VRM wise it's literally equal
#🔌│tech
ashen spindle
no
ashen spindle
you basically pay for the option to have a fan on your PCB chipset, that is not the better option
hard thicket
i personally own, and owned like 6 different x570 boards over the past year, non of them caused an issue when it comes to the chipset fan
from noise complaints over to failure due to too high chipset temperatures, even under pcie4.0 loads
including my current main board which even has two fans, one for the VRM and one for the chipset
ashen spindle
oh i didnt mean to imply its bad or anything, but he isn't really gaining anything aside from the fan
ashen spindle
yeah and I doubt he'll even use a single pcie4 ssd
fickle ore
Probably some other crap in how the chipset is built and whats in there
and routing differences
ashen spindle
the chipset is literally an IO die lmao
fickle ore
yep
hard thicket
digging this one so badly recently https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-VISION-D-rev-10
ashen spindle
anyway, x570 only makes sense for him if there is no b550 that has the features he needs/ if the prices are weird and x570 is cheaper
ah yes, hide the only part I care about
why not show the entire IO there ffs
ashen spindle
ashen spindle
do tthey even do 5? I though after 2.5 most go to 10
ashen spindle
no I meant consumer boards in general
hard thicket
oh, there are some
ashen spindle
I only really notice 1/2.5/10
ashen spindle
tomahawk
hard thicket
i personally recommend asus stuff
ashen spindle
550 tomahawk is also decent if availible
hard thicket
just because of the bios.
but in the end it comes alone onto you, preference in IO ? usage ?
pale sigil
its so fugly
im not that bothered about value that much
or well i am
im happy to spend up to 200 pounds
ashen spindle
yeah you are not going to go for looks in that price area
there, look at what you need
and take a look at options
fickle ore
Another difference under the hood for x570/b550 is that X570 has a pcie 4 link to the ethernet controller vs pcie 3 on the b550 (didnt know that actually) 🙂
ashen spindle
m8 boards go up to like 700$
hard thicket
well looks start truly at the expensive stuff
pale sigil
ashen spindle
you are not getting your favorite look at low midrange prices
hard thicket
and look, is something
only you can decide on
dont ask people for recommendations there lol
fickle ore
x570 tomahawk has VRM that usually in the 300€+ bracket boards, it's actually very good. Like only Aorus Master (400€ board) has better temps and then some 700€ boards
pale sigil
200 quid is midrange?!?!?!?
ashen spindle
m8 boards go up to like 700$
hard thicket
extra exotic
ashen spindle
formula and godlike are both 700
ashen spindle
I speak of the watercooling part, not the price
hard thicket
the aorus xtreme as example, offers a VRM enough to OC a 3990x
ashen spindle
anyway, look at the two sites I linked
you first need to figure out what IO etc. you want
that will already limit your choices
pale sigil
"god like"
ashen spindle
they use the name like every generation
fickle ore
oh one thing, you want a mobo with usb flash bios or w/e the heck they call it when you dont need a processor to update bios
reef patrol
Why are people suggesting X570 xD
Callum is a casual pleb who will never need more than B550.
fickle ore
What's wrong with x570 tomahawk again?
ashen spindle
incase b550 is out of stock or doesnt have the IO he needs
and the tomahawk for 180ish is a good option
reef patrol
The ugly ass fan for one. But that's more of a 570 issue in general 😄
pale sigil
shame its intel
pale sigil
lol
reef patrol
If I had a spare B550 I'd sell it to ya. But I only have the one I need and then 3 Intels xD
pale sigil
doesnt have the IO he needs
As long as i have USB C, Flash to BIOS, USB 3 and max 2 USB 2
me happy
ashen spindle
ok so click the second link I posted and find what suits you and then decide what look you prefer
reef patrol
Tomahawk doesn't have USB flashback if that's what you're looking for.
So you'll still need some help there.
ashen spindle
idk mansen that looks like bios flash to me
crimson wigeon
Yeah, flash, not flashback
ashen spindle
reef patrol
....eh?
hard thicket
mean the bios flash button..
reef patrol
Not sure what that has to do with the battery though 😄
hard thicket
uhm the battery is for the bios storage
reef patrol
No it isn't.
Removing the battery will just make the motherboard forget settings. Not the contents of the BIOS rom itself.
