#Hearts of Iron IV

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somber cradle
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(Japan here) why no fight me ; ( I was waiting to : L our mighty duel!

warped condor
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@here please add/find your name and give yourself a "ranking" in terms of HOI4 experience so we can balance better in the future

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PVz53hoPPmRCOk2BsLfcerARoOY-Lwc2tkUGPxhjkEg/edit#gid=2012393577

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HOI4 OPS REGISTER

Sheet1

SQUAD OPS HOI4 MP Event
Saturday 5/25 @ 4PM EDT
ALLIES,AXIS
UNITED KINGDOM,GERMANY,Phoenix
UNITED STATES,ITALY,king
SOVIET UNION,Rosa,JAPAN
FRANCE,HUNGARY
CANADA,ROMANIA
AUSTRALIA,BULGARIA
BRITISH RAJ,FINLAND,Brownbear
SOUTH AFRICA
CHINA,Practical Penguin
BRAZIL,jjjjj
GREECE*
NORWAY*
Int...

wise lance
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bro hit the @ here...

warped condor
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it only pings hoi people (the people who have opted in), minehey

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very appropriate

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supposed to, anyway

spiral lantern
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Heck @everyone also only pings people in this channel, which could also possibly be appropriate if pressing enough to warrant it's usage.

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Err, thread*

mortal remnant
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But in all seriousness I was working on the subs first

somber cradle
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tehe

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sunk all my tier 1s

mortal remnant
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I was spaming DE's and you still managed to get convoys it was very sad

somber cradle
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poor crew only heard BANG then death

mortal remnant
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Mariner go brrrrrr

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but yeah

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if y'all wanna play imba as hell matches that's fine

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not like the pub server on Squad is balanced when admins free swap at will until the Ops death stack squad gets made

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just don't waste hours of mine or really anyone else's time for it

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also I had some really good roasts lined up you can ask @azure crow

somber cradle
mortal remnant
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we could do a co op vs a max buffed AI sure that could be fun

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or that "Hitler goes to war witht he entire planet" mod

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or or wait

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is that an invitation to embrace the magic of friendship??????????????????????

keen edge
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Would newer players be interested in a Hoi4 crash course? IF so let me know and when I have time maybe we can give a brief 30-60 minute overview

sharp phoenix
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When next game?

somber cradle
keen edge
somber cradle
sharp phoenix
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test build time

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somber cradle
sharp phoenix
iron quartz
hazy creek
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Either way, I was thinking about this because something that was said yesterday was that people just want to have fun.

And that is way different way of playing than playing to win.

I am a part of a community where we co-create experiences together and one thing that usually requires is calibration. And I wondered if that is something people tried to do with these games in the past. Like once in a while the game gets paused and people get in the same channel (call it a UN conference or something. A bit of RP and friendly banter involved) and check if people are having fun or someone is getting so badly crushed it is no fun for them and maybe people should turn their troops to a different direction for a year or any other arbitrary period. Or make some weird diplomacy deals. Like you keep Scotland you stinky Brits, we don't like it anyway.

Of course this is not to say people should not win, but maybe it could slow down the collapse of the whole world when a very experienced player is able to easily defeat a situation that should not be normally possible because they can spot and abuse a hole in defense.

You know, kind of like when experienced boxer spars with a newbie. You know the experienced one can and will win.. but maybe they should take it a bit easy on the other one so all sides can learn and have some fun

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And I am not advocating here that people should not be trying to win because well, that'd be silly, but maybe win a bit slower. Like if there's one big easy breakthrough right at the beginning of the war that leads to a push all the way to enemy's capital, even though normally that should not be possible.. perhaps the winning side should break that push into smaller parts and "win slower", to give the other side some time to recollect and then be broken through again. I get that this doesn't make sense if we're trying to win, because every advantage possible should be used.. but if this is less about winning and more about having fun, then maybe releasing the gas pedal a bit could be considered

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After all.. if the winning is too easy.. then is it even fun?

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I guess people need to talk more as they go

hazy creek
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One other technique that comes to my mind is something we call "slow escalation". In terms of HoI4 MP it could be something like.. there is an understanding you're planning an attack on someone before that attack happens. I.e. no sudden unexpected declares of war without the other side being aware this might happen anytime now. That way the other side does not get caught with pants down and losing their whole country in a month because let's be honest it is hard to stop a spearhead in a non-existing defense posture.

Of course from winning perspective it makes a lot of sense to surprise your opponent when they least expect it. From having fun with your friends perspective it potentially instantly shuts down one of the players.

I am aware the game has some mechanics to notify you beforehand that something might be coming up. But I guess letting the other person know that.. you know, you have a nice land over there it'd he a shame if something happened to it.. would let them have more of the game and a more tactical battle than just steamrolling for the attacker too.

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This all makes me think of the one life event where we got told we should not blow up a full truck of infantry early in the game (even if given the opportunity) because we're trying to make some good experience for people involved and have some good battles 😅

bronze rain
# hazy creek And I am not advocating here that people should not be trying to win because wel...

This is the theme of our games: balance and restraint. At least that has been our general intent, imo. There have been many instances where players hold back, either by sticking to the strict historical path of a country to avoid disrupting others or by not attacking/invading a country they know they would easily defeat, which would prematurely end the game. However, there has to be some give and take. If Player 1 exploits Player 2’s defenses and invades, and Player 2 had years to prepare, I see no issues with that. If someone chooses to play as France, capitulates to Germany, and then gets upset, they have only themselves to blame for picking a country that historically loses. The key is balancing fun with competition, which can be tough to do when there are 4-10 people of varying skills levels.

iron quartz
azure crow
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But I do agree with you that it’s a game much more geared towards a generally good PvP multiplayer experience

iron quartz
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Just sayin, #1174212980628529184 is a thing and there is interest in a game today

hazy creek
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To make it clear, I am not on anyone's side here, nor do I have specific games or players in mind. Just brainstorming some thoughts how to ensure people not getting frustrated as much.

@bronze rain I agree the france should not be surprised that germany knocks on its door. I think my thought was more around the case where a) germany knocks a year sooner than expected. Or b) germany tears down the barn door with the hinges and half of the wall.

With the historical plays I find it a bit wonky at times because the only thing historical is the factions. France should not give up so easy due to history maybe. But germany should not succeed with naval invasion of UK either.. so how historical is it then. And since games can go any direction that mid game checkin could be cool

Personally if I played France I expect to get steamrolled because well.. historicality. But also I expect most of my game to play in Africa or something with exiled government if that's a thing

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But if I get steamrolled real hard despite my best efforts and it imbalances the game for others in my faction and axis capitalizes on it hard then I am afraid I can't do much about it

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I guess for most people a game is meaningful if they see there is a chance or purpose. When that disappears people start checking out.

Does it mean that before that happens it might be time to reconsider if the new alternative history is not an option?

wise lance
hazy creek
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I tried Stellaris a few times but there is something about playing on a map of the world

But I wanted to play some tall megacorp one of those days

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But I forgot everything by now

mortal remnant
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I havent played Stellaris since the latest DLC(s?) but they nerfed tech rushing

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apparently tall is more viable now since they are buffing the sprawl penalty every expansion nowadays

buoyant hazel
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Historical only applies to the focuses people choose. Strategies are up to individual players, and will be ahistorical. No one wants to completely copy WW2, and have the US invade the few Normandy tiles exactly on June 6th. That would be extremely boring. The UK got sealioned because of a skill difference and not having a navy protecting the home islands. The issues yesterday came from a lack of balance and difference in skill levels, and were compounded by poor sportsmanship. You can’t agree to play HOI and get upset if you lose, that is part of the game.

