brittle fable
Greetings! Have you and your coworkers ever thought about making a low latency one handed joystick controller like the first picture with programmable buttons like on the new scuf envision for people who would rather use that instead of a keyboard for gaming? (Not exactly like so, but more comfortable and ambidextrous)
coarse ice
Wtf is that??? Last time I saw something similar was the joycon for the Wii. Real question, how many people use something like that? Because it's the first time seeing something like that
cerulean valley
I think it is a Wii joycon xD
coarse ice
I think it is a Wii joycon xD
Now that you say that, I didn't really look at it but it is a black joycon indeed, it was amazing to use in games adapted to it for the he console made to be used like that, but it must be horrible to use anywhere else if it usable on windows xD the PC won't understand what this controler/mouse is 😂
brittle fable
Now that you say that, I didn't really look at it but it is a black joycon indee...
Not if you’re able to set up the controller buttons for the game(s) you are trying to play.
The idea behind it, is due to the fact that on most FPS games you have to use WASD to move your character, you have less fingers to be able to work with, as I personally believe movement is as important as aiming. Say there is 2 different bumpers instead of 1 just in case, one button on each side for ambidextrous usage like on the scuf controller and 2 ones below the joycon where you put your ring and pinky fingers, you have the options to do many things while not having to get your thumb off the stick.
brittle fable
The idea behind it, is due to the fact that on most FPS games you have to use WA...
That is the one true advantage console gamers have over PC gamers, in my opinion.
If Wooting brings it into the PC gaming world (Oh, and with Aim Assist if Console gamers are able to have it, but that’s besides the point), then they could make a revolution in gaming, as it’s an innovative idea that has never been thought of before.
I’m talking 8khz, rapid response like with the rapid trigger feature, rappy snappy etc.
coarse ice
Rapid trigger and happy snappy will just not be able to exist on a joystick
Would like to try it out to see
brittle fable
Rapid trigger and happy snappy will just not be able to exist on a joystick
Well, not exactly these. I meant for the joystick and buttons of course.
coarse ice
If something similar exists, but there will be like 10 players in the world playing like that if it comes out I think, it's only my opinion, but I cannot know the answer since it's not really known
coarse ice
Well, not exactly these. I meant for the joystick and buttons of course.
I'm so dumb, of course, already forgot the buttons 😅😂
brittle fable
If something similar exists, but there will be like 10 players in the world play...
Who knows? The idea behind it is what would make players using a keyboard adapt to change.
brittle fable
I'm so dumb, of course, already forgot the buttons 😅😂
Being able to control the responsiveness of the joystick as well could be possible in a way.
coarse ice
Who knows? The idea behind it is what would make players using a keyboard adapt ...
As I said, I don't really know since nobody really thinks about it
coarse ice
Being able to control the responsiveness of the joystick as well could be possib...
You won't able to strafe as fast as with a keyboard
And just keyboard if faster but less control, opposite for the joystick
brittle fable
You won't able to strafe as fast as with a keyboard
Because technology in keyboards have been implemented and worked on a lot for so long that we forgot that using a joystick for movement could be more useful.
So if there were able to make that joycon as fast as the 80he….
Gamers would achieve new levels.
brittle fable
so basically a mouse at 8khz
Well that’s already been done.
brittle fable
The idea behind it, is due to the fact that on most FPS games you have to use WA...
@astral crown There.
astral crown
it would still bring the lag spikes of 8khz mice with it
brittle fable
it would still bring the lag spikes of 8khz mice with it
I have never experienced lag spikes at 8khz with my mouse personally.
Have you? Or witnessed people who do?
astral crown
you can literally find tons of videos of this on yt
brittle fable
Im concerned lol
brittle fable
Why do they lag?
astral crown
its just due to the amount of data flowing into game input loops
brittle fable
And what about 8khz on the 80he? Will it not be the same?
astral crown
you basically send 8000 2d coordiantes into a game every second and it has to process these
keyboards have the advantage of keys not working the same
they have an absolute state that only gets an update sent when it changes
so while its 8khz only 1 of those polls with have a key down or up per key
brittle fable
Well the thing is, it would not be like a mouse, it would be like a gaming keyboard, but with more fingers available in short.
astral crown
i imagine you could optimize game loops to effectively handle mice/joysticks at high poll rates
whats the joystick for then if its a dpad
coarse ice
Wow, fastest and easy explanation of polling rate, I've never really thought of it but it makes so much sense explained like that
brittle fable
whats the joystick for then if its a dpad
I got to keep my fingers on WASD instead of using them for something else.
astral crown
so why not a dpad
coarse ice
Well the thing is, it would not be like a mouse, it would be like a gaming keybo...
