Sometimes Q bind doesn't respond while playing Fortnite

[vestal kestrel]

My Q key doesn't pick up about half my inputs. This only happens when I'm playing Fortnite and pressing multiple keys at once. Normally the key works fine.

[minor zenith]

Are you playing without Rapid Trigger enabled on Q by any chance?

(can share your wooting keyboard profile if you aren't sure)

[vestal kestrel]

Yes without rapid trigger

I play on the typing profile

[minor zenith]

you are likely just not used to the actuation point of the keyboard, not fully lifting/resetting the key to be pressed again

we advice you to play with Rapid Trigger enabled so that your key resets sooner, making it easier to use a high actuation point and giving even more responsive inputs

the default 'Rapid Profile' on the keyboard is already setup with some good Rapid Trigger settings

but it is not required

what you can otherwise do is set the actuation point of the keyboard to match your previous keyboard's switches (likely 2.0 or 2.1mm)

[vestal kestrel]

Yes I initially thought that might be the case so I tried setting the actuation to 2mm but still had the issue. Also tried with rapid switches did not fix the issue. I'll give it another shot this evening tho and get back to u thanks

[vestal kestrel]

@minor zenith Just tried again now I am certain I am pressing Q but nothing comes up

[minor zenith]

do you have the ability to record your gameplay?

though OBS or something?

[vestal kestrel]

yes can do

do u want an overlay to show keyboard inputs

[minor zenith]

yes, this one should do great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ZL6NmN-KM

https://github.com/DjCrqss/Woot-verlay

this overlay would show you your key depth and if it is active or not (green = active, red = inactive)

oh and something else you can experiment with is reconnecting the keyboard to recalibrate it for 0.1mm accuracy again

[vestal kestrel]

https://streamable.com/eihrkd i used a different over lay in this one but i can try the woot-verlay if u need. The first part is my original keyboard, the second is the wooting keyboard

[minor zenith]

I do like that overlay too, very customizable
But I would prefer you to use the woot-verlay as the NohBoard overlay can skip keystrokes shorter than 50ms

one thing you could do is use this workaround:

but then it does not accurately show your fastest keystrokes anymore

[vestal kestrel]

ill redo it with the other overlay later cuz i dont have enough time right now thanks for your help tho

[minor zenith]

np I hope you can nail down the issue

[vestal kestrel]

🤞

[minor zenith]

Also analysing your video frame by frame, it looks like the overlay does catch every Q press

even when it supposedly did nothing in Fortnite

so it's either the timing issue suggested earlier, or Fortnite is not registering your input:

are you using any Double Movement applications? or are you on an Analog keyboard profile with Gamepad mapping bound to WASD?

can test if a virtual gamepad's joystick for Double Movement is moving around here: https://gamepad-tester.com/ (by pressing WASD keys)

https://i.imgur.com/Vu45oDP.mp4

if so, try this out again later but with standard movement (no mixed input from gamepads). Fortnite can be a bit janky with gamepad mapping and a certain alt-tabbing issue ||that we may be able to avoid||

[vestal kestrel]

im on the normal keyboard profile

[vestal kestrel]

there is no gamepad input when i check this site

i use the fortnite in game double movement, but even when I turn this off I still have the same issue

also for some reason I cant add the Q button to the woot-verlay

Even when disabling fortnites in game double movement I still have the issue of fortnite not registering my Q input

I think the problem might be when I hit two buttons at near the same time

[minor zenith]

You can edit the overlay in OBS by right clicking the element and pressing interact to open the interactive browser page from OBS

[vestal kestrel]

thanks got it

https://streamable.com/p9yzw0

as you can see the Q button has been pressed it just seems like fortnite isnt responding to it

im on the default typing profile using ingame double movement and the problem is still there even if I turn it off

no clue what is going on

[visual notch]

It would be interesting to know if this is related to the action or the key. Meaning to swap the key to something else and to check if it's the Q which is somehow making the trouble or the used action which is bound to that key, or unrelated.

