Wooting 80 HE Arrow Keys

[gritty prawn]

They didnt update Pictures

They moved arrows to right

[bleak moat]

Yes, they moved it to the right, but not moved accordingly down. There's no gap between "Left Arrow" key and "Shift" like there's one between "Up Arrow" key and "Shift. The second picture, that I've made, is what I'm talking about

[gritty prawn]

There is gap

[bleak moat]

This part?

[gritty prawn]

Yes, otherwise keyboard wouldnt be symetric

[bleak moat]

Isn't this what 80 HE looks like?

Currently the 80 HE looks like this picture ^, what I'm talking about is making the gap between these arrow keys and other buttons equal like this picture:

[gritty prawn]

Thats old 80he

[bleak moat]

Do you have updated model?

Because I haven't seen a single model, neither in reviews or pictures that has the gap between "Left arrow" key and "Shift" key

[gritty prawn]

Updated model is only model

[bleak moat]

I think you may not understand what I'm talking about 😁

This is the model, that's released:

[bleak moat]

This was the gap they added, but that's the gap between "Shift" and "Upper arrow". There's no gap between "Shift" key and "Left arrow"

[gritty prawn]

Yeah I know why

Because there wasnt space

[bleak moat]

Well if they made the case by a couple milimeters bigger in height, there could have been space. Or atleast made the same space at the bottom of case as there's on top, that is empty, it also could have been space. That's why I'm talking about the update, when they make 80 HE v2. They could improve the alignment

[gritty prawn]

It would require re designing everything

[bleak moat]

80 HE v2 would still require redesign as it wouldn't be the same PCB possibly

Also since they moved the arrow keys to the right already (which also required redesign, because the first concept was without the gap), I bet there's not a lot of redesigning too.

[gritty prawn]

They moved it because current pcb allowed them to do it

[bleak moat]

Okay, but then 80 HE v2 will most likely be new PCB, since what would be the point for v2 if PCB is the same

[gritty prawn]

There wouldnt be 80he v2

[bleak moat]

Well 80 HE+ (they mentioned it would be 80 HE+ instead of v2) in one of the streams. That would still most likely be new PCB

[gritty prawn]

Who said that and when? Because i never heard it

[bleak moat]

Calder in this stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAsPilehC6A
Someone asked him if there'll be 80 HE v2, he mentioned it would more likely be called 80 HE+ instead of v2

[gritty prawn]

Clip it

[bleak moat]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxLwkslDIA0a8XOmpty4WH_UT4cpqCSDJA?feature=shared

[gritty prawn]

You know whats diffrence between 60he and 60he+?

[bleak moat]

Yes, that's screw in stabilizers

But that also requires new PCB

[gritty prawn]

It didnt require new pcb..

They used same pcb design with bigger holes

So 80he+ would be one with new paint that dosent get destroyed from sweat

[bleak moat]

That's not what makes 80HE+, because that's the case and not the PCB

[brazen talon]

and why the hell do we need new pcb

when you're using the keyboard, you're not gonna look 24/7 at it

and if it bothers u, why don't u get true tkl from other brands

[bleak moat]

Case is separate from PCB and the paint finish change doesn't tell that's gonna make 80 HE+. It would be 80 HE++ if it was in this way, because case was already updated (white zync)

[brazen talon]

80he layout is controversial, but they made it for a reason

and they won't change any blueprint from current batch

that's just a waste of money for a small stupid thing

if the split spacebar got a lot of recognition and a lot of people want it, then it will be the 80he+

they won't change stuff that is good already for the usage

changing case mold is not cheap

[gritty prawn]

Then it would be 80he v2

[brazen talon]

either the name are

even 7u is impossible for now

niche layout for most people

[gritty prawn]

New keycap mold are atleast 100k €

[brazen talon]

idk

[gritty prawn]

Thats what erik said

[brazen talon]

what i know, changing a case mold will cost a lot of money which is useless for now

[bleak moat]

Well I've got 75% that I use currently, I just want to move to Wooting, because of the software and other mentionable things that Wooting does - and I like. But They most likely won't do 75% (well atleast what everyone is talking) and the only acceptable keyboard right now is 80 HE that has F row and arrow keys. But it just gives that "trigger" feeling when things are not there where it could have been

[gritty prawn]

@bleak moat you can always make your own case if u dont like it

[brazen talon]

venom has a good software

[bleak moat]

Case wouldn't solve the issue, because the PCB is already made with no gap

[brazen talon]

if u want true tkl

80he design is not for everyone

but it will grow on u

[bleak moat]

75% layout would be the best one if tbh, but they are against it for some reason.

[brazen talon]

because they're planning to have a fricking knob

[bleak moat]

But then what makes 75% keyboard incompatible with their knob?

[brazen talon]

u followed wooting's stream and still can't understand the reason of 80he layout?

