volume knob for 80he

[low prism]

Hi, just want to ask, will a version of the 80he with a volume knob be considered. I feel like keychron Q1 with their volume knobs in their 75/80% layout is so aesthetic and functional, wondering if wooting will consider adding it to their 80he

[prime prairie]

It is one of the projects that they are working on

it is likely going to be an additional item that you can use with any keyboard

[low prism]

oh do you have any links/idea how it might look like?

[prime prairie]

nah

its just words by some staff

[low prism]

i see all right thanks 😄 I'm planning to get my own 80he in the next few days (waiting for my friend to confirm if he wants to get it together to save on shipping) , just got me some gateron jade pros, can't wait! But thanks for the reply

nice to know that a seperate volume control dial might come out, i might buy it as a standalone in future then 😄

[prime prairie]

[drifting osprey]

Tbh i thought it was a logical move to have their light bar also be a touch sensitive volume control. I guess they’ll save that feature for future releases

[vocal hull]

The cheap Montech tkl kb for 80$ has a volume knob that can do 3 things. Volume, RGB, and zoom. I need a dedicated volume button. When in game, it helps me deal with background media like YouTube. My not so good apex 5 had a volume wheel with mute function + a button under to stop/play. You don't know how handy it is until you switch to a kb that has nothing.

My ducky one 2 mini has macro, OK. But you have to press Fn + alt + one of the 6 volume and playback keys. Thsts not good. A simple volume knob or a scroll/press wheel + Button.

[low prism]

haha totally get it guys... currently im using a keyboard without a volume dial at the moment though so i haven't felt the 'loss of that dial' yet, so i'd think i won't be missing that feature too much, but i do agree it would be a great QOL feature and something i would love for the board to have 🙂 sadly it doesnt at the moment!

[dapper yarrow]

does that mean you can just socket it in a KS-20 switch socket?

[prime prairie]

that would make the most sense

not sure tho, nthing confirmed

[dapper yarrow]

That would be the ultimate knob

nothing could really compete with that

i will keep my eyes peeled

[broken relic]

it's really easy to do. it's like putting a magnet under a bottle cap, you rotate the cap and the magnet change height, it can be translated to higher or lower volume, i don't know yet how to keep the "cap" moving when it ends the run, but i don't think it's hard to find a way, probably it's already been invented

[serene spruce]

🗣️
(untamed’s design and render)

[dapper yarrow]

that is sick

[drifting osprey]

That’s a pretty sick render

[dapper yarrow]

wooting should hire this guy

[dapper yarrow]

i think this would only work as a dial though and not as a knob because the further you twist it the further down or up it goes and it can only go up and down 4mm total.

[serene spruce]

They might have

[serene spruce]

Yeah, that’s a plus for me tbh

[dapper yarrow]

wait what about hotswap knobs and dials

knobs for infinite rotation and dials for a limited 360° per 4mm disance

knobs may be a little more complex to make though

[serene spruce]

This design specifically is great because it can be used in any switch location and would be compatible with all Wooting’s HE boards whereas a regular knob would require a different PCB.

[dapper yarrow]

yeah so i dont think a normal knob will be possible, they would have to make it a dial, 360° per 4mm

[tidal lichen]

I hope they make an infinite rotation knob that can be plugged into any switch socket. That would be an awesome addition to HE keyboards.

[serene spruce]

It could perhaps be possible but would be very complicated and probably fragile.

[dapper yarrow]

yeah, the dial would probably be the best method, which basically fits in like a switch

[lament python]

The volume dial implemented in a pre-existing switch slot may be sub optimal based on the reliable travel sensitivity values known so far.
Volume = 100 steps
Knob in switch slot = 40steps (4mm max travel w 0.1mm sensitivity)
Hence would not get fine volume adjustment based on this

[serene spruce]

I don’t think that’ll be an issue. The board is capable of more steps per 4mm/a higher resolution overall. Especially for a knob that doesn’t actuate as quickly as regular switches I think increasing the resolution for knobs specifically will be possible.

Jades for example have 40 steps with a travel of 3.3mm. There are other boards as well with a much much higher resolution.

[broken relic]

you just need to find a mechanism that stop going down if you keep rotating the knob, it probably already exists in a mechanic engineering book

[serene spruce]

untamed’s design includes that, those little pins follow the “guide” and the guide stops.

Now if those pins are durable is a different question. 😅

[dapper yarrow]

im curious if these HE sensors are just limited to 40 steps or its just the software that is limiting the capability of the hardware

[serene spruce]

Not limited to 40 steps at all. The problem is that the steps have to be completely distinguishable from each other. Stem wobble is a limiting factor, for example: If stem wobble were to cause fluctuations of +/- 0.1mm, then steps of 0.1mm would cause major inconsistencies, unintended actuations/releases. The SayoDevice (a HE gamepad) and other HE boards have around 400 steps (even with switches that have quite a bit of wobble). I’m not exactly sure what the other factors are, probably noise/interference but I’d think Woot could tackle those issues.

[dapper yarrow]

dang thats crazy

[prime prairie]

wanted to but forgot to send this a few days ago

[vast stump]

the he sensors are analog. most of the time the keyboard deal with 250 or more steps but break it down into 40 sections of keytravel