Tachyon Mode feedback

[tulip tiger]

Moved here from
https://discord.com/channels/167181566978555904/1075339050011074620

[normal moss]

i see

[covert lodge]

You can try using this tool (still pretty new) [Requires the Analog SDK], it will show you the history of your analog signal for keys and can help investigate keys not behaving correctly.

• It is not code signed yet, so you will get Windows SmartScreen crying.
• Let me know if you need it for a different platform, I have Mac and Linux builds

[normal moss]

no windows smartscreen issues here :)

[covert lodge]

Huh. interesting

[normal moss]

I have altered my windows to bypass smartscreen things and more

but

my b key is very inconsistent compared to my V key

[covert lodge]

Was it the B key that you were observing having issues in-game?

[normal moss]

Yes

It might give an explanation why it suddenly stopped giving input, since the actuation point is set to 0.1mm.

[covert lodge]

You're using rapid trigger as well?

[normal moss]

correct

on all keys

this is with RT off

[covert lodge]

Do you see any differences if you check it after replugging?

Also, when you're in the above situation, are you able to get it to max out if you press the key in harder?

[normal moss]

Its fixed after I replugged it somehow

[normal moss]

Also yes, that's the case here

[covert lodge]

I see, then I suspect that you may be pressing it in fairly hard at one point, which causes it to push in the end of the press calibration, so when you then press it normally, it thinks it's not fully pressed

[normal moss]

But there is more to it, when I press it at the left side of the button it the travel value goes lower. On the right, top and bottom nothing happens. I also checked this for the V key but that one is fine. Might this be a switch issue?

[covert lodge]

Huh, so it gives the furtherst press when pressed on the left side? But right, top and bottom you don't get any signal or what do you get?

[normal moss]

Let me quickly record this and I'll send it

[covert lodge]

Alrighty, ty

[normal moss]

nice mkv moment

do you need an MP4 or is MKV fine?

[covert lodge]

mkv is fine

[normal moss]

aighty

[covert lodge]

I see what you mean now, interesting. It would appear that your switch has really bad wiggle, so it may be good to try swapping the switch out

In general, the wiggle is something we're working hard to improve/eliminate (in the switches themselves)

[normal moss]

I see, luckily I have some spares so I will swap them out and let you know if that fixes anything

the problem is still there but its much better now

might just need to test a bunch of other switches and find a good one lmao

yep found a switch that doesn't have this issue, thanks Simon!

[covert lodge]

Great, glad you found a good one, hopefully we can prevent this happening in the future

[normal moss]

Hopefully yeah! Anyway, I am also looking it at the bright side: nothing wrong with the tachyon mode/RT. 2.7.3 beta 2 is working as intended for me

[covert lodge]

Great 😁

[wary stratus]

dang

that thread got big

[north trout]

When will the new firmware update release? The not beta one

I mean for 60HE

[covert lodge]

When it's running stable on everybody's boards

[normal moss]

I forgot to say this yesterday: Maybe pin this in this channel for future reference

[smoky cloak]

example, i was playing osu with lekkers

switch wobbles and this is the result

[smoky cloak]

this happens frequently with lekkers, for example in osu, where u press keys hard the keys get inconsistent on the one side for some reason, with raptors this doesnt happen ever

[north trout]

What is this

[normal moss]

I can (almost certainly) confirm that this is a major issue. I don't know if it's software related, but after some time the keys you play osu with are getting very inconsistent as shown in the 1st picture. Now replugging the keyboard fixes this issue but that shouldn't be needed. The question here is: are you guys able to come up with a explanation/solution to this problem?

[smoky cloak]

I wasnt even pushing a key like simon mentioned before, i was just playing you know, and this happened. Pretty sure who plays osu all have this issue. This needs to be fixed asap

RaptorHE doesnt have this issue.

doesnt matter how hard I press or hit a keys in osu billion BPM map

this doesnt happen with them

[smoky cloak]

and this after playing osu without wiggling the switch, just pressing on it

Tried both Beta and Stable wootility doesnt matter, this is a switch issue. I swapped 20 of them still happens.

[dire fractal]

mine does the same if I wiggle it

[smoky cloak]

yea everybody has this i think with lekker switches, raptors doesnt do this.

[dire fractal]

Does it make that much of a difference?

