@zenith sonnet which one u got?
#🔌│tech
fickle ore
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh You talking to me bud?
zenith sonnet
F4-3600C16D-32GTZN
vagrant marsh
yea 😛
cursive summit
Yeah idgaf 
I always talked like that, always will
More coherent sentences
If it's a mash of multiple sentences in a single message, my OCD kicks in
Can someone tell me what the fuck's the point of a Macbook?
They so expensive and weak I can't not ask
misty pier
old ones good, new ones kind of meh
only reason if someone would get one if they want the apple synergy with their phones and stuff
reef patrol
They're idiot proof, and it's the hip thing to have. Even if it's 8 years old.
misty pier
but for that it's quite expensive
urban lynx
macbook are there to make you able to say "look, i paid money for something expensive, and i dont care if it's good or not!"
reef patrol
I swear to god - Every female in my retail classes had one.
misty pier
most people at my college got it through the educational discount
urban lynx
lowkey makes me a bit embarassed to be female
misty pier
free airpods got everyone hooked haha
zenith sonnet
Glad my wife does not want Apple products for University ^^
cursive summit
Oh damn I didn't know we had Tiger Lake now
I looked around recently, only Comet and Ice Lake
reef tundra
Best computer is a defective raspberry pi zero as i am willing to sell it for 9999,69 european rubbles. It is afterall expensive
vagrant marsh
@reef patrol told ya ur a snob
reef patrol
Whaaaaaat
vagrant marsh
the few girls i knew from school used cheap knockoff mp3 players most of the time.
how old were you again mansen. 22?
im 30. so 15 years ago apple laptops wernt even much of a thing
fickle ore
@ashen spindle omg I found it finally, what we looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTbx4fk3rw&feature=youtu.be the 4000 kit is SR while the 3200/2133 kits are DR
sorry for the pings
vagrant marsh
finally found it? he literally just released the vid XD
fickle ore
kk
reef patrol
how old were you again mansen. 22?
@vagrant marsh 33
And I was referring to the world as of February 😄
vagrant marsh
okey, nevermind 😅
ashen spindle
uhh where does it mention that the kits are SR/DR? @fickle ore I just skimmed through and cant find
vagrant marsh
he just shows 2 sticks and 4 sticks, but the test itself only mention frequency
ashen spindle
congrats you found what started this topic hours ago
vagrant marsh
yes...
reef tundra
Random Access Memory
fickle ore
woo woo 🙂
ashen spindle
but ye, is your cpu shipping already or whats the status? @fickle ore
ashen spindle
aight so you can test it and send back or not depending on results, should be fine then
neat oriole
shadow minnow
How good drop protection will Apple silicone case provide?
ashen spindle
at least 4
ashen spindle
encryption on apps like @whatsapp
the matter is serious but having WA as the example is just ironic
reef patrol
Let's block end to end encryption on apps to prevent criminals from using !
criminals start using other apps they self-develop with encryption
Wait you can't do that!
crimson wigeon
Alright cool, and let me guess they'll be allowed to use end to end encryption, right? Not us plebeian citizens
reef patrol
ashen spindle
ohhh ofc that helps
pale sigil
trying to close my account
thanks spotify
can someone suggest a good email client that runs in the backgroumd?
thats pretty quick at fetching
reef patrol
Gmail.
cursive summit
@pale sigil Mail for Windows
reef patrol
😆
cursive summit
It's so useful and fast
reef patrol
Get Outlook?
cursive summit
EhhhI have 3 accounts connected all gmail
pale sigil
Outlook is bloat
cursive summit
Quite fast
reef patrol
Millions of plebs can't be wrong. 😆
cursive summit
Is thunderbird on win?
pale sigil
thunderbird is annoying
i just want a simple mail app
like windows mail
lol
and thunderbird can be super slow
at fetching
pale sigil
my issue has just always been gmail
i have 6 emails
on windows mail
gmail accounts just dont update
fast
cursive summit
What if you setup forwarding between all 6 into one, and connect that one?
pale sigil
i considered that once and semi do that already
but gmail i like to keep seperate
every email has a purpose so i cba to link
cursive summit
Damn last time I watched this, I really enjoyed it
This and Scrapyard wars were amazing
pale sigil
LTT can make some good content when they make *series&
i love scrapyard
though it kinda has lost its charm
over the years
cursive summit
As it went on it got progressively less unique
But Linus just has this entertainer charisma to him that makes stuff just fun to watch 😄
pale sigil
ye
pretty much
also i want to run my own email service, i can not but i only want to do it when i know ill have it up for at east 5 years min
misty pier
like a locally hosted email server?