If it did, you'd brick your motherboard if the battery died 😄
pale sigil
MSI boards offer flash without a cpu
hard thicket
wait what
reef patrol
Yes - We know.
pale sigil
EHHHH
ashen spindle
yes, the stuff on the rear is to put an usb stick in with a bios and you can flash that onto the chip instead of having to do it with a cpu in it
pale sigil
RAM IS GOING UP
ashen spindle
no
reef patrol
Yeah flashback is great. Should be standard.
ashen spindle
you are most definitely just looking at overpriced ram sticks
think it is for msi and asus boards now
pale sigil
fickle ore
thankfully dimms are populated on the 2nd and 4th slot but dunno
pale sigil
that price
reef patrol
My D15 is mounted literally like that. Sure the fans are a bit higher than optimal, but that's because I have tall ass RAM 😛
ashen spindle
unify x also has 2 less ram slots??
fickle ore
yepp
ashen spindle
yeah so more room from that alone
pale sigil
.de
pale sigil
only 16gb
fickle ore
u need more?
fickle ore
wot for
reef patrol
It's 4400.
fickle ore
Whats 32gb good for?
fickle ore
ah
reef patrol
Moar RGB of course.
ashen spindle
just use pagefile 4head
reef patrol
Why get fake RGB sticks when you can get double RAM.
fickle ore
pagefile LUL
pale sigil
tbh
reef patrol
Also... I just steal RAM from my testbench when it isn't in use.
pale sigil
i use around 9gb without even playing games
reef patrol
Got a set of silver and a set of gold Gskills
pale sigil
im always using most of my ram
pale sigil
ashen spindle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh2Q61LWVA8 just get something from here, depending on how far you want to go with OC and you're set
pale sigil
i closed some shit
fickle ore
might get another set of the 4400/19's if ppl can hit 4000/15 DR lol
totally not worth tho
pale sigil
5900X - 300pc
5800X - 100pc
5600X - 100pc
Pretty much confirmed i aint getting my cpu next week
😄
amount coming in tue
Apparently ocuk have 3k pre orders on the 5600x
10k ordered (that ocuk ordered from amd)
3000 needed to be filled that are pre orders
pale sigil
pale sigil
Ye it’s pretty bad
elder jackal
timid chasm
I wanna see how much the SAM affects gameplay then I'll decide if I want a 5th gen. I'm really just in it for a 4k upgrade atm and if it helps that then great otherwise eh
vagrant marsh
Not sure how reliable this is, but our main tech site seems to know the orders of the main 3 webshops in the benelux
ALOT of people ordered the 5900x
halcyon moss
so about 300 too 400 for each shop
why not link the actual article instead of a picture?
fickle ore
@ashen spindle https://www.reddit.com/r/blackdesertonline/comments/jpdmoa/5800x_performance_300fps_after_after_the_change/
ashen spindle
god damn thats nice
granted its from random people so I 100% trust they also screwed something else up to make it worse before
but still nice to see
fickle ore
how the f.. Its so damn good
another sandybridge or even better
ye anyway mmorpgs like 8 cores
ashen spindle
we dont really see that
it could be that with a 5600x he wouldve gotten +295 instead of 300 fps or so
vagrant marsh
pale sigil
My friend got this a few weeks ago but never used it
vagrant marsh
not everyone here is dutch 😛
ashen spindle
does it have all the IO you need and such?
doesnt have any flash option btw so make sure to ask him to update the bios for you if you do get it
pale sigil
Not the newest
ashen spindle
yes but which one
pale sigil
Idk nor does he because he doesn’t have a 3rd gen cpu lol
He was going to lend one off someone to flash it
vagrant marsh
x570 boards are naturally working with 3000 and 5000 series cpu's right?
vagrant marsh
cant find much about the asus tuf board on youtube other than promotional. mostly seems to be sending a budget x570 message.
hardware unboxed seem to rate it quite highly
ashen spindle
doesnt really matter as he's just using it with a lower end part anyway
vagrant marsh
yea, if ur just gonna use a 3600, a b550 should be plenty.
ashen spindle
so as long as there is nothing big broken and has the IO he needs, it'll be fine
vagrant marsh
i bought a 570 at the time cause i was already planning on upgrading to the 5900 anyways
vagrant marsh
lower than the 3600?.
ashen spindle
it is literally the lowest end they release wtf oyu want
vagrant marsh
3200g?
ashen spindle
yes and??
I said lower end bc thats what it is
doesnt mean I'm saying you get a bad thing
vagrant marsh
5600x isnt lower end i think
ashen spindle
its the lowest end zen3 you can buy
pale sigil
I wanted and tried to get a 5800x f
ashen spindle
that isnt a shot or anything
vagrant marsh
i think they are still gonna release the 5100 and 5300's and such
ashen spindle
thats literally just what it is
vagrant marsh
i know @pale sigil . everything is sold out. and the few places that still got some left overcharge for them
ashen spindle
anyway, the VRM wont matter as it's a LOWER END PART so you should just chose the cheaperst board with the IO parts you need and it'll be fine
pale sigil
I got a 5600x and I’m sticking with it
vagrant marsh
hey, good for you. its still a good cpu
ashen spindle
????
