#Left handed Wooting Two HE

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short thunder
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My dream : the same mouse space as a 60%, but with all the keys of a 100%
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The industry has not explored this option enough
Discover the southpaw ! pikaWhoa
All the mouse space of a 60% keyboard with none of the missing keys nekoparty
Plus ! You get the arrow keys closer to WASD making them easier to use in gaming STONK

BONUS : it could be built very easily on a Wooting Two HE. You would only need a new PCB and top-plate pokiYay

Southpaw, because you should not have to compromise

image from there https://keyboardtreehouse.com/products/ae-x-impulse-boards-kangaroo

azure kiln
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Southpaw keyboard would require making two keyboards

short thunder
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it would require a second full size pcb and a second full size top plastique plate yes
it's said in my message

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I don't see how it is a problem tho
we already have a 100%, a 80% a 60% and a 60% v2 so making new keyboard or keyboard variations definitely isn't something forbidden

knotty field
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It seems as if the Two HE isn‘t selling that great already, I doubt if they aren’t enthusiastic about a refresh already, that they‘ll want to make two versions

short thunder
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yeah but one of the main reason "100% keyboard" don't sell well with a gamer audience is the space it steals from the mouse space
with this layout it doesn't steal mouse space anymore bigsmile

azure kiln
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@short thunder so southpaw is basicly in same position as split keyboard or ergonomic keyboard

short thunder
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not realy no 2bthink

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southpaw is just a normal layout but mirrored to free up 15 cm of space on the right
split keyboard don't split in the same spot at all and "forces" you to keep each half next to each other, so no additionnal mouse space

azure kiln
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@short thunder i meant there is little or no market to worth a risk pouring few milions of €

short thunder
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it's the same mouse space as a 60%, but with all the keys of a 100%
that's not at all comparable to the niche split keyboard cater to

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it's a "normal" keyboard, just mirrored and mirrored around a natural separation of "classic" keyboard
so no long adaptation time like with split keyboard (split keyboard that do split in a completely arbitrary place which means you lose all your muscle memory)

azure kiln
short thunder
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Because people don't see the potential
it's the same mouse space as a 60%, but with all the keys of a 100%

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Split is a niche because it's expensive and hard to adapt to
Southpaw would be pretty much the same cost as standard and extremely eazy to adapt to

azure kiln
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@short thunder yeah. But it require completly diffrent pcb design etc making it cost a lot and not worth for small amount of users

short thunder
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No it won't cost that much, otherwise wooting wouldn't have 100, 80 and two 60
And it won't be a small amount of user with the right marketing

azure kiln
latent oxide
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an 80HE or 60HEV2 along with a standalone "Wootpad" (nonexisting wooting numpad) would be a southpaw solution th ough

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and be far more widely adoptable than a left handed 100% layout

short thunder
short thunder
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either of those is a compromise
a southpaw does not compromise anything

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it would be better than nothing, but not the best solution imo

latent oxide
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You're probably the only person in existence that's going to want a high-performing HE left-handed numpad 100% monolithic board thoughj.

It'd be a total one-off board and case.

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A stand-alone numpad though, there's 300+ folks that are asking for that.

short thunder
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because they did not think it through
or because they have a 60% or a 80% and want to just buy what's missing

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why would I be the only one on earth to want a keyboard that does it all ?
instead of doing what many people do, so having 2 keyboard (1 for gaming and 1 for work) or a keyboard + a numpad

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imo, people have looked at the problem the wrong way
they chopped off part of the keyboard and now want to buy the missing part and have it be it's own separate thing
there was no need to chop the keyboard in the first place
just moving things was the easier thing to do

short thunder
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The industry has not explored this option enough
Discover the southpaw ! pikaWhoa
All the mouse space of a 60% keyboard with none of the missing keys nekoparty
Plus ! You get the arrow keys closer to WASD making them easier to use in gaming STONK

BONUS : it could be built very easily on a Wooting Two HE. You would only need a new PCB and top-plate pokiYay

Southpaw, because you should not have to compromise

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languid birch
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this all assumes people cant just move their keyboard or make more space to the right of it

short thunder
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moving your keyboard further left puts you in a less comfortable position for your shoulder 👎

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and all these keyboards can be moved to the left, it's a constant across the board
which mean it does not change anything about the southpaw naturally giving you more mouse space

short thunder
# short thunder **The industry has not explored this option enough** Discover the southpaw ! <:p...

feedback made so far

  • "Southpaw keyboard would require making two keyboards"

  • "risk pouring few milions of €"

  • "It'd be a total one-off board and case."

    • wrong : only a new PCB and top plate for the Wooting Two HE is needed which makes the southpaw very easy and cheap to add to the wooting catalog as a variation of the Wooting Two HE or as an upgrade kit for it

  • "southpaw is basically in same position as split keyboard or ergonomic keyboard"

    • wrong : ergonomic and split keyboard have weird shapes that require some time to get used to. Southpaw require little to no adaptation time

  • "Southpaw is a niche"

    • if by niche we're speaking of "option that pretty much nobody wants" it's not possible to affirm that. Because most people don't even know it is an option, meaning it's not possible to judge the popularity of this option. I spoke about that to more than 30 people and none of them knew it existed

  • "people can just move their keyboard"

    • moving your keyboard further left puts you in a less comfortable position for your shoulder. And all these keyboards can be moved to the left, it's a constant across the board. Which mean it does not change anything about the southpaw naturally giving you more mouse space
knotty field
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"only new PCB and top plate" is a funny joke

short thunder
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your ignorance about product life cycle and development is showing
the wooting two HE is assembly from those part, it's easy to take apart, it's literally how people mod it
and talking from experience with industry people, making a new pcb is extremely fast when you're starting from something that exist

languid birch
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in this case prob not

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theres so many advances we made to how we design pcbs that this isnt a "just" but a normal new product basically

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not to mention we have evidentally gone away from the type of construction used in the w1 and w2

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id think if we ever revisited the w1 or w2 layouts we would remake them in the same style as our new boards with a module where pcb and topplate are 1 unit

azure kiln
languid birch
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we always try to have as little skus as possible

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we also try to optimize items being not stuck in the warehouse if possible

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hence we dont offer iso boards with different skus and keycaps preinstalled

azure kiln
languid birch
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basically

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we would definitely do it if we see a continued demand for it

carmine cliff
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I think left side space is still important, even though right side is more important (for mouse). I switched to 60% for this reason.

But I will say, the vertical/space above keyboard is the least utilized right now and the least valuable of the 3 sides. Which is why you could make a 70-75% keyboard (function row) with 60% mouse space. There isn't a demand for this per se, but you can easily create the demand. All those 80HE users would love it and get the best of both worlds.

cunning fog
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i think an 80+numpad is good

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short thunder
cunning fog