misty pier
shouldn't be too hard I believe
misty pier
as long you got a chill isp it should be fine and dandy
pale sigil
but i want to know i can have access for a min of 5 years
oh no
i would never host locally
ISP/Electric unreliable
misty pier
i just use a custom domain and pay an email provider 12 euros a year
misty pier
yeah, I'm just experimenting with this
misty pier
I honestly prefer gmail more because of the filters and all but if you lose your google account, rip you
pale sigil
filters can be good with a decent service in mind
misty pier
yeah, i just never had to deal with annoying spam mail on gmail though
it's pretty robust and I like it but.. it's google
what services do you normally use
pale sigil
gmail and outlook
id use my own domains
but like i said id rather self host
found a nice mail app
called mailspring
tender sparrow
Oh good, Thunderbird was pissing me off
tender sparrow
Oh it wants you to create an ID for an app that has zero features or reasons to use an ID. No thanks
cursive summit
Fams I am getting pissed off
I seriously need consulting
Debating myself between MSI Prestige 14 Evo A11M (14" ultrabook with top of the line Tiger Lake i7-1185g7, 1600 euros) and Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 9310 (1165g7, 2700 euros)
The price difference is insane
But the XPS is a 4K touch 2-in-1
Whereas Prestige 14 is a more powerful full HD that doesn't touch or do tablet thingies
Which one would you lads suggest?
To me the ability to make it into a tablet and use touchscreen for browsing/drawing is AWESOME
reef tundra
4k looks nice and crisp on my 15 inch dell, mostly noticable on text. But also consumes a more power than a 1080 would.
cursive summit
Say the battery life is not that meaningful, at best it would need to last 5 hours
cursive summit
The 4K screen also does HDR400 I think, which is awesome
Oh the dell is a 52Watt
But also a ultra low power CPU
reef tundra
4k needs more nits as the crystals dimm more
ashen spindle
I mean you are asking for a recommendation on a personal preference, do you want/need 4k and touch? thats on you to decide
reef tundra
Also good to consider if you need the performance on the go. For me my desktop is doing most of the hardwork and laptop does light compiling mostly,
cursive summit
@reef tundra Rarely
But sometimes we do go on trips
So having the performance and battery life at least for a few hours would be amazing
And yes @ashen spindle it would be great
So we talked about it and if everything goes well, XPS 13 is the choice
zenith sonnet
Alternate.de sent me an email
Saying that their supplier can't meet the announced date for delivery for the CPUs I ordered, and have no further information as of this morning.🤔
reef tundra
Selling stock they dont have lol
zenith sonnet
WHere?
Oh
I already did last week
But tbh, I might cancel that preorder because of the price
It's 120€ too high
zenith sonnet
That said, no pre-orders on AMD.com
Which sucks
They have a fair price
Yeah, I saw Caseking Day 1
And closed them again
old marlin
reef tundra
Nice, good to have people like you.
old marlin
when I order hardware I usually get above the no shipping cost margin on mindfactory
which makes them cheaper
old marlin
HORRIBLE experience in b2b btw
zenith sonnet
b2b?
zenith sonnet
Oh
reef tundra
beer2belly
old marlin
it took them 5 attempts and 2 weeks to send out an invoice like specified in the order
zenith sonnet
But when I need 12x NF-A12x25 fans, Caseking will be cheaper
reef patrol
Selling stock they dont have lol
@reef tundra That can be difficult. Sometimes your distributor was promised things by their distributors.
Or their distributor suddenly decides to sell stuff to someone else. B2B is not particular nice business.
reef tundra
Send.. the.. karens
ashen spindle
@fickle ore https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1325755182769184768 looks like someone did clone Ian and found time for him to test it lul
Twitter
crimson wigeon
Wait hold up 32 GB modules 
hmmm me want 128 GB
crimson wigeon
Oh no.... the miners are gonna grab 'em all..
Although apparently there is a blockchain SKU but ha as if miners are gonna buy that
reef patrol
thick elk
Only thing is that nvidia's cores did get less wide this generation.
pale sigil
I just want me gpu already
cursive summit
@pale sigil Download one
pale sigil
When are they coming out again
pale sigil
Christ that’s ugly
halcyon moss
what wattage does that cpu have?
crisp granite
that thing looks f-ugly
reef patrol
They have some really, really suspect review rules.
You basically buy it - And if they like the review and it has enough views, then they might - might refund you.
crisp granite
bruh
that is not a review
and that kinda pressures a reviewer to give it good reviews so that they sell more
reef patrol
Can't even borrow one and offer to pay part price afterwards. Which is fairly common with products that are too valuable to just hand over to reviewers.
Stuff like monitors. Hard to ship, hard to avoid scuffing slightly - so it will quickly look ugly if you rotate it between a handful of review sites.
crisp granite
true
vagrant marsh
is that...
is that 6800 xt a 6800 xt? you could fool me its just another 3080...
not sure im a fan of the 2 big fans and smaller center fan
i wouldnt mind if it looked futuristici, but atleast make it look...properly futuristic. not like its designed by an imagineless boomer
stuff like that should be the freaking norm
reef patrol
Pew Pew
vagrant marsh
or this. if it wasnt a prebuilt but available for consumers it would be so freaking awesome
i genuinly wanna make my own case now...
a claptrap pc case....
not sure how the radeons are supposed to be better than the nvidia's. the 3080 uses gddr6x, while the radeons still use gddr6
unless memory doesnt matter and its pure the chip
@ashen spindle ur smart. explain
halcyon moss
it a bit of both i guess
ashen spindle
halcyon moss
look up van nueman architecture :p
vagrant marsh
"infinity cache"
i mean, after hearing alot of fancy terms for lots of stuff, im not feeling impressed by something called "infinity cache"
😛
rtx being one of them. though i have to admit that dlss seems to work as advertised
halcyon moss
ive seen some great examples of real time raytracing making it prettier.
