Any plans to make a keyboard with a total travel of 2~mm instead of 4? 4 feels so wobbly/clunky

[tiny quiver]

Why do we need 4? 😐

Any plans to make a keyboard with a total travel of 2~mm instead of 4? 4 feels so wobbly/clunky

[graceful ore]

4 is the default mechanical switch travel

[ornate nebula]

correct me if I'm wrong all this would require is a special kind of switch that bottoms out at 2mm

but that would also require to make a new switch

sooooooooooooooo if there's a demand ig?

[modern anchor]

so… low profile wooting?

[sterile quartz]

low profile wooting would be fire

[deep orbit]

Analog/gamepad and DKS. If you want less travel for the sake of less travel, travel limiters already exist. You can alter your switches’ travel distance to anything you desire.

[tiny quiver]

does that answer the question? I know it's the default. why though?

[tiny quiver]

do you have any links to that? 😮

[deep orbit]

I’d assume for comfort and usability. For HE specifically, it’s much easier to press a full range switch to 2mm than it is to press a 2mm range switch to 1mm. The bigger the range, the more accurate you can press the key if that makes sense. This is only if you use analog/gamepad and/or DKS though.

[deep orbit]

Yeah, read the last part of this message: #1310353739076603975 message

[graceful ore]

because cherry mx beame a standard mechanical switch and thus 4mm travel is the default mechabical switch distance

[tiny quiver]

but why does that automatically mean you have to use 4mm in the future?

[tiny quiver]

thanks but idk why, o-rings don't do anything on my keyboard

I bought some but it doesn't shorten the travel distance at all

I bought 1.5mm or 2mm o-rings and tried to put them on, nothing happened lol

[graceful ore]

it fit for our usecase due to 2mm being horrible for analog control

[deep orbit]

You’re using them correctly right? On the underside of the keycap around the pole? If so, you can stack a couple.

O-Rings and travel limiters/washers aren’t the same, just so you know. Travel limiters sit in the switch and can be of different materials which have different properties. A silicone travel limiter would result in a quieter sound for example.

[tiny quiver]

true, but 4mm is horrible for typing and general competitive games due to how wobbly these are

[tiny quiver]

I don't know. I put them around the underside of the keycap yes but no dice

it just puts the actual button higher, it does nothing to limit the travel time

travel distance, rather

[deep orbit]

Like this?

[graceful ore]

idk imo 4mm is way better for typing. i hate typing on short travel switches.

[deep orbit]

Lekker V1s very wobbly, Lekker V2s less so and other 3rd party switches even less so (TTC KoMs, Raw HEs or Jade Pros for example).

[deep orbit]

It’s personal preference, yeah. Neither is worse or better.

[graceful ore]

but yeah if anyone invests into short travel HE switches they should work with our keyboards as well

[tiny quiver]

yep

[deep orbit]

What do you mean by “it just puts the bottom higher”?

If you add another O-Rings, would that help?

If the bottom out is higher, the total travel is less, which is your goal right?

[tiny quiver]

the actual button gets lifted up. the travel distance remains the same

[deep orbit]

Oh, I see what you mean. Press a little harder on the keycap so it’s seated properly on the stem.

You don’t want a small gap in between the keycap pole and switch stem if that makes sense?

[tiny quiver]

see the red line and how big the height difference is? it does nothing for travel distance

doesn't matter how hard I press it down

[deep orbit]

😄 yeah, your keycap isn’t supposed to sit any higher. If pressing hard doesn’t help, the O-Ring might be too thick.

Are you using regular M2 O-Rings? With a thickness of 0.5mm or so?

[tiny quiver]

these are the ones I'm using

they were the only ones I could find on the entire internet that wasn't out of stock with 2mm

it's just a nightmare. I wish wooting could at least provide 90a hardness o-rings that fit @graceful ore

30-50a etc (the most common ones) are too mushy and soft

[deep orbit]

4.5x2 🫣

[deep orbit]

You can find thinner ones easily on AliExpress but I would recommend washers or travel limiters (if you’re from Asia) instead.

Soft O-Rings can limit the travel only by so much.

[tiny quiver]

easily? not with 80+ hardness

are you able to find? I'm in europe btw

[deep orbit]

Something like this: https://a.aliexpress.com/_Ex4Wwpw you’d only use the 4x1 ones though.

0.5mm would be better but 1mm is fine too.

You can stack 0.5mm O-Rings to get a reduction of 1.5mm, that won’t be the case with 1mm ones.

Do you want a high hardness so it’ll feel more stiff?

[tiny quiver]

yes sir. that's why I want 80a hardness rating. those ones aren't even specified so I assume they are soft-ish

80a or higher

[deep orbit]

70° assuming they use the standard measurement for hardness.

I’m not sure if ° and a can be used interchangeably or if it was a mistake.

Which switches do you use?

[tiny quiver]

jades. what about you?

[tiny quiver]

yeah I don't know what it means either

[deep orbit]

Jades are perfect for washers! I’ve linked the washers below, if you’re willing to try it. A switch opener is needed of course. The 0.5mm ones will reduce the travel in increments of 0.5mm and the 1mm ones in increments of 1mm. The Jades have a travel of 3.3mm so you can stack three 0.5mm washers to get a travel of 1.8mm or two to get a travel of 2.3mm. Whichever you like best. https://a.aliexpress.com/_EJwrB60

They are “soft” but way harder than O-Rings if you’re wondering.

Hard nylon washers exist as well but they’ll be a pain to take out if/when you want to remove them.

[tiny quiver]

switch opener? why do I need that? wasn't the problem with mine that they are too thick?

[deep orbit]

To open the switches and insert the washers/travel limiters.

Washers/travel limiters don’t function the same as O-Rings. One sits inside the switch to limit the travel and the other is wrapped around the keycap pole to limit the travel. In the picture you can see where washers/travel limiters go.

So O-Rings sit between the keycap and top housing of a switch while washers/travel limiters sit between the stem and bottom housing of a switch.

[tiny quiver]

damn man. thanks a lot for your effort to help me with my problem. how big of a headache is this to do though?

[deep orbit]

It’s easy and quick. You open a switch > take out the stem > put the washer in > put the stem back and close the switch. That’s it.

I’d recommend trying a few switches to see which travel distance you like best and then do all of them.

Do you have a switch opener and puller already?