the issue

Yeah the music is way too complicated sadly

But they can ask tee lopes tho

[shell yoke]

or

or

use the prototypes

[floral stratus]

Or that

[devout raft]

.

[pure flare]

thats what i meaaaan

JUST UNFUCK THE PROTO MUSIC

[devout raft]

[mental geyser]

Alright unrelated but Ben Schwartz is apparently a fucking baller

[devout raft]

I wonder if they have the rights for the bootleg lego dimenssions songs

[shell yoke]

https://youtu.be/a_Ss8Rmo8RE

how does it sound more like a prototype version than the actual prototype

how do you do that

[devout raft]

mania 2 beggars seeing all this and rising from the grave on their way to swarm the tweets with mania 2 petitions

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-horror-halloween-cemetery-dead-gif-12353477

[cinder saffron]

Dammit they keep reviving

[kind lintel]

GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[fringe verge]

Woh it sounds things went good for headcannon

[shell yoke]

why is it that the reversible cover always has the better art

[shell yoke]

Does He Know (He’s Going to Die)?

[sonic rampart]

i mean they did complain about getting rushed, but that doesn't necessarily mean that sega wouldn't work with them anymore or vice versa

it just means that the terms of the agreement on any future projects was probably changed

at least on sega's part it would be foolish to completely cut them off just because they got rightfully upset

this isn't like the mick gordon situation where one of the higher ups just didn't like him if i recall that situation correctly

[devout raft]

Unreal how Bethesda let the situation fumble that much

I wonder if that one dude has been given the boot yet

[sonic rampart]

They genuinely ruined that man's reputation and it wasn't even his fault

[devout raft]

Thankfully now people know the truth and he keeps getting jobs

[hexed heron]

I posted it at the wrong time, nooo-

[kind lintel]

https://youtu.be/tw8IczBt0Z8

really hope the gg audio isn't that echoey in game lol

[tranquil cloud]

that’s so small oml

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[kind lintel]

8cm x 4.3cm lol

[tribal wave]

Unironically, how is anybody supposed to see that

[kind lintel]

i have no clue

it's basically just a collectors item with how unplayable it is

unless you buy all 4 colours and get a "big window"

which you attach to the gg micro

and it magnifies the screen for you lol

[tribal wave]

Bruh

Imagine buying 4 of the same thing for a slightly bigger screen

[kind lintel]

in the end you'll be able to play 16 game gear games

each model has 4 different games

...have they even rereleased the game gear game library outside of this

[tribal wave]

Not to my knowledge

Unless Nintendo plans on making a GG app for NSO

[sonic rampart]

sonic adventure had these titles but only in the original release to my knowledge

[kind lintel]

iirc only sadx on gamecube & the 2004 pc release has them properly accessible

[sonic rampart]

yeah, that's what i'm referring to

but aside from that and mega collection, no

and even then mega collection only has a handful of those games

[hexed heron]

sonic

origins

he has originated in sonic

[devout raft]

https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1641425042138451970?t=44RtkK5C6dEX2zkgTBYawA&s=19

KEITH STACK (@keithjohnstack)

https://t.co/ZHpehLhPxc

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 1:00 PM

[vagrant spindle]

I can’t believe I got the last fuckin laugh

Sonic Team really couldn’t even bother making Amy a playable character so they had to get Headcannon

Same with Knuckles in CD

[floral stratus]

I still say it’s due to time constraint

[sonic rampart]

imagine spinning something good as a negative

[vagrant spindle]

I am not trying to at all

Like I really don’t

It’s good that Headcannon is back on the project

But it’s still hilarious how Sonic Team couldn’t even do it on their own

[sonic rampart]

that's such a weird way to phrase it

headcannon has always been involved with origins

it's not surprising that they would be brought on to add to the game

[vagrant spindle]

But you forget that they had a terrible experience working on just the base game

and even then, it was only for Sonic 3

[sonic rampart]

I didn't forget

But in context, trying to rush something out while working with someone else's framework was never going to end well

if it was in house from the start there likely would have been no issue

but sega saw that headcannon has expertise in this area and since they've done good work before, they hired them again and i genuinely don't see how that reflects badly on sega

Unfortunately they did not give them enough time to cook and that was an L on sega's part

[shell yoke]

brother

[restive mulch]

I dunno, I feel like you're reaching a lil bit here

Cuz your line of reasoning implies that they tried to do it themselves before they hired Headcannon again

When the more probable scenario was that they were hired back from the start

[lost quail]

Typical Klonoa fan behavior

[sonic rampart]

especially since they needed all hands on deck for frontiers

Why bother thinning out the team when you have a group of people you already worked with that excel at that kind of project?

[fringe verge]

Mhm. Sonic Team handles some aspects of a project while Headcannon handles another

It's just resource management

[vagrant spindle]

Die

Stop calling me that

Piss off

This joke is ass

Move on

Typical Hater behavior

[robust whale]

natural reaction from a klonoa fan

[tranquil cloud]

natural reaction from a klonoa fan

[robust whale]

pichu's gonna become the quiet kid at this rate

i'll stop

[lost quail]

LMAOOOOO

the natural progression of klonoa fans

[tranquil cloud]

DBNLKRJNVD

[tranquil cloud]

Alrighty, enough y'all 😭

[vagrant spindle]

This stupid “Klonoa fan” shit has ran it’s fuckin course

I’m already getting sick of it

IF THIS SHIT DOESN’T END, THEN I WILL GO INSANE

[fringe verge]

Pichu rn:

[vagrant spindle]

so anyways here's something better than Origins

[mental geyser]

Klonoa sweep

[vagrant spindle]

[quartz grotto]

So people don't hate Amy in Origins Plus anymore?

[tranquil cloud]

me taking in the pain that pichu and the 4 other klonoa fans in existence had to endure for 15 years:

[vagrant spindle]

zoro

bro you would be lost before you would even find out about the pain

the pain that I never even endured until today

Sooner or later I would just go insane if I manage to get my own custom role and it's just called "Klonoa Fan"

[lost quail]

:^)

[vagrant spindle]

YOU ON THE OTHER HAND NEED TO STOP WITH THE DAMN NEGATIVE JOKES

[mental geyser]

Nah but fr this be for anything too

[robust whale]

[mental geyser]

Can’t like shit without someone making a 4 page essay on why this game sucks and I’m wrong 💀

[lost quail]

LOOOOL

[quartz grotto]

LOL

[mental geyser]

AYYOOOOOOOOO?

[vagrant spindle]

...

klonoa

[mental geyser]

HE WANTS SOME BEEF 😭

[vagrant spindle]

ok good

still tho

[mental geyser]

Oh you were saying that?

[vagrant spindle]

NO

[mental geyser]

Don’t tell me they banned the word 💀

[vagrant spindle]

still tho

[vagrant spindle]

"oh, xenoblade m!d" or "oh typical Klonoa fan behavior" MY GUY YOU LIKE THE BREASTS OF A FICITIONAL ANTHROMORPHIC WOLF

[lost quail]

yeah thats normal

[vagrant spindle]

...