cursive summit
AMD was supposed to unveil something
vagrant marsh
oh
cursive summit
One tipster, maybe it was komachi or whatever his name was
Said that today something should have come out
vagrant marsh
well, if ur european, its early in ameriland
maybe later today. they usually do such stuff when its night time in europe
fickle ore
@ashen spindle ram selling out in eu (high bins), you think ddr4 high bin will get restocked anymore?
ashen spindle
uh, yeah
there is still a surplus of flash memory, it might just lag behind for a bit
fickle ore
aight
fickle ore
kinda wanna order a 2nd kit, only 4 in stock anymore
vagrant marsh
doit
crimson wigeon
DEWIT
ashen spindle
only thing that will hurt is your wallet, so 
fickle ore
😛
misty pier
ram market go brrr
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://i.imgur.com/jkvVyYy.png seen that?
ashen spindle
so 10 % for games at the high end
fickle ore
Not sure, and how it affects at DR, these are prob SR
zenith sonnet
If those sticks are 16-18-18, are they really B-die?
fickle ore
no idea
thick elk
ashen spindle
hey nice, got a small box of something I bought on saturday just now
I would post a picture but my phone battery just died a second ago 
but it's a small black/red cube with a fan in it :p
ashen spindle
well the thing thats not a fan inside that is the interesting part :p
oh wow, the fine print even says VR ready
ashen spindle
nah clearly just a VR ready fan :p
cursive summit
Red cube with a fan in it..
cursive summit
I was about to guess this
Even though Fiji is technically dead, I still love the Fury series
reef sluice
VR ready fan lesa
reef sluice
HBeMad
old marlin
let me guess, it is more of a grey than a black as well?
ashen spindle
..is that in a glass case
ashen spindle
lol
crimson wigeon
Just patch out the temperature checks it'll be fiine
halcyon moss
I like the xbox design for that, seems like a decent solution
old marlin
yup
that is why it has more power while having lower volume
can use a big axial fan
and blow air directly through the components
halcyon moss
and more radiating surface
old marlin
instead of having a radial fan sucking air through some vents and trying to push that through the entire chassis to reach the relevant components
PS5 might have a bigger radiating surface
but has more resistance in the chassis
while using a less efficient fan design
means the fan has to run at higher rpm
equaling more noise
fickle ore
Thinking of getting blower style gpu, those 7nm zen 3 cpus seem to be very hot. Might want that exhaust out of the case. Hmm.
ashen spindle
??? wtf did you smoke this morning
fickle ore
?
ashen spindle
even a FE 3080/90 doesnt really affect cpu temps and they literally have one fan blasting heat upwards
fickle ore
Yeah but ppls 5800x hitting 90c's, thinking about blower style gpu to exhaust that additional heat outside
And my IO die will probably produce even more heat with 4x8gb
ashen spindle
uhh, that still tops out at like 15W under max load so I doubt its much
fickle ore
Are blowers that bad you aint recommending no matter what? xD
shadow minnow
Next Apple event is coming 
One more thing. ™️
Are blowers that bad you aint recommending no matter what? xD
@fickle ore blowers are good for specific usecases, otherwise they are bit noisier and hotter compared to non blowers
ashen spindle
you dont want to run your CPU hot so you go with a gpu that will run hot instead?
or at best case equal but will annoy the shit out of you with noise
fickle ore
Yup, I'd rather the gpu would run hotter than both components pool their W together.. But yeah I had not considered the noise..
Good thing is some guy with lancool II mesh + kryonaut + nh-d15 had like 70-80c temps instead of the reported 90's so will see
ashen spindle
if it's about longevity, what do you think fails more often due to heat, a cpu or a gpu where it also cools the VRM on the gpu pcb etc.
fickle ore
gpu ofc but they're switched every 3-4 years anyway, cpu I tend to keep longer
but yeah maybe not blower then
deep barn
me sitting here with a 3300x
fickle ore
@ashen spindle u grumpy
shadow minnow
What about running both GPU and CPU cooler?
Also, nvidia FE card cooler may in most cases actually cool CPUs as it blows air cooler than CPUs
ashen spindle
no I just get annoyed at illogical things xD
also that makes no sense
air that comes in is supposed to be hotter than air that comes in then gets sucked through the gpu cooler?
shadow minnow
Yes but the air that comes out is not that much hotter, and still cooler than CPU
I think I saw some test where temps with FE GPU of CPU were cooler, and also someone talked about it helping. And. Makes sense
ashen spindle
yea it helps if your setup is stupid and you dont have front intake or similar set up
fickle ore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDs6pEVqe_w might be interesting in listening to this
ashen spindle
doubt it, not using unity network system for our network stuff at work
and otherwise not working on an MMO so it's farily different :p
send it to me :p
tender sparrow
Geneva convention more like Geneva suggestion
ashen spindle
just keep it for now incase they do message you
doubt they will but its not like you lose anything for keeping it around to make sure
reef tundra
Act like they will request it back. Also, just so you know, you can plainly refuse to take the package. The postal service will return to sender for no extra cost (for the original receipient)
fair gull
its already delivered if i read it correct
so they already have the ram in hand
@fickle ore i mean i once got a razer blackwidow chroma
and dhl didnt properly scan it when loading onto the car
was 1 day before christmas
i called amazon
said it didnt arrive
and got it refunded
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore Watercool.