[smoky cloak]

This is the key after playing osu, this matters a lot in osu this shouldnt happen

either calibration is the issue or lekkers are bad

or both

[dire fractal]

I think the latter given you said the issue goes away with raptors

Lekkers have been bad in my experience though.. I have 3-4 boxes of L45 all with some issue

Finalmouse level QC actually lol

[smoky cloak]

yea

dude i had my win key on 4.0mm yesterday and i tried to screenshot

it didnt work

because it wasnt actuating on 4.0mm

it was like 3.6mm fully pressed

i replug the keyboard and it was fixed

[smoky cloak]

im not even smashing my keyboard playing osu. but still the key becomes like this on lekkers

meanwhile raptor switch

hope this gets addressed and fixed

at first i thought my kb was fucked then other users experienced same issue

[smoky cloak]

this happens with 1 of my raptor switches but not as much as lekkers

[smoky cloak]

simply not actuating on 4.0mm

replug fixes it, and then again if i press any lekker switch like 10 times in osu this happens again

more people should be involved here because i think this is a major issue. @alpine solar @tulip tiger

I literally pressed 3 and 4 keys 10 times and then they dont actuate on 4.0mm until replug

lemme record a vid real quick

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5Dz06tCx8mw

u can clearly see key doesnt actuate on 4.0mm, yeah maybe this can be wooting analog monitor issue not showing correctly, but no. ive set my key (in this situation my 3 key) to 4.0mm and tested it actuating and it struggles to actuate on it. because of what, because i pressed it 10 times or whatever

is this my kb issue or lekker switch ?

im not even slamming the keys, this happens everywhere where i have lekker switch

[tulip tiger]

Not sure why I of all get pinged but okay ...

[smoky cloak]

my bad: )

[normal moss]

Isn’t that kinda weird? How does replugging the keyboard suddenly makes it read properly then?

[smoky cloak]

This is more than weird, and 99% of the time this happens only with lekkers when you spam a key (not only in osu) it kinda loses calibration and no longer goes to 4.0mm and dont tell me something is wrong with analog monitor or else, there is something wrong with lekker switches and the calibration itself

there is no way this should happen, for example i have my key on 4.0mm actuation it doesnt actuate at all, if i wont set it below 3.8mm actuation

this is not ok

And yeah replug fixes this, but then it still has this, when you wiggle the switch.

Still waiting for Simon, maybe he can sort this out.

[grizzled veldt]

@smoky cloak that's happen to you the same way on stable 2.7.2 and beta 2.7.3 firmware?

[smoky cloak]

yes, only with lekker switches and im not the only one having this issue

[grizzled veldt]

I know that and trust you .but just suprised you have same result with stable and beta firmware cause they don't use same calibration way .
I imagined that the problem would be more or less present depending on the firmware

[smoky cloak]

for lekker switches its the same

it was always like this i think, but i noticed something was off few days ago and then checked with this software

calibration messes up and keys are getting inconsistent

[grizzled veldt]

Ok i understand .hope Simon can help you with this.

[smoky cloak]

@rain mountain

[normal moss]

There is not much they can do about this shafie

[covert lodge]

@smoky cloak For starters, you won't see this issue appearing on the Raptor switches, as they have a significantly stronger magnet, which fully saturates (i.e. maxes out) the hall effect sensor before it is fully pressed. So to the firmware, there's no difference between e.g. 3.8mm pressed vs 4mm pressed vs pressing it in harder and getting further travel

[smoky cloak]

Hi simon, so the thing is 2 days ago i couldnt actuate my win key properly because it was on 4.0mm and was only actuating at 3.8mm iirc, then i replugged the keyboard and it was fixed.

[covert lodge]

To answer why it gets fixed by replugging, that is because the firmware resets the end of press calibration every time the keyboard restarts. In general, the wiggle of the switches will result in the analog signal being lower when compared to pressing the key normally on the center of the keycap, so it is in general not that surprising that you'll see the signal pulling up a little bit when wiggling

Currently, the beta firmware has no limit to the end value calibration, so if you press in the key very hard, it's likely you're pushing the key into the plate further, making it closer to the sensor. So you're effectively making it have e.g. 4.3mm travel rather than 4mm. So then, when you press it normally, it thinks that it isn't fully pressed, because you've pressed it in so hard it thinks that is where the end of the press is

So with that, then you'll see it not actuate properly normally when the actuation is set to 4mm, because it thinks it's not fully pressed due to it being pressed in further than that before

[smoky cloak]

Yes, but im not even pressing the key that hard as shown in the video

[covert lodge]