I'm giving up

[mental geyser]

Best to just stick to what you like and ignore others hating on said thing yknow

Be you fr

[tribal wave]

Too bad Berry Blue clears

[vagrant spindle]

i hope she is dead

i don't care if you start pissing and crying over this

i will make sure that she is dead

by any means necessary

[tribal wave]

I'm the one with the drawing tablet

[vagrant spindle]

i will destroy the drawing tablet

[tribal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/tails-speech-bubble-soup-gif-26158321

[vagrant spindle]

i am not stupid "dumbass" prower

i am Pichu

hater of Lost World 3DS

[tribal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/pee-panicking-what-terrified-gif-15348578

[vagrant spindle]

enjoyer of Klonoa

Postal 2

and Xenoblade

[quartz grotto]

One of the worst characters in Melee

[vagrant spindle]

this is not related to the worst smash game in existence

[quartz grotto]

Yalls entire discussion about Klonoa isn't related to Origins at all

[vagrant spindle]

fuck Sonic Origins

fuck Sonic Origins Plus

[quartz grotto]

I tried to pose a question about Amy earlier

[vagrant spindle]

this is now a thread on why you should not piss me off

[floral stratus]

[devout raft]

[vagrant spindle]

do not me

[tribal wave]

[mental geyser]

Oh nah bro is getting bullied

[vagrant spindle]

Barry Blue is the worst Dragon Ball character

[tribal wave]

*BERRY

BLUE BERRY

BERRY BLUE

[vagrant spindle]

heheheheheheheh

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[fringe verge]

Theme of Pichu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDu9AY15fQI

[vagrant spindle]

FUCK INFINITE

THIS IS MY THEME NOW

[quick elbow]

jokes on him, if he does snap and try coming for me he'll experience a fate worse than death:

being in the uk

[devout raft]

this sounds like a loading screen

[fringe verge]

https://tenor.com/view/se-esta-volviendo-salvaje-animals-big-eye-scared-gif-17743593

[devout raft]

pichu unleashed

[vagrant spindle]

I hate Sonic Lost World

[tribal wave]

Ain't no way

[vagrant spindle]

I hate Sonic Origins

Hell, I even hate Amy Rose now

fuck Amy

fuck Tails

fuck Whisper

I love the UK

I hate the UK

[quick elbow]

pichu honey i don't think u will ever fuck

[vagrant spindle]

I hate Sonic the Hedgehog 2 for the Sega Mega Drive

I hate Goku

He's not Vegeta

in fact

I Hate Vegeta

I now admire to be like my one true idol

KANYE WEST!!!

HAHAHSHHDHAKAHDHHAAHAHAHAHAHA

[mental geyser]

Yo dbz sucks I’m not even joking

[tribal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[vagrant spindle]

GET THIS DISGUSTING CREATURE OFF OF MY FACE

[tribal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-real-me-sonic-when-the-are-sonic-gif-26362548

[vagrant spindle]

Vanilla can do better

In fact

Maybe I SHOULD go and make the Sonic character tier list

[tribal wave]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-vegeta-dbz-goku-vegeta-nodding-vegeta-goku-nodding-vegeta-goku-nod-goku-vegeta-nod-gif-26388739

[vagrant spindle]

IT IS NOW COMPLETE
MY SONIC GAME CHARACTER TIER LIST FOR THE VILLAIN ARC

[floral stratus]

[vagrant spindle]

I SAID DON'T ME

NOW I AM...

Now i am...

now i am...

https://tenor.com/view/goku-son-dragon-ball-z-exhausted-gif-13516929

[quick elbow]

brother why art thou simping for giganto

[mental geyser]

Bro got rizz wdym?

[vagrant spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-quarantine-sleeping-sleeping-beauty-beauty-sleep-gif-16980796

wha

what happened

i just woke up from a nightmare regarding somehow getting a harem in Super Sonic X Universe

i would never stoop this low

no way in hell

[lost quail]

this is cringe

[vagrant spindle]

YOU ARE CRINGE

YOU SONIC LOST WORLD, ZEENA LOVING

SIMPLEDORF

[lost quail]

cringe

[vagrant spindle]

SIMPLEDORF

[lost quail]

cool

[vagrant spindle]

I think I might be free

[vagrant spindle]

I’M FREE FROM MY VILLAIN ARC!!!

[lost quail]

no u arent

[vagrant spindle]

typical simpledorf behavior

[mental geyser]

YEAAAAAH W

[vagrant spindle]

but for real tho

don’t annoy me with shit like “typical Klonoa fan behavior” or some shit like that

otherwise…

[hexed heron]

Why is he purple gu-

[lost quail]

no shot pichu tryna gas themselves up in the goofiest way possible lmfaoooo

[fringe verge]

Which one of the two?

[hexed heron]

nooto

[olive briar]

took me almost two hours to realise I posted this in the wrong channel 💀

[devout raft]

https://twitter.com/HCStealth/status/1641530899421593600?s=20
https://twitter.com/HCStealth/status/1641530930593665025?s=20

Stealth (@HCStealth)

Running a business like Headcannon is difficult. Balancing overall long-term goals with needs and expectations of the team, clients, and audience all at once can get tricky. I try my best. If nothing else, I hope all sides understand that all my actions are taken in good faith.

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 8:00 PM

Stealth (@HCStealth)

Being misunderstood feels terrible. I've had enough trouble making myself understood outside of this context, and when you're responsible for so much, it's that much more important if not also even more difficult. The last thing I want to do is to create disappointment.

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 8:00 PM

[fringe verge]

It must be truly difficult to have the position Stealth has

[mental geyser]

He’s just like me fr 😭

Leading a team sucks man

It’s fucking stressful as hell

[fringe verge]

I hate leading teams since I was 12-13 years old

a friend of mine, very dear to me back then accused me of not giving her job in a team we formed with other two when she was giving two damns about the project and I insisted on giving her things to do

it got me in so much troubles

Me when the amy sprites are .1 cm shorter than they should (joking)

[devout raft]

team projects sometimes can really be hell on earth

[fringe verge]

Definetely

I am still open to work on teams but I prefer to be the second in lead or adviser

[hexed heron]

:(

thats the cost of making probably the best sonic game

[kind lintel]

https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1641787428682825729

KEITH BLAST (@keithjohnstack)

https://t.co/AWQvuczzQE

Twitter · Mar 31, 2023, 1:00 PM

[formal rapids]

I dunno about you guys but that additional $10 looks even more like a scam now 😭

[sonic rampart]

these 84 days can't pass fast enough

[robust whale]

lol what happened

[fringe verge]

Basically the murder of Sonic the hedgehog is free

[robust whale]

LMAO

[formal rapids]

yeah that

[robust whale]

i didn't consider that

[formal rapids]

it’s like 2-3 hours long too 😭

[fringe verge]

I still don't think it is a scam but it could be cheapter

then again I am someone who cannot afford games that much so ultimately it doesn't matter from my pov

lol

with luck I could afford frontiers but that was the only game I could fully buy last year