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I was playing Finland, and if the soviets had invaded me I would have lost. I only had 26 divisions when we quit playing. If I did lose, I’d have no right to complain because I picked a minor that is going to be invaded by a major. The point of the game is trying different strategies and tactics, and sometimes you’ll lose. If you don’t want to lose, then pick a safe minor to learn the game, or don’t play. I think going forward there needs to be a ranking system (like we’re doing with the spreadsheet) and rules around sportsmanship.

sharp phoenix
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I take it no game today?

buoyant hazel
somber cradle
rich forum
somber cradle
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Also I got some really fun ideas for mp I'll elaborate when I get back from golf

rich forum
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May e around session 2 time?

warped condor
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@here gauging interest/availability for HOI start times. If we pick one of the later ones I'd be happy to play a focused practice one beforehand with anyone trying to learn (generally or learn more about something specific):

4PM EDT 🇦
6PM EDT 🇧
8PM EDT 🇨
10PM EDT 🇩

noble mica
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hoi bad stellaris

warped condor
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HOI4 EVENT IN <t:1716760800:R> @ <t:1716760800:t>

**Sign-Up Here: **https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PVz53hoPPmRCOk2BsLfcerARoOY-Lwc2tkUGPxhjkEg/edit?usp=sharing

(sign ups show intent/interest, not a guarenteed election, balancing may need to be done. please stay flexible)

Also available in that link:

  • Country Information (starting factories, dock yards, etc)
  • Historical Focus Trees (dont need to adhere strictly to these, just helpful as a guide)
  • Self ranking tool to help with balancing.

Todays event:

  • Historical for majors and minors, non negotiable.
  • Unaligned must declare which side they are on by 1JAN37. (we can alter this date if the majority agrees)
  • A sincere attempt will be made to balance teams. Even perfectly balanced teams can lead to unbalanced "fronts". Honest communication and a little grace is required to ensure fun.
  • There is a difference between resigning in defeat and rage quitting. Those believed to be doing the latter will be given benefit of the doubt, but as in any community, will rub people the wrong way and result in not getting to participate in the future.
  • Those resigning in defeat can rejoin as a different nation on the same side of the war. You should be making a sincere effort to "rescue the war effort" though, not giving up at the first sign of defeat.
  • Incessant pausing will result in being removed from the game. These games already take huge amounts of time. Incessant to be defined by the host and gauged by fellow participants.
  • Shit attitudes will be met with ejection and mockery. You are adults, and no one is forcing you to be here.
sharp phoenix
warped condor
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try now?

sharp phoenix
somber cradle
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(leaders would also control unit template)

warped condor
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I've always thought something like that would be fun. Would require some prep and trying to balance fun/boredom (for example, would espionage & air be enough to keep someone engaged, or are those better given to command, etc). For 6pm today I think we'll probably stick with standard historical, but I added a template to that link for your idea.

buoyant hazel
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Just Player Led for mods right? I'll get the game loaded before we start since it takes my pc a while

warped condor
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yeah just PLPC (thats the case 99% of the time unless otherwise stated)

rich forum
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wont make it tonight but my prayers are with my communist comrades

somber cradle
mortal remnant
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Who's hosting

sharp phoenix
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@warped condor

somber cradle
warped condor
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@here HOI4 event starting now

pallid pagoda
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how is hoi4?

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i own it, played it once

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dont reallly get it

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should i get back into it or nah

keen edge
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Lot of people are playing frequently for MP. We go through sputs of playing frequently and taking a break 4-6 times a year

sharp phoenix
keen edge
somber cradle
buoyant hazel
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may help prevent late game lag and desync?

mortal remnant
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Sigh I couldnt micro Europe and the Pacific at the same time

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US really needs 2 players in a MP game

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I would be happy to have someone Co-Op as Europe or Pacific

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So what I think happened to me personally

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is I wasnt building enough trains

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and got like 20 divisions just overran cus of lack of trains

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I had trucks for days but I've never had such a train defecit

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GG @warped condor, I couldn't keep a foothold on anything because my logistics were doodoo

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twas rough

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Didn't even build the tambor class tbh

sharp phoenix
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I think we could benefit from a Europe only mod in the future. That way all minors are played, game runs faster, and you don't have to worry about Asia.

keen edge
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Anyone interested later today for MP?

spark crater
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I could be down for it

candid garden
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im down as well

rich forum
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Can we do the mp game closer to session 2 time tonight?

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I get off work at 6pm est and I need time to get home

cursive ruin
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Should meme around with NAD, little rusty with HOI but I’d be down to get back into it for that.

wise lance
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dont doit

cursive ruin
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Deseret does kinda rule yes, but I’m game for whatever. Remember the fun ones being Penn Amish, Texas Rangers, Disney Cali, Mormon Utah. Can’t remember much about my NC, Ohio, & Hawaii

sharp phoenix
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Anyone interested in playing the 1v1/2v2 mod? Shorter, balanced games. Format is fight over 3 neutral objectives for an hour. Hold more/kill opponent=win

rich forum
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I still think we should try Kaiserriech or kaiserredux sometime

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Would be interesting

stuck bear
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The issue is the instability with mods when you start stacking a 12 person game together. We were having desync issues alot last night after 1943

rich forum
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The mods have built in division limiters to help with late game lag

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You can also make them apply to players if you want

keen edge
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I’m down to play if anyone else is

stuck bear
silver vale
rich forum
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I’m on my way home now

keen edge
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@here quick hoi4 game in lets say 20?

buoyant hazel
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How quick?

keen edge
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welllllll

silver vale
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I can be home in 15

keen edge
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as quick as quick can be

wise lance
woeful pollen
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5 minutes

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So plan well!

keen edge
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@spark crater

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90198614858687492
PW ops2024

sharp phoenix
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@candid garden

keen edge
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Historical majors and non historical minors. non historical minors must choose a side by Jan 1st of 1937

sharp phoenix
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@full musk

silver vale
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Actually I will be home in 30mins

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I need to pick up something from pharmacy

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I will join a bit late

sharp phoenix
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@here anyone else coming?

warped condor
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Last night was 7 descyncs - all late game, that took like 70 seconds to resolve. Thats 8 minutes of "lag issues" in a 6+ hour game session.

IMO, that's effectively zero.

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Not "a lot".

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Just my 2 cents.

stuck bear
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Sure however it was only getting worse. It wasn't getting better.

sharp phoenix
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Mathematically correct. But it "feels" much longer, you get taken out of the game, look around, oh I'm hungry, oh I'm tired. And when it's already late and it's been many hours it "feels" like an eternity

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Also they don't stop happening

bronze rain
warped condor
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I can't help 70 seconds feeling like an eternity lol. Can only recommend cutting the reels and TikToks out of your life.

warped condor
bronze rain
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Anyone down for some HOI4?

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<@&984509893920817192>

rich forum
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Wifi is fixed so i can play anytime

bronze rain
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@round panther

keen edge
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Anyone interested in a game either today or tomorrow?

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For Friday @ 6PM

woeful sun
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tomorrow sure

keen edge
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<@&984509893920817192> ^^^^^

tight ice
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No

ocean lichen
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can we play now pls

spark crater
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today or tomorrow works!

ancient burrow
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Today works for myself.

candid garden
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i can play today not tmrw

keen edge
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I could do a short game today but think tomorrow would be the big one

noble mica
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am down

rich forum
rich forum
ocean lichen
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can we start small game soon tm

hazy creek
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It'd be cool if we sometime play a game that doesn't start at 0-2am for EU peeps 😅 but I guess that's like 6pm for you. I guess for EU the best bet is on weekend where hopefully US peeps can start sooner

stuck bear
hazy creek
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Yeah. I kinda get that I probably couldn't play sooner than 5pm on my average work day either

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Gotta wait my week 😅

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All good really. I just need to be patient

stuck bear
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Yeah this week is a bit out there cause of memorial day on Monday in the US and then with Rosa finishing up with the school year also. It's just all over the place

hazy creek
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Gotcha! All good. Weekend probably works best anyway, at least I ~won't go~ have a lower chance to sleep at 2am on workday 😅

stuck bear
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True lol. Playing during the week kinda turns into a speed 4 sprint haha

rich forum
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Saturday after session one we will play a game

stuck bear
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Its still kind of a sprint but it can be done. Typically we are done by S2

hazy creek
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Cool cool. I am going to a b'day party on saturday afternoon but should make it to the session. Unless I have an extremely good time, but my last days are so social I am running out of social energy so I don't expect to stay too long at the party

hazy creek
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I think the best time is when there is this summer/winter time misalignment between EU/US. Then we have one hour smaller difference

rich forum
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i dont care about timing im playing hoi right after the op

somber cradle
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hey if yall wanna play hoi4 Saturday im down 0_o to

azure crow
tame flame
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finishing final grades is always a huge relief off the shoulders

woeful pollen
somber cradle
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Anyone trying to play hoi4 soon <t:1717180200:R>

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I most likely wont be able to do the 6pm one so : P

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STARES INTO YOUR SOUL

somber cradle
noble mica
somber cradle
stuck bear
keen edge
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<@&984509893920817192> starting in 20

shrewd basin
keen edge
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new game

shrewd basin
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Got room for one complete HOI4 noob?

keen edge
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always

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Server ID: 90198718865859588
PW: ops2024

shrewd basin
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Thanks! What Channels?

keen edge
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Blufor

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going afk for a sec

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@spark crater @woeful sun @sharp phoenix @noble mica @rancid robin

spark crater
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be there in 10

noble mica
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be there in 10

rancid robin
keen edge
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@here lets gooooooo

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Server ID: 90198718865859588
PW: ops2024

somber cradle
dull halo
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I've never played before, but I have the game. Will I be able to be helpful if I join? Lol or should I wait until I get some practice?

keen edge
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come join

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we welcome people to learn with smaller nations

noble mica
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phoenix you playing?