look if there are 4 options, and one is at the bottom, that one is the lower end
doesnt matter if its 200 or 4500$ in cost
that doesnt relate to performance thats just what it is
ashen spindle
it doesnt matter
reef tundra
pickle rik
vagrant marsh
if you want a good x570 for a decent price, that asus tuf seems good
iself got a X570 aorus pro. i liked the falcon on hte box.
hmm. is the elite, not the pro
ashen spindle
150 for the board is a good deal, so check the IO, if you are fine with it, take it
ashen spindle
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/AMD-Ryzen-5-5600X-6x-3-70GHz-So-AM4-BOX_1380726.html in stock btw
pale sigil
Guessing that ain’t aimed at me
ashen spindle
in general, just noticed it
also kinda at you for panicking and thinking you cant get one
ashen spindle
youre still in england not ireland so it'll be manageable :p
pale sigil
Most places you have to wait till end of dec
ashen spindle
nah thats just them listing a date they think they can meet
pale sigil
No that’s them telling people how much stock they are getting Tuesday
On the forums
And how many backorders they have
ashen spindle
yeah and they dont know the exact stocks they will get and when
so most of those will be better off in terms of when youll get it
pale sigil
They do, they were told only 100 5600xs next week lol
ashen spindle
yeah but they dont know what they get in 2 weeks
pale sigil
Probably the same they said lol
They also said that they expect a small % to be lost or stolen during transit so it may not be 100
ashen spindle
yeah except they cant know that bc AMD obviously changes who gets how much based on demand
pale sigil
Either way most vendors are insanely out of stock and will probably struggle to keep up demand till Dec
vagrant marsh
@ashen spindle i also notice some shops having the 5600x in stock, however, most of them sell it for a higher price as well
pale sigil
That too
pale sigil
Lul
vagrant marsh
and that other one sells it for 399, from a discount of 431
i think i rather wait for the main webshops to stock up and buy it for only 320
but i really want to have the 5900x
i dunno. i got hte money so why not
pale sigil
Don't blame you
ashen spindle
get better ram/gpu instead, you will get more for your money there
pale sigil
I wanted the 5800x but it was just impossible to buy
And im kinda glad I didn't get it now
The money I saved will get me new ram
vagrant marsh
get a better gpu. which better gpu. gpu 1 that is out of stock or gpu 2 that is out of stock?
ashen spindle
18
vagrant marsh
im not gonna believe for a second amd's graphics cards will also be in stock for longer than an hour
ashen spindle
oh yeah for sure
pale sigil
I'm gonna try and get them
vagrant marsh
and even then, given the driver issues the previous ones had, im gonna wait for reviews anyways
ashen spindle
doesnt change that getting a more expensive cpu instead of using the money for something else isn't going to make your system go faster
ashen spindle
you made it stressful on yourself for no reason 
pale sigil
Bro
I wouldn't have got a cpu till late Dec
Calling it
Hmmm
What case to get what case to get
ashen spindle
oh and btw you can see how many mindfactory sold, 2160 5600x, if that's their launch allocation, I REALLY doubt the UK stores only get 100 a week
cursive summit
The EPYC 7713 is already very fast, with results for the CPU Arithmetic tests that sometimes outperform a quad Intel Xeon Platinum (Cascade Lake-SP) system.
What
Quad Xeons = single Epyc?
How overpriced is Intel's shit then since they sell them for like 20 grand?
ashen spindle
well duh, if previous gens could do that in certain tests already
latest high end prices btw
cursive summit
Epyc's don't reach 10k iirc?
ashen spindle
depends
that one is a special SKU anyway
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15542/intel-updates-2nd-gen-xeon-scalable-family-with-new-skus here are most recent prices afaik
ashen spindle
https://www.semiaccurate.com/2020/11/07/a-long-look-at-amds-zen-3-core-and-chips/ nice writeup if you want a technical dive that isnt too extreme in depth into what zen3 changed vs zen2
zenith sonnet
Mindfactory sold over 2000 pcs and still has stock 😮
ashen spindle
2022 seems accurate, reddit I dont trust on anything so I aint opening the link
cursive summit
Dunno I was pretty sure I heard AMD saying Zen 4 release is 2021
ashen spindle
nope they never said anything about that
cursive summit
Might have been AdoredTV or shit like that then
thick elk
They did put it in a roadmap for 2021 some time ago.
However considering the time between zen 2 and 3 by that same timespan we would be looking at march 2022.