[sonic rampart]

in your case then, the 10 bucks is pretty inconsequential since it wouldn't factor into the base price of the game

I think for me, I'm just tired of hearing this come up every single day

[fringe verge]

Plus visual novels are easier to work around than something like doing sprites for a 2d sonic game tbf

in a programming pov

both do require work but visual novels are much more straightforward

[sonic rampart]

this is also pretty basic even by visual novel standards. It's great and i'm not saying it's a free game's worth of value, but that remains to be said

but the story is fantastic regardless

[fringe verge]

yeah I agree there. Visual novels don't have that much mechanics compared to any other genre of games

so the story must be nailed over all things

[sonic rampart]

VN's pretty much live and die over how good the story is

that and the art

but you can't sell a vn on art alone

[tranquil cloud]

It's Frontiers Updates and TMofSTH vs Origins Plus 💀💀💀

[fringe verge]

That acronym looks damn long 😭

[pure flare]

I will just call it Murder

[fringe verge]

MuSonic

[fast magnet]

TMoSTH

would be the true acronym

[pure flare]

TMOSTH

timohst

[formal rapids]

I just got TMOS

[pure flare]

Or just MOSTH

cuz AOSTH

just swap adventures to murder

[tribal wave]

Sonic Murder

[tranquil cloud]

Bros

MoS

Murder of Sonic

ez pz

[lost quail]

Sonicronpa

[kind lintel]

and now back to our scheduled program:

sonic origins plus

[fringe verge]

mhm

This year truly treat amy well

[tropic sedge]

https://twitter.com/astartshow/status/1642267542059204609?s=46&t=dS88k6r51FQNSX2RuNAwOA

A+Start Son of a Glitch ✪ (@AStartShow)

https://t.co/a4TCtZ3SEg

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Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 8:47 PM

[kind lintel]

why the hell do all the comments thinl this is a joke

[fringe verge]

Bad timing

April Fools makes everyone much more sceptical over things than normal

[hexed heron]

the only thing i majorly dislike about origins is the new super sonic theme in 3&K

it sucks

sounds like a demo

[fringe verge]

It is cute for me

[kind lintel]

the worst thing is the wrong drums honestly

[cinder saffron]

https://youtu.be/LZM9YdO_QKk?t=212 check the timestamp

It's relevant

https://twitter.com/MiaCDi/status/1641253386208047115?t=nsWIlww-bMGhmApt1HGiwg&s=19 especially with the way this all came about

Mia (@MiaCDi)

said artist edited s3 complete sprites before the plus update
now when handling amy sprites they give her like 23 colors in her palette

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Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 1:37 AM

https://twitter.com/MiaCDi/status/1642302352790093824?t=ipv3nFvlfApoi-g7JZKLng&s=19

Mia (@MiaCDi)

https://t.co/g3JyXudw9T

Twitter · Apr 1, 2023, 11:06 PM

And then you discover that the root causes of these gutteral reactions is because the Sonic fandom is comprised of kids who are too eager to shoot the bullet without thinking of the best course of action

[fringe verge]

I agree there

In general lots of people like to shoot the gun before getting a proper conclusion

[pure flare]

O O F

[cinder saffron]

This is in the same vein as seeing a fanart in an official game and thinking the devs intentionally stole it. Yeah accidents like that happen, and they happen a lot with Sonic because there is a large amount of good quality fan work, but it's never out of malicious intent

[fringe verge]

I remember something like that happened with FNAF VR

in one of the early covers of the game, there was a fanmade animatronic

They soon figured it out but even Scott recognized it was so well done that he didn't blame the team for confusing it with an official one

[tribal wave]

Damn

[fringe verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_mZ-8PdvmM&t=780s

[fringe verge]

Yeah the devs and such most likely confused the fanart with the official sources. Some fanart are so good that it hard to tell which is which, kinda like the Sonic Colors Ultimate Metal Sonic thing

[cinder saffron]

That is what happened

They made statements

[cinder saffron]

This and also Stealth uploaded a video

[cinder saffron]

There's also the fact that they um

Didn't credit Godot Engine and instead tried to brand it as their own engine 💀

[hexed heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091440309285695568/1091681174839115786/SPOILER_trim.8A560963-316E-47B4-919C-1237D0F49992.mov

[cinder saffron]

Which was probably a situation handled by fresh out of college devs who had no clue how that was supposed to be handled

[cinder saffron]

Start explaining

[hexed heron]

wah.

[fringe verge]

Yeah. Probably they forgot or just didn't know how to do it

[devout raft]

more like kids and manchildren

But yeah this is not some really big deal or anything

They already apologized and look like they will try to fix it so

[kind lintel]

https://fxtwitter.com/randomsakuga/status/1642466905494802432?s=46&t=olX4lfm6-dDa7DEMfwWXbg

[fading fjord]

Well it's still pretty bad sprites

They edited from fan material and their Amy sprite just... isn't accurate or great compared to others I've seen

[shell yoke]

I don’t know if you’re just referring to super or not but I wouldn’t call these bad sprites

[fast magnet]

nah it was about the A+ start thing

[tribal wave]

Isn't this just based on the cd sprite?

[mental geyser]

Yeah

[mental geyser]

Which is a good thing because she is cute :3

[granite lichen]

Amy looks good

I'm glad they didn't use the CD sprite cuz that one looks fugly

Even tho I must say the sprite does looks kinda like in belongs to Sonic mania

But I don't mind it

[quartz grotto]

Is that more colors than her original palette in CD? Even so, I think the design philosophy for Amy is that what if she was playable in CD because you could do more in a Sega CD game than on a Genesis. Her debut game was Sonic CD and never appeared in any of the Genesis games so...

[granite lichen]

Yup

Don't mind the right side that's just fan made

[fringe verge]

Yeah origins Amy's sprites are based on her CD ones based on these images, just they are more detailed

Specially the skirt

[formal rapids]

idk how to describe it but like

she looks too small?

[shell yoke]

They’re all small

[formal rapids]

compare Amy’s sprites in origins to Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles and you’ll see what I mean

[pure flare]

but amy is naturally small

[formal rapids]

She’s like around the same height as Sonic

[pure flare]

nope?

amy is quite tiny

[robust whale]

2ft11 vs 3ft3

not that much of a difference

[pure flare]

yea thats accurate

[granite lichen]

[fringe verge]

This is using a height comparison app.

Just slightly smaller, yea.

[lost quail]

Googoogaga sized

[fringe verge]

Yeah they're Very small

[shell yoke]

uhhhh

lmao

But anyways yeah that was such a non complaint 😭

[formal rapids]

she still looks really off to me

i can’t put my finger on it

[tribal wave]

Is it the colors or something?

[formal rapids]

mmmmm

[fringe verge]

Lol

[shell yoke]

her shoes aren’t pink !!