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@warped condor

sharp phoenix
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@here last call

rancid robin
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Will be there in a bit

warped condor
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@keen edge if the US is open I might late join in an hour or so

quaint igloo
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Ill be late

warped condor
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(Or just anything that isn't already in the shit)

sharp phoenix
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Need jap.............

tame flame
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thinking about jap or hungary

azure crow
stuck bear
keen edge
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Ggs everyone !

rich forum
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@hazy creek do you think you’ll be on after session 1?

hazy creek
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yass

hazy creek
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the op is doneee

rich forum
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Be there in a sec

hazy creek
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I am in the seeding channel pull me when needed or something

warped condor
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@here looks like the post-S1 didnt happen. If anyones interested I'd be down to host one around 2000EDT

or if anyone wanted to do a practice/learning run right now for the next hour or so I'd be down

bronze rain
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@versed knot ^

spark crater
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I'm down for later tonight

versed knot
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@bronze rain

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rich forum
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I’ll be there in a few minutes

bronze rain
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To play in our HOI4 games:

1. Go to the HOI4 Sheet and fill out your rank, based on your own opinion of how good of a player you are. This is for balancing reasons only: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PVz53hoPPmRCOk2BsLfcerARoOY-Lwc2tkUGPxhjkEg/edit#gid=2012393577

2. If a game will be starting soon or has been planned, go to the "HOI4 OPS Register" sub-sheet, click on "Sign Ups", and input your name into a country of your choice.

3. Download the "Player-Led Peace Conference" Mod: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=846066944

4. The Server ID and Password will be given out by the in-game Host.

5. For new or veteran players, here is a good resource for what path to take for your countries Focus Tree in a historical manner. It is updated periodically. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1324609784

6. How to play HOI4 (Paradox guide): https://youtu.be/QvHT121_lWQ?si=mUTGCObwUackeHpL

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HOI4 OPS REGISTER

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HOI4 MP Event
Friday MAY/31 @ 6 EDT
ALLIES,AXIS
UNITED KINGDOM,GERMANY
UNITED STATES,ITALY
SOVIET UNION,JAPAN
Major Power Multiplier,0,0
FRANCE,HUNGARY
CANADA,ROMANIA
AUSTRALIA,BULGARIA
BRITISH RAJ,SPAIN
SOUTH AFRICA,FINLAND*
CHINA*,Switzerland*
BRAZIL,jjjjj
MONGOLIA
NORWAY*
Poland*
GR...

keen edge
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is someone starting a game?

bronze rain
bronze rain
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For Carzzan and Free

stuck bear
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If we are playing one tonight after S2 I'm down.

spark crater
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are we planning to do one after S2?

warped condor
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I might start one that overlaps with S2. Starting a HOI game at 11pm is rough.

stuck bear
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If that's the case I'm out then.

rancid robin
warped condor
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I'm away until at least 8/830 probably, would just be for the folks who aren't playing in the op

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(And don't want to wait until 11)

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Others can of course start one post S2

stuck bear
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I just think if you did start one before, you arent going to have a full game as in you'll have key countries being AI.

warped condor
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Definitely possible - lots of fun to be had in MP HOI with just a small handful, especially if teaching others.

If it doesn't happen at all I could still be swayed to play one starting at 11EDT. But for east coast folks that's committing to playing until 3am ish

stuck bear
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True. No good times on Saturdays other than after S1

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And I know I can't start one tomorrow cause of the assaulter course so

rich forum
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Ping me if we get a group together

somber cradle
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We going am I going to transform into a 3am EST troglodyte

warped condor
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@herereact if you are interested in playing at 11PM EDT

noble mica
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pain and booze am down

primal prism
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uugggghhhh how much do i hate life

somber cradle
noble mica
warped condor
primal prism
noble mica
warped condor
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actually react if you are interested so we have a headcount #1177392747817209876 message

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not to this one you degenerate mfers lmfao

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fine, this one

rancid robin
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No, this one

somber cradle
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Also if we dont get enough players we can do CO-OP on this lol

warped condor
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90198748553798687
ops25

rich forum
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@stuck bear @bronze rain ?

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@spark crater

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@sharp phoenix

spark crater
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im coming soon I think

noble mica
bronze rain
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@signal trellis

versed knot
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run it back tonight?

spark crater
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It won't be till after the assaulter course if it happens

versed knot
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course isnt happening

fresh fern
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hosting a game rn

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feel free to join

spark crater
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we need more people first

fresh fern
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we have 3 so far

fresh fern
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4 now

rancid robin
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Looking at starting up a group at 6pm EST, please react to this post, and fill out the sheet with the country you want to take

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@here

spark crater
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how many we gonna get

rancid robin
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Probably not going to run it

fresh fern
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me and my buddy

full musk
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I'm in if we're still playing

spark crater
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I don't think we are

bronze rain
# fresh fern me and my buddy

If you want to play (in the future), you have to fill out the sheet. He only saw two people signed up instead of four.

spark crater
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not enough people

fresh fern
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filling out a sheet for pickup hoi is crazy

bronze rain
versed knot
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im down for it

bronze rain
versed knot
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ran a game today and learned alot

versed knot
rancid robin
sharp phoenix
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Cannot today

noble mica
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i am around now

spark crater
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idk if we have enough people

sharp phoenix
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hmu for some hoi if there's ppl today

fresh fern
spark crater
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same

warped condor
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@here

HOI tonight if anyone's interested.

2030EDT

Option🇦Something collaborative (PvE) to help folks learn the ropes or brush up on new countries

Option🇧Standard PvP full historical majors/minors.

versed knot
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I’ll be home at 2100EDT if I can late join hungary

fresh fern
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warped condor
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restarting my computer, then hosting for those interested

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@noble mica @rancid robin @silver vale @fresh fern ready now - can delay until 9pm if needed

keen edge
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Boooooo I wish I wasn’t traveling. I’ll be back for a game this weekend

warped condor
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versed knot
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How did the rest of the game go

silver vale
warped condor
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nuked egypt, declared war on russia, alt+f4'd

versed knot
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Hellll yeah

sharp phoenix
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😂

rich forum
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Hoi teaser on the official youtube channel in 14 hours

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im willing to bet that its gonna involve germany and the surrounding countries such as austria and Czechoslovakia

warped condor
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All but confirmed. All the HOI4 YTs have been saying Germany/Austria/Czech/Belgium.

rich forum
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they just said on steam that they 'decoded an enigma cypher' and thats whats gonna be shown off today

keen edge
keen edge
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Thought there would be a little more than just that teaser lol

woeful pollen
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yeah that was kind of underwhelming.

stuck bear
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yeah what they showed is what is technically considered the Heisenberg device so my guess is some axis rework and probably a rework on nukes/wonder weapons so late game stuff. either way, i'm not sure how this really changes germany or the gameplay especially since if it is more about these wonder weapons late in the war. No one really gets to that point.

woeful pollen
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Either you have already taken everything or lost lol

stuck bear
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pretty much and i'm not sure anything they can add to the game is going to be better than current mods

sharp phoenix
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Gamin?

somber cradle
keen edge
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Oh?

rancid robin
keen edge
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sharp phoenix
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I'm going to be running some super scientific naval tests today. So if anyone has any fleet comps/design they want to test send them here and we'll see how they perform

keen edge
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Destroyer cruiser meta?
Destroyer: passive sonar, basic 1 light battery, best engine available, 1 AA, 2x of best torpedos and 1 of best depth charges

Heavy Cruiser: 2x best heavy battery, best fire control and engine, 1 AA, 1 catapult spotting plane, and all the rest light cannons

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Big question is what is better to compliment?

