#Where is TKL Version

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subtle hare
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I don't understand how a company like Wooting wants to conquer everything but doesn’t offer a complete product lineup.

So far, you have the 60HE, which corresponds to a 60% layout. That’s fine for those who like it — but I don’t. You have to use the FN key so often that it’s no fun to use for everyday tasks.

Then there’s the 80HE, which doesn’t follow a standard layout but is shifted around. Many people don’t like it when keys are moved from where they expect them to be, and touch-typing is nearly impossible because it’s not standard.

Now, finally, there’s a 100% layout — but still no TKL version.

I ask myself: why?
Why don’t you make a proper TKL version? But it has to be a real TKL, not like the 80HE with its non-standard, shifted layout. A true TKL should allow users to switch keyboards without issues and continue touch-typing without retraining.

And don’t tell me “but the 80HE is available” — no, the 80HE is not a standard layout and cannot replace a real TKL.

lone copper
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Named Wooting One, but its outdated as of right now

subtle hare
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We need HE TKL 🙂

lone copper
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im gonna disagree with this anyway soo shrug

subtle hare
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That's totally fine to disagree — everyone has different preferences.

But from a usability and ergonomics standpoint, there’s clearly a demand for a standard TKL Hall Effect keyboard.

The Wooting One was great back then, but it's not based on the Hall Effect switches and doesn’t offer the analog features that make Wooting unique today. That’s why I (and many others) are specifically asking for an HE version of a true TKL layout — not 60%, not 80HE, and not full-size.

Some users prefer a compact form factor, but without sacrificing key placement or touch-typing habits. A standard TKL strikes that perfect balance — and it’s still one of the most widely used layouts for a reason.

So it’s not about disagreeing or personal taste — it’s about offering choice to users who want analog features without compromising on layout familiarity.

solid onyx
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I don’t think there is a demand to have home, end and scroll lock keys, so you create a whole new keyboard with 3 more keys and a little bit more space to the arrows keys.

subtle hare
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It’s not just about 3 missing keys — it’s about layout consistency.
80HE isn't a true TKL and breaks standard muscle memory.
There’s definitely demand for a proper HE TKL with standard key spacing.

dapper flint
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It was stated in the past, that "the 80HE is our take on the TKL". I wouldn't bet on getting a "full" TKL anytime soon

subtle hare
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That’s a mistake in my opinion.
The 80HE may be Wooting’s version of TKL, but it’s not a real TKL

solid onyx
subtle hare
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I don’t just use my keyboard for gaming — I also write a lot.

solid onyx
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Other than that it’s quite standard, I never look at the keyboard and after I got the 80HE (coming from a TKL), didn’t even notice the difference.

Only on the F12, I was hitting the mode change

solid onyx
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^ I actually bought it 3 weeks ago and I type 6h+ a day.

subtle hare
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Why should I deviate from the standard? It’s about the norm — but I feel like you don’t understand that because you’re not from Germany. ISO layouts, etc.

And what happens when you have to use a different keyboard at work, or after six months you get a keyboard from another manufacturer?

solid onyx
subtle hare
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That doesn’t really matter — the question is why isn’t it being made?
If Wooting doesn’t offer a proper HE TKL, I’ll simply buy from another manufacturer.
It doesn’t have to be Wooting.

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If they don’t want our money, no problem — other mothers have beautiful daughters too 🙂

solid onyx
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As for the different keyboards, I use ANSI keyboards at home, at work, different sizes and never had any issue because they are all ANSI. I only struggle if I use an ISO, keyboard size doesn’t matter.

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But anyway, chances of getting a TKL keyboard are almost zero.

Even if they release a new 80HEv2 or whatever, it will probably keep the same configuration because otherwise it will deprecate all accessories that currently exist for it, which would make it way less appealing for users to upgrade.

subtle hare
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It’s really disappointing when a company doesn’t listen to its customers and thinks they know better.
When customers ask for something, the goal should be to keep those customers or attract new ones.

And what’s wrong with a proper TKL?
I keep hearing that many people return the 60HE and order the 80HE instead — but the 80HE isn’t the perfect keyboard either.

I’m 100% sure that many would prefer a true TKL over the 80HE, but they have no choice because there is no Hall Effect TKL layout available (yet)

solid onyx
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Also, again, “proper TKL” doesn’t exist, it’s not a standard. It just means it doesn’t have a numpad.

It would be more correct to call it “80%”.

subtle hare
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Just make HE TKL i will preorder 🙂

solid onyx
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It’s not 80% like the ones companies like Razer, Steelseries, etc do, it’s 77.5% but it is TKL.

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Anyway, this discussion is pointless.

It won’t happen for at least 3+ years or ever, so I advise you to purchase “the TKL you like” from another company if that is a dealbreaker.

lone copper
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its not that big of a deal tbh

indigo grail
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@subtle hare do you use keys above arrows to write?

subtle hare
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Wooting doesn’t seem to accept constructive criticism.
Just take the Wooting Two HE and remove the numpad – is it really that hard?

misty flint