But technically it will send information in the same type of stream as a mouse since it's a constant position feedback
astral crown
to shorten the travel
coarse ice
so why not a dpad
Less control that with a joystick if I'm right
brittle fable
to shorten the travel
It does not absolutely need to be a joystick if that is what you mean.
coarse ice
It does not absolutely need to be a joystick if that is what you mean.
Ok I'm wrong
astral crown
well im asking why the joystick since thats what you suggested
but a dpad would be faster and more resilient to wear
coarse ice
Then what are you asking if it's not a joystick? I don't understand then
brittle fable
well im asking why the joystick since thats what you suggested
Simply did not thought about a d-pad on that concept.
But perhaps that could work.
astral crown
also how would you access side buttons
assuming you hold em like a wii nunchuck they would be hard to access
brittle fable
assuming you hold em like a wii nunchuck they would be hard to access
On your pinky and ring finger?
astral crown
no the one next to the bumpers
not the paddles
the paddles would be used by pinky-middle finger depending on grip
basically like on normal controllers
but the side button would then be basically not pressable
astral crown
id say both arent
one is covered by whatever finger is for bumper/trigger
and the other is on the wrong side
trying to imagine it on my elite series 2
and it seems barely usable imo
astral crown
yeah but i tried that and it means potentially shortly lifting from bumber/trigger
the second method i tried was theoretically leaving a paddle empty and reaching for where it would be on the other side
also no good
brittle fable
yeah but i tried that and it means potentially shortly lifting from bumber/trigg...
That’s why Players would have to remap it to an option that is a last resort maybe. What would it be? That’s the thing, it’s personal preference.
They’re there just in case, and the other is for left handed aimers.
astral crown
interesting idea non the less but i highly doubt we will enter the controller market anytime soon
brittle fable
interesting idea non the less but i highly doubt we will enter the controller ma...
When I saw the one made for Osu, I thought that perhaps sharing my thought would bring innovation and inspiration.
astral crown
thats a keyboard not a controller lol
brittle fable
thats a keyboard not a controller lol
“Keys” rather lol
Tell you what, you think about it and let me know.
Talk to some people if you feel like it.
astral crown
well for what the PC, firmware and our wootility knows its a keyboard with 6 keys
i think if we would release a non keyboard/keypad product it would be a mouse before a controller
i imagine smth like the azeron keypad would be more something youd want
since its 100% 1 handed and already exists at that
brittle fable
i think if we would release a non keyboard/keypad product it would be a mouse be...
You have already started in the movement aspect of gaming with the incredible keyboards you have made that everyone are trying to copy, but if you are already working on a gaming mouse, I can’t wait to see what it would be like.
brittle fable
i imagine smth like the azeron keypad would be more something youd want
Hmm, Azeron hmm?
Let me look into it.
astral crown
maybe theyd be open to make an 8khz version since its prob "easy" for them to pump up the polling rate
they got the rest figured out after all
astral crown
You have already started in the movement aspect of gaming with the incredible ke...
not working on a mouse but it would be logically closer to keyboards
brittle fable
Oh right, I have heard about it.
brittle fable
maybe theyd be open to make an 8khz version since its prob "easy" for them to pu...
One with a D-Pad could be something, all it needs is enough promotion and then everyone will try to copy once more.
Because I do agree with your shorter travel idea.
astral crown
basically no travel. on a dpad you can navigate with just thumb tilting and rolling
brittle fable
Right, meaning less force and time even if it’s milliseconds to press a button.
astral crown
yes
brittle fable
Only issue is, on the Azeron there is a button that can be pressed only if you take your hand off its joystick, and it’s left handed only.
Unless Wooting takes that concept, changes the stick for a D-Pad, takes off that button next to it as the D-Pad would be made for movement and makes a right handed version for left aimers.
ye i like that idea