Carrier: max hangers with 1 AA

OR

Battleship/Battlecruiser: max fire control, max heavy attack and 1 AA

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@sharp phoenix

sharp phoenix
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As for destroyer basically that, but another cannon instead of extra torpedoes performs best

keen edge
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I mean like the light attack secondary turret

somber cradle
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Hoi4 tonight after op?

somber cradle
fresh fern
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i usually make the shittiest screen ship i put the main armament, sonar, fire control, best engine and thats it

somber cradle
keen edge
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im open to a game

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if we get a big enough lobby

somber cradle
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sound the horn!

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(idk if im allowed to so I dont : P)

keen edge
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@here react here if youre interested in a MP game after the OP

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pick your nations on the doc

azure crow
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or something else

keen edge
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will let the group decide

spark crater
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I vote historical

somber cradle
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indifferent

azure crow
keen edge
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React here 👍 for historical or 👎 for nonhistorical

keen edge
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I cant host though someone else with all DLC will need to

azure crow
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gotcha, I shelled out $14.99 for the 3 month rental on all DLC since we seem to be on a HOI kick

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(it's all gonna be on sale later this month I know, sue me)

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and to be clear I did that like

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two weeks ago

warped condor
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allkeyshop might be able to beat the steam sale price once its live, be sure to check there
comps on current pricing, pre sale:

azure crow
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I'm only missing 2 major expansions, la resistance and by blood alone

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oh and the south america one I think

keen edge
sharp phoenix
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@hereleggo?

spark crater
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give in 10 mins

strong jacinth
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I bought the game as a key, it's not usable. Have to support ticket :D

sharp phoenix
keen edge
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big oof

sharp phoenix
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@azure crow ? hosting?

fresh fern
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yo, me and my buddy both put ourselves at 5s on the sheet can we be on the same team?

keen edge
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sure

sharp phoenix
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@keen edge

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keen edge
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as long as its balanced

fresh fern
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balanced as in no meta strategies?

sharp phoenix
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balanced as in the sheet

warped condor
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sharp phoenix
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skill "balanced"

fresh fern
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gotcha

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well lmk if y’all need any majors and we can join

sharp phoenix
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mere

keen edge
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we do need them

warped condor
strong jacinth
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Ticket ticketed

keen edge
fresh fern
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uk us?

keen edge
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yes

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if youre plauing put your names on the country on the sheet

fresh fern
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is it his

keen edge
keen edge
fresh fern
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is it historical

keen edge
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yes

sharp phoenix
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@fresh fern mere

keen edge
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@fresh fern join vc

fresh fern
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gimme like 10 minutes, i’m on my phone rn but i’ll put my name on the sheet as canada

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5 minutes*

full musk
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@keen edge I’m coming as France

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I’ll put it on the Doc when my computer boots

mortal remnant
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where is the server info

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am I blind

keen edge
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mortal remnant
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what about swapping Italy and Ger

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so the personb who knows how MP works does Ger

fresh fern
versed knot
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Godspeed, all

sharp phoenix
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@clear locust

candid garden
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@clear locust

fresh fern
mortal remnant
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am I gonna have to do US again

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it's just

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so much work

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not that UK is better

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but sigh

fresh fern
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katti i will help you hold cairo

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trust

keen edge
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no pain no gain

mortal remnant
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thank you

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I just like

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I can sink the Japanese again but its just

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sooooooo much micro

warped condor
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eternal pecan
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just got home from work, anyone happen to want a hotjoin coop LULW

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with the express warning that I'm medriocre af

mortal remnant
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RAF stronk

somber cradle
mortal remnant
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@signal trellis if you wanted proof

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signal trellis
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I didn’t. But ok

mortal remnant
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But anyway

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gg's and stuff

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just happy I didnt get bulldozed by tank divs

sharp phoenix
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@fresh fern when 1v1? 😄

fresh fern
sharp phoenix
fresh fern
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im doing a commie china run rn

warped condor
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Torn between wanting to facilitate bets and cringing that "1v1 me bro" didn't die with the Xbox 360

iron quartz
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Facilitate bets

sharp phoenix
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Bets

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Lets us have some competitive fun our way

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@fresh fern do you want to tonight?

fresh fern
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what time

sharp phoenix
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Just getting home now

versed knot
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What’s the odds?

azure crow
iron quartz
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He’ll lose

bronze rain
stuck bear
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I think the only game I could 1v1 someone is in madden. 8 to 9 month deployment of playing madden 2 to 3 hours a day, every day got me pretty good at it lol

strong jacinth
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Same here but with XCOM. I've spent an unholy amount of hours killing aliens in different ways, the multiplayer is stupid easy

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I suck at competitive games in general though :D

azure crow
noble mica
noble mica
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warped condor
iron quartz
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Aeducan

fresh fern
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90199014444120066

hazy creek
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Is it happening???

fresh fern
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join @hazy creek !

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pickup hoi game

hazy creek
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Nah I just want to see the 1:1

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About to head to bed now

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But I was thinking today if there are more EU based folks. Maybe we could make our own game that starts at a more EU friendly time

warped condor
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HOI4 Patch Notes 1.14.6 - Operation Badger:

reorganized from the in-launcher patch notes for my own readability:

General:

  • Increased warscore from sinking ships by 4-5x (this will continue to be iterated upon). Increased warscore from sinking convoys, and decreased convoy build decay rate to warscore.
  • Special Forces Doctrine: special forces cap factor bonuses significantly reduced
  • Reduced Nuclear research bonuses across all focus trees
  • Equipment Variants are now a lot more 'sticky' with their names when you refit them, leading to much fewer instances of '1936 Destroyer Hull Class'.

Generic Focus Tree:

  • Increased army experience gains and normalized army research bonuses
  • Add Truck
  • Fascist branch now provides a total of 3% recruitable population, from 7%, but now also provides 25% mobilization speed and 15% reduced supply penalties on core territory
  • Communist branch now grants 400 weekly manpower (yes this will stack with the military spirit)

**Mini-Feature(s): **

  • Variant version is now separated from name, resulting in an improved dynamic equipment versioning system. (Modding: unique version strings can be provided for ship, armor, and plane equipment on a per-country level.)
  • Civilian Factories can now be assigned to prioritize repairing damaged constructions
  • Captured ships can now be refit through the individual ship design screen. Once redesigned, you will gain a regular design variant to be used as normal. Redesigning this way will no longer cost the original creator the experience price.

Arab Peninsula:

  • Added Rio de Oro (The Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic) and Khuzestan as new cores gained when taking the 'Unite Arabia' decision.

Argentina:

  • Increase research speed bonus for synth rubber granted by Reinforce the Education System to 100%x1 from 50%x1

Australia:

  • Australian Army Catering Corps now grants 3x100% research speed bonuses to logistics company, from 1x300%
  • Airborne defence focus now grants 1x100% research speed bonus for paratroopers, from 1x300%. It also now grants 2x50% cost reductions for special forces doctrine
  • CAC Woomera focus now grants 3x100% research bonuses for specific hulls, from 1x300%
  • Uranium Mining now grants 2x50% research bonuses from whatever it was before, and now grants 2x100% research bonuses for excavation tech
  • Dominate the Skies now grants 4 air bases from 2, and 2 doctrine cost bonuses from 1
  • Rebalanced several focuses in the Australian military branch letting them unlock an additional special forces branch specialism (AAT) quite early and without being a major, and granting a significant number of doctrine cost reductions for the above.

