Not to-spec 🍒

[crimson rapids]

The 2U stabilizer positions on the 60 and 80HE are out of spec by 0.1mm. The mistake came from taking Cherry’s metric datasheet at face value (someone at Cherry was asleep during the imperial-to-metric conversion).

“0.1mm is basically nothing so it doesn’t matter.” Yes, it fucking does!

• The distance between the centers of a 2U keycap’s poles is usually 24mm.
• The “to-spec” distance between the centers of a 2U stabilizer’s stems is 23.876mm.
• The distance between the centers of a 2U stabilizer’s stems that Woot uses (thanks to Cherry’s bad data) is 23.8mm.
  Meaning that in a perfect world, the stabilizers are already “stretched” by 0.2mm, and we absolutely do not live in a perfect world.

There have been numerous unresolved stabilizer binding issues with the 60HE, all involving tighter stabilizers (like TX APs [both PCB and plate mounted] and Staebies). This is something the out-of-spec stabilizer positions have contributed to, for sure.

In this hobby, somehow everything ends up out of spec; switches, stabilizers, plates, PCBs, and the distances between them. Designing to spec should not be this difficult. When you come across conflicting numbers, you shouldn’t just disregard one and move on, you research until you understand exactly why the numbers conflict. If you never came across any conflicting numbers, you used the first result that popped up on Google.

Designing a plate to spec should never result in misalignment, but it so often does.

[crimson rapids]

Who handles design at Woot?

[summer drift]

Umm i think kang, jeoren?

Basic people that work in taiwan

Though 60he position is definetly on jeoren

[crimson rapids]

They read feedback?

[summer drift]

Do you think i know?

[crimson rapids]

All their boards aren’t to spec, they can fix it with the 60HE v2

[summer drift]

Wait...

[crimson rapids]

Why wouldn’t you?

https://tenor.com/view/stalking-spying-peaking-peak-hiding-gif-14341063

[summer drift]

I only know what wooting employee do

wait.. it wouldnt be jeoren i think because he was making software

Erik was making designs

[crimson rapids]

Erik

noob designers

[summer drift]

And calder was number nerd

Well ping erik

Or raquel

So she can pass it

[crimson rapids]

@odd silo can you pass it on? surely still in time for the 60HE v2, surelyyy??

[summer drift]

They propably copied stab holes from 60he into 80he

[crimson rapids]

yeah

[summer drift]

Without checking

[crimson rapids]

it’s mostly on cherry

but also a bit on woot. the correct spec isn’t hard to find 😭

[summer drift]

Isint cherry German?

[crimson rapids]

more american than german

didn’t know that either

[summer drift]

@crimson rapids well I think they would realized by now

They have like 70 employees

[summer drift]

@crimson rapids she saw

[crimson rapids]

someone specifically designing keyboards would notice it but you don’t need to be a keyboard designer to design keyboards

[odd silo]

dont worry, I shared it internally for all the designers and non designers to see

[cedar cave]

no this channel is purely for people to shout into the void (this message is sarcasm we do read everything in here)

[crimson rapids]

@summer drift is this wooting employee playing games and using sarcasm sarcastically? I need an expert on this.