Game’s ruined

[tribal wave]

Bruh

[shell yoke]

Yeah idk

I don’t want to accuse people of looking for things to complain about but

[fast magnet]

but you do want to accuse people of looking for things to complain about

[fringe verge]

In the CD animation cutscenes they are more like light purple than Pink

[floral stratus]

ngl that sprite blends in very well

[fringe verge]

Yeah. It looks legit very well imo

[sonic rampart]

classic amy's hairstyle is the best and it's a damn shame it's gone forever now

[fading fjord]

The amount of sprite colors my god

[shell yoke]

I can’t believe it either tbh..

They made amy PINK

[formal rapids]

GOT IT

her eyes are too big and her spikes are too small

[fringe verge]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-joseph-shocked-surprised-oh-my-god-gif-8313483

[formal rapids]

compared to the others she looks unbalanced

[fading fjord]

https://twitter.com/MiaCDi/status/1641258990892924934?s=20

Mia (@MiaCDi)

@freshestfryy in genesis games, and just 16 bit consoles in general, the "palette line" a character uses only supports a few colors, however amy in origins blows this out of the park by adding WAY more colors beyond this restriction, making it seem less authentic to the game's art direction.

Twitter · Mar 30, 2023, 2:00 AM

[shell yoke]

ic

[fading fjord]

https://vxtwitter.com/MiaCDi/status/1642505320688758785?s=20

[shell yoke]

Her eye and spike size is more or less the same as her CD sprite though, so

[fading fjord]

Can't wait for this 3 AIR mod btw

[shell yoke]

That’s cute

[quick elbow]

her sprite looks cute enough but it's a shame about the palette limitation breaking, yee

wouldn't be surprised if there's some styleguide tomfoolery going on

[shell yoke]

I guess so

[fringe verge]

I mean, wouldn't it be good to do Genesis-like sprites without the limitation of the 16-bit?

[shell yoke]

I mean it’s all for the sake of imitation

They’re trying to make it seem like she was in the genesis games

[quick elbow]

"amy must be pantone pink colour number XXXX, what is a sayga genny-sis"

[shell yoke]

So it’d be better to stay strictly to that to better give off the illusion

That said

I don’t really give a shit

Nor did I notice

Until someone pointed it out lmao

[quick elbow]

not when every other sprite's going for the limitations, nah

[shell yoke]

Little tina isn’t going to be upset over her having one more shade of pink than she should

And it’s a good looking sprite anyways

[quick elbow]

it doesn't worry me too much (origins already has more glaring problems lmao) but its a shame that every time they reveal something for this it has biiiiig ol caveats attached

[tranquil cloud]

[quick elbow]

for, at the end of the day, a 45 dollar videogame

[fading fjord]

Tbh you could say this about Knuckles, I really wish Knuckles got a Sonic 1/Sonic 2 sprite treatment

[tranquil cloud]

Can’t wait for the Extra Slot Amy mod 3AIR

[shell yoke]

I wouldn’t call that a big caveat 💀

[quick elbow]

a 45 dollar videogame where most of the contents were available for... a lot less lmao

[shell yoke]

It’s a shame sure but

[tranquil cloud]

As I will not be buying Plus ‼️

[fading fjord]

But Amy's sprite feels really odd to me, like I've seen other fan modders to a custom Amy better which kind of annoys me???

Oh well, I can stick with the decomps and 3 AIR lmao

[shell yoke]

I mean I haven’t seen the others that you’re talking about unless it’s the one from above 🤔

[quick elbow]

caveat may not be the best word granted, but like

[shell yoke]

But it just looks like they prettied up CD amy

[tranquil cloud]

I don’t really care about the sprites, but I won’t be buying Origins Plus still.

Nothing about it has warranted a purchase from me.

[quick elbow]

given this is the only way to get the classic sonic games on current platforms rn it should, really be the best it can be, firing on all cylinders with the attention to detail matching the pricetag

and constantly its just... not doing that, is it

[fringe verge]

if anything she feels more fitting for CD-like aesthetic

[tranquil cloud]

Yup

[quick elbow]

like every time they announce something possibly cool there's a "but...." attached at the end which, no other sonic thing rn has lol

[tranquil cloud]

It’s still the best version of the games you can get on, say the Switch, but if you’re apart of the PC Master Race, the decomps and AIR are the way to go in all honesty.

[fading fjord]

They could've plopped in the Master System versions of the games, Meanbean Machine, 3D Blast on the Saturn as unlockable. But nooooo

[quick elbow]

I did not have to go "but..." when the Frontiers updates happened

[fading fjord]

Mania Plus should've been a free update

[quick elbow]

didn't have to go "but..." when The Murder of Sonic the Hedgehog dropped for nowt either

(sidenote it is still fucking crazy to me that is a real sentence I'm saying)

[floral stratus]

I find it a little funny how it’s classic Sonic getting this treatment.

[quick elbow]

YEAH like

literally the games that started sonic off, and they treat them like

this

[floral stratus]

I mean I wouldn’t say they’re doing a horrendous job either, lol.

[pure flare]

yea idk

[floral stratus]

Could be a lot better though.

[quick elbow]

if they treat the classics like this, do yall really wanna see em handle something not quite as well-known like Advance 💀

[tranquil cloud]

Again, it’s not the worst thing in the world

[pure flare]

this might be good now

who knows

aside the price

[quick elbow]

I'll believe it when I see it tbh

[tranquil cloud]

But there are better options if you have the means to play said options

[formal rapids]

yes!!! this exactly

[quick elbow]

like if they patch it and everything works completely perfectly as it should've at launch, I'll be a lot happier

[fading fjord]

I don't want Sega to handle any ports

[quick elbow]

but they haven't yet, so I remain a negative nancy lol

[floral stratus]

Look what happened last time they didn’t handle a port either-

[fading fjord]

The fact stuff like Metroid Prime Remastered exists and full on remakes of Resident Evil games exists from other companies

[floral stratus]

The answer isn’t getting different studios, just being fucking competent and know what you’re doing, lmao.

[fading fjord]

And Sonic got a really shoddy port, a meddled port of some of the Classics and Sonic Frontiers

[quick elbow]

oh yeah SC:U is prime example for why they should never port again 💀

[fading fjord]

Which while I like Frontiers, isn't the upper escalon of gaming rn at all. Sega really needs new management dawg.

[floral stratus]

The last thing they need is another restructuring, lol.

[quick elbow]

its wild too that all these side-projects are wonky as fuck whilst ST's been doing great on the bugs/consistent performance front for the past

...decade I wanna say? Def from Gens onwards I wanna say

[fading fjord]

I'd say things in Frontiers ain't the best implemented though

There a lot of cracks in the game currently and will presist

[formal rapids]

frontiers is the glitchiest game theyve had since

[floral stratus]

The thing is that Frontiers has very specific circumstances about why it came out the way it did.

It’s not like this is a history sort of thing.

[formal rapids]

honestly 06? like obviously it's not that bad, it just goes to show how they cleaned up their act

[floral stratus]

Pretty much every game following 06 by Sonic Team has been stable and sound for the most part.