Brazil:

  • Reduced speed for research bonuses granted by Promote Resource Extraction focus to 50%x2 from 75%x2
  • Increases research speed from bonuses granted by Stimulate Civilian Economy to 50%x2 from 40%x2
  • Reduced research speed from bonuses granted by Italian Car Industry to 50%x2 from 75%x2
  • Increased research speed granted by bonuses in Desenvolituddimeot.... that one; to 50%x2 from 40%x2

Baltic Shared:

  • Original designs focus now grants 50% speed bonuses, from 75%

Bulgaria:

  • Uranium Prospecting focus now grants 2x 100% bonuses, from 2x200%
  • Normalized several tech bonuses, overall slightly reducing the efficacy of research benefits

Canada:

  • Normalized several tech bonuses. Canadian Parachute Battalion now grants 2x50% special forces doctrine cost reduction, but reduces paratroopers research bonus to 100% from 300%

  • Changed around the starting navy to be more historically accurate. Also fixed various issues regarding Quebec and their victory points, as well as a typo in their fascist party name.

  • Updated Canadian Air Chiefs

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Chile

  • Reduced research speed bonus from French Academia to 3% from 10% (this is not a subtle comment against French academics)
  • Reduced the amount of political power and war support available across several branches.
  • Rayen Quitral now grants 10% stability from 20%
  • Manuel Manquilef now grants 5% factory output, from 8, and no longer grants ideology drift defense
  • Antonio Neculman now grants 6% research speed, from 15%
  • Manuel Panguilef no longer reduces research speed, however provides 5% war support and stability, from 10%
  • Reduced most sources of attack & core division attack to be in line with similar nations
  • Adjusted most sources of national manpower factor to be more consistent with other nations
  • Reduced bonuses substantially
  • Grand Armada focus no longer grants dockyard output, but has increased dockyard construction speed; rewarding future plans rather than flat improvements. Positioning bonus removed.
  • Patagonian Giants focus no longer grants division attack and defense, but increases breakthrough by 10% from 8%
  • Development Inwards focus no longer reduces military factory construction speed by 25%
  • Via trans radio chilena bonuses halved

Ethiopia:

  • Made the first news event regarding the Italian annexation of Aussa fire only for Ethiopia.
  • Normalized -some- of the research bonuses

Finland:

  • Normalized research speed bonuses

France:

  • Updated the French focus "Avenge Waterloo" to include Luxembourg in it's targets.
  • France can now unlock a special forces branch specialism from their military branch. Military branch has been slightly rearranged.

Greece:

  • Normalized research bonuses

Iceland:

  • Mineral prospecting focus no longer runs a random list to decide which resource you get. You will always get 10 iron and 6 aluminium. Fishing industry spirit now grants -10% convoy cost at both levels.
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Italy:

  • Normalized research bonuses (while a few went up or had charges added, these mostly came down)

Japan:

  • Tweaked some research bonuses (no big changes)

Norway

  • Focuses “Invite Cadillac to Norway” and “Invite Soviet Designers” now grant extra levels to the MIOs unlocked, and the Cadillac focus now only takes 35 days to complete.
  • Now only Germany can trigger civil war by attacking
  • "Approach the Fatherland League" now gives -5% democratic support instead of -10% fascist support.
  • Normalized research bonuses
  • No longer starts a civil war with historical focuses enabled
  • Added unique leader traits to the Norwegian country leaders who did not yet have traits, and added Edvard Christian Danielsen as a new Admiral for the country.
  • Changed the mutual exclusivity of the Nordic formable nations so that the "Kalmar Union" focus can be taken alongside one of the others, and only the "North Sea Empire" and "Nordic Union" are now mutually exclusive.
  • Added an event for the Kingdom of Norway to choose their Stance regarding foreign policy, allowing for different playstyles.
  • Norwegian fascist civil war can now be started when either Germany has declared war or when support for the fascist coup is significant enough. Other fascist powers can no longer be invited to invade.

Poland:

  • Normalized research bonuses

Portugal:

  • Normalized research bonuses. Focus 'POR_tropas_paraquedistas' now grants 2 50% special forces doctrine cost reductions

Romania:

  • Focus 'ROM_expand_the_marine_regiment' now grants 2 50% doctrine cost reductions for special forces doctrine

South Africa:

  • Focus 'SAF_south_african_special_forces' now grants 2x50% cost reductions for special forces doctrine

Sweden:

  • Normalized research bonuses

Soviet Union:

  • Normalized Research bonuses (mostly unchanged, Jet research won't be as fast)

South America Shared:

  • hot and cold acclimatization factor reduced to 15% per focus, from 25%
  • Reduced potential for most direct combat stats from decisions and focuses (attack, defense & org)

United Kingdom:

  • Updated the British Blackshirt March decisions to include Cumbria and the Isle of Man.

END.

rancid robin
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When does this drop?

warped condor
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live as of this morning

warped condor
rancid robin
versed knot
warped condor
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you only "need" them if the host does not have them, or if you would enjoy them in singleplayer.

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otherwise, save the money.

hazy creek
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If you have nothing so far I'd go as far as doing their subscription for a month or two.. a little money to try out all DLCs and then decide

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If you're commited to play this for a looong time, then yeah.. best wait for sales 😅

warped condor
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75 aussie subs, 10k (AI controlled) convoys sunk.

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stuck bear
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did convoy raiding deal blows to war score before? or was it so small that you really didn't notice it

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cause i wonder if you do sink that 10k convoys how that lines up with war score reduction

warped condor
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I think you might have it backwards

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convoy raiding increases your warscore

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so previously it did 1x, now it does 4-5x. (I have no idea what x is, I assume it was fairly small)

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so sinking those 10k subs could/should in theory give Australia (me) a higher warscore. By how much I'm not sure.

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although that being said

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I just checked and my war participation was still zero, despite those 10k convoy kills. maybe its bugged.

stuck bear
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oh i'm thinking about it from a surrender standpoint like it's CK3. yeah in a peace deal war score matters but not in surrend standpoint

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maybe it doesn't until this patch or it is to small. i never really notice it

warped condor
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its tracking the fact that I have killed 153 ships (not convoys), and has assigned a number for convoy raiding, but it might not be enough compared to other war efforts. Hard to say for sure without more testing

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good conclusion is probably - convoy raiding is very important, but not an effective way to secure a piece of the pie at the end of the war.

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ahh it is saying I'm giving 14 to my overlord.

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not sure if thats 14% though

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cause that would be a significant amount

stuck bear
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ah ok yeah it might be that it is so small that, compared to everything else, it's more so a hidden thing than anything or simply doesn't see it relevent. i also only play vanilla with you guys so that could be why i never notice it

keen edge
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The declare war icon is so much better than the pop ups you have to click out

sharp phoenix
stuck bear
ancient burrow
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Game on Saturday?

sharp phoenix
versed knot
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Game tonight?

warped condor
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I'd be down

warped condor
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@here couple of us might start a casual game in a few min here if anyones interested

fresh fern
gray bane
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Mmm, any chance you might play one tomorrow night or day after?

versed knot
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it aint much, but its honest work

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somber cradle
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any hoi4 enjoyers tryna play soon?

warped condor
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@here HOI @ 9EDT?

bronze rain
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Most of us are playing the scrim, I think.

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@warped condor

warped condor
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Ah, looking at that 40 roster now, I see that.

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The venn diagram of toxic comp squad and paradox game masochists is actually a perfect circle, who knew

gray bane
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welp, sad i suppose

strong jacinth
warped condor
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We punish ourselves as we see fit lol

keen edge
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Anyone interested in a game?

warped condor
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@keen edge what time were you thinking? If we start at 8EDT or later I can host - otherwise I'll just join late

keen edge
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Not really sure. Whenever the post people can join

azure crow
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Game soon tm?