It doesn't matter if you're not pressing the key that hard in the video, if it was pressed in hard before, it will have adjusted the end value calibration

[smoky cloak]

Is this really an issue? i wanted to know if something was wrong on my side really

[smoky cloak]

it wasnt pressed hard before, i replugged the keyboard before recording the video

[covert lodge]

The only way this will happen, is if the keyboard got a significantly higher signal for that key, compared to what it gets when it's pressed normally

[smoky cloak]

Well this happens with all keys with lekker switches

[covert lodge]

That could happen if you're pressing it off-center after it has been pressed on the center, as then it may not be fully pressed in and not count as 4mm. In general, the firmware has a mechanism for attempting to ignore the wiggle, so for you to see it happening like this, there has to be a real big difference in the analog signal that it's getting

Is your keyboard completely stock? or do you have mods?

[smoky cloak]

my keyboard is completely stock

[covert lodge]

Okay, lets continue in DMs to not fill up this thread too much

[smoky cloak]

Alright

[normal moss]

Okay this totally makes sense to me

Following this btw, because I have the same kind of issue

[covert lodge]

Different than what we went over before?

[normal moss]

Not entirely different, kinda experiencing the same issues as shafie

[covert lodge]

With the same severity? Or more inline with what you were sharing before?

[normal moss]

Somewhere in between so far, currently testing a bit to measure more precise values

okay so far its getting worse lmao the wiggle is very noticable, somewhere around 3.6-3.7mm currently deviations between 0.1-0.3mm

[normal moss]

Okay I am not able to achieve such worse values lowest is like 3.8 ish

[smoky cloak]

We let Simon cook

[fierce oasis]

Tried to read but still questioning.
So it ok that when wiggling it's changing? Or it's not and will be fixed in future?

[normal moss]

@fierce oasis this should give an answer to your question. I am not sure if it will be fixed in the future

[fierce oasis]

👍

[smoky cloak]

switch wiggle is lekker switch issue if i understand correctly, but if your keys calibration messes up after some time of use (for example after playing osu or other games) this cant be ok and needs to be fixed, lets see how this goes

[solar orchid]

@covert lodge Just met the problem that shafie has... The difference is that I swapped the case to a tofu 60 redux (The plate is still the Wooting stock one). It occurs on C and V key most often, which is my main osu keybinding. Been using it for about 8 months, idk if it's caused by the aging of the hall sensors, or slightly bending on the plate/PCB?

[solar orchid]

The situation could be a bit more complex: sometimes it can't even reach 4mm on the analog graph when I press the key all the way down as usual, I have to place my finger right on the middle of the keycap and press it a little harder to make it.

[smoky cloak]

no it cant be because of aging. and this is the common problem just not everybody is noticing it. (maybe not everyone has this but im sure majority of wooting owners has this)

[smoky cloak]

yeah, basically same thing as me, but Simon said he has some plans to help this, next week. Lets see if this gets resolved.

[smoky cloak]

you can try replugging kb, hold the key and see that its straight line, then hop on osu play some maps and the line isnt straight anymore its kinda at 3.8mm or 3.9mm depends

how long have u been using the keys

pretty sure if u use the keys whole day in osu, it can even become at 3.7mm at max

until u replug the keyboard

u can get raptor switches until this gets fixed 😂 @solar orchid

[solar orchid]

Yeah replugging kb calibrates it, then the problem comes again after a few osu gameplay or simply smash the key dozens of times.

[solar orchid]

Not playing all the time but I barely replug my keyboard or reboot my PC .

[solar orchid]

Will try raptor, and wait for software solution😁

[smoky cloak]

Not a fact this gets fixed, but 🙏

[smoky cloak]

this is the result with firmware version : v2.6.21-test downgrade

the line is pretty straight and after osu (played for 5 minutes) it doesnt go down to 3.8mm

like on current beta

[smoky cloak]

didnt play as much but those 5 minutes was enough on beta to make the calibration incorrect

Will post the 2.7.2 result in a moment

firmware 2.7.2

[grizzled veldt]

what is this on your screenshot?

[smoky cloak]

Erm

[smoky cloak]

I wiggled the switch there

I dont think its important, thats lekker switch issue that it wiggles like that

[grizzled veldt]

ok

and 2.7.2 fix the problem too right?