ashen spindle
I mean, if they don't ask for it again, I'm down to buy it from you for my build
only have the cpu so far
yeah was going to say, if you refunded it surely you got 2 other kits
hard thicket
looks like the supply stock on the 3070/90 is becoming more stable
more various cards are available, and the prices get lower
ashen spindle
pretty sure for the 3090 a lot of people cancelled their order after long waiting + AMD announcement
thick elk
The problem still remains that the msrp is overly optimistic, so unless nvidia lowers prices cards will still be over msrp
thick elk
That really depends on how much money nvidia charges for the chip + memory.
hard thicket
can be very possible
price aint really insane
it has blazing fast 24gb of vram, which is already pretty expensive
for gaming it is expensive but not for people that plan to use it for work
ashen spindle
sure but many of those can make more use of quadros or titans
thick elk
The cost is mostly about what Nvidia wants it to be. Even if the chip only costs them 1 cent they are still the only supplier and can dictate the price to the oem.
fair gull
still havent seen ml/tensor perf for the new amd cards
hardy idol
you know how stores literally are losing massive amounts of money
because RTX 2000 stock
Like, a 2080 Super would sell for 700 ish?
but unless you put the price below the 3070 or 3060Ti(soon)
you wont be able to sell it
fair gull
so they dont lose money
thick elk
To be fair that's risk of doing business, products get replaced every ones in a while so devaluation of inventory is calculated in.
It's only a small percentage of the total cards sold.
hardy idol
mhm
fickle ore
gief 6700xt for 350$ plox
fair gull
and if u have so many u lose tons if money id rethink stocking strategies of expensive parts
hard thicket
wasn't any different a few years ago when it came to intel CPU's
hardy idol
dunno, i mean
fair gull
i dont even stock cpus, gpus, mainboards or ram
cause no one ever wanted it same day
and next day is easily doable for me
hardy idol
intel is gonna announce 14nm+++++++++++++++++++++ soon
ashen spindle
ye his chips dont do 2000 sadly
mostly just confirms, zen likes interleaving memory
oh also that it doesnt do anyhting if you are gpu bound lmao
fickle ore
ye ofc not
well
it does
but u cant see it on the framerate
seems like SR 4000/15-16cl still king tho
ofc DR 4000/15 if board/imc can do it
zenith sonnet
tl;dw?
ashen spindle
@reef patrol https://videocardz.com/newz/bykski-reveals-water-blocks-for-amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt-and-rx-6800-xt incase you didnt already select a waterblock that might be interresting
reef patrol
Sticking with EK. Don't know bykski at all, and EK is EU based making warranty easier.
ashen spindle
true
hardy idol
same
zenith sonnet
Isn't Bykski like the Us equivalent of EK?
ashen spindle
newegg delivers to the EU?
fickle ore
oh you are EU?
ashen spindle
wouldn't be asking to get your kit for cheap and then pay 50$ shipping lmao
ashen spindle
idk I didn't look at prices I just got a cpu bc thats the only thing that could have supply issues :p
building a full system with new gpu so till then I just slowly start getting parts
fickle ore
what u got?
ashen spindle
5600x
fickle ore
noice
ashen spindle
arrived this morning, ordered it saturday lel
fickle ore
im in a stupid queue
ashen spindle
I'll look at 3600 upwards and see what I can get at a good price
no need to go for extra expensive timings, I'm going to be GPU bound for the most cases anyway
im at 3440x1440
reef patrol
Isn't Bykski like the Us equivalent of EK?
@zenith sonnet No idea. Can't seem to find info on them.
ashen spindle
singe stick 
fickle ore
peasant stick
ashen spindle
well I assume thats stock without XMP or whatever
reef patrol
Single stick... cause I just wanted to POST check it Quint 😛
First POST ever on the board. So no settings of any kind.
I will say though - Mobo manufacturers really need to get in on the USB flashback game on the pricier boards.
reef patrol
Myup.
reef patrol
Well "pricy". It's 175€
It's much more needed when it's a review sample straight from factory.
Which means it is 99% from when it was released and not recent stock xD
ashen spindle
sure, it's not 700 but its also a B and not X board
reef patrol
Also doesn't support 2000 series out of box which sucks. Some boards do if only for flashing 😄
ashen spindle
but I think asrock doesnt have the feature at all
ashen spindle
yeah
gigabyte has it as q-flash but not on most/any amd boards it seems like?
which is weird as there you need it more than the 1-2 gen intel boards
fair gull
really have to say they should get on the replaceable bios game
reef patrol
Meh. A simple ali express rig lets you flash directly on the Mobo.
Not seeing the need for a socket as such - would be nice though of course.
fair gull
like we had a period where most bios chips were socketed
reef tundra
Clockrates are too high nowadays was the problem
zenith sonnet
Did anyone test if 2x 16 GiB DR is equal to 4x8 GiB SR for Zen 3?
thick elk
I think hardware unboxed did and it's pretty similar.
