Wooting Actuation and Rapid Trigger

[honest raptor]

Sorry if this message has been said 100x but when Wooting announced the v2 of the 60he, I was excited don't get me wrong but I was expecting a lower actuation point and particularly a lower rapid trigger than 0.1mm, is this something we could see in the future? I was one of the first to get my hands on the Wooting 60he as soon as i heard about it, and I love it but now competitors are coming out with faster keyboards, your software is unmatched tho!

[languid pebble]

Lower number than 0.1mm is useless

[dusk beacon]

You’re venturing into the world of placebo

Competitors are coming out with faster keyboards which aren’t actually competing because of the fact you won’t notice and difference

If you wanted to placebo max should’ve gotten a venom

[honest raptor]

idc about lower than 0.1mm actuation I just want lower than 0.1mm rapid trigger

[dusk beacon]

youre probably not gonna notice the difference between 0.15mm rapid trigger and 0.1

theyre probably gonna implement it in the future but correct me if im wrong ibelieve thats a firmware update

but again yourenot likely to notice it at ALL

[honest raptor]

so lets say in valorant, will it get any more responsive for your movement? cause the only reason i want it is cause i want something more responsive, particularly when letting go of a key aka stopping faster @dusk beacon

[tame helm]

i would say the difference is so tiny.

[dusk beacon]

No you’re not gonna notice 0.05mm in your rt

[daring knoll]

When Woot can do it stably, they will. Also, nobody in the thread knows what they’re talking about. According to this highly respected professor, the decrease in latency from 0.1mm to 0.01mm is larger than that of True 8KHz:

[dusk beacon]

i meant that as in the difference between 0.15 and 0.1 wont have a large noticable difference likem oving from wooting to venom wont have a big difference but yeah, Wooting will implement it in the future

[thick wadi]

Is funny, since most boards that have this "capability" also recommend using 0.1mm

[thick wadi]

I mean they're both not noticeable just read the bottom part of that screenshot

[dusk beacon]

imho anything within 2ms of latency is placebo

[honest raptor]

ok then i guess im gonna edit what i asked by saying, when is wooting going to reveal a step up in responsiveness from their keyboards? in actuation and rapid trigger. I was expecting the v2 60he to be more responsive but there was no mention? im particuarly intrested in its use in valorant

[dusk beacon]

It is technically more responsive then the 60+

Why do you want it to be responsive? Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe any updates to responsiveness will be through a firmware update anyways. But that milisecond difference isent why you’re losing fights

Either way like aligner said it will be released when it’s ready. If you want software that is “better” but plays like its never been tested Wooting is not the brand for you

[honest raptor]

I just want to stop quicker lol when I let go of my movement keys and its not about winning more fights, im not blaming wooting for losing my fights, I just want a more responsive experience, well actually I was filled with false hope there WAS a more responsive experience out there when I heard about the V2 but was sad @dusk beacon

[dusk beacon]

Again it is faster

[honest raptor]

with the 8k polling rate yeah but in my (non expert) eyes what mattered to me was rapid trigger and actuation points getting lower @dusk beacon

[dusk beacon]

Again, it will be released through firmware when it is ready to play and not in a unplayable state like other companies

I’m pretty sure it’s firmware and not pcb someone correct me if I’m wrong

[honest raptor]

so lower rt and actuation might be coming?

[dusk beacon]

Probably not for a year or two

And again, trust me it’s placebo

Much like 8khz polling on mice

[honest raptor]

what would make a more responsive experience?

[dusk beacon]

?

[honest raptor]

in a tac fps like valorant

[dusk beacon]

Hooking up wires to your brain

Having them convert the counter strafe thought before you think it

Make a macro for strafing perfectly

[honest raptor]

LMAO i mean in a keyboard if its placebo going lower than it already is, then whats the next step to get a more responsive experience?

[dusk beacon]

I mean for now you could try different pcbs like venom, I wouldn’t since you won’t notice the switch but that’s an option

You could use lighter springs for in theory having it actuate with less force?

Idk if that’s how that works though

It’s technically faster I believe, again I could be wrong

[plush cliff]

He wants to stop faster, so he needs heavier

[dusk beacon]

Oh if you want to stop faster the. Heavier is better

The switch will come up faster and actuate rt faster I think

I could just be lying though can someone fact check me

[honest raptor]

right because stopping faster and actuating the key faster are not the same, hmmm wow didnt think of that

[daring knoll]

yeah, only in some specific scenarios it can matter. it affects end to end latency obviously and more importantly; the delay difference between your keyboard and mouse. it doesn’t really matter how much that delay is as long as they’re the same, then it won’t be noticeable.

[daring knoll]

not noticeable I agree with, for the most part. not so much with “useless” though. minimizing latency is a beautiful thing and I don’t believe we’re at a point where improving it is redundant just yet.

[daring knoll]

sub ms between mouse and keyboard and 3ms or so end to end, I agree.

[final lion]

Did you hear Calder's rant on the stream today?

[daring knoll]

ofc

all chinese reviewers are lying and no boards can do 0.01mm stably.

😃👍

[spring quail]

IMHO I think at this point, it's the user that IS the bottleneck. No one will notice a difference between 0.1 and 0.01 no matter how young/fast/pro you are

[dusk beacon]

I agree. As I mentioned before, if you want the “latest greatest and fastest” Wooting is simply not the brand for you. They release products that feel and play like they were actually used, and to innovate instead of being cash grabs like other companies. I seriously suggest the OP to buy one of those Chinese boards which have “0.05mm RT” instead of a Wooting and you can see for yourself.

I can assure you that that Wooting will release those features in the future though, when they are stable and ready to be used, and if through a firmware update update it will do that no matter what board you bought.

[tame helm]

i can say wooting is a product which is good enough when u realize 0.05mm rt or 10000k scanrate isnt noticeable. wooting has fullfilled my 99.99% expectation on a good gaming keyboard which has good diy option, good feeling on type, good web driver, good community to communicate with other users and wooting team and good performance in game.

[daring knoll]

The stock switches and firmware, not the user. By that reasoning, 8KHz shouldn’t have been added because it’s unnoticeable anyway. 🤷‍♂️

[daring knoll]

There’s no room for good enough with innovation.

https://tenor.com/view/worry-froge-froge-frog-frog-meme-concerned-froge-gif-11682222603679007150

[spring quail]

Which is true. Event wooting admits that 8KHz is more of a placebo than anything. on recent hardware that just makes the keyboard more 'precise', in the sense that it lifts/raises mcu constrains

Eventually, it will be the firmware ( as in onboard software) that makes or breaks the product

[daring knoll]

8KHz shouldn’t have been added in your opinion?

😭

[spring quail]

Don't actually care. If the excuse of the 8KHz allows for a revision with a more powerful MCU i'm fine with that, as long as 'legacy' products continue receiving support

[dusk beacon]

I feel like 8khz was added just because the 80 has it so people won’t feel like they need the 80 for the fastest inputs