#Overall experience of the UwU and its launch

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vital thistle
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the message i am about to send is in no way a attack at anyone at wooting or works for wooting as i have had nothing but nice experiences talking to people individually though the discord HOWEVER:

this uwu launch and campaign has a extremely rough experience so far

I personally think the initial expected date when the uwu announced was not very realistic. Creating a whole new product and introducing 2 new production pipeline steps just doesn't look feasible reflecting back on it now.

the whole announcement of the first delay was handled very poorly. It wasn't officially spoke of until the video came out on the YouTube when there should have been a psa made in the discord as soon as you had a grasp on the situation. It took the community to inform the community about the situation and while its amazing how it shows how helping the community is it just does not look good on the wooting teams side. when we asked why the delay announcement was taking soo long we was told it was because you was waiting for the video to come out which is very poor priorities in my opinion. if you was happy to talk about it on the occasional weekend stream you guys had going you should have been more than capable to make a psa in the discord stating that the product had to be delayed and that a full explanation would come with the video. At least then it would be widespread there was a delay instead of the community having to explain it every time someone asked in the discord. I understand the people of wooting apologised for this but this should have just been done, not neglected then apologised for after.

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Next is the update process. For a product that was only initially supposed to have a 12 week wait to its full release only having updates every 6 weeks or so is very saddening. I understand that you don't want to fill updates with information that isn't useful but its better than being left in the dark. I cannot speak for everyone but I would much rather have an update of you guys showing some of the development of something like the rgb on the device than nothing at all. At least then people have an idea of what's going on instead of waiting in the dark for a month+ at a time especially on a product that has been delayed. I am aware the streams existed and you talked about the process and updates of the device there but many people like myself are busy and don't always have the time to catch them.

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I am aware there are things out of your control like the war affecting shipments and there is nothing u can do about that nor should myself or anyone hold against you, though the shipment part of the experience has probably been the roughest out of everything I have mentioned so far.

when the psa was announced that shipments would start for the EU (including countries in Europe but not in the EU) it should have been clearly laid out that you ship based on order of countries relative to you then spread out. People like myself who ordered in April was expecting to have there's ship the day or the day after it was announced but it took me having to go through the discord to find out that u have a order that u ship in and mine would have yet to be shipped, as of me typing the people from my country who ordered theirs after my has had theirs shipped and delivered yet i am still waiting for mine to be packaged. This is making me extremely frustrated and is edging me on to a bad experience on top of everything else. I am aware that your warehouse is working at full capacity but on a product that has been delayed at large and has a vast amount of people waiting there should have been steps of caution to mitigate situations like this. such as hiring temporary to help speed that packaging and shipping process.

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I am grateful over at wooting you guys delayed the product in order to make sure we as the customers got the best product we can but when paying for a premium product that should be a given (at the end of the day it is a 3 key keypad and mine in total came to just short of £100). When you guys experience issues it shouldn't be the customers fault to take them on, you guys have done okay but there is alot that should have been done to help reduce the delays you created on your end.

once again i would like to reiterate that this isnt an attack at the company or anyone who works there. this is just honest feedback from someone who is a fan of what the company creates.

thank you for reading this

regards,
Mal

drowsy marsh
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based and sanest take, I completely second all of this

narrow rose
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Hi Mal, thanks for the feedback. We have worked over the years on improving the entire process, including better expectations and estimates when a project is launched. And how we deal with updates.

In the past I wrote all the updates in more details than any of the videos, but it also cost me a huge chunk of time.

When we launched the 60HE we decided to go over to primarily video format and summarized text. This went really well. We were able to execute on monthly updates, clear communications, and get a smoother delivery.

When it comes to the UwU, it indirectly suffered from our fast paced growth.

I still play a central role in product development and customer communication for projects. This has caused a bottleneck for UwU, because I also handle everything business related. This meant that my time was highly occupied with the growth and I tried to consolidate updates as much as I could linked to critical information, so it would free up more time to actually spend on the product development.