Personally I just wonder about 2x 16gb SR
zenith sonnet
It just as bad as 2x8 GiB
thick elk
I'd think so but I have not seen it tested
thick elk
maybe but higher densities in general can have some impact.
You could also do 2x 32gb dr or 4x 16gb dr.
zenith sonnet
Only SR vs DR, timings, and clock matter
reef tundra
double the io potential
zenith sonnet
We're talking about 16 GiB single rank sticks
Which should offer no benefit over 8 GiB SR sticks at all, given equal timings
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet Some daisy chain motherboards have it easier with 4x8gb SR vs 2x16gb DR
some motherboards like 2DPC SR and some 1DPC DR
zenith sonnet
https://youtu.be/-UkGu6A-6sQ?t=1427
Wait a sec
Listen at the timestamp
2x 16 SR > 4x8 SR > 2x8 SR?
fickle ore
just a mistaken prob
pale sigil
Wait
zenith sonnet
I guess
zenith sonnet
If he meant 2x16 DR, then it makes sense
zenith sonnet
Get this
F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC
pale sigil
Make me
zenith sonnet
Unless you have a 100 bucks extra for
F4-3600C16D-32GTZN (same kit, but B-die)
thick elk
This comment is exactly why I wonder about 2x 16gb sr
zenith sonnet
Did Wendell make a video about the topic himself?
fickle ore
@pale sigil got money? 4x8 4500/18 kits
if budget 4x8 4400/19
if peasant get whatever
fickle ore
how much u wanna spend on ram?
pale sigil
Idk
zenith sonnet
I gave you the lazy to watch :p
reef patrol
You're still in the EU for a smol bit xD
ashen spindle
What’s your resolution again callum? Was it 1080p?
zenith sonnet
Is that kit B-die, @fickle ore ?
pale sigil
I ain’t paying 200 euros
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet Yepp its b-die
pale sigil
also no
fickle ore
19-19-36
pale sigil
1440p
zenith sonnet
Better bin than the 3600 C16 G.Skill kit? I notice it's higher voltage, so it may be the same
ashen spindle
Ok then get some 3600 or 3800 kit whatever is cheaper and you are good to go
You will be gpu bound so you can ignore the memory after that
zenith sonnet
At 1.47V my G.Skill kit runs 3666 C14-13-13
pale sigil
Hell pc
zenith sonnet
So, probably not
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet hard to say, 3600/16 gskill kit might as good, but probably different die. There is A0 B-die, A1 B-die, A2 B-die
that kit I linked its A2 which is good for high clocks
zenith sonnet
How to find out?
fickle ore
whats your kit?
zenith sonnet
F4-3600C16D-32GTZN
ashen spindle
Yeah 4x8 3600 will be just fine for you
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet theres a program typhoon something that can see what pcb it is
zenith sonnet
Why not get 2x16? It's usually cheaper than 4x8
pale sigil
Cos of the video?
ashen spindle
But do you need 32gb? If not 2x8 will also be fine
pale sigil
10% gain right?
fickle ore
2x16 DR is same as 4x8 SR
pale sigil
So confused
ashen spindle
Pls callum don’t be like one of these YouTube commenters, do you need more than 16gb yes or no?
pale sigil
Lol I’m going 32gb aye
reef tundra
You really need to open that huge xml file
ashen spindle
Ok, so get whatever is cheaper, 2x16 or 4x8 won’t matter
fickle ore
pale sigil
Then what’s the video about lol
ashen spindle
It’s about not gpu bound cases
fickle ore
yours is probably A2, as its the NEO kit, Xeanoa
ashen spindle
if that is cheaper sure
pale sigil
Omfg
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet if your new system boots download that program to besure
zenith sonnet
@fickle ore What do you mean?
ashen spindle
jfc I dont know whats cheaper in your stupid brexit land
price is literally the only thing that matters in tis case
fair gull
does anyone want a free gigabyte b450m s2h?
zenith sonnet
Yeah? That's how I made that screen snip
pale sigil
Me
hardy idol
does anyone want a free b450m s2h?
@fair gull i mean sure
zenith sonnet
😄
hardy idol
I'll just go drive to u again
hardy idol
what
zenith sonnet
I need to think about cooling my RAM better, though
Right now I can just feed it more voltage to be stable
But not sure if I can still do that if it clocks higher with a 5950X
hardy idol
watercool it
reef tundra
Liquid nitrogen
zenith sonnet
Technically, B-die is rated for 1.5V @ 85 or 95°C, so I've loads of headroom
But more temp = less stable
One thing, though
I wish I could just delete the damn XMP profile
It's bad
fair gull
@pale sigil ?
reef tundra
More temp=>less resistance in the semiconductor=>effeciency
reef tundra
febuari 30th?