Without anything to know about this issue and the very limited info mentioned here, my best guess would be that the FPS rate is maybe kind of slow and that the key is pressed for such a short period that it's maybe to fast for the game to pick it up. Games handle the inputs between two frames. Depending how the input handling is done it can be that if the key up event is present between the same two frame where the down event was registered before, that the game then just ignores it entirely.

Regardless, the way to go would be to rule it down. We already know that it's fine outside the game so it would be good to cross check it in another game to see if there the inputs is also missed sometimes.
In the case my assumption would be true it should help to turn Tachyon off, this would increase the time between the down and up event by just a few milliseconds which may already helps. Also a good test would be to use DKS, for example to bind a key hold for Q like this:

[vestal kestrel]

Low fps isnt an issue, as you can see in the streamable link i posted I get constant 360fps. Also I dont have the problem of the missed input in other games such as valorant, however I also do not need to press the same key as much as I do when building in fortnite. I turned Tachyon off, it didnt solve the problem. I also tried with the DKS but it also didnt work.

[visual notch]

@minor zenith Should the overlay show analog values for each key? I wonder why it does for all the keys but not for the key in question.

[visual notch]

And what about the other tests?

Also please reset your bindings in the game via the special feature. I'm not familiar with Fortnite but I remember a weird issue where binding don't apply correctly and I'm not sure if this is still a thing.

[vestal kestrel]

Its almost impossible for me to test it on another bind because it only bugs out when I'm freebuilding and I cant freebuild with another bind for my floor, I don't have the muscle memory to test another bind

[vestal kestrel]

I'll try this

[visual notch]

So you can't just shift the entire key scheme you are using one to the right?

The whole issue is very weird. Because you mentioned it's limited to that game only it's more likely caused by that game.

The only difference between the Wooting and other keyboard should be that the Wooting is faster than the typically keyboard. That's why I thought it's maybe got missed. Beside that I can't imagine for a legit reason why this keys is missed while it's registered by the OS.

So if it's not missed due to a much slower peripheral input delay the problem should also occur on other keyboards.

Maybe this issue should be better handled by the Fortnite support.

[vestal kestrel]

oh shit ye ill try this

[vestal kestrel]

ye ill try fortnite support

[visual notch]

If you got an answer please report back. Maybe this will then help others. But I'm not aware of a similar issue so far, but I don't handle Fortnite problems here.

In the case you are unsure if you want to return the Wooting or not I would recommend contacting them. Possible that they will increase the period in the case you need some additional time to troubleshoot this issues.

[vestal kestrel]

did this and the it pretty much works about 95% of the time

there are times when it still doesnt pick up the input

but its is much much less

[visual notch]

But the signal quality is good for that key or? Like when you just press it and have the touch RGB effect enabled.

[vestal kestrel]

ye

[vestal kestrel]

they werent much help they just referred me to the general troubleshooting for a keyboard

[drifting narwhal]

I am having the same issue, I edit with Q maybe I’m just not used to it or it’s not pressing

I’m really just confused in a way

If anyone has more advice or could reiterate it for me that would be amazing

It just feels off

I only have said issue when I’m going for a quad edit etc and when I’m spamming the key in a way other then that it works flawlessly

[coral jackal]

I have the keyboard from the beginning. I thought it was just me and muscle memory. But I have the same issue as well. Q doesnt respond that well.

[visual notch]

Is it better if Tachyon is disabled compared to enabled?

[coral jackal]

No

[distant zinc]

@minor zenith

im on pc and it shows controler binds

i can play but when i build it shows that and wont let me build unless i click twice

making fortnite unplayable

i havent played fortntie in long time

trying to get some help

@visual notch

[minor zenith]

Reconnect the keyboard, you're playing on a profile with controller mapping.

If you want to learn more about your keyboard, checkout the quick start guide and the Wootility YouTube video

https://wooting.io/quickstart
https://youtu.be/1JOddIUhUv8