[smoky cloak]

Im not 100% sure yet, but yes 2.72 and below versions are way way better

[grizzled veldt]

now Simon have all the info and can work on the next beta firmware and try to make a real fix the double clic issue on spacebar i have and the problem you have on 2.7.3 beta

[smoky cloak]

@solar orchid are u on beta firmware?

[solar orchid]

No, I'm on 2.7.2 stable

[smoky cloak]

Thats weird, Im on 2.7.2 now and no longer see the issue. On beta firmware i was seeing the problem in seconds, but on 2.7.2 im playing osu for like 15 minutes, still no issue

holding the key, the line is straight, and isnt dropping to 3.7-3.8mm like on beta firmware.

@solar orchid if u have this problem on 2.7.2, try downgrade to 2.6.21-test

or upgrade to current beta firmware

[solar orchid]

ok sir, will try

[smoky cloak]

@solar orchid post your results after downgrade and upgrade please

[solar orchid]

👌

[smoky cloak]

Update: + and - keys have the problem for some reason, swapped the switches too but doesnt fix, but atleast other keys dont have this issue anymore

I think i have tested all keys with lekker switches and compared to 2.7.3 beta, the situation is way better on 2.7.2, but on 3 keys i have still the issue where the actuation comes down to 3.85-3.9 after pressing keys, but this can be improved im sure. @covert lodge

on 2.7.3 all keys with lekker switches had this issue.

this is result i screenshotted on 2.7.3 beta firmware after pressing the keys for like 20 seconds

and this is on 2.7.2

[grizzled veldt]

its day and night

[smoky cloak]

Still a room for improvement

but yeah, a big difference

[grizzled veldt]

next firmware will fix double clic and this issue for sure

[smoky cloak]

🙏

[solar orchid]

@grizzled veldt @smoky cloak Have tried the latest beta and 2.6.21 firmware, the issue occurs on both of them, and affects more keys. When I was on 2.7.2 stable, the problem comes to V key most often, others were basically fine. On 2.6.21.downgrade and latest beta some other keys starts floating on the monitor when I wiggle them, and looks V key is still the most "unstable" one.
Firmware I use in the video is 2.6.21.downgrade, tachyon mode on and RGB set to 0%, have had my kb replugged before test.

[smoky cloak]

cant see the video, can u just upload here?

[solar orchid]

yeah reuploading

[smoky cloak]

yeah, calibration needs to be improved, hopefully next week this gets resolved

[smoky cloak]

@solar orchid can u press the keys like ur playing osu, and then just press those keys in analog monitor, without wiggling the switch.

[solar orchid]

When I hit near the edge of the keycap it's just simply not reaching 4mm. Actually I was considering that it's caused by assembly mistakes, but case swap shouldn't make it, and the plate is the stock one and is well screwed to the PCB😔

[smoky cloak]

its not because of assembly mistake

[solar orchid]

It'll be great if this can be solved by fw update or switch swap, luckily there are multiple raptor HE sellers in my country, would try the possible solution next week.😤

[smoky cloak]

raptor doesnt have this because of strong magnet

[normal moss]

2.7.2 is much more stable so far for me

[grizzled veldt]

Yes im pretty sure a firmware update can improve or fix this issue Simon Daren and others work hard to help about this sort of problem

[solar orchid]

This shows what it acts when I wasn't pressing right on the center of the keycap, should've uploaded it before i went sleeping.
I was focusing on C and V before, actually it also happened with other keys like numbers when i press(v is still the most jumpy in the wiggle test)
Firmware is 2.6.21 test.

[smoky cloak]

its not better when ur on 2.7.2?

[solar orchid]

basically the same when testing long press, and worse on older and newer beta firmware when i wobble the keys

[smoky cloak]

interesting

[craggy pike]

Would you know if this supports the 60HE+ module

I was trying to help someone debug their 60HE+ module and this app doesn't seem to work for them with it

[covert lodge]

The Analog SDK needs an update to detect the 60HE+

I'll get back to all the above later when I have more time

[covert lodge]

@vivid grotto

[covert lodge]

https://github.com/WootingKb/wooting-analog-sdk/releases/tag/v0.7.5 I just released an Analog SDK update that includes 60HE+ support

[craggy pike]

Perfect

[smoky cloak]

🙏

[wild musk]

What issues did v0.7.5 fix?