fair gull
@pale sigil im so fuckin confused
ashen spindle
@reef patrol looks like you got lucky that you ended up with not ampere for watercooling, based on Igors latest video, the manufacturing tolerances seem to have loosened up compared to turing so if you were unlucky you'd need to try and fiddle with thermalpads to get the results you want
alos, thats a lot of dedidated WAM https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326180061477810178
fair gull
@pale sigil seriously im so confused rn and i feel like i forgot smth actually important
ashen spindle
I think hes just referencing that vi drove to your place for the server
pale sigil
Yes
fair gull
im still so confused
shadow minnow
iPhone got from being bad at night mode to being best with 12 pro max
fair gull
i think my iq isnt high enough to get the joke callum made
ashen spindle
well they better have something to justify the price increase for the max model
fair gull
@pale sigil sorry for not getting it 😟
reef patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGux0pANft0
Didn't you ask about RAM, @pale sigil
ashen spindle
yeah but he cba to make a conclusion for himself
ashen spindle
powered by Intel® Cryo Cooling Technology
bc on amd you can just use a decent cooler and are fine 
old marlin
And useless for subzero cooling
old marlin
Actually yes
shadow minnow
Power consumption
old marlin
At some point it will get worse than just a regular block
shadow minnow
Actually yes
@old marlin with bigger TEC you can get subzero cooling with enough cooling
At some point it will get worse than just a regular block
@old marlin true, that depends on how much cooling are you able to provide to tec
reef patrol
TLDR; So much RAM now is dual rank, so it doesn't matter if you use two or four dimms.
ashen spindle
uhh more of the opposite
reef patrol
That's not what I got from both videos 😄
ashen spindle
we get 16gb SR sticks now so 16gb is no longer guaranteed to be DR
fickle ore
TLDR; buying ram sucks
ashen spindle
quite the opposite, dealing with ram is one of the last things where you can do some stuff to get more performance
everything else is boring with gpu boost, PBO etc.
fair gull
idk man i never even consider my ram choices as already mentioned
@pale sigil u actually want the mb or not?
pale sigil
no
fickle ore
FUCK
Noctua NH-D15 ram clearance 32mm, ram kit 44m -> pushes fan up by 12mm.. Noctua NH-D15 cooler 165mm height + 12mm -> 177mm. Lian Li Lancool II mesh performance spec 176mm cpu cooler clearance. 1mm short, FFUUU
ashen spindle
put the fan on the other side done
fickle ore
its not designed with that config in mind
ashen spindle
sure but I doubt you'll lose much
fickle ore
glass sidepanels :kekw:
ashen spindle
the fan you mean
wheat plume
How I download Java without needing to create an Oracle account and give them all my data?
windows :/
ashen spindle
make an account and dont give them real data?
fickle ore
aku ankka
wheat plume
they need a real email to send you a link to confirm .-.
fickle ore
10minmail
fair gull
@hardy idol u actually want the mb
hardy idol
@hardy idol u actually want the mb
@fair gull if someone else wants it then no, because i already have my stuff running
Give it to someone else who needs it more
vagrant marsh
Finally. An email further and a couple of days the webshop just send me a confirmation they are in the process of returning my.money.
vagrant marsh
What is chocolatey?
ashen spindle
just take a spam mail and sign up
you are just making this complicated for not reasons
plush summit
ashen spindle
im way to confused how you dont already have an email for spam anyway
vagrant marsh
A work email and a spam email. Then there is an email for google. Then an email in case my main email ever gets banned on forums. And there is always a random email generator.
old marlin
wtf
you can actual order that cooler master cooler already
350 euros
- a nice electricity bill
ashen spindle
cant wait for them to release a bundle wiht rocket lake
and then with Malder Lake it gets ditched entirely again
old marlin
reef tundra
Cold goes in, Hot goes out, RGB is life
wheat plume
nanni
vagrant marsh
wait a freaking minute. does this thing work as an airco?
reef tundra
In other words they want to know whether the realworld performance is in the same order as the expected performance. N, N^2 N^3, NlogN etc
Or it works on the peltier effect. Airco needs a compressor and radiator to work (effectively)
ashen spindle
It’s an AiO with peltier added
reef tundra
Basically huge amounts of thermocouples
reef tundra
It is important to cool its hotside as the cool side can only deviate that much from the hot side.
vagrant marsh
regular closed coolers got the problem that gunk can collect on the cpu cooler part or inside the radiator. now, more electric parts are added to that equation of possible malfunctions
im sure they tested it properly, but still
ashen spindle
That only really happens on bad coolers
fickle ore
Damnit. All aircooler's baseplate is convex because of intel concave IHS. While Ryzen has convex IHS and would do best with concave/flat heatsink baseplate..... Probably explains zen 3 high temp what people are seeing on the reddit..
zenith sonnet
It's always been like that
ashen spindle
no your issue is you care about anything someone said on reddit
get your pc, put it together, then adjust if you really do run into issue which I heavily doubt
reef tundra
Then again.. peltier modules are isolated packages with basically two metals besides the casing(+filler)
vagrant marsh
i think im gonna stick with air coolers since they are less likely to break down on ya
and...less pricy to begin with
reef tundra
an aircooler will fail first before an peltier module. unless it is on fire
it is not the most effecient method of cooling stuff tho
vagrant marsh
yea, but the watercooling part can still fail.