I think that would be a reasonable assumption.
also somewhat similar to the time between zen+ and zen2
reef patrol
pale sigil
F
ashen spindle
Email Logitech/hyperx etc. and say you want a lot and will post pictures of you get them for free 
old marlin
ashen spindle
delidding gone wrong https://twitter.com/FritzchensFritz/status/1325088744790167553
(nsfw, heavy gore)
ashen spindle
? that says 3070
pale sigil
There's a few of them
cursive summit
I see 2060s and 3070s
And I think I just saw a fake 2060 labeled "2050"
The fuck is a 2050
ashen spindle
either way, just a picture of a shop on a normal day
pale sigil
Ye
ashen spindle
P300A
hard thicket
derbauer confirmed that the FCLK of zen 3 can be 2000mhz
reef patrol
Lot of good, cheap cases out there.
Finding ones without plexi/tempered glass is harder 😄
ashen spindle
I linked him a list, he didn't want to chose one, so I just named one thats ok
reef patrol
P300A or P400A if he wants a slightly fancier model.
ashen spindle
shh you're scaring it, don't present any choices
reef patrol
pale sigil
You linked me a list?
ashen spindle
pale sigil
@ashen spindle what material is a gpu processor made out of
ashen spindle
.. silicon
pale sigil
thought so
i know that sounds retarded, i just wanted to check.
Righty
i was thinking of tantalum
Which is part of it
@ashen spindle have you ever heard the termp gpu crystal
ashen spindle
uhh no
ashen spindle
do they mean a silicon crystal that is cut into wavers where they make the gpu die from?
zenith sonnet
Isn't tantalum used for temperature sensors?
wheat plume
can someone do my data structures project for me? .-. it makes no sense :/
wheat plume
yeah....
but its so jank idk how to do it, the code she gave us is the most shitty thing ever
even the code we got for software testing was wayyy better
crisp granite
ask around your class for help
wheat plume
its just this garbage that spits out the word we type in
wheat plume
yeah...... .-.
crisp granite
I hate Canadian ISPs
crisp granite
they ream your ass on price and provide ultra slow speeds, than treat you like it's a privilege to get internet from them when you go to customer service
the customer service is donkey shit every time
wheat plume
Searching "LinkedList big OH value " into google no show anything that shows a value of some sort
im looking through the API now
SHE MEANT BIG O NOTATION .-. I swear to fuck she hasnt a clue wtf she is even doing
"Big Oh Value"
fair gull
big o is a bit weird anyway
most of the time people want Theta(n)
but technically O(n) can be anything that takes >= n time
so O(n) is technically also O(n^2)
just had a deep discussion yesterday about big o being kinda shit for determining complexity
wheat plume
idk how to get the value for these tho ;-;
or how to use VisualVM
time to look at videos about it
wheat plume
The irony
fair gull
so much iron
misty pier
fe
wheat plume
:')
wheat plume
HAUWEI WILL BE ABLE TO USE GOOGLE SERVICES AND APPS AGAIN
In theory, Unless Biden is also paranoid AF about China
ashen spindle
ah yes, finally you can have chinese AND american spying on you again at the same time
wheat plume
not just America! cant let them have that monopoly
ashen spindle
I really hope Biden isn’t doing a full reverse on China policy just to appease to media and co
wheat plume
At least let hauwei use google shit again if they want to
They probably dont want to at this point, they seem fairly self sufficient
cursive summit
Fuck me
Would a raspberry Pi with some custom androidish CFW and a touchscreen slapped on top be "secure"?
ashen spindle
Secure for what?
tender sparrow
About as secure as you can get without disconnecting it from the network
wheat plume
Yeah, secure for what? youll need to disable SSH and all other ports to be even more secure
like on any PC
cursive summit
No american chinese spyware bs
tender sparrow
Just don't go online rofl
tender sparrow
Linux is a joke when it comes to security
wheat plume
windows is...
tender sparrow
Linux is like Mac, it's only "more" secure because there are less people using it
cursive summit
How bout something ancient.. like UNIX?
cursive summit
I haven't heard of Amiga in ages
crimson wigeon
Onlyyy AmiiiiIIiiGaaAAaaAa maakes it possibul!
wheat plume
use TempleOS and achieve divine intellect
reef patrol
wheat plume
But if you choose to use TempleOS, you will take on an incredible debt to the divine lord of Davis.
To pay off the debt of using such OS, you are required to run over all the glow in the dark CIA members you see out in the wild
That will be sure to make lord davis happy
.
tender sparrow
I glow in the dark apparently
wheat plume
EZ mode desktop file for Wootility
wait, It didnt let me do this before....
XInput works in Linux now?!
crimson wigeon
It has always worked if you use xboxdrv (easy) or modify the xpad driver (not as easy)
wheat plume
Hmm, I have done neither of those things...
Does Ubuntu have something installed or setup by default to enable this?