[fading fjord]

The fact the rail switching issues is still carried issues stemming from LW/Forces is hilarious

That should've been fixed during testing, how did it end up being in the final game

[quick elbow]

yeah 06 definitely got them to fix up on that front lol

[formal rapids]

🎵 CRUNCH CRUNCH 🎵 ayo turn that shit up charles!

[floral stratus]

I’d think they had glaring issues to worry issues to worry about maybe? I don’t think a rail switching animation would be at the top of their priority list.

I say that but even then, the details surrounding Frontiers’s development is still fairly vague besides certain details.

[formal rapids]

eh not nessecarily

[shell yoke]

Me walking into origins chat to see y’all talking about frontiers

[formal rapids]

they started pre-prod in 2017, wanted to do something new, and spent 2+ years testing the waters. development began proper in 2019 but as 2020 arrived and the pandemic came knocking, the game was delayed by a year from 2021 to 2022 for further development

[shell yoke]

I think she means the

Actual details

Cuz like

[quick elbow]

truly a shame, instead you should've walked into origins chat to see us talking about boobs

[shell yoke]

At first they basically had the unreal engine tech demo but real

[formal rapids]

i mean this is as straight forward as most development stories for sonic games

[shell yoke]

Then they were like “oh zamn this ain’t working”

So they pooped out a bunch of floating platforms and rails on top

[tranquil cloud]

Hey

So uhh

This new murder sonic game made me appreciate trash so much more

[shell yoke]

What I’m really interested in is whatever back and forth Sonic Team must have had with Sega 🤔

About the game coming out

[tribal wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071901843485114417/1087823937402048574/savetweetvid_Frwq2kEWICQeWuM.gif

[tranquil cloud]

Like, “every man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”

That spoke to me

And

[quick elbow]

thankfully it feels like much less than something like Forces lol

[tranquil cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[quick elbow]

Forces reeks of corporate meddling whilst Frontiers feels like they just, let em cook

[formal rapids]

spectre please the whole point is that barry got lucky the time they looked in the computer room for the trash

[fringe verge]

As far as they could, at least

[shell yoke]

But like that’s the clip notes version

[formal rapids]

only one man's trash is another man's treasure

[shell yoke]

This game look FIVE YEARS to come out

They must have been bumbling around big time for a while

[formal rapids]

i mean we can fill in the void 🤷

[shell yoke]

With what 😭

[tribal wave]

Deez nuts

[quick elbow]

cu

[shell yoke]

I listed like the only 3 things we know about

FUCK YOU GUYS

[fringe verge]

There is a lot we don't know. A lot of the documentation of Frontiers definetely had to be changed between the versions of the game

[fading fjord]

Nah the rails essentually don't have proper anything. Like how the speed works is wonky and you fly backwards usually

Which didn't happen with Unleashed/Gens rails. Lost World fucked up a lot of things which is the reason for a lot of issues with Frontier

[shell yoke]

Oh the fucking rails..

[tribal wave]

Frontiers is definitely held together by pretty washy tape

[shell yoke]

Like I wouldn’t care that much if it was an animation issue only

But that shit flings me off into the depths

[fading fjord]

There are other issues like with how Sonic even moves around the terrain is wonky af

[shell yoke]

Whenever I’m boosting

[fading fjord]

Like they should've nailed the movement system first to begin with

[shell yoke]

Wrong choice of words imo

[quick elbow]

https://twitter.com/MavisKirpi/status/1642539649410162688

Didi | CEO of Pink Shadow 🩷🦔 (@MavisKirpi)

Amy to the defense!

Likes

5844

Retweets

735

Twitter · Apr 2, 2023, 2:49 PM

[shell yoke]

because he moves pretty well lmao, just wish they tightened air control

[fringe verge]

Movement is as valuable as the world it is build upon, so they better nail what the world is about in order to do a movement that is congruent with it

[shell yoke]

Just say you want them to fix the terrain collision

[formal rapids]

they obviously didnt intend a full 5 year wait

the big red ball in the room

[fringe verge]

It's like Marble Zone in Sonic 1

Most of your speed in that level is completely useless because the level is not build around that

[shell yoke]

shut up south park i didn’t say that

[formal rapids]

I WAS REQUOTING SPECTRE 😭

[formal rapids]

shut up south park 💀

[shell yoke]

no u

[fading fjord]

Nah, the best thing to do is make sure the movement is good and build the world around it.

That's how most platformers work

[fading fjord]

I want them to fix rails, make his jump not so weightless etc

[shell yoke]

never heard that before

[formal rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

WAIT THIS IS THE WRONG GIF

FUK

[shell yoke]

😭

[fading fjord]

me when i switch to another rail whilst boosting a fly backwards 👍

origins is so ass that we started talking bout frontears

[shell yoke]

Anyways I’d like to direct the conversation back to the best feature Origins Plus has to offer and frankly makes the price point worthwhile for this alone.

[fringe verge]

lol

And I don't think Origins is ass

is flawed, sure. I won't cover the sun with my finger

but neither is the thing that killed my grandma

(Sonic 1 GBA exists for that lol)

[hexed heron]

oh for fuck sake, what is happening now?

[shell yoke]

Sonic Origins unleashes the worst in people !

[fringe verge]

Some Origins debate that turned into a frontiers debate that then returned to be Origins through Fizzyyy's cute shitpost

[shell yoke]

but it’s real..

[fringe verge]

Can we go much higher?

[formal rapids]

the accident wasnt your fault, fizzy. you need to move on.

[hexed heron]

better perfect chaos

[hexed heron]

So anyway

[kind lintel]

here's some advertising boxart for origins plus

someone seems to have put it up for sale on yahoo auctions

[granite lichen]

That isn't sonic movement

That's just the terrain collision that is not good

[vagrant spindle]

Fuck terrain

[fringe verge]

https://fxtwitter.com/TeeLopes/status/1642937144137203732?t=L9-ik4NOPD2Fu6DDFso-mw&s=19

[pure flare]

oh mY GOD

FINALLY

[tranquil cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[fringe verge]

that's a banger of a song honestly

[fading fjord]

People still use this forum…

[fringe verge]

Yep and still will be used

[pure flare]

we have plus coming out ofc we will use it lol

[floral stratus]

yeah no fucking shit, freeze

Of course we'll use it

But majority of this will be mainly about Amy really

With a little bit of Knuckles in CD

[mental geyser]

Lowkey my favorite Track in mania I’m not kidding

THAT SAX TOO

[fringe verge]

Metallic madness is such a joy in Mania imo

[fringe verge]

Yeah. Lopes shines a lot

[honest plank]

Love this shit

[fringe verge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[frail tide]

I finally figured out the sonic 3 music situation, based on research,
mj originally tries to produce some tracks for sonic 3, does a few stuff but has brad buxer make the rest of the songs for whatever reason (business, inconvenience, etc), sonic 3 comes out but due to MJ controveries sega scraps much of what mj did for sonic 3 to avoid bad press, 20 years later with origins sega is likely unable to get a hold of brad buxers original tracks due to technically being owned by the jackson estate due to buxer being part of jacksons sound team.
So yeah thats pretty much the reason why we havent gotten sonic 3 original songs in origins
did i get anything wrong/leave anything out?

tldr, dont fuck with jackson estate

sonic origins will never be able to get some of the og sonic 3 music

my biggest question though

how come sonic 3 was able to get released with all the og tracks on ds and gamecube but not on pc?

