#Continuous Rapid Trigger ON = Decreased Responsiveness (Up To The Travel Time of 0.24mm From 0mm)

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violet summit
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Continuous Rapid Trigger can cause different functionality even at an Actuation Point of 0.1mm

The entire key being released would be 0mm. My actuation point is 0.1mm. If my key is at 2mm, RT needs me to release 0.15mm to have the key not be active. If press it again from 1mm, the key needs to be pressed 0.15mm for the key to activate..

CRT Option States:
When enabled, Rapid Trigger ends when the entire key is released (assuming 0mm). When disabled, Rapid Trigger ends at the actuation point (assuming 0.1mm). Enable this if you wish to continuously spam a key without worrying about the actuation point. By default this is disabled.

How is are they the same if the values are different?

If I press a key down to 2mm, and lift it by 0.15mm (~1.85mm). Rapid Trigger will deactivate that key. If the key, while rising, is then pressed again at anywhere between 0.01mm-0.09mm, CRT ENABLED states that rapid trigger ends when the entire key is released. Since it is not fully released, rapid trigger is still enabled. If you press down to activate it, you need to press it down to by 0.15mm due to the RT sensitivity. If CRT is disabled, rapid trigger would end at the actuation point, meaning the key is released. If the key is from 0.01mm-0.09mm, it would already be deactivated, so if I press it down, the key would start instantly at 0.01mm.

This implies that if CRT is ENABLED, from 0.01mm to 0.09mm RT is still ON. So you would need to then press your key at least 0.15mm to get it to be active.
If CRT is DISABLED, from 0.01mm to 0.09mm RT is OFF. So you would need to press your key at most 0.1mm and at best 0.01mm.
This means that comparatively in this instance, the difference between these settings could be anywhere from

In this scenario where the key may be pressed from 0.01-0.09mm...

CRT OFF would be beneficial in that you'd only need to move the key to 0.1mm which could be as far as 0.09mm and as close as 0.1mm
CRT ON would be detrimental in that you will always need to press the key AT LEAST 0.15mm downwards for actuation.

In the worst case scenario, the responsiveness would feel like the difference between using a 0.01mm actuation keyboard versus 0.15mm. If you add 0.09mm to both sides for scale, it would feel like 0.1mm from rest versus 0.24mm from rest.

woven crane
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you made this whole post based on an assumption that the reset point is 0.0 and not 0.1

dry shore
woven crane
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it probably resets at 0.1 since that's the shallowest actuation point the keyboard has

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e.g. past that = reset

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yeah agree it's pointless since fractions of mm don't really make a difference in feel or use

dry shore
woven crane
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it can detect smaller for sure but it's just a deadzone til .1 to cover for manufacturing tolerances and stuff

dry shore
woven crane
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my guess is all actuation logic is built on that deadzone being effectively 0

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but I guess until a dev answers we'll never know for sure

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going to sleep, see ya frens

violet summit
dry shore
violet summit
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Multiuple people said Fully released = Zero.

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Pls no gaslight.

woven crane
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I think you're also applying mathematical logic to language here

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anything anyone said or didn't say can be interpreted however the recipient wants

dry shore
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just like this entire post, that is an assumption. unless a dev specifically states that is the case then its all speculation. as felmi said its more likely that anything below 0.1mm is thrown out and counted as a released key.

woven crane
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does 0 mean off the switch entirely or 0 from the perspective of the switch (in the case that the deadzone is 0)?

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in one case the switch's real world position is 0 and in the other it's .1, but which one is 0

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anyway I sleep now

violet summit
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Pce.

dry shore
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using the new actuation tester in wootility v5 it looks like the lowest actuation detected in firmware is 0.08mm

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but the problem is that 0.08 will likely never be detected in regular use since the switch rebounds so fast

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with a little more testing it seems like even with CRT, rapid trigger ends at 0.1mm. but its so hard to tell as again, we're talking about fractions of a mm here.

violet summit
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It's about the statements being true. Either .1mm for AP, .15mm RT-Sens, and CRT functions differently if "fully released" is 0mm.
Or the numbers are not accurate, and CRT's "Fully released" is not 0mm.

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Which would make CRT On/Off function the same.

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You can't have it both ways.

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Yeah these fractions feel like shit lol

hollow pilot
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i can definitely feel a diffeeence when playing geometry dash abd its my main game, will do more testing tho

violet summit
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Any updates?

woven crane
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they rarely respond here btw

craggy warren
violet summit
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No rush on any solution or problem solving. I just want to be sure that this is properly evaluated/considered.

craggy warren
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Nope

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They don't vanish

violet summit
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Oh okay, thanks. Sorry.