Cause Ive not used it since before october like 3 years
crimson wigeon
No or maybe I don't know
wheat plume
ah, interesting
timid chasm
Would it even be worth upgrading a 1600 when a person has a 1060 3gb? Feels like any cpu upgrade would be a lateral move
vagrant marsh
a 1600? means you still own a 300 board right? i wouldnt upgrade it, unless you were willing to invest in a board upgrade as well.
it wouldnt hold you back by much, its still a good cpu. you can always invest in a better graphics card now and see a bigger improvement over upgrading the cpu.
ofcourse, the 3000 series being in stock nowhere doesnt really help the fact that upgrading your graphics card is nigh impossible.
timid chasm
I mean you can do a 3000 series on a 300 board but with a 1060 that wouldn't do much even though the cpu bump would be nice with a better gpu
ashen spindle
@fickle ore hope you got enough ram sticks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ
@reef patrol https://twitter.com/kopite7kimi/status/1325365489309081600 looks like you know if made the right choice regarding of ending up red/green
thick elk
Some interesting differences, especially if 2x single rank 16gb performs best.
I would have thought it to be a benefit of the extra bandwidth of dual rank.
ashen spindle
I think its from DR, as 2x16 should be DR sticks
the 4x8 are 4 SR in DC
unles I'm confusing myself again with that
thick elk
No there are actually sr 16gb sticks and he did quote wendell here claiming 2x 16gb single rank performs best.
Most 16gb sticks are dual rank however but some newer ones are single rank.
ashen spindle
oh right I overheard that
idk what they changed to make 16gb be SR so maybe that causes it to act like DR? since he didnt mention DR sticks they might not have any on hadn to test
thick elk
I am looking forward to some further testing / explanations.
ashen spindle
yup
thick elk
Now imagine buying an expensive 2x 8gb kit ahead of zen3...
ashen spindle
I'll be nice and would buy it for cheap from someone who would do so to hide the shame :p
reef patrol
Oof at another generation of nVidia cards with early deaths.
vagrant marsh
hmm?
timid chasm
That's so fucking fast though if they're killing it off themselves
reef patrol
And what's worse is - At least the 2000 series had decent stock.
People are going to be waiting forever for RMAs.
vagrant marsh
maybe the left over 2000 series will become 2650-2660's 😛
ashen spindle
no
vagrant marsh
entertain the thought, quin
ashen spindle
too unrealistic
zenith sonnet
Is my 2x16 GiB DR B-die still good?
fathom pasture
why does it say 3200 max?
(amd 5950x)
x570 boards can support in excess of 4000 mhz
ashen spindle
that doesnt say max
fathom pasture
"up to"
ashen spindle
that just what it's specced for
fathom pasture
ashen spindle
anything above counts as overclocking
same with a cpu boosting "up to " x but you can put it higher
fathom pasture
so does it matter?
ashen spindle
matter for what
fathom pasture
performance
ashen spindle
yes you can get more if you put it higher
fathom pasture
does it affect thermals
ashen spindle
barely
fathom pasture
why does it matter what it's specced for
ashen spindle
warranty, guaranteed support
zenith sonnet
Official support is JEDEC spec. And JEDEC specs for DDR4 ends at 3200 CL20/22/24 afaik
Anything with lower timing or faster clock is technically overclocked
fathom pasture
so it's just like with cpu overclocking?
ashen spindle
for the most part yes
fathom pasture
didn't know about that, thx
hard thicket
also looking for a wifi6 router for my wireless VR setup currently
cursive summit
Gl buddy
hard thicket
found an asus one for 160 bucks
cursive summit
My Reverb is prolly gonna ship in January/February at earliest
Oh boy and I really wanted a christmas gift 😄
ashen spindle
best wifi router is a lan cabel 
cursive summit
@hard thicket You have a Quest 2 or one of the Vive's?
hard thicket
quest 2
cursive summit
I was about to say, take me to the future
wheat plume
shudders facebook...
wheat plume
whats the difference between a router and gaming router?
cursive summit
It doesn't open to me, but from the product code
hard thicket
no idea
hard thicket
what kind of problems
cursive summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/gjuly6/asus_rtax92u_issue/
https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/e8dmvq/slow_wifi_asus_rtax92u_using_wifi_6_80211ax/
Amongst other things
Yeah I was about to buy it too but tbh, I don't trust ASUS anymore
hard thicket
ouch
guess the search continues
man i really dont want to pay 300 bucks for a router..
wheat plume
looks nervously in Asus GPU and Motherboard
cursive summit
There's this relatively well regarded website
hard thicket
that hurts
cursive summit
People take this list quite seriously
Maybe this will help
Also a ton of things like bandwidth charts, etc
hard thicket
so wifi 6 is out of reach so far
if you want reliability
i mean for VR it should be enough going wifi 5
cursive summit
If Quest 2 has an AX module then it'd benefit immensely
hard thicket
it does
but the internal decompression doesn't keep up with that speed
it's like 100mb/s ?