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90199175249652766

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PW: blitz

versed knot
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I’ll join in a bit

versed knot
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jumping in

fresh fern
mortal remnant
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@warped condor

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I want you to know

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that I fought and bled

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for the Channel

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Also USN stronk UniFlex

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The IJN has 4 destroyers to its name

warped condor
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the 6 UK servicemembers left alive on the home island thank you

tame flame
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that was a crazy match last night. I thought if I spam AT, ARTY and landforts, i could hold france lmao

ancient burrow
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I fell asleep at my computer and missed out.

versed knot
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ok hear me out - we start a game at a normal hour (not 11pm ET)

woeful pollen
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This is squad ops that isn't allowed!

somber cradle
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if we can start a game before 7pm ET I am totally down to play today

tame flame
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id like to do the allies team up against buff axis again

rich forum
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No screwing up by declaring on allies

tame flame
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we holding baby

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rich forum
tame flame
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its all.......france

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rich forum
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so much for liberation

ancient burrow
# tame flame we holding baby

Until Germany declares war on Switzerland and crosses over the French Alps 😅

Would be interesting to know what you did, I've had a few successful runs trying to hold France but it seems to be a fine balance.

tame flame
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watched a youtube guide

eternal pecan
warped condor
rancid robin
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azure crow
# warped condor

Two romes have fallen. The third still stands. There will be no fourth. No-one shall defeat your Christian Tsar!

warped condor
warped condor
hazy creek
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First attempt at Czechoslovakia.. holding my ground!

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although my trains are gone

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but Germans got busy now as I joined allies when tension finally went up so time to rebuild and potentially even push out

warped condor
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anyone interested in casual game? could do collab, or AHIS on different continents, etc

fresh fern
versed knot
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+1

fresh fern
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@warped condor rn?

warped condor
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@here sorry for the late ping, just checking if anyone else wants to join in before we start

fresh fern
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gimme 2 seconds

woeful sun
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me looking at elden ring and hoi4

eternal pecan
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Any chance of a game after the op tn 👀

versed knot
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Game before the op??

eternal pecan
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Even if we gotta come back to it after

hazy creek
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I'll ask again as I do not think I got an answer.. how many people do we have in EU time? Like playing at 6pm UTC?

eternal pecan
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not in EU time but often free around that time and for at least 3 hours after

hazy creek
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I guess that was a better question to ask. People able/up to playing around EU evening time

versed knot
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@daring condor

silver vale
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casual HOI Saturday? anyone? @here

eternal pecan
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I'll have to find out when we're celebrating my sister's birthday, but assuming it's not at the same time, I'm down

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Wait you mean today

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Man my internal calendar is so fucked I thought it was sunday

hazy creek
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my czechoslovakia game is kinda done 😄

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the only war open RN is with Japan.. And democratic germany broke molotov-ribentrop pact after soviet union capitulated.. so democratic germany is in war with democratic russia

mortal remnant
warped condor
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@keen edge doesnt know this but I was competeting with him on getting HOI4 achievements for like a year lol. For awhile he was getting like 3 a week and kicking my ass. I think we're closer now though

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I'm at 72 now

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keen edge
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Thats awesome lol defiantly more than me now. I should get back into some of them

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Did you get "Snakes on a plane" yet?

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Thats my favorite one

keen edge
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Itching to get another big MP game going soon

eternal pecan
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Played a mp game in the great war redux as Austria Hungary.

We may have lost, but I got to rostov and got to yell nonsensical things about shoigu, so who's the real winner

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azure crow
eternal pecan
woeful sun
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I'm waiting for this damn Germany rework

keen edge
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Any idea when it’s coming out?

stuck bear
warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> anyone interested in a game?

warped condor
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5 people interested so far, starting in ~15 minutes

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mortal remnant
mortal remnant
bronze rain
# mortal remnant

Im not at my pc right now. Is there a Lord of the Rings mod and if so, is it good?

mortal remnant
warped condor
warped condor
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let the docile tones of air raid sirens, genocide and weeping mothers drift you off to sleep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA-iJ7sB7m4&ab_channel=Timeline-WorldHistoryDocumentaries

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00:00:00:00 - The Gathering Storm: Just years after World War I, Germany and other nations are in an economic depression. Leader approval ratings of Germany, Italy, Japan and Spain are shallow, giving the rise to military...

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keen edge
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Shit I saw I just missed a MP game a few days ago. Hopefully everyone wants to play again soon

warped condor
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they were busy fighting off malaria in the jungle when they were meant to be fighting in amber fields of (soon to be catholic) grain

keen edge
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Sounds like an average Hoi4 game

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Anyone down to play tonight?

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<@&984509893920817192>

azure crow
candid garden
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im down

rancid robin
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Sure

candid garden
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~90-120 min from now?

keen edge
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Sweet

keen edge
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<@&984509893920817192>
ID: 90200166561327108
PW ops2024
Mods: Player Led

keen edge
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@warped condor @woeful sun @versed knot @spark crater @somber cradle @quaint igloo

versed knot
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dont have enough time unfortunately

bronze rain
keen edge
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nope

candid garden
keen edge
somber cradle
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crap lol didnt see this

keen edge
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we just started

somber cradle
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eh ill catch another game I am promised else where now, appretiate it though

keen edge
keen edge
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90200167916152836
ops2024

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<@&984509893920817192>

bronze rain
bronze rain
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@misty ibex

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gray bane
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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WTF IS THIS

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@azure crow

mortal remnant
# gray bane

general community agreed requirement is armored divs need more than 30 org to be useful fyi

mortal remnant
gray bane
mortal remnant
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also ur hardness stat is pretty poor

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would recommend not having that much mot artillery

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its ruining ur hardness

gray bane
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I see

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Probably also need better tank designs

gray bane
mortal remnant
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late game if you want, SPAA basically hard counters CAS

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or so I've seen in YouTUbe vids anyway

gray bane
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the more ya know

azure crow
mortal remnant
azure crow
woeful sun
versed knot
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dang i missed a good one - count me in for the next match

eternal pecan
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Same, shame I always seem to be working during them

warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> any interest in a game?

bronze rain
versed knot
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tomorrow for sure

silver vale
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anyone wants to do some hoi4 cluster fuck tonight? <@&984509893920817192>

gray remnant
warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> game starting in 15min for anyone interested. we have ~4 people right now

fresh fern
bronze rain
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@warped condor Are there resources that you use (either created by yourself or third party) for the game, other than the focus tree website? For instance, what is considered the "best" infantry template for each nation is so confusing to me. I have to decide what support equipment to use, the combat width, what units to put in the combat width and (infantry and/or mobile battalions). What is considered good changes based on the nation I play and what I research.

ancient burrow
# bronze rain <@177191894239936512> Are there resources that you use (either created by yourse...

Combat width has changed but I'm pretty sure 10-20 width inf is ideal.

For the rest, look at what capabilities your nation has (recruitable population, industry potential, and resources)

Ideally you play to your strengths.
For example Nationalist China gets nothing but manpower and rifles - so you should focus on making many 10 width (better reinforcement rate) with no support equipment.

eternal pecan
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It's updated semi-regularly after patches, and while they're not the end all be all beat templates, they're more than a good enough baseline

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Also has a link to a similar guide regarding navy designs at the bottom

bronze rain
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My new favorite country and path to go down is Communist U.S.. The only issue is dealing with Canada, aka the UK and the allies whenever I enforce the Monroe doctrine. But I have found it more difficult than it should be to defeat some of the Central American countries and I think the main culprit are the templates I have. Supply is usually good because I make sure there are enough hubs on the states that border Mexico and Panama Canal, but the issue is the more support equipment there is in my templates, the more supply they need and the less likely they will get it. Perhaps a better example is pushing into Canada. Southern Canada is pretty good, but Northern Canada is bare bones and has not railroads or supply hubs.

eternal pecan
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The terrain down there also sucks

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its like 75% forest, jungle, or mountain

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Terrain map.
Legend:
desert = "red background with ⛭"
hills = "cornsilk background with △"
mountain = "light gray background with ▲"
ocean = "blue background with ~"
lakes = "blue background with no symbol"
marsh = "olive background with ⚶"
forest = "spring green background with ♧"
jungle = "yellow green background with ♣"
plains = "orange background with no symbol"
urban = "dark gray background with ⚑"

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So you're dealing with +50-100% movement debuff, 10-25% attack debuf, worse air support, much worse attrition, and slower supply flow

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not even mentioning the rivers

bronze rain
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Was Germany recently nerfed?

