#Option to add further key activations based on key press depth?

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hexed pond
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Right now bottoming out the key and letting go can send up to 4 actions and I was wondering if there is a chance for that to become fully customizable instead?

This might not even be doable software wise but it'd be super sick if you could theoretically add 1 action per .1mm you depress a key for. The most notable reason for it being to get rid of the dependence of jumping on scrollwheel for b-hops for example. I think the more common HE keyboards get the more likely it is for some company to add that feature so it may as well be you guys no?

Would be curious to hear your thoughts as of whether it's feasible in the first place or why you might decide against doing it 🙂

shrewd birch
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we are currently not extending advanced keys to allow for what becomes essentially macros

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theres a lot of hurdles that we arent sure of how to solve namely tournament legality

hexed pond
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i suppose if you had 40 that'd be way overkill so i guess it's a tough problem in a way

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it's a bit hard because this is new tech but to me this isnt much different to using your scrollwheel

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i guess if it was locked to only being able to send the same key instead of a sequence it'd be more acceptable?

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because then it'd literally just be akin to a scrollwheel imo

shrewd birch
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the general issue is that DKS itself was thought of as a way to pause the keypress and basically delay a second action until you want it to fire (by then fully pressing down or releasing the key)

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however a lot of people use it as macro light

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and the more steps it gets the closer it gets to mindlessly push down and release the key

hexed pond
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you reckon theyd just blanket ban any keyboards capable of doing that at most high tier esports if that were the case?

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or just forbid pros from using that feature while everyone else can use it freely?

shrewd birch
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yeah but the thing is (maybe a bad parallel) but just cause others get away with a crime doesnt mean we can also just do it. other keyboards get away with highly capable software macros that are against basically all multiplayer games ToS for years. the main reason is though that ofc you dont wanna ban people just cause they run razer synapse cause the keyboard doesnt have 90% of its functions without it.

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we just wanna do it right and set a standard for the industry

hexed pond
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hmmm in a realistic approach money ultimately talks and surely if competitors attract people solely through that feature itd be adapt or die at some point anyway id wager

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but yeah i respect the approach

shrewd birch
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well the approach we discussed was basically asking esports orgs if something like a tournament firmware would be acceptable

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that way pros can run tournament firmware at home and at the esport event

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and people who wanna use macros for whatever reason can use the normal firmware

hexed pond
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that would be a pretty sensible approach especially when HE becomes more common

shrewd birch
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the main issue is finding out where the line is in all of this.

hexed pond
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otherwise i was gonna say to allow as many increments that would set it equal to just scrolling your mouse

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and then locking it to a single key itd send

shrewd birch
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well the idea was for the tournament/normal firmware to basically be normal firmware has hardware macros (which wont be able to do everything due to limitations of what a keyboard can do in general related to reading the state of the computer)

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this was a general issue though cause before we had wootomation people could never really say what theyd use macros for outside of gaming

hexed pond
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honestly if anything i think using different actuation depths is less morally questionable than actual full blown ahk-like firmware macros no?

shrewd birch
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yesnt depends on who you ask

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some already say DKS is basically macros

hexed pond
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for example GGG in path of exile has the rule of 1 server action per 1 player action

but who is to say whether pressing your key in different depths are different actions or not

shrewd birch
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thats where the discussion usually starts correct

hexed pond
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obviously there's a certain onus on the developer to not randomly allow bottoming out spacebar to spam 300 commands to the server but yeah

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tricky problem that i think ultimately will be solved by the question of profitability like everything else

shrewd birch
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long story short for now we wont change DKS massively

hexed pond
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unfortunate but reasonable

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itd be absolutely incredible to finally get rid of scrolling my scrollwheel like a clown to bhop

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i suppose the moral grey area would be to have that setting uhh somewhat inaccessible for the general public and if someone is caught using said modifcation at LAN theyll technically already be breaking the rules

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namsayin brother