[normal moss]

Literally 3 messages above 😅

[versed spade]

My woot60HE has been feeling funky got the last 2 betas

is there a tool to see the analog input]\

[rain mountain]

will showcase current state of the pressed switch
#1196768306602983494 message
requires the "Analog SDK" if not already installed (link Above if needed)

[smoky cloak]

wait for beta update, i think its coming out tomorrow (not sure tho)

[spring wind]

How do you know that ? So hyped

[smoky cloak]

Simon is working on beta update specifically for my issue. maybe it also fixes other issues too if u have them, dont know exactly

[versed spade]

so waht is windwos smart screen ?

[rain mountain]

No expert on the matter,
but I believe it is a Windows warning stating that the software is not registered and could be malicious or harmfull.
pretty much don't run the software unless you know its safe

[lavish stratus]

when is the next beta firmware?

[covert lodge]

I have a build in testing currently, which I hope to have released as a proper beta tomorrow

[lavish stratus]

alrgiht awesome

[covert lodge]

The new beta update is live now, it should show up as an available update when using Wootility Beta

[normal moss]

👌🏼

I can say that it works much better now

[burnt crow]

where is the beta update?

[smoky cloak]

https://beta.wootility.io/

[fierce oasis]

my wooting who he keyboard is stopped working after v2.7.3-beta.3

how do i downgrade?

but it does see my presses but nothing coming out. tried troubleshooting still nothing

oh restarting my laptop helped 👍

[smoky cloak]

👍

[bronze carbon]

Did they fix this issue?

[smoky cloak]

Its definitely way better now, but still needs improvement

[signal lantern]

Still wating for the stable update.......

[smoky cloak]

soon

[dire fractal]

Providing feedback on what exactly could be improved would help. Devs aren't magicians lol

[wild cloak]

I already used the analog app on this thread.

Quick question:

I tried to not press the key but move my finger horizontally on the key and my analog value still gets register. The actuation point is higher so i get no input and that is fine.

But why it regidters analog value if i dont press the key? i mean i only move my finger horizontally without pressing on the key. Just having a low contact and analog value get registered.

Is that what people say about "wobbling" ?

[smoky cloak]

whats the point of crossposting in 10 different channels

[smoky cloak]

i assume it registers because the magnet is moving, thats normal.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1196768306602983494/1199266793064255518/image.png?ex=660284bc&is=65f00fbc&hm=22799cf467e55eb0c00480d52ed2db51cb096af648e6cf38f57301fb0d646536&

this is how the wiggle looks like

if you press the key and wiggle it

note that this screenshot is old and on newer version of beta u wont get this bad of a wiggle in analog monitor

[wild cloak]

Ah perfect then

This is how it looks like

[smoky cloak]

This is normal, if i touch my kb slightly it will give signal too because magnet is moving

[lavish stratus]

idk if this is the place to talk about this but, if we were to hypothetically push the polling rate on the mcu that already exist in the 60he how far can we achieve maybe 2000hz or even 4000hz?

[glossy flower]

1000 is the max cause for anything above that you'll need an MCU with a highspeed USB connection.

[lavish stratus]

you think wooting is eventually going to make a 60he V2 having the upgrade of the 8000hz polling rate and the snappy rappy

[smoky cloak]

snappy will be added in software on wooting 60he, but i dont think there will be v2 60he.

[lavish stratus]

where did wooting state that itll be added to the 60he?

[smoky cloak]

in discord

[lavish stratus]

could u @ me?

[smoky cloak]

it was earlier today, cant find it

[pulsar patrol]

What software are you using to get these readings?

[smoky cloak]

#1196768306602983494 message

[pulsar patrol]

Ty

[versed spade]

yes need thiso

[smoky cloak]

#1196768306602983494 message

this still works, no?

[lean ferry]

when u guys update rapid trigger sens per key

[pulsar patrol]

What?

[scenic needle]

rapid trigger but the sensitivity per switch

[covert lodge]

Updated version of the monitor tool btw. Mainly just some fixes

[fickle token]

so this is the small issue I am having with debounce on 2.7.2 (might be just my spring/key combo)

the 2nd picture is the latest beta 2.7.3.5

2f9eb1feb920e5be53a6f9441af41263840b is my profile

I was doing full press and release of my keys

I was using the space bar for this testing but it does affect other keys as well

not as significant

k-key

space key

both of those are still on beta

[fickle token]

pretty sure this is no rapid trigger too

[fickle token]

still was on this profie

Maybe y'all can add a debounce setting along with per key rapid trigger settings if the memory allows it

was making warlock jumping on destiny very hard

[covert lodge]

When you say your spring/key combo, what are you using?