dont remember the exact value
it doesn't even utilize the full bandwidth of the Type C connection
cursive summit
Oh shit
hard thicket
i think the reverb will be the same in that case
cursive summit
Nope
hard thicket
shame
cursive summit
G2 I am getting isn't wireless
Like it's my first VR I ever had
And I heard it's the best VR you can buy rn
And it ain't that expensive
hard thicket
from the VR experience and visuals yes
the refresh rate aint like the index
but the visuals are top notch
cursive summit
For tracking I might get a pair of second hand lighthouses
My PC likely can't even utilize Index's 120Hz refresh probably
hard thicket
around the same range
hard thicket
no i meant even a 2060 does a wonderful job
but the g2 has a much higher resolution, so that might become a thing
cursive summit
With the 2100x2100 resolution I kinda doubt I'll get good framerates
cursive summit
HP lists it as "full resolution" card so I'm glad
Don't need to render at half and upscale
hard thicket
it's not comparable to the previous gen
cursive summit
My biggest well, concern
hard thicket
if you don't really focus on the sub pixels
you won't notice it
that's how good it is
cursive summit
Is my vision at short distances is really meh
So, I might just not be able to use the VR at all
Without glasses that is
cursive summit
HP's working on theirs
So I'll check em out when they are resdy
And I have the VR
hard thicket
sweet
cursive summit
Considering I still need to wait for at least a month or two
ashen spindle
just use your glasses, works on oculus/vive so probably on the reverb too
cursive summit
I don't wear glasses
ashen spindle
contacts?
misty pier
never seen the reason why you should wear glasses in vr
it should be clear if it's that close right?
ashen spindle
not if you are farsighted
cursive summit
I am farsighted
misty pier
i am nearsighted.. gotcha
cursive summit
My vision at up to maybe 20cm from my eyes is just a blurry ass mess
hard thicket
there are better solutions than wearing glasses, which can be super annoying with VR
hard thicket
yup
hard thicket
for 110 ????
cursive summit
Seems like a reputable seller
Check the desc
Apparently in german the seller calls himself a reseller
hard thicket
looks good tbh
cursive summit
Dunno the guy has a good rating and consider Ebay always sides with the buyer
What's not to like
I mean people buy shit and return empty boxes
That's how stupid Ebay is
There's another one of the same model for 99.95
hard thicket
yep the reason why i personally avoid ebay
except the seller is in near
like i can go and look at it
frozen anchor
Just got this new mouse yesterday and it's pretty much perfect fingertip mouse for me
40g also
frozen anchor
lmao no
its the cox cm600
only really released in korea right now so i had to import it to US
cursive summit
We do like small coxs here at Wooting
wheat plume
hehe
cursive summit
Lana knows
Which is kinda sad when you think about it
But hey we take what we can get
wheat plume
wheat plume
cursive summit
Is it radioactive?
reef patrol
I remember the name... but not the brand 😄
ashen spindle
for the most part the best AMD model you can buy
evga kingpin/galax HOF type of branding from them
sapphire has been amd only for most part iirc
hardy idol
@hardy idol If not, I can sell you my VIIs :p
@zenith sonnet https://tweakers.net/aanbod/2444600/amd-radeon-vii.html
Idk how soon you want to get rid of them or something
idk
but
just found an ad asking for one
zenith sonnet
So, 6900 XT AIB models after all?
Looks like it might be Q1 2021
Until I buy new cards
Because Noctua is slow af
hard thicket
has noctua been ever fast ?
zenith sonnet
They've been teasing these fans for years
hard thicket
the black A12x25 made its appearance 2 years ago nearly
yet here we are
hearthbroken
cursive summit
What was the last Toxic card from Sapphire
zenith sonnet
Some 390X I think?
zenith sonnet
Dunno why the 590 was called that, it was more of a x70 card
ashen spindle
dont think the marketing did it as much as the fact amd finally has a good card again
nobody makes an all out AiB model if the base is shit
cursive summit
Haven't they had good cards in terms of RDNA1?
zenith sonnet
Nah, AIBs want to make 6900XT models
Originally, AMD would have kept those to themselves
ashen spindle
decent price competetive cards maybe
but making a toxic there would be like making a 2070 kingpin edition, no point
zenith sonnet
I wouldn't equal a Toxic with a Kingpin I think
Kingpin models are extreme OC cards
cursive summit
Is there a point in getting a k|ngp|n card without the intent of OCing it?
zenith sonnet
Nope
hard thicket
nope
zenith sonnet
It's like buying one of those 1800$ motherboards
hard thicket
except you want to brag with it..
reef tundra
bragging rights
ashen spindle
I mean it's auto oc'
hard thicket
^
ashen spindle
d
ashen spindle
and comes with an AiO installed in the latest version so better cooling
hard thicket
but comes with a hefty premium price on it
ashen spindle
its the same reason why people buy a 3090/6900xt for gaming in the first place, bc they have the money
reef tundra
more cooling doesnt always translate well
as long as it is adequet
unless you aim for passive cooling
reef patrol
Not much point unless you also solder the cards to unlock voltages.