[hexed heron]

no offense, but how the hell did you NOT know about that?

[hexed heron]

also maybe because Jackson was still alive

[frail tide]

oooooh, why does jackson dying prevent the tracks from getting released

i imagine he is extremely leniant with "his work"

i dont think he cares

[fringe verge]

After Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles released, Michael Jackson got some...severe allegations

[lost quail]

cause the estate want money

[frail tide]

yeah, he didnt actually produce the tracks and was being accused of pedophilia i think

[sonic rampart]

og reading the room challenge (impossible)

[devout raft]

https://twitter.com/keithjohnstack/status/1643236984599597056?t=GPfkMjGCTRmLXFrS6UG2kw&s=19

KEITH BLAST (@keithjohnstack)

https://t.co/5tVYyuoMN9

Likes

196

Twitter · Apr 4, 2023, 1:00 PM

[wheat wadi]

Getting the feeling that people just dont like classic sonic as much as they used.

Been seeing a lot of people being very vocal about it.

[quartz grotto]

I like the classic games. I love that we have the CW ports and S3&K widescreen on consoles finally

[wheat wadi]

Yeah, I think its cool.

I mean, people dont have to like Classic Sonic. I just think its interesting to see since for the longest time the general consensus I witnessed were that Modern Sonic is very hit and miss while classic Sonic games are usualy very highly regarded despite their issues.

It feels so sudden that I kind of wonder how much their opinion is effected by just being around the Sonic fanbase rather then their actual personal expirience.

....maybe I looked at twitter to much today

[formal rapids]

I think that very attitude is why people are growing tired of him

there’s only so many times you can say ‘classic sonic is the best!’ before annoying people

especially since the rest of the franchise does have admirable titles and qualities beyond what happened in the early 90s

[wheat wadi]

I get it, I seeing people praise something endlessly is always annoying. Especialy at the cost of praise to other things.

At the same time tho, I don't think that should clout people's enjoyment and judgement towards stuff. There is a good reason why I and others still like Classic as much as we do and would like to see its elements being utilized and expended upon.

I just want people to be more honest with themselves instead of trying to hunt for rebelion.

If it wasnt obvious I am refering to that Sonic Utopia post people started arguing about.

[formal rapids]

The Utopia arguments are less ‘ugh classic stinks’ and more of a momentum debate, which is not classic-only

[wheat wadi]

Yeah, I still want more momentum stuff so I guess it does kind of stink to see so many people writing it off like it does not belong.

Like I said, I looked to much at Twitter today, it was a slow day at work.

[quick elbow]

I love the classic games!! When they’re handled with full care & attention

Around the time of Mania classic was getting that full care, whilst modern was arguably not getting that between Forces and TSR

but now it’s the complete opposite, we’ve got a banger mainline game with Frontiers and great modern-focused side projects thanks to Murder

…and then Origins is, Origins lmao

it’s all just about the quality put into em - in an ideal world we’d be getting bangers on both ends, but it is what it is

[kind lintel]

i don't wanna discredit sonic team & other fans who put in work into origins

but the care put into origins feels kinda lacking to me

some obvious features like multiple save files for one character were forgotten
and the filtering issue is still yet to be fixed

it honestly feels like the development of this mostly revolves around doing things for the sake of doing it/meeting requests from sonic studio

especially the drop dash which was

• on request only
• director of sonic origins didn't seem that excited about getting it added

[quick elbow]

I don't doubt that the team behind Origins put as much love/effort into it as they could ("lazy devs" accusations never hold any water with me), but it 100% feels like they've been held back by higher ups

like, if they had the time, money and resources needed they could absolutely come up with a banger collection - but they haven't, and so they haven't

[granite lichen]

I like the classic specially cd but idk, I can't see them as my fav games

I never really comeback to any classic game

[quick elbow]

I could come back to 3&K aaaaaaaaaany day of the week, at the drop of a hat

the others, think I need to be in the mood for em

[pure flare]

Hmm

I honestly just like

Playing them for a bit

Rather than play em fully

Sonic 1 i play GHZ

Sonic 2 Hill Top

Sonic 3 till marble garden most times but i usually go pretty far when i can

[granite lichen]

yeah exactly

I can play them for a bit

but its mostly like

1 stage and then leave

[pure flare]

Sonic CD Palmtree Panic and a lil bit of collision chaos, but i also can beat that game very quickly

[granite lichen]

when I had mania downloaded after finishing I would just comeback to play like 1 stage and the leave

[pure flare]

Yea same

[granite lichen]

or not even play the whole stage 😭

just in the middle and then leave

[kind lintel]

same honestly, sometimes i have that feeling to replay origins again

[pure flare]

SAME

Its a shame i feel that with studiopolis

Cuz that act 1 boss is a fucking SLOG

[granite lichen]

oh nah

I liked that boss

act 2 one do sucks

[pure flare]

But that one is pretty mindless though

Also its cool for the first time, then its just like the windmill isle act 2 unwiished section

That is "a running boss" that take a minute or more out of a stage that took 1 minute

Im schizophrenic with games in general

Like Mario World, i stop at the first cave

Zelda Link to the Past, i do the tutorial and maybe get to the first dungeon

Sonic just gives me those nice easy first levels that are fun to go through

[sonic rampart]

the classic sonic games are nice in that you can get through it all pretty much in one sitting

3&k being the exception, but that makes sense since it's pretty much just two games in one

[quartz grotto]

The only thing I wish they added was more options on how to control Sonic like toggles to turn off the drop dash, super peel out, instashield and the spindash across all games

[floral stratus]

Honestly when it comes to classic it just depends on the series alone

Only time I always go like going back are Kirby, Metroid, Sonic, and Phantasy Star

[wheat wadi]

tbh I kind of used to and rarely still have that with games myself. what I learned tho is that if you can push yourself through that barrier and learn the game well enough to beat its challenges. it only gets better from there.

I know that sounds contrevertial , like why you should have to push yourself to have fun.

but I found that the games I pushed myself through are the ones I appreciate the most, a lot of the time more so then those I didn't struggle with.

like, tbh, I love Pizza Tower as much as I do atm BECAUSE I pushed myself to P rank it. I would have probably not touch the game again otherwise

thats just me tho.

[floral stratus]

To me when it comes to platfomers, it's just dependable for me

Outside of Sonic and Kirby, I don't really play that genre much anymore

[wheat wadi]

I agree, some of my facorite games are platformers, but most platformers are pretty boring lmao

games like Sonic and Mario has certain elements that for some reason are very much exclusive to those games and I don't see other platformers trying to adopt much.

the obviouse one is the movement systems, but other then that you also have stuff like...jumping on enemies in a row and earning points.

enviorments that effect you movements among other stage gimmicks that can act as an obstacle or a tool for your move set.

that along with good simple enemies with good placements that create a memorable moment.