fickle ore
@zenith sonnet yeah not much you can do about that, just lap it I guess
reef tundra
Yes, pretty complex on the electron level
vagrant marsh
yea, but its cavemen science. atleast, that movie was. it shows what a peltier module does, but if you told me its magic, i wouldave believe it
you just run electricity through it and behold, water turns to ice
ashen spindle
Then watch der8auers video from like 2 years ago where he made his own peltier cooler
reef tundra
you can use elastic bands and their expansion, contraction bahavior to cool. Since it heats up when contracted, which you can passively cool down and then let go again. Which causes the elastic to cool down noticable
ashen spindle
ah yeah, the difficult one is noob and the one where you just pour a liquid is not noob things..
reef tundra
Explosive risk?
vagrant marsh
still, taht sub zero masterliquid only works with the latest intel cpu's
shouldnt it just work for everything
seems like a niche market
ashen spindle
software is getting update for 8th and 9th gen too
vagrant marsh
yea, but no amd?
ashen spindle
yeah sure, intel will definitely work on an intel product to make it work on amd...
urban lynx
i dont think i heard of liquid nitrogen exploding yet
reef tundra
You want the chip to stay somewhat warm to prevent it from becoming an electrical insulator
vagrant marsh
cooler master could eventually say they make this, or maybe a similar product available for amd
i mean, this one is intel funded, the ml 460 or whatever could be for everyone
vagrant marsh
a noctua?
reef tundra
yes a brand
vagrant marsh
i dont know much about cooler brands in the first place. i just saw the be quiet! dark rock pro 4 and was like "need it". i would have dropped it tho if it was too big for my memory to fit
ashen spindle
noctua is usually just the best
unless you care about looks and dont like the brown
vagrant marsh
yea, the brown puts me off a bit
ashen spindle
though multiple parts are also in black now
reef tundra
even 3d printers will run those fans
ashen spindle
just not all variants
vagrant marsh
i just saw this as one of the best cooler when tested at the time on gamersnexus
and those closed liquid coolers seemed like too much of a hassle for me
reef tundra
Water is a cheater anyways
vagrant marsh
im not complaining tho. i think i do 65 degrees when gaming, which is alot less than the 85 my previous system did
crimson wigeon
Oh what's this about Apple anyway
reef tundra
we need to keep the doctors away
ashen spindle
Arm Mac
crimson wigeon
Excellent
ashen spindle
with apple claiming to invent new shit that was already done 8 years ago
quite boring
crimson wigeon
Can't wait for the shocked pikachu when people buy those and wonder why they can't install other OSes on them
ashen spindle
what they mentioned so far is that they invented AMD's Kaveri and Windows' UWP
reef tundra
Apple is known for their false claims of discovering old techniques
ashen spindle
Kaveri was 6 years ago, when did UWP launch?
crimson wigeon
Windows 8 so 2012 technically or 2015 if you want to be pedantic
ashen spindle
so yeah, apple is inventing 6 year old tech
cursive summit
What's the point of even buy a Mac tablet or whatever they call it when iOS is still barely supported
crimson wigeon
Apple actually got developers by the balls though so it'll actually be used
reef tundra
That is like yesterday small difference, apple disovered gravity aswell
crimson wigeon
Whereas does MS even remember UWP exists
cursive summit
Apple discovered a new way to gauge money out of consumers
Buy the charger, if you want to charge your phone
ashen spindle
yes cool, this is not about the phones though
cursive summit
Ah we are talking about phones
reef tundra
They will charge an entry fee if they could get away with it
old marlin
apple also "invented" desktops
reef tundra
Apple also invented the moon
cursive summit
Apple did technically invent the smartphone now didn't they?
cursive summit
Wasn't the original iPhone the first smartphone?
old marlin
they were never really relevant in that regard though
reef tundra
it was made somewhere in 1980-2000 i think
old marlin
1992
old marlin
was teh first device classifieable as a PDA
crimson wigeon
No but it could be considered the first one with the current smartphone design of slab with only touchscreen
old marlin
otherwise
this uggo from IBM did all the things you would list as requirements for a smartphone
1994
reef tundra
remember Apple was a very tiny company in the 90s
old marlin
crimson wigeon
Yes on the brink of collapsing actually until Microsoft bailed them out
or somethingl ike that
reef tundra
yes, anti-trust lawsuit forced them
reef tundra
Apple would most likely have bankrupted if they did not get that boost
Microsoft would make sure of that
fickle ore
K found an option for 44mm ram.. NH-D15 or NH-D15S with front fan NF-A12x25. Get to keep both ram and lian li lancool II mesh with that option.
crimson wigeon
Either way, ARM MACS FINALLY! Now for PCs to copy and fail horribly...
fickle ore
@old marlin no it wont work, pull is noticeably worse than push
old marlin
huh
fickle ore
yeah its designed for push
crimson wigeon
Anyway clicked back on the stream waow I NEED A MAC MINI
cursive summit
The fuck's the point of Arm?
old marlin
efficiency
reef tundra
i86 has been slowly morhed towards an risc like architecture with it 1000s of bloated instructions
old marlin
like wtf
cursive summit
So x86 is woefully inefficient compared to a Arm's RISC?