GPUs are so hardlocked now that custom watercooling only removes the noise.
reef patrol
Nothing a big triple fan cooler or AIO can't do tbh.
hard thicket
ehh, yeah if you ignore the noise caused by the most tripple fan coolers
which can be horrible
urban lynx
dont need to ignore the noise if i have ANC headphones that even entirely remove this damned church bells next door 
cursive summit
Is a 3600/2070S a good purchase anymore?
When you can 5600X/RTX 3070/RX6800 instead
ashen spindle
given that you probably dont pay launch price on those anymore, of course
reef patrol
I mean I -DID- say "noise" 😄
hard thicket
people on some other disords i've been managed to grab a 3700x for 200 bucks
including a 2080ti used for 550 bucks
good times
reef patrol
misty pier
yeah just get the new stuff
vagrant marsh
yea, i mean, you can get a 2080ti, or you can get a 3080 thats both more powerful and more power efficient.
ofcourse we both know you cant get a 3080
fickle ore
@ashen spindle Yeah I saw that, it's been known before. DR > SR at same bandwith/latency, the question is whether 4000/14-15cl SR beats a 3600/16 DR given equal price
2x16 gb (usually DR) with high bin is not cheap
ashen spindle
ye i just didnt expect that much
fickle ore
How much?
ashen spindle
8-10% sometimes
fickle ore
actually I watched it yesterday on mobile and thought to ask your opinion, if you had seen whether 4000/14-15 beats 3600/16 DR
^^
2x16gb 3600/16 is prob like 120-200$ while you can get 4400/19 kit for 120$ soo idk.. Yeah you get 16gb extra but if you ain't using that much whats the point?
fickle ore
Really kinda want to see benchmarks on 4000/14-15 SR vs 3600/16 DR, might send back my 4400/19 kit, get DR kit or buy 2nd kit of the patriots...
shouldnt 4x SR be same as 2x DR
ashen spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
fickle ore
actually good post on that youtube vid:
"apparently, it's not the "4x8GB" that helps the Zen3.
It's that using full "4-Ranks" (256-Bits of memory bandwitdh) will be optimal because of the memory cycles. It's something about allowing more cycle to start while more are finishing.
Ram sticks have ranks.
Most if not all 8GB sticks are Single Rank.
Which means if you remove the heat spreader, you will have all of the IC's on one side of the PCB.
1 stick of 8 chips on one side will requires 64-Bits of bandwidth. (single rank)
Using 2 sticks of Single Ranked RAM sticks will use 128-Bits of memory bandwidth.
When you use 4 sticks of SIngle Ranked RAM sticks, you'll fully utilize the 256-Bit bandwidth. More than that will overload/strain most CPU's memory controllers and you'll reach diminishing returns on CPU performance for trying to double your RAM. You may also limit your OC capabilities.
The "Sweet Spot" is 4 ranks of memory.
This CAN BE HAD with 2 sticks of RAM, as long as both sticks are Dual-Ranked (meaning there are chips on both sides of the PCB).
This is typically found in 16GB sticks. This is why people going for 32GB system memory may be in luck and reap these benefits with 2 sticks of 16GB Dual Ranked sticks. That will be a total of 4-Ranks (256-Bits)."
ashen spindle
yeah its from memory interleaving
its just surprising how much it matters here, and if 2x DR or so is the best option
hard thicket
decent dual rank memories are super expensive
fickle ore
:/
fickle ore
with 2x patriots I would end up paying 240$ which is not totally horrible
ashen spindle
hence if 4xSR is almost the same that might be the best cost effective option
ashen spindle
probably
fickle ore
fuck then I need to return tomahawk
ashen spindle
no probably as either works
fickle ore
fuck off zen and amd
hard thicket
in GN's video steve said that he couldn't even boot up at 1900 FCLK
so binning comes in play there
ashen spindle
I think every x570 is daisy?
fickle ore
Pretty much nearly everyone
maybe a few boards are t-topo
https://geizhals.eu/teamgroup-xtreem-8pack-edition-dimm-kit-32gb-txbd432g3600hc16aqc01-a1712928.html
what do you think about this kit?