[bleak moat]

They have 2 types of knobs

[brazen talon]

check the 4u

[gritty prawn]

Because founders do not like 75%

[brazen talon]

they want to make something new, and NOT EVERYONE loves 1u knobs

4u makes it look better for some reason

[bleak moat]

Yet again 4U knob is just for 80 HE and I don't believe anyone will put 4 U knob on other keyboards like 60 HE, 60 HE v2. So 1 U is more universal

[gritty prawn]

And 75% looks bad

[brazen talon]

2he

[brazen talon]

thank you for listening to my heart

i love jakubix rn

[bleak moat]

60 HE and 80 HE has more users than 2 HE, because it's outdated

[brazen talon]

but still a lot of people using it

please bro, don't think everyone is u

and knobs are made for productivity which is what 2he and 80he layout made for

that's it,
thank you and have a nice day

[bleak moat]

Wooting was not popular until 60 HE, and when 80 HE came out, probably less people even considered 2 HE

[brazen talon]

@gritty prawn

bro just came out from a cave

[bleak moat]

Interesting how the community works, I came here with suggestion and question, couple of minutes you come up with "came out from a cave". Mental bro, mental

[gritty prawn]

@brazen talon your little bit too far

[brazen talon]

suggestion & questions?
more like spitting wrong things..
i told u already about the reason and u still can't accept the fact...

• u say 2he outdated

i feel sad,
my heart breaks to pieces rn

when 2he & 60he v1 has the exact same specs

[gritty prawn]

Because it is outdated

[brazen talon]

that means 60he v1 is outdated?

[gritty prawn]

Twohe

[brazen talon]

2 he has the exact same spec as 60he

[bleak moat]

Do you even know when 2 HE was released?

[brazen talon]

i know and they made an update with arm mcu

i was there looking at their web & vid

[bleak moat]

You are the type of guy, that would probably say iPhone 12 is also not outdated, because it looks the same as 16

[brazen talon]

i knew wooting since the wooting one (which is outdated because of the switches)

[brazen talon]

if 2he is outdated, that means 60he v1 is outdated right (since they have the exact same spec only different layout)...
if so, then 60he v1 is bad?

so people who purchase / use the 60he v1 = made the wrong decision?

[bleak moat]

If 60 HE wouldn't be outdated, it wouldn't need v2

[brazen talon]

u can't even notice the difference between 1k & 8k

even the wooting team said that...
1-2ms won't give u a huge advantage

[bleak moat]

They didn't, they bought 60 HE when there was no v2. What would make you buy 60 HE right now when you know there's v2 coming out?

[brazen talon]

because of the price difference

[bleak moat]

That's exactly why you would buy iPhone 12 and not 16, the only reason is price difference

[brazen talon]

60he v2 (module) would likely cost the same as 80he module..
and 60he v2 (prebuilt) would likely cost $240+

[bleak moat]

But does that make iPhone 12 not outdated? No, it is outdated, just that it's cheaper option for you

[brazen talon]

bro is always comparing the "paper spec"

and not real time usage

good for you,
and have a great time using 75% / 80he bro

[bleak moat]

Well then answer me. If we talk about outdated products. You already mentioned that only the price difference would make you choose 60 HE instead of 60 HE v2. Then the same applies if you choose iPhone 12 or iPhone 16. If you choose older model that's cheaper, that doesn't instantly make it NOT outdated right?

[brazen talon]

i take back my words about the cave thing and i'm sorry about that..
and have a nice day

[brazen talon]

outdated = left out from updates even new features

and as far as I can tell, 2he & 60he (arm mcu) still gets new updates even knob support

[brazen talon]

read this

[bleak moat]

Appearently you give better answer than Google Gemini right? 😄

[brazen talon]

i will not answer anything since i answered ur "main question"

apparently u have to accept the fact that wooting won't change the case molding since it cost a lot of money

and the reason for the 80he layout because of the 4u knob (which was late) and mini tkl size (which calder trying to achieve)

[bleak moat]

Also quick glance back, even Calder told, 2HE is hella outdated, himself

[brazen talon]

so u should also learn "outdated" as in the tech world...

as far as my experience working in the tech industry,
outdated = not getting new support or features / being stopped from production wise.

[brazen talon]

most likely he said about the old 2he

the non arm, since it wasn't the arm mcu.

outdated (made from 2018 maybe), but use wise it's not outdated until this day

[bleak moat]

Why would anyone talk about older model of 2 HE keyboard when talking about future upgrades 😄

[brazen talon]

and if it's outdated, they shouldn't have kept the production

[bleak moat]

He even mentioned the next full keyboard won't even continue from 2 HE, it will be new full size keyboard

[brazen talon]

yeah, that's what wooting tryin to achieve

new keyboard (same layout) but huge differences

wooting one to 80he (layout changed)

wooting 2 to upcoming full size

[brazen talon]

and as far as i see,
two he was a huge news for gamers out there

and it wasn't "not famous", especially for dota player or such

maybe next 60he, becoming 65% since a lot of cases are on production (future updates)

[bleak moat]

Well, I won't try to explain to you, let the CEO explain what I was talking about:https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxlEws3LLqOdMS0dh5xUuOuHJHzS5CxO9Z?feature=shared

[bleak moat]

That's about Two HE btw

[brazen talon]

Of course the demand is not high rn, there is 80he (which can change the usage of full size)

especially with mod tap, dks, and such

[bleak moat]

Well the fact is 2HE is "Super outdated"

[brazen talon]

again?

i'm stopping the conversation about "outdated"

since i stand on my words about "outdated" in the tech industry and showed the reasons why it's not outdated with ur perspective since a lot of people still need numpad and such.