crimson wigeon
699 WAOW!
ashen spindle
it's risc vs cisc design
cursive summit
old marlin
still cheaper than their laptops ig
crimson wigeon
fuck Ryzen I'm just gonna get APPLE SILICON MAC for all my needs
old marlin
also 900 euros for an old af macbook air that does not even have 14nm
that seems quite a bit better
reef tundra
Yes, x86 is still forced to be compatable with their original design that was rushed in weeks and when new things were added all future models now have to support it with strict backwardscompatibily
cursive summit
Ain't this shit much superior to "Mac mini"?
cursive summit
That's a lot of 0s
old marlin
"much" is an understatement
crimson wigeon
But how does it compare to the CPU in the new mini that is supposedly 3X faster
old marlin
just the fact that you can swap the system drive
reef tundra
Bussinesses liked x86 because old stuff still worked
cursive summit
Has Intel even updated their NUCs for Tiger lake?
old marlin
@crimson wigeon supposedly?
cursive summit
Tiger Lake NUC would be ballers
crimson wigeon
Apple marketing numbers
old marlin
ah yes
reef tundra
Because its microstore doesnt have to know thousands of differend instructions that may or may not be in hardware
crimson wigeon
Waow I need the new MBP for all my machine learning needs!!
reef tundra
ARM is like 50 instructions
cursive summit
Isn't this a fairly decent deal?
old marlin
well yes
vagrant marsh
but its trash
old marlin
in comparison to a mac mini for sure
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh How else will I get a tiny ass form factor PC 😄
old marlin
probably beats the highest end one
reef tundra
The minimal amount of instuctions needed to make a turing complete processor is 1
old marlin
in CPU perf at least
vagrant marsh
raspberry
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh A gaming PC?
old marlin
@reef tundra ok, can't wait to see someone make an efficient CPU that can just to NAND
crimson wigeon
Secure enclave best in class security features so you can't put what you want on your expensive computer
vagrant marsh
you can play 1990 games on a raspberry maybe :p
cursive summit
@vagrant marsh Now 4K titles? 😄
old marlin
doom 2 runs in 4k
reef tundra
Less instructions doesnt mean faster performance, in the end. But with only the subtract instruction you would be able to compute anything computable
reef patrol
doom 2 runs in 4k
@old marlin I should hope so. It's been out for over two decades and a bit.
old marlin
I'd like to think my laptop can run doom 2 in 8k as well
crimson wigeon
Aw yes zero waste
I hope any reasonably recent computer can handle Doom 2 at 16K no problem
reef tundra
Every pixel concumed
vagrant marsh
uhhh
old marlin
whatever you want to say
vagrant marsh
wtf
crimson wigeon
mein leben
reef tundra
Calm down, Romeo
old marlin
MEIN LEBEN
crimson wigeon
THE CHIME IS BACK
reef tundra
nein
reef patrol
You've clearly never played Wolfenstein 3D if that German quote doesn't ring a bell
vagrant marsh
i just found this random ass allen head screw on hte floor
i think its from my chair
cursive summit
Lads does Amazon do good black friday discounts?
I'm in market for a really good router
reef tundra
I find random resistors on the floor. but cant be bothered to try to read the blue ones
cursive summit
Hoping for a hefty 40-50% discount on a WiFi6 router, is that possible?
ashen spindle
lol
reef tundra
you steal it
ashen spindle
not for a working one
reef tundra
and pay the fine
ashen spindle
ya on not good products they give a lot of discount
cursive summit
Mine is dead basically, can't keep up with the connection
old marlin
"emergency"
not like pfsense is actually one of the better solutions out there
or do you mean AP?
cursive summit
I don't intend to have any APs in my house
reef tundra
Its a router, its a switch, and it even gives an access point to the internet
cursive summit
I don't intend to buy any additional APs cause I can't be arsed to do any wiring
misty pier
🤔
cursive summit
If it does mesh, that's cool, but still no need
vagrant marsh
man, half the screws of my chair were loose. i think im gonna use fitting glue to keep them in place if i cant trust the washers
reef tundra
That would be an job for a stronger antenna or repeaters
cursive summit
Man I just need a good wifi6 router, mine is a shitty 300/433
misty pier
do you need wifi 6?
ashen spindle
you know apple marketing is shit when Intel makes fun of it
crimson wigeon
Intel making fun what where
ashen spindle
ryan on twitter joking about the claims they make wiht no citation etc.
crimson wigeon
Apple wouldn't lie to us!
misty pier
gotcha, well good luck then
ashen spindle
well they forgot to mention its all only for low power silicon
they dont even say in the disclaimer what they tested
cursive summit
What are you linking?
ashen spindle
their disclaimer
cursive summit
I need the URL 😄
ashen spindle
dont have one
reef tundra
low-power? how many microamps does it run?
wheat plume
Prettyyyyyyyyy
misty pier
what is that
wheat plume
Files app on the windows store
misty pier
huh it's kind of cool
wheat plume
wheat plume
is mostly as feature rich as most people need it seems
for some reason , the acrylic effects arent enabled by default, you need to enable them in the app settings
misty pier
yeah
it doesn't have cloud integrations like the regular one
or I probably have to add them manually
wheat plume
onedrive is there