Yeah I have no idea what to do now
ashen spindle
how much do you need, 16gb?
ashen spindle
could look for a good 4x4 or two 2x4 kits then
fickle ore
its either that teamgroup 8pack 4x8gb 3600/16 for 200€ or 2x patriot vipers at 120€ each
ashen spindle
is your chip already sent out? otherwise might as well just wait for more videos from wendel/gn/hub
ashen spindle
no if your cpu is not send out yet, wait on memory bc that will arrive sooner/just as fast
vagrant marsh
no, there are x570 boards that perform fairly bad.
ashen spindle
?
vagrant marsh
I think every x570 is daisy?
@ashen spindle or did i misinterpret something here
ashen spindle
probably
fickle ore
@ashen spindle feel like 250€ too much for 32gb?
vagrant marsh
i think you can get 2x16 3200 kits for only 150 or so
fair gull
hm... thats 2 big warhammer figurines i wouldnt spend that on ram
fair gull
ashen spindle
yeah but 3200 kits arent 4000 kits
vagrant marsh
ah, he is searching for 4000 kits specifically?
ashen spindle
he wants DR instead of his SR setup
vagrant marsh
explain me what dr and sr means 😅
fickle ore
its 4400/19 kit
fair gull
and deluxe rare
ashen spindle
not if its very lose timings
fickle ore
@fair gull
crimson wigeon
So wait I haven't been keeping up does this mean I screw myself if I go for 32gigs with 2 sticks (to potentially step up to 64 at a later date)?
fair gull
bruh i dont buy for mhz
i only want the amount
i couldnt give less shits if its 3200 or 4000
fickle ore
@crimson wigeon no
vagrant marsh
@crimson wigeon atm, 16gb is enough for just regular gaming. 32gb isnt really neccesary. only very unoptimized games like escape from tarkov ever use more than 10gb of memory
crimson wigeon
Doing more than just gaming here
fair gull
vagrant marsh
well, depending on whatever you do, you can do 4x16gb
fair gull
not even a game running
ashen spindle
basically: Memory controller on Zen3 likes interleaving more than even zen2
fair gull
14gb already gone
vagrant marsh
14gb is gone while idle?
ashen spindle
thats why we are waiting to see if 2x DR or 4x SR is better etc.
vagrant marsh
doesnt seem like idle to me
fair gull
just browser, discord, vsc and some other shit open
vagrant marsh
vagrant marsh
fair gull
just some browsing
nothing else
might be me keeping 300k files in google drive in cache tho
cause i have gdrive open rn
vagrant marsh
or having 100 tabs open in firefox
fair gull
not 100
only 30
or so
but i have 335k files cached
the site also lags very nicely
vagrant marsh
i got no idea dude 😆
vagrant marsh
me too, but i use electricity to weld, not to run computers with other than gaming :p
fickle ore
@ashen spindle just tell me whether to return or get new kit bro im literally crying here ;_________;
ashen spindle
your kit is fine lol
fickle ore
:-<
vagrant marsh
i bet ya a server will use alot more power than my welding machine though
fair gull
my server idles at 150watts
idk what server u run but they are rather efficient if idling
under load sure
ashen spindle
test your fps once you get it and see how much it lags behind to any reviewers results
and decide if its wort getting a second kit
fickle ore
yeah I guess
vagrant marsh
the difference running 4x8 or 2x8 is usually around 10 fps.
ashen spindle
no
vagrant marsh
not talking about gaming? ok
ashen spindle
no gaming
fickle ore
nobody ever tests anything properly..
ashen spindle
lol toms has beena joke for a long time now
fickle ore
yeah
ashen spindle
depends
fickle ore
why not include a freaking 3800/14 SR for example to see what is better?
What will I do with this information literally not worth anything
ashen spindle
AT would probably the best if they could clone Ian and give him double office room lmao
thick elk
Andrei is pretty good as well.
ashen spindle
tru
thick elk
But yea tomshardware has been a shell of it's former glory for quite some time now. I doubt most remember their glory days.
ashen spindle
well, tomshardware germany is fine again bc Igor bought the domain back and it directs to his now iirc
:p
thick elk
While I could technically read german, it's too much effort for me so I usually don't read igor's articles.
thick elk
I thought he only had a part in english
ashen spindle
articles are usually written in both
thick elk
Ah
cursive summit
Fam I am so underwhelmed
My wife needs a new laptop and she likes small ones
For, obvious reasons
I was like, let's go for this 2k XPS 13
vagrant marsh
she likes small ones, hu?
cursive summit
Ice lake, shit like that
Touch screen, fully folding
Awesome thing
Well here's the fucking thing
It's not a 2 in 1 model
No touchscreen, no tablet mode
2k euros
That's good or shite?
It honestly sounds really shite
fickle ore
@ashen spindle So DR in every test?
vagrant marsh
before you continue typing, try typing in entire sections. you take up alot of screen with just a few sentences if you only type 3 words at a time.
zenith sonnet
Guess I was right to buy the memory I bought
ashen spindle
should be DR ye