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wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:21 PM

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Hi wooting clan,

I have encountered some limitations about remapping keys and the features of DKS and I have written it down in a reddit post and its comments. It is quite a long text so I will just leave a link to the rest of the reddit post if thats ok:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WootingKB/comments/17bu6fl/remapping_of_special_characters_and_custom_shift/

TLDR:
I use german OS and I want to create a key that types [ if pressed normally and { if I press shift+key. This seems to be impossible with the current DKS features.

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lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:23 PM

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that is impossible in general unless your shift would switch layers or something

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:25 PM

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Well it isnt technically impossible. I had little trouble achieving the same thing using qmk.

Shift switching layers is an idea I played around with for a bit, but unfortunately 40 DKS keys are not enough for that because every single button on the new layer would have to be DKS, even letters

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:26 PM

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shift should not switch layers at all. that would break the convention of how keyboards work.

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as in if its still shift

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:26 PM

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right, I agree.

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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also i dont know why every button on the new layer has to be dks

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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But if I am just a guy trying to achieve the keymap of his dreams

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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you just do normal mapping on the new layer

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unless you mean you still want shifted keys

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then you could use DKS to press FN1 or whatever first and then hold shift

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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oh

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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then you can get both a layer switch and sending shift + whatever else you want

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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now thats an idea

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:27 PM

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and you can also make it only hold shift if you fully bottom out

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so light press switches layers and then it goes shift after

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:28 PM

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you are onto something

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I shall go tinker again

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:28 PM

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as a german i understand the wish for better mapping of these but without breaking a lot of conventions or using very OS specific trickery its just not possible to map in this way

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:29 PM

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right, which is why ideally i would want a professional to give me a framework that makes these things possible

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:29 PM

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i mean the easiest way to do this is just use AHK

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as you then get 100% remapability to literally anything

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:30 PM

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right, but then the information is not saved on the keyboard. If I remote into a different computer my whole layout goes out of the window again.

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I can see that I am a very niche usecase, but I am just throwing the idea out there

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I will see what I can do with your Idea, thanks a lot Tony

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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fully fine to throw ideas out there. we did think about a full or well more expanded DKS/macro system on board but the main issue is tournament legality and such.

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 1:47 PM

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I will report back once I got the new idea running. If it works well I might share a guide for others

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 2:51 PM

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Unfortunately I ran into an issue. The idea of having the shift key activate a new layer and be shift simultaneously is insanely cool and works well with one caveat:
Apparently you cant have 2 advanced keys on the same key across different layers :(

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 2:56 PM

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hm

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 2:57 PM

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i think it works if I use shift to switch between a digital profile and an analogue profile... but I am not sure if that profile switch is a good idea

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ok i got it to work with switching between profiles, but now I realize why having shift as a layer switch is not optimal after all. If we go back to the example of having a key that can type [ and {

[ is ALTGR+8
{ is ALTGR+7

neither of them contain SHIFT, so i cant have them on my new "shifted layer"...

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Its unfortunate that there is a limitation of 40 advanced keys :(

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hold the phone, its 40 advanced keys PER profile?

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oh damn, i think this will work. is it a bad idea to switch between profiles rapidly?

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 3:22 PM

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not really

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i mean its all on keyboard anyway

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 3:22 PM

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yea, i wondered because one profile is digital and one is analog

lavish forge Oct 20, 2023, 3:22 PM

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at least i cant think of much downside

wicked escarp Oct 20, 2023, 3:23 PM

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isnt it weird, that there is a limitation of 40 advanced keys per profile?

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shouldnt it just be 160 in total

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