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The oil loss for Germany is much more prevalent than when I last played Germany a few months ago (with only 5 tanks and with ships anchored) and they have manpower issues (0 manpower by the time I take France, even with war economy and extensive conscription).

warped condor
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re/ fuel:

  • huge amount of planes?
  • accidentally have some ships on excercising?
  • huge amount of motorized/mechanized?
  • do you still control hannover?

re/ manpower:

  • how large is/was your fieled army? sometimes people go way overboard on the number of divisions theyre trying to field
  • manpower issues could be due to extreme losses? you'd probably notice that though.
bronze rain
# warped condor re/ fuel: - huge amount of planes? - accidentally have some ships on excercising...

  • I was playing Ironman mode, so no save file.

  • I had around 2k planes running, no motor/mech applied, and I did control Hannover.

  • Perhaps it is just because I haven't played Germany in awhile, but I had only 40% war support because losses, being bombed, and losing convoys. I don't remember seeing that and perhaps that added to the oil/manpower issues?

  • I had around 120-140 divisions (5+ armies) i nthe field, with only 2-3 divisions in training.

  • None of my units were training, but all of them were on the Western front fighting the allies. I think I lost around 500k men (80%-90% from Western front) because Italy decided to not enter the war with me, but I had around 700k manpower beforehand.

stuck bear
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It should be in the paradox under my documents. I can see the Ironman saves I've had in hoi4

bronze rain
stuck bear
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Nope. Each campaign is it's separate file

warped condor
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I dont think war support impacts fuel production - so that wouldnt be it. the rest seems fine.
losses dont seem too crazy, but might depend on what year/how early you began the war

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it does save over the file. he'll only have one file for the germany game hes talking about

bronze rain
# stuck bear Nope. Each campaign is it's separate file

Well, right. To be clear, I am not saying I was playing another nation and therefore can't load the save. I am saying that I am around 1942 and most of these issues happened in 1940-41. So you are saying I can still get the file?

stuck bear
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Yeah however if he starts a new campaign, it doesn't Dave over the previous. You will still have a save file for the previous campaign. The autosave will be saved over though

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No in that case you can't.

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I thought you had stopped when you noticed the issue.

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There is a way around it though if you ever have the issues and that is to copy the save filed when you save it and simply save it somewhere else.

gray remnant
bronze rain
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@fresh fern @azure crow ^

eternal pecan
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AFAIK they haven't changed anything with germany in terms of oil production or some sort of fuel usage modifier

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Bored at work with nothing to do so I'm gonna check patch notes rq

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Checked back to the launch of the south America dlc, so December. Only thing that may have had an effect is this from 1.14.2

Limiting some italy ai strategies for only when in faction with germany

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So potentially it could maybe be Italy is less likely to build synthetic refineries or switch to a trade law with a higher export %, but I highly doubt that

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Otherwise, only other thing I can think of is maybe you had a different trade/economy law than previous runs. Anything lower than war economy has a fuel per oil debuff, increasing the lower your economic mobilization is. And obviously the trade laws effect your resources to market, which can reduce how much oil you keep

warped condor
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When I was at the Congrssional Library in DC working on a research project for the House, I found this. Essentially a collection of AARs of every conflict the US had ever participated in. (Volume 1 is 1689-1900) They aren't published anymore so it's been hard to find one in good condition online. Finally did though.

Fully prepared for my 100% historical playthrough now. 1x speed, gratuitous pausing lol.

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versed knot
ancient burrow
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1689 - "Ye Kings men shoteth the nativs many a shot un til thee ceased to hav shot"

bronze rain
woeful pollen
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Very Nice!

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Most have cost a lot.

warped condor
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Not too crazy, was $100 for both volumes and the slide they come in. There are ones closer to $35 I saw on ebay but they were in rough condition.

woeful pollen
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Oh thats not bad

eternal pecan
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Tangentially related, book just came in

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This bitch is thick, 720 pages

warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> gauging interest in start times for a game this weekend:

TONIGHT:
🇦 <t:1722645000:t> <t:1722645000:R>
🇧 <t:1722648600:t> <t:1722648600:R>

TOMORROW:
🇨 <t:1722731400:t> <t:1722731400:R>
🇩 <t:1722735000:t> <t:1722735000:R>

keen edge
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Can’t do tonight. Driving back from a work meeting. But 100% down for tomorrow

woeful pollen
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Reminder we have a server take over at 8:30 PM Tomorrow.

keen edge
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Boooooo

stuck bear
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And then Sunday we also have that scrim during S1 time I believe.

warped condor
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we do lots in this community - cant schedule around it all. choices will have to be made sometimes

warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> GAME SET FOR 🇦 <t:1722645000:t> <t:1722645000:R>

strong jacinth
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Could I get my Hoi4 role removed? I never did get the game :P

bronze rain
strong jacinth
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I have no ability to remove any roles

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I used to be able to

stuck bear
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Yes you do.

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You are staff. You can remove any roles you have

woeful pollen
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Staff can't anymore.

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Or that might be regulars, but either way the role is gone!

stuck bear
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That's kind weird but ok lol. Then yes, @strong jacinth you'll have to ask a manager to do it lol

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It should be for regs. Otherwise I'm not sure how SOTT can get tags for SOTT lol

woeful pollen
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I think it is regs yea.

keen edge
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Staff granting roles was removed. But the Hoi4 tag is one of the self assigned game ones you can give and remove

rich forum
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we should sometime do a moded game

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the unification wars mod was updated 2 weeks ago

rancid robin
silver vale
strong jacinth
versed knot
stuck bear
fresh fern
warped condor
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<@&984509893920817192> playing now, all welcome. current headcount ~8

bronze rain
keen edge
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Damn looks like a great game is going to hope to catch the next one

bronze rain
keen edge
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Non historical?

bronze rain
keen edge
sharp phoenix
warped condor
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@azure crow my Instagram feed being real topical

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gray remnant
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would anyone be able to sit down and help me out with a game as im still new to the game

surreal egret
versed knot
rich forum
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id be down for a game

sharp phoenix
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Game?

keen edge
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game?

gray remnant
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im down after the ftl course

keen edge
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7 PM EST?

gray remnant
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i wont be there as thats 30min after course start

keen edge
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Course starts at 5:30 EST

rancid robin
gray remnant
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course starts at 10.30 gmt which is 6.30 est

keen edge
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No

keen edge
woeful pollen
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Yeah Course is at 5:30 today

gray remnant
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yea im 1 hour off my bad

rich forum
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As long as it doesnt run into the takeover tonight im down

warped condor
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FTL over at 7:30? Takeover at 8:30?

versed knot
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FTL starts at <t:1722720600:T> and takeover starts at <t:1722731400:T>

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im game for after takeover; doing 3/4 rounds tho so I can hot join

keen edge
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3 or 4 rounds is well after midnight lol i wont be starting a HOI game if thats the case

surreal egret
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i wont be able to play hoi tonight, not installed on my laptop and ill be in work

gray bane
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What time is HOI actually starting and what mod(s) are being used?

bronze rain
gray bane
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Ok, still just PLPC

warped condor
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I'd be down for one around 830 for those not interested in the steeldiv takeover @keen edge. (Or could maybe hot join if you guys have one spun up by then)

keen edge
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Any other times than 7:30 est work for yall?

keen edge
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We can back it up to 8:30/9

sharp phoenix
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game?