[covert lodge]

Also, you should be able to workaround this via your Actuation point. Assuming you're not using Continous rapid trigger, then your Actuation point will essentially dictate the start of press deadzone for rapid trigger

but in general, the symptoms you're getting is a general issue that we are investigating internally, so your information is a helpful additional datapoint

[fickle token]

Cerakeys L45’s and L60 on my space bar

[fickle token]

I'm going to get some stronger springs see if that helps it

[smoky cloak]

have u tried different keycaps maybe those keycaps are too heavy

[fickle token]

i’ll try my take control keycaps tonight

[fickle token]

tried the take control space bar and its the same

take control key cap on space bar with L60 .1 .15 rapid continuous

Wootility v4.6.16 (Web)
OS: Windows
Device: Wooting 60HE+, v2.7.3-beta.6

264b96b76833816de1e0e3db6ec2bb7dd072

[fickle token]

I mean i can avoid this if I put my actuation to .7+ but then its :/

[covert lodge]

In this you're getting double presses at bottom out as well? wtf is going on with your board

[covert lodge]

Are these switches or just spring swap?

[fickle token]

Those are the wooting lekker switches l60 is from my founders board and the l45s are from the 60+ release date

[fickle token]

Rattle I think, I’m pressing the key down and then lifting my finger as fast as possible

[lunar falcon]

I eliminated all stem wobble with the raptor geon HE switches/housing with the lekker 60 stem

This was as I was building it, it was worth it. No issues for me on the beta

[lean ferry]

Is that normal

Unstable keypress when i moving my finger on the key

[smoky cloak]

install beta firmware

it will be better, but main issue here are lekker switches

consider swapping them in future with lekker v2 or jades

[fickle token]

if you want to help me get some heavier springs from wooting let me know I'll buy some im in the US

[fickle token]

@covert lodge how I press and release keys to get that weird affect on latest beta

l60 on spacebar L45 on the rest

[fickle token]

its not as often on 2.7.2 but still there

[smoky cloak]

what if you dont press like that, and just press normally?

[fickle token]

Define normal me lifting my finger off my switch to turn it off fast would be normal

I tried plastic so i could not have my skin stick to the keycap

[smoky cloak]

just tap it

like you are typing normally

do you doubletap?

[fickle token]

It double presses still

[smoky cloak]

damn

[fickle token]

i try to delete once with my backspace and it does 2 occasionally so annoying

[smoky cloak]

yea that sucks

[fickle token]

The downward tapping motion isn’t the issue its the release being so quick that it like vertically bounces

But i can’t humanly tap that fast myself

[smoky cloak]

also strange that it happens with all firmware versions as you said

[fickle token]

Yeah its not as pronounced on 2.7.2

because the signal processing isn’t as precise

[smoky cloak]

maybe return it? or you cant

[fickle token]

i put it back to 2.7.2 through the troubleshooting feature on wootility

I’ve been flipping back on fourth

I love the speed and feeling of the beta but that double tap is rough

[smoky cloak]

forgot if you tried it on different pc/laptop

[fickle token]

not really a that type of issue power delivery is good makes no difference 0% 100% brightness

[smoky cloak]

worths to try

[fickle token]

Which stabs were you using first 60he?

Thats what I’m on

[fickle token]

Link me the stabilizer and switch you’re on

[covert lodge]

@fickle token I've got some ideas to help filter out some of these bounces in the signal.
Which keycaps are you using?

[fickle token]

Take control & cerakeys I’ve tried both

[fickle token]

Both have it

[covert lodge]

Both have it with the same severity?

[fickle token]

Yes especially on the new firmware

its similar to this issue I’m thinking

[covert lodge]

Hmmm, I see

I'll open a DM with you, so when I have some builds for you to try, I'll let you know

[fierce oasis]

is this not suppose to happen? its same for my spacebar

[fickle token]

the bottom when it returns is not supposed to happen

[fierce oasis]

well i guess im gonna cut sides from my space bar 👍

[fickle token]

yeah download the analog graphing and test it

[covert lodge]

Which version were you on before? If it was v2.7.3-beta.6, then v2.8.0 is virtually identical.
But ye, like Grizbabez said, you should use the analog monitor tool to get some data on this

[grizzled veldt]

when you say ghost click it's like double click or some key press don't register?