This also caused me at one point realize too late that we spent too much time on a particular problem, delaying everything. I am responsible to have that insight and shift priorities or expedite a decision by eliminating bottlenecks.

I’m of course not doing any of it all by myself. I work closely with Rouhan (industrial designer), Vanessa (Product project manager), and Kevin (head industrial designer) whom all execute the majority and progress projects daily.

To give you an idea. Between UwU launch and now, I now have somewhere in the 15-18 more colleagues.

None of them in fulfillment because we work with 3rd party (3PL) fulfillment centers. We do this to make it easier to scale, accommodate our remote work/life, and deliver globally.

Therefore, there is no such thing of any of us packing anything (anymore).

Our 3PL in the Netherlands ships worldwide except for US. We have another 3PL there.

The NL 3PL is having a hard time to catch up with our volume. The time UwU arrived, we were also midst shipping thousands of keyboards.

We coordinated with them when they could expect large volumes, but regardless something ain’t going right. I am in the process of reviewing what’s going wrong on their side and how we can modify the process for the future.

They aren’t a small mom pop shop, so it’s not that this is going over their heads. They have multiple locations, developed their own warehouse management system (WMS) and including their own automated robot pickers at their main location.

Our US 3PL is a much larger cooperation and far more capable shipping our volume in a short time frame. I.e. our volume is less significant relative to their scale.

We’re still learning from this process to see how we can make it smoother and more insightful to end user in the future. This is where the Wooting Hub originated from.

To hook it back to these things relying too much on me, that’s something we are still figuring out.

It starts with the update style. Whereas before we’d centralize the update and consolidate information. We are going to decentralize updates and create more variety with the faces responsible or involved for said update.

This will fit better with the larger team, us already all working remote, and me moving back to Taiwan (while central recordings happened in NL).

Lastly, we are providing sub-optimal customer service at the time. The majority of new hires are in customer service, but with the recent thousands of shipments it has shown that it’s not enough to deal with further growth. We are still hiring in this department but it also adds fuel to the fire.

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Can’t say you’re wrong, it’s how you experienced it. I recognize where the pain points are and we are capable to do better. Not a lack of willingness, rather a shortage of capacity to execute and prioritize it all appropriately.

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To add a disclaimer: the UwU project timeline included a buffer and if we would’ve stook with the first or second iteration, it would deliver as promised. However, we first spent too much time on the RGB lightbars and then on the final colors.

Every project runs the risk in development for the unknowns. The safest and easiest timelines are after you’ve completed opening all the tooling for the product. The UwU was launched before opening tooling, as this is the largest fixed cost and you’d want to have secured the market demand before executing.

vital thistle
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thank you for replying i greatly appreciate that

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but theres somethings here that id like to say, when you said you used to write out all the posts out to greater detail but it took longer.

i said in my previous message the compromise should have been to give a brief psa, nothing crazy detailed saying "hey we are experiencing a delay and we will have a full video covering it and all the amazing stuff going on so far! thank you for understanding"

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thats all it would have taken

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i understand alot of what you are saying here and i really do appreicate it

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but their were early signs that were there that should have been indicators to the wooting team that there was going to be cause for concern

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it was very evident that wootings were extremely popular in the rhythm game demographic and when you targeted that with this product there should have been protocall for certain targets one of them being a large influx of new consumers

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for the packaging i can see how that is not really in your control as much as the fullfilment centers, you gave them the heads up and its not going acording to plan. no one can blame you for that. but even then a small update about that would be nice

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from the consumer side all we see is silence and just basically being told to wait. after waiting long enough with all of the others delays these minor things change the tone drastically

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as we can then understand its not the wooting teams fault instead of hearing nothing and us just having to guess whats going on

narrow rose
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The product pages are for project specific developments and tune down when it’s the last bit of logistics.