[floral stratus]

Mario is just....... uninteresting to me; Outside of 3D World, I rarely tend to play any other mario games

Doesn't help with the repeated damsel story lmfao

[wheat wadi]

there are TO MANY platformer games out there that just DONT DO HALF of those things. they just boil down to just platform, enemies and very basic movement and thats it

[fringe verge]

That is where I find my fun with Megaman games and Sonic games

[shell yoke]

I see we’re talking about everyone’s favorite compilation once more

[fringe verge]

10/10 compilation clearly

[floral stratus]

I mean tbh I am just not really too big ov er platformers lmao

Oh shit forgot to say DK earlier too. Peak series

I'll keep saying to this day: DK > Mario when it comes to 2D platformers

[wheat wadi]

facts^

[shell yoke]

obviously

[wheat wadi]

for me 2D mario in particular is kind of fun, but very limited fun.

[fringe verge]

Doesn't Matter uncle ben

The first Yoshi's Island is better than both of them

[shell yoke]

hhhhh

[wheat wadi]

tbh I prefer Mario World over Yoshi

[floral stratus]

2D Mario just gets uninteresting to me

[wheat wadi]

Yoshi's a pretty game and its music is awesome.

but man....idk...

at least Mario World doesn't have scrolling sections.

[tribal wave]

Doesn't it?

[wheat wadi]

well...not many of them

and even then, those scrolling sections felt more intense with shit happening everywhere.

Yoshi's were boring to me.

[fringe verge]

That is fair. My comment was more of a joke as I still havent played the donkey kong games or Mario World entirely

[floral stratus]

To me I am just not too big over Mario

Never because of Sonic, it's just that whenever I try out Mario related game......

I don't feel that interested

While with the other mario chars like Luigi, DK, or Wario games I was far more interested

[wheat wadi]

I think thats a very common struggle for certain people.

the way I see it, Mario have always puts its game design first and foremost. that means that everything in the game serves the gameplay including the story and the enviorment.

[floral stratus]

Pretty much

[fringe verge]

The only time they didnt do this in 3d was sunshine imo

[floral stratus]

Like I always get invested over the story even if it's simple because it keeps me excited throughout

Mario was just "Oh no the princess is in danger, save her or them!"

[fringe verge]

The levels there feel more like real places than platform levels

[floral stratus]

And it's just.......

Only time I'll say managed it well over saving the princess trope was Galaxy

[tribal wave]

It's a game you play for 6-8 hours and you move on, right?

[wheat wadi]

thats what I mean, a lot of Mario games focus on creating enviorments that don't try to be to distracting or without to much pointless assets. everything is at a minimum to avoid player confusion and distraction from the gameplay. for a lot of people Mario games stroke that balance. but me personaly aswell as you guys I assume much prefer the levels to have more personality and like you said feel like actual places with a narative.

[granite lichen]

Yus

For me at least

[wheat wadi]

tldr, Mario games feel to....video gamey lol

[granite lichen]

I see classic games as one time experience

After that the magic kinda fades away

[wheat wadi]

thats how I feel about the modern games lol

[granite lichen]

Ohh

[fringe verge]

That is what I love about sunshine. They feel like places that exist before Mario was there rather than enviroments done with him in mind.

Even odyssey feels more like levels rather than real places for the most part.

They do feel like countries in terms of aesthetic and such, but I can clearly Tell they do feel more like levels due to the kind of structures they have

[wheat wadi]

tbh Mario games HAVE gotten better at it. Odyssey defiantly tried at least

idk I prefer 3D mario WAY more

3D Mario has a tendency to have way more interesting and complex mechanics and replayability opportunities.

[fringe verge]

Mhm Yeah.

[granite lichen]

Yus

But even so odyssey also throws random stuff around

Specially with the moons

[fringe verge]

Odyssey's main sin is having too many moons

[wheat wadi]

yeah, the moons are defiantly a bit of a turn off.

[fringe verge]

Also cappy remindin you about having all the moons is annoying lol

[wheat wadi]

I just feel like I was rewarded with more then just moons?

like...it doesn't even have to be a collectable

[floral stratus]

Odyssey's in-game is great

But it's post game is garbage

[wheat wadi]

^

[fringe verge]

3d Mario in general has always struggled with post game

Or 100% completion

Only 3d land/3d World feel adecuate or good in that área imo

[kind lintel]

https://fxtwitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/1643299908030730242

it seems like people are waking up to the audio problems

it's gotta to be some sort of issue with the emulator

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-23663947

[sonic rampart]

it does sound echoy as hell

it's more obvious here than in the other trailer tbf

[honest plank]

Meh

Tropical Freeze and DKC2 are peak

But the rest of DKC is just kind of okay if I'm honest

2D Sonic has always just been my thing

The replayability, the level design, art style is all pretty damn unparalleled

3D Sonic has always had this problem that there's too much non sonic shit for me

And most of it is not very good

[tranquil cloud]

I still believe Tropical Freeze is the best 2D platformer of all time.

[hexed heron]

i mean it has donkey kong

so you have a point

[mental geyser]

🗣️🔥🔥

It’s been 10 years tho I need another DK game

[wheat wadi]

I actualy only tried playing the first DKC game.

I think ill just skip it and play 2 since that seems to be everyone's favorite

[wheat wadi]

You know? I kind of agree, 2D Sonic have always been my favorite thing and probably played those more then any other game. You might even say their my favorite games of all time. But I always stay away from saying that because I notice not to many people admit to that and im afraid ill look like I have not played other games or overly biased.

[fringe verge]

That's fine. It is not wrong to admit something like that. I would say that it is bad if you take it to the extreme. But a posture as healthy as this is fine

[wheat wadi]

Yeah, its just that there are other games that has come out recently that are obviously better games. And to say Sonic is better then those would feel unfair.

Tbh I probably AM biased lol

Actualy....I dont really have preferences when I think about it.

[fringe verge]

I personally believe that every single one of us has some sort of bias about something so I don't care about that on itself. I look into how much the person lets that bias show and/or how much this person controls said bias

[wheat wadi]

For me there is definatly a threshold where games are good or bad and I usualy dont like looking to much beond that.

Like yeah, if you take 2 games under a microscope you could sum things up and see who's on top, but that wont stop me from enjoying both.

[fringe verge]

That's true. Again it's just enjoying a game and such. I just personally don't like extremists in terms of the bias

Any bias

[hexed heron]

👍

[wheat wadi]

Thats kind of why I hate the Sonic vs Mario movie argument atm lol

Or ANY Sonic vs Mario argument

[fringe verge]

Yeah

It becomes just a pointless fight at the moment

I personally remain in the middle

[wheat wadi]

These argument are honestly there more so for entertainment value then it is to have a genuine argument.

