Wooting 80he is good js needs a macro software

[visual slate]

Everything about this keyboard is good I'm still learning some new things but we genuinely need macro software inside of the wootility cuz I don't see nobody use wootomation and I don't have windows or Linux or a laptop at all rn

[visual slate]

Also forgot to mention most keyboard competitors have this so I think it would be a pretty good idea if you do the same thing

[lucid moat]

#💬│general message

[harsh halo]

Indeed this is entirely on purpose. Hardware based macros are far too often abused in games, causing drama and bans. We prefer a software based solution, which lets games who want to block it, block it upfront.

[celest crow]

SOCD 🙉
DKS 🙈
Advanced Keys as a whole 🙊

[harsh halo]

All of which are severely limited in scope and not capable of what is generally considering cheating and bannable offenses in games - or is entirely detectable, due to their fully static patterns.

Unlike some Chinese manufacturers who seem to have started experimenting with random micro delays to intentionally bypass SOCD checks for example.

[celest crow]

A single button with two or more functions aren’t allowed in nearly every competitive game I know. Rappy Snappy is on the verge of undetectable (sure the benefit is very minimal but still against the rules of a few - many).

That argument for macros doesn’t hold up and honestly, it never has. DKS is against the rules in the game it was showcased in (fortnite).

SOCD hasn’t been removed after it was banned, same with RS.

Cheating isn’t a concern (to a degree) and it shouldn’t be.

Triggered a rant, I’m sorry. (I can’t fucking stand the hypocrisy (imo) though).

[harsh halo]

I don't agree with those points, but don't let me stop you.

[lucid moat]

The discussion isn't black and white, give me a moment and I think I can link you a part from when Simon explains it on a livestream

[celest crow]

I’ve been following it brother.

[lucid moat]

If you saw this whole livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhSaWmyM750 then you know (and I don't have to search for a timestamp)

[celest crow]

Yeah

[lucid moat]

Here we go https://youtu.be/NhSaWmyM750?t=4208

[celest crow]

I was even ranting in chat lol

[lucid moat]

If you still feel like it's hypocrisy that's fine, but I don't think it is

[celest crow]

Simon’s take isn’t particularly. The argument of macros can cause cheating is.

That’s what I have a problem with and a bit sick of seeing it still used.

If they truly were on the highhorse this whole time, they would’ve removed SOCD (for example) the moment it was widely not “okay” anymore.

[lucid moat]

Wooting doesn't want the keyboards/Wootility being blocked by anti-cheat

[lucid moat]

But have competitors done that?

It's one thing to implement a new thing, than removing something

[celest crow]

Most keyboards pros used before Wooting all had on board macros. It’s not an argument, you know?

[celest crow]

Woot pointed their finger to razer saying this is cheating (which I completely agreed with), then they implemented it as well (sure, I can understand that if it’s allowed). Then valve banned it, same with val. Now, how can you say SOCD and RS can’t be used to cheat?

Doesn’t make any sense. I think Woot is overestimating the usefulness of macros in competitive games.

DKS is 30x more powerful, same with RS because the delays between inputs are dynamic and thus nearly impossible to detect.

(I’ve used DKS since the moment I got my 60HE, in games where it isn’t really allowed).

[rocky obsidian]

where is

[lucid moat]

Possibly playing it safer since games are banning analog input keyboards (Trackmania)? Just to be clear, I'm not arguing against having macros in Wootility, but I get their point

[celest crow]

I get their point of it being a lot of effort to implement and very few actually make use of macros in a day to day basis.

[celest crow]

Fn, R6

mainly

[visual slate]

That's fair and all but can't it just be like the rappy snappy situation and js have it banned in some games with detection?

I play games where macro is allowed and I don't often need macros unless it's for the games I'm allow to have them in + they can js be a optional thing to have and have it like the rappy snappy situation

[visual slate]

How does DKS work?

The macros I use are E for s2q and R for s3q and C for s1q and V for s4q

Also wootomation is very useless tbh I never heard one good thing about wootomation besides it being there and it's also complicated too + having it for windows and Linux is kinda useless since people on those compatible devices would go ahead use a macro software instead

[harsh halo]

That is exactly what we aim to do with Wootility/Wootomation longterm.

Macro software running as a background service, making it easy for games to block it or not as they see fit.

[visual slate]

So then you could have it detectable js like how rappy snappy would be detectable, basically you can use it but beware of the rules on how it's not allowed

I wouldn't see anything wrong with having a built in macro system on keyboard besides literally bypassing the games system for it to work around

I hope something like that can happen because that would really be great and would already give an competitive advantage against most HE kbs that have macros built in but it's slower

[harsh halo]

Macros are typing keys in a recorded sequence. We're working to do this in SOFTWARE, not HARDWARE.

Because unlike SOCD - which has entirely set in stone behaviour, you could record any kind of macro, and not get detected in hardware.

[celest crow]

Rappy Snappy is pretty much impossible to detect, same with DKS. Snappy Tappy (SOCD) is detectable however. I’m not sure how often games block macro programs/how easy that is but for tournaments it’d be a bit easier perhaps.

Again, I don’t think any tournaments in the last decade had a macro scandal, at least none that I know of.

[violet field]

came looking to see how the macro thing were doing, and that video is at the very least infuriating. Why on earth is he gatekeeping a feature and dictamines how people should use it. Specially when every other keyboard has it.

[visual slate]

"Well cuz it's cheating cheating bruh!11!1!1"

[violet field]

there is not a single keyboard blocked by an anticheat for having macros. hell even logitech keyboards and mouse have LUA macros that people used to remove the recoil from cs and no one has done anything ever

[violet field]

people also buy wooting because wootility and nothing on the background, start adding services and bullshit installations and you are throwing out all the good faith on that front.

and still, makes no sense when every keyboard out there has macros forever, and no one said anything about it. Even logitech who sponsors almost every proplayer, that kind of answer is a total nonsense, but the same as the last 3 years trying to not offer it while everyone else does, and the same that will be in 3 years when wooting still wont offer it and people just move away

[harsh halo]

These are all entirely optional.

[violet field]

you mean the macros are optional, or in the future will be optional to have macros using the installed software or the keyboard and the user chooses, ? I don't understand what is optional.

[fresh nova]

it will be optional to install the background service, but you will be missing out on features if you don't do it