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I don’t mean to say that your experience is erroneous, but I do want to say that we are actively trying to update within the capacity we have

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may I interrupt with an additional question. how does it come some people get their uwu a week sooner if they ordered at the same time. same country?

narrow rose
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Updating everyone is difficult, often not as simple as a simple written message. Often it doesn’t reach everybody or it’s not part of their routine to check somewhere.

you can also find the batch updates linked in the hub tracking

vital thistle
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alright thank you both for your time 😄

vital thistle
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but im not sure

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appreciate it

vital thistle
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im in the same boat as someone (in the discord i spoke to) who ordered after me and is literally from where i live has theirs and mine has yet to be packaged sadagepepecry

narrow rose
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thanks calder 🙂

narrow rose
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The fulfillment also has their own prioritization. I would assume it prioritizes first in first out

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But since they need to bulk ship, the logic might change to for example bulk specific order combinations or shipping carriers

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I’m still in the process of finding out with our NL fulfillment

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(I.e. the situation is alarming enough that I’m putting in a serious complaint and going to do a drill)

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😂 im just saying if your partner logistics need help im willing to go there and help, getting mal and mine.

vital thistle
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that way it doesnt have to be a word of mouth thing through the community

narrow rose
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Well a cool thing erik and jeroen did spontaneously was a random discord stream. streaming the package of the uwu. that specific suprise moment was really chill

narrow rose
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Oh yeah that was pretty dope, too bad it doesn’t create a VOD

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may its off topic, but I wanted to share that 😄

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hype was off the chart for our discord users 😄 they didnt see it comming ( and neither did we).

vital thistle
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but i can understand, this issue happened with the delay information being said on stream but then id argure that it wasnt put through a medium that the masses would look for

narrow rose
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We were prepared for it

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But there is only so much you can do

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Can’t predict the exact growth

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vital thistle
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i just typed that 😅 . but a livestream is no where near going to gain the traffic the discord psa would

narrow rose
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It would get cut out of the vid and uploaded to YouTube

vital thistle
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that would have been a good option too

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though ik there might be an element of production value you would like to maintain with the youtube channel videos

vital thistle
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i think that would have been a really good solution

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heyy its calder without the boneconducting shokz

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best purchase of the year

narrow rose
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lol

vital thistle
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have someone cut up a section of the vod to present it in a breif consumable but informative vid for you yt

narrow rose
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Perhaps time to bring it back. We are also from now on also streaming on YouTube

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vital thistle
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then have a member watch it before upload to make sure the format is presentable with the expectations the wooting team has

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I have worked with youtubers in the past so im kind of knowledgeable when it comes to stuff like that. I dont know how familiar with the osu community you are but I have worked for both BTMC and Whitecat (blackdog5) in the past

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like i said at the beginging and i hope u see it this way. I dont want it to feel like i am attacking anyone at wooting or wooting themselfs. I just wanted to present these things I thought just as a community voice and i really appreciate the amount of time you have taken to repsond throughout this @narrow rose

narrow rose
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Yeah. I’m not taking it as an attack. Just trying to provide some insight and see if there’s something we can learn from it all.

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You have got the discussion rolling internally. So it’s all a positive impact.

vital thistle
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I'm really happy to hear that. on the topic of the vod cuts for youtube. If you plan to bring this back and want to present it in a cut format containing all the key points from that stream, I would be happy to help in the future if you need community members as its something i am familiar with!

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And thank you for replying really late into the evening, i really appreicate it

inland tulip
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Hm. Maybe cause wooting is still relatively small they don't quite have the capital to go balls deep into a new product. Allot of this could have been avoided by simply saying hey we made this new thing and you can buy it right now. They seem to rely on getting the initial funding from customers, basically securing demand before providing supply. And deu to the uncertain nature in the development process this leads to inevitable delays and customer frustration. The ideal would be having the product fully developed and ready for mass production before announcement. This is risky as demand is not yet certain and recourses have allready been expended. In the case of the UwU I think they were shocked by the demand ngl dogekek since its such a niche product. I for one have never had to be this patient after buying something but I also very rarely pre-order anything.

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My opinion of the overall experience is thus not quite as valid since I have nothing to compare it to.