[hexed heron]

mario and sonic are friemds tho ;-;

[hexed heron]

i have more of a connection to sonic 2 cause i just prefer sonic in general

but the mario movie is alright too

[wheat wadi]

Btw its 5AM and I been up all night. Im definatly not gonna go to the premier lol.

[fringe verge]

I would make the image of sonic movie 2 equally sized as the mario movie one

just I don't like how unbalanced the image looks LOL

[wheat wadi]

Well, just remember he probably just wanted to cover the cakes.

[fringe verge]

I know. Just I never liked the unbalance in images lol

it's a little pet peeve of mine as a graphical designer

[hexed heron]

i see it like this

[wheat wadi]

Thats also a legit take

[hexed heron]

the larger cake is very well presented, tasty, and nicely decorated

but the smaller cake is my favourite flavour of cake :)

probably a mix of chocolate and caramel

[wheat wadi]

^

[fringe verge]

I'm kinda hungry of that

[wheat wadi]

The larger cake in cement.

Mario Movie:

[hexed heron]

nah

the mario movie is a vanilla cake, which is epic

vanilla is good flavour

i like vanilla

[fringe verge]

And sonic what would be? A cheesecake?

[hexed heron]

the fnaf movie is going to beat the shit outta both tho lmfao

[hexed heron]

a caramel cake

[lost quail]

OG BOY TWO MID CAKES

[fringe verge]

Hm we will see

they did say that they will use the 3 first movies as base and they all have wildly different times and such with just one loosely connected string between them

[hexed heron]

imagine a fnaf 4 sequence or callback

https://tenor.com/view/jibber-jabber-fnaf-freddy-fazbear-nightmare-freddy-fnaf4-gif-26055993

would be pretty cool

[fringe verge]

I was thinking and I would had done my first fnaf movie as a combination between fnaf 4 and sister location

[hexed heron]

idk if that would work for a first movie

but it could work for a prequel

[wheat wadi]

I found this image...thought I should share

[fringe verge]

let's take it #1090269206005690428

[honest plank]

I mostly vibe with that yeah

I think it's safe to say that most people here prefer 3D/modern Sonic

And that's obviously fine

Old farts like me are in the minority

[wheat wadi]

It wasnt always that way though.

I feel its only in the last few years that I seen rise in Modern popularity

Many Sonic Colors kids grow up lol

[granite lichen]

I dont think is that colors fans grew up

its just that people want to move on from classic games and have new stuff

[wheat wadi]

That as well.

[honest plank]

Not really

It's a demographic thing

Most people here are in their early to mid 20s

So from a likelihood perspective

Games like Heroes, Adventure 2, Rush, Unleashed and Colors are a lot of people's first exposure to the franchise as a whole

Going all the way back to the genesis games is actually weird for a lot of younger people, it makes sense

[honest plank]

Also nah modern has always been consistently popular

Even when the games were shit they were popular

[wheat wadi]

Well, I didnt meant to say Modern isn't popular because it definatly always was. It just that I seen a lot of people agree they prefer classic more.

[honest plank]

In order circles yeah

But definitely not tails channel

[wheat wadi]

Oh, yeah Tails Channel be like that.

[sonic rampart]

my first exposure to sonic was a bootleg version of sonic 1 made for the educom

[tranquil cloud]

my first sonic game i ever owned

[kind lintel]

which 8-bit sonic games have you guys played?

[sonic rampart]

i tried at least each of the ones that were available in mega collection plus

[wheat wadi]

I tried each one at least a few times.

I only actualy beat a few of them.

The only one I consider to be kinda good is Sonic 1

The rest are either stupidly hard or stupidly easy.

[sonic rampart]

they are a mixed bag for sure, but i remember having fun with them for the most part

[wheat wadi]

Its been a while since I last played them I admit.

[lost quail]

I’ve played almost all of em, except for Mean Bean and Spinball cause why tf would I?

Tails Adventure is the best one, everything else is mid

[robust whale]

mean bean is really good honestly

and it has some cool music

its puyo puyo with a sonic skin yes

but because its puyo puyo

[sonic rampart]

i think what they mean is why play them when the genesis versions exist

[robust whale]

its good

[lost quail]

Am I really gonna get anything different when I could play the Genesis version tho

[robust whale]

OH

lmao never mind

[lost quail]

Smh David

[robust whale]

sorry i did that dumb thing of tunnelvisioning when reading messages

didn't realize the context

[lost quail]

Boutta call u Lavid

[kind lintel]

8-bit sonic spinball just looks really choppy, ms & gg aren't up to snuff lol

it's honestly a little bit weird to have music for the md version in origins but not the game itself

[robust whale]

i'm sorry

[lost quail]

Lmao u good

[robust whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2558kyUsDE8

[sonic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/valentines-day-son-happy-grandson-gif-24904406

[tranquil cloud]

Mean Bean had some really good bops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8dHnQdGu3o

[quartz grotto]

I'm just now realizing that Mania took this song and remixed it

[kind lintel]

https://youtu.be/Fu-ZxTHKeDg

it's this right?

i'm terrible at comparing music

[tranquil cloud]

Yup, it's the one

Btw, this song didn't originate from Mean Bean, but from one of the Puyo Puyo games

[quartz grotto]

Yep this is it

[robust whale]

the mania remix is good but i honestly prefer the original way more

[tranquil cloud]

Same

[robust whale]

this one lacks the nastiness

[tranquil cloud]

Mean Bean soundfont just hits different

[kind lintel]

https://youtu.be/8oaDWL-1W20

[tranquil cloud]

You could say

It’s meeeean

[quartz grotto]

The mean bean music lore goes even deeper than I thought lol

[robust whale]

i like that even tho mean bean is literally the same game, they still did something to make the music sound different even tho its the same track

[pure flare]

It was a pretty decent rom hack for the time lmao

[tribal wave]

It's wild how different the art style for Puyo is now compared to its earlier years

[tranquil cloud]

I was just going to say

She really reminds me of the artsyle of the older FE games.

[tribal wave]

I can still tell it's Arle, but like

[pure flare]

i know puyo's sega artstyle is iconic

but i will always prefer the compile era artstyle

its classic anime but its so good

[tranquil cloud]

I love Classic Arle

Those sprites look so good

[pure flare]

also this art's satan cracks me up

cuz he looks like this

and the next game he looks like this

[subtle mirage]

I did the same and I agreed. I think Sonic Chaos was my favorite one out of the bunch, but I still had some issues with its design. Sleeping Egg Zone and Neo Green Hill were ridiculously stressful for me back when I first played them. And of course, Sonic Blast was very strange (I recall getting to the lava level).

[kind lintel]

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/products/nintendo-switch-sonic-origins-plus

i still prefer the jp one

pal looks pretty good though

[hexed heron]

You’re Australian :0

That’s an Australian store :0

[robust whale]

mc is from southeast asia lol

probably just did research

[hexed heron]

O ok

[kind lintel]

i saw tracker talking about it on twitter