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@keen edge

keen edge
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<@&984509893920817192> getting sorted now but will have hot join/late join

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90200617352462340
PW: ops2024

azure crow
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should I put my name by a country on the spreadsheet?

keen edge
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yes

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wont be starting for a bit cause a few late joiners

bronze rain
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I’ll be late as well.

rancid robin
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@brazen pivot

keen edge
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@bronze rain @warped condor

Japan and UK are open

warped condor
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I'm at least 30min from being able to join. Will probably just have to play it by ear when I join

keen edge
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<@&984509893920817192> need a UK player to get started

rich forum
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would but server takeover...

sharp phoenix
keen edge
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62/100

surreal egret
sharp phoenix
rich forum
sharp phoenix
keen edge
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sharp phoenix
surreal egret
bronze rain
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They fought with honor @azure crow

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07

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heroes tbh they tied down 20 divs for 2 months

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with only base cavalry

rancid robin
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Just sitting there, trading Romanian trinkets for horse leather

brazen pivot
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<@&984509893920817192>

rich forum
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if you get a good amount of people i may be able to join

summer lynx
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We are many right now

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6

brazen pivot
summer lynx
rich forum
brazen pivot
mortal remnant
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fun fact you can crush UK's logistics by giving them 30% of all American oil

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@brazen pivot @whoever Italy Was

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How was the UK

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Did we put up a fight

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@anyone? cat_sadclown

mortal remnant
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Well if ppl think Katti did a bad job

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Then they can drop my rating to 2

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Or 1 I guess UniCry

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For the record I never pause micro’d

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I went to the restroom

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And checked on my cooking

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That was it

summer lynx
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@mortal remnant you did good, I've not played HOI 4 major ever, 2nd time. And don't know the mechanics too well when it comes to units. Africa was a flop as I was telling my guys I have nobody there as I'm busy with Greece but they kept egging me on to join Axis so moment we lost Africa, moment Italy was GG from the weak belly

gray bane
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I missed another one :(

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Next time

summer lynx
warped condor
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cool scenario mod - Operation: Overlord:

Scenario: Overlord
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How to participate in Ops HOI4 Events:

  1. Go to the Squad Ops HOI4 Sheet and fill out your rank, based on your own opinion of how good of a player you are. This is for balancing reasons only:

  2. Download the "Player-Led Peace Conference" Mod

  3. If a game will be starting soon or has been planned, go to the above sheet and find the "Sign Ups" tab, and input your name into the country of your choice.

  4. The Server ID and Password will be given out by the in-game Host.

  5. For new or veteran players, here is a good resource for what path to take for your countries Focus Tree in a historical manner. It is updated periodically.

  6. How to play HOI4 (Paradox guide)

Quick Note: HOI4 and its DLC go on sale constantly, and can often be found for dirt cheap through 3rd party key sites. Also, please know that if you dont intend on playing single player, you dont need any DLC. If the host of a MP game has the DLC, it is made available to all participants.

warped condor
summer lynx
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Anyone want to do a game just to learn a bit more in-depth with supplies and navy? I got all DLCs Shruge

keen edge
# summer lynx Anyone want to do a game just to learn a bit more in-depth with supplies and nav...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbQdcwBp1I&ab_channel=FeedbackIRL

YouTube
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ULTIMATE Guide for Ship Designs in HOI4 | Navy guide part 2

In this FeedbackIRL video, we dive deep into the world of naval warfare in Hearts of Iron 4, exploring the ideal ship compositions and designs that will give you the edge in battle. Whether you're a seasoned commander or a new player looking to master the seas, this guide covers everything you need to know about building a powerful navy. From th...

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Feedback makes a 3 part series on running navies. Gives a good description on the basics. Not 100% agreed of his ship designs, but it gets the point across of having intention behind each ship design and the role it should fill. Wont be around today but maybe this weekend!

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Again, @warped condor and I had this discussion too. Depends what nation you are. Being a minor, Subs are most optimal unless youll have the capabilities/resources to support building a large navy and getting a lot of dockyards quick via focus or civs if you are only doing a navy

This guide is more geared towards most majors (including Sweden)

ancient burrow
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I wouldnt mind playing.

sharp phoenix
fresh fern
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game?

azure crow
# fresh fern game?

Today there might be time for a quick one starting at <t:1723249800:f> but in more practical terms starting at <t:1723309200:f> tomorrow might work better.

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oh there's a scrim tonight, never mind lol

ancient burrow
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Im up for a game S1 time Saturday.

azure crow
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<@&984509893920817192> game tomorrow starting at starting at <t:1723309200:f>?

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(realistically we'll probably actually begin 30 minutes after that)

rich forum
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i possibly can we will see

keen edge
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Could probs do like 3 or 4. 1 would be tough for me

hazy creek
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Ohh that is a good EU time 👍👍👍

cyan creek
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Hmm..... that time works 💪

azure crow
hexed hare
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If i play i dont wanna be canada again :/

ancient burrow
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the perfect AFK nation though

hexed hare
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If it wasn't for Katti's navy last game, I wouldn't have been able to take Palermo

azure crow
jolly hare
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I have my partner over tmw

candid garden
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could do 1 tn but will be out early afternoon tmrw

mortal remnant
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I had plans but I can barely walk at this point

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so

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yeah

hazy creek
summer lynx
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@azure crow maybe like 2-3h in the game do a quick 10-15min pause for everyone to grab some snacks and food? Since its early for you guys and just about dinner time for EUs

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NEED TO STAY REHYDRATED

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And also my 70 year old father is living with me so need to help him with his meds etc

azure crow
rich forum
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What would everyone think about poland joining the axis?

azure crow
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<@&984509893920817192> game soon ™️ (be in community game in 48 minutes)

mortal remnant
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Do we have a sign up sheet

hexed hare
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It's your guys' lucky day (I will be at the barber's)

azure crow
azure crow
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despite the existence of the signup sheet, we always waste at least half an hour actually hashing out who will play what when everyone shows up

mortal remnant
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I’d be willing to do a co op US

azure crow
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<@&984509893920817192> starting now

brazen pivot
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@warped condor

azure crow
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@signal trellis Wanna join and also @cyan creek @fresh fern come on over

sharp phoenix
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@sturdy cave

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@peak current

brazen pivot
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@hexed hare

sharp phoenix
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@somber cradle

azure crow
sharp phoenix
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@keen edge

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@keen edge

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@woeful sun

brazen pivot
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@ancient ether

sharp phoenix
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@rancid robin

summer lynx
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@ancient ether

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@haughty glade

brazen pivot
sharp phoenix
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@jolly hare bring the other

summer lynx
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@cyan creek

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@here

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@gentle oyster

azure crow
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90200825582656542

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pw: ops1936

sharp phoenix
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@haughty glade

haughty glade
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yes will join soon

gentle oyster
summer lynx
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Thats fine, have a laptop @gentle oyster

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Its slow anyways

sharp phoenix
ancient burrow
hazy creek
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That looks like a nice grass field. It would be a shame if a german tank ruined it

haughty glade
sharp phoenix
gentle oyster
gray remnant
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joining will be in vc soon

sharp phoenix
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@gray remnant

bronze rain
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What year are you all in game? @azure crow

woeful pollen
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They just started a little bit ago

sharp phoenix
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9hr game inc

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1/2 speed whole wayu

sharp phoenix
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jan

azure crow
azure crow
sharp phoenix
gray bane
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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sharp phoenix
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These are all "space marines"

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@mortal remnant

hazy creek
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if you do armoured recon does that also count? 🤔 or not because it's light tank

mortal remnant
sharp phoenix
sharp phoenix
mortal remnant
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You act like I play MP lol

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I make historical units because I find it interesting

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Mr. Engine IV rush w/ max cannon ii

sharp phoenix
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Ok, but there's like 2 rules that are actually set in this community, and it's no space marines and historical focuses

mortal remnant
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shrug if ya dont want me to play in Ops HOI I don't have to

sharp phoenix
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And no deleting encircled divisions or about to be encircled divisions SHOULD be a rule

sharp phoenix
hazy creek
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I read the space marine templates are quite nerfed since the 'partial piercing' was introduced?

mortal remnant
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frankly the diference between 40w tank divs and "space marines" is just IC

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and I was floating around 6k tanks as is

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Aeudacun trash talking and whining like he's playing against a full allied team of skill 5

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When literally none of us play MP and most barely can play SP

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if he wants to meta game and play by pub HOI MP rules he can go......... play pub HOI ShrugYui

sharp phoenix
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Just. Don't cheat?

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Then don't get mad?

hazy creek
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I literally had to disband my full spec ops volunteer group as I didn't know you can't cancel it 😄

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and needed to re-deploy elsewhere

mortal remnant
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and oddball presumably after he lost Africa

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cus you didnt help him build logi to put an actual army south of ethiopia

sharp phoenix
sharp phoenix
mortal remnant
azure crow
mortal remnant
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and ethiopia would have held cus it's like 80% mountain

mortal remnant
sharp phoenix
mortal remnant
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Like, Im not a comp MP player

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I had cannon IIs and I had Engine IV already

sharp phoenix
mortal remnant
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But US doesn't start using 20mm on things until like black widow and later Hellcat variants

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and for land based light aviation, it was still using M3s for ages

gray bane