Once again,
outdated = no more support and new features (that is available in the newer products)

[bleak moat]

Well. Let's just stop the off-topic conversation here, just because you clearly don't know what word "Outdated" means. It's just pointless to talk about something with a guy that is technology wise living 5 years back and still probably gonna say iPhone 12 is still not outdated, because there are lots of manufacturers still making case for it 😄

[brazen talon]

bro keeps comparing phones and keyboard

have a nice day

[bleak moat]

What makes phones, keyboards, mouses and other stuff technology wise different? Is outdated phone not the same as outdated keyboard or outdated mouse or whatever?

Outdated != Outdated? 😄 You hear that?

[brazen talon]

just do as ur wish bro,
i have other important things rather than explaining how u said "outdated" the wrong way

u're not gonna buy the 2he as well, focus on ur 80he

stop typing and continue ur irl

have a lovely day

[bleak moat]

I also have no point explaining what "Outdated" really means to a guy that probably doesn't know RTX 2060 is not the latest card 😂

[brazen talon]

u're comparing a tech which lacks 3-4 generation

[bleak moat]

Babay

[brazen talon]

while 2he lacks one generation

what a smart comparison

the best comparison is iphone 15 and 16
or
rtx 4090 and 5090

[bleak moat]

Go around the town in your brand new 2001 audi while listening music through soundcloud, chill a bit and come back for a nice convo when you understand what you are talking about 😄

[brazen talon]

u should do that

[bleak moat]

🙂

[brazen talon]

comparing iphone 12 to 16 = wooting one to 80he

lovely bluffs

[bleak moat]

Guy living in 90s where technology changed every 5 years compared to novadays

[brazen talon]

@bleak moat let me know the difference between 2 he and 80he other than the polling rate (which means latency test), switches, case, and layout

[bleak moat]

@brazen talon Oh, look who's back. Surprised that Discord actually works on your 3310

[brazen talon]

wow the disrespectful

lovely

[brazen talon]

let me know

[bleak moat]

They always say: Treat others, how you would like to be treated. So I hope you like that

[brazen talon]

if u can that means = u can prove the outdated wise

[brazen talon]

yeah, cave boy

[bleak moat]

I already gave you the facts, no need to buttery butter the butter

[brazen talon]

now tell me what makes two he outdated

i want to know from ur perspective

that makes 60he v1 and 2he outdated

[bleak moat]

You act here smarter than Gemini, so sorry, but I can't compete with superhuman being that's smarter than AI

[brazen talon]

u can't answer it, because there is no huge difference other than polling rate

smart brain

and u said 1k vs 8k = outdated?
when u can't even tell the difference

[bleak moat]

Yeah, sorry, I can't answer it, because simply you don't know what "Outdated" means. In your "Outdated" world they do not. Have a nice day. Btw maybe you have one 3310 to sell? I thought it was outdated, but I see even discord works on it

[brazen talon]

wow,
u can't even compare it properly

[bleak moat]

Actually. I want to thank you man

[brazen talon]

because u're stubborn...
every time i'm explaining, u can't even accept the fact

all u see is the 8k vs 1k as ur main argument

[bleak moat]

I was actually upset that tomorrow is Monday, and you actually made my day, now it's even better when I think

[bleak moat]

Let's not talk about the fact that I explained you 9 things and you still live 5 years behind to understand

[brazen talon]

wow

[bleak moat]

Just go away from the topic, thank you

[brazen talon]

my bad bro,
for ruining ur cave day

[bleak moat]

You ain't the one I'm interested to listen to, because I'm not an IT teacher, you have to pay for it

[brazen talon]

wow,
the master of everything..
even better than God

[bleak moat]

I would love to give you some lessons as my part time job, but I feel like explaining my grandmother how to use touch screen instead of buttons

[brazen talon]

can't even argue properly, shows that u're a kid

that can't even explain ur own words

[bleak moat]

Defo, sorry I'm 9 years old. Does that make you feel better?

[brazen talon]

no problemo,
enjoy ur day

[bleak moat]

So glad that in 2025 people are so kind that I heard 10 times "enjoy ur day" and it is not enough

[bleak moat]

I just now noticed you actually created Discord account on 2025, Jun 17. Did Skype got outdated?

[brazen talon]

not skype,
but facebook 😦

[bleak moat]

Damn, must be sad

[brazen talon]

don't u know, facebook was a huge thing?

[bleak moat]

Facebook still exists?

[brazen talon]

before facebook it was yahoo

[bleak moat]

Damn, I thought Explorer doesn't support that

[brazen talon]

sorry kid, grandpa is so sleepy

[bleak moat]

Okay, then keep your keyboard silent 🙂

[flat finch]

<@&1098943457654997093> just read this thread and it’s like 5 messages of feedback and the rest are just bickering